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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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If a woman is convicted of making a false allegation of rape, rare but it has happened, should she ever work again in her line of work?
Should there be a "lynch mob" against her.
Hypothetically of course. |
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By *adybee77Woman
over a year ago
MAMOBA, miles and miles of bugger all (Aberdeenshire) |
There have been cases where women have been prosecuted for wrongful accusations, and I know up here, one lady certainly lost her job, and her professional reputation over it |
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But what if she WAS really a victim and her attacker had been found not guilty due to, I don't know, lack of evidence, he got someone to be an alibi or she was accused of being d*unk or whatever other reasons get used not to prosecute?
Similar thing for men who are accused who are innocent... How do you really know? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In answer to OP's question, and I'm guessing this has been prompted by the current media storm over this footballer, I would say that it would really depend on her line of work.
I was having a debate on the book of faces this afternoon with a friend over this whole business and I think that the general consensus is that, as far as the particular individual is concerned, it's much more than just a job. He is seen by many as a role model for young men, and that is why there has been so much fuss over it.
I would therefore imagine that if a woman was prosecuted for making false allegations of rape, if she were in a position of influence to young women then there might be similar concerns.
I've probably beaten about the bush a bit, but I hope you get what I mean  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There have been cases where women have been prosecuted for wrongful accusations, and I know up here, one lady certainly lost her job, and her professional reputation over it "
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There was a woman in the US who falsely accused an American Footballer of raping her. He ended up serving a 5 year prison sentence and lost scholarships and it basically ruined his life. She was caught out after admitting on a hidden camera that she has lied. She was ordered to pay $2.7 million in damages. $1 million to pay back a payout she got and the other $1.7 million in damages.
Fair play to the courts to impose that. Lies of that extent can completely ruin lives and it puts a bad taste in those victims who have been genuinely sexually assaulted. People should face the consequences of their actions |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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It depends on the job.
I don't think anyone is saying no convicted rapist who has served their time should never be allowed to work again so the same should apply to anyone making false rape accusations.
There are some jobs and roles that should not be open to either convicted rapists or false accusers though. |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
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God the sooner these Ched fucking Evans type threads disappear the fucking better! Each case is individual and should be treated as just that! There is no hypothetical about it! And yes women do get convicted for false accusations! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I was on a jury at the begining of December.The guy was accused among other things of sexual assault.It was plainly obvious that the guy didn't do it.He had to wait 16 months for it to go to trial,he had that hanging over his head for that long,his greatest fear was losing his wife and then his reputation.
The accuser,should have been charged with false allegation but we will never know if the accused made a complaint against her,it's doubtful that he would have.If it was me,I would bide my time for a few yrs,keep her monitored by a private investigator and then at some stage in the future exact revenge. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There was a woman in the US who falsely accused an American Footballer of raping her. He ended up serving a 5 year prison sentence and lost scholarships and it basically ruined his life. She was caught out after admitting on a hidden camera that she has lied. She was ordered to pay $2.7 million in damages. $1 million to pay back a payout she got and the other $1.7 million in damages.
Fair play to the courts to impose that. Lies of that extent can completely ruin lives and it puts a bad taste in those victims who have been genuinely sexually assaulted. People should face the consequences of their actions "
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"There was a woman in the US who falsely accused an American Footballer of raping her. He ended up serving a 5 year prison sentence and lost scholarships and it basically ruined his life. She was caught out after admitting on a hidden camera that she has lied. She was ordered to pay $2.7 million in damages. $1 million to pay back a payout she got and the other $1.7 million in damages.
Fair play to the courts to impose that. Lies of that extent can completely ruin lives and it puts a bad taste in those victims who have been genuinely sexually assaulted. People should face the consequences of their actions
Did she ask for time to pay? "
I don't know I don't care don't bloody lie about something that could potentially fuck someone's life up |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It depends on the job.
I don't think anyone is saying no convicted rapist who has served their time should never be allowed to work again so the same should apply to anyone making false rape accusations.
There are some jobs and roles that should not be open to either convicted rapists or false accusers though."
Exactly this ^^ |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In answer to OP's question, and I'm guessing this has been prompted by the current media storm over this footballer, I would say that it would really depend on her line of work.
I was having a debate on the book of faces this afternoon with a friend over this whole business and I think that the general consensus is that, as far as the particular individual is concerned, it's much more than just a job. He is seen by many as a role model for young men, and that is why there has been so much fuss over it.
I would therefore imagine that if a woman was prosecuted for making false allegations of rape, if she were in a position of influence to young women then there might be similar concerns.
I've probably beaten about the bush a bit, but I hope you get what I mean "
he can't be talking about the footballer or it would not be a false accusation !!! He was found guilty of rape |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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A few years ago a chap down here in Portsmouth was accused of rape.
He was a gas engineer if I remember.
His name was immediately plastered all over the paper's. Hers was not.
He lost his job wife family, everything and was potentially going to jail.
She then admitted she made it up and had Infact consented.
By this point the damage was done.
As far as I am aware she was not named, ever.
He was interviewed in local paper and explained that although he was never charged and totally innocent, he still gets abuse from people and could not get a job.
Family won't talk to him.
Very sad indeed.
However I doubt that all the pain and suffering that he has gone through, would never come close to what a genuine rape victim would have to go through.
My point is the punishment should fit the crime. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There was a woman in the US who falsely accused an American Footballer of raping her. He ended up serving a 5 year prison sentence and lost scholarships and it basically ruined his life. She was caught out after admitting on a hidden camera that she has lied. She was ordered to pay $2.7 million in damages. $1 million to pay back a payout she got and the other $1.7 million in damages.
Fair play to the courts to impose that. Lies of that extent can completely ruin lives and it puts a bad taste in those victims who have been genuinely sexually assaulted. People should face the consequences of their actions
Did she ask for time to pay?
I don't know I don't care don't bloody lie about something that could potentially fuck someone's life up "
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There is always that element of doubt with these sorts of cases too. Woman gets d*unk, feels a bit frisky and takes a random bloke home for sex. They have a great night, but she wakes up in the morning thinking "shit what if my boyfriend finds out what I did last night" so what does she do. She says she was raped. The fact she had d*unk something means that in the eyes of the law the man is clearly guilty of rape. Sometimes it's just not fair.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying this happens in every case and I fully believe that a rapist should get everything the judge throws at them. But sometimes I do wonder whether the guy really is a rapist or just the victim of a woman who regrets her actions the following morning |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't know I don't care don't bloody lie about something that could potentially fuck someone's life up "
But the sad fact is that people do.
I was falsely accused by my ex of domestic abuse. (when in turth it was the other way around - the Police told me that it is common for abusers to claim to be victims)
First she made an application for a non-molestation order, citing certain allegations.
I informed her solicitor that I refuted the allegations but was prepared to make an Undertaking to the court to stay away from her for 12 months (why on earth would I want to go anywhere near her anyway!?!) I also informed them that if that was not acceptable then I would contest the allegations fully.
When I submitted my application regarding my children, she again made similar allegations (she even had me arrested at one point, but unsurprisingly, after questioning the Police took no further action as they could tell it was all BS). During the proceedings her legal team asked for a fact finding hearing - which my team didn't think was necessary but we went along with it.
Well, it backfired on her as the Judge found that she was the main aggressor in the relationship.
I've always maintained that if you tell a lie, be prepared to get found out. |
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If we are to look at it from other perspective of what if she wasn't found guilty of lying? That means she's psychologically, and emotional killed her victim even before the rot of the law comes into play. I wouldn't support lynching anyone but in this case a jail term for her would be the best idea for tying to blackmail someone and waste the government's resources of the case is to be investigated. High profile job? FIRE HER ASS! Every other employer should fire as well as you wouldn't want such person working for you. |
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"I don't know I don't care don't bloody lie about something that could potentially fuck someone's life up
But the sad fact is that people do.
I was falsely accused by my ex of domestic abuse. (when in turth it was the other way around - the Police told me that it is common for abusers to claim to be victims)
First she made an application for a non-molestation order, citing certain allegations.
I informed her solicitor that I refuted the allegations but was prepared to make an Undertaking to the court to stay away from her for 12 months (why on earth would I want to go anywhere near her anyway!?!) I also informed them that if that was not acceptable then I would contest the allegations fully.
When I submitted my application regarding my children, she again made similar allegations (she even had me arrested at one point, but unsurprisingly, after questioning the Police took no further action as they could tell it was all BS). During the proceedings her legal team asked for a fact finding hearing - which my team didn't think was necessary but we went along with it.
Well, it backfired on her as the Judge found that she was the main aggressor in the relationship.
I've always maintained that if you tell a lie, be prepared to get found out. "
People lie about being the victim of DV it's a sad fact but it's actually a really common occurrence. I'm glad you got the situation sorted |
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If a woman is convicted of making a false allegation of rape, rare but it has happened, should she ever work again in her line of work?
Should there be a "lynch mob" against her.
Hypothetically of course."
I think each case would be judged on its merits, though my understanding is that often the courts, and women's groups, look harshly on this. Every false rape allegation makes it harder for real victims of rape to be believed and get the justice they deserve.
Hypothetically speaking, if it were, for example, shown that her actions were premeditated for monetary gain, rather than post-coital regret, and/or if it were to come out that she had already made allegations against rugby players, which had proved false, then who knows...
Perhaps we will just have to let the courts do their work.
Mr ddc |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I can imagine it must be very very hard for a lady to get a jury to believe she was raped and not just had consensual sex. It would take a lot of proving So when a guy does get convicted. I tend to believe he must of done it. Because they must have a lot more evidence then just her say so |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Op do you feel like he should be allowed to play football again then and be a role model to young kids?
Wrong thread we are talking about women that lie about being sexually assaulted "
I was asking the guy who started the thread. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What angers me is women who ARE victims of rape are put off coming forward because of the way trials can go. "
But what makes it even worse in my eyes, is the women (or men) that falsely accuse someone of raping them- because that then sows a seed of doubt that the person may be lying in this case too. Fucking disgusting. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Op do you feel like he should be allowed to play football again then and be a role model to young kids?
Wrong thread we are talking about women that lie about being sexually assaulted
I was asking the guy who started the thread. "
Absolutely i do, yes.
I doubt that he is such a role model as many would believe him to be. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Op do you feel like he should be allowed to play football again then and be a role model to young kids?
Wrong thread we are talking about women that lie about being sexually assaulted
I was asking the guy who started the thread.
Absolutely i do, yes.
I doubt that he is such a role model as many would believe him to be. "
I thought you would. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Op do you feel like he should be allowed to play football again then and be a role model to young kids?
Wrong thread we are talking about women that lie about being sexually assaulted
I was asking the guy who started the thread.
Absolutely i do, yes.
I doubt that he is such a role model as many would believe him to be.
I thought you would. "
Why would i see him as a role model for young children, footballing or not?
Far, far better people out there to aspire to.
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By *uper_gMan
over a year ago
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A friend of mine was accused and arrested for rape. A total false allegation, he did sleep with her but she gave full concent. Police were at his door the monday morning after the weekend it happened, anyways long story short, she didnt realise that she also allowed him to video a certain act on his phone, which he used in his defence showing her more then willing. All charges got dropped and nothing more happen to her! She should of got done for wasting police time. Dunno why she even went to the police in the first place |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"But what if she WAS really a victim and her attacker had been found not guilty due to, I don't know, lack of evidence, he got someone to be an alibi or she was accused of being d*unk or whatever other reasons get used not to prosecute?
Similar thing for men who are accused who are innocent... How do you really know?"
There is a difference between lack of evidence and evidence that she has made the whole thing up!!
There must be overwhelming evidence to convict a girl of falsifying rape and if the evidence is there then they should be prosecuted because imagine the pain it caused the man and his family! |
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By *uper_gMan
over a year ago
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"But what if she WAS really a victim and her attacker had been found not guilty due to, I don't know, lack of evidence, he got someone to be an alibi or she was accused of being d*unk or whatever other reasons get used not to prosecute?
Similar thing for men who are accused who are innocent... How do you really know?
There is a difference between lack of evidence and evidence that she has made the whole thing up!!
There must be overwhelming evidence to convict a girl of falsifying rape and if the evidence is there then they should be prosecuted because imagine the pain it caused the man and his family!"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Op do you feel like he should be allowed to play football again then and be a role model to young kids?
Wrong thread we are talking about women that lie about being sexually assaulted
I was asking the guy who started the thread.
Absolutely i do, yes.
I doubt that he is such a role model as many would believe him to be.
I thought you would.
Why would i see him as a role model for young children, footballing or not?
Far, far better people out there to aspire to.
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She asked "Op do you feel like he should be allowed to play football again then and be a role model to young kids?" - you said yes (he should be a role model).
But then your later post is the opposite, and you say you don't think he should be a role model.
Confusing. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Op do you feel like he should be allowed to play football again then and be a role model to young kids?
Wrong thread we are talking about women that lie about being sexually assaulted
I was asking the guy who started the thread.
Absolutely i do, yes.
I doubt that he is such a role model as many would believe him to be.
I thought you would.
Why would i see him as a role model for young children, footballing or not?
Far, far better people out there to aspire to.
She asked "Op do you feel like he should be allowed to play football again then and be a role model to young kids?" - you said yes (he should be a role model).
But then your later post is the opposite, and you say you don't think he should be a role model.
Confusing."
To clarify :
The "absolutely i do , yes" applies only to the "should he be allowed to play football again" aprt of the question. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I sat on a jury on a rape case three years or so ago. It was extremely difficult in so many ways. Evidence suggested both guilty and not guilty, it was so easily explained why certain evidence was present. In the end, the evidence became a secondary factor as he said/ she said is no basis for conviction. Debate the subject, but please understand how difficult and emotive this subject is. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What angers me is women who ARE victims of rape are put off coming forward because of the way trials can go.
But what makes it even worse in my eyes, is the women (or men) that falsely accuse someone of raping them- because that then sows a seed of doubt that the person may be lying in this case too. Fucking disgusting."
That's what I mean also. |
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"But what if she WAS really a victim and her attacker had been found not guilty due to, I don't know, lack of evidence, he got someone to be an alibi or she was accused of being d*unk or whatever other reasons get used not to prosecute?
Similar thing for men who are accused who are innocent... How do you really know?
There is a difference between lack of evidence and evidence that she has made the whole thing up!!
There must be overwhelming evidence to convict a girl of falsifying rape and if the evidence is there then they should be prosecuted because imagine the pain it caused the man and his family!"
I agree...if there is SOLID evidence that he/she has lied (an admission, diary entry, bragging text, ect), rather than her "attacker" simply being found not guilty. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If it was proved beyond all doubt that her original accusation was simply motivated by malice or greed she should be kicked in the fud with a size 10 Doc Martin .....    |
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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago
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"There was a woman in the US who falsely accused an American Footballer of raping her. He ended up serving a 5 year prison sentence and lost scholarships and it basically ruined his life. She was caught out after admitting on a hidden camera that she has lied. She was ordered to pay $2.7 million in damages. $1 million to pay back a payout she got and the other $1.7 million in damages.
Fair play to the courts to impose that. Lies of that extent can completely ruin lives and it puts a bad taste in those victims who have been genuinely sexually assaulted. People should face the consequences of their actions "
$$$$2-7 million damages??
Tell you what,it beats working init? |
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"There was a woman in the US who falsely accused an American Footballer of raping her. He ended up serving a 5 year prison sentence and lost scholarships and it basically ruined his life. She was caught out after admitting on a hidden camera that she has lied. She was ordered to pay $2.7 million in damages. $1 million to pay back a payout she got and the other $1.7 million in damages.
Fair play to the courts to impose that. Lies of that extent can completely ruin lives and it puts a bad taste in those victims who have been genuinely sexually assaulted. People should face the consequences of their actions
$$$$2-7 million damages??
Tell you what,it beats working init?"
The woman didn't get the damages the bloke was and let's face it he couldn't work as he was serving a 5 year sentence for a crine he DIDNT do its a fair payout for him |
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