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"Sadly it is looking increasingly like free speech and Islam are totally incompatible..... Journalists in Jail in Egypt too. Where does it go from here?" I remember as a kid they put a 'fatwa' on 'Salmon Rushdies' head didnt they? Its not a new thing, plus there was that Danish magazine or newspaper thingy. | |||
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"Either Islam is not the peace loving religion that many on here would let you believe or there just really unlucky in attracting the idiot minority!."  | |||
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"The concept of Free Speech is laughable in relation to some religions, which in themselves are ridiculas concepts of social control. Woe betide those who dare make fun!! " | |||
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"Don't know it's an Islamic Terrorist group yet. But the odds on it not being wouldn't be very favourable. Just shows how we are ALL very vulnerable to atrocity. The French are active participants in the military action against ISIS. The extremists would consider the attack in France to be part of a wider campaign. " This is a copy/paste from bbc The radical Islamic State group threatened to attack France minutes before Hebdo tweeted a satirical cartoon of the extremist group's leader giving New Year's wishes, AP says. Plus they were shouting the Allah Akbar thing | |||
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"The publication named the Prophet Muhammed as it's editor in Chief as a spoof comment in 2011. Recently they have published articles critical of Islam. Freedom of speech is a fundamental freedom in the West. Similarly, no one has the right not to be offended of their beliefs questioned." the ironic thing is that the magazine probably went after Catholicism and Judeaism as much as it did Islam and IS..... the fact they were going after people by name and asking who and where there were is as chilling.... | |||
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"This is facism, with an Islamic face. All moderate Muslims in the UK and the world over should be shouting from the rooftops 'not in my name'!" They are. A 5 second search of google found a lot against it. | |||
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"This is facism, with an Islamic face. All moderate Muslims in the UK and the world over should be shouting from the rooftops 'not in my name'! They are. A 5 second search of google found a lot against it. " | |||
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"This is facism, with an Islamic face. All moderate Muslims in the UK and the world over should be shouting from the rooftops 'not in my name'!"
Moderate Muslims must surely find a way of doing more.
All non Muslim's should also not accept that these murdering extremists represent Islam. | |||
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"Tragic. I hope these extremists are caught and brought to justice. " this.. | |||
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"How long b4 those bastards attac us It is not religion that sanctions this They hide behind religion, SCUMBAGS ALL OF THEM Hope the police them in cold blood" All of them???? | |||
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"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad. Turn them over to the police and security services." And the chances of this happening are........? | |||
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"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad. Turn them over to the police and security services. And the chances of this happening are........?" They aren't part of the everday Muslim community just as serial killers aren't everyday people. | |||
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" It is not religion that sanctions this They hide behind religion, "
I completely agree with this part of your post. | |||
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"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad. Turn them over to the police and security services. And the chances of this happening are........? They aren't part of the everday Muslim community just as serial killers aren't everyday people." Not so, they're not completely separate . At some stage they will have been in mainstream mosques, if they're not currently. | |||
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"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad. Turn them over to the police and security services. And the chances of this happening are........?" It is happening. Parents have informed on their children. | |||
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"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad. Turn them over to the police and security services. And the chances of this happening are........?" its happened over her already, not sure on the numbers etc.. agree that more needs to be done to prevent people becoming radicalised where such action are deemed acceptable.. | |||
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"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad. Turn them over to the police and security services. And the chances of this happening are........? It is happening. Parents have informed on their children. " Think back to early DEC with that court case in the uk. A few lads returned from Syria thinking 'Oh shit, this isnt what we thought' the parents shipped them to the police, taken to court, 8 years. The parents of one said 'they wished they kept their mouths shut'. | |||
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I am saddened to know this | |||
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"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad. Turn them over to the police and security services. And the chances of this happening are........? They aren't part of the everyday Muslim community just as serial killers aren't everyday people. Not so, they're not completely separate . At some stage they will have been in mainstream mosques, if they're not currently." which if they're intent on hiding their extremist beliefs means they will just be one of the congregation.. like sitting on a packed tube train and looking at the other normal folks and trying to suss which one is abusing their child or something.. | |||
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"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad. Turn them over to the police and security services. And the chances of this happening are........? They aren't part of the everday Muslim community just as serial killers aren't everyday people. Not so, they're not completely separate . At some stage they will have been in mainstream mosques, if they're not currently." Just as burglars,conmen,kilkers,rapists went to schools in your area....people don't "grass" them ? Those who have knowledge of them condone the actions and they are the minority. | |||
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" It is not religion that sanctions this They hide behind religion,
I completely agree with this part of your post.". Yes but do you not think Muslims must look at Islam and wonder why there attracting so many crazy twats?... | |||
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"I see it like football hoolies. They have nothing to do with football even though its in the name. These fucking mongs have nothing to do with Islam or religion. They just attach themselves to the name." A good analogy. The problem with extremists is that they believe that their _iew on whatever they follow is valid. It is not until the actual validity of their _iew is questioned and then dismantled by more moderate versions of their own beliefs that extremism is conquered. If a complete outsider tries to do it, it is seen as an attack on their whole belief system. It can perversely have the opposite effect by driving moderates towards extremism. Moderates hold the key to dismantling the validity that is the core for these extremists to justify their criminal acts. Moderates are proactively trying, but they must do more. | |||
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" It is not religion that sanctions this They hide behind religion,
I completely agree with this part of your post..
Yes but do you not think Muslims must look at Islam and wonder why there attracting so many crazy twats?..."Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.  | |||
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"Barbaric cowardly attack on freedom of speech..." | |||
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"I've been following this assidiously for many personal reasons. One very important one being...is my relative alive!!! Still waiting to hear!! Amongst the people I talked to one young person said....this madness will not end in my lifetime....
I am saddened to know this" Bambi, my thoughts are with you I hope you hear good news of your relative. x | |||
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" Yes but do you not think Muslims must look at Islam and wonder why there attracting so many crazy twats?..." The American abortion physician George Tiller, who performed late-term abortions, was murdered by Scott Roeder. Tiller was shot dead during a Sunday morning service at his church where he was serving as an usher. Roeder, a Christian extremist, went on to fully admit this atrocity. Do you think Christians must look at Christianity and wonder why their attracting so many crazy people? | |||
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" Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims. "I don't think any religion, organisation or belief has a monopoly on causing nastiness. | |||
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"I've been following this assidiously for many personal reasons. One very important one being...is my relative alive!!! Still waiting to hear!! Amongst the people I talked to one young person said....this madness will not end in my lifetime....
I am saddened to know this"Bon courage Bambi, j'espere que tu auras vite de bonnes nouvelles. C'est une triste affaire x | |||
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" Yes but do you not think Muslims must look at Islam and wonder why there attracting so many crazy twats?... The American abortion physician George Tiller, who performed late-term abortions, was murdered by Scott Roeder. Tiller was shot dead during a Sunday morning service at his church where he was serving as an usher. Roeder, a Christian extremist, went on to fully admit this atrocity. Do you think Christians must look at Christianity and wonder why their attracting so many crazy people?" .Your obviously correct all religions attract nutters(personally I see their attraction).... But there's no getting away from the fact that Islam seems to attract the vast majority of extremists.. Just wondered why you thought they were attracted to such a peaceful religion. | |||
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" Yes but do you not think Muslims must look at Islam and wonder why there attracting so many crazy twats?... The American abortion physician George Tiller, who performed late-term abortions, was murdered by Scott Roeder. Tiller was shot dead during a Sunday morning service at his church where he was serving as an usher. Roeder, a Christian extremist, went on to fully admit this atrocity. Do you think Christians must look at Christianity and wonder why their attracting so many crazy people?" Very rare compared to muslims though isn't it. | |||
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" Yes but do you not think Muslims must look at Islam and wonder why there attracting so many crazy twats?... The American abortion physician George Tiller, who performed late-term abortions, was murdered by Scott Roeder. Tiller was shot dead during a Sunday morning service at his church where he was serving as an usher. Roeder, a Christian extremist, went on to fully admit this atrocity. Do you think Christians must look at Christianity and wonder why their attracting so many crazy people?.Your obviously correct all religions attract nutters(personally I see their attraction).... But there's no getting away from the fact that Islam seems to attract the vast majority of extremists.. Just wondered why you thought they were attracted to such a peaceful religion." Yes it does make you wonder doesn't it. | |||
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" Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.
I don't think any religion, organisation or belief has a monopoly on causing nastiness. "Depends what you mean by nastiness though doesn't it.  | |||
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" Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims. "Buddhist monks have reportedly been murdering Muslims in Myanmar. Buddhist mobs have been murdering muslims in sectarian attacks in Burma. Open your eyes. The problem is extremists not Islam, Christianity, Buddhists or any other religion. Religions just provide extremists with an excuse. | |||
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" Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.
Buddhist monks have reportedly been murdering Muslims in Myanmar.
Buddhist mobs have been murdering muslims in sectarian attacks in Burma.
Open your eyes. The problem is extremists not Islam, Christianity, Buddhists or any other religion.
Religions just provide extremists with an excuse." | |||
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" Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.
Buddhist monks have reportedly been murdering Muslims in Myanmar.
Buddhist mobs have been murdering muslims in sectarian attacks in Burma.
Open your eyes. The problem is extremists not Islam, Christianity, Buddhists or any other religion.
Religions just provide extremists with an excuse."And why do you think they have been murdering muslims. | |||
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" Bambi, my thoughts are with you I hope you hear good news of your relative. x" | |||
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"Remember that Christians were just as bad in the 16th century" Oh that makes it all right then. | |||
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"Remember that Christians were just as bad in the 16th century" ....... and the old testament isn't really a book of "sweetness and light"..... its actually rather vengeful.... so as blackspice says, every religion has its nuts that take it beyond the pale.... | |||
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"Remember that Christians were just as bad in the 16th century" And the Romans were real fuckers 2000 years ago | |||
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"Remember that Christians were just as bad in the 16th century ....... and the old testament isn't really a book of "sweetness and light"..... its actually rather vengeful.... so as blackspice says, every religion has its nuts that take it beyond the pale...." . Oh exactly which religion uses the old testament these days again! | |||
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"Remember that Christians were just as bad in the 16th century And the Romans were real fuckers 2000 years ago " | |||
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"Remember that Christians were just as bad in the 16th century ....... and the old testament isn't really a book of "sweetness and light"..... its actually rather vengeful.... so as blackspice says, every religion has its nuts that take it beyond the pale..... Oh exactly which religion uses the old testament these days again!" | |||
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" Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.
Buddhist monks have reportedly been murdering Muslims in Myanmar.
Buddhist mobs have been murdering muslims in sectarian attacks in Burma.
Open your eyes. The problem is extremists not Islam, Christianity, Buddhists or any other religion.
Religions just provide extremists with an excuse.
And why do you think they have been murdering muslims. "The struggling economy leading to some looking for scapegoats, racism and that some Buddhists see Rohingya Muslims as being illegal immigrants. Just some of the reasons. | |||
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" Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.
Buddhist monks have reportedly been murdering Muslims in Myanmar.
Buddhist mobs have been murdering muslims in sectarian attacks in Burma.
Open your eyes. The problem is extremists not Islam, Christianity, Buddhists or any other religion.
Religions just provide extremists with an excuse.". The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get stuck in that rut and fail to see the facts in front of you (I've been there myself). No other religion attracts the volume of extremists willing to go to any lengths like Islam does. It's a fundamentally trouble one dating back longer than Christianity without there modernists revisions... It has the chinks that extremists love to get their finger nails into and pull!. The Qur'an needs a re-right just like the old testament had to. Until Islam examines itself and lays to bed some fundamental prejudices of their own we will be here slagging them off/apologising (depending on your personal tendencies) forever. | |||
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" Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.
Buddhist monks have reportedly been murdering Muslims in Myanmar.
Buddhist mobs have been murdering muslims in sectarian attacks in Burma.
Open your eyes. The problem is extremists not Islam, Christianity, Buddhists or any other religion.
Religions just provide extremists with an excuse..
The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get stuck in that rut and fail to see the facts in front of you (I've been there myself).
No other religion attracts the volume of extremists willing to go to any lengths like Islam does.
It's a fundamentally trouble one dating back longer than Christianity without there modernists revisions... It has the chinks that extremists love to get their finger nails into and pull!.
The Qur'an needs a re-right just like the old testament had to.
Until Islam examines itself and lays to bed some fundamental prejudices of their own we will be here slagging them off/apologising (depending on your personal tendencies) forever." | |||
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"This outrage is really an attack on us all. For all of us on Fab, don't think our freedoms to live as we see fit are not under threat, (ok maybe somewhere down the line) if we allow the erosion of free speech. We should all buy the next copy of Charlie Hebdo, if there is one, and I really hope there is, even if we don't speak French!" | |||
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"This outrage is really an attack on us all. For all of us on Fab, don't think our freedoms to live as we see fit are not under threat, (ok maybe somewhere down the line) if we allow the erosion of free speech. We should all buy the next copy of Charlie Hebdo, if there is one, and I really hope there is, even if we don't speak French!" . Altogether now. The prophet Mohammed is a tit! | |||
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" Ive just seen on liveleak the uncensored video clip where they execute a police officer lying injured in the street. absolute scum I hope they die an extremely slow and painful death" The dirty fucking bastards, didnt even think twice. | |||
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" Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.
Buddhist monks have reportedly been murdering Muslims in Myanmar.
Buddhist mobs have been murdering muslims in sectarian attacks in Burma.
Open your eyes. The problem is extremists not Islam, Christianity, Buddhists or any other religion.
Religions just provide extremists with an excuse." | |||
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" The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get..... " Sexy-bum, please explain this statement if you in any way are referring to me. You've written it in response to one of my posts. On face value I find it offensive. | |||
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" Your obviously correct all religions attract nutters(personally I see their attraction).... But there's no getting away from the fact that Islam seems to attract the vast majority of extremists.. Just wondered why you thought they were attracted to such a peaceful religion." "Gott Mit Uns" means God With Us and was on Nazi soldiers belt buckles in WW2. Most members of the German Nazis Party were Christian. There were loads of them and they were linked to 'such a peaceful religion'. People with extreme ideology use religion as an excuse, tragically it's always been the way. | |||
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" the french far right parties are already popular in many regions ....just watch their popularity rise even more now .... U gotta feel for the normal muslims who merely want to live a decent life in france, minding their own business.... Seems to me these nutjobs hurt their own people in the name of their own religion.... I just dont get it....maybe im just a bit thick.... "The Moderate Muslims are the first victims of what is after all really a Muslim civil war | |||
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" Do you think Christians must look at Christianity and wonder why their attracting so many crazy people? Very rare compared to muslims though isn't it. "President George Bush, a born again Christian, said that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. How do you think Muslims feel when they hear a Christian World leader saying things like that? Do you have any idea of how many Muslims have died as a result of his decision? Attacking, invading or killing in the name of one's 'God' is not unique to Islam. We must isolate the extremists not the religion. | |||
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" Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.
Buddhist monks have reportedly been murdering Muslims in Myanmar.
Buddhist mobs have been murdering muslims in sectarian attacks in Burma.
Open your eyes. The problem is extremists not Islam, Christianity, Buddhists or any other religion.
Religions just provide extremists with an excuse." | |||
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"Agree completely The tragedy is that God/Allah does not exist and is just a product of humankind's imagination" For social control.... | |||
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"Agree completely The tragedy is that God/Allah does not exist and is just a product of humankind's imagination For social control...." Some folk are easily led . | |||
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" Your obviously correct all religions attract nutters(personally I see their attraction).... But there's no getting away from the fact that Islam seems to attract the vast majority of extremists.. Just wondered why you thought they were attracted to such a peaceful religion. "Gott Mit Uns" means God With Us and was on Nazi soldiers belt buckles in WW2. Most members of the German Nazis Party were Christian. There were loads of them and they were linked to 'such a peaceful religion'. People with extreme ideology use religion as an excuse, tragically it's always been the way." Well said. We couldn't agree more. | |||
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" The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get..... Sexy-bum, please explain this statement if you in any way are referring to me. You've written it in response to one of my posts. On face value I find it offensive. " .. Simple your stand against Islam extremism is always to apologise for the tiny minority and to always and rightly point out that it's not the majority of Muslims, it's a noble stance against the voices of the right wing that would take us down a dark path. But at the same time it just stops you seeing the facts for what they are. without being racist or prejudiced Islam needs to confront it's own prejudices it's own attitude to women, children, marriages the little whiffs of bigotry that let the extremism take hold, the simple fact is Islam is generating an exorbitant amount of extremists, way more than other religions and this stems from its own lack of moving with the times. So it's either sheer bad luck Islam attracts nut jobs or its generating them, either way it's intolerable and something has to change. It was in no way meant to offend you. But if it does it does! | |||
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" The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get..... Sexy-bum, please explain this statement if you in any way are referring to me. You've written it in response to one of my posts. On face value I find it offensive. .. Simple your stand against Islam extremism is always to apologise for the tiny minority and to always and rightly point out that it's not the majority of Muslims, it's a noble stance against the voices of the right wing that would take us down a dark path. But at the same time it just stops you seeing the facts for what they are. without being racist or prejudiced Islam needs to confront it's own prejudices it's own attitude to women, children, marriages the little whiffs of bigotry that let the extremism take hold, the simple fact is Islam is generating an exorbitant amount of extremists, way more than other religions and this stems from its own lack of moving with the times. So it's either sheer bad luck Islam attracts nut jobs or its generating them, either way it's intolerable and something has to change. It was in no way meant to offend you. But if it does it does! " Very well put. | |||
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"Je Suis Charlie........" | |||
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" The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get..... Sexy-bum, please explain this statement if you in any way are referring to me. You've written it in response to one of my posts. On face value I find it offensive. .. Simple your stand against Islam extremism is always to apologise for the tiny minority and to always and rightly point out that it's not the majority of Muslims, it's a noble stance against the voices of the right wing that would take us down a dark path. But at the same time it just stops you seeing the facts for what they are. without being racist or prejudiced Islam needs to confront it's own prejudices it's own attitude to women, children, marriages the little whiffs of bigotry that let the extremism take hold, the simple fact is Islam is generating an exorbitant amount of extremists, way more than other religions and this stems from its own lack of moving with the times. So it's either sheer bad luck Islam attracts nut jobs or its generating them, either way it's intolerable and something has to change. It was in no way meant to offend you. But if it does it does! " in all the debates on here i have never seen anyone apologise for any extremist whenever an atrocity is carried out.. despite ones perspective on what the answers are to such issue's the common thing is everyone has consistently condemned such things.. | |||
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"Considering the actions of certain states of the West in the Middle East during the last 15 years or so, I don't think it is any surprise that some Muslims have become radicalised. Perhaps if the boot had been on the other foot and the West had been turned upside down, losing family members and friends, then the reaction of some would also have been violent." They got no problem at all killing their own women n children tho n led to a pit by your own father n family coz you was deemed to have looked at a man in the 'wrong' way n being stoned to death n I woukdn't fancy being in your shoes either if you was to visit some of the muslim states that we are friends with let alone the ones we aren't lol its not compatible with our own free western society,simple as n I blame the politicians for allowing Europe to be invaded by the followers of such a backward,barbaric religion n thats not being racist just stating the facts the way I and many other people are forced to see and endure it...  | |||
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"Considering the actions of certain states of the West in the Middle East during the last 15 years or so, I don't think it is any surprise that some Muslims have become radicalised. Perhaps if the boot had been on the other foot and the West had been turned upside down, losing family members and friends, then the reaction of some would also have been violent. They got no problem at all killing their own women n children tho n led to a pit by your own father n family coz you was deemed to have looked at a man in the 'wrong' way n being stoned to death n I woukdn't fancy being in your shoes either if you was to visit some of the muslim states that we are friends with let alone the ones we aren't lol its not compatible with our own free western society,simple as n I blame the politicians for allowing Europe to be invaded by the followers of such a backward,barbaric religion n thats not being racist just stating the facts the way I and many other people are forced to see and endure it... " | |||
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"Considering the actions of certain states of the West in the Middle East during the last 15 years or so, I don't think it is any surprise that some Muslims have become radicalised. Perhaps if the boot had been on the other foot and the West had been turned upside down, losing family members and friends, then the reaction of some would also have been violent." Oh here we go. Regardless of the actions of the 'West' in the 'Middle East' there are a significant number of Muslims that want a world wide Islamic State - a Caliphate. Some even want Sharia Law here. The values of the west is what they [the gunmen] hate'. To put it in a phrase, it's not what Western liberals don't like and can't defend about their own system, but what they do like about it and must defend: its emancipated women, its scientific inquiry, its separation of religion from the state. Loose talk about chickens coming home to roost is garbage. | |||
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"Considering the actions of certain states of the West in the Middle East during the last 15 years or so, I don't think it is any surprise that some Muslims have become radicalised. Perhaps if the boot had been on the other foot and the West had been turned upside down, losing family members and friends, then the reaction of some would also have been violent. Oh here we go. Regardless of the actions of the 'West' in the 'Middle East' there are a significant number of Muslims that want a world wide Islamic State - a Caliphate. Some even want Sharia Law here. The values of the west is what they [the gunmen] hate'. To put it in a phrase, it's not what Western liberals don't like and can't defend about their own system, but what they do like about it and must defend: its emancipated women, its scientific inquiry, its separation of religion from the state. Loose talk about chickens coming home to roost is garbage." | |||
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"Considering the actions of certain states of the West in the Middle East during the last 15 years or so, I don't think it is any surprise that some Muslims have become radicalised. Perhaps if the boot had been on the other foot and the West had been turned upside down, losing family members and friends, then the reaction of some would also have been violent. Oh here we go. Regardless of the actions of the 'West' in the 'Middle East' there are a significant number of Muslims that want a world wide Islamic State - a Caliphate. Some even want Sharia Law here. The values of the west is what they [the gunmen] hate'. To put it in a phrase, it's not what Western liberals don't like and can't defend about their own system, but what they do like about it and must defend: its emancipated women, its scientific inquiry, its separation of religion from the state. Loose talk about chickens coming home to roost is garbage." The fact that you later refer to Muslims as "the gunmen" says it all. Small mindedness and prejudice are where these ideas come from. Extremists represent nothing but extremism. It doesnt matter what religion or part of the world they hail from, and they are present in every faith, political party and nation. | |||
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"Considering the actions of certain states of the West in the Middle East during the last 15 years or so, I don't think it is any surprise that some Muslims have become radicalised. Perhaps if the boot had been on the other foot and the West had been turned upside down, losing family members and friends, then the reaction of some would also have been violent. Oh here we go. Regardless of the actions of the 'West' in the 'Middle East' there are a significant number of Muslims that want a world wide Islamic State - a Caliphate. Some even want Sharia Law here. The values of the west is what they [the gunmen] hate'. To put it in a phrase, it's not what Western liberals don't like and can't defend about their own system, but what they do like about it and must defend: its emancipated women, its scientific inquiry, its separation of religion from the state. Loose talk about chickens coming home to roost is garbage. The fact that you later refer to Muslims as "the gunmen" says it all. Small mindedness and prejudice are where these ideas come from. Extremists represent nothing but extremism. It doesnt matter what religion or part of the world they hail from, and they are present in every faith, political party and nation. " . That's great but solves fuck all. | |||
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"Considering the actions of certain states of the West in the Middle East during the last 15 years or so, I don't think it is any surprise that some Muslims have become radicalised. Perhaps if the boot had been on the other foot and the West had been turned upside down, losing family members and friends, then the reaction of some would also have been violent. Oh here we go. Regardless of the actions of the 'West' in the 'Middle East' there are a significant number of Muslims that want a world wide Islamic State - a Caliphate. Some even want Sharia Law here. The values of the west is what they [the gunmen] hate'. To put it in a phrase, it's not what Western liberals don't like and can't defend about their own system, but what they do like about it and must defend: its emancipated women, its scientific inquiry, its separation of religion from the state. Loose talk about chickens coming home to roost is garbage." | |||
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" The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get..... Sexy-bum, please explain this statement if you in any way are referring to me. You've written it in response to one of my posts. On face value I find it offensive. .. Simple your stand against Islam extremism is always to apologise for the tiny minority and to always and rightly point out that it's not the majority of Muslims, it's a noble stance against the voices of the right wing that would take us down a dark path. But at the same time it just stops you seeing the facts for what they are. without being racist or prejudiced Islam needs to confront it's own prejudices it's own attitude to women, children, marriages the little whiffs of bigotry that let the extremism take hold, the simple fact is Islam is generating an exorbitant amount of extremists, way more than other religions and this stems from its own lack of moving with the times. So it's either sheer bad luck Islam attracts nut jobs or its generating them, either way it's intolerable and something has to change. It was in no way meant to offend you. But if it does it does! " I have NEVER apologised for any minority of Islam extremists, I have ALWAYS completely condemned them. To state or suggest otherwise is a lie. I have NEVER been an apologist for the right wing. To suggest or state otherwise is a lie. You either lack the intelligence to comprehend and counter with reasoned debate what has been clearly written or you are choosing to mislead. It may be the former but I suspect it to be the latter. | |||
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" Do you think Christians must look at Christianity and wonder why their attracting so many crazy people? Very rare compared to muslims though isn't it.
President George Bush, a born again Christian, said that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.
How do you think Muslims feel when they hear a Christian World leader saying things like that?
Do you have any idea of how many Muslims have died as a result of his decision?
Attacking, invading or killing in the name of one's 'God' is not unique to Islam.
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" in all the debates on here i have never seen anyone apologise for any extremist whenever an atrocity is carried out.. despite ones perspective on what the answers are to such issue's the common thing is everyone has consistently condemned such things.." Clearly some actually have the ability to read what is said and retain the facts of what is said. | |||
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" The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get..... Sexy-bum, please explain this statement if you in any way are referring to me. You've written it in response to one of my posts. On face value I find it offensive. .. Simple your stand against Islam extremism is always to apologise for the tiny minority and to always and rightly point out that it's not the majority of Muslims, it's a noble stance against the voices of the right wing that would take us down a dark path. But at the same time it just stops you seeing the facts for what they are. without being racist or prejudiced Islam needs to confront it's own prejudices it's own attitude to women, children, marriages the little whiffs of bigotry that let the extremism take hold, the simple fact is Islam is generating an exorbitant amount of extremists, way more than other religions and this stems from its own lack of moving with the times. So it's either sheer bad luck Islam attracts nut jobs or its generating them, either way it's intolerable and something has to change. It was in no way meant to offend you. But if it does it does! I have NEVER apologised for any minority of Islam extremists, I have ALWAYS completely condemned them. To state or suggest otherwise is a lie. I have NEVER been an apologist for the right wing. To suggest or state otherwise is a lie. You either lack the intelligence to comprehend and counter with reasoned debate what has been clearly written or you are choosing to mislead. It may be the former but I suspect it to be the latter. " ..As they say whatever!. I've asked you three times why it is that Islam attracts the vast amount of extremists but you never seem to want to answer but merely to apologise for the vast majority of non extremist Muslims. I don't want an apology I want an explanation on why Islam produces so many fundamental nutjobs, don't comeback with the right wing Christian burning down an abortion clinic in Missouri or some African Christian dictator. There are nutjob Christians we all know that but right now at this moment nobody in Paris is feared for going for an abortion, there feared for writing about freedoms we've had for a few hundred years, Muslims in Syria are feared for being genocidaly wiped from the earth, journalists in Iraq and Egypt are feared for years of internment or beheadings and it's no good saying there not Muslims or islamists because they are.. They run into buildings shouting Allah Akbar, they want an Islamic state, they want sharia law.... Islam is turning out alot of right whackos who are murdering people over free speech, cartoons and blasphemy and I want to know why and how we best fix it because I don't want to be having this argument when they've nuked London. | |||
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" The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get..... Sexy-bum, please explain this statement if you in any way are referring to me. You've written it in response to one of my posts. On face value I find it offensive. .. Simple your stand against Islam extremism is always to apologise for the tiny minority and to always and rightly point out that it's not the majority of Muslims, it's a noble stance against the voices of the right wing that would take us down a dark path. But at the same time it just stops you seeing the facts for what they are. without being racist or prejudiced Islam needs to confront it's own prejudices it's own attitude to women, children, marriages the little whiffs of bigotry that let the extremism take hold, the simple fact is Islam is generating an exorbitant amount of extremists, way more than other religions and this stems from its own lack of moving with the times. So it's either sheer bad luck Islam attracts nut jobs or its generating them, either way it's intolerable and something has to change. It was in no way meant to offend you. But if it does it does! I have NEVER apologised for any minority of Islam extremists, I have ALWAYS completely condemned them. To state or suggest otherwise is a lie. I have NEVER been an apologist for the right wing. To suggest or state otherwise is a lie. You either lack the intelligence to comprehend and counter with reasoned debate what has been clearly written or you are choosing to mislead. It may be the former but I suspect it to be the latter. ..As they say whatever!. I've asked you three times why it is that Islam attracts the vast amount of extremists but you never seem to want to answer but merely to apologise for the vast majority of non extremist Muslims. I don't want an apology I want an explanation on why Islam produces so many fundamental nutjobs, don't comeback with the right wing Christian burning down an abortion clinic in Missouri or some African Christian dictator. There are nutjob Christians we all know that but right now at this moment nobody in Paris is feared for going for an abortion, there feared for writing about freedoms we've had for a few hundred years, Muslims in Syria are feared for being genocidaly wiped from the earth, journalists in Iraq and Egypt are feared for years of internment or beheadings and it's no good saying there not Muslims or islamists because they are.. They run into buildings shouting Allah Akbar, they want an Islamic state, they want sharia law.... Islam is turning out alot of right whackos who are murdering people over free speech, cartoons and blasphemy and I want to know why and how we best fix it because I don't want to be having this argument when they've nuked London. " | |||
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" I have NEVER apologised for any minority of Islam extremists, I have ALWAYS completely condemned them. To state or suggest otherwise is a lie. I have NEVER been an apologist for the right wing. To suggest or state otherwise is a lie. You either lack the intelligence to comprehend and counter with reasoned debate what has been clearly written or you are choosing to mislead. It may be the former but I suspect it to be the latter. ..As they say whatever!. I've asked you three times why it is that Islam attracts the vast amount of extremists but you never seem to want to answer but merely to apologise for the vast majority of non extremist Muslims. I don't want an apology I want an explanation on why Islam produces so many fundamental nutjobs, don't comeback with the right wing Christian burning down an abortion clinic in Missouri or some African Christian dictator. There are nutjob Christians we all know that but right now at this moment nobody in Paris is feared for going for an abortion, there feared for writing about freedoms we've had for a few hundred years, Muslims in Syria are feared for being genocidaly wiped from the earth, journalists in Iraq and Egypt are feared for years of internment or beheadings and it's no good saying there not Muslims or islamists because they are.. They run into buildings shouting Allah Akbar, they want an Islamic state, they want sharia law.... Islam is turning out alot of right whackos who are murdering people over free speech, cartoons and blasphemy and I want to know why and how we best fix it because I don't want to be having this argument when they've nuked London. " First you suggest I'm an apologist for the right wing then for Islamic extremists and now for islam. Let me spell it out to you. The main difference between me and you is that you want to blame the whole of Islam whereas I want to blame the extremists. Islam is made up of over 1.5 billion people. ISIS doesn't have enough extremists fighters to fill your average premier league football stadium! I grew up Christian and would probably describe myself if pushed as agnostic. I have never had any links to Islam. Logic and reason are enough for me to understand that a very small number of people (relatively) with extreme _iews who happen to be Muslim do not represent 1.5 Billion mainly happy normal peace loving individuals who just want to raise their kids in a safe world. If you're argument has merit why aren't all 1.5 Billion radicalised? Maybe it's a little more complex than 'let's blame the Koran'. | |||
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" The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get..... Sexy-bum, please explain this statement if you in any way are referring to me. You've written it in response to one of my posts. On face value I find it offensive. .. Simple your stand against Islam extremism is always to apologise for the tiny minority and to always and rightly point out that it's not the majority of Muslims, it's a noble stance against the voices of the right wing that would take us down a dark path. But at the same time it just stops you seeing the facts for what they are. without being racist or prejudiced Islam needs to confront it's own prejudices it's own attitude to women, children, marriages the little whiffs of bigotry that let the extremism take hold, the simple fact is Islam is generating an exorbitant amount of extremists, way more than other religions and this stems from its own lack of moving with the times. So it's either sheer bad luck Islam attracts nut jobs or its generating them, either way it's intolerable and something has to change. It was in no way meant to offend you. But if it does it does! I have NEVER apologised for any minority of Islam extremists, I have ALWAYS completely condemned them. To state or suggest otherwise is a lie. I have NEVER been an apologist for the right wing. To suggest or state otherwise is a lie. You either lack the intelligence to comprehend and counter with reasoned debate what has been clearly written or you are choosing to mislead. It may be the former but I suspect it to be the latter. ..As they say whatever!. I've asked you three times why it is that Islam attracts the vast amount of extremists but you never seem to want to answer but merely to apologise for the vast majority of non extremist Muslims. I don't want an apology I want an explanation on why Islam produces so many fundamental nutjobs, don't comeback with the right wing Christian burning down an abortion clinic in Missouri or some African Christian dictator. There are nutjob Christians we all know that but right now at this moment nobody in Paris is feared for going for an abortion, there feared for writing about freedoms we've had for a few hundred years, Muslims in Syria are feared for being genocidaly wiped from the earth, journalists in Iraq and Egypt are feared for years of internment or beheadings and it's no good saying there not Muslims or islamists because they are.. They run into buildings shouting Allah Akbar, they want an Islamic state, they want sharia law.... Islam is turning out alot of right whackos who are murdering people over free speech, cartoons and blasphemy and I want to know why and how we best fix it because I don't want to be having this argument when they've nuked London. " Fair point.
Of course Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, and lots of other religions have a few nutters, but these days Islam seems to have the monopoly on world class nutters.
Islamic nutters now hold the world records and gold medals for crashing planes into buildings, shooting teenage girls, kidnapping teenage girls, blowing up trains, blowing up buses, beheadings, crucifixions, butchering schoolkids, and now seem to be moving on into such team events as taking over countries and the genocide of all opposing religions.
They also have a brilliant propaganda machine stacked high with gullible brainless liberals who will try to justify everything they do in the name of diversity and because the western powers bumped off a handfull of their nutters in chief.
It's time to wake up and smell the coffee. There are hundreds of thousands of active nutters in the world and for every active nutter there are ten passive nutters, and many of them are among us. SCARY!!!!! | |||
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" I have NEVER apologised for any minority of Islam extremists, I have ALWAYS completely condemned them. To state or suggest otherwise is a lie. I have NEVER been an apologist for the right wing. To suggest or state otherwise is a lie. You either lack the intelligence to comprehend and counter with reasoned debate what has been clearly written or you are choosing to mislead. It may be the former but I suspect it to be the latter. ..As they say whatever!. I've asked you three times why it is that Islam attracts the vast amount of extremists but you never seem to want to answer but merely to apologise for the vast majority of non extremist Muslims. I don't want an apology I want an explanation on why Islam produces so many fundamental nutjobs, don't comeback with the right wing Christian burning down an abortion clinic in Missouri or some African Christian dictator. There are nutjob Christians we all know that but right now at this moment nobody in Paris is feared for going for an abortion, there feared for writing about freedoms we've had for a few hundred years, Muslims in Syria are feared for being genocidaly wiped from the earth, journalists in Iraq and Egypt are feared for years of internment or beheadings and it's no good saying there not Muslims or islamists because they are.. They run into buildings shouting Allah Akbar, they want an Islamic state, they want sharia law.... Islam is turning out alot of right whackos who are murdering people over free speech, cartoons and blasphemy and I want to know why and how we best fix it because I don't want to be having this argument when they've nuked London. First you suggest I'm an apologist for the right wing then for Islamic extremists and now for islam. Let me spell it out to you. The main difference between me and you is that you want to blame the whole of Islam whereas I want to blame the extremists. Islam is made up of over 1.5 billion people. ISIS doesn't have enough extremists fighters to fill your average premier league football stadium! I grew up Christian and would probably describe myself if pushed as agnostic. I have never had any links to Islam. Logic and reason are enough for me to understand that a very small number of people (relatively) with extreme _iews who happen to be Muslim do not represent 1.5 Billion mainly happy normal peace loving individuals who just want to raise their kids in a safe world. If you're argument has merit why aren't all 1.5 Billion radicalised? Maybe it's a little more complex than 'let's blame the Koran'. " | |||
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"scary is people who think that the way to deal with such extremists is to burn down mosque's.. " Extremism breeds extremism. Moderates need to break that cycle. | |||
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" I have NEVER apologised for any minority of Islam extremists, I have ALWAYS completely condemned them. To state or suggest otherwise is a lie. I have NEVER been an apologist for the right wing. To suggest or state otherwise is a lie. You either lack the intelligence to comprehend and counter with reasoned debate what has been clearly written or you are choosing to mislead. It may be the former but I suspect it to be the latter. ..As they say whatever!. I've asked you three times why it is that Islam attracts the vast amount of extremists but you never seem to want to answer but merely to apologise for the vast majority of non extremist Muslims. I don't want an apology I want an explanation on why Islam produces so many fundamental nutjobs, don't comeback with the right wing Christian burning down an abortion clinic in Missouri or some African Christian dictator. There are nutjob Christians we all know that but right now at this moment nobody in Paris is feared for going for an abortion, there feared for writing about freedoms we've had for a few hundred years, Muslims in Syria are feared for being genocidaly wiped from the earth, journalists in Iraq and Egypt are feared for years of internment or beheadings and it's no good saying there not Muslims or islamists because they are.. They run into buildings shouting Allah Akbar, they want an Islamic state, they want sharia law.... Islam is turning out alot of right whackos who are murdering people over free speech, cartoons and blasphemy and I want to know why and how we best fix it because I don't want to be having this argument when they've nuked London. First you suggest I'm an apologist for the right wing then for Islamic extremists and now for islam. Let me spell it out to you. The main difference between me and you is that you want to blame the whole of Islam whereas I want to blame the extremists. Islam is made up of over 1.5 billion people. ISIS doesn't have enough extremists fighters to fill your average premier league football stadium! I grew up Christian and would probably describe myself if pushed as agnostic. I have never had any links to Islam. Logic and reason are enough for me to understand that a very small number of people (relatively) with extreme _iews who happen to be Muslim do not represent 1.5 Billion mainly happy normal peace loving individuals who just want to raise their kids in a safe world. If you're argument has merit why aren't all 1.5 Billion radicalised? Maybe it's a little more complex than 'let's blame the Koran'. " You always appear to respond with a measured, considered, appropriate and correct response. We agree, the world is a very big place and people of Muslim faith make up a sizeable chunk of the worlds population. The extremists are a tiny minority but a minority that achieve maximum publicity. The radicalisation of this tiny minority of nut cases needs to be tackled carefully because an all out attack on everything Islam will only benefit the extremists whose very cause is to create division. | |||
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"Fair point, but this is a great opportunity for the Muslim community to stand up and nail their colours to the mast. Say 'not in our name' and that they will root out these individuals. Interestingly, on Sky news just now, following on from the Danish cartoon incident where the prophet was depicted pictorially a survey of British Muslims found that 65% of them felt that it should be a criminal offence to 'insult' Islam or the Prophet. Is there an elephant in the room?" Ofcourse there is. The Israeli government would have sorted this out by now. They are not constrained by stupid Political Correctness | |||
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"Islam do have more nutters than any other religions. Look at all African countries with Moslems, they don't have peace. Nigeria, Mali, Sudan, Somalia, Kenya, Central African Republic, Lybia etc. Islam is a devilish religion, that's how I see it. " You may want to re look at some of them countries. The Somalians have an issue with the Kenyans because they sent troops into Somalia - so have we by the way - that's "uoset" the Somalis so they retaliated by hitting the tourist areas thus hurting Kenya financially. Kenyans are pretty good people and on the whole welcoming to "us". I would also suggest lybria is friendly to "us" too but I'm not as sure of my footing there | |||
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" I have NEVER apologised for any minority of Islam extremists, I have ALWAYS completely condemned them. To state or suggest otherwise is a lie. I have NEVER been an apologist for the right wing. To suggest or state otherwise is a lie. You either lack the intelligence to comprehend and counter with reasoned debate what has been clearly written or you are choosing to mislead. It may be the former but I suspect it to be the latter. ..As they say whatever!. I've asked you three times why it is that Islam attracts the vast amount of extremists but you never seem to want to answer but merely to apologise for the vast majority of non extremist Muslims. I don't want an apology I want an explanation on why Islam produces so many fundamental nutjobs, don't comeback with the right wing Christian burning down an abortion clinic in Missouri or some African Christian dictator. There are nutjob Christians we all know that but right now at this moment nobody in Paris is feared for going for an abortion, there feared for writing about freedoms we've had for a few hundred years, Muslims in Syria are feared for being genocidaly wiped from the earth, journalists in Iraq and Egypt are feared for years of internment or beheadings and it's no good saying there not Muslims or islamists because they are.. They run into buildings shouting Allah Akbar, they want an Islamic state, they want sharia law.... Islam is turning out alot of right whackos who are murdering people over free speech, cartoons and blasphemy and I want to know why and how we best fix it because I don't want to be having this argument when they've nuked London. First you suggest I'm an apologist for the right wing then for Islamic extremists and now for islam. Let me spell it out to you. The main difference between me and you is that you want to blame the whole of Islam whereas I want to blame the extremists. Islam is made up of over 1.5 billion people. ISIS doesn't have enough extremists fighters to fill your average premier league football stadium! I grew up Christian and would probably describe myself if pushed as agnostic. I have never had any links to Islam. Logic and reason are enough for me to understand that a very small number of people (relatively) with extreme _iews who happen to be Muslim do not represent 1.5 Billion mainly happy normal peace loving individuals who just want to raise their kids in a safe world. If you're argument has merit why aren't all 1.5 Billion radicalised? Maybe it's a little more complex than 'let's blame the Koran'. Perfectly sums up our _iew as well. Well said. " | |||
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" The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get..... Sexy-bum, please explain this statement if you in any way are referring to me. You've written it in response to one of my posts. On face value I find it offensive. .. Simple your stand against Islam extremism is always to apologise for the tiny minority and to always and rightly point out that it's not the majority of Muslims, it's a noble stance against the voices of the right wing that would take us down a dark path. But at the same time it just stops you seeing the facts for what they are. without being racist or prejudiced Islam needs to confront it's own prejudices it's own attitude to women, children, marriages the little whiffs of bigotry that let the extremism take hold, the simple fact is Islam is generating an exorbitant amount of extremists, way more than other religions and this stems from its own lack of moving with the times. So it's either sheer bad luck Islam attracts nut jobs or its generating them, either way it's intolerable and something has to change. It was in no way meant to offend you. But if it does it does! I have NEVER apologised for any minority of Islam extremists, I have ALWAYS completely condemned them. To state or suggest otherwise is a lie. I have NEVER been an apologist for the right wing. To suggest or state otherwise is a lie. You either lack the intelligence to comprehend and counter with reasoned debate what has been clearly written or you are choosing to mislead. It may be the former but I suspect it to be the latter. ..As they say whatever!. I've asked you three times why it is that Islam attracts the vast amount of extremists but you never seem to want to answer but merely to apologise for the vast majority of non extremist Muslims. I don't want an apology I want an explanation on why Islam produces so many fundamental nutjobs, don't comeback with the right wing Christian burning down an abortion clinic in Missouri or some African Christian dictator. There are nutjob Christians we all know that but right now at this moment nobody in Paris is feared for going for an abortion, there feared for writing about freedoms we've had for a few hundred years, Muslims in Syria are feared for being genocidaly wiped from the earth, journalists in Iraq and Egypt are feared for years of internment or beheadings and it's no good saying there not Muslims or islamists because they are.. They run into buildings shouting Allah Akbar, they want an Islamic state, they want sharia law.... Islam is turning out alot of right whackos who are murdering people over free speech, cartoons and blasphemy and I want to know why and how we best fix it because I don't want to be having this argument when they've nuked London. Fair point.
Of course Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, and lots of other religions have a few nutters, but these days Islam seems to have the monopoly on world class nutters.
Islamic nutters now hold the world records and gold medals for crashing planes into buildings, shooting teenage girls, kidnapping teenage girls, blowing up trains, blowing up buses, beheadings, crucifixions, butchering schoolkids, and now seem to be moving on into such team events as taking over countries and the genocide of all opposing religions.
They also have a brilliant propaganda machine stacked high with gullible brainless liberals who will try to justify everything they do in the name of diversity and because the western powers bumped off a handfull of their nutters in chief.
It's time to wake up and smell the coffee. There are hundreds of thousands of active nutters in the world and for every active nutter there are ten passive nutters, and many of them are among us. SCARY!!!!!"Wake up and smell the coffee. | |||
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"This is facism, with an Islamic face. All moderate Muslims in the UK and the world over should be shouting from the rooftops 'not in my name'!" So will that mean ever time a non muslim did somthing you would say not in your name ?? Just asking | |||
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"Islam do have more nutters than any other religions. Look at all African countries with Moslems, they don't have peace. Nigeria, Mali, Sudan, Somalia, Kenya, Central African Republic, Lybia etc. Islam is a devilish religion, that's how I see it. " Tell that to the 100million native Americans wiped out was that Muslims ? What about heroshima ablitaration was that Muslims too ? Was poll pot a muslim ? The list will go on and on | |||
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"Seems a great way to take attention off the sex scandals of royals and war crimes of presidents and ex prime ministers , very professional killings stinks of CIA , also who ever let this so called anger invoking comic strips get published need there head read talk about playing into hands " Well, it was only a matter of time before the conspiracy theorist pricks turned up! Oh yes, re the second part of your drivel, shame on the French free press. Idiot | |||
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"This is facism, with an Islamic face. All moderate Muslims in the UK and the world over should be shouting from the rooftops 'not in my name'! So will that mean ever time a non muslim did somthing you would say not in your name ?? Just asking " Um, I think you'll find that the killers motive was to 'avenge' the prophet. Therefore, the killings were in the name of Islam - there's the link. What other crimes did you have in mind that I should say 'not in my name' for? | |||
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"Apparently most of the mainstream European press, especially the German and Italian press, has published the cartoons themselves as they were shown in the French satire paper. What a great show of solidarity and shame on our press for not doing so. Respect or fear? Where are the protests for the killings from George Galloway? He's loud and vocal? And at times suspiciously absent."
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"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad. Turn them over to the police and security services. And the chances of this happening are........? They aren't part of the everday Muslim community just as serial killers aren't everyday people. Not so, they're not completely separate . At some stage they will have been in mainstream mosques, if they're not currently." Only in the same way some members of the IRA may have gone to Catholic churches. Didn't make all Catholics terrorists did it? | |||
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"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad. Turn them over to the police and security services. And the chances of this happening are........? They aren't part of the everday Muslim community just as serial killers aren't everyday people. Not so, they're not completely separate . At some stage they will have been in mainstream mosques, if they're not currently. Only in the same way some members of the IRA may have gone to Catholic churches. Didn't make all Catholics terrorists did it?" | |||
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" It is not religion that sanctions this They hide behind religion,
I completely agree with this part of your post..
Yes but do you not think Muslims must look at Islam and wonder why there attracting so many crazy twats?...
Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims. "Christians have been know to do similar things as well. Before 9/11 the biggest terrorist attach in the US was the Oklahoma bombing. The guy who did that was Christian with strong links to extreme right wing fundamentalist Christian groups. There are fundamentalist Hindu groups in India that repeatedly attack both Christians and Muslims. There are even extreme atheist groups that call for the violent over through of all religions. What all these groups have in common is that they are extremist and intolerant of other belief systems. Fundamental extremism in any form is the real danger to peace and freadom | |||
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" Yes but do you not think Muslims must look at Islam and wonder why there attracting so many crazy twats?... The American abortion physician George Tiller, who performed late-term abortions, was murdered by Scott Roeder. Tiller was shot dead during a Sunday morning service at his church where he was serving as an usher. Roeder, a Christian extremist, went on to fully admit this atrocity. Do you think Christians must look at Christianity and wonder why their attracting so many crazy people?"
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" Yes but do you not think Muslims must look at Islam and wonder why there attracting so many crazy twats?... The American abortion physician George Tiller, who performed late-term abortions, was murdered by Scott Roeder. Tiller was shot dead during a Sunday morning service at his church where he was serving as an usher. Roeder, a Christian extremist, went on to fully admit this atrocity. Do you think Christians must look at Christianity and wonder why their attracting so many crazy people? Very rare compared to muslims though isn't it. "You clearly haven't spent much time in the US talking to some of the more radical extremist Christians there. | |||
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" Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.
Buddhist monks have reportedly been murdering Muslims in Myanmar.
Buddhist mobs have been murdering muslims in sectarian attacks in Burma.
Open your eyes. The problem is extremists not Islam, Christianity, Buddhists or any other religion.
Religions just provide extremists with an excuse.
And why do you think they have been murdering muslims. "Does it matter why? Are you going to excuse it because some other Muslim has done some wrong somewhere else in the world. What kind of morality is that? | |||
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"Remember that Christians were just as bad in the 16th century ....... and the old testament isn't really a book of "sweetness and light"..... its actually rather vengeful.... so as blackspice says, every religion has its nuts that take it beyond the pale..... Oh exactly which religion uses the old testament these days again! "Judaism and Christianity. Muslims use the Koran. | |||
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"This outrage is really an attack on us all. For all of us on Fab, don't think our freedoms to live as we see fit are not under threat, (ok maybe somewhere down the line) if we allow the erosion of free speech. We should all buy the next copy of Charlie Hebdo, if there is one, and I really hope there is, even if we don't speak French!. Altogether now. The prophet Mohammed is a tit!" Although I'm tempted to join you on this occasion to prove the point that free speech can not be killed by fear I'm not going to. I don't believe in belittling peoples beliefs, I've never done it in the past and I don't believe now is the time to start. However I absolutely will defend YOUR right to say it. | |||
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" the french far right parties are already popular in many regions ....just watch their popularity rise even more now .... U gotta feel for the normal muslims who merely want to live a decent life in france, minding their own business.... Seems to me these nutjobs hurt their own people in the name of their own religion.... I just dont get it....maybe im just a bit thick.... "That's part of the plan. The more they can get normal people to be islamophobic the more isolated the Muslim community will feel and the more open they are to being influenced by extremist _iews. | |||
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"Considering the actions of certain states of the West in the Middle East during the last 15 years or so, I don't think it is any surprise that some Muslims have become radicalised. Perhaps if the boot had been on the other foot and the West had been turned upside down, losing family members and friends, then the reaction of some would also have been violent." | |||
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"Seems a great way to take attention off the sex scandals of royals and war crimes of presidents and ex prime ministers , very professional killings stinks of CIA , also who ever let this so called anger invoking comic strips get published need there head read talk about playing into hands " I disagree with your conspiracy theory and find it equally distasteful to those who want to blame the whole of Islam. Radical extremists are the problem here. They should not be helped by us validating their cause by blaming their wider religion or by blaming someone else. The responsibility lies solely with these despicable individuals who are murderers. The sooner everybody else isolates them, their backers and dismantles any validation that they feel they have from a cause the better. | |||
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"This outrage is really an attack on us all. For all of us on Fab, don't think our freedoms to live as we see fit are not under threat, (ok maybe somewhere down the line) if we allow the erosion of free speech. We should all buy the next copy of Charlie Hebdo, if there is one, and I really hope there is, even if we don't speak French!. Altogether now. The prophet Mohammed is a tit! Although I'm tempted to join you on this occasion to prove the point that free speech can not be killed by fear I'm not going to. I don't believe in belittling peoples beliefs, I've never done it in the past and I don't believe now is the time to start. However I absolutely will defend YOUR right to say it." . Good being offended is not like being beheaded with a penknife or shot with a Kalashnikov or burnt alive in your building after a planes been flown into it. Timothy McVeigh certainly didn't blow up the Oklahoma building for god or Christianity he was against federal government, although he always denied it was him anyhow. My point about the old and new testament was that the new one with all the revisions of it since that the CofE use certainly don't contain anything like the strangulating repressive language of the new or the Qur'an and it's just my opinion that when you look at the Qur'an and new testaments and see how it holds the Jews and the Muslims you can see where the extremism comes from and it isn't some cia fucking plot, it's plane old control of the masses and while they continue to push 3 times a day payer, kosher meat, burkas, non abortion, creationism and every other myth that must be followed absolutely to be a good "whatever" you will always have extremism and why you don't get CofE extremists decapitating journalists in the name of York minster!. To keep denying the problem with the Qur'an and Islam and the new testament! and allow driving force of extremism will only end one way. And let's cut the bullshit with the ira it's main driving force was republicanism they had highly committed members to but they certainly didn't take the extremes of islamists with suicide missions and mass slaughter of children and at the end of the day there was a reasonable resolution with self determination that didn't involve returning the population back 700 years... Can you say the same for islamists!. You keep up your non offending persona and see how far it gets you. Me I'll keep on offending as its not my God given right! but one given to me legally by mandate of the people. | |||
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"This outrage is really an attack on us all. For all of us on Fab, don't think our freedoms to live as we see fit are not under threat, (ok maybe somewhere down the line) if we allow the erosion of free speech. We should all buy the next copy of Charlie Hebdo, if there is one, and I really hope there is, even if we don't speak French!. Altogether now. The prophet Mohammed is a tit! Although I'm tempted to join you on this occasion to prove the point that free speech can not be killed by fear I'm not going to. I don't believe in belittling peoples beliefs, I've never done it in the past and I don't believe now is the time to start. However I absolutely will defend YOUR right to say it.. Good being offended is not like being beheaded with a penknife or shot with a Kalashnikov or burnt alive in your building after a planes been flown into it. Timothy McVeigh certainly didn't blow up the Oklahoma building for god or Christianity he was against federal government, although he always denied it was him anyhow. My point about the old and new testament was that the new one with all the revisions of it since that the CofE use certainly don't contain anything like the strangulating repressive language of the new or the Qur'an and it's just my opinion that when you look at the Qur'an and new testaments and see how it holds the Jews and the Muslims you can see where the extremism comes from and it isn't some cia fucking plot, it's plane old control of the masses and while they continue to push 3 times a day payer, kosher meat, burkas, non abortion, creationism and every other myth that must be followed absolutely to be a good "whatever" you will always have extremism and why you don't get CofE extremists decapitating journalists in the name of York minster!. To keep denying the problem with the Qur'an and Islam and the new testament! and allow driving force of extremism will only end one way. And let's cut the bullshit with the ira it's main driving force was republicanism they had highly committed members to but they certainly didn't take the extremes of islamists with suicide missions and mass slaughter of children and at the end of the day there was a reasonable resolution with self determination that didn't involve returning the population back 700 years... Can you say the same for islamists!. You keep up your non offending persona and see how far it gets you. Me I'll keep on offending as its not my God given right! but one given to me legally by mandate of the people. " I'm not here to argue today. I think all who believe in freedom and the right to free speech should speak as one today and say that this sort of action is unacceptable. Nothing more and nothing less is appropriate at this time. That's all I'm going to say. | |||
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