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Lets see how much free speech we get on this subject in our supposedly free n democratic country...He's been accused of forcing a minor to have underage sex with him in the USA in a lawsuit which naturally has been denied by the Palace....Hopefully the Yanks will get to the bottom of these sordid tales a dam sight quicker than our Scum filled Establishment??? |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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Vexatious litigation is a big problem in the USA especially if the defendant has deep pockets.
Personally I would say that this is a bullshit claim that will gain publicity for claimant and cost Prince Andrew to defend. |
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over a year ago
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Philip----Philip.......One can't be dealing with anymore scandal........
Summon that dreadful man Jeremy Kyle to the palace and tell him to bring along his lie detection equipment ......
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Just been on sky news ant once again the first post (not saying same OP again). Has misheard or heard a wrong quote.
He has been named as an associate of someone else (a known offender) in a lawsuit. It was already known that he had had meetings with the man in question prior to learning of hopes background.
Another example of someone trying to make headlines out of nothing?
Loads of people met Jimmy Saville in his charity work....doesn't make them all guilty does it.
Let's just wait until the whole story comes out...as there likely isn't one! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"He'll never be charged!"
he can't... statute of limitation on a state case in florida is i think 5 years......
this is an allegation in civil case against a certain person who was jailed for 18 months back in 2008 for admitting having sex with "minors" (age of consent in florida is 18....... she was 17 at the time) |
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"Lets see how much free speech we get on this subject in our supposedly free n democratic country...He's been accused of forcing a minor to have underage sex with him in the USA in a lawsuit which naturally has been denied by the Palace....Hopefully the Yanks will get to the bottom of these sordid tales a dam sight quicker than our Scum filled Establishment???"
Scum filled establishment? I have a great deal more faith in our system than Americas. There are so many people who make a living by making nuisance lawsuits and are protected by the law. I'll wait and hear the facts before I presume |
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"Philip----Philip.......One can't be dealing with anymore scandal........
Summon that dreadful man Jeremy Kyle to the palace and tell him to bring along his lie detection equipment ......
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..I've never watched that Jeremy kyle but I'm curious.... Has the detector ever got it wrong? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well said. Innocent til proven guilty. This woman is involved in a civil case not a criminal case and it is not against prince Andrew he was just named in documents. I'm sorry but if I was abused I would be more interested in getting a criminal conviction against my attacker than financial compensation. I hope the courts get it right whatever the truth is.
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"He'll never be charged!
Strangely enough he could just be innocent lol
Exactly what I was thinking
I love a jury that just presumes guilt lol"
Can't remember anyone saying hes guilty...An accusation isn't a sign of guilt is it...What I said is I hope they get to the bottom if it quicker than us n that people don't start dying in suspicious circumstances, like peole that don't drink dying of alcohol poisoning n diabetics that have dealt with their illness all their lives suddenly overdosing themselves..etc.etc.etc...  |
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"Lets see how much free speech we get on this subject in our supposedly free n democratic country...He's been accused of forcing a minor to have underage sex with him in the USA in a lawsuit which naturally has been denied by the Palace....Hopefully the Yanks will get to the bottom of these sordid tales a dam sight quicker than our Scum filled Establishment???"
You know free speech doesn't mean you can spout any old bullshit about don't you?! Liable and slander laws prevent that. Even the freedom of speech act has caveats on it that states what cannot be said freely in it lol |
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"Lets see how much free speech we get on this subject in our supposedly free n democratic country...He's been accused of forcing a minor to have underage sex with him in the USA in a lawsuit which naturally has been denied by the Palace....Hopefully the Yanks will get to the bottom of these sordid tales a dam sight quicker than our Scum filled Establishment???
You know free speech doesn't mean you can spout any old bullshit about don't you?! Liable and slander laws prevent that. Even the freedom of speech act has caveats on it that states what cannot be said freely in it lol "
Quite right Evie, all it means is that you are entitled to an opinion. If you decide to express your opinion publically, you must do so in accordance with current slander and liable laws |
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"He'll never be charged!
Strangely enough he could just be innocent lol
Exactly what I was thinking
I love a jury that just presumes guilt lolCan't remember anyone saying hes guilty...An accusation isn't a sign of guilt is it...What I said is I hope they get to the bottom if it quicker than us n that people don't start dying in suspicious circumstances, like peole that don't drink dying of alcohol poisoning n diabetics that have dealt with their illness all their lives suddenly overdosing themselves..etc.etc.etc... "
You didn't stay he was guilty but you did get the whole story wrong it would seem lol |
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"Lets see how much free speech we get on this subject in our supposedly free n democratic country...He's been accused of forcing a minor to have underage sex with him in the USA in a lawsuit which naturally has been denied by the Palace....Hopefully the Yanks will get to the bottom of these sordid tales a dam sight quicker than our Scum filled Establishment???
You know free speech doesn't mean you can spout any old bullshit about don't you?! Liable and slander laws prevent that. Even the freedom of speech act has caveats on it that states what cannot be said freely in it lol "
Simply repeating what they just said on the news mate...Soo let the lawsuits begin lol |
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"Lets see how much free speech we get on this subject in our supposedly free n democratic country...He's been accused of forcing a minor to have underage sex with him in the USA in a lawsuit which naturally has been denied by the Palace....Hopefully the Yanks will get to the bottom of these sordid tales a dam sight quicker than our Scum filled Establishment???
You know free speech doesn't mean you can spout any old bullshit about don't you?! Liable and slander laws prevent that. Even the freedom of speech act has caveats on it that states what cannot be said freely in it lol Simply repeating what they just said on the news mate...Soo let the lawsuits begin lol"
But you're not repeating the news, are you? If you read above, he's an associate of the accused, not the accused!!! |
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"Just been on sky news ant once again the first post (not saying same OP again). Has misheard or heard a wrong quote.
He has been named as an associate of someone else (a known offender) in a lawsuit. It was already known that he had had meetings with the man in question prior to learning of hopes background.
Another example of someone trying to make headlines out of nothing?
Loads of people met Jimmy Saville in his charity work....doesn't make them all guilty does it.
Let's just wait until the whole story comes out...as there likely isn't one!"
As we all know a lot of people covered up Savilles vile behavior for generations then said hey we heard about that anyway after he died n escaped punishment....People made complaints about him when these things happened but people at the top chose to cover them up for some strange reason....I wonder why??? |
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"But you're not repeating the news, are you? If you read above, he's an associate of the accused, not the accused!!! "
According to the BBC the girl, who was underage at the time, says that he did have sex with her, so although he is not the accused, if she is telling the truth he is not exactly squeaky clean either.
"She claims that between 1999 and 2002 she was forced by Epstein to have sex with the prince when she was a minor." |
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"But you're not repeating the news, are you? If you read above, he's an associate of the accused, not the accused!!!
According to the BBC the girl, who was underage at the time, says that he did have sex with her, so although he is not the accused, if she is telling the truth he is not exactly squeaky clean either.
"She claims that between 1999 and 2002 she was forced by Epstein to have sex with the prince when she was a minor.""
How is forced sex different from rape? |
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"Just been on sky news ant once again the first post (not saying same OP again). Has misheard or heard a wrong quote.
He has been named as an associate of someone else (a known offender) in a lawsuit. It was already known that he had had meetings with the man in question prior to learning of hopes background.
Another example of someone trying to make headlines out of nothing?
Loads of people met Jimmy Saville in his charity work....doesn't make them all guilty does it.
Let's just wait until the whole story comes out...as there likely isn't one!As we all know a lot of people covered up Savilles vile behavior for generations then said hey we heard about that anyway after he died n escaped punishment....People made complaints about him when these things happened but people at the top chose to cover them up for some strange reason....I wonder why???"
I don't know why people covered for J Savile but cover ups still go on I bet. However because it happened in one case doesn't mean it has in another it's important that it's investigated properly though. |
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"But you're not repeating the news, are you? If you read above, he's an associate of the accused, not the accused!!!
According to the BBC the girl, who was underage at the time, says that he did have sex with her, so although he is not the accused, if she is telling the truth he is not exactly squeaky clean either.
"She claims that between 1999 and 2002 she was forced by Epstein to have sex with the prince when she was a minor."
How is forced sex different from rape?"
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"But you're not repeating the news, are you? If you read above, he's an associate of the accused, not the accused!!!
According to the BBC the girl, who was underage at the time, says that he did have sex with her, so although he is not the accused, if she is telling the truth he is not exactly squeaky clean either.
"She claims that between 1999 and 2002 she was forced by Epstein to have sex with the prince when she was a minor.""
Thankyou very much...I haven't accused anyone of anything just simply repeating the BBC News then people say I didn't hear what I heard or have said what I haven't said is rather strange to mee....What's that all about then eh???  |
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"But you're not repeating the news, are you? If you read above, he's an associate of the accused, not the accused!!!
According to the BBC the girl, who was underage at the time, says that he did have sex with her, so although he is not the accused, if she is telling the truth he is not exactly squeaky clean either.
"She claims that between 1999 and 2002 she was forced by Epstein to have sex with the prince when she was a minor." Thankyou very much...I haven't accused anyone of anything just simply repeating the BBC News then people say I didn't hear what I heard or have said what I haven't said is rather strange to mee....What's that all about then eh??? "
.People hate accusations of famous people nearly as much as politicians  ..
The high up peadophile ring allegations have done the rounds for numerous years but nobody's ever made anything stick to anyone "High up" the links to saville and high members of parliament and civil servants keep coming and the amount of complainants grows by the day, even if 1% are genuine, it's alot of cases.
The peadophile cases that have come to light recently in northern cities proves that things can be covered up for a long time before anything makes it to the papers let alone trial |
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Its wierd how some people will try n defend or protect anyone no matter how disgusting or barbaric the crimes just because theyr'e of the same political persuasion or class....Well I can promise you all that I for one won't let it continue for another 30 or 40 years until their dead n buried n evade justice....Justice for the victims/survivors I say n the sooner the better... |
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Royals have been at it for 100's of years just like Saville was, but when your a monarchy your beyond the law even though you have no power of rule or law
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Its wierd how some people will try n defend or protect anyone no matter how disgusting or barbaric the crimes just because theyr'e of the same political persuasion or class....Well I can promise you all that I for one won't let it continue for another 30 or 40 years until their dead n buried n evade justice....Justice for the victims/survivors I say n the sooner the better... "
What is it that you are going to do? |
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You said in your original post that he has been accused of having sex with an underage girl. That sounded as if he is being charged, which is factually incorrect. The claim has been made as part of a lawsuit against his associate. I hope it isn't true.....But yes it could be. Who knows. If the claim leads to a case against him then hopefully justice will be done. Just because he's royalty of course doesn't mean he shouldn't answer for any wrong doing. Equally, just because he's royalty that doesn't mean it isn't absolutely awful to be falsely accused of something so terrible by someone.
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"Lets see how much free speech we get on this subject in our supposedly free n democratic country...He's been accused of forcing a minor to have underage sex with him in the USA in a lawsuit which naturally has been denied by the Palace....Hopefully the Yanks will get to the bottom of these sordid tales a dam sight quicker than our Scum filled Establishment???
You know free speech doesn't mean you can spout any old bullshit about don't you?! Liable and slander laws prevent that. Even the freedom of speech act has caveats on it that states what cannot be said freely in it lol Simply repeating what they just said on the news mate...Soo let the lawsuits begin lol
But you're not repeating the news, are you? If you read above, he's an associate of the accused, not the accused!!! "
Switch the news on love n then maybe you'll see for yourself instead of reading someones post/opinion which happens to be less than accurate ffs!!! Thanks for your input by the way....Oooh I see you've all gone quiet now lol |
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These are civil proceedings, it's not even against him, and no one has been found guilty or innocent yet. I'd hate some of you lot on a jury if I was on trial for anything.
And I think the US establishment and legal system has enough problems of its own, give me the British courts any day. |
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"He'll never be charged!
Strangely enough he could just be innocent lol
Exactly what I was thinking
I love a jury that just presumes guilt lol"
the American justice system is different to ours in America you are guilty till proven innocent, so as it stands at the moment wether we agree or not he is guilty |
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"These are civil proceedings, it's not even against him, and no one has been found guilty or innocent yet. I'd hate some of you lot on a jury if I was on trial for anything.
And I think the US establishment and legal system has enough problems of its own, give me the British courts any day."
We don't need a jury to discuss things do we??? And theyr'e very serious accusations that shouldn't be shrugged off just because he's not charged himself even tho he's accused of forcing a minor to have sex with him...That's how Saville thrived coz folks just shrugged their shoulders see babe n yes I'll wait and see but I just hope I'm not a very old man before we get to the bottim of it init...  |
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"But you're not repeating the news, are you? If you read above, he's an associate of the accused, not the accused!!!
According to the BBC the girl, who was underage at the time, says that he did have sex with her, so although he is not the accused, if she is telling the truth he is not exactly squeaky clean either.
"She claims that between 1999 and 2002 she was forced by Epstein to have sex with the prince when she was a minor."
How is forced sex different from rape?"
Is it to do with consent given under duress? Just a thought... |
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"These are civil proceedings, it's not even against him, and no one has been found guilty or innocent yet. I'd hate some of you lot on a jury if I was on trial for anything.
And I think the US establishment and legal system has enough problems of its own, give me the British courts any day. We don't need a jury to discuss things do we??? And theyr'e very serious accusations that shouldn't be shrugged off just because he's not charged himself even tho he's accused of forcing a minor to have sex with him...That's how Saville thrived coz folks just shrugged their shoulders see babe n yes I'll wait and see but I just hope I'm not a very old man before we get to the bottim of it init... "
Nope, discussion is fine, I just don't believe in condemning someone without knowing the facts, just because they're "establishment scum". |
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"Don't worry about the facts, folks! Behead him now and march on London! 
He is named as an associate of the accused, no more than that.
Actually he's named as an associate of the accused n accused himself of forcing a minor to have sex with him. Pity you can't get your FACTS correct before making such absurd, untrue comments....Dum, Dum....lol "
Innocent until proven guilty? Allegations not facts... |
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"I feel sorry for the Queen now in her 80s and can do with out this ..
She really has bred a load of fuck ups... one hell of a dysfunctional families "
Is it really though? I know plenty more fucked up families it's just that they're not famous so we don't all hear about it.
(Andrew excepted - he does seem a bit of a dick) |
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"You said in your original post that he has been accused of having sex with an underage girl. That sounded as if he is being charged, which is factually incorrect. The claim has been made as part of a lawsuit against his associate. I hope it isn't true.....But yes it could be. Who knows. If the claim leads to a case against him then hopefully justice will be done. Just because he's royalty of course doesn't mean he shouldn't answer for any wrong doing. Equally, just because he's royalty that doesn't mean it isn't absolutely awful to be falsely accused of something so terrible by someone.
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How is my post factually incorrect then hun? He's been accused that's all, so if that sounds like to you that he's been charged like you said at the top of your post then that's clearly wrong...How on Earth can something I didn't say n you made up yourself be 'factually incorrect'.....OMG heehee  |
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"You said in your original post that he has been accused of having sex with an underage girl. That sounded as if he is being charged, which is factually incorrect. The claim has been made as part of a lawsuit against his associate. I hope it isn't true.....But yes it could be. Who knows. If the claim leads to a case against him then hopefully justice will be done. Just because he's royalty of course doesn't mean he shouldn't answer for any wrong doing. Equally, just because he's royalty that doesn't mean it isn't absolutely awful to be falsely accused of something so terrible by someone.
How is my post factually incorrect then hun? He's been accused that's all, so if that sounds like to you that he's been charged like you said at the top of your post then that's clearly wrong...How on Earth can something I didn't say n you made up yourself be 'factually incorrect'.....OMG heehee "
Hmmm....The only thing I agree with in your post above is the OMG.
Good luck with your "crusade", I bid you good night!!! |
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"You said in your original post that he has been accused of having sex with an underage girl. That sounded as if he is being charged, which is factually incorrect. The claim has been made as part of a lawsuit against his associate. I hope it isn't true.....But yes it could be. Who knows. If the claim leads to a case against him then hopefully justice will be done. Just because he's royalty of course doesn't mean he shouldn't answer for any wrong doing. Equally, just because he's royalty that doesn't mean it isn't absolutely awful to be falsely accused of something so terrible by someone.
How is my post factually incorrect then hun? He's been accused that's all, so if that sounds like to you that he's been charged like you said at the top of your post then that's clearly wrong...How on Earth can something I didn't say n you made up yourself be 'factually incorrect'.....OMG heehee
Hmmm....The only thing I agree with in your post above is the OMG.
Good luck with your "crusade", I bid you good night!!! "
Not on a Crusade hun, I'll leave that to religious people n I for one hope these accusations are wrong for the sake of us 'subjects' and our image throughout the World if nobody else.....Thank you all for the exchange of _iews even if we only managed to agree to disagree lol now where's that Pot that the Stone Roses sang about??? Haha |
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"Do you know what he is guilty of.....being part of a dictatorship.....who voted for him"
A Parliamentary dictatorship we got.....A smaller n smaller amout of people vote for them every 5 years n then they dictate to us ALL for the duration....I must of been on holidays when they asked us if we want to be ruled by faceless, wealthy, Euro-crats or if we wanted OUR once proud Nation invaded by foreigners.... |
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"Do you know what he is guilty of.....being part of a dictatorship.....who voted for himA Parliamentary dictatorship we got.....A smaller n smaller amout of people vote for them every 5 years n then they dictate to us ALL for the duration....I must of been on holidays when they asked us if we want to be ruled by faceless, wealthy, Euro-crats or if we wanted OUR once proudi Nation invaded by foreigners.... "
i hear ya....but im perplexed that folk grumble about not getting a say in Europe and that they are denied democratic voice...yet they are happy to have a bloodine dictatorship who operate a closed club of self indulgence and who are self perpetuated by their cult of personality |
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According to what I read earlier, he has been named by Jane Doe 3, as someone she was lent to by Epstein.
No, he's not been charged, there is no legal action pending against him at the moment.
But he has been accused of rape. |
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"These are civil proceedings, it's not even against him, and no one has been found guilty or innocent yet. I'd hate some of you lot on a jury if I was on trial for anything.
And I think the US establishment and legal system has enough problems of its own, give me the British courts any day. We don't need a jury to discuss things do we??? And theyr'e very serious accusations that shouldn't be shrugged off just because he's not charged himself even tho he's accused of forcing a minor to have sex with him...That's how Saville thrived coz folks just shrugged their shoulders see babe n yes I'll wait and see but I just hope I'm not a very old man before we get to the bottim of it init...
Nope, discussion is fine, I just don't believe in condemning someone without knowing the facts, just because they're "establishment scum". "
I agree babe. |
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"I feel sorry for the Queen now in her 80s and can do with out this ..
She really has bred a load of fuck ups... one hell of a dysfunctional families "
As opposed to the rest of Britain....? |
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People seem to wilfully misrepresent what 'Freedom of Speech' actually means.
It means the Govt cannot arrest & imprison you for your opinions. It doesn't mean you can slander or libel a person with impunity, it doesn't mean anyone has to give weight or consideration to your _iews nor do they have to host you whilst you say it. |
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By *heOwlMan
over a year ago
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"He'll never be charged!
Strangely enough he could just be innocent lol
Exactly what I was thinking
I love a jury that just presumes guilt lol
the American justice system is different to ours in America you are guilty till proven innocent, so as it stands at the moment wether we agree or not he is guilty "
Not true, though their system is different, it is based on ours and still based on the concept of inocent untill proven guilty. The problem is that they suffer, rather badly in fact, from trial by media - which can result in the accused being tainted as guilty by the midua before the opening stages of the trial. |
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"He'll never be charged!
Strangely enough he could just be innocent lol
Exactly what I was thinking
I love a jury that just presumes guilt lol
the American justice system is different to ours in America you are guilty till proven innocent, so as it stands at the moment wether we agree or not he is guilty
Not true, though their system is different, it is based on ours and still based on the concept of inocent untill proven guilty. The problem is that they suffer, rather badly in fact, from trial by media - which can result in the accused being tainted as guilty by the midua before the opening stages of the trial."
Christopher Jefferies knows all about that. Looked guilty, seemed an ideal candidate, totally innocent... |
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What about Sir Cliff then??? Accused YES but Guilty NO coz he's not even been charged let alone tried yet...Whoever said that in the USA your Guilty until proven Innocent is talking utter rubbish, their much the same as us n it's the media that takes that attitude n the people that buy them hysteria inducing tabloids....It's the first Christmas I can remember not hearing his cheesy songs so it seems that the BBC amongst others have already made they're minds up...Ooh that pong of hipocracy stinks.... |
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"Philip----Philip.......One can't be dealing with anymore scandal........
Summon that dreadful man Jeremy Kyle to the palace and tell him to bring along his lie detection equipment ......
..I've never watched that Jeremy kyle but I'm curious.... Has the detector ever got it wrong?"
Lol saw an episode of either Jk or Trisha where a woman was accused of stealing some jewellery. First time she denied it, she failed. She demanded another go and passed! |
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"Philip----Philip.......One can't be dealing with anymore scandal........
Summon that dreadful man Jeremy Kyle to the palace and tell him to bring along his lie detection equipment ......
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How many women would come forward for that episode lolx |
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What happened to innocent until proven guilty and once again the accused is named but the accuser isn't . This is the case all the time !!!! Pisses me off . So whatever happens he will have a black mark over his name just like others that were found to be innocent and ruined there careers/ life . |
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"Lets see how much free speech we get on this subject in our supposedly free n democratic country...He's been accused of forcing a minor to have underage sex with him in the USA in a lawsuit which naturally has been denied by the Palace....Hopefully the Yanks will get to the bottom of these sordid tales a dam sight quicker than our Scum filled Establishment???"
I think you'll find our free and democratic country has permitted an accusation to be made,and the media to report it,and you to freely pass comment.
As for the scum filled establishment as you put it, you could always join it and introduce all the wonderful ideas you have to make it so much better ? |
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"Its wierd how some people will try n defend or protect anyone no matter how disgusting or barbaric the crimes just because theyr'e of the same political persuasion or class....Well I can promise you all that I for one won't let it continue for another 30 or 40 years until their dead n buried n evade justice....Justice for the victims/survivors I say n the sooner the better... "
for someone who is prepared to make such promises you must have evidence abound. The truth however or whatever it is will out and those who know and can prove it should be precise and deliberate in their presentation of it. So I suggest that instead of empty promises you stand up be a man and present your case not just here but in every public forum. Remembering that only the innocent are free from reprimand . |
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P.s. freedom is always challenged wether it's speech or movement it maybe that if your not satisfied with either you should change one or the other by affecting your rights as forcibly as possible!
Simple put up or.............F/O |
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"What happened to innocent until proven guilty and once again the accused is named but the accuser isn't . This is the case all the time !!!! Pisses me off . So whatever happens he will have a black mark over his name just like others that were found to be innocent and ruined there careers/ life . "
What happened..... The Media |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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For a start he has not been named in the lawsuit, therefore he will not have the chance to defend himself.
People like to jump to conclusions without bothering to look into the facts of the matter.
So much for innocent until guilty certain members here seem to believe in guilty before being charged |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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see.... the problem is that because the claim was made in court papers.... which means "at the moment" she is protected from any defermation charges.... and at this point cant be challenged legally
if they wanted to really put the pressure on this person.... he could wave his rights to the statue of limitations and having this out in court.... because knowingly filing a false charge is against the law
or challenge them to repeat the allegations outside of the court papers and he can go after them for defermation
the problem for them is she claims she has sex with andrew in LA, London and the British Virgin Islands... in the UK and BVI the age of consent is 16... its only in Florida and California where it is 18
because it is a civil case they are going after money from epstein |
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over a year ago
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"anyone can make an acusation most people jump to conclusions i trust the legal system and we are all innocent til proved guilty "
Naming and shaming turns this on its head: people end up guilty till proven innocent |
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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago
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"anyone can make an acusation most people jump to conclusions i trust the legal system and we are all innocent til proved guilty "
That's what I thought about Saville originally. He was dead,people coming out of the woodwork, years after the event. .
Guess what?
I changed my mind.
The old saying
'No smoke without fire'????
We'll see. . .
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I'd like to trust the system but nah, too many fuck ups for that to happen
Establishment's rule, 'the man' rarely loses 
There's always exceptions of course but I'd rather not presume whether they are innocent or guilty, just leads to 'I told you so / I knew it' scenarios. So I like the 'we'll see' approach. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Dear Jim,
Can you fix it for me to get Rolf Harris to play his didgeridoo for Princess Bea and Eugenie . . . "
It'll cost you firstly a Havana - followed by a prompt & rigid; "now then, now then!!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"But you're not repeating the news, are you? If you read above, he's an associate of the accused, not the accused!!!
According to the BBC the girl, who was underage at the time, says that he did have sex with her, so although he is not the accused, if she is telling the truth he is not exactly squeaky clean either.
"She claims that between 1999 and 2002 she was forced by Epstein to have sex with the prince when she was a minor.""
As I understand it she was a minor in the states. She was 17 at the time and whilst some people may find that age gap distasteful it is not illegal in this country and is not pedophilia.
What is relevant is whether she was coerced, paid to have sex with Andy and whether he knew or not. Of course the other question is did he have sex with someone under 16? |
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"There will be some scandal that may come out when prince Phillip passes......
He is not as clean and proper as people think "
Why do you feel it's in order to make derogatory , unsupported comments.
If you truly believe you know something about someone AND have proof say what it is and how you know.
Otherwise you are just spouting damaging drivel.
What is it EXACTLY that he has done ? |
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"There will be some scandal that may come out when prince Phillip passes......
He is not as clean and proper as people think "
then if you indeed 'know' something then do something, go to the police or the press..
or is it just plain old malicious gossip..? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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He is not accused of forcing anyone, the woman claims she was forced to by another woman, Robert Maxwell (darling of the left, once) daughter, to do anything he wanted... on 3 separate occasions... Once would be enough for many, and move away but apparently not. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"He'll never be charged!
Strangely enough he could just be innocent lol"
True ..but mud sticks .
There have always been scandals in the Royal family and as is normally the case we will never know the truth .. Just more fuel for people to have a rant over . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Lets see how much free speech we get on this subject in our supposedly free n democratic country...He's been accused of forcing a minor to have underage sex with him in the USA in a lawsuit which naturally has been denied by the Palace....Hopefully the Yanks will get to the bottom of these sordid tales a dam sight quicker than our Scum filled Establishment???"
i agree |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Who is the ex Prime Minister she is accusing as well? I can only assume its Major or Blair, because of when it all happened?!"
You never know, could be Maggie... |
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"He'll never be charged!
Strangely enough he could just be innocent lol
True ..but mud sticks .
There have always been scandals in the Royal family and as is normally the case we will never know the truth .. Just more fuel for people to have a rant over . "
I blame the gutter press for paying for stories |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i am unsure what he has actually done because ok in America its against the law to have sex with a minor (under 18) here its under 16 so actually at 17 it be quite legal here. |
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"i am unsure what he has actually done because ok in America its against the law to have sex with a minor (under 18) here its under 16 so actually at 17 it be quite legal here. "
It isn't legal to force a woman to have sex whatever age she is and he has been named as having had sex with a woman that had been forced into it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He'll never be charged!
Strangely enough he could just be innocent lol
True ..but mud sticks .
There have always been scandals in the Royal family and as is normally the case we will never know the truth .. Just more fuel for people to have a rant over .
I blame the gutter press for paying for stories"
And the press pay the police , who would trust either ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Who is the ex Prime Minister she is accusing as well? I can only assume its Major or Blair, because of when it all happened?!"
What makes you think it was a British one, many countries had a Prime Minister.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i am unsure what he has actually done because ok in America its against the law to have sex with a minor (under 18) here its under 16 so actually at 17 it be quite legal here.
It isn't legal to force a woman to have sex whatever age she is and he has been named as having had sex with a woman that had been forced into it."
He wouldn't known she was forced, as the story mentions...... |
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"i am unsure what he has actually done because ok in America its against the law to have sex with a minor (under 18) here its under 16 so actually at 17 it be quite legal here.
It isn't legal to force a woman to have sex whatever age she is and he has been named as having had sex with a woman that had been forced into it.
He wouldn't known she was forced, as the story mentions......"
That's true. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There will be some scandal that may come out when prince Phillip passes......
He is not as clean and proper as people think "
An interesting statement!
Now please state the facts as you know them, and the guaranteed reliable source of your information.
You obviously have this information, or you wouldn't have published the accusation...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you look into this womans history she has made allegations against several men which have not been proved looks like she wants a lot of money and publicity dont think a Royal would be so stupid really do you? |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"i am unsure what he has actually done because ok in America its against the law to have sex with a minor (under 18) here its under 16 so actually at 17 it be quite legal here. "
Until/unless it all goes to court and he is found culpable/guilty he hasn't done anything wrong.
So far it is merely accusations.
Like the response to people wanting to name anf shame on here. The usual response is that anyone can make an accusation against others but that doesn't mean it is true.
We shall have to wait and see. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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This may have been said already (can't be arsed to trawl through) but in Florida a minor is someone under 18. In the UK the legal age for consent to sexual activity is 16, so maybe not so horrific as first thought? |
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"There will be some scandal that may come out when prince Phillip passes......
He is not as clean and proper as people think
An interesting statement!
Now please state the facts as you know them, and the guaranteed reliable source of your information.
You obviously have this information, or you wouldn't have published the accusation...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"He'll never be charged!...I was just about to agree with you but then I thought you'd wrote he'll never change "
I was always he was let out on his own.....an inbred moron. No brain, no morals and no bloody use. |
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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago
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It's funny that some people can misquote the BBC and then say something is factual because it was on the news. When the BBC says something that they don't agree with then its an instrument of thé state |
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By *icky999Man
over a year ago
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"Who is the ex Prime Minister she is accusing as well? I can only assume its Major or Blair, because of when it all happened?!
You never know, could be Maggie..."
she was always f@!kin minors like!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Who is the ex Prime Minister she is accusing as well? I can only assume its Major or Blair, because of when it all happened?!
What makes you think it was a British one, many countries had a Prime Minister...."
Yeah, very true! Wonder who it is then? |
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