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By *nny OP   Man  over a year ago

Glasgow

A former editor of the BMJ reckons cancer is the best way to die.

Can he be right?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

NO

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

As someone who watched my mother die from liver cancer I'd disagree.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

What a nob......British Morons Journal?

My mother died of cancer....it wasn't pleasant!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The way he explains it maybe.


"You can say goodbye, reflect on your life, leave last messages, perhaps visit special places for a last time, listen to favourite pieces of music, read loved poems, and prepare, according to your beliefs, to meet your maker or enjoy eternal oblivion."

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By *asmanian TigerMan  over a year ago

lala land

No!!!! I have lost a very close friend to cancer and having seen him suffer the way he did it's not nice.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

What a cheerful thread for the first day of the year, lol

Personally, I have no plans on dying anytime soon, and to be honest, I can think of far more pleasant causes than Cancer.

When my number is eventually up, I hope that it will be relatively painless.

From what I understand, Cancer is anything but!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Never fails to amaze me the shit, some people spout!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

ive watched a person die from cancer and its wasnt pleasant as it was slow and dragged out - whatever takes a life if its pain free that would be ideal for the sufferer and those left behind - for some though its quick - no best way to die really

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

WTF UNREAL

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I've imagined my end to be both embarrassing and quick.

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By *hattyman80Man  over a year ago

stockport

My beat friend died in his sleep aged 32. No pain no suffering. That's the way to go in my opinion

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I couldn't say it would be the best but I get the sentiments behind it. You are given the chance to preparatory death and to some that's priceless

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I couldn't say it would be the best but I get the sentiments behind it. You are given the chance to preparatory death and to some that's priceless "

Prepare for*

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"My beat friend died in his sleep aged 32. No pain no suffering. That's the way to go in my opinion "

AH it's too young..

I'm sorry.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I watched my dad die slowly over a few years. It isn't the best way to die,he didn't say goodbye to anyone. He made use of his last years by keeping busy until his eyesight went. Then he lost his hearing and comprehension of life around him. He became a lifeless shell who had to be bathed,fed and watched over every minute of the day. I want to go quickly,better for me and my family

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The way he explains it maybe.

You can say goodbye, reflect on your life, leave last messages, perhaps visit special places for a last time, listen to favourite pieces of music, read loved poems, and prepare, according to your beliefs, to meet your maker or enjoy eternal oblivion."

if its expected it can also be managed well .. so i agree with the 'maybe'

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By *hattyman80Man  over a year ago

stockport


"My beat friend died in his sleep aged 32. No pain no suffering. That's the way to go in my opinion

AH it's too young..

I'm sorry."

Yeah I'm struggling with it but knowing he didn't suffer helps

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By *ranthamThroatMan  over a year ago

Grantham.


"A former editor of the BMJ reckons cancer is the best way to die.

Can he be right?"

Having had 3 members of my family die this way, I would have mixed reactions,. one was dead within 2 weeks of diagnosis, 2 a lot longer and suffered.

If the person did not suffer and it was quick and pain managed, who knows.

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By *corpio BrowneMan  over a year ago

London

Sometimes i despair as to whether those who govern our lives in their respective roles e.g medical professionals, politicians, social workers, et al , are living on the same planet as the rest of us !

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By *onbons_xxMan  over a year ago

Bolton

Ffs, cancer is a horrible illness, wouldn't wish it on anyone.

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By *icecouple561Couple  over a year ago
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East Sussex

It.very much depends. I watched a much loved relative die from a very rare form of cancer. They were relatively pain free and had very little invasive treatment. Their last 8 months of life were spent getting their affairs in order, doing things they wanted to do and allowed us all to say a long "goodbye I love you". This is not how it is for most people I know.

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By *ominantDogMan  over a year ago

Docklands, Exmoor, Manchester


"A former editor of the BMJ reckons cancer is the best way to die.

Can he be right?"

It would be the last option I would choose.

However, I am only talking from my experience of losing friends and family in a number of ways. He is just as entitled to his perspective.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

There is no best way to die....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

fuck no..iv had 4 of my family die of cancer in the past 20 years and it must be one of the most dreadful and undignified ways of leaving this world.the person who published this nonsense must be a right prick

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS  over a year ago

Limavady

My preference

Being shot dead by a jealous lover, at the age of 110 and in bed with an exhausted couple.

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By *eedelightsWoman  over a year ago

London

Having watched my mum go through cancer I can honestly say no it is not a good way to go. The time leading up to her death was nothing short of horrendous. And yes we were told that she didn't have much time left. And in some ways it gave us some time to sort some stuff out. But when the time came it hurt like hell ( still does)

Personally I think the bloke who wrote this artical is a bit of a numpty

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"There is no best way to die...."

I think you are right.

I'd rather concentrate on living!

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By *inaTitzTV/TS  over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Nope; when I was 18 I watched my dad die from cancer. It took a long time. If it wasn't for the inconvenience to all concerned, including the cleaner down the bus depot, a bus knocking me over may be preferable. Hopefully aged 150, not surrounded by nearest and dearest

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I couldn't say it would be the best but I get the sentiments behind it. You are given the chance to preparatory death and to some that's priceless "

I understood the OP that way too.

It's an interesting question. No need for people to get their knickers in a twist.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The way he explains it maybe.

You can say goodbye, reflect on your life, leave last messages, perhaps visit special places for a last time, listen to favourite pieces of music, read loved poems, and prepare, according to your beliefs, to meet your maker or enjoy eternal oblivion."

Thank you.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I couldn't say it would be the best but I get the sentiments behind it. You are given the chance to preparatory death and to some that's priceless

I understood the OP that way too.

It's an interesting question. No need for people to get their knickers in a twist. "

It's an emotive subject for a lot of people.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I couldn't say it would be the best but I get the sentiments behind it. You are given the chance to preparatory death and to some that's priceless

I understood the OP that way too.

It's an interesting question. No need for people to get their knickers in a twist. "

oh dear

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'd rather be beheaded by some jihady...ANYONE that can think its 'good' to suffer deserves what they preach.fucking idiot.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

so many other illnesses allow for plans to be made though - i dont see why pick out cancer

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By *ranthamThroatMan  over a year ago

Grantham.


"A former editor of the BMJ reckons cancer is the best way to die.

Can he be right?"

I would give him the answer that he is a right tit, the best way to die, is either in your sleep of falling down dead, no pain no hassle.

I care not for any paper he may have presented.

A quick painless death is a hell of a lot better than suffering for a long time, family suffering too, and patient being on morphine.

Where can I find him paper so I can answer him direct?

Private message obviously as you may not be allowed to post a link on forum.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The way he explains it maybe.

You can say goodbye, reflect on your life, leave last messages, perhaps visit special places for a last time, listen to favourite pieces of music, read loved poems, and prepare, according to your beliefs, to meet your maker or enjoy eternal oblivion."

I can see this to an extent - and knowing you're going to die has it's advantages.

In an ideal world i'd die on my 85th birthday, after a life free of illness and pain, after a farewell party for family and friends, in the arms of the man i love after great sex! Not much to ask?? Xx

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think I'd want to know the whole context of the article before castigating the guy as out of touch or callous.

I think there's a very valid point about being able to plan and prepare. In many ways that's easier for the people left behind to deal with than a sudden, unexpected death.

Cancer has a huge grip on the national consciousness because it touches so many of us - but compared with many other conditions/diseases/ways to go it is comparatively well funded and there is support available to people. And that's exactly as it should be, but sadly isn't the case in a lot of other areas of medicine. Cancer or kidney disease? Cancer or MS? Cancer or Alzheimer's?

It's not to diminish some of the horrific experiences people have had, but all in all, he may have a point on some level.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No

i recently lost my dad to cancer and the last few weeks was the hardest to see him slipping away and not being able to do anything

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think I'd want to know the whole context of the article before castigating the guy as out of touch or callous.

I think there's a very valid point about being able to plan and prepare. In many ways that's easier for the people left behind to deal with than a sudden, unexpected death.

Cancer has a huge grip on the national consciousness because it touches so many of us - but compared with many other conditions/diseases/ways to go it is comparatively well funded and there is support available to people. And that's exactly as it should be, but sadly isn't the case in a lot of other areas of medicine. Cancer or kidney disease? Cancer or MS? Cancer or Alzheimer's?

It's not to diminish some of the horrific experiences people have had, but all in all, he may have a point on some level. "

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By *nny OP   Man  over a year ago

Glasgow

Many of the responses centre on suffering but there's no need for suffering nowadays.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I can see what they mean regarding being able to prepare and say goodbye, but you can do that with other progressive illnesses too. Whatever is wrong with you, you do not always want to believe you are going to die and make those preparations.

Having watched my Mum die from womb cancer that finally spread to her brain, leaving her unable to communicate with me or anyone else for her last couple of weeks. I would not say it is the best way to die. I am not sure there is a best way to die. Even if it is best for you i.e. you die suddenly and painlessly, that is often harder for those left behind.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

What a stupid irresponsible thing to say

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Many of the responses centre on suffering but there's no need for suffering nowadays."

True,the nurses come and administer morphine. The person stops suffering and slowly dies

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By *onbons_xxMan  over a year ago

Bolton

Just to clarify, not having my 'ffs' aimed at the OP

Cancer is one if those areas where the stats speak for themselves and are probably under reported. I've seen people go through and have the treatment, it's humbling and heartbreaking at the same time.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The way he explains it maybe.

You can say goodbye, reflect on your life, leave last messages, perhaps visit special places for a last time, listen to favourite pieces of music, read loved poems, and prepare, according to your beliefs, to meet your maker or enjoy eternal oblivion.

Thank you. "

sorry...it seems a bit more about the person dying, rather than the peopeple who will be left behind.It might b ea great way to go...if one wants lots of sympathy etc

so...is suicide..or attempted suicide better?...it brings people together...yet promotes a REALLY vicious cycle(first hand experience of that with friends,family,patients)

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Many of the responses centre on suffering but there's no need for suffering nowadays."

Unfortunately that's all I've seen with the people I'd been looking after.

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By *nny OP   Man  over a year ago

Glasgow


"I can see what they mean regarding being able to prepare and say goodbye, but you can do that with other progressive illnesses too. Whatever is wrong with you, you do not always want to believe you are going to die and make those preparations.

Having watched my Mum die from womb cancer that finally spread to her brain, leaving her unable to communicate with me or anyone else for her last couple of weeks. I would not say it is the best way to die. I am not sure there is a best way to die. Even if it is best for you i.e. you die suddenly and painlessly, that is often harder for those left behind. "

Your last sentence is important. We are considering this from the point of view of those left behind. The truly compassionate way is to view it from the patient's point of view.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

My father, my best friend's mother and father and recently her mother in law died from cancer. They were all wonderful loving people who are sadly missed. My friend's mother in law was a quick diagnosis and a horrible death at the end. So it's a no and I hope the writer of the article never goes through this

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Let's not forget the surgery with weeks in hospital,chemo that makes you ill,losing all your hair,endless hospital appointments,radiotherapy,catheters,losing your dignity.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"My father, my best friend's mother and father and recently her mother in law died from cancer. They were all wonderful loving people who are sadly missed. My friend's mother in law was a quick diagnosis and a horrible death at the end. So it's a no and I hope the writer of the article never goes through this "

I apologise for my incorrect writing re article. got a bit insensed

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The way he explains it maybe.

You can say goodbye, reflect on your life, leave last messages, perhaps visit special places for a last time, listen to favourite pieces of music, read loved poems, and prepare, according to your beliefs, to meet your maker or enjoy eternal oblivion.

Thank you.

sorry...it seems a bit more about the person dying, rather than the peopeple who will be left behind.It might b ea great way to go...if one wants lots of sympathy etc

so...is suicide..or attempted suicide better?...it brings people together...yet promotes a REALLY vicious cycle(first hand experience of that with friends,family,patients)"

I think it's more about the people left behind actually - if it were just me alone in the world I'd want to go out like turning off a switch and not know anything about it. If I have family and friends I'd rather they were prepared and things like my funeral could be planned. Not for me as a patient but to make things easier for them. The chaos and trauma caused by sudden and unexpected deaths really can't be underestimated.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"What a stupid irresponsible thing to say "

fucking daft...and i see cancer as a simple genetic problem..it isn't an evil organism...

but to suggest its a 'good way to go'

FUCK off

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By *innamon!Woman  over a year ago

no matter

Absolutely not the best way. pain suffering disfigurement. Total loss of dignity

no way

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I can see what they mean regarding being able to prepare and say goodbye, but you can do that with other progressive illnesses too. Whatever is wrong with you, you do not always want to believe you are going to die and make those preparations.

Having watched my Mum die from womb cancer that finally spread to her brain, leaving her unable to communicate with me or anyone else for her last couple of weeks. I would not say it is the best way to die. I am not sure there is a best way to die. Even if it is best for you i.e. you die suddenly and painlessly, that is often harder for those left behind.

Your last sentence is important. We are considering this from the point of view of those left behind. The truly compassionate way is to view it from the patient's point of view."

your talking PISH again.

why would someone think more of themselves as they die than those they care for who will survive them...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

We haven't got a say in how we go anyway.

So in effect this discussion is pointless.

Right?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We haven't got a say in how we go anyway.

So in effect this discussion is pointless.

Right? "

unless you choose suicide

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By *bony in IvoryCouple  over a year ago

Black&White Utopia

Think I will consentrate on the best way to Live, than dwell on the bad or good way ta die ... Memories live on in others too ... I wanna make em good ones . ... Ps Happy New Year all!

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By *nny OP   Man  over a year ago

Glasgow


"I can see what they mean regarding being able to prepare and say goodbye, but you can do that with other progressive illnesses too. Whatever is wrong with you, you do not always want to believe you are going to die and make those preparations.

Having watched my Mum die from womb cancer that finally spread to her brain, leaving her unable to communicate with me or anyone else for her last couple of weeks. I would not say it is the best way to die. I am not sure there is a best way to die. Even if it is best for you i.e. you die suddenly and painlessly, that is often harder for those left behind.

Your last sentence is important. We are considering this from the point of view of those left behind. The truly compassionate way is to view it from the patient's point of view.

your talking PISH again.

why would someone think more of themselves as they die than those they care for who will survive them..."

If you get someone to read what I wrote out to you, you may see that your response has no bearing on my post.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

at work i see a lot of people at the end of life...i can certainly see what he means in some ways...the households i go to are sometimes the happiest, most peaceful and relaxed places suprisingly...once the person knows what is ahead its as if everyone around,however sad they are ,can somehow relax...there's nothing really left to worry about as regards the future for that person and they can concentrate on each other in a far simpler way....i have lost family to cancer and its undeniably horrible,and unfortunately,not always pain free nowadays, there are sometimes reasons medical or otherwise, that morphine etc cannot be given,and seeing a family member in pain is awful.....but yes, i can sort of see, having read a bit more of the context, what he is saying.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Many of the responses centre on suffering but there's no need for suffering nowadays."

Yes this is very true, suffering can be eased, in most cases, for the sufferer, unfortunately not so for their loved ones.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I can see what they mean regarding being able to prepare and say goodbye, but you can do that with other progressive illnesses too. Whatever is wrong with you, you do not always want to believe you are going to die and make those preparations.

Having watched my Mum die from womb cancer that finally spread to her brain, leaving her unable to communicate with me or anyone else for her last couple of weeks. I would not say it is the best way to die. I am not sure there is a best way to die. Even if it is best for you i.e. you die suddenly and painlessly, that is often harder for those left behind.

Your last sentence is important. We are considering this from the point of view of those left behind. The truly compassionate way is to view it from the patient's point of view."

Yes I agree. I think hospices have the pain management spot on, I think for those wishing to remain at home though it can sometimes be more difficult. The district nurses are stretched and can't always get there immediately. Once the morphine driver is in , that controls the pain. Before then though , I did see my Mum in pain. My close friend also said the same and she nursed her husband at home like we did. Having seen a loved one die from a heart attack - that seemed less suffering, more shocking for us. I'll never know though until it's me, as you can't ask the sufferers once they've gone.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We haven't got a say in how we go anyway.

So in effect this discussion is pointless.

Right?

unless you choose suicide"

That's usually down to mental distress/illness.

It isn't usually a choice.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Think I will consentrate on the best way to Live, than dwell on the bad or good way ta die ... Memories live on in others too ... I wanna make em good ones . ... Ps Happy New Year all! "

I always say 'best wishes'..saves the happy element lol

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By *L RogueMan  over a year ago

London


"Never fails to amaze me the shit, some people spout! "

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman  over a year ago

evesham


"We haven't got a say in how we go anyway.

So in effect this discussion is pointless.

Right? "

suicide gives you a say if you really want one.

I dont think that the guy who said this was saying it is a painless way to die, just that it allowed people time to come to terms with their mortality, finish things they wanted to finish, resolve conflicts with people, make sure that their funeral costs ere covered so as not to burden family etc. in essence some people have time to be ready to die. I suspect he may have been misquoted to provide the biggest headline impact.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

My opinion is when a person is diagnosed with cancer it gives them time to put life in order and do things. Alot of people who die suddenly don't have that option.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We haven't got a say in how we go anyway.

So in effect this discussion is pointless.

Right?

unless you choose suicide

That's usually down to mental distress/illness.

It isn't usually a choice.

"

if I went on maslow's hierarchy of need I could say a truly self actualized person may have the right to commit suicide...but as its a flawed theory..I could never know who should be allowed to commit it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think I'd want to know the whole context of the article before castigating the guy as out of touch or callous.

I think there's a very valid point about being able to plan and prepare. In many ways that's easier for the people left behind to deal with than a sudden, unexpected death.

Cancer has a huge grip on the national consciousness because it touches so many of us - but compared with many other conditions/diseases/ways to go it is comparatively well funded and there is support available to people. And that's exactly as it should be, but sadly isn't the case in a lot of other areas of medicine. Cancer or kidney disease? Cancer or MS? Cancer or Alzheimer's?

It's not to diminish some of the horrific experiences people have had, but all in all, he may have a point on some level. "

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman  over a year ago

little house on the praire

My great aunt died within 6 days of being diagnosed, only pain for two days, however I believe this to be the exception.

When my grandma died my main regret was and still is that she didn't die three months earlier no one deserves that. A good friend died a couple of years ago and spent her last months screaming in agony.

How can anyone possibly say that's the best way to die.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I couldn't say it would be the best but I get the sentiments behind it. You are given the chance to preparatory death and to some that's priceless

Prepare for*"

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By *nny OP   Man  over a year ago

Glasgow

Sky's take on what he said.

http://news.sky.com/story/1400663/cancer-is-the-best-way-to-die-says-doctor

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By *bfoxxxMan  over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

I'm not expert.

There's alot to be said for

'Hope I die before I get old'

to which it would add or get something nasty.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We haven't got a say in how we go anyway.

So in effect this discussion is pointless.

Right?

unless you choose suicide

That's usually down to mental distress/illness.

It isn't usually a choice.

if I went on maslow's hierarchy of need I could say a truly self actualized person may have the right to commit suicide...but as its a flawed theory..I could never know who should be allowed to commit it."

I've no idea.

Pm me to explain maslow's hierarchy will you?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I would have thought the best way for swingers to go would be......

la mort d'amour

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By *iss_Samantha_LovecockTV/TS  over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford

what a fuckin moron .. maybe he wants to die of cancer .. i can think of lotsa better ways to die hope he gets his wish ..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I've seen lots of people die from cancer, not once did I think "that's the way I'd like to go"!

The best way would be quietly, in your sleep at a ripe old age knowing your children are all grown up, happy and healthy.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Let's not forget the surgery with weeks in hospital,chemo that makes you ill,losing all your hair,endless hospital appointments,radiotherapy,catheters,losing your dignity. "

watched a year of that - was all that last year was about - no time or energy for much else

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Despite the derivative comments I believe if you approach thus laterally he has a point.

He doesnt suggest Cancer itself and the pain is the best way, but the fact that whilst cruel, a slow passing allows some acceptance for some and the ability to make choices.

Its a sorrowful subject...any death is but losing a loved one suddenly is brutal,for instance in an RTC it leaves you without the chance to say those things that may matter or even be with them when they pass...something many are robbed of ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

The best way would be quietly, in your sleep at a ripe old age knowing your children are all grown up, happy and healthy."

This

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By *iss_Samantha_LovecockTV/TS  over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


"My opinion is when a person is diagnosed with cancer it gives them time to put life in order and do things. Alot of people who die suddenly don't have that option. "

well id still rather die quickly even if i hadnt sorted stuff out..anyway u can but stuff in order without having cancer .

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman  over a year ago

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part of the report i read also relates to the money spent on finding cures or prolonging a persons life through research etc. In his blog Dr Smith quoted the Spanish filmmaker Luis Buñuel who warned that many patients risked suffering a ‘horrible death, kept at bay by the miracles of modern medicine.’

for all of those (myself included as i have lost loved ones to cancer), would you have preferred your loved one not to have had the life prolonging medication and treatments they had?

I am not sure to be honest. Part of me thinks that we should do all we can to help sufferers and sometimes the treatments work better than people expect but then on the other hand, if the person that is ill knows there is no cure available why should we subject them to treatments that just prolong their life because we dont want to say goodbye.

Its a tricky and very emotive subject. Hard to discuss logically without our emotions becoming entwined and hitting out at someone because of their opinion (and wishing death upon someone as others have done on here which is not pretty).

Dr Smith did acknowledge that his comments were a romantic view of dying but achievable with love morphine and whisky.

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By *ce WingerMan  over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Both my parents died as a result of cancer, my mother 2 days before my 7th birthday and my father when I was 21. I can assure anyone that cancer is a horrible lingering death

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


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for all of those (myself included as i have lost loved ones to cancer), would you have preferred your loved one not to have had the life prolonging medication and treatments they had?

I am not sure to be honest. Part of me thinks that we should do all we can to help sufferers and sometimes the treatments work better than people expect but then on the other hand, if the person that is ill knows there is no cure available why should we subject them to treatments that just prolong their life because we dont want to say goodbye."

I guess it is down to the sufferer and what they want, if they are aware of the facts and the chances of a treatment working. Some will choose to do nothing and others will throw themselves into every treatment they can.

The benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing. I wish my Mum had not had chemotherapy and radiotherapy, as it did not help. She lost her hair and was in extra pain from those treatments, which did not help the cancer at all. However, I know that she felt she may be helping future patients, as how her cancer spread was rare. So she wanted to at least try. We can all only do what we feel is the best thing at that given moment.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

After reading some of your quotes, may I present the way I feel about this whole cancer business??

By the way, I am extremely fortunate to have a close and beautiful family around me, they all know the way I was born regarding my androgynous character......Yes, I am extremely fortunate and I thank providence for this every day.........

But......

I watched both my parents die from cancer.......

Dad four years ago,

Mum only last May.

I sat there, along with my brother and three sisters watching the final hours...

(Both our parents were in their 70's)

I watched my parents entire countenance turn into something I hardly could ever describe, those final hours for these fine folk were horrific.

I said after Mum had suffered this,

"If I were to be told I had a limited time because of this dreadful disease, I SHALL CHOOSE MY OWN TIME TO GO, VIA MY OWN HAND".

All my family including my two lovely daughters now accept this.

I have no fear whatsoever of death.

It's one thing in all our lives which is unequivocally definite, certain, absolutely unavoidable.

That said, whatever argument, re, 'the morality of suicide, to me at least, becomes totally irrelevant.

At the very least, even though I know my family (and friends) would be heartbroken if I were to 'leave' them, they are well aware of my feelings concerning any terminal illness, not just cancer, that I may be unfortunate enough to contract in the future.

After all, would we allow a loved animal to lie and suffer....??

On a final note, I would say that our health services are better directed, in my personal view, at helping the curable, especially some of the poor suffering children......

Knowing the fact that there are little kids out there suffering and dying every single day of my own (comfortable) life, never escapes me.

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By *nny OP   Man  over a year ago

Glasgow


"Both my parents died as a result of cancer, my mother 2 days before my 7th birthday and my father when I was 21. I can assure anyone that cancer is a horrible lingering death "

Remember, that was 30+ years ago and palliative care has improved out of all recognition.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Never fails to amaze me the shit, some people spout! "

Iagree 100%. I have seen two very close loved ones die of this horrible and cruel disease and the title of this thread is unbelievable. That is one of the most upsetting comments I've ever read on here. I really wish I hadn't bledi loged on now

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By *ce WingerMan  over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"Both my parents died as a result of cancer, my mother 2 days before my 7th birthday and my father when I was 21. I can assure anyone that cancer is a horrible lingering death

Remember, that was 30+ years ago and palliative care has improved out of all recognition."

True enough, but there are only a small percentage of cancers that are treatable resulting in being given the all clear. Most you can go into is remission at best, I know things have improved considerably in the last 30/40 yrs, but it's still not a nice way to die

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Never fails to amaze me the shit, some people spout!

Iagree 100%. I have seen two very close loved ones die of this horrible and cruel disease and the title of this thread is unbelievable. That is one of the most upsetting comments I've ever read on here. I really wish I hadn't bledi loged on now "

I don't think the title of this thread or the way the comment has been reported is accurately reflective of the thrust of the actual article. Not only sensationalist journalism but having the power to really upset people too

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By *nny OP   Man  over a year ago

Glasgow


"Never fails to amaze me the shit, some people spout!

Iagree 100%. I have seen two very close loved ones die of this horrible and cruel disease and the title of this thread is unbelievable. That is one of the most upsetting comments I've ever read on here. I really wish I hadn't bledi loged on now

I don't think the title of this thread or the way the comment has been reported is accurately reflective of the thrust of the actual article. Not only sensationalist journalism but having the power to really upset people too

"

I tried to make it clear in the OP that the doc's opinion was open to question.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Many of the responses centre on suffering but there's no need for suffering nowadays.

Unfortunately that's all I've seen with the people I'd been looking after."

same here, even with the highest doses of painkillers some are still in a lot of pain

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Despite the derivative comments I believe if you approach thus laterally he has a point.

He doesnt suggest Cancer itself and the pain is the best way, but the fact that whilst cruel, a slow passing allows some acceptance for some and the ability to make choices.

Its a sorrowful subject...any death is but losing a loved one suddenly is brutal,for instance in an RTC it leaves you without the chance to say those things that may matter or even be with them when they pass...something many are robbed of ?"

Once you are dead you know nothing. I would rather go to bed tonight and not wake up than be told I have cancer and will have months maybe years of treatment that will only prolong my waiting. My children,grandchildren and family will mourn me regardless off how I die. I don't need to say goodbye or do anything before I go. Once I am gone it's all irrelevant. Go to a children's ward and see the pain. Ask someone who had cancer treatment and they may not say they would go through it again

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Once you are dead you know nothing. I would rather go to bed tonight and not wake up than be told I have cancer and will have months maybe years of treatment that will only prolong my waiting. My children,grandchildren and family will mourn me regardless off how I die. I don't need to say goodbye or do anything before I go. Once I am gone it's all irrelevant. Go to a children's ward and see the pain. Ask someone who had cancer treatment and they may not say they would go through it again

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

my parents and godmother died from it, it was awful seeing them like that, but is there ever a good way to die I don't know.

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By *uttyjonnMan  over a year ago

SEA


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As someone who watched my mother die from liver cancer I'd disagree. "

Can't read the full thread but as above - its a no from me

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Have a listen to the Reith Lectures on R4 by Dr Atal Gawande. Very interesting.

I have seen people die well and die badly of various cancers and, in the past, of AIDS. A lot of it is down to how you live with what you have and how those around you respond. The drugs are there to ease the pain if you want them but with the drugs come other limiting factors.

It's a personal experience.

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By *bony in IvoryCouple  over a year ago

Black&White Utopia


"My opinion is when a person is diagnosed with cancer it gives them time to put life in order and do things. Alot of people who die suddenly don't have that option. "
thinking outside the box for a bit ... Why wait to get the news of any illness to get our lives in order and do things?

Think we all can be guilty of plodding along in life forgetting that none of us get out alive ...

I too have had things happen in my life that made me stop n take stock of all ... And re evaluate my whole being .... Nowadays the stupid, small things many concern themselves with don't even touch me ... Life is really for living as we are dead along time ... Where ever and however that happens... End result still the same

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Because many leave others behind who need Things put in place.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We haven't got a say in how we go anyway.

So in effect this discussion is pointless.

Right?

unless you choose suicide

That's usually down to mental distress/illness.

It isn't usually a choice.

if I went on maslow's hierarchy of need I could say a truly self actualized person may have the right to commit suicide...but as its a flawed theory..I could never know who should be allowed to commit it."

How can a person not have a right to commit suicide? It's up to the person, no-one else.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We haven't got a say in how we go anyway.

So in effect this discussion is pointless.

Right?

suicide gives you a say if you really want one.

I dont think that the guy who said this was saying it is a painless way to die, just that it allowed people time to come to terms with their mortality, finish things they wanted to finish, resolve conflicts with people, make sure that their funeral costs ere covered so as not to burden family etc. in essence some people have time to be ready to die. I suspect he may have been misquoted to provide the biggest headline impact."

He's just a guy making comments. He's not making laws that will mean everyone will die of cancer! Of course cancer is horrendous.

I've read the article and disagree with most of what he says. But agree with some points.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Cancer is a horrible slow way to die.

When I go, I hope it's in the same manner as my old man - whilst paragliding, he decided to have a fight with a mountain, and the mountain won.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

If you die in your sleep with no warning you don't have to come to terms with any. You cease to be. Yes,your family will be upset,shocked at you suddenly being gone and maybe they have to deal with things you left behind but I can't see that being ad bad as watching them die slowly. If you left some arguments unsettled or monies owed it wouldn't be better for you,the dead person,to have settled before passing.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Cancer is an awefull death

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

A shoot out like Butch Cassidy....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Good quality palliative care equates to a "good death". Symptom management in the patient's chosen environment. Death is not impeded or hastened and significant others are supported also. End of life is not only cancers but end stage chronic diseases.

My heart despairs when all dying patients cannot access this due to insufficient staffing levels.

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The news reports for the front pages say that two thirds of cancers are just down to bad luck on cell mutations. Only a third are affected by healthy lifestyles.

That doesn't go far enough to explaining the increase in cancers but maybe that is down to better detection and living longer.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Gob smacked.

Haven't read all the replies, I don't have time im about to head to work to care for people dying of cancer. Some people can have "nice deaths" and a easy cancer journey, relatively pain free. For the majority this is not the case. People plan to do things to prepare but cancer often weakens them too quickly and dependant on the cancer the death can be a pretty horrific if they are not correctly medicated.

As for the not I glimsed about increase of cancer, it could be due to us being more aware of cancer and diagnosing it sooner where as in the past a older person would of died of old age and a younger person from a illness that often occurs from cancer such as pneumonia

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Well who ever said this hope he gets it and suffers the amount of pain people go through with this disease. I watched my mum waste away and die of this not very nice at all ......... He's a tosser who wrote it

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Gob smacked.

Haven't read all the replies, I don't have time im about to head to work to care for people dying of cancer. Some people can have "nice deaths" and a easy cancer journey, relatively pain free. For the majority this is not the case. People plan to do things to prepare but cancer often weakens them too quickly and dependant on the cancer the death can be a pretty horrific if they are not correctly medicated.

As for the not I glimsed about increase of cancer, it could be due to us being more aware of cancer and diagnosing it sooner where as in the past a older person would of died of old age and a younger person from a illness that often occurs from cancer such as pneumonia "

My dad passed away after having throat cancer. had all the treatments, couldn't eat after a period of time and was tube fed at home by my mum. He was was misdiagnosed originally with depression, total fuckup on dr's part, by the time they did diagnose, all they could do was treat him. The cause of death was pneumonia but his family know the real cause of death. yes he did have it but had they not screwed up in the first place, my dad may have still been here

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I have witnessed one person already die from throat cancer and now a good friend of mine has stage 4 in bowel, stumoch and lungs ..... This is one of the worst ways to die and the worst thread ive ever seen on fab!

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By *uke olovingmanMan  over a year ago

Gravesend

OK .. This is flippant.. But from an astrological perspective . with Scorpio would be a good way to go

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"OK .. This is flippant.. But from an astrological perspective . with Scorpio would be a good way to go "

Never lost anyone from cancer then? I certainly hope you never do!

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By *empting Devil.Woman  over a year ago

Sheffield


"Many of the responses centre on suffering but there's no need for suffering nowadays."

It all depends on thr kind of cancer. Some cancers cause a lot of pain and also embarrassing and undignified procedures. Many of the treatments for cancer are worse than the actual disease. And as for morphine being the answer to the pain: not everyone can tolerate morphine and it comes with problems and side effects too. Personally I throw up violently on morphine and it causes some people painful constipation.

Knowing you have a disease which is also potentially a legacy that could decimate your loved ones after you've gone does not make for peace of mind either.

I understand his point, that a monitered death with plenty of pain relief and good care from doctors and nurses possibly in a hospice and being told relatively accurately how long you have left so you can set things in order well that sounds great. But it's not really like that for many people.

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By *uke olovingmanMan  over a year ago

Gravesend


"OK .. This is flippant.. But from an astrological perspective . with Scorpio would be a good way to go

Never lost anyone from cancer then? I certainly hope you never do! "

cancer is a horrid miserable terrifying disease... I meant no offence to anyone ..just tried to lighten the thread .. I apologise whole heartedly for upsetting anyone

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


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I dont think that the guy who said this was saying it is a painless way to die, just that it allowed people time to come to terms with their mortality, finish things they wanted to finish, resolve conflicts with people, make sure that their funeral costs ere covered so as not to burden family etc. in essence some people have time to be ready to die. I suspect he may have been misquoted to provide the biggest headline impact."

Every Person should ensure they have all matters mentioned above at hand and ensure they are prepared for when the time comes

at the minimum everyone should have;

1; funeral plan or at least pay one up

2; Will

3; registered Powers of Attorney

4; speak to family members about this and what you want when the time comes, make them aware you have all 4 items above and where they are located and remember you may not die right away so - registered Powers of Attorney is very important and worth the cost even though it is not cheap

We are all responsible for our own matters in life and ideally in past life, do you really want to be a Burdon to your family?

This is a new start to 2015, take account of your life and ensure you have things in place to help and support your family when the time comes.

.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"OK .. This is flippant.. But from an astrological perspective . with Scorpio would be a good way to go

Never lost anyone from cancer then? I certainly hope you never do! cancer is a horrid miserable terrifying disease... I meant no offence to anyone ..just tried to lighten the thread .. I apologise whole heartedly for upsetting anyone"

no probs..we know you meant no offence..but it is a touchy subject for a lot of folk

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"OK .. This is flippant.. But from an astrological perspective . with Scorpio would be a good way to go

Never lost anyone from cancer then? I certainly hope you never do! cancer is a horrid miserable terrifying disease... I meant no offence to anyone ..just tried to lighten the thread .. I apologise whole heartedly for upsetting anyone"

Death - the act itself is depressing I agree but life is for living and humour is allowed!

It is what makes us human.

I've had plenty of horrific stuff happen to me but I am allowed to smile and be silly as is everyone else.

Right?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


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I SHALL CHOOSE MY OWN TIME TO GO, VIA MY OWN HAND".

All my family including my two lovely daughters now accept this.

I have no fear whatsoever of death.

It's one thing in all our lives which is unequivocally definite, certain, absolutely unavoidable.

That said, whatever argument, re, 'the morality of suicide, to me at least, becomes totally irrelevant.

At the very least, even though I know my family (and friends) would be heartbroken if I were to 'leave' them, they are well aware of my feelings concerning any terminal illness, not just cancer, that I may be unfortunate enough to contract in the future.

After all, would we allow a loved animal to lie and suffer....??

"

Its a sad day when we see a loved pet / animal suffer and we will nurse and treat until the time comes that we have a choice of letting the animal / pet suffer continuous pain or in its own home in its own surroundings we have a vet come out and put it to sleep as we hold it lovingly in our arms

and yet; we let humans go on and suffer in pain knowing there is no return

I agree with the comments above and think when the final days come you should be allowed to take your own life without having to fund and fly to another country to carry this out.

Sadly some cannot end their own life by their own hand and they will incriminate others who want to assist

.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

My partner drown during an epileptic fit selfish reasons id say i wish wed have had more time together if i could choose a way to die id suffer.... To see my children for as long as possible say goodbyes

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Both my grandads went quick. One in his sleep, the other from a bleed on the brain. Both rather shocking to us left behind. But at least neither suffered. I've seen three people in my family die from cancer. And I really wouldn't wish it on anybody. To say cancer is a good way to go. Makes me wonder why he would say or even choose it!!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Cancer can be a horrible lingering death and can go on for years . Seen what it can do to people and you would not wish that on your loved ones ... if an Animal we would put them to sleep .. Lung cancer my Grandad had this. Its not away to die and not a smoker .

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my Grandad.... Not screaming and crying like the passengers on his bus!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my Grandad.... Not screaming and crying like the passengers on his bus! "

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

My mum had ms for 30 years. She also had cancer twice. She was happy with her second diagnosis as she thought it would take her quicker than the ms. MS is a dreadful disease. It stole pieces of her slowly.

Unfortunately, the cancer didn't progress quickly enough for her. It was the ms which got her in the end. Believe me that was very unpleasant. Far worse than other relatives who succumbed to cancer.

It all depends on context and situation.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"OK .. This is flippant.. But from an astrological perspective . with Scorpio would be a good way to go

Never lost anyone from cancer then? I certainly hope you never do! cancer is a horrid miserable terrifying disease... I meant no offence to anyone ..just tried to lighten the thread .. I apologise whole heartedly for upsetting anyone

Death - the act itself is depressing I agree but life is for living and humour is allowed!

It is what makes us human.

I've had plenty of horrific stuff happen to me but I am allowed to smile and be silly as is everyone else.

Right?

"

I never said nobody could not smile and be silly but there is a time and a place as the man in question has realised and apologised publicly.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"OK .. This is flippant.. But from an astrological perspective . with Scorpio would be a good way to go

Never lost anyone from cancer then? I certainly hope you never do! cancer is a horrid miserable terrifying disease... I meant no offence to anyone ..just tried to lighten the thread .. I apologise whole heartedly for upsetting anyone"

Thank you

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"OK .. This is flippant.. But from an astrological perspective . with Scorpio would be a good way to go

Never lost anyone from cancer then? I certainly hope you never do! cancer is a horrid miserable terrifying disease... I meant no offence to anyone ..just tried to lighten the thread .. I apologise whole heartedly for upsetting anyone

Death - the act itself is depressing I agree but life is for living and humour is allowed!

It is what makes us human.

I've had plenty of horrific stuff happen to me but I am allowed to smile and be silly as is everyone else.

Right?

I never said nobody could not smile and be silly but there is a time and a place as the man in question has realised and apologised publicly. "

Sometimes it can pop up.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"My mum had ms for 30 years. She also had cancer twice. She was happy with her second diagnosis as she thought it would take her quicker than the ms. MS is a dreadful disease. It stole pieces of her slowly.

Unfortunately, the cancer didn't progress quickly enough for her. It was the ms which got her in the end. Believe me that was very unpleasant. Far worse than other relatives who succumbed to cancer.

It all depends on context and situation. "

I agree, it totally depends on context. If you'd just posted the sentence 'my mum was happy with her cancer diagnosis' the inference is very different.

The Doctor referred to in the OP may well have been misquoted. And/ or misunderstood. x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The way he explains it maybe.

You can say goodbye, reflect on your life, leave last messages, perhaps visit special places for a last time, listen to favourite pieces of music, read loved poems, and prepare, according to your beliefs, to meet your maker or enjoy eternal oblivion."

Now that piece makes real sense of the statement...people die of a lot of things and none are pleasant to those left behind

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By *iuliettaWoman  over a year ago

DEVIZES

My husband lived a year and a day from diagnosis, he died of Glioblastoma Multiforme. none of the chemotherapy worked, only the radiotherapy delayed it a little, he was able to sort out all his paperwork etc before he lost the ability to think and talk. Mercifully he only deteriorated really fast in the last 3 weeks, became blind and paralysed but was largely unaware of it,

What would frighten me would be dying of cancer and still being in my right mind to the end.

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"My mum had ms for 30 years. She also had cancer twice. She was happy with her second diagnosis as she thought it would take her quicker than the ms. MS is a dreadful disease. It stole pieces of her slowly.

Unfortunately, the cancer didn't progress quickly enough for her. It was the ms which got her in the end. Believe me that was very unpleasant. Far worse than other relatives who succumbed to cancer.

It all depends on context and situation.

I agree, it totally depends on context. If you'd just posted the sentence 'my mum was happy with her cancer diagnosis' the inference is very different.

The Doctor referred to in the OP may well have been misquoted. And/ or misunderstood. x"

And my father's death due to pneumonia was equally unpleasant far more than when my aunt and cousin died of cancer.

It may seem insensitive for a doctor to say that cancer is the best death but he surely means in comparison to others. He has no doubt a great deal of experience of seeing death in its many unpleasant forms. Far more perhaps than most of us.

The thing with cancer is that it is so emotive to many people. Seeing someone you love die of it is deeply upsetting to say the least. And if you have never witnessed other forms of death then to you cancer may appear to be the worst death.

But it really isn't. Some deaths from cancer may be but not all. And with modern pain relief is not always the agonising death it once was. Of course, this is all generalising and it is not my intention to offend anyone or minimise or trivialise people's individual experiences.

My mother's first cancer diagnosis terrified her. As a nurse of 25 years experience she knew what it meant. She survived it. But she also knew what ms had in store for her, having also nursed this. Therefore, after her second cancer diagnosis she seemed quite happy. So much so that it took the consultant aback until she explained the form of ms she had. Then he understood completely.

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By *G LanaTV/TS  over a year ago

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"A former editor of the BMJ reckons cancer is the best way to die.

Can he be right?"

I hope he has the strength of his convictions and is therefore enjoying a full range of mutagens and exposing himself to lots of radiation.

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