the sensible thing would have been to have assessed her at Heathrow when she told the staff there upon arrival that she felt ill..
to not have enough testing kits and staff on duty when they know how many volunteers are returning is a joke..
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"the sensible thing would have been to have assessed her at Heathrow when she told the staff there upon arrival that she felt ill..
to not have enough testing kits and staff on duty when they know how many volunteers are returning is a joke..
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The sensible thing would have been to quarantine her before she was allowed to set foot on an aeroplane full of people. |
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"the sensible thing would have been to have assessed her at Heathrow when she told the staff there upon arrival that she felt ill..
to not have enough testing kits and staff on duty when they know how many volunteers are returning is a joke..
The sensible thing would have been to quarantine her before she was allowed to set foot on an aeroplane full of people."
Yep , they're changing what they do now though aren't they for future returnees. |
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"the sensible thing would have been to have assessed her at Heathrow when she told the staff there upon arrival that she felt ill..
to not have enough testing kits and staff on duty when they know how many volunteers are returning is a joke..
The sensible thing would have been to quarantine her before she was allowed to set foot on an aeroplane full of people.
Yep , they're changing what they do now though aren't they for future returnees. "
Common sense would dictate that they should have always done it to stop the spread internationally.... |
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"Or to probably the best isolation unit in the country. And the most appropriate doctors"
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Lots & lots of governments getting in a tizzy about nothing .with the standard of healthier care in the west the chances of this becoming an epidemic are tiny .its a non air Bourne contagion spread by contact with bodily fluids . But you can bet the pharmasutical companies are raking in millions from there attempts to find a cure/ vaccine as they did with SARS, bird flu, etc . |
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"the sensible thing would have been to have assessed her at Heathrow when she told the staff there upon arrival that she felt ill..
to not have enough testing kits and staff on duty when they know how many volunteers are returning is a joke..
The sensible thing would have been to quarantine her before she was allowed to set foot on an aeroplane full of people."
would totally agree but that's commom sense and costs money so probably wont happen.. |
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"Lots & lots of governments getting in a tizzy about nothing .with the standard of healthier care in the west the chances of this becoming an epidemic are tiny .its a non air Bourne contagion spread by contact with bodily fluids . But you can bet the pharmasutical companies are raking in millions from there attempts to find a cure/ vaccine as they did with SARS, bird flu, etc ."
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"Or to probably the best isolation unit in the country. And the most appropriate doctors
And you don't think that the isolation unit could have been built in an isolated place or that the medical staff required to run it could travel to the unit when needed?"
are you incapable of accepting the facts as they are now..?
you seem to be looking at things in some strange way whereby the reality is skewed.. |
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Common sense would dictate that they should have always done it to stop the spread internationally...."
points scoring........
its this type of thing that really... really annoys me...
"stop the spread internationally" soundbite good.. so lets see the numbers...
do you know how many people outside of those who have been to africa have actually contracted ebola from someone else....
the answer is 3..... 2 nurses in the US, 1 nurse in spain.....
3.......
sorry.... let me know when i should start fearmongering.....
p.s more that 3 people are likely to die from the flu today in the UK..... let that be a comparison that sinks in...... |
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"Or to probably the best isolation unit in the country. And the most appropriate doctors
And you don't think that the isolation unit could have been built in an isolated place or that the medical staff required to run it could travel to the unit when needed?"
you think this medical centre has been built especially for ebola?????
actually this specialist unit with these specialist beds has always been the UK centre for infectious dieases.... so if someone were to get for example yellow fever... or bubonic plague ect ect.. they would also be sent here...
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Common sense would dictate that they should have always done it to stop the spread internationally....
points scoring........
its this type of thing that really... really annoys me...
"stop the spread internationally" soundbite good.. so lets see the numbers...
do you know how many people outside of those who have been to africa have actually contracted ebola from someone else....
the answer is 3..... 2 nurses in the US, 1 nurse in spain.....
3.......
sorry.... let me know when i should start fearmongering.....
p.s more that 3 people are likely to die from the flu today in the UK..... let that be a comparison that sinks in......"
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"Or to probably the best isolation unit in the country. And the most appropriate doctors
And you don't think that the isolation unit could have been built in an isolated place or that the medical staff required to run it could travel to the unit when needed?
you think this medical centre has been built especially for ebola?????
actually this specialist unit with these specialist beds has always been the UK centre for infectious dieases.... so if someone were to get for example yellow fever... or bubonic plague ect ect.. they would also be sent here...
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Really...
Up until the mid 90's we had a fully functioning military hospitals with medical personnel trained to operate in lethal NBC environments. We also had a high security isolation unit in CDE Porton Down for the treatment of highly lethal infections. However the Tory government of the day decided that they could save money by closing these facilities.
I think that some things should not be driven by profit and that our government are stripping out even the most basic safety precautions if they think they can get away with it and save some money to pass on to their super wealthy paymasters. I also think that we have been so manipulated and insulated from unpleasant truths that we have become complacent, and that we refuse to acknowledge any risk that may cost the rich any part of the wealth they have stripped out of this country.
Failure to prepare is preparation to fail. We need to prepare for the worst before it happens not after! |
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"Or to probably the best isolation unit in the country. And the most appropriate doctors
And you don't think that the isolation unit could have been built in an isolated place or that the medical staff required to run it could travel to the unit when needed?
you think this medical centre has been built especially for ebola?????
actually this specialist unit with these specialist beds has always been the UK centre for infectious dieases.... so if someone were to get for example yellow fever... or bubonic plague ect ect.. they would also be sent here...
Really...
Up until the mid 90's we had a fully functioning military hospitals with medical personnel trained to operate in lethal NBC environments. We also had a high security isolation unit in CDE Porton Down for the treatment of highly lethal infections. However the Tory government of the day decided that they could save money by closing these facilities.
I think that some things should not be driven by profit and that our government are stripping out even the most basic safety precautions if they think they can get away with it and save some money to pass on to their super wealthy paymasters. I also think that we have been so manipulated and insulated from unpleasant truths that we have become complacent, and that we refuse to acknowledge any risk that may cost the rich any part of the wealth they have stripped out of this country.
Failure to prepare is preparation to fail. We need to prepare for the worst before it happens not after!"
I'd rather my taxes go towards something more useful than a rarely used high security isolation unit. It doesn't make sense to maintain it when we have so many other requirements in society. |
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Common sense would dictate that they should have always done it to stop the spread internationally....
points scoring........
its this type of thing that really... really annoys me...
"stop the spread internationally" soundbite good.. so lets see the numbers...
do you know how many people outside of those who have been to africa have actually contracted ebola from someone else....
the answer is 3..... 2 nurses in the US, 1 nurse in spain.....
3.......
sorry.... let me know when i should start fearmongering.....
p.s more that 3 people are likely to die from the flu today in the UK..... let that be a comparison that sinks in......"
Nope, just common sense.
Comparing flu to Ebola is childish at best when you factor in mortality rates of those infected. Give 100 people flu and how many survive, give 100 people Ebola and could you say the same.
Quarantining someone who's a high risk of carrying a disease that has an 80+% mortality rate isn't point scoring or scaremongering it's good practice, it's called effective infection control.
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What I don't really understand is that she was a nurse and she told them that she was feeling ill and that she thought that she had a fever coming. What part of her feeling unwell and just coming back from a hi risk country did those morons not understand ? The incubation period is said to be 21 days, just 3 weeks. So surely a standard quarantine of 3 weeks should be reasonable ?  |
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"Or to probably the best isolation unit in the country. And the most appropriate doctors
And you don't think that the isolation unit could have been built in an isolated place or that the medical staff required to run it could travel to the unit when needed?"
Not when staff are on 24 hour standby and a team are already formed. No...  |
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Common sense would dictate that they should have always done it to stop the spread internationally....
points scoring........
its this type of thing that really... really annoys me...
"stop the spread internationally" soundbite good.. so lets see the numbers...
do you know how many people outside of those who have been to africa have actually contracted ebola from someone else....
the answer is 3..... 2 nurses in the US, 1 nurse in spain.....
3.......
sorry.... let me know when i should start fearmongering.....
p.s more that 3 people are likely to die from the flu today in the UK..... let that be a comparison that sinks in......
Nope, just common sense.
Comparing flu to Ebola is childish at best when you factor in mortality rates of those infected. Give 100 people flu and how many survive, give 100 people Ebola and could you say the same.
Quarantining someone who's a high risk of carrying a disease that has an 80+% mortality rate isn't point scoring or scaremongering it's good practice, it's called effective infection control.
If you'd rather risk it then more fool you."
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"So how many of the comments are made by people on this thread who are familiar with even basic Infection Control, never mind specialist IC?  "
Fair comment, but I wonder how many NHS IC specialists have any let alone continuous training in full hazmat protection? In fact outside the fire service hazmat teams, some scientists and the military and ex military I wonder how many have any idea of how easy it is to become contaminated in any hazardous environment.
I also wonder why so many are playing down the risks rather than heightening vigilance? |
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"Or to probably the best isolation unit in the country. And the most appropriate doctors
And you don't think that the isolation unit could have been built in an isolated place or that the medical staff required to run it could travel to the unit when needed?
Not when staff are on 24 hour standby and a team are already formed. No... "
Of course, how stupid of me...
The team on standby are able to hand over their patient load and move into their isolation unit and make ready for the patient to arrive...
There is absolutely no way they could hand over their patient load and then move to the helipad climb on a chopper and move to a secure IC unit outside a hospital and prepare to receive their patient. |
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"So how many of the comments are made by people on this thread who are familiar with even basic Infection Control, never mind specialist IC?
Fair comment, but I wonder how many NHS IC specialists have any let alone continuous training in full hazmat protection? In fact outside the fire service hazmat teams, some scientists and the military and ex military I wonder how many have any idea of how easy it is to become contaminated in any hazardous environment.
I also wonder why so many are playing down the risks rather than heightening vigilance? "
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Rather than speculate in the forum of a swingers site. Have a look at the PHE blog and information page for Ebola.
publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2014/12/30/uk-ebola-case-what-does-this-mean-for-people-in-the-uk/ |
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do you know how many people outside of those who have been to africa have actually contracted ebola from someone else....
the answer is 3..... 2 nurses in the US, 1 nurse in spain.....
3.......
sorry.... let me know when i should start fearmongering.....
p.s more that 3 people are likely to die from the flu today in the UK..... let that be a comparison that sinks in......"
Even a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.
This could be the beginning of an outbreak, or be nothing at all. There's no reason for misplaced complacency though.
This nurse had the full set of PPE, access to the best medicines and she still caught it. That's not a bright outlook for anyone else wanting to volunteer abroad. |
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Ive said it before but I'll say it again..... You'd be better off spending some money on educating Africans on the bad points of eating bats and monkeys than spending 3 billion on a vaccine for a virus that for 50 years has proved to be..... Not that bad! |
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This nurse had the full set of PPE, access to the best medicines and she still caught it. That's not a bright outlook for anyone else wanting to volunteer abroad."
whereas the nurse who caught it in the states flew from dallas to cleveland... spent a weekend in cleveland preparing for her wedding with hubs to be, friends and family, flew back to dallas... then felt a slight fever... took herself into the hospital, and she managed to infect a grand total of zero people!!!!
the uk has 24 bed capacity at any given time to deal with people with ebola.... so far in this 3-6 month outbreak they have only had to deal with 2..... will pooley and this lady
the only people who have brought this to europe so far..... have been those who went out to help or have been transported out!!!!
so yes, excuse me if i do think it is scaremongering at this stage.....
you can see all the conspiracies coming out now reading this thread and the last couple on the same topic
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This nurse had the full set of PPE, access to the best medicines and she still caught it. That's not a bright outlook for anyone else wanting to volunteer abroad.
whereas the nurse who caught it in the states flew from dallas to cleveland... spent a weekend in cleveland preparing for her wedding with hubs to be, friends and family, flew back to dallas... then felt a slight fever... took herself into the hospital, and she managed to infect a grand total of zero people!!!!
the uk has 24 bed capacity at any given time to deal with people with ebola.... so far in this 3-6 month outbreak they have only had to deal with 2..... will pooley and this lady
the only people who have brought this to europe so far..... have been those who went out to help or have been transported out!!!!
so yes, excuse me if i do think it is scaremongering at this stage.....
you can see all the conspiracies coming out now reading this thread and the last couple on the same topic
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I seem to remember reading similar statements and listening to government officials coming out with the same don't worry your pretty little heads statements in the early 80's when we were being told HIV was not a threat.
Then the advice changed to it's only a threat if your gay or and intravenous drug user...
So pardon me if I seem to be over reacting but I would rather waste some of our taxes on unnecessary protection now that have to try and put this genie back in isolation if it gets out! Remember that it and HIV are the same type of virus only this one makes HIV look like a pussy! |
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"Ive said it before but I'll say it again..... You'd be better off spending some money on educating Africans on the bad points of eating bats and monkeys than spending 3 billion on a vaccine for a virus that for 50 years has proved to be..... Not that bad!"
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"So how many of the comments are made by people on this thread who are familiar with even basic Infection Control, never mind specialist IC?
Fair comment, but I wonder how many NHS IC specialists have any let alone continuous training in full hazmat protection? In fact outside the fire service hazmat teams, some scientists and the military and ex military I wonder how many have any idea of how easy it is to become contaminated in any hazardous environment.
I also wonder why so many are playing down the risks rather than heightening vigilance? "
There's actually a lot of training going on at the moment in all of the hospitals on what to do with patients presenting themselves with Ebola-like symptoms. |
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do you know how many people outside of those who have been to africa have actually contracted ebola from someone else....
the answer is 3..... 2 nurses in the US, 1 nurse in spain.....
3.......
sorry.... let me know when i should start fearmongering.....
p.s more that 3 people are likely to die from the flu today in the UK..... let that be a comparison that sinks in......
Even a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.
This could be the beginning of an outbreak, or be nothing at all. There's no reason for misplaced complacency though.
This nurse had the full set of PPE, access to the best medicines and she still caught it. That's not a bright outlook for anyone else wanting to volunteer abroad."
But it turns out that they have been engaging in some bad practices themselves - essentially mixing with the population whilst in normal clothing, not a terribly good idea. |
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The staff on standby are specially trained fgs. It's more effective, easier and cheaper the way it's being run now.
Do you seriously think any nurse can or wants to work in that enviroment?
The nurses who are trained to work on the IC unit regardless of infection have regular specialist training etc. Their shifts are also a lot easier to cover when they are placed in the infections unit, or are you suggesting they just get agency staff as and when needed in the IC unit?  |
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This nurse had the full set of PPE, access to the best medicines and she still caught it. That's not a bright outlook for anyone else wanting to volunteer abroad.
whereas the nurse who caught it in the states flew from dallas to cleveland... spent a weekend in cleveland preparing for her wedding with hubs to be, friends and family, flew back to dallas... then felt a slight fever... took herself into the hospital, and she managed to infect a grand total of zero people!!!!
the uk has 24 bed capacity at any given time to deal with people with ebola.... so far in this 3-6 month outbreak they have only had to deal with 2..... will pooley and this lady
the only people who have brought this to europe so far..... have been those who went out to help or have been transported out!!!!
so yes, excuse me if i do think it is scaremongering at this stage.....
you can see all the conspiracies coming out now reading this thread and the last couple on the same topic
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do you store all your answers to copy and paste cause you never change the bloody record "
and when people stop scaremongering.... i'll stop that...
and here... have some "rolled eyes" ooooh... different! |
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do you store all your answers to copy and paste cause you never change the bloody record
and when people stop scaremongering.... i'll stop that...
and here... have some "rolled eyes" ooooh... different!"
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"The staff on standby are specially trained fgs. It's more effective, easier and cheaper the way it's being run now."
The key word there is cheaper! It is not easier or more effective, because what I am suggesting is that the total isolation unit be in a different place not that it be run in a different way.
"Do you seriously think any nurse can or wants to work in that enviroment?"
I have not made any suggestions about who works in these units, but I notice that you keep raising red herrings in order to divert attention from what I am saying. Why are you doing this? What is your hidden agenda?
"The nurses who are trained to work on the IC unit regardless of infection have regular specialist training etc. Their shifts are also a lot easier to cover when they are placed in the infections unit,"
So you agree with me that the medics who will deal with these patients will do nothing else. So why do they have to do this dangerous work in large city hospitals rather than in specialist isolation units sited in uninhabited areas? Could it be because it's cheaper?
"or are you suggesting they just get agency staff as and when needed in the IC unit? "
No, but again I notice you are trying to make it sound as if I am.
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"There's actually a lot of training going on at the moment in all of the hospitals on what to do with patients presenting themselves with Ebola-like symptoms.""
Mike, a lot of training now is not enough. It is a sticking plaster to cover up for 19 years of stripping out and sacrificing our safety contingencies to the gods of profit. Fact is our full time armed forces used to do a lot more than play soldiers, sailors and airmen. They provided fully trained and disciplined emergency service, now they cant even supply a permanent force 10,000 personnel to deploy on active service without calling up TA and reservists.
Like it or not juggling a few weeks training into the timetable of already overworked NHS staff can not substitute for years of military discipline and training.
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do you store all your answers to copy and paste cause you never change the bloody record
and when people stop scaremongering.... i'll stop that...
and here... have some "rolled eyes" ooooh... different!"
Do you wear a condom while swinging in order to minimise your risk of catching something? Or is that just scaremongering too?
The simple fact is that Ebola is contagious and can be passed quite easily during its incubation period though bodily fluids. It could be something as innocent as a sneeze or cough and there's a chance of infecting someone.
This person was allowed to use public transport and came into contact with numerous people before anything was done. There's the potential that she could have infected several people. They won't know they've been in contact with her, they won't know they could be infected, they may even be in a pub this evening surrounded by hundreds of others.
That, my friend, is how an epidemic starts. An epidemic that could be easily prevented by good common sense and a little patience.
I hope to dog that this will just be an isolated case but it has the potential for bad news written all over it. |
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"The staff on standby are specially trained fgs. It's more effective, easier and cheaper the way it's being run now.
The key word there is cheaper! It is not easier or more effective, because what I am suggesting is that the total isolation unit be in a different place not that it be run in a different way.
Do you seriously think any nurse can or wants to work in that enviroment?
I have not made any suggestions about who works in these units, but I notice that you keep raising red herrings in order to divert attention from what I am saying. Why are you doing this? What is your hidden agenda?
The nurses who are trained to work on the IC unit regardless of infection have regular specialist training etc. Their shifts are also a lot easier to cover when they are placed in the infections unit,
So you agree with me that the medics who will deal with these patients will do nothing else. So why do they have to do this dangerous work in large city hospitals rather than in specialist isolation units sited in uninhabited areas? Could it be because it's cheaper?
or are you suggesting they just get agency staff as and when needed in the IC unit?
No, but again I notice you are trying to make it sound as if I am.
Mike4362uk
There's actually a lot of training going on at the moment in all of the hospitals on what to do with patients presenting themselves with Ebola-like symptoms."
Mike, a lot of training now is not enough. It is a sticking plaster to cover up for 19 years of stripping out and sacrificing our safety contingencies to the gods of profit. Fact is our full time armed forces used to do a lot more than play soldiers, sailors and airmen. They provided fully trained and disciplined emergency service, now they cant even supply a permanent force 10,000 personnel to deploy on active service without calling up TA and reservists.
Like it or not juggling a few weeks training into the timetable of already overworked NHS staff can not substitute for years of military discipline and training.
Doing things on the cheap gets you substandard products."
For someone who doesn't believe the government you seem to place a lot of faith in the MoD who are hardly noted for their transparency and lack of cover ups. |
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"For someone who doesn't believe the government you seem to place a lot of faith in the MoD who are hardly noted for their transparency and lack of cover ups. "
The MoD is not the Armed Forces. And my faith was placed in the Armed Forces, not the MoD which is the branch of government that has implemented Tory government policies that have denuded us of our security in the name of profit. |
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do you store all your answers to copy and paste cause you never change the bloody record
and when people stop scaremongering.... i'll stop that...
and here... have some "rolled eyes" ooooh... different!
Do you wear a condom while swinging in order to minimise your risk of catching something? Or is that just scaremongering too?
The simple fact is that Ebola is contagious and can be passed quite easily during its incubation period though bodily fluids. It could be something as innocent as a sneeze or cough and there's a chance of infecting someone.
This person was allowed to use public transport and came into contact with numerous people before anything was done. There's the potential that she could have infected several people. They won't know they've been in contact with her, they won't know they could be infected, they may even be in a pub this evening surrounded by hundreds of others.
That, my friend, is how an epidemic starts. An epidemic that could be easily prevented by good common sense and a little patience.
I hope to dog that this will just be an isolated case but it has the potential for bad news written all over it."
you know why a pandemic is scarier than an epidemic.... Coz it means the rich can't escape it either!  ..
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I agree with the substandard comment but in the meantime this is a, not a military issue and therefore remains under the care of the NHS and b, Ebola is a fairly stable infection compared to others..... |
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"For someone who doesn't believe the government you seem to place a lot of faith in the MoD who are hardly noted for their transparency and lack of cover ups.
The MoD is not the Armed Forces. And my faith was placed in the Armed Forces, not the MoD which is the branch of government that has implemented Tory government policies that have denuded us of our security in the name of profit."
...For the record I think every word you wrote made perfect sense and your summary that profits always come before welfare is spot on... I just disagree that Ebola in its current form is anything particularly bad in the first world. It's short incubation period with its weak contagion rate has shown that it comes and goes.
If we spent some money and educated some Africans on eating habits it would come alot less! |
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"For someone who doesn't believe the government you seem to place a lot of faith in the MoD who are hardly noted for their transparency and lack of cover ups.
The MoD is not the Armed Forces. And my faith was placed in the Armed Forces, not the MoD which is the branch of government that has implemented Tory government policies that have denuded us of our security in the name of profit....For the record I think every word you wrote made perfect sense and your summary that profits always come before welfare is spot on... I just disagree that Ebola in its current form is anything particularly bad in the first world. It's short incubation period with its weak contagion rate has shown that it comes and goes.
If we spent some money and educated some Africans on eating habits it would come alot less!"
Maybe said Africans are desperate to survive and will eat anything to achieve this goal....Maybe it's time the West shared it's wealth that it stripped African countries of in the past. Just some thoughts..... ? |
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and when people stop scaremongering.... i'll stop that...
and here... have some "rolled eyes" ooooh... different!
Do you wear a condom while swinging in order to minimise your risk of catching something? Or is that just scaremongering too?
The simple fact is that Ebola is contagious and can be passed quite easily during its incubation period though bodily fluids. It could be something as innocent as a sneeze or cough and there's a chance of infecting someone.
This person was allowed to use public transport and came into contact with numerous people before anything was done. There's the potential that she could have infected several people. They won't know they've been in contact with her, they won't know they could be infected, they may even be in a pub this evening surrounded by hundreds of others.
That, my friend, is how an epidemic starts. An epidemic that could be easily prevented by good common sense and a little patience.
I hope to dog that this will just be an isolated case but it has the potential for bad news written all over it.you know why a pandemic is scarier than an epidemic.... Coz it means the rich can't escape it either! ..
Ps does preying to the dog help or is that a typo."
It wasn't a typo.
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"For someone who doesn't believe the government you seem to place a lot of faith in the MoD who are hardly noted for their transparency and lack of cover ups.
The MoD is not the Armed Forces. And my faith was placed in the Armed Forces, not the MoD which is the branch of government that has implemented Tory government policies that have denuded us of our security in the name of profit....For the record I think every word you wrote made perfect sense and your summary that profits always come before welfare is spot on... I just disagree that Ebola in its current form is anything particularly bad in the first world. It's short incubation period with its weak contagion rate has shown that it comes and goes.
If we spent some money and educated some Africans on eating habits it would come alot less!
Maybe said Africans are desperate to survive and will eat anything to achieve this goal....Maybe it's time the West shared it's wealth that it stripped African countries of in the past. Just some thoughts..... ? "
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do you store all your answers to copy and paste cause you never change the bloody record
and when people stop scaremongering.... i'll stop that...
and here... have some "rolled eyes" ooooh... different!
Do you wear a condom while swinging in order to minimise your risk of catching something? Or is that just scaremongering too?
The simple fact is that Ebola is contagious and can be passed quite easily during its incubation period though bodily fluids. It could be something as innocent as a sneeze or cough and there's a chance of infecting someone.
This person was allowed to use public transport and came into contact with numerous people before anything was done. There's the potential that she could have infected several people. They won't know they've been in contact with her, they won't know they could be infected, they may even be in a pub this evening surrounded by hundreds of others.
That, my friend, is how an epidemic starts. An epidemic that could be easily prevented by good common sense and a little patience.
I hope to dog that this will just be an isolated case but it has the potential for bad news written all over it.you know why a pandemic is scarier than an epidemic.... Coz it means the rich can't escape it either! ..
Ps does preying to the dog help or is that a typo.
It wasn't a typo.
If I'm gonna pray then I'm gonna pray to something that exists.... "
...I was sceptical but I've nailed the dog on the cross anyhow just in case.... He wasn't happy but he went in good faith that it was for the better. |
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"Like all pathogens ,they adapt and evolve unlike us .
When the NHS buckles and soldiers are on the street keeping order , those in government will say oops think we fucked up here
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"Like all pathogens ,they adapt and evolve unlike us .
When the NHS buckles and soldiers are on the street keeping order , those in government will say oops think we fucked up here
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Is it not getting crowded for all you doom-mongers in that bunker? |
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For anyone genuinly interested in the origins of the ebola virus i recommend a book called the hot zone by Richard Preston its quite a gruesome read and seems like the strain of ebola is no where near as bad as the original outbreak, a very very good read |
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If you're worried about Ebola - a quite effective precaution would be to wear gloves when going out (I have a nice leather pair and take a antibacterial spray to work and use it when you go to the bathroom. Will cut the exposure right down
Of course we aren't at the stage where we should be worrying about it....... |
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