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Thought. Provoking.

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Why is it during the, Christmas. period. We see adverts that prick your conscious. I know I will get mainly abuse for this (forum thread). But, i'm sick to the back teeth of seeing these so called "adverts" especially in late afternoon when i'm eating my tea.

Water. Aid.

Blind. Aid.

Sightsaving.org

Syrian. Aid.

Salvation. Army.

Etc.

You get my drift.

Every year on our TV screens. Where does all this money go? if the money went to the right people. These "adverts" wouldn't appear again.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Their timing is not accidental

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By *rsIdiotWoman over a year ago

Bedworth

"Why is it during the, Christmas. period. We see adverts that prick your conscious. I know I will get mainly abuse for this (forum thread). But, i'm sick to the back teeth of seeing these so called "adverts" especially in late afternoon when i'm eating my tea.

Water. Aid.

Blind. Aid.

Sightsaving.org

Syrian. Aid.

Salvation. Army.

Etc.

You get my drift.

Every year on our TV screens. Where does all this money go? if the money went to the right people. These "adverts" wouldn't appear again."

Sadly, with most large charities, the bulk of the money donated goes towards funding the operating of the charity rather than the cause itself

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

charities are run as a business so advertising is part of that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some causes (like charities for the blind) don't go away after 12 months.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Because the people raising this money know what they're doing.

They know most people feel bad for being self indulgent and christmas can be just like that for some people, it will bother them that they have so much when others have so little.

Also it's family time and people just are overall more emotional at this time of the year, lost loved ones and missing them or just happy to be socialising more and it will make them think of others more because they will feel more involved and more empathetic when they are sharing themselves with others. lonely people might feel a need to connect with, and help, others.

I don't have TV though so not seeing any of this stuff.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I spend at least 3 month each year volunteering overseas on water-aid type projects and I see at first hand the true value achieved as a result of the generosity of people who make donations.

I do however find the near saturation of TV adverts can be overwhelming and I understand why some people feel disenchanted at the continuous bombardment of our emotional conscious...

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

SEA

charities being ran as a hard nose business does not sit well with me - I prefer charities stating how much of the donation reaches the intended target

Also some charities are now asking for a certain amount - e.g. sali army ask for 19 pound - which is a lot of money to me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Water. Aid.

Blind. Aid.

Sightsaving.org

Syrian. Aid.

Salvation. Army.

Etc.

You get my drift.

Every year on our TV screens. Where does all this money go? if the money went to the right people. These "adverts" wouldn't appear again."

Because Christmas is the time for giving x

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Water. Aid.

Blind. Aid.

Sightsaving.org

Syrian. Aid.

Salvation. Army.

Etc.

You get my drift.

Every year on our TV screens. Where does all this money go? if the money went to the right people. These "adverts" wouldn't appear again.

Sadly, with most large charities, the bulk of the money donated goes towards funding the operating of the charity rather than the cause itself "

That isn't exactly true. Yes, they spend a lot on overheads but fundraising is not a charitable activity and appears in the accounts as such. Salaries, rents and running costs have to be paid for and that all helps towards supporting the beneficiaries.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"charities being ran as a hard nose business does not sit well with me - I prefer charities stating how much of the donation reaches the intended target

Also some charities are now asking for a certain amount - e.g. sali army ask for 19 pound - which is a lot of money to me

I agree entirely.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"charities being ran as a hard nose business does not sit well with me - I prefer charities stating how much of the donation reaches the intended target

Also some charities are now asking for a certain amount - e.g. sali army ask for 19 pound - which is a lot of money to me

If they aren't run as hard nosed businesses these days they close. It really is as simple as that.

I argue that people should know the amount that goes on charitable activities but every bit of analysis shows that we the public wouldn't give as we the public think every penny should go to beneficiaries. We the public have little understanding that charities pay VAT, rent, rates (discretionary at the will of the local authority), telephone bills etc.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"charities being ran as a hard nose business does not sit well with me - I prefer charities stating how much of the donation reaches the intended target

Also some charities are now asking for a certain amount - e.g. sali army ask for 19 pound - which is a lot of money to me

If they aren't run as hard nosed businesses these days they close. It really is as simple as that.

Charities don't pay VAT (FACT).

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

SEA

"charities being ran as a hard nose business does not sit well with me - I prefer charities stating how much of the donation reaches the intended target

Also some charities are now asking for a certain amount - e.g. sali army ask for 19 pound - which is a lot of money to me

If they aren't run as hard nosed businesses these days they close. It really is as simple as that.

But if a large proportion of the donation goes to private landlords, local auths and salaries then it would put me off from donating I'm afraid

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"charities being ran as a hard nose business does not sit well with me - I prefer charities stating how much of the donation reaches the intended target

Also some charities are now asking for a certain amount - e.g. sali army ask for 19 pound - which is a lot of money to me

If they aren't run as hard nosed businesses these days they close. It really is as simple as that.

Charities don't pay VAT (FACT)."

My charity clients pay VAT.

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By *oveSlutForUseCouple over a year ago

Brighton

it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids."

Ooof.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"charities being ran as a hard nose business does not sit well with me - I prefer charities stating how much of the donation reaches the intended target

Also some charities are now asking for a certain amount - e.g. sali army ask for 19 pound - which is a lot of money to me

If they aren't run as hard nosed businesses these days they close. It really is as simple as that.

But if a large proportion of the donation goes to private landlords, local auths and salaries then it would put me off from donating I'm afraid

How do you think charities operate? There isn't a special world where they get things for free. They have to pay for everything, one way or another, just like everyone else.

The point I am making is that knowing that charities have to pay for these things puts you off donating and yet you are suspicious of why not all the money goes to the beneficiaries.

The very large charities are able to pay for things like overheads from the interest on their investments but as most aren't large they have to muddle through as any business does. Charities also have more regulations that business with which to comply.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"charities being ran as a hard nose business does not sit well with me - I prefer charities stating how much of the donation reaches the intended target

Also some charities are now asking for a certain amount - e.g. sali army ask for 19 pound - which is a lot of money to me

If they aren't run as hard nosed businesses these days they close. It really is as simple as that.

Charities don't pay VAT (FACT)."

Wrong. Charities pay VAT and unless registered as VATable the VAT they pay on everyday things is irrecoverable. (FACT).

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids."

Every stage of its life?

The fact that not all of the planet occupies temperate climates with favourable conditions for food and healthier lives is one factor. The other is other people coming along and fucking your country over for centuries. New nations are where the west was just 150-200 years ago.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Because traditionally Christmas is the time for giving. Not the time for ammassing more.

The lack of compassion sone have for others particularly at this time of year is quite sad

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

I am just happy to be able to give a little to people who have less than me and need some help.

I don't think about people who decide not to.

better fortune to all who need a little hand up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm quite surprised that in this day and age, a post like this exists.

Yes interesting debate on how much funding arrives at its desired location, but complaining about the inconvenience of having it brought to our attention ?

Maybe that's the world's biggest problem. ...We just don't really want to have to deal with stuff that's a bit distasteful or may change our comfort levels.

Merry Christmas.

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By *edangel_2013Woman over a year ago

southend

"charities being ran as a hard nose business does not sit well with me - I prefer charities stating how much of the donation reaches the intended target

Also some charities are now asking for a certain amount - e.g. sali army ask for 19 pound - which is a lot of money to me

If you use the Charities directory you can look up each charity and it gives you a breakdown of how they spend their money.

The Salvation Army being one of the more cost effective charities.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids."

Catholics...Pope won't sanction contraception, though that may have changed recently.

They also have a much higher infant mortality rate than us, often caused by the likes of Nestle encouraging the use of formula milk that then gets made with infected water.

How about you spend five minutes thinking about how lucky you are to live here...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids."

Utterly vile post

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"charities being ran as a hard nose business does not sit well with me - I prefer charities stating how much of the donation reaches the intended target

Also some charities are now asking for a certain amount - e.g. sali army ask for 19 pound - which is a lot of money to me

If they aren't run as hard nosed businesses these days they close. It really is as simple as that.

Charities don't pay VAT (FACT).

Wrong. Charities pay VAT and unless registered as VATable the VAT they pay on everyday things is irrecoverable. (FACT)."

Registered charities are exempt from any form of tax (FACT).

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

" I'm quite surprised that in this day and age, a post like this exists.

Yes interesting debate on how much funding arrives at its desired location, but complaining about the inconvenience of having it brought to our attention ?

Maybe that's the world's biggest problem. ...We just don't really want to have to deal with stuff that's a bit distasteful or may change our comfort levels.

Merry Christmas."

Yet the answer is exactly the same as for being bothered by things here. Too many ads (single men) bothering you then change your filters. Too many with pictures you don't want to see, then just move on. Too many asking for the same thing then just ignore or say no.

I see too many ads for the place with the Golden Arches but it doesn't mean I am going to give them my money every time they advertise.

Charity and commercial advertising is designed to get their message across and convince you to part with your cash or time. Not all advertising will appeal to all people but they wouldn't spend the money on it if it was ineffective.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"charities being ran as a hard nose business does not sit well with me - I prefer charities stating how much of the donation reaches the intended target

Also some charities are now asking for a certain amount - e.g. sali army ask for 19 pound - which is a lot of money to me

If they aren't run as hard nosed businesses these days they close. It really is as simple as that.

Charities don't pay VAT (FACT).

Wrong. Charities pay VAT and unless registered as VATable the VAT they pay on everyday things is irrecoverable. (FACT).

Registered charities are exempt from any form of tax (FACT)."

You are wrong in your assertions about VAT. Charities don't charge for tax on primary purpose activities. If they have secondary activities those might make them liable to charge VAT (ask HMRC who are very keen to ensure that all non-primary activities pay the right amount of VAT). However, charities have to pay the VAT part on all the bills they get in. If they have not VAT charges on their activities then they cannot reclaim ANY of the VAT they have paid out to other service providers. Charities do not pay corporate tax. They still have to pay Employer NI and tax contributions for staff.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post"

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan."

How is it true?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

How is it true?

Cant feed em, don't breed em.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

it's Christmas Eve, the time for a little reflection on how lucky the majority of us are, to be in the arms of a loving family, giving a present as a token of our affection for each other and celebrating together.

and to spare just a thought or a few £'s to people who may not feel that same love tonight & tomorrow, is something I and many will be happy to do.

and the others who don't share that same consideration, I respect that same decision as well.

Compassion starts at a zero cost

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By *edangel_2013Woman over a year ago

southend

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

How is it true?

Cant feed em, don't breed em."

Is that kids or trolls?

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"it's Christmas Eve, the time for a little reflection on how lucky the majority of us are, to be in the arms of a loving family, giving a present as a token of our affection for each other and celebrating together.

and to spare just a thought or a few £'s to people who may not feel that same love tonight & tomorrow, is something I and many will be happy to do.

and the others who don't share that same consideration, I respect that same decision as well.

Compassion starts at a zero cost"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

How is it true?

Cant feed em, don't breed em.

Is that kids or trolls?"

Babys, dear.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some causes (like charities for the blind) don't go away after 12 months."

Exactly! And humanitarian disasters have long term repercussions for the communities involved.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" I'm quite surprised that in this day and age, a post like this exists.

Yes interesting debate on how much funding arrives at its desired location, but complaining about the inconvenience of having it brought to our attention ?

Maybe that's the world's biggest problem. ...We just don't really want to have to deal with stuff that's a bit distasteful or may change our comfort levels.

Merry Christmas."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

How is it true?

Cant feed em, don't breed em.

Is that kids or trolls?"

Ha, I was just thinking the same thing x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"charities being ran as a hard nose business does not sit well with me - I prefer charities stating how much of the donation reaches the intended target

Also some charities are now asking for a certain amount - e.g. sali army ask for 19 pound - which is a lot of money to me

I think its wrong that the sally army ask for £19 and that it puts people off when they are told how much to give as not everyone can afford that much and surely its better if people can give what they can afford, some can afford more than others.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

How is it true?

Cant feed em, don't breed em.

Is that kids or trolls?

Babys, dear."

Applies equally to the benefit scroungers back home as well

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

How is it true?

Cant feed em, don't breed em.

Is that kids or trolls?

Babys, dear.

Applies equally to the benefit scroungers back home as well"

Well yes its only common sense.

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By *at69driveMan over a year ago

Hertford

Water. Aid.

Blind. Aid.

Sightsaving.org

Syrian. Aid.

Salvation. Army.

Etc.

You get my drift.

Every year on our TV screens. Where does all this money go? if the money went to the right people. These "adverts" wouldn't appear again."
. If charities fail to advertise and make people aware of their cause , how do you expect them to collect funds ?. Most people need a little prompting in order to make a donation. If the adverts prick your conscience , they must be effective .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

How is it true?

Cant feed em, don't breed em.

Is that kids or trolls?

Babys, dear.

Applies equally to the benefit scroungers back home as well

Well yes its only common sense."

Ah yes but nowadays it's everyone's right to have kids don't you know. Who cares if they can afford to the state will pay

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

How is it true?

Cant feed em, don't breed em.

Is that kids or trolls?

Babys, dear.

Applies equally to the benefit scroungers back home as well

Well yes its only common sense.

Ah yes but nowadays it's everyone's right to have kids don't you know. Who cares if they can afford to the state will pay "

Totally and utterly wrong of course.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some of tge sentiments expressed in this thread are beyond my comprehension but are sadly predictable.

I wonder how people liver with so much bitterness, spite and hatred within them. Surely it iscan emotional cancer eating away at them?

Apathy and indifference I can just about understand. But clear contempt and amger towarss vulnerable people o just can't fathom what would or could drive that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wow! Like getting your own way much?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some of tge sentiments expressed in this thread are beyond my comprehension but are sadly predictable.

I wonder how people liver with so much bitterness, spite and hatred within them. Surely it iscan emotional cancer eating away at them?

Apathy and indifference I can just about understand. But clear contempt and amger towarss vulnerable people o just can't fathom what would or could drive that"

Talking of hatred, you have been a bit hateful towards people in the past because they didn't share your opinions.

Works both ways.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Some of tge sentiments expressed in this thread are beyond my comprehension but are sadly predictable.

I wonder how people liver with so much bitterness, spite and hatred within them. Surely it iscan emotional cancer eating away at them?

Apathy and indifference I can just about understand. But clear contempt and amger towarss vulnerable people o just can't fathom what would or could drive that"

You've been here long enough to know who the inevitable culprits will be...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some of tge sentiments expressed in this thread are beyond my comprehension but are sadly predictable.

I wonder how people liver with so much bitterness, spite and hatred within them. Surely it iscan emotional cancer eating away at them?

Apathy and indifference I can just about understand. But clear contempt and amger towarss vulnerable people o just can't fathom what would or could drive that

You've been here long enough to know who the inevitable culprits will be..."

Not sure where all this talk of bitterness, spite and hatred comes from

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some of tge sentiments expressed in this thread are beyond my comprehension but are sadly predictable.

I wonder how people liver with so much bitterness, spite and hatred within them. Surely it iscan emotional cancer eating away at them?

Apathy and indifference I can just about understand. But clear contempt and amger towarss vulnerable people o just can't fathom what would or could drive that

You've been here long enough to know who the inevitable culprits will be..."

Some people just cant stand it when others have different opinions and call them trolls.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some of tge sentiments expressed in this thread are beyond my comprehension but are sadly predictable.

I wonder how people liver with so much bitterness, spite and hatred within them. Surely it iscan emotional cancer eating away at them?

Apathy and indifference I can just about understand. But clear contempt and amger towarss vulnerable people o just can't fathom what would or could drive that

You've been here long enough to know who the inevitable culprits will be...

Not sure where all this talk of bitterness, spite and hatred comes from"

No me neither, slight exaggeration I think.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

I think it's when other's opinions are so tactless, thoughtless and lacking even a basic level of compassion or empathy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

One completely ignorant and frankly disgusting comment and to give it 3 thumbs up as well makes you even worse.

Poor show and should both be ashamed of yourselves.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Well, i've opened a can of "whoop ass" on this (my) thread.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

"Well, i've opened a can of "whoop ass" on this (my) thread.

I am sure this reaction fills you with the festive cheer you knew it would

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

One completely ignorant and frankly disgusting comment and to give it 3 thumbs up as well makes you even worse.

Poor show and should both be ashamed of yourselves. "

Oh silly me I thought we still had freedom of speech in this country.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

One completely ignorant and frankly disgusting comment and to give it 3 thumbs up as well makes you even worse.

Poor show and should both be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh silly me I thought we still had freedom of speech in this country."

Only if it matches that of the easily offended

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

One completely ignorant and frankly disgusting comment and to give it 3 thumbs up as well makes you even worse.

Poor show and should both be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh silly me I thought we still had freedom of speech in this country."

Freedom of Speech is a myth, what we actually have is Freedom of Expression, which comes with a level of responsibility to use it wisely.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

One completely ignorant and frankly disgusting comment and to give it 3 thumbs up as well makes you even worse.

Poor show and should both be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh silly me I thought we still had freedom of speech in this country.

Only if it matches that of the easily offended"

Yes, better not say anything again.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

One completely ignorant and frankly disgusting comment and to give it 3 thumbs up as well makes you even worse.

Poor show and should both be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh silly me I thought we still had freedom of speech in this country."

You just spread hate consistently though. That's not "freedom of speech".

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

One completely ignorant and frankly disgusting comment and to give it 3 thumbs up as well makes you even worse.

Poor show and should both be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh silly me I thought we still had freedom of speech in this country.

You just spread hate consistently though. That's not "freedom of speech". "

What, in everyone of my posts? aren't you being slightly paranoid.

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By *adgodCouple over a year ago

Greensburg

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan."

What a terrible sentiment. With no mention whatsoever that their primary religion forbids them from using birth control. Although I dont share the sentiment, to most faithful people, their god means everything, especially to those who have little else. Foreigners told these people to do as god wishes them to do, then we hammer them for trying to follow the stupid-ass rules. Seems to me this can be a tough world to win in.

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By *adgodCouple over a year ago

Greensburg

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

One completely ignorant and frankly disgusting comment and to give it 3 thumbs up as well makes you even worse.

Poor show and should both be ashamed of yourselves. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

Things will never be easy when religion is involved

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

One completely ignorant and frankly disgusting comment and to give it 3 thumbs up as well makes you even worse.

Poor show and should both be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh silly me I thought we still had freedom of speech in this country.

You just spread hate consistently though. That's not "freedom of speech".

What, in everyone of my posts? aren't you being slightly paranoid."

No, you still spread hate consistently.

I'm not paranoid, however I do think it's paranoid to believe we're all being lied to by everyone.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

I tried pointing that out (and the Nestle issue) earlier but it was conveniently ignored in the place of more hate rhetoric.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sometimes I see things on here that make me wonder if humanity deserves a chance to thrive in a universe which would surely despair if the best of what we offer as a species is measured by the vile nature of some posts in this thread....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

One completely ignorant and frankly disgusting comment and to give it 3 thumbs up as well makes you even worse.

Poor show and should both be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh silly me I thought we still had freedom of speech in this country.

You just spread hate consistently though. That's not "freedom of speech".

What, in everyone of my posts? aren't you being slightly paranoid.

No, you still spread hate consistently.

I'm not paranoid, however I do think it's paranoid to believe we're all being lied to by everyone. "

So its just me that's hateful on here is it, I don't think it is.

some on here are just as hateful and some over sensitive.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

One completely ignorant and frankly disgusting comment and to give it 3 thumbs up as well makes you even worse.

Poor show and should both be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh silly me I thought we still had freedom of speech in this country.

You just spread hate consistently though. That's not "freedom of speech".

What, in everyone of my posts? aren't you being slightly paranoid.

No, you still spread hate consistently.

I'm not paranoid, however I do think it's paranoid to believe we're all being lied to by everyone.

So its just me that's hateful on here is it, I don't think it is.

some on here are just as hateful and some over sensitive."

You see thats called mirroring or diverting blame away and thats a sign of guilt in itself.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

One completely ignorant and frankly disgusting comment and to give it 3 thumbs up as well makes you even worse.

Poor show and should both be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh silly me I thought we still had freedom of speech in this country.

You just spread hate consistently though. That's not "freedom of speech".

What, in everyone of my posts? aren't you being slightly paranoid.

No, you still spread hate consistently.

I'm not paranoid, however I do think it's paranoid to believe we're all being lied to by everyone.

So its just me that's hateful on here is it, I don't think it is.

some on here are just as hateful and some over sensitive."

No one said it was just you...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

One completely ignorant and frankly disgusting comment and to give it 3 thumbs up as well makes you even worse.

Poor show and should both be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh silly me I thought we still had freedom of speech in this country.

You just spread hate consistently though. That's not "freedom of speech".

What, in everyone of my posts? aren't you being slightly paranoid.

No, you still spread hate consistently.

I'm not paranoid, however I do think it's paranoid to believe we're all being lied to by everyone.

So its just me that's hateful on here is it, I don't think it is.

some on here are just as hateful and some over sensitive."

Well, you're definitely hateful. It doesn't make it okay to say others are too. Anyway, you're the only person I've seen who makes an active effort to be inflammatory and controversial, eg supporting rapists, condemning immigration, and supporting unlawful killings.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

and to spare just a thought or a few £'s to people who may not feel that same love tonight & tomorrow, is something I and many will be happy to do.

and the others who don't share that same consideration, I respect that same decision as well.

Compassion starts at a zero cost"

great post View.

I'm always dismayed at how these thread turn out but sadly no longer surprised.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

One completely ignorant and frankly disgusting comment and to give it 3 thumbs up as well makes you even worse.

Poor show and should both be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh silly me I thought we still had freedom of speech in this country.

You just spread hate consistently though. That's not "freedom of speech".

What, in everyone of my posts? aren't you being slightly paranoid.

No, you still spread hate consistently.

I'm not paranoid, however I do think it's paranoid to believe we're all being lied to by everyone.

So its just me that's hateful on here is it, I don't think it is.

some on here are just as hateful and some over sensitive.

You see thats called mirroring or diverting blame away and thats a sign of guilt in itself."

Im not guilty what on earth are you talking about.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

You're just a little further up the Allport Scale than most...

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Some of tge sentiments expressed in this thread are beyond my comprehension but are sadly predictable.

I wonder how people liver with so much bitterness, spite and hatred within them. Surely it iscan emotional cancer eating away at them?

Apathy and indifference I can just about understand. But clear contempt and amger towarss vulnerable people o just can't fathom what would or could drive that"

this..

same old same old..

humanity eh !! ffs some can spell it but they sure as fuck don't have the faintest idea what it means..

maybe its a power trip to sneer at those who also share this planet who live in circumstances that most of us are ignorant of..

pitiful and sad people ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

One completely ignorant and frankly disgusting comment and to give it 3 thumbs up as well makes you even worse.

Poor show and should both be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh silly me I thought we still had freedom of speech in this country.

You just spread hate consistently though. That's not "freedom of speech".

What, in everyone of my posts? aren't you being slightly paranoid.

No, you still spread hate consistently.

I'm not paranoid, however I do think it's paranoid to believe we're all being lied to by everyone.

So its just me that's hateful on here is it, I don't think it is.

some on here are just as hateful and some over sensitive.

So have you never heard of people having these same opinions then, realy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

One completely ignorant and frankly disgusting comment and to give it 3 thumbs up as well makes you even worse.

Poor show and should both be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh silly me I thought we still had freedom of speech in this country.

You just spread hate consistently though. That's not "freedom of speech".

What, in everyone of my posts? aren't you being slightly paranoid.

No, you still spread hate consistently.

I'm not paranoid, however I do think it's paranoid to believe we're all being lied to by everyone.

So its just me that's hateful on here is it, I don't think it is.

some on here are just as hateful and some over sensitive.

So have you never heard of people having these same opinions then, realy.

I have, and those are people are awful too.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

I tried pointing that out (and the Nestle issue) earlier but it was conveniently ignored in the place of more hate rhetoric."

Yes but facts take a defree of intelligence to understand. Empty rhetoric is far less demanding

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

I tried pointing that out (and the Nestle issue) earlier but it was conveniently ignored in the place of more hate rhetoric.

Yes but facts take a defree of intelligence to understand. Empty rhetoric is far less demanding"

Facts? I was just pushing a PC, Left-wing, liberal agenda, surely?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

I tried pointing that out (and the Nestle issue) earlier but it was conveniently ignored in the place of more hate rhetoric.

Yes but facts take a defree of intelligence to understand. Empty rhetoric is far less demanding

Facts? I was just pushing a PC, Left-wing, liberal agenda, surely?"

You can never argue with a leftie because they are always right, never a truer word been said.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

I tried pointing that out (and the Nestle issue) earlier but it was conveniently ignored in the place of more hate rhetoric.

Yes but facts take a defree of intelligence to understand. Empty rhetoric is far less demanding

Facts? I was just pushing a PC, Left-wing, liberal agenda, surely?

You can never argue with a leftie because they are always right, never a truer word been said."

Oh the irony

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

I tried pointing that out (and the Nestle issue) earlier but it was conveniently ignored in the place of more hate rhetoric.

Yes but facts take a defree of intelligence to understand. Empty rhetoric is far less demanding"

And your extremely intelligent I can tell.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Merry Christmas.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

I tried pointing that out (and the Nestle issue) earlier but it was conveniently ignored in the place of more hate rhetoric.

Yes but facts take a defree of intelligence to understand. Empty rhetoric is far less demanding

And your extremely intelligent I can tell.

I find that unlikely.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman over a year ago

Kent

You know when you start reading a thread from the bottom and you know without scrolling up who's said what!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You know when you start reading a thread from the bottom and you know without scrolling up who's said what!

Wow.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Likes, Detective. Hottie. Bottie. comment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

I tried pointing that out (and the Nestle issue) earlier but it was conveniently ignored in the place of more hate rhetoric.

Yes but facts take a defree of intelligence to understand. Empty rhetoric is far less demanding"

Why should people make excuses for these people, because you and a few others say so, of course.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

I tried pointing that out (and the Nestle issue) earlier but it was conveniently ignored in the place of more hate rhetoric.

Yes but facts take a defree of intelligence to understand. Empty rhetoric is far less demanding

Why should people make excuses for these people, because you and a few others say so, of course.

What people? Who do you think should be excluded from humanity?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyone want to join me on the sofa and watch A Christmas Carol?

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

I tried pointing that out (and the Nestle issue) earlier but it was conveniently ignored in the place of more hate rhetoric.

Yes but facts take a defree of intelligence to understand. Empty rhetoric is far less demanding

Why should people make excuses for these people, because you and a few others say so, of course.

Excuses? They're well-known facts! You do know about the Catholic Church's stance on birth control and the activities of formula milk companies in Africa, don't you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

I tried pointing that out (and the Nestle issue) earlier but it was conveniently ignored in the place of more hate rhetoric.

Yes but facts take a defree of intelligence to understand. Empty rhetoric is far less demanding

And your extremely intelligent I can tell.

I wouldn't say that personally. Although crystal most definitely is so maybe you have got our posts confused

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

I tried pointing that out (and the Nestle issue) earlier but it was conveniently ignored in the place of more hate rhetoric.

Yes but facts take a defree of intelligence to understand. Empty rhetoric is far less demanding

Why should people make excuses for these people, because you and a few others say so, of course.

They / we arent making excuses for them we are defending them from ignorant people like you.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Why should people make excuses for these people, because you and a few others say so, of course.

make excuses..?

for whom, children born with diseases that reduce their life expectancy to weeks or months..?

and because of where they are born over which they have no say whatsoever that it offends you that people should be empathetic to their plight..?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Water. Aid.

Blind. Aid.

Sightsaving.org

Syrian. Aid.

Salvation. Army.

Etc.

You get my drift.

Every year on our TV screens. Where does all this money go? if the money went to the right people. These "adverts" wouldn't appear again."

The bigger the gap gets between the rich and the poor, the less compassion those more fortunate have for those less fortunate. Those at the top pay people to produce propaganda with the objective of pitching poorer people against poorer people so they're too busy blaming each other to notice the most rich people not contributing their fair share back into society.

Having read some previous poster's contributions on the forums, you would have thought they were at the bottom of the pile judging how hard done by they are thanks to the welfare system giving a small amount of support to those desperate for assistance.

I give what I can when I can and because I do, I don't feel guilty when I see these calls for help at this time of year. The reason I believe there is a need for these charities isn't because of those people who have found themselves in the unenviable position of needing it, it's because of those who don't need it not reinvesting in the society that gave them their riches in the first place.

crystal

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why should people make excuses for these people, because you and a few others say so, of course.

make excuses..?

for whom, children born with diseases that reduce their life expectancy to weeks or months..?

and because of where they are born over which they have no say whatsoever that it offends you that people should be empathetic to their plight..?

I feel sorry for the kids of course I do, but the parents should never of had them in the first place, its not rocket science is it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Nearly at the 100 replies stage. That's very good for (my) thread. I usually reach about the 5 replies back mark? PMSL.

I have another thread going, titled "Switch. Off." go and check it out (fabbers)

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Why should people make excuses for these people, because you and a few others say so, of course.

make excuses..?

for whom, children born with diseases that reduce their life expectancy to weeks or months..?

and because of where they are born over which they have no say whatsoever that it offends you that people should be empathetic to their plight..?

I feel sorry for the kids of course I do, but the parents should never of had them in the first place, its not rocket science is it."

your either telling fibs or your hiding your feeling sorry for them very well..

what about children 'over here' who contract a genetic disease..?

you the same with 'why should anyone feel 'sorry for them'..?

they equally have no say..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why should people make excuses for these people, because you and a few others say so, of course.

make excuses..?

for whom, children born with diseases that reduce their life expectancy to weeks or months..?

and because of where they are born over which they have no say whatsoever that it offends you that people should be empathetic to their plight..?

I feel sorry for the kids of course I do, but the parents should never of had them in the first place, its not rocket science is it.

your either telling fibs or your hiding your feeling sorry for them very well..

what about children 'over here' who contract a genetic disease..?

you the same with 'why should anyone feel 'sorry for them'..?

they equally have no say.."

Its completely different as you well know.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why should people make excuses for these people, because you and a few others say so, of course.

make excuses..?

for whom, children born with diseases that reduce their life expectancy to weeks or months..?

and because of where they are born over which they have no say whatsoever that it offends you that people should be empathetic to their plight..?

I feel sorry for the kids of course I do, but the parents should never of had them in the first place, its not rocket science is it."

I'm not convonced that suggesting that they should never have been born is consistant with feeling sorry for them?

Is that the same for children who's parents are on benefits

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

I tried pointing that out (and the Nestle issue) earlier but it was conveniently ignored in the place of more hate rhetoric.

Yes but facts take a defree of intelligence to understand. Empty rhetoric is far less demanding

Why should people make excuses for these people, because you and a few others say so, of course.

They / we arent making excuses for them we are defending them from ignorant people like you. "

Well not so ignorant that I have to insult everyone who has a different opinion to me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

I tried pointing that out (and the Nestle issue) earlier but it was conveniently ignored in the place of more hate rhetoric.

Yes but facts take a defree of intelligence to understand. Empty rhetoric is far less demanding

Why should people make excuses for these people, because you and a few others say so, of course.

They / we arent making excuses for them we are defending them from ignorant people like you.

Well not so ignorant that I have to insult everyone who has a different opinion to me."

Could you please point out at which point i have insulted you ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why should people make excuses for these people, because you and a few others say so, of course.

make excuses..?

for whom, children born with diseases that reduce their life expectancy to weeks or months..?

and because of where they are born over which they have no say whatsoever that it offends you that people should be empathetic to their plight..?

I feel sorry for the kids of course I do, but the parents should never of had them in the first place, its not rocket science is it.

your either telling fibs or your hiding your feeling sorry for them very well..

what about children 'over here' who contract a genetic disease..?

you the same with 'why should anyone feel 'sorry for them'..?

they equally have no say..

Its completely different as you well know.

How do we avoid having children with genetic defects?

crystal

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By *adgodCouple over a year ago

Greensburg

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

Utterly vile post

True though and a lot of people agree including the late spike miligan.

I tried pointing that out (and the Nestle issue) earlier but it was conveniently ignored in the place of more hate rhetoric.

Yes but facts take a defree of intelligence to understand. Empty rhetoric is far less demanding

Facts? I was just pushing a PC, Left-wing, liberal agenda, surely?

You can never argue with a leftie because they are always right, never a truer word been said."

Amazing considering the source and the tone of most of your posts. Goes well beyond the pot and the kettle thing into another realm entirely. Anyone who has anything in life should try to do what they can for the less fortunate. I'm not saying you have to, and it's just an opinion that you should. But to pretend you have all the answers, that everything is black and white, and especially that anyone has the slightest inkling of what a life they have never had to live is actually like is deplorable. At Christmas or anytime.

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By *hole Lotta RosieWoman over a year ago

Deviant City

and to spare just a thought or a few £'s to people who may not feel that same love tonight & tomorrow, is something I and many will be happy to do.

and the others who don't share that same consideration, I respect that same decision as well.

Compassion starts at a zero cost"

this

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Why should people make excuses for these people, because you and a few others say so, of course.

make excuses..?

for whom, children born with diseases that reduce their life expectancy to weeks or months..?

and because of where they are born over which they have no say whatsoever that it offends you that people should be empathetic to their plight..?

I feel sorry for the kids of course I do, but the parents should never of had them in the first place, its not rocket science is it.

your either telling fibs or your hiding your feeling sorry for them very well..

what about children 'over here' who contract a genetic disease..?

you the same with 'why should anyone feel 'sorry for them'..?

they equally have no say..

Its completely different as you well know.

it absolutely isn't..

its what you are supporting..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why should people make excuses for these people, because you and a few others say so, of course.

make excuses..?

for whom, children born with diseases that reduce their life expectancy to weeks or months..?

and because of where they are born over which they have no say whatsoever that it offends you that people should be empathetic to their plight..?

I feel sorry for the kids of course I do, but the parents should never of had them in the first place, its not rocket science is it.

your either telling fibs or your hiding your feeling sorry for them very well..

what about children 'over here' who contract a genetic disease..?

you the same with 'why should anyone feel 'sorry for them'..?

they equally have no say..

Its completely different as you well know.

it absolutely isn't..

its what you are supporting..

never disagree with a leftie liberal, because they are always right.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"....it's because of those who don't need it are not reinvesting in the society that gave them their riches in the first place."

crystal"

This

If only some people would reflect on the cumulative reasons behind their relatively privileged positions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Imagine you were born into a life of poverty,misery and disease. You would be grateful for any help you were given

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Turning into a bit of a UKIP rally in here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Turning into a bit of a UKIP rally in here.

That's enough to offend anyone on here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why should people make excuses for these people, because you and a few others say so, of course.

make excuses..?

for whom, children born with diseases that reduce their life expectancy to weeks or months..?

and because of where they are born over which they have no say whatsoever that it offends you that people should be empathetic to their plight..?

I feel sorry for the kids of course I do, but the parents should never of had them in the first place, its not rocket science is it.

your either telling fibs or your hiding your feeling sorry for them very well..

what about children 'over here' who contract a genetic disease..?

you the same with 'why should anyone feel 'sorry for them'..?

they equally have no say..

Its completely different as you well know.

it absolutely isn't..

its what you are supporting..

never disagree with a leftie liberal, because they are always right."

It's not being a "leftie liberal" to not advocate social engineering. You've suggested pregnancies should be aborted. It's insane to promote ideas like that.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Why should people make excuses for these people, because you and a few others say so, of course.

make excuses..?

for whom, children born with diseases that reduce their life expectancy to weeks or months..?

and because of where they are born over which they have no say whatsoever that it offends you that people should be empathetic to their plight..?

I feel sorry for the kids of course I do, but the parents should never of had them in the first place, its not rocket science is it.

your either telling fibs or your hiding your feeling sorry for them very well..

what about children 'over here' who contract a genetic disease..?

you the same with 'why should anyone feel 'sorry for them'..?

they equally have no say..

Its completely different as you well know.

it absolutely isn't..

its what you are supporting..

never disagree with a leftie liberal, because they are always right."

ah yes, your default position as usual when you've shown you have no way of justifying your stance..

instead of that, what part of people having empathy for children who will die through no fault of their own by virtue of where they are born is wrong..?

in your opinion..

by the way its not only leftie liberals who think similar where avoidable child mortality is preventable..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why should people make excuses for these people, because you and a few others say so, of course.

make excuses..?

for whom, children born with diseases that reduce their life expectancy to weeks or months..?

and because of where they are born over which they have no say whatsoever that it offends you that people should be empathetic to their plight..?

I feel sorry for the kids of course I do, but the parents should never of had them in the first place, its not rocket science is it.

your either telling fibs or your hiding your feeling sorry for them very well..

what about children 'over here' who contract a genetic disease..?

you the same with 'why should anyone feel 'sorry for them'..?

they equally have no say..

Its completely different as you well know.

it absolutely isn't..

its what you are supporting..

never disagree with a leftie liberal, because they are always right."

Well maybe you could explain what you mean by it being totally different? Rather than just getting obtuse when your point of _iew is challenged

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why should people make excuses for these people, because you and a few others say so, of course.

make excuses..?

for whom, children born with diseases that reduce their life expectancy to weeks or months..?

and because of where they are born over which they have no say whatsoever that it offends you that people should be empathetic to their plight..?

I feel sorry for the kids of course I do, but the parents should never of had them in the first place, its not rocket science is it.

your either telling fibs or your hiding your feeling sorry for them very well..

what about children 'over here' who contract a genetic disease..?

you the same with 'why should anyone feel 'sorry for them'..?

they equally have no say..

Its completely different as you well know.

it absolutely isn't..

its what you are supporting..

never disagree with a leftie liberal, because they are always right.

It's not being a "leftie liberal" to not advocate social engineering. You've suggested pregnancies should be aborted. It's insane to promote ideas like that. "

I didn't say that all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Turning into a bit of a UKIP rally in here.

That's enough to offend anyone on here."

Absolutely. Farage called to his party to stop posting messages online, presumably because they are such grounded individuals.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why should people make excuses for these people, because you and a few others say so, of course.

make excuses..?

for whom, children born with diseases that reduce their life expectancy to weeks or months..?

and because of where they are born over which they have no say whatsoever that it offends you that people should be empathetic to their plight..?

I feel sorry for the kids of course I do, but the parents should never of had them in the first place, its not rocket science is it.

your either telling fibs or your hiding your feeling sorry for them very well..

what about children 'over here' who contract a genetic disease..?

you the same with 'why should anyone feel 'sorry for them'..?

they equally have no say..

Its completely different as you well know.

it absolutely isn't..

its what you are supporting..

never disagree with a leftie liberal, because they are always right.

It's not being a "leftie liberal" to not advocate social engineering. You've suggested pregnancies should be aborted. It's insane to promote ideas like that.

I didn't say that all.

You said "I feel sorry for the kids of course I do, but the parents should never of had them in the first place, its not rocket science is it.".

That's social engineering.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Turning into a bit of a UKIP rally in here.

That's enough to offend anyone on here.

Absolutely. Farage called to his party to stop posting messages online, presumably because they are such grounded individuals. "

Feeling bored then are we.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well, i've opened a can of "whoop ass" on this (my) thread.

I am sure this reaction fills you with the festive cheer you knew it would

Op jumped into chat rooms to round up people to join in the controversy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well, i've opened a can of "whoop ass" on this (my) thread.

I am sure this reaction fills you with the festive cheer you knew it would

Op jumped into chat rooms to round up people to join in the controversy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Turning into a bit of a UKIP rally in here.

That's enough to offend anyone on here.

Absolutely. Farage called to his party to stop posting messages online, presumably because they are such grounded individuals.

Feeling bored then are we."

Not as such. Just dipping my head and seemingly treading on some nerves. I shall leave you to it, oh warrior.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman over a year ago

Kent

"Well, i've opened a can of "whoop ass" on this (my) thread.

I am sure this reaction fills you with the festive cheer you knew it would

Op jumped into chat rooms to round up people to join in the controversy

He's probably just excited that he's got a thread running that hasn't been closed yet by someone getting digs in at him. Happens a lot.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I spend at least 3 month each year volunteering overseas on water-aid type projects and I see at first hand the true value achieved as a result of the generosity of people who make donations.

I do however find the near saturation of TV adverts can be overwhelming and I understand why some people feel disenchanted at the continuous bombardment of our emotional conscious...

you would think after living on that plot of land for hundreds / thousands of years they would know how to dig a hole to find water and not need my £2 for a spade

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

Well the title of this thread is certainly apt.

I have given it some thought and it is very provoking.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"I spend at least 3 month each year volunteering overseas on water-aid type projects and I see at first hand the true value achieved as a result of the generosity of people who make donations.

I do however find the near saturation of TV adverts can be overwhelming and I understand why some people feel disenchanted at the continuous bombardment of our emotional conscious...

you would think after living on that plot of land for hundreds / thousands of years they would know how to dig a hole to find water and not need my £2 for a spade"

Why did you donate it if you feel that way?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I spend at least 3 month each year volunteering overseas on water-aid type projects and I see at first hand the true value achieved as a result of the generosity of people who make donations.

I do however find the near saturation of TV adverts can be overwhelming and I understand why some people feel disenchanted at the continuous bombardment of our emotional conscious...

you would think after living on that plot of land for hundreds / thousands of years they would know how to dig a hole to find water and not need my £2 for a spade"

Is that a joke...? Or do you not understand the availability underground water resources? If not, you should look into aquifers and other types of groundwater. It's not as common in certain places as you think. I don't think your money is paying for spades.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I spend at least 3 month each year volunteering overseas on water-aid type projects and I see at first hand the true value achieved as a result of the generosity of people who make donations.

I do however find the near saturation of TV adverts can be overwhelming and I understand why some people feel disenchanted at the continuous bombardment of our emotional conscious...

you would think after living on that plot of land for hundreds / thousands of years they would know how to dig a hole to find water and not need my £2 for a spade

I think it was a joke don't you, well it made me laugh anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I spend at least 3 month each year volunteering overseas on water-aid type projects and I see at first hand the true value achieved as a result of the generosity of people who make donations.

I do however find the near saturation of TV adverts can be overwhelming and I understand why some people feel disenchanted at the continuous bombardment of our emotional conscious...

you would think after living on that plot of land for hundreds / thousands of years they would know how to dig a hole to find water and not need my £2 for a spade

I think it was a joke don't you, well it made me laugh anyway."

It's not particularly clear as he has also made offensive posts historically, too.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I spend at least 3 month each year volunteering overseas on water-aid type projects and I see at first hand the true value achieved as a result of the generosity of people who make donations.

I do however find the near saturation of TV adverts can be overwhelming and I understand why some people feel disenchanted at the continuous bombardment of our emotional conscious...

you would think after living on that plot of land for hundreds / thousands of years they would know how to dig a hole to find water and not need my £2 for a spade

I think it was a joke don't you, well it made me laugh anyway.

It's not particularly clear as he has also made offensive posts historically, too."

Thanks for your intelligent posts 26pions, takes the edge of my urge to be somewhat blunt lol oh and your avatar pic helps as well lol

Merry Xmas x

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain"

I'll bear that in mind

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I spend at least 3 month each year volunteering overseas on water-aid type projects and I see at first hand the true value achieved as a result of the generosity of people who make donations.

I do however find the near saturation of TV adverts can be overwhelming and I understand why some people feel disenchanted at the continuous bombardment of our emotional conscious...

you would think after living on that plot of land for hundreds / thousands of years they would know how to dig a hole to find water and not need my £2 for a spade

I think it was a joke don't you, well it made me laugh anyway.

It's not particularly clear as he has also made offensive posts historically, too.

Thanks for your intelligent posts 26pions, takes the edge of my urge to be somewhat blunt lol oh and your avatar pic helps as well lol

Merry Xmas x"

That's kind of you to say, thanks

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain"

Yes but if you don't condemn hatred, you condone it.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain

Yes but if you don't condemn hatred, you condone it. "

It is possible to state your own position without giving undue attention to others.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain

Yes but if you don't condemn hatred, you condone it. "

This is true but it is also true that if you feed the trolls they grow bigger.

I am not referring to anyone in particular but some minds will never be changed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain

Yes but if you don't condemn hatred, you condone it.

This is true but it is also true that if you feed the trolls they grow bigger.

I am not referring to anyone in particular but some minds will never be changed. "

While this is undoutedly true, it may make others stop and think.

Some of the bile on this (and many other threads) can't go unchallenged in my opinion. Because if it did the mob mentality would quickly make the forums even more unpleasant than they already sometimes can be

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain

Yes but if you don't condemn hatred, you condone it.

This is true but it is also true that if you feed the trolls they grow bigger.

I am not referring to anyone in particular but some minds will never be changed.

While this is undoutedly true, it may make others stop and think.

To my mind there's a difference between challenging and engaging. I think opposing opinions and facts have been stated articulately and well

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain

Yes but if you don't condemn hatred, you condone it. "

Yes of course.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain

Yes but if you don't condemn hatred, you condone it.

This is true but it is also true that if you feed the trolls they grow bigger.

I am not referring to anyone in particular but some minds will never be changed.

While this is undoutedly true, it may make others stop and think.

Yes and if you say its wrong it jolly well is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hilda's arguments are put forward by a lot of people. they are no less valid then anybody else's. unfortunately the problems of foreign aid aren't easily solved by just throwing money at them. The people that this aid is ment to reach can sometimes never see much of it due to the logistics and corruption of the region they live in. A lot of the time the need is caused by natural disaster or war, something these people could not plan for so you can't possible blame them for not being able to feed their families. unfortunately the charities give the impression that you can solve these problems by simply giving them money. this is not the case, Political change and education is needed as well as resources.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A yes but nowadays it's everyone's right to have kids don't you know. Who cares if they can afford to the state will pay "

It is a basic human right to have a family. Our bodies tell us to have one and sometimes so do our brains.

If anyone thinks there really is such as thing as equal pay for every single person on this planet then do prove it or shut your faces.

Only quoted one ignorant bigot but seen there are a few in here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well, tonight thank God it's them instead of you".......

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

""Well, tonight thank God it's them instead of you".......

And it all summed up in 9 words.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

""Well, tonight thank God it's them instead of you".......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

""Well, tonight thank God it's them instead of you".......

And it all summed up in 9 words.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

""Well, tonight thank God it's them instead of you".......

And it all summed up in 9 words.....

More thumbs up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hilda's arguments are put forward by a lot of people. they are no less valid then anybody else's. unfortunately the problems of foreign aid aren't easily solved by just throwing money at them. The people that this aid is ment to reach can sometimes never see much of it due to the logistics and corruption of the region they live in. A lot of the time the need is caused by natural disaster or war, something these people could not plan for so you can't possible blame them for not being able to feed their families. unfortunately the charities give the impression that you can solve these problems by simply giving them money. this is not the case, Political change and education is needed as well as resources."

Good intelligent post.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good intelligent post.

Charity is not always aimed at solving the problem its about helping alleviate suffering .... its about offing support.... its about giving hope.... its about compassion..

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

LMAO, has (my thread) erupted into an arguement. About who's right or wrong? PMSL.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good intelligent post.

Charity is not always aimed at solving the problem its about helping alleviate suffering .... its about offing support.... its about giving hope.... its about compassion.."

Yes and people who run and work for charities get paid a lot of money

and get to feel ever so good about themselves.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good intelligent post.

Charity is not always aimed at solving the problem its about helping alleviate suffering .... its about offing support.... its about giving hope.... its about compassion..

Yes and people who run and work for charities get paid a lot of money

and get to feel ever so good about themselves.

Can I just ask how many areas of Africa have you visited in a capacity that allowed you to assess at first hand aid situations you’ve suggested are directly related to overpopulation…?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good intelligent post.

Charity is not always aimed at solving the problem its about helping alleviate suffering .... its about offing support.... its about giving hope.... its about compassion..

Yes and people who run and work for charities get paid a lot of money

and get to feel ever so good about themselves.

Can I just ask how many areas of Africa have you visited in a capacity that allowed you to assess at first hand aid situations you’ve suggested are directly related to overpopulation…?

take them some condoms.

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By *teveanddebsCouple over a year ago

Norwich

Imagine the scene at a giant cancer charities HQ:

Mike the Minion bursts into the CEO, Bill the Boss, office. "Sir, sir I found it, I've discovered a cure for cancer:

"Shit not again" thinks Billy with visions of the big salary, company car etc all vanishing in a puff of smoke.

"Calm down Mike and take a seat" he says. Mike sits down and instantly the seat tips back and he dissapears down a hidden chute. Billy presses the button on his desk to warn the disposal department that another victim is on the way.

Safe until the next time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Imagine the scene at a giant cancer charities HQ:

Mike the Minion bursts into the CEO, Bill the Boss, office. "Sir, sir I found it, I've discovered a cure for cancer:

"Shit not again" thinks Billy with visions of the big salary, company car etc all vanishing in a puff of smoke.

Safe until the next time."

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By *SweetVioletxWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"charities being ran as a hard nose business does not sit well with me - I prefer charities stating how much of the donation reaches the intended target

Also some charities are now asking for a certain amount - e.g. sali army ask for 19 pound - which is a lot of money to me

If they aren't run as hard nosed businesses these days they close. It really is as simple as that.

Charities don't pay VAT (FACT)."

FACT Charities do. I know I have worked for many and work on the finance side. Only specific activities are exempt from VAT.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Imagine the scene at a giant cancer charities HQ:

Mike the Minion bursts into the CEO, Bill the Boss, office. "Sir, sir I found it, I've discovered a cure for cancer:

"Shit not again" thinks Billy with visions of the big salary, company car etc all vanishing in a puff of smoke.

Safe until the next time."

Something very similar has been suggested on these very fora in the past.

When I worked in HIV we had the breakthrough of retroviral drugs. The focus for charities and services had to change from dying of to living with. I was very happy to work on closing charities and merging others because we didn't need the same response anymore.

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By *SweetVioletxWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

Good intelligent post.

Charity is not always aimed at solving the problem its about helping alleviate suffering .... its about offing support.... its about giving hope.... its about compassion..

Yes and people who run and work for charities get paid a lot of money

and get to feel ever so good about themselves.

Nope we don't. We get paid mostly below the market rate. I would get paid more in the private sector but prefer working where I do. For many reasons but it being a charity is one of them.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"charities being ran as a hard nose business does not sit well with me - I prefer charities stating how much of the donation reaches the intended target

Also some charities are now asking for a certain amount - e.g. sali army ask for 19 pound - which is a lot of money to me

If they aren't run as hard nosed businesses these days they close. It really is as simple as that.

Charities don't pay VAT (FACT).

FACT Charities do. I know I have worked for many and work on the finance side. Only specific activities are exempt from VAT."

I tried pointing out the facts yesterday but the FACT here is that entrenched _iews on here are immutable. It suits the thread dynamic.

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By *SweetVioletxWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

Water. Aid.

Blind. Aid.

Sightsaving.org

Syrian. Aid.

Salvation. Army.

Etc.

You get my drift.

Every year on our TV screens. Where does all this money go? if the money went to the right people. These "adverts" wouldn't appear again.

Sadly, with most large charities, the bulk of the money donated goes towards funding the operating of the charity rather than the cause itself "

Again it does vary from Charity to Charity but the larger the charity the better they are in value for money terms as they can provide more for each pound they receive. However the bulk of the money will go to front line services with an average percentage of 20 percent of less will go to the infrastructure which supports delivery.

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By *et a roomCouple over a year ago

Leeds

"it's sickening, especially how we are expected to fun africa through every stage of it's life.

here's an idea, stop having so many fucking kids.

One completely ignorant and frankly disgusting comment and to give it 3 thumbs up as well makes you even worse.

Poor show and should both be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh silly me I thought we still had freedom of speech in this country.

Only if it matches that of the easily offended

Yes, better not say anything again.

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By *et a roomCouple over a year ago

Leeds

I am appalled at some of the _iews expressed in this thread. At least it acts as another filter.

Merry Christmas to everyone and try to spare a thought for those less fortunate than we are.

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By *obbytupperMan over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

"I spend at least 3 month each year volunteering overseas on water-aid type projects and I see at first hand the true value achieved as a result of the generosity of people who make donations.

I do however find the near saturation of TV adverts can be overwhelming and I understand why some people feel disenchanted at the continuous bombardment of our emotional conscious...

BRAVO! Soxy, it is heartwarming to hear of someone going out of their way to help those less fortunate. Well done that man.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am appalled at some of the _iews expressed in this thread. At least it acts as another filter.

Merry Christmas to everyone and try to spare a thought for those less fortunate than we are. "

I spare a thought for those less fortunate than we are every day, not just at xmas, and not just those in Africa. And yes it does act as a useful filter to know whats what on here.

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By *SweetVioletxWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

Oh I give up on reading this thread load of ranting nonsense.

If you don't like what charities do don't don't support them if you do then do not really rocket science.

But whatever you think more services than you think are provided by charities in the UK. Many which should be delivered by our Government are in fact delivered by the Charitable sector. There won't be one person on this thread who won't themselves or have someone close to them who will have been supported by a Charity at some point in their life.

So moan all you like but you'd all be in a worse place without them and the people as who work for them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"LMAO, has (my thread) erupted into an arguement. About who's right or wrong? PMSL."

At least your happy then.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

H.L. you are the 1 that's getting yourself hot under the collar about my thread.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A yes but nowadays it's everyone's right to have kids don't you know. Who cares if they can afford to the state will pay

It is a basic human right to have a family. Our bodies tell us to have one and sometimes so do our brains.

If anyone thinks there really is such as thing as equal pay for every single person on this planet then do prove it or shut your faces.

Only quoted one ignorant bigot but seen there are a few in here."

Bigot - a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions

Seems to sum you up nicely on the basis of your posting

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A yes but nowadays it's everyone's right to have kids don't you know. Who cares if they can afford to the state will pay

It is a basic human right to have a family. Our bodies tell us to have one and sometimes so do our brains.

If anyone thinks there really is such as thing as equal pay for every single person on this planet then do prove it or shut your faces.

Only quoted one ignorant bigot but seen there are a few in here.

Bigot - a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions

Seems to sum you up nicely on the basis of your posting"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"H.L. you are the 1 that's getting yourself hot under the collar about my thread."

Realy, just me is it.

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