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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago
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Wheel clampers are to be banned from operating on private land in England and Wales, the government has said.
The legislation, to be introduced in November, will result in anyone clamping a vehicle or towing it away on private land facing tougher penalties.
Now I think something has to be done about the cowboys. But a total ban??? Is this a good thing or will it create even more problems?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They park on my land...i just shoot em 
I think that's banned too "
Give the Tory b*st*rds time and they'll change that too. The Fib Dems will bend over and take it up the ronson like the good little puppets thay are. |
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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago
Up North :-) |
"They park on my land...i just shoot em
I think that's banned too
Give the Tory b*st*rds time and they'll change that too. The Fib Dems will bend over and take it up the ronson like the good little puppets thay are."
It gives peeps cart blanche to park where thy like on private land and drive away afters though.
As for the tory's well im all for a gun for all responsible citizens. 2 or 3 for us very responsible ones |
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By *uss PussWoman
over a year ago
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"They park on my land...i just shoot em
I think that's banned too
Give the Tory b*st*rds time and they'll change that too. The Fib Dems will bend over and take it up the ronson like the good little puppets thay are.
It gives peeps cart blanche to park where thy like on private land and drive away afters though.
As for the tory's well im all for a gun for all responsible citizens. 2 or 3 for us very responsible ones "
That me out then |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No its not a good idea but what they should do is be strictly regulated with fines set at the same levels as local councils instead of just charging what they like xx |
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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago
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"No its not a good idea but what they should do is be strictly regulated with fines set at the same levels as local councils instead of just charging what they like xx "
A maximum fine of say £100 then or means related? Richer pay more? |
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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago
Up North :-) |
"They park on my land...i just shoot em
I think that's banned too
Give the Tory b*st*rds time and they'll change that too. The Fib Dems will bend over and take it up the ronson like the good little puppets thay are.
It gives peeps cart blanche to park where thy like on private land and drive away afters though.
As for the tory's well im all for a gun for all responsible citizens. 2 or 3 for us very responsible ones
That me out then "
Fuss puss with a gun! Well depends who you would shoot  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They park on my land...i just shoot em
I think that's banned too
Bugger....life is just no fun anymore "
Reckon they would claim it was against their human rights if ya shot em as well  |
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By *uss PussWoman
over a year ago
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"They park on my land...i just shoot em
I think that's banned too
Bugger....life is just no fun anymore
Reckon they would claim it was against their human rights if ya shot em as well "
crap innit |
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If you saqw the thing on C4 news tonight, you'd be (like me) looking to buy a hand gun.
They clamped the womans car and towed it. Demanded £350 CASH for it. Wouldnt let her into the compund to get her handbag so she could phone, get money etc.
Bastards. Complete and utter bastards. |
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By *uss PussWoman
over a year ago
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Did anyone see the bloke who refused to get out of his car as they towed him, 30 hours he was in it and got his fine down to £100. He said as it was Ramadan (think it was that one) he could read the Koran in peace lol Good on him!!! |
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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago
Up North :-) |
"If you saqw the thing on C4 news tonight, you'd be (like me) looking to buy a hand gun.
They clamped the womans car and towed it. Demanded £350 CASH for it. Wouldnt let her into the compund to get her handbag so she could phone, get money etc.
Bastards. Complete and utter bastards."
Yep some are complete tw@ts over it. I think 3rd party clamper's should be banned but if some arse parked on my drive i would like the ability to clamp him my self. |
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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago
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"Did anyone see the bloke who refused to get out of his car as they towed him, 30 hours he was in it and got his fine down to £100. He said as it was Ramadan (think it was that one) he could read the Koran in peace lol Good on him!!!"
He as the one who parked in a private carpark for residents wasn't he. £100 is fair i guess. He got the fine up to £3000 plus i heard before they relented. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you saqw the thing on C4 news tonight, you'd be (like me) looking to buy a hand gun.
They clamped the womans car and towed it. Demanded £350 CASH for it. Wouldnt let her into the compund to get her handbag so she could phone, get money etc.
Bastards. Complete and utter bastards.
Yep some are complete tw@ts over it. I think 3rd party clamper's should be banned but if some arse parked on my drive i would like the ability to clamp him my self. "
Just block him/ her in. |
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Todays decision to ban clamping was just 'tabloid politics', pick something the public hates and be seen to be acting on it.
All the government had to do is prohibit private companies clamping, hand all contracts over to councils, and impose a statutory regulated maximum fine.
Instead they played popular politics with the issue, now parking on private land will be abused again. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They park on my land...i just shoot em
I think that's banned too
Give the Tory b*st*rds time and they'll change that too. The Fib Dems will bend over and take it up the ronson like the good little puppets thay are."
and the idiots of the Labour party will talk about repealing the law then do nothing, like when they say they will introduce bans and don't, the way they said the would re-nationalise all companies and didn't, they way they said they would abolish VAT when it was introduced and didn't (though they did raise it) the way they said they would stop Thatchers "right to buy" and didn't same with Poll Tax which is still here, talk talk talk labour |
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The whole thing could have been much better handled if the 'authorities' which includes both govt and councils had stopped totally unregulated cowboy bullies setting up in the clamping and towing business.
The amount of pain and anguish which must have been caused by these people makes me seethe - and i'm the last person to be described as a bleeding heart liberal.
I almost got into a rant there.. |
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You are wrong Jed, Labour have NEVER raised the rate of Vat at any time when in office.
All increases in Vat since it's introduction in the UK have come under Tory governments.
And Poll Tax is not still here.
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Council Tax is charged in the same way as the old Rates system (pre Poll Tax), on the banding values of property.
Poll Tax (Community Tax) is based on a head tax, in other words on the amount of individual adults living in any registered property.
This meant a family with two adult children, all on very low income, would pay more than some old biddy living in a Two million pound house. |
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"Council Tax is charged in the same way as the old Rates system (pre Poll Tax), on the banding values of property.
Poll Tax (Community Tax) is based on a head tax, in other words on the amount of individual adults living in any registered property.
This meant a family with two adult children, all on very low income, would pay more than some old biddy living in a Two million pound house."
Whereas now an old biddy, who paid £350 for her house in 1946, and who now lives on a state pension, pays £3500 a year in council tax 'cos it's in a nice area and has appreciated in value.
Whereas the self employed builder and 5 kids who live in the council house down the road and drives a range rover, pay next to nothing.
Because the system is a property based tax and bears no relation whatsoever to ability to pay, or the amount of council services used.
Because home owners, are a sitting target. So just becasue they scrimped, saved and invested their money in their home they are financially punished for it.
Say what yo0u like about the Poll Tax, but it was actually a very Socialist idea - i.e everybody pays something. But the people who werent paying rates didnt fancy the idea atall.
And the tories (bless 'em) made a complete bals up of introducing it.
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The trouble with the Poll Tax was it was not based on the ability to pay, nor was it connected to the income of a household.
But it's downfall was that it was left to individual Councils to set the rates of Poll Tax, which was ok until it became apparent that Central Government (Tory) was giving grants to selected Councils in order to influence voting in local elections. The trouble being these grants inevitably went to Councils that were not Labour strongholds, resulting in many inner cities having higher Poll Taxes than leafy Surrey suburbs.....
So a couple with a joint income of £60k in a £500k house in Sutton turned out to be paying less council tax than a couple living in a run down council house in Croydon earning £20k.
Still the good thing is it led to the downfall of Thatcher.....so not all bad. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If you saqw the thing on C4 news tonight, you'd be (like me) looking to buy a hand gun.
They clamped the womans car and towed it. Demanded £350 CASH for it. Wouldnt let her into the compund to get her handbag so she could phone, get money etc.
Bastards. Complete and utter bastards.
Yep some are complete tw@ts over it. I think 3rd party clamper's should be banned but if some arse parked on my drive i would like the ability to clamp him my self. "
You have the option of ordering a skip and plonking it front of his car for a week. I know someone who did just that in North London to a City worker who thought he would be out for the day so he wouldn't know. He was mightily pissed off when told to fuck off for a week. |
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"You are wrong Jed, Labour have NEVER raised the rate of Vat at any time when in office.
All increases in Vat since it's introduction in the UK have come under Tory governments.
And Poll Tax is not still here.
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Quote from The Times Online, 26 November, 2008:
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A fresh Pre-Budget Report row emerged last night after it was disclosed that Alistair Darling had rejected at the last minute a move to raise VAT by 1 per cent after the next election. A Treasury document, inadvertently published on a government website, showed that ministers had recently considering raising VAT from 17.5 per cent to 18.5 per cent in 2011.
A temporary 2.5 per cent cut in VAT, which will expire in January 2010, was announced on Monday.
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They may not have actually done it, but plans were pretty much in place to do it, and they most certainly were going to raise VAT to 20% if they'd won the election. Both parties were committed to raising VAT, that much is undeniable. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In some places its hard to distinguish which is private land etc. ?
And i bet the cowboy clampers find a loophole they will exploit.
As for skips....
oooooo dont....I wanted one and if i couldnt park in a small bay used by my neighbours knackered clapped out car...the council charge me for doing so.
the other parking bay taken up by his van 
So i did summat naughty and reported the car as dumped and along the council come and towed it and made neighbour pay for the privilage  |
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But history shows that a Labour government NEVER raised Vat since it's introduction in the UK......
What governments 'consider' and what governments actually do are two completely different things.
God knows what has been considered by past governments.....we might be shocked if we knew.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In some places its hard to distinguish which is private land etc. ?
And i bet the cowboy clampers find a loophole they will exploit.
As for skips....
oooooo dont....I wanted one and if i couldnt park in a small bay used by my neighbours knackered clapped out car...the council charge me for doing so.
the other parking bay taken up by his van
So i did summat naughty and reported the car as dumped and along the council come and towed it and made neighbour pay for the privilage "
Good for you. Why should he have two paces and you none. Selfish git. |
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if you've parked where there is a sign, and by sign it should be big bold and clearly visable, that clealy states "clamping"...then you're a twat and deserve to pay...
if you park on someones private drive then you're an ignorant twat and deserve your wing mirrors kicked in...
the ones which are a pisser are those that give you a ticket for parking more than a few hours on a retail park, especially when you are at the said retail park shopping or eating  |
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"But history shows that a Labour government NEVER raised Vat since it's introduction in the UK......
What governments 'consider' and what governments actually do are two completely different things.
God knows what has been considered by past governments.....we might be shocked if we knew.
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Fair point Jane, but in this instance it was more than just a consideration and the planned rise after the election was an absolute. It makes the case that Labour never raised VAT although true, a little weak, as that's exactly what they planned to do on more than one occasion. Who knows why Darling change tack at the last minute. Did he do it for fiscal reasons, or simply because he knew he'd be breaking an election pledge and get hammered for it. We'll have to wait for his book to come out - one I'm actually looking forward to reading tbh. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"if you've parked where there is a sign, and by sign it should be big bold and clearly visable, that clealy states "clamping"...then you're a twat and deserve to pay...
if you park on someones private drive then you're an ignorant twat and deserve your wing mirrors kicked in...
the ones which are a pisser are those that give you a ticket for parking more than a few hours on a retail park, especially when you are at the said retail park shopping or eating "
I'm all for the ban on clamping, but I believe it should be extended to be a total ban, not just on private land, as those companies earning a fortune from the misery of many honest motorists are not going to simply shut up shop and piss off - they'll find a loophole somewhere and continue as before.
In this instance it really is a case of too many cooks spoiled the broth. If they'd left clamping to the jurisdiction of the Highways Agency and on public parking only then we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
Illegal parking on private land can be enforced in other ways, photographic evidence is one way, and repeat offenders captured photographically can be handed to the police to deal with, and points added to their licence - I am certain that most motorists, when faced with increasing points and a possible ban on driving, will think a lot differently when parking their car. Holding motorists to ransom to the tune of £000's of pounds as seen only this week is simply not on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"if you've parked where there is a sign, and by sign it should be big bold and clearly visable, that clealy states "clamping"...then you're a twat and deserve to pay...
if you park on someones private drive then you're an ignorant twat and deserve your wing mirrors kicked in...
the ones which are a pisser are those that give you a ticket for parking more than a few hours on a retail park, especially when you are at the said retail park shopping or eating "
That's a bit selective innit ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I work for a company that has a private loading bay for our goods in,and has a company employed by our land lord who have the power to clamp people who park in our loading bay illegally,which I think is a good idea as last year we had a delivery held up for 2 hours as the driver could not safely back into our loading bay without fear of damaging this illegally parked car.I do understand why cowboy clampers should be dealt with but at the same time there are people who are selfish and park illegally and don't think what problems this may incur. |
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I pay my local council £450 a year for an Annual Parking Permit with an additional £400 a year for an Annual Site Specific Permit......this is to park in the space behind my shop, still doesn't stop idiots taking the space I pay for (with my number plate on show).
To give the council their due they did operate a clamping service to protect Permit holders....which will now go under the new legislation.
I wonder if the government stopped to think of all the consequences of their 'popular politics' action?
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"if you've parked where there is a sign, and by sign it should be big bold and clearly visable, that clealy states "clamping"...then you're a twat and deserve to pay...
if you park on someones private drive then you're an ignorant twat and deserve your wing mirrors kicked in...
the ones which are a pisser are those that give you a ticket for parking more than a few hours on a retail park, especially when you are at the said retail park shopping or eating
That's a bit selective innit ? "
selective,objective,constructive, obstrutive?...whats an adjective amonst fellow collectives? |
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"I pay my local council £450 a year for an Annual Parking Permit with an additional £400 a year for an Annual Site Specific Permit......this is to park in the space behind my shop, still doesn't stop idiots taking the space I pay for (with my number plate on show).
To give the council their due they did operate a clamping service to protect Permit holders....which will now go under the new legislation.
I wonder if the government stopped to think of all the consequences of their 'popular politics' action?
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They should be towed away not clamped them if its your spot you can at least use it. |
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You could always get out the ones designed for nipple use....although that may attratct MORE people!
In Scotland clamping on private land has always been illegal & it doesnt seeem to have done a lot of harm.
If you have a car park,I suppose you now need to put a gate up rather than rely on dodgy cowboys.
They only have themselves to blame though-insane prices,criminal practices, and dodgy dealings have gone unchecked for years by those tasked to enforce standards |
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I have always thought a large portion of the arguement for clamping was a stupid ... even if the clampers did manage to operate within the law (there's a joke).
Cars being parked in dangerous places, obstructing safety, blocking access, taking up private spaces..... yeah, let's clamp them so they can't fecking move! |
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"I have always thought a large portion of the arguement for clamping was a stupid ... even if the clampers did manage to operate within the law (there's a joke).
Cars being parked in dangerous places, obstructing safety, blocking access, taking up private spaces..... yeah, let's clamp them so they can't fecking move! "
Quite right they should be towed away, maybe that's what hm gov. has in mind. |
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"I have always thought a large portion of the arguement for clamping was a stupid ... even if the clampers did manage to operate within the law (there's a joke).
Cars being parked in dangerous places, obstructing safety, blocking access, taking up private spaces..... yeah, let's clamp them so they can't fecking move!
Quite right they should be towed away, maybe that's what hm gov. has in mind. "
Rather doubt it, at the end of the day the private land in question doesn't belong to the government so they would have no powers as a government to implement towing.
Towing is the realm of land owners/councils/police.....the latter two having 25% of their budgets cut from October. |
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You can see where this is going can't you. infuriated land owners, parking space owners taking the law into their own hands and vandalising illegally parked cars |
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By *andcCouple
over a year ago
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"The trouble with the Poll Tax was it was not based on the ability to pay, nor was it connected to the income of a household.
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Neither is the council tax, it has nothing to do with your ability to pay, or household income!
We live in our house with two grown up children, all on excellent wages, we pay the same as the couple next door on an average wage, we have four people using all the services, much more rubbish etc... than them next door, but you seem to think that's OK?
Surely local taxes based on your house is flawed, when our children move out we could just move into a small terrace house and pay nothing, but have an income of say £250 000, we would pay the same council tax as the people on
£25 000 who live next door! A better solution is a local income tax where your ability to pay and income would be taken into account and nothing to do with the value of your house, also EVERONE would pay. |
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"The trouble with the Poll Tax was it was not based on the ability to pay, nor was it connected to the income of a household.
Neither is the council tax, it has nothing to do with your ability to pay, or household income!
We live in our house with two grown up children, all on excellent wages, we pay the same as the couple next door on an average wage, we have four people using all the services, much more rubbish etc... than them next door, but you seem to think that's OK?
Surely local taxes based on your house is flawed, when our children move out we could just move into a small terrace house and pay nothing, but have an income of say £250 000, we would pay the same council tax as the people on
£25 000 who live next door! A better solution is a local income tax where your ability to pay and income would be taken into account and nothing to do with the value of your house, also EVERONE would pay."
Council tax is banded so if your rich an live in a big house you pay more. Its based on how much your prepared to pay for your property, well the value of it if your renting it. That's fairer than all paying the same isn't it. |
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The clamping ban is a good thing, it should be extended to all locations
Impose a fine through a ticketing system with photographic evidence.
I agree, park illegally and pay the price, what I don't want is some thug walking a lone woman, or elderly person to the cash point and extorting cash from them at whatever level they see fit.
The ticketing system allows people to appeal, whereas clamping is indiscriminate, you need to pay then try and prove misappropriation, its very difficult to do.
Its effectively legalised ransom and needs to be stopped.
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On the subject of VAT, commentators said "why bother" when they dropped it 2.5% as it was hardly worth it and it and now its a massive hike when they add 2.5%, I guess its the fairest tax, a pay as you buy tax, but hellishly difficult to avoid. |
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By *andcCouple
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"The trouble with the Poll Tax was it was not based on the ability to pay, nor was it connected to the income of a household.
Neither is the council tax, it has nothing to do with your ability to pay, or household income!
We live in our house with two grown up children, all on excellent wages, we pay the same as the couple next door on an average wage, we have four people using all the services, much more rubbish etc... than them next door, but you seem to think that's OK?
Surely local taxes based on your house is flawed, when our children move out we could just move into a small terrace house and pay nothing, but have an income of say £250 000, we would pay the same council tax as the people on
£25 000 who live next door! A better solution is a local income tax where your ability to pay and income would be taken into account and nothing to do with the value of your house, also EVERONE would pay.
Council tax is banded so if your rich an live in a big house you pay more. Its based on how much your prepared to pay for your property, well the value of it if your renting it. That's fairer than all paying the same isn't it."
NO! just because you live in a big house mean nothing, what if your on a average income and your Aunt Maude leaves you her lovely big house worth loads, you have to sell it because you cannot afford the council tax!
Also you use the same services whether you live in a mansion or a terrace house, again a millionaire can live in a terrace house, the council tax won't make him pay any more than Mr average who live next door? |
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"The clamping ban is a good thing, it should be extended to all locations
Impose a fine through a ticketing system with photographic evidence.
I agree, park illegally and pay the price, what I don't want is some thug walking a lone woman, or elderly person to the cash point and extorting cash from them at whatever level they see fit.
The ticketing system allows people to appeal, whereas clamping is indiscriminate, you need to pay then try and prove misappropriation, its very difficult to do.
Its effectively legalised ransom and needs to be stopped.
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I would agree with you totally on that. There needs to be a detergent but hundreds of pounds to get your car relented is not fair. If clamping firms needed a licence in the first place we might have not had the extortion some of them have used over the past few years. |
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"The clamping ban is a good thing, it should be extended to all locations
Impose a fine through a ticketing system with photographic evidence.
I agree, park illegally and pay the price, what I don't want is some thug walking a lone woman, or elderly person to the cash point and extorting cash from them at whatever level they see fit.
The ticketing system allows people to appeal, whereas clamping is indiscriminate, you need to pay then try and prove misappropriation, its very difficult to do.
Its effectively legalised ransom and needs to be stopped.
I would agree with you totally on that. There needs to be a detergent but hundreds of pounds to get your car relented is not fair. If clamping firms needed a licence in the first place we might have not had the extortion some of them have used over the past few years."
giggles @ detergent... well, some people get properly cleaned out by these rogues. |
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