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84 children murdered by the Taliban for being in school...

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

http://news.sky.com/story/1392664/pakistan-taliban-kill-84-children-in-school-raid

Just defies belief....

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

I thought yesterday was bad in Austrlia - which is was, now look at this.

FFS

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By *ire_bladeMan over a year ago

Manchester

Ffs madness

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What is this world coming too .....Them poor poor kids and their families. They need sorting out and stopped so they cant do this to others .

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

There are no excuses, no justifications. This is simply and act of barbarity and terror.

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By *UN TIME COUPLECouple over a year ago

redditch

Wtf what the hell is wrong with these people if your at war fight the army why do so many innocents have to die

Or suffer this world is fucked up !!!

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By *MOOTH AND ROUGHCouple over a year ago

tamworth

Such a shame and I think this is only the start of things to come

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

These killers have no rule book, in the days of WW1 ww2 there were rules as daft as that sounds

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Had to switch the news off, couldn't watch it.

Targeting children FFS, that's just horrific, absolutely nothing justifies that.

Heart goes out to all the families & children.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Unbelievable

those poor children x

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By *imply_SensualMan over a year ago

warrington

When you have kids, stories like this hit you a lot harder than other stories because you automatically think about your own children - its disgraceful the way some of these militant organisations operate, as the above poster says, they are without rules.

The only upside, if it can be called that, is that a perverse consequence of their actions could be for the world to stand up and realise just how bad these radicalised organisations are, that they are prepared to do things even worse than we already know in pursuit of their aims. We have been hearing the voices of non-radicalised religious groups speaking out against these people more and more recently, and I think (and hope) that that voice continues to be raised.

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"These killers have no rule book, in the days of WW1 ww2 there were rules as daft as that sounds"

Like with football Hoolies.

These nutters are just utter scum I dont care what your so called organisation is called, your all the fucking same.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Such a shame and I think this is only the start of things to come "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Call me a conspiracy theorist but i call bull on these so called terror attacks....its not in the realms of impossibility that the government would kill their own citizens for political gain.

We all know what happened on 9/11.

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"Call me a conspiracy theorist but i call bull on these so called terror attacks....its not in the realms of impossibility that the government would kill their own citizens for political gain.

We all know what happened on 9/11.

Is it too late to delete if I press the quote button?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Call me a conspiracy theorist but i call bull on these so called terror attacks....its not in the realms of impossibility that the government would kill their own citizens for political gain.

We all know what happened on 9/11.

Pre 911 can you perhaps give explanation to all the atrocities occurring in the middle East?

It's a messed up horrible situation but motives aside for invasion and intervention, I didn't see many protectors against our countries role, marching to tell off the dictators and talk ban about their policies ?

The fact that people against our country can protest here, speaks volumes about the fact we are a better place even with the mistakes we make.

Awful awful things and we need to realise that tackling such behaviour means unpleasant action is necessary.

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

Ohh great a political argument on its way no doubt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have no words

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By *obbytupperMan over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

I'm sure we must brace ourselves for even more of this evil outrage. Time to cut the head off this dragon......but how?

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By *emmefataleWoman over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

CUNTS.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I dunno just seems fishy since 9/11 the media have always had to keep up the narrative...like the cold war communist red scare era..thats the world we live in now but doesnt have to be, for example cars kill more than any terrorist but thats not sexy enough for news

You gotta remember the highest bidder gets to tell the story. Thats the capitalist nature of everything. The goal is profit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's extreme Islam for you.

More and more convinced this world has no room for religion and primitive belief systems anymore.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Call me a conspiracy theorist but i call bull on these so called terror attacks....its not in the realms of impossibility that the government would kill their own citizens for political gain.

We all know what happened on 9/11.

Are you for real? Conspiracy theory? You will tell us next we never landed on the moon. Ffs!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Death toll has risen to 126. Very very sad. My thought are with the victims, family and friends.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Death toll has risen to 126. Very very sad. My thought are with the victims, family and friends.

Absolutely horrific and abhorrent.

Those who planned and carried out this attack and others like it deserve no mercy.

Fighting a war against an army is one thing, waging a war against innocent children who want nothing more than an education is pure evil.

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By *emmefataleWoman over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Call me a conspiracy theorist but i call bull on these so called terror attacks....its not in the realms of impossibility that the government would kill their own citizens for political gain.

We all know what happened on 9/11.

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Is it a full moon tonight....someone check the water supply!

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By *obbytupperMan over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

"Call me a conspiracy theorist but i call bull on these so called terror attacks....its not in the realms of impossibility that the government would kill their own citizens for political gain.

We all know what happened on 9/11.

Are you for real? Conspiracy theory? You will tell us next we never landed on the moon. Ffs!"

Best ignored Nobby, he's on another planet. Obviously no empathy.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Call me a conspiracy theorist but i call bull on these so called terror attacks....its not in the realms of impossibility that the government would kill their own citizens for political gain.

We all know what happened on 9/11.

Take those conspiracy theories with you when you crawl back under your rock.

Over 100 innocent children have been murdered, this is no place to be spouting your fantasies....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Call me a conspiracy theorist but i call bull on these so called terror attacks....its not in the realms of impossibility that the government would kill their own citizens for political gain.

We all know what happened on 9/11.

Is it a full moon tonight....someone check the water supply!

Doolally tap springs to mind.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dunno just seems fishy since 9/11 the media have always had to keep up the narrative...like the cold war communist red scare era..thats the world we live in now but doesnt have to be, for example cars kill more than any terrorist but thats not sexy enough for news

You gotta remember the highest bidder gets to tell the story. Thats the capitalist nature of everything. The goal is profit.

Cars generally kill as a consequence of poor driving or mistakes.

Executing someone is hardly comparable and is a distasteful one too I believe.

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

See look what happens, we all talk about what this guy has said rather than passing any respect to the awful story in the OP.

I dont mind talking in another thread about consiracy's but we shouldnt in here.

The only thing we should be talking about and trying to imagine is how those parents feel right now.

Yes, I know this post in itself keeps the attention off the original story.

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS over a year ago

Limavady

"These killers have no rule book, in the days of WW1 ww2 there were rules as daft as that sounds"

Not supporting the killing but as you say, saying there were rules IS daft.

Only today is the centenary of the Germans shelling of Hartlepool in WW1

Millions of civilinns died during Germany invasion of USSR in WW2

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"These killers have no rule book, in the days of WW1 ww2 there were rules as daft as that sounds

Not supporting the killing but as you say, saying there were rules IS daft.

Only today is the centenary of the Germans shelling of Hartlepool in WW1

Millions of civilinns died during Germany invasion of USSR in WW2"

And rules for mustard gas in ww1 or gas chambers and auswich in ww2?

Does not take away from the horror of this story tho.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"See look what happens, we all talk about what this guy has said rather than passing any respect to the awful story in the OP.

I dont mind talking in another thread about consiracy's but we shouldnt in here.

The only thing we should be talking about and trying to imagine is how those parents feel right now.

Yes, I know this post in itself keeps the attention off the original story."

Yes ok fair one. Simply an awful thing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How someone can aim a gun at a child and pull the trigger with no remorse saddens me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As the token muslim gotta comment on this!

Only joking; but I must say, barbarity and evil of the highest order. How anyone can ever justify killing children is beyond me

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By *UN TIME COUPLECouple over a year ago

redditch

Couldnt even for a second begin to feel what them poor parents an family's are going through so tragic that all those young victims lost there lives today hope the bastards that done it die a slow an painfull death !!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I won't even try to comprehend the grief the parents must be going through. I will say the have my deepest sympathy's in this a terrible time for them.

For the people who done this. You can't call yourselves religious in any way because how can you do this in the name of allah ? If the dude exists you will all surely be damned for this barbaric act upon innocent children.

Him

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By *eerobCouple over a year ago

solihull

The killers are real tough guys, shooting unarmed children must make them feel really proud and heroic. Didnt think the nazis could be surpassed for inhumane cruelty, seems many can match them at least. Despicable.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I won't even try to comprehend the grief the parents must be going through. I will say the have my deepest sympathy's in this a terrible time for them.

Him"

Bearing in mind it says in the Qu'ran that all murderers go to hell, pretty much.

Also says the same about people who commit suicide or kill christians and jews. Which must be great for all those suicide bombers who go around killing christians and jews supposedly in the name of islam.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I know I've said this before on another thread but...

Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

Surely anyone murdering anyone in the name of anything is a nutcase?

If you can take a religion that says 'love your neighbour' and 'thou shalt not kill' (as christianity does), and then use that religion to justify killing people, or take another religion that says very, very clearly in black and white 'all murderers go to hell, as do all people who commit suicide' and 'all jews and christians should be respected and tolerated because they worship the same God as us (as Islam does), and then use that same religion to justify suicide bombing christians and jews, it becomes clear that *any* belief can be twisted to justify heinous acts of this nature.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Call me a conspiracy theorist but i call bull on these so called terror attacks....its not in the realms of impossibility that the government would kill their own citizens for political gain.

We all know what happened on 9/11.

Yes we all know what happened. The loss of innocent lives. With the ORIGINAL POST, the senseless murder of children cannot be justified. The Taliban would have done this as a warning to people in the region not to allow education. They would not have done it for the headlines.

Unless you have seen the real devastation caused by terrorist attacks, you are in no position to call bull. As you sip on your coffee behind the safety of your keyboard, with your internet and TV news feed, be thankful for your right to freely express what you think. However it is not mandatory for you to exercise that right.

I am not saying that the media does not skew things or report on things to get the biggest headlines, but should an atriocity of this nature be ignored in favour of "cat rescued from tree" stories?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lost for words for once

Poor babies

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lost for words for once

Poor babies"

agreed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Call me a conspiracy theorist but i call bull on these so called terror attacks....its not in the realms of impossibility that the government would kill their own citizens for political gain.

We all know what happened on 9/11.

Good post!

I am not saying that the media does not skew things or report on things to get the biggest headlines, but should an atriocity of this nature be ignored in favour of "cat rescued from tree" stories?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Death toll has risen to 126. Very very sad. My thought are with the victims, family and friends.

Absolutely horrific and abhorrent.

Those who planned and carried out this attack and others like it deserve no mercy.

Fighting a war against an army is one thing, waging a war against innocent children who want nothing more than an education is pure evil."

I agree. I'm not going to comment on any other posts on this thread. It's a very very sad world we live in when innocent children are killed like this

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Apparently they shot a two year old.

Let that sink in for a while....

...a two year old!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I know I've said this before on another thread but...

Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

Surely anyone murdering anyone in the name of anything is a nutcase?

I would say that the difference is that Anders Brievik was a lone gunman (nutcase) and the Taliban are an organised group (of nutcases). Both are equally abhorrent. Thankfully Brievik is no longer able to continue what he started but the Taliban will continue despite the deaths of those who've carried out this latest attack.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Agreed, but I was thinking of a particular killing by someone in the name of Christianity that really stood out in the news in recent years.

Of course, the Taliban don't represent Muslims as a whole, just like not all Christians are like Anders Brievik or the Westbro Baptist Church.

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

Well done lads keep arguing

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By *earboynottinghamMan over a year ago

Nottingham

Religion of peace.

LOL

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Agreed, but I was thinking of a particular killing by someone in the name of Christianity that really stood out in the news in recent years.

Of course, the Taliban don't represent Muslims as a whole, just like not all Christians are like Anders Brievik or the Westbro Baptist Church."

There's loonatics on all sides. Thankfully they're in the minority. Sadly though, they do nothing to build peace and trust which surely would be the best solution for everyone rather than distrust and hatred.

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By *arry247Couple over a year ago

Wakefield

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Religion of peace.

LOL"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Retarded Cunts

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

A most horrific and terrible event.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Religion of peace.

LOL

I'm guessing Hilda that you know plenty of muslims then.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Religion of peace.

LOL

I'm guessing Hilda that you know plenty of muslims then."

Yes I do.

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

135 people (and still rising), I hope somehow that those behind this can now see at last they will not achieve what they want and will turn the vast vast majority against them, loudly

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By *awty MaxWoman over a year ago

Edinburgh

Targeting children... I have no words in English or in French to describes that type of people... in fact they are not people... nothing justifies that.

Heart goes out to all the families.

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS over a year ago

Limavady

"Targeting children... I have no words in English or in French to describes that type of people... in fact they are not people... nothing justifies that.

Heart goes out to all the families.

It's appalling when anyone is targeted but dont be surprised. Terrorists have been doing it in Israel since the 40s and Uk since the 70s (amongst numerous other examples)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Targeting children... I have no words in English or in French to describes that type of people... in fact they are not people... nothing justifies that.

Heart goes out to all the families.

It's appalling when anyone is targeted but dont be surprised. Terrorists have been doing it in Israel since the 40s and Uk since the 70s (amongst numerous other examples)"
And how can it be stopped. ? What can they do to stop this going on around the world this killing .. I wish there was something I really do. I keep thinking what next ..

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Religion of peace.

LOL

I'm guessing Hilda that you know plenty of muslims then.

Yes I do."

And they're all radicalised, fundamentalist warmongers? Because if they're not, what's your point?

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Religion of peace.

LOL"

You can't even equate this to religion, it's just evil in its purest form. No religion would condone it. Blaming it on 'Islam' is just lazy, simplistic thinking.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Targeting children... I have no words in English or in French to describes that type of people... in fact they are not people... nothing justifies that.

Heart goes out to all the families.

It's appalling when anyone is targeted but dont be surprised. Terrorists have been doing it in Israel since the 40s and Uk since the 70s (amongst numerous other examples)"

I totally agree this is just an horrendous outrage. Just like the Isis be headings. Totally inhumane. Just like all the other times when mad gunmen in the USA and here shoot children, or anyone.

But your reference to Israel was interesting. I hope you meant the Zionist terrorists that committed far worse than this outrage against innocent Palestinians in '47 and '48. Or the Israeli terrorists who butchered nearly a thousand women and children in exactly the same way at Shattila and elsewhere.

Or were you meaning the Muslims in Ghaza and the West Bank who so wickedly fight for their homeland that was stolen by Zionist terrorists?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

apparently it was revenge for the Pakistan army attacking Pakistan Taliban families. Muslim killing muslim is definitely not allowed in the Koran yet it still happens. The religion has been hijacked as an excuse to exert a sick ideology. the only way to stop it is for Muslims to withdraw their support for any kind of terrorism.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Jesus a post like this and arguments still erupt...R.I.P to the poor children

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Religion of peace.

LOL"

I shouldn't confuse this outrage with religion let alone Islam.

This was all about terrorists using children in their political struggle with Pakistan.

and as one respected Muslim Cleric bravely said after 9 / 11: "While every terrorist may indeed be a Muslim. Not every Muslim is a terrorist". I am just glad the same backlash we are seeing against innocent Muslims wasn't apparent against Christians when Hitler was butchering Jews by the million ....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Religion of peace.

LOL

I'm guessing Hilda that you know plenty of muslims then.

Yes I do."

You're so strong for tolerating their existence.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Targeting children... I have no words in English or in French to describes that type of people... in fact they are not people... nothing justifies that.

Heart goes out to all the families.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Religion of peace.

LOL

I shouldn't confuse this outrage with religion let alone Islam.

This was all about terrorists using children in their political struggle with Pakistan.

Hitler killed Christians as well, just not as many.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

I have no words: those poor wee souls. x

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By *emmefataleWoman over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

Confirmation of 140 deaths.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

yep and plenty of other religious and non religious groups have slaughtered countless people. unfortunately humans have a inbuilt ability to marginalise and attack for no other reason then there own self interests. the only way to curb this is to remove support from those who would like you to lead you into those acts, to question yourself and those in power. sounds simple but unfortunately it would seem, beyond a lot of us.

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS over a year ago

Limavady

"Religion of peace.

LOL

I shouldn't confuse this outrage with religion let alone Islam.

This was all about terrorists using children in their political struggle with Pakistan.

Hitler killed Christians as well, just not as many. "

He actually killed more Christians than Jews

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Religion of peace.

LOL

I shouldn't confuse this outrage with religion let alone Islam.

This was all about terrorists using children in their political struggle with Pakistan.

Hitler killed Christians as well, just not as many.

He actually killed more Christians than Jews "

I'm guessing the original statement was just referring to extermination camps!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Religion of peace.

LOL

I shouldn't confuse this outrage with religion let alone Islam.

This was all about terrorists using children in their political struggle with Pakistan.

Hitler killed Christians as well, just not as many.

He actually killed more Christians than Jews

I'm guessing the original statement was just referring to extermination camps!"

You guess correctly.

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

It's not new. Over 1000 schools have been targeted by the Taliban. Naturally, they prefer people to be uneducated. They are easier to control.

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By *earboynottinghamMan over a year ago

Nottingham

"Religion of peace.

LOL

I shouldn't confuse this outrage with religion let alone Islam.

This was all about terrorists using children in their political struggle with Pakistan.

What backlash would that be?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It now gone up to 141, 132 were children and nine were teachers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Didn't we do a deal with the Taliban before leaving Afghanistan?

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By *ratty_DamselWoman over a year ago

Greater London

Parasites.....

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Religion of peace.

LOL

I shouldn't confuse this outrage with religion let alone Islam.

This was all about terrorists using children in their political struggle with Pakistan.

Hitler killed Christians as well, just not as many.

He actually killed more Christians than Jews

I'm guessing the original statement was just referring to extermination camps!

You guess correctly. "

I'm a good guesser

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"It now gone up to 141, 132 were children and nine were teachers."

One of whom was burned alive in front of her pupils.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It now gone up to 141, 132 were children and nine were teachers.

One of whom was burned alive in front of her pupils.

Evil beyond comprehension....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It now gone up to 141, 132 were children and nine were teachers.

One of whom was burned alive in front of her pupils.

The west should of wiped the taliban scum of the face of the earth i think when they had a chance.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Didn't we do a deal with the Taliban before leaving Afghanistan? "

We 'defeated' the Taliban about six months after we originally entered Afghanistan, if I recall correctly!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

there is more than one 'taliban'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It was backlash at an army run school, as there was an attack against the talisman, the army backed the attack.

Just shows you how cowardly the terrorists have become.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Didn't we do a deal with the Taliban before leaving Afghanistan?

We 'defeated' the Taliban about six months after we originally entered Afghanistan, if I recall correctly!"

Sadly that's just the media spin on it. We never defeated them, we just pushed them out of the way and our ROE's prevented us from finishing the job properly.

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By *uby0000Woman over a year ago

hertfordshire

"How someone can aim a gun at a child and pull the trigger with no remorse saddens me"

they are not human

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Didn't we do a deal with the Taliban before leaving Afghanistan?

We 'defeated' the Taliban about six months after we originally entered Afghanistan, if I recall correctly!"

the taliban fell back to the mountains and re group now there strong again i can see the west going back into afghanistan left to early.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I won't even try to comprehend the grief the parents must be going through. I will say the have my deepest sympathy's in this a terrible time for them.

Him

Bearing in mind it says in the Qu'ran that all murderers go to hell, pretty much.

Out of curiosity though Jay - is the Qu'ran very much like the bible in that it can be used to support just about any action/arguement depending which bits you read and how you interpret them? I.e the bible preaches love and tolerance in the new testament - but parts of the old testament demand that gays should be put to death, for instance!

The act is still barbaric and inexcusable - but I just wonder is the qu'ran is ambiguous as the bible? Xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Didn't we do a deal with the Taliban before leaving Afghanistan?

We 'defeated' the Taliban about six months after we originally entered Afghanistan, if I recall correctly!"

Wasn't that Al-Qaeda?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It now gone up to 141, 132 were children and nine were teachers.

One of whom was burned alive in front of her pupils.

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS over a year ago

Limavady

Just shows you how cowardly the terrorists have become."

Mislead, barbaric and immoral but, in fairness, they are not cowardly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I won't even try to comprehend the grief the parents must be going through. I will say the have my deepest sympathy's in this a terrible time for them.

Him

Bearing in mind it says in the Qu'ran that all murderers go to hell, pretty much.

The act is still barbaric and inexcusable - but I just wonder is the qu'ran is ambiguous as the bible? Xx"

Well that's the thing: the reason Christianity is ambiguous like that is partly because in respect to the New Testament, the Gospels are not nor are they supposed to be what Jesus said: each Gospel is what each gospel writer said happened.

The other reason Christianity is so ambiguous is because Christianity is about faith and belief rather than laws and rules: it is all about 'salvation through God's grace', I.e. You get to heaven because you believe in God. Rules are not as important.

Now this is all very different to Islam (and also Judaism)-firstly, the Qu'ran is supposed to have been transmitted from the Archangel Gabriel (Jibril) direct to Muhammad and; as Muhammad was illiterate and living in a largely illiterate society, each sura (verse) of the Qu'ran was written down pretty much straight away. So the Qu'ran was pretty much written down word-for-word (whereas the gospel writers wrote upwards of thirty years after Jesus' death.

Islam is also (like Judaism) much more bothered about action and ritual than belief. So the actual law, as laid down in the Qu'ran is quite specific. That's also the reason the Old Testament-which is the Jewish Holy book-the Tanakh-is full of rules but the New Testament isn't.

I can cite specific sections of the Qu'ran that say this-and you will see these things are pretty much set in stone.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just shows you how cowardly the terrorists have become.

Mislead, barbaric and immoral but, in fairness, they are not cowardly. "

Shooting children is hardly an act of bravery.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How someone can aim a gun at a child and pull the trigger with no remorse saddens me

they are not human"

But that is the disturbing thing-they are human.

Demonising the enemy only serves to make them seem more of a threat rather than the fringe-group extremists they are.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I won't even try to comprehend the grief the parents must be going through. I will say the have my deepest sympathy's in this a terrible time for them.

Him

Bearing in mind it says in the Qu'ran that all murderers go to hell, pretty much.

The act is still barbaric and inexcusable - but I just wonder is the qu'ran is ambiguous as the bible? Xx

I can cite specific sections of the Qu'ran that say this-and you will see these things are pretty much set in stone."

Aren't the Ten Commandments rules ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As regards respecting Christians and Jews:

Sura 32:23 "We did indeed aforetime give the book to Moses. Be not then in doubt of its reaching (thee): and We made it a guide to the children of Israel."(I.e the Jews)

Sura 3:64 "Say: O People of the Book! (Christians and Jews) Come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves Lords and patrons other than Allah."

Sura 40:53 "We did aforetime give Moses the guidance, and we gave the book in inheritance to the children of Israel." (In other words, the Jews)

Sura 3:184 "Then if they reject thee, So were rejected messengers before thee, who came with clear signs, and the scriptures and the book of enlightenment." Some scholars says that scriptures talked about here may refer to all of the Bible or just Psalms.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I won't even try to comprehend the grief the parents must be going through. I will say the have my deepest sympathy's in this a terrible time for them.

Him

Bearing in mind it says in the Qu'ran that all murderers go to hell, pretty much.

The act is still barbaric and inexcusable - but I just wonder is the qu'ran is ambiguous as the bible? Xx

I can cite specific sections of the Qu'ran that say this-and you will see these things are pretty much set in stone.

Aren't the Ten Commandments rules ?"

Yes but the difference there as regards Christianity is that a person would not go to hell for transgressing the Ten Commandments if they were truly sorry (which is why many Christian denominations have confession) and truly believes, whereas in Judaism, if you transgress the Ten Commandments, that would result in going to hell, unless that person made sacrifices to atone for it.

That's why in Christianity, god the son (Jesus) sacrifices himself (in the crucifixion) to wipe out the sin of humanity.

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS over a year ago

Limavady

Just shows you how cowardly the terrorists have become.

Mislead, barbaric and immoral but, in fairness, they are not cowardly.

Shooting children is hardly an act of bravery. "

I agree it's not. I don't admire them, they've killed a friend a few years ago and they want to impose a minority _iew on an Afghan majority. They're still not cowards. (Or stupid, or badly lead or only motivated by money)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As regards suicide:

"do not kill yourselves, surely God is most Merciful to you."

— Qur'an, Sura 4 (An-Nisa), ayat 29

The prohibition of suicide has also been recorded in statements of hadith, (sayings of Muhammad). For example:

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "He who commits suicide by throttling shall keep on throttling himself in the Hell Fire (forever) and he who commits suicide by stabbing himself shall keep on stabbing himself in the Hell-Fire."

—Sahih al-Bukhari, 2:23:446

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Whoever purposely throws himself from a mountain and kills himself, will be in the (Hell) Fire falling down into it and abiding therein perpetually forever; and whoever drinks poison and kills himself with it, he will be carrying his poison in his hand and drinking it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever; and whoever kills himself with an iron weapon, will be carrying that weapon in his hand and stabbing his abdomen with it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever."

— Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:71:670

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

if there IS a god and his name is allah..surely he cannot sanction this type of slaughter and murder of innocents in his name..?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

While I'm at it, how's about this for ten reasons why Terrorism in the name of Islam is, well, un-Islamic:

1. Terrorism is above all murder. Murder is strictly forbidden in the Qur’an. Qur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”

2. If the motive for terrorism is religious, it is impermissible in Islamic law. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on other people. The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” (-The Cow, 2:256). Note that this verse was revealed in Medina in 622 AD or after and was never abrogated by any other verse of the Quran. Islam’s holy book forbids coercing people into adopting any religion. They have to willingly choose it.

3. Islamic law forbids aggressive warfare. The Quran says, “But if the enemies incline towards peace, do you also incline towards peace. And trust in God! For He is the one who hears and knows all things.” (8:61) The Quran chapter “The Cow,” 2:190, says, “Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not aggressors.”

4. In the Islamic law of war, not just any random person can declare or launch a war. It is the prerogative of the duly constituted leader (or Caliph) of the Muslim community that engages in the war. Nowadays that would not be possible, as there has not been a legitimate Caliph since the Turkish government abolished the office in 1924.

5. The killing of innocent non-combatants is forbidden. According to Sunni tradition, ‘Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph, gave these instructions to his armies: “I instruct you in ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or the infirm; do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any town . . . ” (Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.”)

6. Terrorism or hirabah is forbidden in Islamic law, which groups it with brigandage, highway robbery and extortion rackets– any illicit use of fear and coercion in public spaces for money or power. The principle of forbidding the spreading of terror in the land is based on the Qur’an (Surah al-Ma’ida 5:33–34). Prominent [pdf] Muslim legal scholar Sherman Jackson writes, “The Spanish Maliki jurist Ibn `Abd al-Barr (d. 464/ 1070)) defines the agent of hiraba as ‘Anyone who disturbs free passage in the streets and renders them unsafe to travel, striving to spread corruption in the land by taking money, killing people or violating what God has made it unlawful to violate is guilty of hirabah . . .”

7. Sneak attacks are forbidden. Muslim commanders must give the enemy fair warning that war is imminent. Muhammad at one point gave 4 months notice.

8. The Prophet Muhammad counseled doing good to those who harm you and is said to have commanded, “Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong to them. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong (even) if they do evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)

9. The Qur’an demands of believers that they exercise justice toward people even where they have reason to be angry with them: “And do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness.”[5:8]

10. The Qur’an assures Christians and Jews of paradise if they believe and do good works, and commends Christians as the best friends of Muslims. The Quran does not preach violence against Christians.

Quran 5:69 says: “Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.”

In other words, the Quran promises Christians and Jews along with Muslims that if they have faith and works, they need have no fear in the afterlife. It is not saying that non-Muslims go to hell– quite the opposite.

When speaking of the 7th-century situation in the Muslim city-state of Medina, which was at war with pagan Mecca, the Quran notes that the polytheists and some Arabian Jewish tribes were opposed to Islam, but then goes on to say:

5:82. ” . . . and you will find the nearest in love to the believers [Muslims] those who say: ‘We are Christians.’ That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud.”

So the Quran not only does not urge Muslims to commit violence against Christians, it calls them “nearest in love” to the Muslims! The reason given is their piety, their ability to produce holy persons dedicated to God, and their lack of overweening pride.

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By *emmefataleWoman over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

Lets hope Pakistan stop protecting Taliban and Al Qaeda, now they have turned on them.

Just peeked at the news the coffins piled up are so sad to see.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"if there IS a god and his name is allah..surely he cannot sanction this type of slaughter and murder of innocents in his name..?"

'Allah' is simply the Arabic name for the God which Jews call Yahweh and Christians call Jehovah or God.

Arabic-speaking Christians also call God 'Allah'.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's extreme Islam for you.

More and more convinced this world has no room for religion and primitive belief systems anymore."

Spot on

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"if there IS a god and his name is allah..surely he cannot sanction this type of slaughter and murder of innocents in his name..?

'Allah' is simply the Arabic name for the God which Jews call Yahweh and Christians call Jehovah or God.

Arabic-speaking Christians also call God 'Allah'."

Your all as barmy as each other.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

More and more convinced this world has no room for religion and primitive belief systems anymore.

Well even though I'm not religious and I respect your right to believe that, thatnis with respect complete and utter shash.

Religion or belief is not the problem-as no belief system is-it is the already-existing prejudices amongst different groups of people that is the problem.

Religion is never the reason for things like this-but it is always an excuse.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"if there IS a god and his name is allah..surely he cannot sanction this type of slaughter and murder of innocents in his name..?

'Allah' is simply the Arabic name for the God which Jews call Yahweh and Christians call Jehovah or God.

Arabic-speaking Christians also call God 'Allah'.

Your all as barmy as each other."

I'm not a religious Muslim so that doesn't include me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"if there IS a god and his name is allah..surely he cannot sanction this type of slaughter and murder of innocents in his name..?

'Allah' is simply the Arabic name for the God which Jews call Yahweh and Christians call Jehovah or God.

Arabic-speaking Christians also call God 'Allah'."

but does he approve of this vile evil cowardly murder of women and children in his name..? its just something I cannot fathom and understand in my simple mind..?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"if there IS a god and his name is allah..surely he cannot sanction this type of slaughter and murder of innocents in his name..?

'Allah' is simply the Arabic name for the God which Jews call Yahweh and Christians call Jehovah or God.

Arabic-speaking Christians also call God 'Allah'.

but does he approve of this vile evil cowardly murder of women and children in his name..? its just something I cannot fathom and understand in my simple mind..?"

I don't know. How would anybody know that?

Based on what the Quran says above, then no.

Bearing in mind I don't myself believe in a personal God, personally I think he would be totally indifferent but that's beside the point. (As far as religious _iews go I'm really a deist but again, besides the point)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I can't even think about this those poor babies just small innocent children.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Didn't we do a deal with the Taliban before leaving Afghanistan?

We 'defeated' the Taliban about six months after we originally entered Afghanistan, if I recall correctly!

Sadly that's just the media spin on it. We never defeated them, we just pushed them out of the way and our ROE's prevented us from finishing the job properly.

That was my point mate, sarcasm is WAY too easily missed on here!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People keep dying in horrible atrocities and two things are guaranteed to happen very soon afterwards.

1 you immediately get be the right wing, kill em all brigade post

2 you immediately get the apologists post with a touching story of a woman in a burka, where everyone cried together in a touching show off sympathy ahhh.

How bad does it have to get before people say enough is enough.

Where's the masses of Pakistanis protesting in the streets.

Just as Muslims can't solve crazy right wing American Christians,

The only people who can sort this out is other Muslims.

And right now they seem to be doing very little

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hitler killed Christians as well, just not as many.

He actually killed more Christians than Jews

I'm guessing the original statement was just referring to extermination camps!"

Well yes it was but I was trying to make the point that because someone is of a certain religion and commits an atrocity then the religion should not brought into it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People keep dying in horrible atrocities and two things are guaranteed to happen very soon afterwards.

1 you immediately get be the right wing, kill em all brigade post

2 you immediately get the apologists post with a touching story of a woman in a burka, where everyone cried together in a touching show off sympathy ahhh.

How bad does it have to get before people say enough is enough.

Where's the masses of Pakistanis protesting in the streets.

Just as Muslims can't solve crazy right wing American Christians,

The only people who can sort this out is other Muslims.

And right now they seem to be doing very little"

I totally agree, but Islam is not a monolith.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People keep dying in horrible atrocities and two things are guaranteed to happen very soon afterwards.

1 you immediately get be the right wing, kill em all brigade post

2 you immediately get the apologists post with a touching story of a woman in a burka, where everyone cried together in a touching show off sympathy ahhh.

How bad does it have to get before people say enough is enough.

Where's the masses of Pakistanis protesting in the streets.

Just as Muslims can't solve crazy right wing American Christians,

The only people who can sort this out is other Muslims.

And right now they seem to be doing very little"

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Didn't we do a deal with the Taliban before leaving Afghanistan?

We 'defeated' the Taliban about six months after we originally entered Afghanistan, if I recall correctly!

Sadly that's just the media spin on it. We never defeated them, we just pushed them out of the way and our ROE's prevented us from finishing the job properly.

That was my point mate, sarcasm is WAY too easily missed on here!"

Sadly it is mate....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hitler killed Christians as well, just not as many.

He actually killed more Christians than Jews

I'm guessing the original statement was just referring to extermination camps!

Well yes it was but I was trying to make the point that because someone is of a certain religion and commits an atrocity then the religion should not brought into it."

Well, he only killed Jews or Jehovah's witnesses for their actual religion. (And some of those he killed would not be considered Jewish under Talmudic law-people for example whose father was Jewish, but whose mother was not, are not Jewish according to Talmudic or Jewish law)

All the rest died for other reasons not immediately connected with their religion (though he did kill Protestant and catholic clergy for preaching against his regime)

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Lets hope Pakistan stop protecting Taliban and Al Qaeda, now they have turned on them.

Just peeked at the news the coffins piled up are so sad to see."

I think this could be the turning point for Pakistan in that this could be Pakistans 9/11. I think the Pakistani government and military will come down hard on the taliban after this.

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS over a year ago

Limavady

"Lets hope Pakistan stop protecting Taliban and Al Qaeda, now they have turned on them.

Just peeked at the news the coffins piled up are so sad to see.

I think this could be the turning point for Pakistan in that this could be Pakistans 9/11. I think the Pakistani government and military will come down hard on the taliban after this."

And when that doesn't happen do you think the BBC will finally accept that Pakistan is pro radical Islam? I doubt it!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Didn't we do a deal with the Taliban before leaving Afghanistan?

We 'defeated' the Taliban about six months after we originally entered Afghanistan, if I recall correctly!

Sadly that's just the media spin on it. We never defeated them, we just pushed them out of the way and our ROE's prevented us from finishing the job properly.

That was my point mate, sarcasm is WAY too easily missed on here!"

It wasn't lost on me

- but I think it was Al-Qaeda not the Taliban? ?????

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Lets hope Pakistan stop protecting Taliban and Al Qaeda, now they have turned on them.

Just peeked at the news the coffins piled up are so sad to see.

I think this could be the turning point for Pakistan in that this could be Pakistans 9/11. I think the Pakistani government and military will come down hard on the taliban after this.

And when that doesn't happen do you think the BBC will finally accept that Pakistan is pro radical Islam? I doubt it!"

Only time will tell, will have to wait and see how the pakistani government reacts to this atrocity now?

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By *emmefataleWoman over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Lets hope Pakistan stop protecting Taliban and Al Qaeda, now they have turned on them.

Just peeked at the news the coffins piled up are so sad to see.

I think this could be the turning point for Pakistan in that this could be Pakistans 9/11. I think the Pakistani government and military will come down hard on the taliban after this.

And when that doesn't happen do you think the BBC will finally accept that Pakistan is pro radical Islam? I doubt it!

Only time will tell, will have to wait and see how the pakistani government reacts to this atrocity now?"
It will be interesting to see what unfolds.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lets hope Pakistan stop protecting Taliban and Al Qaeda, now they have turned on them.

Just peeked at the news the coffins piled up are so sad to see.

I think this could be the turning point for Pakistan in that this could be Pakistans 9/11. I think the Pakistani government and military will come down hard on the taliban after this.

And when that doesn't happen do you think the BBC will finally accept that Pakistan is pro radical Islam? I doubt it!

Only time will tell, will have to wait and see how the pakistani government reacts to this atrocity now?"
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I wouldn't rely on it, they've lost a lot of support with the people for throwing in with the yanks too often.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I know I've said this before on another thread but...

Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

Surely anyone murdering anyone in the name of anything is a nutcase?

To wit: if I am a vegetarian, and I eat a hundred hamburgers and say I am doing it in the name of vegetarianism, then there obviously is a logical fallacy there because I am doing something that is diametrically opposed to vegetarianism. Go figure with stuff like this. "
Totally agree, all religions quote peace, love and respect for others, even those of different faiths. As for the term terrorists that must also be true for the crusades. Back to the pointless killing of those innocent souls that have been snatched away from their families, I feel nothing but sadness and and utter horror for these children and their families. May you all rest in peace.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People keep dying in horrible atrocities and two things are guaranteed to happen very soon afterwards.

1 you immediately get be the right wing, kill em all brigade post

2 you immediately get the apologists post with a touching story of a woman in a burka, where everyone cried together in a touching show off sympathy ahhh.

How bad does it have to get before people say enough is enough.

Where's the masses of Pakistanis protesting in the streets.

Just as Muslims can't solve crazy right wing American Christians,

The only people who can sort this out is other Muslims.

And right now they seem to be doing very little

I totally agree, but Islam is not a monolith."
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Yeah unfortunately a minority of it is though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People keep dying in horrible atrocities and two things are guaranteed to happen very soon afterwards.

1 you immediately get be the right wing, kill em all brigade post

2 you immediately get the apologists post with a touching story of a woman in a burka, where everyone cried together in a touching show off sympathy ahhh.

How bad does it have to get before people say enough is enough.

Where's the masses of Pakistanis protesting in the streets.

Just as Muslims can't solve crazy right wing American Christians,

The only people who can sort this out is other Muslims.

And right now they seem to be doing very little

I totally agree, but Islam is not a monolith..

Yeah unfortunately a minority of it is though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Those poor children, how frightened they must have been. Words fail me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Those poor children, how frightened they must have been. Words fail me. "
Yes after hearing it on the news words fail me too . I just hope something is done ... It said there is a meeting tomorrow and I hope all countries get together a stamp this out some how.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The media should call a black out on these bastards, it fuels them.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Didn't we do a deal with the Taliban before leaving Afghanistan?

We 'defeated' the Taliban about six months after we originally entered Afghanistan, if I recall correctly!

Sadly that's just the media spin on it. We never defeated them, we just pushed them out of the way and our ROE's prevented us from finishing the job properly.

That was my point mate, sarcasm is WAY too easily missed on here!

It wasn't lost on me

- but I think it was Al-Qaeda not the Taliban? ?????

It was the Taliban...as was confirmed! How could it be Al-Qaeda when it took them another ten years to get Bin Laden?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Disgusting vile Scum.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes my heart goes out to all those Familys who have lost loved ones its a Despicable attrocity the taliban have carried out, I hope this outrage Guarantees the last nail in the talibans Coffin any respect they had surely will Have dwindled after this outrage and Anyone who could support perpetrators Like this need takeing out as well but perhaps easier said than done, but While They ever exist These crimes can continue god forbid They might as well commit hari kari now for there will be no mercy shown to those Involved in this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Omg as a mother words can't describe how I would feel if this happened to my kids ....

These poor innocent children were just being children, doin what every normal child in the world does going to school learning and these inhuman evil terrorists have cut short their lives....

These taliban are cowards fight men not children

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By *ayandpCouple over a year ago

Plymouth

Should nuke the lot of them ,it will happen here again and we carry on opening our arms as a country 2 them even though they detest our beliefs .multi-culturism does not work.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a sick and crazy world we live in!

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Should nuke the lot of them ,it will happen here again and we carry on opening our arms as a country 2 them even though they detest our beliefs .multi-culturism does not work.

We keep opening our arms to the Taliban? Really?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Didn't we do a deal with the Taliban before leaving Afghanistan?

We 'defeated' the Taliban about six months after we originally entered Afghanistan, if I recall correctly!

Sadly that's just the media spin on it. We never defeated them, we just pushed them out of the way and our ROE's prevented us from finishing the job properly.

That was my point mate, sarcasm is WAY too easily missed on here!

It wasn't lost on me

- but I think it was Al-Qaeda not the Taliban? ?????

It was the Taliban...as was confirmed! How could it be Al-Qaeda when it took them another ten years to get Bin Laden?"

Al-Qaeda was long gone before CIA agent Osama was set free to swing on his hammock somewhere in the American South Pacific????????

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By *arnaclebillMan over a year ago

Robin Hood County

"CUNTS."

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By *ust MonicaWoman over a year ago

CAMBRIDGESHIRE

"There are no excuses, no justifications. This is simply and act of barbarity and terror."

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By *sian_coupleukCouple over a year ago

manchester

Some interesting comments and _iews. Someone posted above that MUSLIMS are doing very little. I'm a muslim, I whole hardly condemn any terrorist attack on anyone - always and always will.

Local mosques, our Imam delivers sermons telling people of the evil disease of terrorism and how it takes one outside the folds of Islam.

MUSLIMS scholars, politicians have always come out condemn attacks and showing support - but harsh reality is media don't wish to show that side of story, more papers sold having a 'bad guy' or group of nutters.

Also what more can anyone do? These scum don't have an identity, they operate within our borders, ticking time bombs. No they are not MUSLIMS, because if they were, they would realise they are breaking one of the fundamental rules of Islam - which forbids anyone taking the life of another person. Clearly these are uneducated tools used by masters for a political gain for their ideology.

So many children have been killed, but hundreds of people are dying, majority being Muslims in countries like Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, etc... Muslims are the biggest victims of terrorism...

Terrorists have no religion...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Should nuke the lot of them ,it will happen here again and we carry on opening our arms as a country 2 them even though they detest our beliefs .multi-culturism does not work.

Brilliant!!!

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By *in with a GrinMan over a year ago

Carlisle

Its what drives people to do this thats the worry as it won't be an isolated case.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It defies belief a lack of morality and barbarity beyond the comprehension of civilised people.how on earth do we stop people with no concience

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Should nuke the lot of them ,it will happen here again and we carry on opening our arms as a country 2 them even though they detest our beliefs .multi-culturism does not work.

Maybe there's some in Plymouth we can nuke, - what a novel idea!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How can an religion condone the military execution of children. Where in any bible is such instruction?

The human psyche is so strange that anyone can be trained to shoot children is more frightening than anything else we could imagine.

Horrid, now the parents will want to track down the perpetrators and kill them ... And so it continues.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How can an religion condone the military execution of children. Where in any bible is such instruction?

The human psyche is so strange that anyone can be trained to shoot children is more frightening than anything else we could imagine.

Horrid, now the parents will want to track down the perpetrators and kill them ... And so it continues.

No religion does, and it doesn't say anything in the bible about it either

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some interesting comments and _iews. Someone posted above that MUSLIMS are doing very little. I'm a muslim, I whole hardly condemn any terrorist attack on anyone - always and always will.

Local mosques, our Imam delivers sermons telling people of the evil disease of terrorism and how it takes one outside the folds of Islam.

So many children have been killed, but hundreds of people are dying, majority being Muslims in countries like Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, etc... Muslims are the biggest victims of terrorism...

Terrorists have no religion... "

Excellent post. Says it all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How can an religion condone the military execution of children. Where in any bible is such instruction?

The human psyche is so strange that anyone can be trained to shoot children is more frightening than anything else we could imagine.

Horrid, now the parents will want to track down the perpetrators and kill them ... And so it continues.

As far as I know, it isn't condoned by any religion, - where did you read that???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some interesting comments and _iews. Someone posted above that MUSLIMS are doing very little. I'm a muslim, I whole hardly condemn any terrorist attack on anyone - always and always will.

Local mosques, our Imam delivers sermons telling people of the evil disease of terrorism and how it takes one outside the folds of Islam.

So many children have been killed, but hundreds of people are dying, majority being Muslims in countries like Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, etc... Muslims are the biggest victims of terrorism...

Terrorists have no religion... "
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With the greatest respect, giving a sermon on terrorism in a local mosque is not going to cure this Islamic problem.

I say Islamic because at this moment in time 99% of the problematic ideological terrorist groups are Muslim, now it's no good just keeping repeating the same old line that the Qur'an says this or that and what it condemns, I'm presuming that the tens of thousands of current Islamic fundamentalists have read the Qur'an and there getting something out of it to feed their perverse interest.

This is not a racial issue or picking on a particular religion (we all know there's others that are using other religions but at this time it's Islam that's causing the greatest concern) let's remember that tackling this fundamental minority will save more Muslims than westerners, isis is out to kill Muslims not westerners they want to return Muslims back in time like a Spanish inquisition, capturing them into that way of life forever.

These are weak people they know that educated kids are less likely to follow them, they know that industrialisation reduces religious beliefs for many reasons just like it reduces populations.

The cure for the problem will not be burying are heads in the sand and hoping it sorts itself out, it won't.

Muslims must realise the old adage that to cure any problem you must acknowledge the problem exists to begin with.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But 99.999% of Muslims are peace loving, - thought you could have mentioned that, sexy bum.

.....did I just call a guy sexy bum?

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By *obbytupperMan over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

"Some interesting comments and _iews. Someone posted above that MUSLIMS are doing very little. I'm a muslim, I whole hardly condemn any terrorist attack on anyone - always and always will.

Local mosques, our Imam delivers sermons telling people of the evil disease of terrorism and how it takes one outside the folds of Islam.

So many children have been killed, but hundreds of people are dying, majority being Muslims in countries like Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, etc... Muslims are the biggest victims of terrorism...

Terrorists have no religion... "

An excellent and balanced post and I would second that summary.

The problem now is how to deal with it decisively and effectively. Invasion such as we have seen is not effective and even fuels the fire.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But 99.999% of Muslims are peace loving, - thought you could have mentioned that, sexy bum.

.....did I just call a guy sexy bum?

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You have but I won't hold you to it.

Unlike your 99.999% figure which I suggest maybe a little out.

It's a minority for sure but it's a little bit bigger than 0.0001% with my dodgy maths that would mean there's only 12,000 dodgy ones

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But 99.999% of Muslims are peace loving, - thought you could have mentioned that, sexy bum.

.....did I just call a guy sexy bum?

You have but I won't hold you to it.

Unlike your 99.999% figure which I suggest maybe a little out.

It's a minority for sure but it's a little bit bigger than 0.0001% with my dodgy maths that would mean there's only 12,000 dodgy ones

Shit, should've gone to specsavers!!

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

How come nobody comments on the total hypocrisy of Radical Islam and the developed world...

Western and all female Education is banned, but they use medicine, transport, weapons and communications technology developed as a result of western and female education and western aid...

At what point are we going to pull our heads out of our politically correct arses and cut them off from all these 'western evils' including food aid and leave them to their own devices?

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

SOME people are evil. Every day our senses are assaulted by some outrage, and extremists Muslims have centre stage at the moment.

But people, let's keep it real: Thomas Hamilton walked into a Dunblane school and massacred children. Every other week some disgruntled kid takes an Uzi to his classmates, the IRA killed a fair few...evil is not just down to one religion!

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"SOME people are evil. Every day our senses are assaulted by some outrage, and extremists Muslims have centre stage at the moment.

How can anyone compare petulant teenagers killing in a fits of temper or the Provisional IRA attacking the British State and British mainland targets (remember they never attacked third parties) to radical Islamists targeted wanton killing of anyone who fails to obey their diktats or they feel is not Islamic enough for them?

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"SOME people are evil. Every day our senses are assaulted by some outrage, and extremists Muslims have centre stage at the moment.

Killing is killing. Justifying some whilst demonising another doesn't alter that fact!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"SOME people are evil. Every day our senses are assaulted by some outrage, and extremists Muslims have centre stage at the moment.

Never forget the mass torture & murder that the British army inflicted upon Northern Ireland either; just because it was censured in this country, doesn't mean it didn't happen!!

*other countries were available

Thankfully, Google is your friend now but unfortunately not then!

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"SOME people are evil. Every day our senses are assaulted by some outrage, and extremists Muslims have centre stage at the moment.

Killing is killing. Justifying some whilst demonising another doesn't alter that fact! "

I have not justified any killing, I have said that you cant say all killing is killing and must see them all in context otherwise there is no difference between the motorist who looses control of a car and kills someone and the mass murders of the Nazis, Stalin, Mao Si Tong, Khmer Rouge, Papa Doc's Tonton Macoute, the Tutsi and Hutu of Rwanda, Radovan Kara dzic's forces in Bosnia or Radical Islamists.

I hope you will take a little time to consider what I have said and hopefully you will see that saying killing is killing is plain wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I sat watching the news lastnight and cried.

Let's shed a tear for those poor children and teacher's and the loved ones left behind.

I wish I could say something profound and add some deep meaningful comment.

But honestly I have non.

Maybe give your children and families an extra cuddle this morning count your blessings.

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

A needless tragedy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"SOME people are evil. Every day our senses are assaulted by some outrage, and extremists Muslims have centre stage at the moment.

Killing is killing. Justifying some whilst demonising another doesn't alter that fact! "

Indeed

But for some this incident is worse because the perpetrators were Muslims and it gives strength to their own agenda. Conveniently ignoring that tge victims were also muslum. Or the fact that even other Islamic terrorist groups have condemned the attack. Hate and intolerance comes in many form's

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS over a year ago

Limavady

"SOME people are evil. Every day our senses are assaulted by some outrage, and extremists Muslims have centre stage at the moment.

What do you mean 3rd parties? I hate the IRA but I can accept how people support them. Killing kids in Warrington, blowing up 30 women and children in Omagh, trying to blow up a bomb in Gibraltar, blowing up an old man and his wife on holiday in Ireland amongst countless other atrocities. What's not 3rd party about that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Should nuke the lot of them ,it will happen here again and we carry on opening our arms as a country 2 them even though they detest our beliefs .multi-culturism does not work.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Should nuke the lot of them ,it will happen here again and we carry on opening our arms as a country 2 them even though they detest our beliefs .multi-culturism does not work.

So true however the sympathy brigade say they need help and support to stop them being converted to jihad, me personally i would ban the lot of them from returning here and there family, you cant tell me there parents/family dont notice a change (men grow a beard woman start wearing burqa become religious and withdrawn) they are weak selfish parasites all of them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Should nuke the lot of them ,it will happen here again and we carry on opening our arms as a country 2 them even though they detest our beliefs .multi-culturism does not work.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Just wow.....

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"Just wow.....

Eloborate Cheeky, give them your thoughts this threads already fucked and went down the wrong route imo, Ive mentioned a few times above it shouldnt be for arguing in or getting all political

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Just wow.....

Eloborate Cheeky, give them your thoughts this threads already fucked and went down the wrong route imo, Ive mentioned a few times above it shouldnt be for arguing in or getting all political"

I agree. I think the political argument should have been a separate thread.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"What do you mean 3rd parties? I hate the IRA but I can accept how people support them. Killing kids in Warrington, blowing up 30 women and children in Omagh, trying to blow up a bomb in Gibraltar, blowing up an old man and his wife on holiday in Ireland amongst countless other atrocities. What's not 3rd party about that?"

Fair question.

The Provos and the INLA first targeted British Military and Loyalist paramilitary in NI. When this failed to get the British establishment to change policy they extended their attacks to the military and establishments used by the military on the mainland. When this still failed to get the Government to change their policies regarding NI they further extended their targeting to include British industry, business and government, again this failed. Finally they targeted the Tories and Thatcher and within 24 hours secret talks were offered by that cow while she was saying no surrender! After years of vacillation by the Tories they again targeted the Government direct (mortar attack on Downing St) and further extended their attacks to all British public and within months the peace process was back on track...

You will note that at no time did the Republicans (or for that matter the Loyalists) attack any other country on the spurious grounds that they did business with us (or in the Loyalist case the Provos).

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

My thoughts are....that this thread was about the deaths of many innocent children and teachers and for us to show our respect to those that have lost their lives...instead in turns into a political argument with insults about certain religions thrown into the mix. I just can't get my head around some of the comments and there was no need for it especially on this thread.

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