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By *ratty_Damsel OP Woman over a year ago

Greater London

Anyone listening to the news?

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By *emmefataleWoman over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Anyone listening to the news?

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Just read about it....scary.

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By *ratty_Damsel OP Woman over a year ago

Greater London

At least 13 hostages. Poor buggers.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I've just read it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Arabic writing on a flag and gunshots heard, sounds ominous. Fingers crossed for all concerned

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By *eMontresMan over a year ago

Halesowen

just read a number of newsfeeds

More islamic jihadery. Hope it ends well for the hostages

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By *ranthamThroatMan over a year ago

Grantham.

"Anyone listening to the news?

Oh fuck, wished I hadn't read this and then the news, six of my family live and work in that area.

Hopefully they were at work and safe.

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By *wbbabeWoman over a year ago

clacton

What area is it

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By *ranthamThroatMan over a year ago

Grantham.

"What area is it "

Martin Place, city centre, 2 minutes walk uphill of Opera House.

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By *wbbabeWoman over a year ago

clacton

Okay thank you

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By *exyLancs2Couple over a year ago

Manchester

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By *exyLancs2Couple over a year ago

Manchester

Not going to end well I don't think.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't understand why with all the armed officers you can clearly see that they haven't been taken out by a sniper as yet. The footage I'm watching you can see both terrorists walking fairly close to the windows. Why are they trying to negotiate you can't with these people, get snipers in shoot them and get the innocent people out befor they get hurt or it ends badley. Counties are far too soft with people like this.

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By *ranthamThroatMan over a year ago

Grantham.

"I don't understand why with all the armed officers you can clearly see that they haven't been taken out by a sniper as yet. The footage I'm watching you can see both terrorists walking fairly close to the windows. Why are they trying to negotiate you can't with these people, get snipers in shoot them and get the innocent people out befor they get hurt or it ends badley. Counties are far too soft with people like this. "

Thanks for your input.

What level of collateral damage would you, in England, deem the Australian government justify to their populace, or to me who may possibly have a family member held there is acceptable?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thanks for your input.

What level of collateral damage would you, in England, deem the Australian government justify to their populace, or to me who may possibly have a family member held there is acceptable?

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By *hortieWoman over a year ago

Northampton

I've not read or heard the news for the last 6 hours or so, cause I have been busy ummm.. doing stuff.

I have a feeling I will go to bed in a bit, reading the BBC news on mobile (as is routine), and feel shit about life in general tho.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They could have bombs strapped to them were either a wire is pulled r something like a switch to set it off

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thanks for your input.

What level of collateral damage would you, in England, deem the Australian government justify to their populace, or to me who may possibly have a family member held there is acceptable?

Snipers are very well trained and would not take the shot if their was a risk of collateral damage. Having said that tho these terrorists only have one aim and that is to kill westerners, the hostages are likely to die at their hands so it's worth the risk to make an attempt to take them out. Look at the mearsk hostage situation with capt philips, 3 pirates were taken out simultaneously by 3 snipers from the back of a moving ship. It is possible.

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By *ranthamThroatMan over a year ago

Grantham.

Thanks for your input.

What level of collateral damage would you, in England, deem the Australian government justify to their populace, or to me who may possibly have a family member held there is acceptable?

So your comment to me who has six family members who live and work there is what?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thanks for your input.

What level of collateral damage would you, in England, deem the Australian government justify to their populace, or to me who may possibly have a family member held there is acceptable?

So your comment to me who has six family members who live and work there is what?

If your question is to me I was referring to the very post you're replying to................ but if it wasn't, then yes, i agree, there wasn't too much thinking involved!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Really pray the innocent get out of this, then let the snipers deal with the gunman.

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By *ranthamThroatMan over a year ago

Grantham.

Thanks for your input.

What level of collateral damage would you, in England, deem the Australian government justify to their populace, or to me who may possibly have a family member held there is acceptable?

So your comment to me who has six family members who live and work there is what?

If your question is to me I was referring to the very post you're replying to................ but if it wasn't, then yes, i agree, there wasn't too much thinking involved!!

Thanks, as you used the quote button using my text that's why I asked. ;-0

As I haven't had any calls from my family in Sydney I assume all is good with them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Does this have anything to do with Sydney University?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sorry, I tactically quoted you to enhance the point - but I obviously failed miserably!

I know many people who live in & around Sydney too, - hope none of them are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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By *ranthamThroatMan over a year ago

Grantham.

"Sorry, I tactically quoted you to enhance the point - but I obviously failed miserably!

I know many people who live in & around Sydney too, - hope none of them are in the wrong place at the wrong time."

That's okay,just spoke to one of my sisters, all is well with them as she said they have all spoken.

Hope your people are good too.

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By *ratty_Damsel OP Woman over a year ago

Greater London

Snipers have not responded probably due to the fact that at least one suspious parcel has been found.

How many more have NOT been found?

Whatever the reason though, which we may never find out is good enough for me. They are in that position and thank god for their professionalism.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What on earth are you talking about?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Does this have anything to do with Sydney University?

Grow up & piss off!

That was a legitimate question. My younger sister is a student there.

You are being a snide and facetious fool as you have obviously read the thread and despite people having concerns for their family threw in a Sydney University comment, which is a term of ridicule on here.

Do you actually think anyone believes a word you say?...green arrow by your name will show up.

I have no more to say to you as you are highly offensive despite claiming to be innocent.

Blocked.

Having read his comments on other threads I've no reason not to believe him. It seems quite plausible to me. You can't bann the phrase 'Sydney University' from the forums, especially when the subject matter is actually about Sydney.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Does this have anything to do with Sydney University?

Grow up & piss off!

That was a legitimate question. My younger sister is a student there.

Do you actually think anyone believes a word you say?...green arrow by your name will show up.

I have no more to say to you as you are highly offensive despite claiming to be innocent.

Blocked.

Thank you!

Thankfully after reading the news (properly without panicking this time), and my dad making a few phone calls, relieved to hear all's fine.

Nearly give me a heart attack much?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well at least now I know what side of the marmite question I stand...

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By *ranthamThroatMan over a year ago

Grantham.

"Does this have anything to do with Sydney University?

Grow up & piss off!

That was a legitimate question. My younger sister is a student there.

Do you actually think anyone believes a word you say?...green arrow by your name will show up.

I have no more to say to you as you are highly offensive despite claiming to be innocent.

Blocked.

Has anyone actually banned or asked to ban Sydney Uni?, shame the timeline does not show in minutes ( after 1 hour) or the other persons replies would always show 4 or 5 minutes after mine.

Please do read the thread about my 6 members of family in Sydney, which I beliive show about 2 hours above the other persons. Enough said!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So...nobody else will have family members working, studying or living in a foreign country, right?

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By *ranthamThroatMan over a year ago

Grantham.

"So...nobody else will have family members working, studying or living in a foreign country, right?"

Please see TOC and FAQ.

I openly stated I have blocked you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So...nobody else will have family members working, studying or living in a foreign country, right?

Please see TOC and FAQ.

I openly stated I have blocked you.

And I am supposed to care about the fact you have blocked me for a nanosecond because...?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thanks for your input.

What level of collateral damage would you, in England, deem the Australian government justify to their populace, or to me who may possibly have a family member held there is acceptable?

Another reason the snipers may not have taken shots is because shooting through glass is a last resort option only. Sounds crazy but when a high velocity round strikes glass a few things take place. 1) the glass shatters causing injuries to anyone nearby. 2) the bullet "spalls" which means it changes direction and spins wildly and the chance of hitting your intended target is greatly reduced. 3) the bullet has a high chance of breaking up this also means the risk of collateral damage is increased and there's less chance of hitting your intended target.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Bloody hell he only asked about Sydney university...well I hope your family members are safe...thoughts go out to the hostages I hope they are safe and Are returned safely

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

stand apart guys - emotions are obviously running higher than normal because of the current situation - and understandably so if people (not person) have family and/or friends over there -

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Take the police out of the question. Send in the Aussie sas breach double tap and clear. Go in hard and make an example of him.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thanks for your input.

What level of collateral damage would you, in England, deem the Australian government justify to their populace, or to me who may possibly have a family member held there is acceptable?

Oh right I didn't know these facts, you learn something new everyday thank you.

As for the guy being aggressive and rude it's good your family are not involved but please think about those families who are indeed involved. I asked a question as to why snipers hadn't done something. I don't think my question deserved such a vile response from you?. Terrorists of what ever form need to be stopped as another poster pointed out there aim is it get as much publicity as possible and kill westerners this is not acceptable. You might not like what I've said however having had a friend killed this year in a terrorist attack my _iews are also very strong. They need stopping with little or no harm to those innocent people that have been involved.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

may they all be safe

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By *ratty_Damsel OP Woman over a year ago

Greater London

Is it 40 hostages?

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By *ratty_Damsel OP Woman over a year ago

Greater London

"may they all be safe

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

O o O oo

"So...nobody else will have family members working, studying or living in a foreign country, right?

Please see TOC and FAQ.

I openly stated I have blocked you.

I think we should clear up the blocked rule.

It is a rule for people trying to contact people when they are blocked. IE why have you blocked me, unblock me,can tell me why I am blocked etc.

Blocking someone doesn't mean that person cant answer peoples posts. they can join in like everyone.

I can see why you were wound up, but maybe log off if people are annoying you so much, as the forum summary suggests.

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By *stwo80Couple over a year ago

yorkshire

"Take the police out of the question. Send in the Aussie sas breach double tap and clear. Go in hard and make an example of him. "

think you have seen far too many action movies !!

Containment and negotiation is the way forwards, its guaranteed the big boys will be waiting around the corner just in case though.

Walk softly .........but carry a big stick. !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Take the police out of the question. Send in the Aussie sas breach double tap and clear. Go in hard and make an example of him.

think you have seen far too many action movies !!

Containment and negotiation is the way forwards, its guaranteed the big boys will be waiting around the corner just in case though.

Walk softly .........but carry a big stick. !

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It's not just about containment and be git into, there's many factors to consider.

If you take a critical shot it's not guaranteed to incapacitate a subject. If that happens any coordinated intervention by assault can go horribly wrong for hostages and the intervention.

As already mentioned, Spalding can kill those within when a high velocity round penetrates glass which even with modern purpose made rounds, can deflect.

The hostage taker was apparently agitated when people escaped and tension will be high. Any assault no matter who it's by, is very likely to lead to the death of innocents so it's a last resort.

Joe public can sit and criticise all they like, but trained experts are no doubt looking at every resolution. ..hopefully without bloodshed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Until authorities can confirm there isn't a "3rd eye" or pressure release explosive then they will contain and negotiate for as long as they possibly can. It is the safest and most sensible option.

It is easy for us to sit and talk tactics and what we think should be done but at the end of the day, the buck doesn't stop with us.

All I can do is pray that this will be resolved, peacefully and quickly and I'm taking comfort from knowing that no hostages have been hurt as yet.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've just read the news updates, they know who the guy is who is holding the hostages, he was already known to the police and they have said they are confident a peaceful outcome can be reached. If he was a bonifide IS type he would have just gone in guns blazing to take out as many people as he could before being taken out himself by the police. This guy obviously isn't intent on doing that otherwise he would have done it by now. Also he can't be very good at what he's doing as several hostages have escaped and others are making phone calls to family and even news desks. Hopefully all the hostages will walk away, maybe with a complimentary Lindt reindeer for their trouble.

As for the guy ranting about his 6 family members possibly being involved then surely he's far too busy intently watching the news and making phone calls to those family members to be having petty arguments on a swingers forum, just a thought.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"may they all be safe

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Take the police out of the question. Send in the Aussie sas breach double tap and clear. Go in hard and make an example of him. "

yes..the aussie branch are trained by our lads.so there will be no fucking about.you have to fight fire with fire sometimes

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

People turning up with cans of beer to watch it from 100 yards away or so, even then they wont see anything.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"may they all be safe

Yep!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Does this have anything to do with Sydney University?"

They are bound to be in there somewhere nicking pictures.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The use of force ie snipers are only a last ditch weapon, at the moment it is more a waiting game and try to negotiate with the terrorists.

The terrorists could have dead man's device on him, when dies he releases a grip on the trigger and boom. So not wise to shoot them.

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

Its really simple.

Shoot him now and you lose the chance to negotiate a 100% safe release of everyone.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Another violent sex case it seems from the peaceful nation.

What is there problem. If they dont like our way of like there are pleanty of countries that will welcome them

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"Another violent sex case it seems from the peaceful nation.

What is there problem. If they dont like our way of like there are pleanty of countries that will welcome them"

Has there been violent sex involved?

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Another violent sex case it seems from the peaceful nation.

What is there problem. If they dont like our way of like there are pleanty of countries that will welcome them

Has there been violent sex involved? "

That one had me a little puzzled!

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"Another violent sex case it seems from the peaceful nation.

What is there problem. If they dont like our way of like there are pleanty of countries that will welcome them

Has there been violent sex involved?

That one had me a little puzzled!"

The whole post had me puzzled. The hostage taker is from Iran isn't he? What is who's problem?

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Another violent sex case it seems from the peaceful nation.

What is there problem. If they dont like our way of like there are pleanty of countries that will welcome them

Has there been violent sex involved?

That one had me a little puzzled!

The whole post had me puzzled. The hostage taker is from Iran isn't he? What is who's problem? "

It cane with Britain First style grammar and spelling, so I drew my own conclusions...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm assuming he meant violent but case but had his mind on other things.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm assuming he meant violent but case but had his mind on other things.....

Or maybe even nut case....damned autocarrot!

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Every time I hear about it, I keep on thinking about the Siege of Sidney St of 1911, when a group of terrorists (anarchists in the language of the day) holed up in Sidney St and had a shoot out with the Scots Guards. I sometimes wonder about how much the world has changed in 100 years.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"I'm assuming he meant violent but case but had his mind on other things.....

Or maybe even nut case....damned autocarrot!"

. I see.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"Every time I hear about it, I keep on thinking about the Siege of Sidney St of 1911, when a group of terrorists (anarchists in the language of the day) holed up in Sidney St and had a shoot out with the Scots Guards. I sometimes wonder about how much the world has changed in 100 years. "

In terms of human behaviour? Not at all.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

In terms of human behaviour? Not at all."

The only real change is the weapons

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Another violent sex case it seems from the peaceful nation.

What is there problem. If they dont like our way of like there are pleanty of countries that will welcome them

Has there been violent sex involved?

That one had me a little puzzled!

The whole post had me puzzled. The hostage taker is from Iran isn't he? What is who's problem?

It cane with Britain First style grammar and spelling, so I drew my own conclusions..."

Came, even!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

In terms of human behaviour? Not at all.

The only real change is the weapons

Not really, he's armed with a shotgun, isn't he?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I've just read something rather wonderful on the news related to this. I'm really glad that a number of people have been able to distinguish between the acts of a minority and the majority:

Sydney cafe: Australians say to Muslims "I'll ride with you"

As a gunman holds people hostage in a cafe in Sydney, thousands of messages of support have been posted online for Muslims in Australia who are afraid of an Islamophobic backlash.

The spark was this post on Facebook by Rachael Jacobs, who said she'd seen a woman she presumed was Muslim silently removing her hijab while sitting next to her on the train: "I ran after her at the train station. I said 'put it back on. I'll walk with u'. She started to cry and hugged me for about a minute - then walked off alone'.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just on news that police are storming the cafe

More hostages released/escaped

Reports of an explosion

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of the seige and no one gets seriously injured, Ive already seen one woman injured.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"I've just read something rather wonderful on the news related to this. I'm really glad that a number of people have been able to distinguish between the acts of a minority and the majority:

Sydney cafe: Australians say to Muslims "I'll ride with you"

As a gunman holds people hostage in a cafe in Sydney, thousands of messages of support have been posted online for Muslims in Australia who are afraid of an Islamophobic backlash.

I've been reading about this on Twitter. Its restored a little of my faith

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bomb disposal robot thingy in the footage the tv at moment

Saying 4 hostages seriously injured so far

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *oudnproudWoman over a year ago

penrith

Am watching sky news....

its shocking and I hope that the hostages have managed without too much of a serious injury xx

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"Bomb disposal robot thingy in the footage the tv at moment

Saying 4 hostages seriously injured so far"

Unconfirmed.

Also saying those hostages needed CPR.

The guy is on bail and apparently has nothing to lose as he is going to prison for a long time - why's he on bail?

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

My guess is they have shot him thats why the robot is going in

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By *eMontresMan over a year ago

Halesowen

terrorist shot by police - to be confirmed.

He was a muslim cleric with a prison record and out on bail according to BBC.

Full picture still emerging, but seems likely an incident or worsening of the situation precipitated the assault, possible gunfire heard before they went in.

Almost certainly stun grenades, then gunfire and hostage escape.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

News saying police have confirmed that siege is over.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

All over

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By *ratty_Damsel OP Woman over a year ago

Greater London

Thank god the yanks where not involved!!

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By *eMontresMan over a year ago

Halesowen

Let's hope none of the hostages died or die

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

Tut it didnt end as well as it could

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

BBC reporting 2 deaths at moment

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

He's known for sending hate mail to families who have lost loved ones in the recent war.

What a disgusting prick.

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By *ratty_Damsel OP Woman over a year ago

Greater London

A disgusting, cowardly prick actually!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Take the police out of the question. Send in the Aussie sas breach double tap and clear. Go in hard and make an example of him.

yes..the aussie branch are trained by our lads.so there will be no fucking about.you have to fight fire with fire sometimes"

The last thing they need is more terrorists involved!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've just read something rather wonderful on the news related to this. I'm really glad that a number of people have been able to distinguish between the acts of a minority and the majority:

Sydney cafe: Australians say to Muslims "I'll ride with you"

As a gunman holds people hostage in a cafe in Sydney, thousands of messages of support have been posted online for Muslims in Australia who are afraid of an Islamophobic backlash.

Geez Titz, that was was moving!

Obviously not from the ozzy equivalent of the kipper party then!

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

how sad...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Take the police out of the question. Send in the Aussie sas breach double tap and clear. Go in hard and make an example of him.

yes..the aussie branch are trained by our lads.so there will be no fucking about.you have to fight fire with fire sometimes

The last thing they need is more terrorists involved!

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your back not seen or heard of you for a week or so slagging the Brits off

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

:'--(''''''

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Take the police out of the question. Send in the Aussie sas breach double tap and clear. Go in hard and make an example of him.

yes..the aussie branch are trained by our lads.so there will be no fucking about.you have to fight fire with fire sometimes

The last thing they need is more terrorists involved!

your back not seen or heard of you for a week or so slagging the Brits off"

You (2?) must have been away for a week, - there's been loads of pommie bashing!!

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By *onitoMan over a year ago

Milton of Campsie

A sad day and a sad ending to all concerned.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've just read something rather wonderful on the news related to this. I'm really glad that a number of people have been able to distinguish between the acts of a minority and the majority:

Sydney cafe: Australians say to Muslims "I'll ride with you"

As a gunman holds people hostage in a cafe in Sydney, thousands of messages of support have been posted online for Muslims in Australia who are afraid of an Islamophobic backlash.

Very touching.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've just seen to footage.

That was the messiest breach I've ever seen, I'm surprised more people weren't seriously wounded or killed.

Glad it's over and my thoughts are with those who were hurt or killed.

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By *ratty_Damsel OP Woman over a year ago

Greater London

"I've just read something rather wonderful on the news related to this. I'm really glad that a number of people have been able to distinguish between the acts of a minority and the majority:

Sydney cafe: Australians say to Muslims "I'll ride with you"

As a gunman holds people hostage in a cafe in Sydney, thousands of messages of support have been posted online for Muslims in Australia who are afraid of an Islamophobic backlash.

Very touching."

There really is empathy and sane people about in this stupid selfish world.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Glad it's over and my thoughts are with those who were hurt or killed."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A disgusting, cowardly prick actually!

Disgusting radicalised prick maybe, - but cowardly????

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A disgusting, cowardly prick actually!

Disgusting radicalised prick maybe, - but cowardly???? "

I'd agree he was cowardly.

threatening innocent men and women having a coffee before work is hardly an act of bravery is it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A disgusting, cowardly prick actually!

Disgusting radicalised prick maybe, - but cowardly????

I'd agree he was cowardly.

threatening innocent men and women having a coffee before work is hardly an act of bravery is it."

But knowing that you'll ultimately be killed is hardly cowardly, is it?

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By *emmefataleWoman over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"A disgusting, cowardly prick actually!

Disgusting radicalised prick maybe, - but cowardly????

I'd agree he was cowardly.

threatening innocent men and women having a coffee before work is hardly an act of bravery is it.

But knowing that you'll ultimately be killed is hardly cowardly, is it?"
Yes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A disgusting, cowardly prick actually!

Disgusting radicalised prick maybe, - but cowardly????

I'd agree he was cowardly.

threatening innocent men and women having a coffee before work is hardly an act of bravery is it.

But knowing that you'll ultimately be killed is hardly cowardly, is it?Yes."
how?

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By *emmefataleWoman over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"A disgusting, cowardly prick actually!

Disgusting radicalised prick maybe, - but cowardly????

I'd agree he was cowardly.

threatening innocent men and women having a coffee before work is hardly an act of bravery is it.

But knowing that you'll ultimately be killed is hardly cowardly, is it?Yes. how?"
I will always _iew at an act of cowardice.....doesn't take any balls to meet your maker in such an abhorrent an vile way.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"A disgusting, cowardly prick actually!

Disgusting radicalised prick maybe, - but cowardly????

I'd agree he was cowardly.

threatening innocent men and women having a coffee before work is hardly an act of bravery is it.

But knowing that you'll ultimately be killed is hardly cowardly, is it?Yes. how?"

Because you don't have the courage to look the people you've held hostage andthe families of the people you are responsible for killing in the eye.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A disgusting, cowardly prick actually!

Disgusting radicalised prick maybe, - but cowardly????

I'd agree he was cowardly.

threatening innocent men and women having a coffee before work is hardly an act of bravery is it.

But knowing that you'll ultimately be killed is hardly cowardly, is it?Yes. how?I will always _iew at an act of cowardice.....doesn't take any balls to meet your maker in such an abhorrent an vile way."

Interesting ........

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By *ce WingerMan over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

An absurd situation, who needs this shit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

its cowardly as fcuk

if you wanna make a point go shoot or blow yourself up in the name of your cause

leave innocents out of it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"its cowardly as fcuk

if you wanna make a point go shoot or blow yourself up in the name of your cause

leave innocents out of it"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"its cowardly as fcuk

if you wanna make a point go shoot or blow yourself up in the name of your cause

leave innocents out of it"

But that is neither the way the military nor terrorism works, is it!

It's always eye for an eye - but the vast majority of deaths are always the innocent!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

we dont go in smoking anyone associated with these cowardly twats. we target them directly and if an innocents get caught up in it, its sad times

this cnut hit a coffee shop in downtown Aus ffs. Wtf has Lindt got to do with anything

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"we dont go in smoking anyone associated with these cowardly twats. we target them directly and if an innocents get caught up in it, its sad times

this cnut hit a coffee shop in downtown Aus ffs. Wtf has Lindt got to do with anything"

& we hit a multitude of downtown coffee shops, schools, hospitals etc in downtown Bagdad - but one was labeled terrorism & one collateral damage..............

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"we dont go in smoking anyone associated with these cowardly twats. we target them directly and if an innocents get caught up in it, its sad times

this cnut hit a coffee shop in downtown Aus ffs. Wtf has Lindt got to do with anything"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"we dont go in smoking anyone associated with these cowardly twats. we target them directly and if an innocents get caught up in it, its sad times

this cnut hit a coffee shop in downtown Aus ffs. Wtf has Lindt got to do with anything

& we hit a multitude of downtown coffee shops, schools, hospitals etc in downtown Bagdad - but one was labeled terrorism & one collateral damage.............. "

If we wish to draw comparisons and juxtapose, yes there has been collateral damage in conflicts with our country but rightly or wrongly there was some objective.

What was today's coffee shop objective other than to cause terror ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A disgusting, cowardly prick actually!

Disgusting radicalised prick maybe, - but cowardly???? "

yeah..he was a shithouse of the first degree

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"we dont go in smoking anyone associated with these cowardly twats. we target them directly and if an innocents get caught up in it, its sad times

this cnut hit a coffee shop in downtown Aus ffs. Wtf has Lindt got to do with anything

& we hit a multitude of downtown coffee shops, schools, hospitals etc in downtown Bagdad - but one was labeled terrorism & one collateral damage..............

If we wish to draw comparisons and juxtapose, yes there has been collateral damage in conflicts with our country but rightly or wrongly there was some objective.

What was today's coffee shop objective other than to cause terror ?"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A disgusting, cowardly prick actually!

Disgusting radicalised prick maybe, - but cowardly????

yeah..he was a shithouse of the first degree"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"we dont go in smoking anyone associated with these cowardly twats. we target them directly and if an innocents get caught up in it, its sad times

this cnut hit a coffee shop in downtown Aus ffs. Wtf has Lindt got to do with anything

& we hit a multitude of downtown coffee shops, schools, hospitals etc in downtown Bagdad - but one was labeled terrorism & one collateral damage..............

If we wish to draw comparisons and juxtapose, yes there has been collateral damage in conflicts with our country but rightly or wrongly there was some objective.

What was today's coffee shop objective other than to cause terror ?"
I haven't a clue of his objectives, unlike a lot of Aussies, I've never heard of the guy before now - but I'd guess he has a radicalised Muslim issue with the west??????

By the way, was our objective in Iraq to find & destroy the wmd's that were 'evidently' there, by any chance?????

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A disgusting, cowardly prick actually!

Disgusting radicalised prick maybe, - but cowardly????

yeah..he was a shithouse of the first degree"

Agreed!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"we dont go in smoking anyone associated with these cowardly twats. we target them directly and if an innocents get caught up in it, its sad times

this cnut hit a coffee shop in downtown Aus ffs. Wtf has Lindt got to do with anything

& we hit a multitude of downtown coffee shops, schools, hospitals etc in downtown Bagdad - but one was labeled terrorism & one collateral damage..............

If we wish to draw comparisons and juxtapose, yes there has been collateral damage in conflicts with our country but rightly or wrongly there was some objective.

What was today's coffee shop objective other than to cause terror ? I haven't a clue of his objectives, unlike a lot of Aussies, I've never heard of the guy before now - but I'd guess he has a radicalised Muslim issue with the west??????

By the way, was our objective in Iraq to find & destroy the wmd's that were 'evidently' there, by any chance?????"

Probably that's the official line yes though I imagine there were far more complex and hidden reasons. But you mentioned one being called collateral and one being called terrorism and queried if they were different unless I'm mistaken? I don't think there's any comparison irrespective of the justness of any invasion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes, I agree, there were most definitely hidden reasons, & the fact that there's something to hide from the public whom after all, payed for the war with their hard earned, sons & daughters, stinks of something vile to me, - not to mention the tens of thousands of innocent lives that were lost.

Something a far cry from a complete radicalised nutcase in a Sydney coffee shop, I'm sure you'll agree!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A disgusting, cowardly prick actually!

Disgusting radicalised prick maybe, - but cowardly????

I'd agree he was cowardly.

threatening innocent men and women having a coffee before work is hardly an act of bravery is it.

But knowing that you'll ultimately be killed is hardly cowardly, is it?Yes. how?"

Death is an inevitability for us all, it's not scary it happens. Holding innocent men and women hostage at gunpoint is the act of a coward.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A disgusting, cowardly prick actually!

Disgusting radicalised prick maybe, - but cowardly????

I'd agree he was cowardly.

threatening innocent men and women having a coffee before work is hardly an act of bravery is it.

But knowing that you'll ultimately be killed is hardly cowardly, is it?Yes. how?

Death is an inevitability for us all, it's not scary it happens. Holding innocent men and women hostage at gunpoint is the act of a coward.

"
gee, if that's cowardly when you know it will ultimately cost your own life, then how would you describe someone who pushes a button to send a missile or bomb that causes mass carnage knowing you'll be walking away free?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A disgusting, cowardly prick actually!

Disgusting radicalised prick maybe, - but cowardly????

I'd agree he was cowardly.

threatening innocent men and women having a coffee before work is hardly an act of bravery is it.

But knowing that you'll ultimately be killed is hardly cowardly, is it?Yes. how?

Death is an inevitability for us all, it's not scary it happens. Holding innocent men and women hostage at gunpoint is the act of a coward.

gee, if that's cowardly when you know it will ultimately cost your own life, then how would you describe someone who pushes a button to send a missile or bomb that causes mass carnage knowing you'll be walking away free? "

We're not talking about that though are we.

As usual you're trying to steer a thread to meet your own anti-British anti-western agenda.....we all get it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't think this particular case has anything to do with religion or ethnicity or Isis, just another deranged person with a gun looking for attention.

People who want to kill as many as possible on a rampage to make a point over an issue,rarely take hostages in coffee shops, these people tend more to be attention seekers which is why I think the police rightly tried talking to him first, of course you can never rely on these people being talked down because their deranged minds work differently to normal ones.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A disgusting, cowardly prick actually!

Disgusting radicalised prick maybe, - but cowardly????

I'd agree he was cowardly.

threatening innocent men and women having a coffee before work is hardly an act of bravery is it.

But knowing that you'll ultimately be killed is hardly cowardly, is it?Yes. how?

Death is an inevitability for us all, it's not scary it happens. Holding innocent men and women hostage at gunpoint is the act of a coward.

We're not talking about that though are we.

As usual you're trying to steer a thread to meet your own anti-British anti-western agenda.....we all get it."

But we just were talking about that very thing!!

I'm not anti-western,British,Muslim or whatever, - but I am anti-hypocritical, & there seems to be a multidude of that very thing when it comes to

'terrorism' or most of the world's conflicts, political, religious or otherwise.

As they say; 'one guy's terrorist is another's freedom fighter'!.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't think this particular case has anything to do with religion or ethnicity or Isis, just another deranged person with a gun looking for attention.

I think myou find the guy who committed this act, claimed to had been tortured

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If fire fighters fight fire

And crime fighters fight crime...

What the hell do freedom fighters fight

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As they say; 'one guy's terrorist is another's freedom fighter'!."

But this chaps intention wasn't to fight anyone.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As they say; 'one guy's terrorist is another's freedom fighter'!.

But this chaps intention wasn't to fight anyone. "
I believe he had a problem with being tortured - I'd guess by western forces but in truth - I don't know anything about this guy.

It's always the innocent who pay the highest price, though!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If fire fighters fight fire

And crime fighters fight crime...

What the hell do freedom fighters fight

Oh yeah, errrrrrrrm, I'll have to think about that one.........

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As they say; 'one guy's terrorist is another's freedom fighter'!.

But this chaps intention wasn't to fight anyone. I believe he had a problem with being tortured - I'd guess by western forces but in truth - I don't know anything about this guy.

It's always the innocent who pay the highest price, though!!"

He also had a problem with women judging by his string of convictions for attacks on them.

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By *ratty_Damsel OP Woman over a year ago

Greater London

And murdering his wife.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And murdering his wife..... "

So just a nutter really not a freedom fighter.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And murdering his wife.....

So just a nutter really not a freedom fighter. "

Which I said previously in the thread .....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Speaking of torture, have our government managed to cover up the latest torture fiasco yet, or is that still in the pipeline (pun)

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

As they say; 'one guy's terrorist is another's freedom fighter'!.

But this chaps intention wasn't to fight anyone. I believe he had a problem with being tortured - I'd guess by western forces but in truth - I don't know anything about this guy.

It's always the innocent who pay the highest price, though!!"

The guy was an Iranian refugee, autralia took him in and this is how he re-payed them. He also had a long record of criminal convictions from sexual assault to being associated with his wifes murder, and he "claimed" he was tortured whilst serving time in australian prison for those crimes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As they say; 'one guy's terrorist is another's freedom fighter'!.

But this chaps intention wasn't to fight anyone. I believe he had a problem with being tortured - I'd guess by western forces but in truth - I don't know anything about this guy.

It's always the innocent who pay the highest price, though!!

He sounds like a mental case!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You have to wonder how this guy was on the street in the first place, I mean, Australia did seem to me to be more than a little on the 'police state' side of the spectrum.

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By *ouple1234Couple over a year ago

BELFAST UK

This man and all the rest of these mad men and women need took out by the roots they travel all across the world trying to preach hate and change laws just because it offendes them well sorry but governments need to stand up and say if you don't like it fook off out of the country and go back home, no more pussy footing around these fools they need to be put straight or more attacks will happen more and more frequently

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't think this particular case has anything to do with religion or ethnicity or Isis, just another deranged person with a gun looking for attention.

I think myou find the guy who committed this act, claimed to had been tortured "

theres is people who claim to be elvis Presley and jim Morrison but it doesn't mean its true..?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You have to love forums... Makes the job of spotting the ones you need to keep an eye on so much easier...

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

The woman that was killed was a mother of three.

Im not sure if the man who was killed had kids but he'd have family of some sort. He was the Cafe manager.

How awful.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A disgusting, cowardly prick actually!

Disgusting radicalised prick maybe, - but cowardly????

I'd agree he was cowardly.

threatening innocent men and women having a coffee before work is hardly an act of bravery is it.

But knowing that you'll ultimately be killed is hardly cowardly, is it?Yes. how?

Death is an inevitability for us all, it's not scary it happens. Holding innocent men and women hostage at gunpoint is the act of a coward.

We're not talking about that though are we.

As usual you're trying to steer a thread to meet your own anti-British anti-western agenda.....we all get it."

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"This man and all the rest of these mad men and women need took out by the roots they travel all across the world trying to preach hate and change laws just because it offendes them well sorry but governments need to stand up and say if you don't like it fook off out of the country and go back home, no more pussy footing around these fools they need to be put straight or more attacks will happen more and more frequently"

Except this case was wholly irrelevant to your already weak case.

The man was obviously mentally ill, not a radical Muslim cleric.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

Surely anyone murdering anyone in the name of anything is a nutcase?

If you can take a religion that says 'love your neighbour' and 'thou shalt not kill' (as christianity does), and then use that religion to justify killing people, or take another religion that says very, very clearly in black and white 'all murderers go to hell, as do all people who commit suicide' and 'all jews and christians should be respected and tolerated because they worship the same God as us (as Islam does), and then use that same religion to justify suicide bombing christians and jews, it becomes clear that *any* belief can be twisted to justify heinous acts of this nature.

To wit: if I am a vegetarian, and I eat a hundred hamburgers and say I am doing it in the name of vegetarianism, then there obviously is a logical fallacy there because I am doing something that is diametrically opposed to vegetarianism. Go figure with stuff like

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Except this case was wholly irrelevant to your already weak case.

The man was obviously mentally ill, not a radical Muslim cleric."

Thank you!

Like I said earlier, *anyone* who kills people in the name of *anything* has a screw lose. Full stop.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You have to love forums... Makes the job of spotting the ones you need to keep an eye on so much easier... "

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"You have to love forums... Makes the job of spotting the ones you need to keep an eye on so much easier...

Oh, the irony...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As they say; 'one guy's terrorist is another's freedom fighter'!.

But this chaps intention wasn't to fight anyone. I believe he had a problem with being tortured - I'd guess by western forces but in truth - I don't know anything about this guy.

It's always the innocent who pay the highest price, though!!

He claimed he was tortured, any excuse!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist? "

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book."

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree."

I think there are subtle differences.

Some have a pathological hatred and quite viably a mental illness and act on their prejudice, whilst a terrorist by definition is striking terror amongst people to persuade the implementation of a political cause. Subtle but they are different.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree."

Very rarely do christians kill in the name of religeon. Islam is a way of life and no other way is acceptable to most. The men live in the dark ages and are causing harm all over the world.

Be afraid people this will not go away soon

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree.

Very rarely do christians kill in the name of religeon. Islam is a way of life and no other way is acceptable to most. The men live in the dark ages and are causing harm all over the world.

Be afraid people this will not go away soon"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Trust me it's nothing new. It's been going on in various guises for thousands of years.

Only difference is the media can show it to the masses and the weapons can make killing easier.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree.

Very rarely do christians kill in the name of religeon. Islam is a way of life and no other way is acceptable to most. The men live in the dark ages and are causing harm all over the world.

Be afraid people this will not go away soon"

So you think I live in the dark ages then?

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By *-4pleasureCouple over a year ago

Belfast

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree.

Very rarely do christians kill in the name of religeon. Islam is a way of life and no other way is acceptable to most. The men live in the dark ages and are causing harm all over the world.

Be afraid people this will not go away soon"

Guess you've never heard of the crusades ? Or the Bosnian war? Or indeed the many atrocities right here in Northern Ireland? All involved Christians murdering in the name of religion.

Tarring all Muslims with the "fundamentalist" stick is a sure way of encouraging attacks on innocent people or at least tacitly condoning them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree.

Very rarely do christians kill in the name of religeon. Islam is a way of life and no other way is acceptable to most. The men live in the dark ages and are causing harm all over the world.

Be afraid people this will not go away soon

So you think I live in the dark ages then?"

Are you a Muslim who treats women like shit just for being women

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree.

Very rarely do christians kill in the name of religeon. Islam is a way of life and no other way is acceptable to most. The men live in the dark ages and are causing harm all over the world.

Be afraid people this will not go away soon

Guess you've never heard of the crusades ? Or the Bosnian war? Or indeed the many atrocities right here in Northern Ireland? All involved Christians murdering in the name of religion.

Tarring all Muslims with the "fundamentalist" stick is a sure way of encouraging attacks on innocent people or at least tacitly condoning them."

Keep blaiming the innocent people. love it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree.

Very rarely do christians kill in the name of religeon. Islam is a way of life and no other way is acceptable to most. The men live in the dark ages and are causing harm all over the world.

Be afraid people this will not go away soon

So you think I live in the dark ages then?

Are you a Muslim who treats women like shit just for being women"

Are you a christian (or any other belief for that matter) who treats women like shit just for being women?

What has religion got to do with that?

And for the record, no.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree.

Very rarely do christians kill in the name of religeon. Islam is a way of life and no other way is acceptable to most. The men live in the dark ages and are causing harm all over the world.

Be afraid people this will not go away soon

Guess you've never heard of the crusades ? Or the Bosnian war? Or indeed the many atrocities right here in Northern Ireland? All involved Christians murdering in the name of religion.

Tarring all Muslims with the "fundamentalist" stick is a sure way of encouraging attacks on innocent people or at least tacitly condoning them."

Thank you!

Not to mention the wars in Checneya, Eritrea, South Sudan and Uganda all involving groups of christians supposedly fighting in the name of their religion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree.

Very rarely do christians kill in the name of religeon. Islam is a way of life and no other way is acceptable to most. The men live in the dark ages and are causing harm all over the world.

Be afraid people this will not go away soon

So you think I live in the dark ages then?

Are you a Muslim who treats women like shit just for being women

Are you a christian (or any other belief for that matter) who treats women like shit just for being women?

What has religion got to do with that?

And for the record, no."

if you dont know how a lot of Muslim women are treated then , well i dont know

Me i cant stand religion

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree.

Very rarely do christians kill in the name of religeon. Islam is a way of life and no other way is acceptable to most. The men live in the dark ages and are causing harm all over the world.

Be afraid people this will not go away soon

Guess you've never heard of the crusades ? Or the Bosnian war? Or indeed the many atrocities right here in Northern Ireland? All involved Christians murdering in the name of religion.

Tarring all Muslims with the "fundamentalist" stick is a sure way of encouraging attacks on innocent people or at least tacitly condoning them."

exactly, and exactly what a radical few want. These are acts of sick, evil people of all race, faith and ideologies but all with a common theme...no moral compass.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree.

Very rarely do christians kill in the name of religeon. Islam is a way of life and no other way is acceptable to most. The men live in the dark ages and are causing harm all over the world.

Be afraid people this will not go away soon

So you think I live in the dark ages then?

Are you a Muslim who treats women like shit just for being women

Are you a christian (or any other belief for that matter) who treats women like shit just for being women?

What has religion got to do with that?

And for the record, no.

if you dont know how a lot of Muslim women are treated then , well i dont know

Me i cant stand religion"

There might be isolated groups of Muslim men who are abusive to women but that's true of any religious background, but I think that's more that they are from the Middle East rather than the fact they are Muslims.

As regards women's stance in Islam:

I'm guessing you think all Muslim women wear the burqa or some other head covering (they don't)

I bet you think all Islamic law is unfair to women and they are trapped in arranged marriages (they don't, even if a marriage is arranged the woman does not have to marry a man she does not want to and shariah law allows a woman to get a divorce anytime she wants-which is something western women didn't get until the twentieth century)

I bet you think all Muslims come from the Middle East (they don't-I'm not for one)

And so on ad infinitum

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By *-4pleasureCouple over a year ago

Belfast

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree.

Very rarely do christians kill in the name of religeon. Islam is a way of life and no other way is acceptable to most. The men live in the dark ages and are causing harm all over the world.

Be afraid people this will not go away soon

Guess you've never heard of the crusades ? Or the Bosnian war? Or indeed the many atrocities right here in Northern Ireland? All involved Christians murdering in the name of religion.

Tarring all Muslims with the "fundamentalist" stick is a sure way of encouraging attacks on innocent people or at least tacitly condoning them.

Keep blaiming the innocent people. love it"

Blaming the innocent ...That does not even make sense. If you wish to debate, at least explain your points rather than resorting to some straw man argument.

By deciding what someone is like solely through their religious (or otherwise) beliefs displays extreme ignorance.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree.

Very rarely do christians kill in the name of religeon. Islam is a way of life and no other way is acceptable to most. The men live in the dark ages and are causing harm all over the world.

Be afraid people this will not go away soon

Guess you've never heard of the crusades ? Or the Bosnian war? Or indeed the many atrocities right here in Northern Ireland? All involved Christians murdering in the name of religion.

Tarring all Muslims with the "fundamentalist" stick is a sure way of encouraging attacks on innocent people or at least tacitly condoning them.

exactly, and exactly what a radical few want. These are acts of sick, evil people of all race, faith and ideologies but all with a common theme...no moral compass."

It particularly makes no sense when you have Christians and Muslims (and Jews) fighting, when they all worship the same God (the Muslim Allah is the same god as the Christian Jehovah and the Jewish Yahweh.). Ethnic and nationalist differences are often the reason for these conflicts. Religion is just used as an excuse.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree.

Very rarely do christians kill in the name of religeon. Islam is a way of life and no other way is acceptable to most. The men live in the dark ages and are causing harm all over the world.

Be afraid people this will not go away soon

Guess you've never heard of the crusades ? Or the Bosnian war? Or indeed the many atrocities right here in Northern Ireland? All involved Christians murdering in the name of religion.

Tarring all Muslims with the "fundamentalist" stick is a sure way of encouraging attacks on innocent people or at least tacitly condoning them.

Keep blaiming the innocent people. love it"

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By *-4pleasureCouple over a year ago

Belfast

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree.

Very rarely do christians kill in the name of religeon. Islam is a way of life and no other way is acceptable to most. The men live in the dark ages and are causing harm all over the world.

Be afraid people this will not go away soon

Guess you've never heard of the crusades ? Or the Bosnian war? Or indeed the many atrocities right here in Northern Ireland? All involved Christians murdering in the name of religion.

Tarring all Muslims with the "fundamentalist" stick is a sure way of encouraging attacks on innocent people or at least tacitly condoning them.

Keep blaiming the innocent people. love it

Excellent argument. - your use of five "thumbs up" has really persuaded me as to the strength of that post. I will now sit and reconsider my position in the light of such compelling argument

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree.

Very rarely do christians kill in the name of religeon. Islam is a way of life and no other way is acceptable to most. The men live in the dark ages and are causing harm all over the world.

Be afraid people this will not go away soon

Guess you've never heard of the crusades ? Or the Bosnian war? Or indeed the many atrocities right here in Northern Ireland? All involved Christians murdering in the name of religion.

Tarring all Muslims with the "fundamentalist" stick is a sure way of encouraging attacks on innocent people or at least tacitly condoning them.

Keep blaiming the innocent people. love it

Excellent argument. - your use of five "thumbs up" has really persuaded me as to the strength of that post. I will now sit and reconsider my position in the light of such compelling argument "

Well done!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree.

Very rarely do christians kill in the name of religeon. Islam is a way of life and no other way is acceptable to most. The men live in the dark ages and are causing harm all over the world.

Be afraid people this will not go away soon

Guess you've never heard of the crusades ? Or the Bosnian war? Or indeed the many atrocities right here in Northern Ireland? All involved Christians murdering in the name of religion.

Tarring all Muslims with the "fundamentalist" stick is a sure way of encouraging attacks on innocent people or at least tacitly condoning them.

Thank you!

Not to mention the wars in Checneya, Eritrea, South Sudan and Uganda all involving groups of christians supposedly fighting in the name of their religion."

George bush and tony blair called their wars on muslims countries starting from Soudan, then Afganistan then Iraq "Crusades" which killed millions and the killing is just part of the damage those wars did and still do. They needed a boogie man to invade those countries and more and they made Benladen and Saddam as an excuse at the time. Its not a secret anymore that both those men are CIA assets. Now adays the boogie is ISIS. ISIS is recruiting easily youngsters with the help of the west financial miltarily and even Their wooded moujahidin are trwated in Israelian hospitals. With the help of government puppets like Saudi Arabia ect. The western media then blame it all in Islam which brings the feelongs of hatred deeper and recruiting easier. Makes eestern muslim citizens feel dissociated from the countries they once dreamed to be part of, believing in freedom of religion and speach and equality. Values that are claimed in the west but only applied when it suits the politicians. The real cause of all this mess is western greed and endless historical violence against the worlds nations to expand the empire.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You have to love forums... Makes the job of spotting the ones you need to keep an eye on so much easier...

Oh, the irony..."

Oh, the double irony!

The hypocrisy was hilarious!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree.

Very rarely do christians kill in the name of religeon. Islam is a way of life and no other way is acceptable to most. The men live in the dark ages and are causing harm all over the world.

Be afraid people this will not go away soon

Guess you've never heard of the crusades ? Or the Bosnian war? Or indeed the many atrocities right here in Northern Ireland? All involved Christians murdering in the name of religion.

Tarring all Muslims with the "fundamentalist" stick is a sure way of encouraging attacks on innocent people or at least tacitly condoning them.

Thank you!

Not to mention the wars in Checneya, Eritrea, South Sudan and Uganda all involving groups of christians supposedly fighting in the name of their religion."

Oh, & apart from all the above & the mass slaughter of the native north Americans, South Americans, Central Americans, Australasians, Africans & Indians, - what have the Christians ever done to anyone, eh? Tut tut!!

.....more so the religion of wealth & greed though, I have to admit.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"A disgusting, cowardly prick actually!

Disgusting radicalised prick maybe, - but cowardly????

I'd agree he was cowardly.

threatening innocent men and women having a coffee before work is hardly an act of bravery is it.

But knowing that you'll ultimately be killed is hardly cowardly, is it?"

It is if you believe you'll be going somewhere better at the end.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A disgusting, cowardly prick actually!

Disgusting radicalised prick maybe, - but cowardly????

I'd agree he was cowardly.

threatening innocent men and women having a coffee before work is hardly an act of bravery is it.

But knowing that you'll ultimately be killed is hardly cowardly, is it?

It is if you believe you'll be going somewhere better at the end."

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Why is it if someone kills people today in the name of christianity, like Anders Brievik; he is a nutcase for doing so, but if someone kills people in the name of Islam, they're a terrorist?

They are all terrorist nutcases in my book.

That's exactly my point and I absolutely agree.

Very rarely do christians kill in the name of religeon. Islam is a way of life and no other way is acceptable to most. The men live in the dark ages and are causing harm all over the world.

Be afraid people this will not go away soon

Guess you've never heard of the crusades ? Or the Bosnian war? Or indeed the many atrocities right here in Northern Ireland? All involved Christians murdering in the name of religion.

Tarring all Muslims with the "fundamentalist" stick is a sure way of encouraging attacks on innocent people or at least tacitly condoning them."

I think to bring the action of the Crusades into this, actions committed more than half a millennium ago, and claim that is an example of current Christian behaviour is really nonsensical.

And if you really think the troubles in N.Ireland was a struggle between Catholics and Protestants then you've clearly not spent much time looking into it.

I think your comments about Christians are about as correct and helpful as some of the more ignorant comments made further up the thread about Muslims and Islam.

Which is a shame because your final point about not tarring all Muslims with the same brush is a good and correct one but unfortunately completely lost by your own hypocritical act of tarring all Christians with the same brush.

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