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Why do some people have an inane fear of the police?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise...."
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it. |
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over a year ago
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise....
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it."
How naïve. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise....
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it.
How naïve."
Why are you under the impression they make the laws up? You need a little education there because they don't. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There are several cases of wrongful arrests. Not many people who are arrested are presumed innocent until proven guilty by the police, either, as they work towards prosecuting. Some people also find the police intrusive in their personal life, despite it possibly being in their own interest (e.g. an Osman letter). Also the uniform itself is symbolic of restrictions which some people don't like. There's loads of reasons. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you are completely innocent they you probably have nothing to rear. In reality very few people are totally innocent even if its traffic violations. And besides that some people feel laws are there for others to follow not themselves.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I can understand it, got harassed by two police men when I was a teenager, it left me scared to go out for about six months, and what did I do to come to their attention, I was sarcastic to one if them once, it took a formal complaint and intervention from a local mp to get it looked into, but I'm the biger and better person, I now teach my kids to respect the law, but it could have gone the other way. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise....
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it."
tell that to Stephan Cliscko , the Birmingham six the , guildford four ,large sections of the mining comunitys in this country , oh and anybody who has had the misfortune to have to attend any football match "controlled " by south yorkshire police
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Some of them abuse their power,hence why some people hate them,I got stopped by 4 police in a riot van the other week for no reason other than walking down the street |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise....
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it.tell that to Stephan Cliscko , the Birmingham six the , guildford four ,large sections of the mining comunitys in this country , oh and anybody who has had the misfortune to have to attend any football match "controlled " by south yorkshire police
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Wasn't that the courts who wrongly convicted them. The police only complied with arrest warrants made by the judicial system? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Because they have power over us. This can lead to abuses of power.
Historically the police have not always been honest and also found to be institutionally racist.
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise....
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it.tell that to Stephan Cliscko , the Birmingham six the , guildford four ,large sections of the mining comunitys in this country , oh and anybody who has had the misfortune to have to attend any football match "controlled " by south yorkshire police
Wasn't that the courts who wrongly convicted them. The police only complied with arrest warrants made by the judicial system?"
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By *adgodCouple
over a year ago
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Abuse of power. A natural catch point for bullies in life. Personal experience. Stories of those abused. I dont hate the police, but I am not naive enough to see them as guardian angels. |
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise....
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it.
How naïve."
its not naive at all, that is how it is. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Because they have power over us. This can lead to abuses of power.
Historically the police have not always been honest and also found to be institutionally racist.
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You get both those in the other emergency services too but they are not mistrusted so that can't be the reason. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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you do know there are some corrupt police about? and some of them think it's ok to use violence.
just go on youtube and search anything about police beating people up uk. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"plus some parents tell their kids to behave or they'll have to get the police on them, stupid i know but some parents do that."
yup this is such. A bad thing!!! The confusion this causes and problems with young offenders...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I dont have an inane fear of the police ... i admire them and am very pleased with the dealings we have had with them especially in recent years following the death of a close relative following a rta.
They were excellent and so helpful and supportive and the amount of work they did hugely impressed me and my family and we will forever be grateful to them.
I dont break the law in any way so i have nothing to fear from them personally.
They do a hard and demanding job and get such hassle at times from the public, i couldnt out up with what they do ..... i was at a football match on sunday and the nastiness the d*unken supporters gave to the police and the opposing fans and players was awful but the police handelled (sp?) it well and kept us close to the trouble very safe.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all. "
well in an ideal world i would agree with you,however i have been wrongly arrested many years ago when a fight broke out between two blokes at a friends 21st bday meal in a greek restaurant . I had never been arrested before. I actually work in crime prevention and a member of my family had just become a magistrate. I also was the only one sober in our group of 15 as i was the designated driver. I was arrested cuffed and taken to a police cell for 5 hrs before my friend who was d*unk and worked for the police at the time gave a statement stating that i had not even left my seat,and the guy who was fighting had lied saying it was a black guy who had bottled him... there was no broke glass at the scene... i could have played the race card as i was the only black guy in the whole place but thats not me... i would say tho I dont like greek food lol
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise....
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it.tell that to Stephan Cliscko , the Birmingham six the , guildford four ,large sections of the mining comunitys in this country , oh and anybody who has had the misfortune to have to attend any football match "controlled " by south yorkshire police
Wasn't that the courts who wrongly convicted them. The police only complied with arrest warrants made by the judicial system?"
so keeping a mentally disabled male (cisko ) in a police station for three days with no legal representation or visitors untill he confessed to a crime he did not comit was down to the judicial system and not the police ? the court convicted on this evidence wrongly i may add untill a campaign in the local press got the conviction quashed but the Police are all fine upstanding officers who wouldnt resort to sculduggery to get a conviction . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I reckon there's possibly a tiny minority of police officers who maybe don't 'play fair', that's only to be expected given the numbers, but, imagine life for just one day without the 'thin blue line'.....??
Our police are probably the best and most accountable in the world. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise....
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it.tell that to Stephan Cliscko , the Birmingham six the , guildford four ,large sections of the mining comunitys in this country , oh and anybody who has had the misfortune to have to attend any football match "controlled " by south yorkshire police
Wasn't that the courts who wrongly convicted them. The police only complied with arrest warrants made by the judicial system?so keeping a mentally disabled male (cisko ) in a police station for three days with no legal representation or visitors untill he confessed to a crime he did not comit was down to the judicial system and not the police ? the court convicted on this evidence wrongly i may add untill a campaign in the local press got the conviction quashed but the Police are all fine upstanding officers who wouldnt resort to sculduggery to get a conviction . "
My goodness....That was years ago...!!
I think proceedures have changed drastically since that terrible event....
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise....
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it.tell that to Stephan Cliscko , the Birmingham six the , guildford four ,large sections of the mining comunitys in this country , oh and anybody who has had the misfortune to have to attend any football match "controlled " by south yorkshire police
Wasn't that the courts who wrongly convicted them. The police only complied with arrest warrants made by the judicial system?so keeping a mentally disabled male (cisko ) in a police station for three days with no legal representation or visitors untill he confessed to a crime he did not comit was down to the judicial system and not the police ? the court convicted on this evidence wrongly i may add untill a campaign in the local press got the conviction quashed but the Police are all fine upstanding officers who wouldnt resort to sculduggery to get a conviction .
My goodness....That was years ago...!!
I think proceedures have changed drastically since that terrible event....
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yes they have but memorys havent |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I was once kicked unconscious by a policeman (as related on a recent thread here).
The Guildford four had guns put in to their mouths to extort confessions.
The police manufactured evidence that led to Timothy Evans being executed. He was later exonerated.
Very recently (though in America) a guy was killed after excessive force was used to restrain him
Yeah, they're wonderful, OP |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise....
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it.tell that to Stephan Cliscko , the Birmingham six the , guildford four ,large sections of the mining comunitys in this country , oh and anybody who has had the misfortune to have to attend any football match "controlled " by south yorkshire police
Wasn't that the courts who wrongly convicted them. The police only complied with arrest warrants made by the judicial system?so keeping a mentally disabled male (cisko ) in a police station for three days with no legal representation or visitors untill he confessed to a crime he did not comit was down to the judicial system and not the police ? the court convicted on this evidence wrongly i may add untill a campaign in the local press got the conviction quashed but the Police are all fine upstanding officers who wouldnt resort to sculduggery to get a conviction .
My goodness....That was years ago...!!
I think proceedures have changed drastically since that terrible event....
yes they have but memorys havent "
I agree......memories will stay, but, the system today is totally different than yesteryear......Surely things have improved for the better. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise....
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it.tell that to Stephan Cliscko , the Birmingham six the , guildford four ,large sections of the mining comunitys in this country , oh and anybody who has had the misfortune to have to attend any football match "controlled " by south yorkshire police
Wasn't that the courts who wrongly convicted them. The police only complied with arrest warrants made by the judicial system?so keeping a mentally disabled male (cisko ) in a police station for three days with no legal representation or visitors untill he confessed to a crime he did not comit was down to the judicial system and not the police ? the court convicted on this evidence wrongly i may add untill a campaign in the local press got the conviction quashed but the Police are all fine upstanding officers who wouldnt resort to sculduggery to get a conviction .
My goodness....That was years ago...!!
I think proceedures have changed drastically since that terrible event....
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You will always get people who scrape the barrel for the odd misdoing it happens all over you have got nursery school workers arrested for abuse in the past with the same mentality the same people would paint everyone who works with kids the same. Thankfully rationally minded people have a more objective view. |
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Do you mean an innate fear of police?
Inane means 'idiotic/stupid' where innate means 'natural/untaught'.
If innate I think most people have an issue with authority to varying degrees and therefore can act differently toward a police officer be it subconsciously. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise....
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it.tell that to Stephan Cliscko , the Birmingham six the , guildford four ,large sections of the mining comunitys in this country , oh and anybody who has had the misfortune to have to attend any football match "controlled " by south yorkshire police
Wasn't that the courts who wrongly convicted them. The police only complied with arrest warrants made by the judicial system?so keeping a mentally disabled male (cisko ) in a police station for three days with no legal representation or visitors untill he confessed to a crime he did not comit was down to the judicial system and not the police ? the court convicted on this evidence wrongly i may add untill a campaign in the local press got the conviction quashed but the Police are all fine upstanding officers who wouldnt resort to sculduggery to get a conviction .
My goodness....That was years ago...!!
I think proceedures have changed drastically since that terrible event....
You will always get people who scrape the barrel for the odd misdoing it happens all over you have got nursery school workers arrested for abuse in the past with the same mentality the same people would paint everyone who works with kids the same. Thankfully rationally minded people have a more objective view. "
Thanks.....I say there are now, in 2014, far more safeguards for good folks' safety, freedom and liberty than ever before. |
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Remember at school when you get called to the headmaster's office. And you shit bricks because you think you've done something wrong even if you know you havent.
And when your manager/boss says 'we need to talk. My office'. And you shit bricks.
Or when your dad gets home from work and your mum is displeased because your clothes are covered in grass stains. You know you've not done anything wrong but if mum is unhappy then dad will tell you off.
I suppose it's a bit like that. You're scared because you suddenly think of all the things you have ever done wrong - like when I was 5 and I stole penny sweets from the co-op - and you don't want to get in trouble. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise....
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it.tell that to Stephan Cliscko , the Birmingham six the , guildford four ,large sections of the mining comunitys in this country , oh and anybody who has had the misfortune to have to attend any football match "controlled " by south yorkshire police
Wasn't that the courts who wrongly convicted them. The police only complied with arrest warrants made by the judicial system?so keeping a mentally disabled male (cisko ) in a police station for three days with no legal representation or visitors untill he confessed to a crime he did not comit was down to the judicial system and not the police ? the court convicted on this evidence wrongly i may add untill a campaign in the local press got the conviction quashed but the Police are all fine upstanding officers who wouldnt resort to sculduggery to get a conviction .
My goodness....That was years ago...!!
I think proceedures have changed drastically since that terrible event....
You will always get people who scrape the barrel for the odd misdoing it happens all over you have got nursery school workers arrested for abuse in the past with the same mentality the same people would paint everyone who works with kids the same. Thankfully rationally minded people have a more objective view.
Thanks.....I say there are now, in 2014, far more safeguards for good folks' safety, freedom and liberty than ever before."
What happened in the past, however wrong, is just that.....in the past, and, highly unlikely to be repeated again.
I tend to think we improve our lives every year, no good dwelling in the past. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think the correct word is 'innate' not 'inane' and 'transgress' not 'digress'.
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inane can mean lacking sense. I don't have an innate fear of police,I just don't trust all of them. On the whole I respect and applaud some of the work they do,it can be a tough job |
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise....
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it."
I can say that from personal experience that is simply not true.
I've been threatened with arrest twice for a potential breach of the peace simply because a WPC saw the male in a domestic dispute obviously as the aggressor.
I was accused of a traffic offence that when it went to court the magistrate simply threw out. I have no trust in the police. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
That operates on the presumption that the police themselves are entirely innocent too."
The presumption SHOULD be that the police are 'entirely innocent'.....how could it work otherwise???
I say the police we have today are far more 'straight' (for want of a better term!) and professional than ever before.
I have absolutely no irrational fear of our police force.....
One thing I am glad of is the fact they aren't armed....unlike most others....
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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There have been numerous cases of the rozzers getting it wrong, evidence being fabricated, striking miner's getting nicked on a whim.
Personally, I don't distrust the police as a matter of course, but nor do I believe that a uniform gives them greater wisdom.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i was brought up in fear of doing anything wrong - to respect others (whoever) - and the fear of letting the parents down followed through all of this - to this day if i see the police i feel guilty scared and ive never had any dealings with them for any misdemeanor - just ingrained in me |
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"I say the police we have today are far more 'straight' (for want of a better term!) and professional than ever before."
it's hard to say wether that's true or not, and no i don't profess to know the answer. i grew up in the 80's in a town where the main headquarters for our police is located. there were lots of police around as a result and they would train up new green coppers. they would routinely hassle youngsters as part of this training, quite simply because the towns youngsters were an easy target. a very large amount of police from that time were proved to have fabricated statements and purjured evidence in court. i think their not bothered with older people on the whole, but i still see them hassling youths. one thing i do think though, in present age of "sousveillance" (google it, i had to) by the public and the ability to broadcast the footage from sousveilance on the internet coupled with the courts finally accepting it as evidence, it's having a big impact on how the police conduct themselves. basically they're being forced into having to behave while going about their job these days.
"One thing I am glad of is the fact they aren't armed....unlike most others...."
Amen to that! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Over the years I have had several dealings with the police and always found them polite and courteous as I treated them the same. Only one occasion have I had anything like undue hassle and that was when they caught me and my partner dogging, they were horrible to both of us especially my partner.
Every other occasian they have been very nice both traffic officers and beat bobbies. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all. "
You do know that is a quote from gurbles? People use it all the time without realizing they are quoting him |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I've had many dealings with the police, been pulled over for a traffic offence, had to be a witness for the prosecution in a case on their behalf and I've also had police men and women as my customers and let me tell you something...... I've been shafted every bloody time!!
I don't trust the police because in my experience, they are all wankers who will fuck you over.
You might think I'm harsh but from personal experience, There are only 2 types of police, those who are c#nts all the time and those who are c#nts when they put the uniform on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise....
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it."
The police are not there to uphold the law they are officers of the peace they are for rounding up suspected felons the courts are there to determine guilt or innocence and up hold the law not the police many don't think about that so many police men and women act as judge jury and executioner |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There is a difference between legal and lawful you do not have to give the police your personal details but yet they seem to think you do and on these programs which in my opinion there are far too many of they always threaten to arrest an innocent person for not handing over their details and 9 times out of ten they do remember tho you have rights and you don't have to tell them anything |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Often they prey on ignorance. I have been stopped in my car and their reason was it was a bit of a shed how dare they make such a judgement just because they opted to do a job with crazy high salaries and gold plated pensions and easy routes for promotion I don't mind the police when they act correctly but I always wonder who polices the police ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Search freemen and souvreign not slept that right . Learn and know your rights and the law because if you don't know the lingo etc you will get walked all over |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I have never had any problems with the police. They are doing a job which is not always an easy one. They have to deal with scum on a daily basis. My next door neighbour used to be a police officer and I wouldn't do his job for all the money in the world. I have a lot of sympathy for them and am always polite and courteous to them. Sometimes they get it wrong. As with all misunderstandings, issues are always better settled calmly. |
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise....
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it.
The police are not there to uphold the law they are officers of the peace they are for rounding up suspected felons the courts are there to determine guilt or innocence and up hold the law not the police many don't think about that so many police men and women act as judge jury and executioner "
Mind your tin foil hat, mate, it's letting your clueless paranoia spill out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The police are trained to listen out for key swear words if you say to a copper help a women has just been fuckin ran over or a dude is getting his head fuckin kicked in their first instinct is not to do their job and help they only hear the swearing and instead ofvhelping they try and arrest you for it lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have a mate who was a copper and he quit because of all the racism and bull shit that went on . He was given training for 11 places on the body to hit without leaving a mark |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have dealings with the police on a professional level, I've been stopped/questioned and arrested, I've been a victim of crime, and I've got friends that are serving officers. I think that covers pretty much every level I could have contact. I don't have an innate fear but from experience I wary, I don't overly trust them and don't give them automatic respect. I accept that the bad apples are almost certainly a small minority but they are still a signicant minority.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all. "
What about Ian Tomlinson killed on his way home from work? What about Jean Charles de Menzes who was running for a tube? What about the Birmingham 6? What about Hillsborough? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Try spending the night behind the charge desk. It's an eye opener to say the least....."
Just because you are charging them does not mean they are guilty remember innocent till proven guilty by a court |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Try spending the night behind the charge desk. It's an eye opener to say the least.....
Just because you are charging them does not mean they are guilty remember innocent till proven guilty by a court "
And they should be treated with respect and spoken to like human beings |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Lets do away with the Police as they according to you are ALL corrupt bully boys and girls. Let everyone do what they like beat up and rape old ladies, break in and steal your possessions that you've all worked hard for. Do nothing when an innocent soldier is mown down and hacked to death in our streets or the group of lads hanging around the street and harrassing people cause they have nothing better to do.!!!!
OH and who would clear up the mess after fatal accidents like today having to break the news to loved ones that they have lost a husband, wife or child in a road accident. Who would deal with the d*unks in the streets who damage property???
Yes lets do away with the Police we can all then sleep soundly in our beds.!!!! Bet none of you who are winging would have the guts to do half the jobs our Police have to do.!!! |
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"Try spending the night behind the charge desk. It's an eye opener to say the least.....
Just because you are charging them does not mean they are guilty remember innocent till proven guilty by a court
And they should be treated with respect and spoken to like human beings "
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"Lets do away with the Police as they according to you are ALL corrupt bully boys and girls. Let everyone do what they like beat up and rape old ladies, break in and steal your possessions that you've all worked hard for. Do nothing when an innocent soldier is mown down and hacked to death in our streets or the group of lads hanging around the street and harrassing people cause they have nothing better to do.!!!!
OH and who would clear up the mess after fatal accidents like today having to break the news to loved ones that they have lost a husband, wife or child in a road accident. Who would deal with the d*unks in the streets who damage property???
Yes lets do away with the Police we can all then sleep soundly in our beds.!!!! Bet none of you who are winging would have the guts to do half the jobs our Police have to do.!!!"
In fairness, with the government's austerity measures, if the Chief Constable of Lincolnshire is to be believed we may find out the answer to many of those questions sooner than we care to think |
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What happened in the past, however wrong, is just that.....in the past, and, highly unlikely to be repeated again."
Yeah, maybe, but it's that 'highly unlikely' bit that still worries me.
I don't hate the police, but i don't trust them either. |
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"Try spending the night behind the charge desk. It's an eye opener to say the least.....
Just because you are charging them does not mean they are guilty remember innocent till proven guilty by a court
And they should be treated with respect and spoken to like human beings
That's a 2 way process though"
Respect where respect is due
You'll be surprised how many drink drivers don't think that they haven't done anything wrong because "it's not as if I've killed someone" or how many people think it's perfectly acceptable to knock their partner about |
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Ok I am gonna say this and I expect a backlash but seeing as our grandfathers fought for so called freedom in this country I will say it you say an innocent soldier not soldiers are civilian they signed up to fight wars sorry if this stresses you out but it's true and don't get me wrong it's horrific but we were in a war you cannot be surprised that our enemy strikes us back ?? |
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all. "
I love it when the old "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" argument crops up.
If anyone's interested, and they can be arsed, google "Sean Gabb"+"Identity Cards".
He puts an end to that myth better than i ever could. |
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
What about Ian Tomlinson killed on his way home from work? What about Jean Charles de Menzes who was running for a tube? What about the Birmingham 6? What about Hillsborough?"
They get their bad apples and everyone makes mistakes though I guess. |
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"Try spending the night behind the charge desk. It's an eye opener to say the least.....
Just because you are charging them does not mean they are guilty remember innocent till proven guilty by a court
And they should be treated with respect and spoken to like human beings
That's a 2 way process though
Respect where respect is due
You'll be surprised how many drink drivers don't think that they haven't done anything wrong because "it's not as if I've killed someone" or how many people think it's perfectly acceptable to knock their partner about"
. But you are not a judge or jury you don't determine guilt or hand out punishments |
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"Ok I am gonna say this and I expect a backlash but seeing as our grandfathers fought for so called freedom in this country I will say it you say an innocent soldier not soldiers are civilian they signed up to fight wars sorry if this stresses you out but it's true and don't get me wrong it's horrific but we were in a war you cannot be surprised that our enemy strikes us back ?? "
what..? |
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"Lets do away with the Police as they according to you are ALL corrupt bully boys and girls. Let everyone do what they like beat up and rape old ladies, break in and steal your possessions that you've all worked hard for. Do nothing when an innocent soldier is mown down and hacked to death in our streets or the group of lads hanging around the street and harrassing people cause they have nothing better to do.!!!!
OH and who would clear up the mess after fatal accidents like today having to break the news to loved ones that they have lost a husband, wife or child in a road accident. Who would deal with the d*unks in the streets who damage property???
Yes lets do away with the Police we can all then sleep soundly in our beds.!!!! Bet none of you who are winging would have the guts to do half the jobs our Police have to do.!!!"
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The police didn't/don't stop that happening, sure there's the criminal element who is put off from doing it from a police presence but in fact the police only find and collect evidence on the crimes after they've happened in the vast majority of cases and don't actually stop the crime from happening once the wheels are in motion |
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What I mean is a soldier is not a civilian there job is to fight wars. If you are taking part in a war you cannot be surprised when your enemy tries to strike to and rattle your defences we are not invinsable and it would surely have been worse if it was an innocent civilian taking her kids to work? Don't judge me just putting it out there |
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My dealings with police have included my daughter missing and they were great. Turned out she was at a mates but they were very understanding and nothing was too much trouble....next was a call to the house to inform me my son had been found dead. Again they were very supportive and helpful. A job I wouldnt like to have to do nor could I do but they do it often. Someone steals your car...breaks into your house...assaults you....who do you call? Sure as hell isnt ghostbusters. Yea there are arses in uniform but for every negative account im betting there are more positive ones. |
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Yes lets do away with the Police we can all then sleep soundly in our beds.!!!! Bet none of you who are winging would have the guts to do half the jobs our Police have to do.!!!"
you are over reacting no one is saying that, there have been corrupt, inept, racist officers etc and there has been some major miscarriages of justice and don't even start on deaths in police custody..
however I still have faith in the majority and no i wouldn't do their job despite working alongside them on occasion for over 20 yrs..
scrutiny and being properly held to account when things go wrong is not to be feared or covered up, when that happens we all suffer.. |
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Yes lets do away with the Police we can all then sleep soundly in our beds.!!!! Bet none of you who are winging would have the guts to do half the jobs our Police have to do.!!!
you are over reacting no one is saying that, there have been corrupt, inept, racist officers etc and there has been some major miscarriages of justice and don't even start on deaths in police custody..
however I still have faith in the majority and no i wouldn't do their job despite working alongside them on occasion for over 20 yrs..
scrutiny and being properly held to account when things go wrong is not to be feared or covered up, when that happens we all suffer.."
I wouldn't fancy being part of the west mercia lot at the moment! |
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Most people if you give them power, there'll abuse it.
Even people who are during there now thinking they wouldn't are wrong, you most likely would statistically.
That's why any role/job that requires a certain amount of power from the people being handed over, should have independent transparent and open bodies that oversee them.... This includes even more political office and the higher stages of policing. |
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"Lets do away with the Police as they according to you are ALL corrupt bully boys and girls. Let everyone do what they like beat up and rape old ladies, break in and steal your possessions that you've all worked hard for. Do nothing when an innocent soldier is mown down and hacked to death in our streets or the group of lads hanging around the street and harrassing people cause they have nothing better to do.!!!!
OH and who would clear up the mess after fatal accidents like today having to break the news to loved ones that they have lost a husband, wife or child in a road accident. Who would deal with the d*unks in the streets who damage property???
Yes lets do away with the Police we can all then sleep soundly in our beds.!!!! Bet none of you who are winging would have the guts to do half the jobs our Police have to do.!!!"
it would follow from your knee-jerk reaction that eveyone who is not police is a perpertrator of violence, a rapist of old ladies, burglars, thieves, acomplices in crime because they turn a blind eye and gutless etc etc etc. |
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"What I mean is a soldier is not a civilian there job is to fight wars. If you are taking part in a war you cannot be surprised when your enemy tries to strike to and rattle your defences we are not invinsable and it would surely have been worse if it was an innocent civilian taking her kids to work? Don't judge me just putting it out there"
What the devil are you on??????
I'm sorry.....the most ardent conspiracy theorist could learn legions from you...
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"Most people if you give them power, there'll abuse it.
Even people who are during there now thinking they wouldn't are wrong, you most likely would statistically.
That's why any role/job that requires a certain amount of power from the people being handed over, should have independent transparent and open bodies that oversee them.... This includes even more political office and the higher stages of policing."
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"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely" |
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I don't fear them, but I'm cautious in my dealings with them. I grew up on a rough council housing estate and only managed to move out a few years ago, and I had several less than favourable run ins with local officers who made assumptions about me because of where I was from... Often till it came up that I worked when their attitude towards me would completely change. I was once as good as accused of faking a break in at my home until I told them they could speak to my boss to prove I was nowhere near my property at the time... They decided that wasn't necessary and became sympathetic almost instantly! I have also had a few good experiences, one where I had to report a woman who was hassling me on here and they were great, but I'll always have that wariness in any dealings with them as up to now the bad outweighs the good for me personally unfortunately |
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It's safe to say there is some bent coppers out there.
But we are happy to say there is also some nice ones on fab!
We swinged a few times with a lovely policeman a few years back.
Won't mention the stalker one!
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Reet........I'm off......
The descent has started (albeit late)
I'm busy watching some Great Western Railway brunswick green paint which is drying ever-so-nicely................
Good evenin' all...
(Similar to one Jack Warner) |
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"Often they prey on ignorance. I have been stopped in my car and their reason was it was a bit of a shed how dare they make such a judgement just because they opted to do a job with crazy high salaries and gold plated pensions and easy routes for promotion I don't mind the police when they act correctly but I always wonder who polices the police ? "
I wouldn't call 37000 a year after 10 years service crazy high and the gold plated pension you talk about is paid for by the officers themselves, a PC with 10 years service pays close to 500 a month into his/her pension. The pension system has just been changed so they pay more in and get less out at the end not to mention work 5 years longer. Routes for promotion are far from easy, it takes on average two years to achieve each promotion and they have to jump through hoops to get them. As for who polices the police, the ipcc do and if an officer gets in trouble it doesn't get brushed under the carpet like people think, the officers are investigated more thoroughly than joe public would be and they can expect a much tougher sentence if found guilty. |
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I've never personally been in trouble with the Police and the very large majority I've ever encountered have been excellent.
However I have witnessed (many years ago) a very senior member of the Police blatantly lie and say that something happened that most definitely didn't - resulting in a miscarriage of justice.
So all the great work done by the majority undone by one bad egg. |
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"As for who polices the police, the ipcc do and if an officer gets in trouble it doesn't get brushed under the carpet like people think, the officers are investigated more thoroughly than joe public would be and they can expect a much tougher sentence if found guilty. "
hmmm .... not even our own parliaments home affairs committee agrees with you there i'm affraid.
A parliamentary inquiry set up in the wake of the death of Ian Tomlinson concluded in January 2013 that, "It has neither the powers nor the resources that it needs to get to the truth when the integrity of the police is in doubt."
ref: Home Affairs Committee – Eleventh Report: Independent Police Complaints Commission (conclusions and recommendations). Houses of Parliament. Retrieved 1 February 2013. |
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise....
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it.
How naïve.
Why are you under the impression they make the laws up? You need a little education there because they don't."
I know they dont make the laws up. But they sometimes use them, imaginitively, to be polite. Many police need reminding that they are public servants, there to provideca service to us. I wouldn't like to be a black guy in his twenties driving around Manchester, London, Birmingham etc in a top of the range Mercedes. They have done nothing wrong, but it doesn't stop the police from stopping and searching you every other day.
What if they stop me, and I am carrying a grand in cash in my pocket, and I have to be somewhere quick. That won't cut any ice with them. They won't be happy till they have made you even later.
I haven't much time for them, as personally I have found them ineffectual and disinterested in the mundanity of car crime, burglaries and mugging. There's no money in those. |
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"There have been numerous cases of the rozzers getting it wrong, evidence being fabricated, striking miner's getting nicked on a whim.
Personally, I don't distrust the police as a matter of course, but nor do I believe that a uniform gives them greater wisdom. "
People forget they are human under the blue serge. But the police force does attract a disproportionate amount of people who see it as a power trip. |
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yes they do sometimes investigate complaints against the police although proven to be be somewhat ineffectually, however the findings of the parliamentary committee negates this part of what you said ...
"if an officer gets in trouble it doesn't get brushed under the carpet like people think, the officers are investigated more thoroughly than joe public would be and they can expect a much tougher sentence if found guilty. |
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise....
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it.tell that to Stephan Cliscko , the Birmingham six the , guildford four ,large sections of the mining comunitys in this country , oh and anybody who has had the misfortune to have to attend any football match "controlled " by south yorkshire police
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If that was the case then you'd never see an officer in the dock but unfortunately there are plenty. So if the ipcc doesn't investigate these officers and put them before the courts then perhaps you'd like to enlighten us as to who does. |
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"If that was the case then you'd never see an officer in the dock but unfortunately there are plenty. So if the ipcc doesn't investigate these officers and put them before the courts then perhaps you'd like to enlighten us as to who does. "
the cps obviously... but only if the ipcc conclude there is a case to be investigated further ... and seeing as how the ipcc has been proved to be ineffectual it is indeed rare that police end up in the dock. |
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What percentage of Police do you believe to be corrupt ? And I would suggest the Police is under resourced to provide the service the public perceive they should get ? |
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"If that was the case then you'd never see an officer in the dock but unfortunately there are plenty. So if the ipcc doesn't investigate these officers and put them before the courts then perhaps you'd like to enlighten us as to who does.
the cps obviously... but only if the ipcc conclude there is a case to be investigated further ... and seeing as how the ipcc has been proved to be ineffectual it is indeed rare that police end up in the dock."
So the cps perform investigations, good one, I rest my case. |
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Ha ha I had random check by police on the road..
Mmmmmmmmm..Ohh...Yesss... I will not complain if I will get that cookie in my hands or his handcuffs on mine  |
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"If that was the case then you'd never see an officer in the dock but unfortunately there are plenty. So if the ipcc doesn't investigate these officers and put them before the courts then perhaps you'd like to enlighten us as to who does.
the cps obviously... but only if the ipcc conclude there is a case to be investigated further ... and seeing as how the ipcc has been proved to be ineffectual it is indeed rare that police end up in the dock.
So the cps perform investigations, good one, I rest my case. "
i think you're resting your case to early tbf .... the cps don't get involved unless the ipcc pass on their findings to them first. so, if the impotent ipcc don't pass on their findings then the cps can't investigate. can i ask if you are in fact police? |
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When my son was 6 weeks old I received a visit from 2 police officers from a different constabulary to where I was living (about 40 mile journey). They came to serve me with a harrassment notice because I had posted photos of my baby through the door of my marital home to my estranged husband who had denied the existence of his child. Really, had they not got more important things to do???? |
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You can ask what you like. The cps don't investigate anything, ever. They review evidence that is presented to them and decide wether or not to prosecute based on the evidence available. They are not involved in the investigation side of things. |
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"You can ask what you like. The cps don't investigate anything, ever. They review evidence that is presented to them and decide wether or not to prosecute based on the evidence available. They are not involved in the investigation side of things. "
reviewing presented evidence is by its very nature investigation. |
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" officers are investigated more thoroughly than joe public would be and they can expect a much tougher sentence if found guilty. "
do you have any fact based evidence from reliable and preferably independent sources to back this claim up? |
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over a year ago
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all. "
all well and good... you have never been a black person encountering the attitude of some people.....
I have encounted "stop and search".... i have encountered "dwb" (driving whilst black)..... Its still not a nice thing to go thru |
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
all well and good... you have never been a black person encountering the attitude of some people.....
I have encounted "stop and search".... i have encountered "dwb" (driving whilst black)..... Its still not a nice thing to go thru"
Yeh they never stop the white guy or chase a white guy! No stop scratch that all the police camera action gigs they are nicking a which chav for car steeling and bad behaviour you will be saying next they delete all the black guy clips for some reason. |
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all. "
Not all but a lot are complete bastards and you do well to be wary of them. |
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
all well and good... you have never been a black person encountering the attitude of some people.....
I have encounted "stop and search".... i have encountered "dwb" (driving whilst black)..... Its still not a nice thing to go thru
Yeh they never stop the white guy or chase a white guy! No stop scratch that all the police camera action gigs they are nicking a which chav for car steeling and bad behaviour you will be saying next they delete all the black guy clips for some reason."
can I ask how many times in your life you have just "stopped and searched"...... |
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I know loads of people who feel guilty on sight of a policeman or police car even though they've done nothing wrong.
My opinion? We have been brought up to respect our elders and those in a position of authority. its not fear, its respect, something in which the younger generation lack! |
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The police are there to do a job and on the whole they do that if you are a law abiding citizen you shouldn't have much to fear its those who are up to naughty things that complain the most and the most to fear. |
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"Because they have power over us. This can lead to abuses of power.
Historically the police have not always been honest and also found to be institutionally racist.
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Our local policeman when I was in primary school was PC McIver, he was married to my form teacher. He was really nice: we grew up with much respect for the police.
I was about 14/15 returning to school after lunch. In front of me were three black boys about my age. They were walking slow and talking about football and laughing. I remember Leeds United being mentioned.
At the rate they were walking I would pass them but I didn't want to be in front of them so slowed my gait.
I noticed a car driving slowly and turned to look saw it was a police car and ignored it. When it passed me it kept pace with the boys. The officers had their window down and started making monkey noises and asked "where are you sambos going then?" That was just their opening salvo. We all stopped walking and just looked at the policemen...ooh how it amused them to abuse kids.
After they tired of us they drove of laughing, leaving four kids sad and confused. We looked at each other and said nothing.
I'm 54, police use my office for meetings, I'm still wary around them. I've never done anything to warrant the attention of the police, one bad incident shouldn't damn a whole organisation for me, it's not rational I know that, but I don't trust or care for the police at all. |
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It's not fear, it is distrust. May sound crazy especially as many who display the symptoms were not born when it happened. But the minors strike put the police as a whole on the wrong side, even those who supported thatcher learned the police were a government tool to be used against the masses. This has been passed down to a new generation and can probably never be repaired.
For every 10000 good thing the police do 1 bad thing will show up as why we shouldn't trust them ever again. |
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If you and the police (call out) are in the same place, then something has gone wrong....
Everyone gets things wrong once in a while. All the clips I have seen is the police trying to deal with something and we have the typical are, pissed, mouthy and causing more problems than solving. That's the point they get arrested, even if they were not part of the initial reason for the police being there.
Being arrested is not the same as being charged, arrested is the police say you have committed an offence, you are arrested, then the evidence is examined, admissible evidence, then charged and bailed, not admissible, released. Being arrested is not a criminal record.
The police are like aen any other worker, they don't go out looking for extra work...
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"When my son was 6 weeks old I received a visit from 2 police officers from a different constabulary to where I was living (about 40 mile journey). They came to serve me with a harrassment notice because I had posted photos of my baby through the door of my marital home to my estranged husband who had denied the existence of his child. Really, had they not got more important things to do????"
wow rural police? ??
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"Try spending the night behind the charge desk. It's an eye opener to say the least.....
Just because you are charging them does not mean they are guilty remember innocent till proven guilty by a court
And they should be treated with respect and spoken to like human beings
That's a 2 way process though
Respect where respect is due
You'll be surprised how many drink drivers don't think that they haven't done anything wrong because "it's not as if I've killed someone" or how many people think it's perfectly acceptable to knock their partner about. But you are not a judge or jury you don't determine guilt or hand out punishments "
Indeed. However I do have morals, a sense of decency and do know that difference between right and wrong |
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all.
But experience might teach them otherwise....
Not if you haven't transgressed they only uphold the law not make it.tell that to Stephan Cliscko , the Birmingham six the , guildford four ,large sections of the mining comunitys in this country , oh and anybody who has had the misfortune to have to attend any football match "controlled " by south yorkshire police
Wasn't that the courts who wrongly convicted them. The police only complied with arrest warrants made by the judicial system?so keeping a mentally disabled male (cisko ) in a police station for three days with no legal representation or visitors untill he confessed to a crime he did not comit was down to the judicial system and not the police ? the court convicted on this evidence wrongly i may add untill a campaign in the local press got the conviction quashed but the Police are all fine upstanding officers who wouldnt resort to sculduggery to get a conviction .
My goodness....That was years ago...!!
I think proceedures have changed drastically since that terrible event....
yes they have but memorys havent "
Ah yes memories lets never forget there were a few instances in the late 18th century i believe where a policeman may have shown aggression to a member of the public. Best remember that we dont want any opportunity to knock the police to pass do we?
Remember if people didnt commit crime the police wouldnt be required its only because johnny public can keep their thieving hands or crime commiting to themselves we need them |
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"plus some parents tell their kids to behave or they'll have to get the police on them, stupid i know but some parents do that. yup this is such. A bad thing!!! The confusion this causes and problems with young offenders... "
i teach my children.police are there to help ... My daughter loves policemen at 5 she shouts hiiii in the street waves furiously lol |
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"Reasoning says if you are innocent and don't digress the rules you have nothing to fear after all. "
Sort of true, when i lived in London i knew some really dodgy coppers on the take and worse than the local criminals, thankfully the whole system as been changed from the 80's and 90's so there is only a small percent of corruption now. |
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Has anybody read the story today of the American cop paying for a dozen eggs that a lady had stolen and been caught with, he gave her the eggs and bid her farewell. The police do thousands of good deeds every day, they don't just lock people up, they are usually first at scene at car crashes, house fires, suicide attempts etc etc, they save countless lives, put themselves in danger constantly without any thought for themselves yet the many good deeds are seldom reported. There are now far fewer police officers and the workload is ever increasing. People are harping on about stuff that went on over 30 years ago, pre PaCE, things have changed, get over it. |
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"Has anybody read the story today of the American cop paying for a dozen eggs that a lady had stolen and been caught with, he gave her the eggs and bid her farewell. The police do thousands of good deeds every day, they don't just lock people up, they are usually first at scene at car crashes, house fires, suicide attempts etc etc, they save countless lives, put themselves in danger constantly without any thought for themselves yet the many good deeds are seldom reported. There are now far fewer police officers and the workload is ever increasing. People are harping on about stuff that went on over 30 years ago, pre PaCE, things have changed, get over it. "
Yes definitely agree with this now mate as i have some good police friends, past is the past...
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"Has anybody read the story today of the American cop paying for a dozen eggs that a lady had stolen and been caught with, he gave her the eggs and bid her farewell. The police do thousands of good deeds every day, they don't just lock people up, they are usually first at scene at car crashes, house fires, suicide attempts etc etc, they save countless lives, put themselves in danger constantly without any thought for themselves yet the many good deeds are seldom reported. There are now far fewer police officers and the workload is ever increasing. People are harping on about stuff that went on over 30 years ago, pre PaCE, things have changed, get over it.
Yes definitely agree with this now mate as i have some good police friends, past is the past...
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Brilliant.
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