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Death and after life.

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

The older I get the faster time go and I know one day I will die and we all will. I am scared of the unknown . And knowing how to deal with death is not easy at times. Is there some sort of life beyond this life. ? when the lights go out is that it.? or is there a after life . I feel there could be something just not sure what. I will find out one day until then I have a lot of living to do.

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

I believe in ghosts.

I also believe when you die your dead, all your lives are used up GAME OVER thats it.

I dont often contradict myself but I am here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I do hope not, I live today, don't know if I have tomorrow. And don't plan on doing it again either.

Don't let any fear of the unknown stop your pleasure of the moment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Being an atheist i think this is your lot, make the most of the time you spend here as afterwards we become compost and coal for future generations, ill probably create enough for a pensioner to burn for a week lol.

But for those that believe there is sething after we die good luck hower if there is ill be pleasantly surprised because if there isnt you will be bitterly disappointed

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I don't know. I can't change it so I'll take it as it comes.

If I'm dead, I'm not around to care. If there's something else, well, I'll find out.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Being an atheist i think this is your lot, make the most of the time you spend here as afterwards we become compost and coal for future generations, ill probably create enough for a pensioner to burn for a week lol.

But for those that believe there is sething after we die good luck hower if there is ill be pleasantly surprised because if there isnt you will be bitterly disappointed

How can the dead be disappointed? If there's nothing after, they won't know

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I console myself with the fact that i didn't know i was going to exist before i existed, and when i die it will be the same, i won't know i do not exist.

Not arsed about dying, do hope i get a couple of decades with some grandkids though coz really looking forward to that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have lived every day like its my last since I was 16 yrs old

In the past 20 years or so I have practised Buddhism, even lived in a Sri Lankan Monastery for a while

Been practising that long you would think I'd be good at it by now

Nah still live life in the fast lane

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm not sure about an afterlife or heaven, it's a nice idea but maybe that's all it is, created by us people who can't get to grips with death being the end. Having said that I know ghosts do exist, I've seen one right in front of my face and I was with two mates who also saw the same thing, years later I started to tell my now ex wife the story and she stopped me in my tracks, she then described exactly what I had seen, she had seen the same ghost in the same place a few years before I had. 100% true. So perhaps if there are ghosts then there must be something after death

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I console myself with the fact that i didn't know i was going to exist before i existed, and when i die it will be the same, i won't know i do not exist.

Not arsed about dying, do hope i get a couple of decades with some grandkids though coz really looking forward to that."
I never looked at it like that .. I did not know I existed your right .. I have not had a life I may have if I go see one of them people who take you back in time .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The older I get the faster time go and I know one day I will die and we all will. I am scared of the unknown . And knowing how to deal with death is not easy at times. Is there some sort of life beyond this life. ? when the lights go out is that it.? or is there a after life . I feel there could be something just not sure what. I will find out one day until then I have a lot of living to do.

We believe there is more than this. If you have worries etc we recommend reading deepak chopras life after death.

It is an amazing read, truly a great book

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've been officially dead twice. I can't remember a bloody thing about it. No choirs, no burning and being poked with a fork - nothing!

I don't fear death, it's an inevitability.

I'd like to last until my kids are grown up though.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've been officially dead twice. I can't remember a bloody thing about it. No choirs, no burning and being poked with a fork - nothing!

I don't fear death, it's an inevitability.

I'd like to last until my kids are grown up though....."

No white light?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've been officially dead twice. I can't remember a bloody thing about it. No choirs, no burning and being poked with a fork - nothing!

I don't fear death, it's an inevitability.

I'd like to last until my kids are grown up though....."

You look well for it mate

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've been officially dead twice. I can't remember a bloody thing about it. No choirs, no burning and being poked with a fork - nothing!

I don't fear death, it's an inevitability.

I'd like to last until my kids are grown up though.....

No white light? "

Nope. One minute I was doing what I was doing, next minute I was awake in a hospital feeling like crap. Both times I was apparently gone for a couple of minutes or so.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've been officially dead twice. I can't remember a bloody thing about it. No choirs, no burning and being poked with a fork - nothing!

I don't fear death, it's an inevitability.

I'd like to last until my kids are grown up though.....

No white light?

Nope. One minute I was doing what I was doing, next minute I was awake in a hospital feeling like crap. Both times I was apparently gone for a couple of minutes or so."

Same here

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

We believe there is more than this. If you have worries etc we recommend reading deepak chopras life after death.

It is an amazing read, truly a great book"
Thank you xxx I will now look that up . I am scared of death its strange I know.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But for those that believe there is sething after we die good luck hower if there is ill be pleasantly surprised because if there isnt you will be bitterly disappointed

How can the dead be disappointed? If there's nothing after, they won't know

Oh dear someone who has to make an issue of something that was said in jest, its all hypothetical fun why try to correct something really as unimportant as what i said?

Why not just join in the banter as opposed to making unecessary criticism

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

Ohhh jeez here we go

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I console myself with the fact that i didn't know i was going to exist before i existed, and when i die it will be the same, i won't know i do not exist.

Not arsed about dying, do hope i get a couple of decades with some grandkids though coz really looking forward to that. I never looked at it like that .. I did not know I existed your right .. I have not had a life I may have if I go see one of them people who take you back in time .

Glad it helped, don't get me started on possibilities though haha...

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

But for those that believe there is sething after we die good luck hower if there is ill be pleasantly surprised because if there isnt you will be bitterly disappointed

How can the dead be disappointed? If there's nothing after, they won't know

Oh dear someone who has to make an issue of something that was said in jest, its all hypothetical fun why try to correct something really as unimportant as what i said?

Why not just join in the banter as opposed to making unecessary criticism"

Criticism? It's an observation, not criticism. You're being over-sensitive.

Having an alternative point of view isn't criticism

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By *unky monkeyMan over a year ago

in the night garden

We are all bits of cosmic shat. We could easily be a human, part of a nebulous or a pebble. We are but tears in the rain. We should all stop making humans out to be more important.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

O o O oo

Ok lets not spoil the thread, I think the post was meant as a joke and was taken the wrong way that's all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

22 grams, that's the difference between living and dead, quite what that signifies I don't know

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not sure about an afterlife or heaven, it's a nice idea but maybe that's all it is, created by us people who can't get to grips with death being the end. Having said that I know ghosts do exist, I've seen one right in front of my face and I was with two mates who also saw the same thing, years later I started to tell my now ex wife the story and she stopped me in my tracks, she then described exactly what I had seen, she had seen the same ghost in the same place a few years before I had. 100% true. So perhaps if there are ghosts then there must be something after death

So its a recurring sighting? No photos etc? Funny that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Fucking repeats see its not only on TV they happen

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"22 grams, that's the difference between living and dead, quite what that signifies I don't know"

Someone knicking your jewellery or money out of your wallet? Where did you get the 22g figure from?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"22 grams, that's the difference between living and dead, quite what that signifies I don't know"

The original was "three-fourths of an ounce", or "21 grams"... so something must be weighing heavy on your soul

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So its a recurring sighting? No photos etc? Funny that."

No photos of what? I only saw it once and my wife saw it years before me, we didn't know each-other at the time. Laugh all you like I couldn't give a flying fuck, I know what I saw and I'm not asking anybody to believe it. All I said was that I know for sure ghosts exist. I suppose until you've seen it first hand then you can choose not to believe it. I don't care either way

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You don't KNOW they exist. You BELIEVE they do. Because you saw something. Once. That's tenuous to say the least.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"22 grams, that's the difference between living and dead, quite what that signifies I don't know

The original was "three-fourths of an ounce", or "21 grams"... so something must be weighing heavy on your soul

Sorry yes, I was working from my faulty memory

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You don't KNOW they exist. You BELIEVE they do. Because you saw something. Once. That's tenuous to say the least."

I saw an hippo once, I'm still pretty certain it was there

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

enjoy now, once your dead you wont remember it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But a hippo is a tangible physical form. What made you think this vision of yours was a ghost? Was the hippo you saw a ghost hippo as well?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Without going into detail I was in car crash and was told I had died and as for the light folk talk about in my experience very true.

Unless experienced which I hope no one actually does its hard to grasp.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"22 grams, that's the difference between living and dead, quite what that signifies I don't know

The original was "three-fourths of an ounce", or "21 grams"... so something must be weighing heavy on your soul

Sorry yes, I was working from my faulty memory

Is your faulty memory because your overweight?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Without going into detail I was in car crash and was told I had died and as for the light folk talk about in my experience very true.

Unless experienced which I hope no one actually does its hard to grasp."
Yes its hard for people to grasp and why a lot of us don't say a lot as people will make fun ... But we know the truth and that's what matters . xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You don't KNOW they exist. You BELIEVE they do. Because you saw something. Once. That's tenuous to say the least."

No I didn't see something, I saw a ghost, fact, if there was another explanation I'd say so. I didn't even say what I saw or under what circumstances yet you choose not to ask about the details, you mock what you don't understand and have not experienced.

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By *enny PR9TV/TS over a year ago

Southport

I plan to live forever, so far my plan is working 100%

Jenny xxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"22 grams, that's the difference between living and dead, quite what that signifies I don't know

The original was "three-fourths of an ounce", or "21 grams"... so something must be weighing heavy on your soul

Sorry yes, I was working from my faulty memory

Is your faulty memory because your overweight?

What's weight got to do with things?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Being an atheist i think this is your lot "

You can be an atheist and still believe in an afterlife (technically speaking all 'atheist' means is that one does not accept the existence of a God or Gods) Granted; that's not particularly common, but I know a few atheists who do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

22g instead of 21g. It'd okay. His soul is just in the upper soul mass index!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You don't KNOW they exist. You BELIEVE they do. Because you saw something. Once. That's tenuous to say the least.

There ARE other explanations. I'm not mocking, I just cannot see why a ghost is your only conclusion. The mind plays tricks, and the only person who cannot see that, is the person who it happened to.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So the minds of 3 people played the same trick at the same time did it, there is no other explanation, it happened, we all saw it, I could tell you the whole story but the result would be the same, you'd still find reason to challenge what we saw. I was there, you weren't. Leave it at that eh.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

nothing much frightens me..but death does..

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By *ce WingerMan over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

I believe we all go to the Great Pub In The Sky and have an eternal piss up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

While arranging my mums funeral I decided on a certain song for the service. I couldn't remember the name of the song so went to my parents bookcase to look for mums hymn book... Literally rows and rows of books but the hymn book was no where in sight. Standing about a metre or so from the other end of the shelves I heard a rustle and looked across as a sheet of paper 'fell' out from the books onto the floor... I knew straight away what it was although I didn't know of its existence prior to seeing it... It was a laminated a4 sheet with my chosen hymn typed out on it. I was extremely shocked but comforted at the same time... I can't explain how it happened but I guess mum was helping me out... So yes I do believe in something after death...

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By *unky monkeyMan over a year ago

in the night garden

"I believe we all go to the Great Pub In The Sky and have an eternal piss up

Do they have pork scratchings?

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By *ransGuyTV/TS over a year ago

Cardiff

Death doesn't scare me, being frail and old does.

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

When I do go I want to be cremated.

Fingers crossed I die in the summer.

I love a good bbq

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We've both been thinking a lot about belief lately. Brought up as Christians, we'd been conditioned to believe in an all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful, personal God who, if properly obeyed, would guarantee life ever after in the Kingdom of Heaven. We're now on a journey to try to discover what we REALLY believe. It's not an easy process, and more than a little unsettling (especially the growing realisation that when we die we probably just die, and that's that). It would be much easier, and comforting, to accept the teachings of one or other religion (take your pick, there are lots to choose from) and simply believe in everlasting life. However, it's beginning to look like we're on the path to becoming aethists. Can't say we're happy about it, yet, but it is making us reevaluate pretty much everything anout our lives, and for the most part it's a positive experience.

Sorry, not the usual fab material, but you can blame the OP for bringing the subject up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Tell me where it was. I can contact an investigator, they will be happy to try to see something. I'm not taking the piss. If something has been seen, on more than one occasion and by separate people, is it not a good thing to investigate it, rather than just let it be told as a tale for your grandkids. If there IS something supernatural, we owe it to ourselves to understand it. I might sound sceptical, but that is only because ghost cases never stand up to scrutiny when investigated properly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm a deist (hands up who knows what one of those is? Thought not

)

I see absolutely nothing scientific about either viewpoint. The only way we can find out whether there is or not is through proper scientific enquiry. Until then, anything else is mere speculation.

I suspect there is, but science is not based upon assumptions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Tell me where it was. I can contact an investigator, they will be happy to try to see something. I'm not taking the piss. If something has been seen, on more than one occasion and by separate people, is it not a good thing to investigate it, rather than just let it be told as a tale for your grandkids. If there IS something supernatural, we owe it to ourselves to understand it. I might sound sceptical, but that is only because ghost cases never stand up to scrutiny when investigated properly."

I could pin point it for you to have a look at on google earth but all you will see is a new build house where a once derelict old house once stood. Just because somebody calls themselves an investigator and buys a few dodgy gadgets from eBay doesn't mean they have the means to prove that a ghost sighting is real or fake. I can only say what Me, my mates and my wife years before me saw. Wether it can be proven I don't particularly care either way to be honest

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Dodgy gadgets? Video recorders that run from infra red to ultra violet, sound recorders and thermometers are not dodgy. Laboratories have been using them for years. And still haven't clocked anything.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dodgy gadgets? Video recorders that run from infra red to ultra violet, sound recorders and thermometers are not dodgy. Laboratories have been using them for years. And still haven't clocked anything."

Yes but how do they know ghosts would show up on such gadgets. Who decided that ghosts are on the infra red or ultra violet spectrum or that the temperature will drop if a ghost appears, maybe it's the investigation side of it that's a load of bollocks. I'm not here to try and convince you, I really don't care who believes what. The worlds top guys used to say the world was flat until they proved otherwise.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

I don't know if something comes after ones body ceases breathing and we exit this existence..

I binned religion at age 11..

I do know that we can all believe what we want as long as we don't harm others and see no reason for some to seek to belittle other's views or beliefs because of whatever..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I hope when I die I get to meet the people I've loved missed and cherished my time with. If I don't then hopefully I won't remember this life.

If it's truly the end my only friend the end then I'll never know either way.

I think it's as simple as that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Educated people in medieval times knew the world was round (the ancient Greeks had proved it in the 3rd century BC. Only the uneducated thought it was flat. Just thought I'd point that out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But you have to at least try to investigate, and not just shrug your shoulders and put it down to the all encompassing "supernatural". It was investigation that proved the world was round, not conjecture.

If you used your eyes to see a ghost then a camera will pick it up. If its only your brain that sees it, then you have to look at what the brain might be doing. Thousands of people see Jesus in a piece of burnt toast, it doesn't mean its a sign from god. The human brain makes sense of the world by creating images, and sometimes it grasps at something and sees a face. The same behaviour has been seen in apes and dogs to. As I said, just because you think you saw a ghost, it doesn't mean it was.

What exactly did you see?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good one, who mentioned medieval times tho

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To everybody who's mentioned God and religion...one can be religious and not believe in a God or afterlife (Buddhists, some hindus and Jains don't),

likewise someone can be non-religious and still accept the idea of a God or an afterlife or both (deists and pantheists aren't religious for example. Neither are the atheists who accept the existence of an afterlife)

The OP wasn't asking about religion or God. They were asking for thought

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Good one, who mentioned medieval times tho"

the guy above me did. He said people thought the earth was flat back then. Common misconception. They didn't.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Good one, who mentioned medieval times tho

the guy above me did. He said people thought the earth was flat back then. Common misconception. They didn't."

They knew it was flat and carried on the back of a turtle. I've seen books about it!

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By *y2funMan over a year ago

DUDLEY

" I will find out one day until then I have a lot of living to do.

all you can do is make sure everything that you can do is sorted, make a will... pay for your funeral and get on with your life.. you will know jack about it when it happens.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Live your life like there is an afterlife. Don't lie, don't steal, etc.. You're just here to practice for all those heavenly orgies.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To everybody who's mentioned God and religion...one can be religious and not believe in a God or afterlife (Buddhists, some hindus and Jains don't),

The OP wasn't asking about religion or God. They were asking for thought "

Pretty difficult to offer thoughts about an afterlife without mentioning God or religion. Btw, you were the first to mention God on this thread

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What exactly did you see?"

A ghost, as previously mentioned, it was the perfect form of a grey haired lady staring out of a broken window of a derelict house that had been empty since the war. Me and two mates had just been inside the house looking round, it was open to the elements, the stairs had collapsed and there was no access to the house other than by climbing over a school perimeter fence which we had done. All around the house were thick overgrown brambles and bushes. Inside the house there were old wooden boxes with the odd black and white photos in and a few bits of furniture etc, we looked around the whole house which only consisted of 2 rooms on the ground floor and there was no access to the upstairs as the stairs were collapsed. The roof was partially missing and most if not all of the windows were broken. We didn't cause any damage, we just looked at the photos and old stuff knocking about. When we left we were sitting on the fence about 5 feet from the front door, we were talking about what it must have been like when somebody lived in it. As we were talking the face of a grey haired old lady, perfectly formed, appeared in a broken window next to the door, it was just there, looking straight ahead, I actually turned to her and apologised for going in and said that we thought it was empty. She didn't talk back and there was no change in her expression, we all looked at each other and realised at the same time that there was no old lady there and we ran off screaming, there is no possible way that an old lady was in that house and there hadn't been for many many years. I lived nearby and used to knock golf balls up and down the field, for the 15 years or so I was there I didn't see one person in or around that house. It was a mate of mine who ended up buying the land and building on it. Years later when I met the mrs we were walking my dog on the field, I started to tell her the story but she stopped me and told me her own story which was identical to mine. She went to that school as a kid and had gone in the house with her mates and the same thing happened.

Like I say I'm not interested in what people believe, and just because I have seen a ghost doesn't mean I have a duty to prove it was real or not. I don't go round trying to convince people, I'm not in the least bit interested in the supernatural but I know for a fact I saw a ghost that day. End of story.

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

Im with you Gbiggy. Ive put my experiences down on the forum before, not doing it again but I know what I have felt and heard on at least x3 occassions now. Ive yet to see one, clearly.

Not one person I know of could change my mind and convince me otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Believe or don't believe, your beliefs won't make any difference to the outcome.

The only difference they make is in life!.

So you can waste alot of your life with preying and visiting mumbo jumbo buildings or you can use that time wisely or foolishly, the choice is yours.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Im with you Gbiggy. Ive put my experiences down on the forum before, not doing it again but I know what I have felt and heard on at least x3 occassions now. Ive yet to see one, clearly.

Not one person I know of could change my mind and convince me otherwise."

Cheers ears

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I console myself with the fact that i didn't know i was going to exist before i existed "

How do you know that exactly? The conscious mind does not recall all memories anyway, your subconscious mind does. So if you had existed before, you wouldn't remember anyway.

You can't remember being a baby either, does that mean you weren't a baby then?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I hate the idea that all the people I have known who have died are watching me when I have a wank

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To everybody who's mentioned God and religion...one can be religious and not believe in a God or afterlife (Buddhists, some hindus and Jains don't),

The OP wasn't asking about religion or God. They were asking for thought

Pretty difficult to offer thoughts about an afterlife without mentioning God or religion. Btw, you were the first to mention God on this thread

You're missing my point.

If we could prove (hypothetically) there was some kind of afterlife; what would that have to do with religion?

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"I hate the idea that all the people I have known who have died are watching me when I have a wank

Imagine if they had the chance and they were like 'nah ya ok' and carried on with their suduko or whatever they were doing

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hate the idea that all the people I have known who have died are watching me when I have a wank

Imagine if they had the chance and they were like 'nah ya ok' and carried on with their suduko or whatever they were doing"

That would make me feel a bit better

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"I hate the idea that all the people I have known who have died are watching me when I have a wank

Imagine if they had the chance and they were like 'nah ya ok' and carried on with their suduko or whatever they were doing

That would make me feel a bit better

Id be fucking offended, I mean it would be differnt if God emailed me and said 'It was ya Ma don't fret' but if I was to find out it was a fit chick I'd be offended.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hate the idea that all the people I have known who have died are watching me when I have a wank

Imagine if they had the chance and they were like 'nah ya ok' and carried on with their suduko or whatever they were doing

That would make me feel a bit better

Id be fucking offended, I mean it would be differnt if God emailed me and said 'It was ya Ma don't fret' but if I was to find out it was a fit chick I'd be offended."

They refuse to watch me wank all the time...I'm past getting offended

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I hate the idea that all the people I have known who have died are watching me when I have a wank

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Your fine they are telling me here they don't look. As they know you like too its normal. lol

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"I console myself with the fact that i didn't know i was going to exist before i existed

How do you know that exactly? The conscious mind does not recall all memories anyway, your subconscious mind does. So if you had existed before, you wouldn't remember anyway.

You can't remember being a baby either, does that mean you weren't a baby then?"

I remember being a baby. I clearly recall laying on the floor at my grandmothers watching a giant cat walk past me. of course it was a normal sized cat I was just very small

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By *kataliteMan over a year ago

east kilbride

Twenty years a mortician. No afterlife. Fact sorry

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Twenty years a mortician. No afterlife. Fact sorry"
well not in the body they left no ... But they can make noises . lol And I know its true .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hate the idea that all the people I have known who have died are watching me when I have a wank

Your fine they are telling me here they don't look. As they know you like too its normal. lol

Phew

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Twenty years a mortician. No afterlife. Fact sorry"

That wouldn't be afterlife, they would be zombies. Now I hope nobody is going to start saying zombies arn't real, we all know they are

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't buy into to this afterlife stuff, and I don't fear death either, but what I do fear is how I'm going to die...would hate to get my head sawn off with a blunt knife

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"Twenty years a mortician. No afterlife. Fact sorry

That wouldn't be afterlife, they would be zombies. Now I hope nobody is going to start saying zombies arn't real, we all know they are

Of course they are, the most famous of them all has his birthday soon

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Twenty years a mortician. No afterlife. Fact sorry"

you can't state that as fact.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let's face it, the only people who know for sure whether there is life after death cannot tell us. We all believe in different things, and if you choose to believe that there is life after death then that should be a comfort to you through your life.

As for me, I live for today and enjoy myself. I'm not a believer of life after death, but I'm not going to ruin whatever time I have left by worrying about it.

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By *hortieWoman over a year ago

Northampton

What if.. the light we are supposed to see when we die... is just us being pushed out of another vagina???

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

The great thing about death is that for many of us it will be just the same as life, but for the dwindling oxygen in our brains gently lulling us to a final sleepy goodbye.

There is almost certainly nothing more following our death, no after life consciousness experienced, no more than the ants, other animals etc get when physiological life stops.

O am as certain as I can be, though it's possible that some other dimensions exist. I see us as one of many current branches of animal evolution driven by circumstance and chance. Wishful thinking is likely the driver for older cultures taking comfort from all powerful beings involved in our everlasting existence on new planes.

I don't see the point in trying to delude myself when there is no evidence or rational explanation for things being otherwise.

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By *uke olovingmanMan over a year ago

Gravesend

This is the real total existence.. Right here.. Right now . this is not a dress rehearsal so grab life with both hands and live it to the full

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By *bony in IvoryCouple over a year ago

Black&White Utopia

Live life to the full... Then when death comes to you , like a thief in the night... There is nothing left for it to steal.......

Most certain thing in life us death... Life we have, the living , experiencing and enjoying is totaly up to us.....

Ps i'm not afraid of death ( mrs )

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Twenty years a mortician. No afterlife. Fact sorry

you can't state that as fact. "
.Yeah you can, all scientific evidence to date says there's no afterlife,so it's a fact as we speak today.

Somebody make find some evidence in the future sure but it's a slim chance from what we know so far.

Same for ghosts and gods and voodoo and superstitious nonsense. There's absolutely no evidence for any of it at all so far.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bit deep

Consider this, in a few billion years time, our sun will explode and vapourise our beautiful planet, every church, mosque and synagogue etc etc, every memorial, headstone mausoleum etc etc will cease to exist.

Me, I'll be drifting around the rest of the universe enjoying myself ??

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By *uke olovingmanMan over a year ago

Gravesend

We are stardust. We are golden

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Science is often wrong & cannot explain everything.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Twenty years a mortician. No afterlife. Fact sorry

you can't state that as fact. .Yeah you can, all scientific evidence to date says there's no afterlife,so it's a fact as we speak today.

Somebody make find some evidence in the future sure but it's a slim chance from what we know so far.

Same for ghosts and gods and voodoo and superstitious nonsense. There's absolutely no evidence for any of it at all so far."

Just because the evidence isn't there to prove such things doesn't make it fact. It would be fact if they could prove such things didn't exist. As it stands today we have no scientific proof that's all. I'm not saying there is an afterlife but until the boffins prove there isn't then nobody can say there isn't with any degree of certainty. Science can't prove everything, they have no idea what to look for for a start, it's all guess work.

Anyway, I'm off, got some dead relatives coming round for tea

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Death is part of life. I believe that your spirit lives in your physical body and when your physical body breaks down and dies, your spirit lives on in a different vibrational state - an astral plane.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple over a year ago

chesterfield

"I've been officially dead twice. I can't remember a bloody thing about it. No choirs, no burning and being poked with a fork - nothing!

I don't fear death, it's an inevitability.

I'd like to last until my kids are grown up though.....

No white light?

Nope. One minute I was doing what I was doing, next minute I was awake in a hospital feeling like crap. Both times I was apparently gone for a couple of minutes or so."

Mr spicy was dead for 14 minutes. He can remember everything about it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Science is often wrong & cannot explain everything.

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Your right it often is.

But it's also incredibly good at a lot of other things like evolution.

I read in a science journal not long ago an article by Richard Dawkins and Stephen hawking that there's about a 0.000003% chance that there wrong on evolution.

Now if you wanna hold on to those odds that's fine by me.

Me I don't know much about evolution but people who are very clever with it reckon it's gospel due to the amount of evidence they have.

So I weigh this against people who say otherwise and they have no evidence at all!, except a belief or a vision.

So I'll go with the scientists till some other crackpot comes up with some evidence for their vision or belief.

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

No evidence to suggest there is anything beyond ?

Quite a lot of data suggesting there isn't

One rather good piece of data is the fact there is no evidence

It's not an unreasonable suggestion that IF there was life after death that it would be known as a fact with robust evidence .

Very sadly hundreds of thousands have had sever brain injurys , giving very strong data to suggest , a person is only the product of their neural processing . Destroy the neurons destroy the self thus very doubtful, self exists in any form other than a meme after physical brain death ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Evolution, The Scientific Method and a Spiritual perspective are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Ken Wilber's work is well worth reading

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've been officially dead twice. I can't remember a bloody thing about it. No choirs, no burning and being poked with a fork - nothing!

I don't fear death, it's an inevitability.

I'd like to last until my kids are grown up though.....

No white light?

Nope. One minute I was doing what I was doing, next minute I was awake in a hospital feeling like crap. Both times I was apparently gone for a couple of minutes or so.

Mr spicy was dead for 14 minutes. He can remember everything about it.

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.You mean his heart had stopped!.

There's a difference to doctors, clinically dead, half dead, heart stopped, brain dead, comatose..

I was once a dead beat and today I'm a bit dead tired..

Last week i was so d*unk I really was dead... Hard to wake up.

Somebody revive my granddad who died in 1983... That's dead dead, if hes seen the light I'm in.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Science is often wrong & cannot explain everything.

Your right it often is.

But it's also incredibly good at a lot of other things like evolution.

I read in a science journal not long ago an article by Richard Dawkins and Stephen hawking that there's about a 0.000003% chance that there wrong on evolution.

Now if you wanna hold on to those odds that's fine by me.

Me I don't know much about evolution but people who are very clever with it reckon it's gospel due to the amount of evidence they have.

So I weigh this against people who say otherwise and they have no evidence at all!, except a belief or a vision.

So I'll go with the scientists till some other crackpot comes up with some evidence for their vision or belief."

There are places in America and who knows where else where they still teach creationism instead of evolution. It just amazing how a few can control the massses with manipulated information.

Although what that had to do with what the OP said fuck knows.

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By *ipswingCouple over a year ago

portrush

think if God exists ..twill say ...if you didnt appreciate what you got down here....

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By *picyspiregirlCouple over a year ago

chesterfield

"I've been officially dead twice. I can't remember a bloody thing about it. No choirs, no burning and being poked with a fork - nothing!

I don't fear death, it's an inevitability.

I'd like to last until my kids are grown up though.....

No white light?

Nope. One minute I was doing what I was doing, next minute I was awake in a hospital feeling like crap. Both times I was apparently gone for a couple of minutes or so.

Mr spicy was dead for 14 minutes. He can remember everything about it.

.You mean his heart had stopped!.

There's a difference to doctors, clinically dead, half dead, heart stopped, brain dead, comatose..

I was once a dead beat and today I'm a bit dead tired..

Last week i was so d*unk I really was dead... Hard to wake up.

Somebody revive my granddad who died in 1983... That's dead dead, if hes seen the light I'm in."

No. I mean he was dead. Covered with a blanket and taken to a morgue,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i just refuse to believe in all the things different people say/believe i tell myself when the time comes that is the end no peace no rest nothing just nothingness full stop i don't want to go through my life expecting anything different. everyone is entitled to there own beliefs/ hopes mind i am not knocking those who find comfort in there beliefs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Funny I used to be scared of death but losing people close to me has strangely calmed that fear.

Take me when my son is old enough to look after himself. S'all I ask.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I believe strongly in life afterlife. That we have been brought to this life for a purpose higher than just just live, enjoy as much as u can before you die. Is life short? Yes. Would it be the same if we had a blattant evidence that there is life after life and there is an eternal creator? No. Is there signs that there is an eternal creator and that there is life after life. Oh yes. There are endless signs out there for all of us to see and those with brains would make them think and wonder about it, then investigate.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To everybody who's mentioned God and religion...one can be religious and not believe in a God or afterlife (Buddhists, some hindus and Jains don't),

The OP wasn't asking about religion or God. They were asking for thought

Pretty difficult to offer thoughts about an afterlife without mentioning God or religion. Btw, you were the first to mention God on this thread

You're missing my point.

If we could prove (hypothetically) there was some kind of afterlife; what would that have to do with religion? "

Well, hypothetically, I think it would have nothing or everything to do with religion. But, at a guess, I would venture that religion would be strengthened greatly as theists line up to say 'I told you so'. And sadly, we'd still have all the religions competing as to the correct path to follow for a 'happy' afterlife, while scientists try to prove it's a natural not supernatural phenomena.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I believe that we are born to reproduce and die the same as every other animal on the planet

there is no logical reason for an after Iife, it would not benefit anything, everything happens for a reason, we have evolved to benifits the life style humans have had thrust upon us and an after life does not fit into that

i believe when our light burns out it is the end

this is of course only my opinion

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By *asmanian TigerMan over a year ago

lala land

"I believe that we are born to reproduce and die the same as every other animal on the planet

i believe when our light burns out it is the end

this is of course only my opinion "

And this is the main reason why we should learn to forgive and forget don't judge others and live your day as if it was your last one ...

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By *obbytupperMan over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

Live life to the full, don't fear death, it could be a new begining.

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By *dam_TinaCouple over a year ago

Hampshire

"Twenty years a mortician. No afterlife. Fact sorry"

You forgot to say 'end of.' Then we would know it was definitely a fact.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I actually can't think of anything worse than spending eternity with everyone I couldn't bloody stand when I was alive

sod that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Twenty years a mortician. No afterlife. Fact sorry"

that made me laugh, was you expecting a thank you card from beyond the grave

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Scared shittless of dying. Not the death bit.

But never seeing My loved ones again, not being able to cuddle jools again, hold my kid's, see my grandkids smiles.

That's far more scary than dying.

However, the fact that I have been able to do all of these things and for the time being still can makes me grateful of the life I have now and have had.

Death is inevitable it's how you choose to live that matters.

Xxx

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By *dam_TinaCouple over a year ago

Hampshire

It scares the hell out of me

and the end is all I can see

and it scares the hell out of me

and the end is all I can see

Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, oh wo wo wo wo...........

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Twenty years a mortician. No afterlife. Fact sorry

that made me laugh, was you expecting a thank you card from beyond the grave

The Ungrateful Dead.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have sat with loved ones as they died and don't fear death. I'd hate to live forever in the afterlife ..... I need the rest of eternal sleep!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Unfortunately due toy job I've seen a lot of death, some traumatic,some longed for.... But I'm convinced there is something else after death...... I was always taught to open a window after someone had died to let the soul out.... I was trained by Flo Nightingale!, but I still do it, old wives tales or not! I sold my soul a long time ago I don't need anyone else's clinging to me!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Twenty years a mortician. No afterlife. Fact sorry

that made me laugh, was you expecting a thank you card from beyond the grave

The Ungrateful Dead."

hahahahaha!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Unfortunately due toy job I've seen a lot of death, some traumatic,some longed for.... But I'm convinced there is something else after death...... I was always taught to open a window after someone had died to let the soul out.... I was trained by Flo Nightingale!, but I still do it, old wives tales or not! I sold my soul a long time ago I don't need anyone else's clinging to me!!!!

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I think that's so lovely you do that for them in death. xxxx

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I believe strongly in life afterlife. That we have been brought to this life for a purpose higher than just just live, enjoy as much as u can before you die. Is life short? Yes. Would it be the same if we had a blattant evidence that there is life after life and there is an eternal creator? No. Is there signs that there is an eternal creator and that there is life after life. Oh yes. There are endless signs out there for all of us to see and those with brains would make them think and wonder about it, then investigate. "

Are there signs of an eternal creator and after life ? Not one to my knowledge ?

On the subject of belief , it amazes me how many people take the strong position of belief when there is zero, limited or tenuous data to reinforce blatant human invented fairy tails ?

As an atheist with an interest in science , I'm often wrongly without evidence, accused of denying one persons belief with one of my own this is not evidenced nor true

Let's take two theorys

big bang and dark matter

I understand the reasoning behind both and at this moment I would say I don't believe either

This is not because I don't think them plausible as I think the possibility and plausibility are pretty well evidenced however , there is no where near enough data for me to take the strong position of belief , as I feel certain new data will refine the theories hopefully to a place where I can say I believe the words in the theory reflect reality

There is more evidence for dark matter than there is for mental capacity after brain death and sadly the evidence we do have could yet be a mathematical error

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

so true about time going quicker as you get older

i started thinking about the afterlife this year when my mothers long term partner passed away

even started researching it a bit. i`d like to believe there is something after death

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By *VineMan over a year ago

The right place

Most people think that the Christian position on life after death is heaven, a spiritual realm. The separation of body (evil) and soul/spirit (good). This belief has more to do with Plato than it does the Bible. The Judeo-Christian hope is based on resurrection and a renewed earth.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Whilst my mom was under general anaesthetic having a c section, she had a "conversation" with a higher being who kept telling her that life is just seconds, a blink of an eye and that it doesn't matter how long we are physically here, we all make an impact.

2 days later my brother who she had given birth to, died.

She relayed this experience to her doctor who told her that it couldn't be a dream as you are not able to dream under anaesthetic as you are not in REM.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

At least this thread is a little more intriguing than the usual fuck-wank-kiss-pass threads.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So its a recurring sighting? No photos etc? Funny that.

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Thou I admit I have not first hand seen a ghost I,d prefer To believe what you say than all the Doubters say, I worked on a site where Sightings had been seen and other strange happenings which I can only Relate to this of the latter In another area of the uk In Norfolk Which happened twice In the Same room a year apart.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i came close to dying when I was 19, touch and go for a while, I clearly remember feeling very calm and at ease, although I couldn't talk I could hear and remember being more sad for my mum and dad. Death has never worried me, I will die, if there's something after great, if there isn't, I won't know about it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are there signs of an eternal creator and after life ? Not one to my knowledge ?

On the subject of belief , it amazes me how many people take the strong position of belief when there is zero, limited or tenuous data to reinforce blatant human invented fairy tails ?

As an atheist with an interest in science , I'm often wrongly without evidence, accused of denying one persons belief with one of my own this is not evidenced nor true

Let's take two theorys

big bang and dark matter

I understand the reasoning behind both and at this moment I would say I don't believe either

There is more evidence for dark matter than there is for mental capacity after brain death and sadly the evidence we do have could yet be a mathematical error

The same old false claim as if only Atheists are interested in science!! The choice of words that show disrespect to any other religious believers! Thats sheer arogance. Anyone can claim that his/there beliefs/non beliefs are the true ones, the scientific ones ect. As for the signs, they are endless for the thoughtful ones to think about.

Just look at at a desert land where there is no sign of life. Then comes a wind, carrying with it a clowd from no where, and the rain fall down and just like that. The same land is full of life again. The force that is capable of bringing back life to a dead desert. Is also capable to bring u back to life after your death, just as he created u the first time and you were nothing. Then he'll ask you? Have I not given eyes to see my signs, a brain to think about your purpose on life?, have I not sent on to you messangers and prophets with proofs? Today is the day of true justice and everyone will have their deeds put in front them to be judged. today is the day where there is only true and absolute justice.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"At least this thread is a little more intriguing than the usual fuck-wank-kiss-pass threads.

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Its made some good reading and give me a lot to think about. I keep a open mind on this. xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Science is often wrong & cannot explain everything.

I read in a science journal not long ago an article by Richard Dawkins and Stephen hawking that there's about a 0.000003% chance that there wrong on evolution."

Apart from the fact that Darwinism as espoused by Dawkins is a bastardised form of it that bears little resemblance to reality. Nature is not 'selfish', nor is the gene. Social animals are not wholly autonomous, solitary units that are only out for what the can get. All social animals, including humans, cooperate. Otherwise humanity would not be have reached the level it is at now.

No disrespect to anyone's beliefs at all; but until there is proof both sides of the argument are talking out of their arses. This subject is deserving of proper legitimate scientific enquiry rather than just total guesses that fit people's narrow belief systems. And that goes for both sides of the argument

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Science is often wrong & cannot explain everything.

I read in a science journal not long ago an article by Richard Dawkins and Stephen hawking that there's about a 0.000003% chance that there wrong on evolution.

I thought part of the discussion in the selfish gene was that we are genetically disposed to co-operate with each other. Since it increases our chance of survival and therefore reproduction.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You don't KNOW they exist. You BELIEVE they do. Because you saw something. Once. That's tenuous to say the least.

There ARE other explanations. I'm not mocking, I just cannot see why a ghost is your only conclusion. The mind plays tricks, and the only person who cannot see that, is the person who it happened to."
Has you are so Convinced that what you believe Is Right If someone asked you to stop over In one of the most haunted buildings In the uk for 6 months or more as a challenge on your own would You take It up Its alright talking on Here and expressing yourself But In reality It would be probabily be a different thing with excuse,s at the Forefront Thats the difference The first one being I don,t have to prove Myself to anyone...

but at the end of the day this is what a forum,s for You have your say and we,ll have ours Freedom of speech nothing change,s There then we can debate about this as much as we want you won,t change your Mind or anyone similar and I won,t change my mind along with anyone similar so It will always be stalemate Good to have different views on the subject makes lively debate If a bit heated sometimes..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are there signs of an eternal creator and after life ? Not one to my knowledge ?

On the subject of belief , it amazes me how many people take the strong position of belief when there is zero, limited or tenuous data to reinforce blatant human invented fairy tails ?

As an atheist with an interest in science , I'm often wrongly without evidence, accused of denying one persons belief with one of my own this is not evidenced nor true

Let's take two theorys

big bang and dark matter

I understand the reasoning behind both and at this moment I would say I don't believe either

There is more evidence for dark matter than there is for mental capacity after brain death and sadly the evidence we do have could yet be a mathematical error

How you managed to conflate the two ideas of ressurection, and germination is beyond me.

Resurrection is bringing someone back to life who is dead.

Germination is the growing of a plant from a seed, usually in combination of the correct temperature, amount of water and oxygen.

One is a scientific fact the other is straight out of a novel by Mary Shelley

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are there signs of an eternal creator and after life ? Not one to my knowledge ?

On the subject of belief , it amazes me how many people take the strong position of belief when there is zero, limited or tenuous data to reinforce blatant human invented fairy tails ?

As an atheist with an interest in science , I'm often wrongly without evidence, accused of denying one persons belief with one of my own this is not evidenced nor true

Let's take two theorys

big bang and dark matter

I understand the reasoning behind both and at this moment I would say I don't believe either

There is more evidence for dark matter than there is for mental capacity after brain death and sadly the evidence we do have could yet be a mathematical error

How you managed to conflate the two ideas of ressurection, and germination is beyond me.

Resurrection is bringing someone back to life who is dead.

Germination is the growing of a plant from a seed, usually in combination of the correct temperature, amount of water and oxygen.

One is a scientific fact the other is straight out of a novel by Mary Shelley

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Debate has to be good you have your views and we have ours.. right or wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How you managed to conflate the two ideas of ressurection, and germination is beyond me.

Resurrection is bringing someone back to life who is dead.

Germination is the growing of a plant from a seed, usually in combination of the correct temperature, amount of water and oxygen.

One is a scientific fact the other is straight out of a novel by Mary Shelley

Debate has to be good you have your views and we have ours.. right or wrong."

Debatin the earth is flat does not make it flat, right or wrong lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Someone on here bought all this up last week. I think he or she said;

If you want to know what it's like to be dead, think about a hospital operation you've had. Can you remember the time you were under? As soon as they put you to sleep, you woke again, although perhaps 1-5 hours had passed. Anaesthetist' s take you as close to death as is 'livingly' possible.

I think I believe this.

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By *londeCazWoman over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria

I've said before that I'm not afraid of death - I believe there is "something" afterwards but, of course, I've no proof of that, it's an article of faith for me. I am afraid of suffering, pain and losing my reason so I hope I just pop off quickly and I'm afraid of dying alone and not being found as I think that would be awful for whichever poor sod has to break in and find me half eaten by my cats

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I believe there is life after death. I think we are put on this earth just to be tested. Do we belong upstairs or downstairs? Xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I haven't read the whole thread sorry, if I'm repeating. I've worked my whole life around the dying. And sat with many, at the end. They know when their time to go is... And sometimes I believe control it, or wait to a certain extent. ... But.. I have sat with some in the early hours when it's very quiet.. They have been very close to the end. They have spoken clearly and concisely to another member of their family.. Usually their mum... Who's long gone. They smile and chat, very convincingly... Eerie but so real. So I do wonder????

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

But for those that believe there is sething after we die good luck hower if there is ill be pleasantly surprised because if there isnt you will be bitterly disappointed

I'm not sure that's really logical. Surely, if there is no afterlife, those that believe in one will be neither satisfied or dissatisfied after death because they just will not be. On the other hand, those that believe there is nothing would almost certainly be surprised if when they die they find themselves still in some sort of existence. Whether this would be a pleasant surprise I'm not so sure. Non of the afterlife religions really hold out much hope of bliss and happiness for non believers, especially atheists.

Sorry

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I haven't read the whole thread sorry, if I'm repeating. I've worked my whole life around the dying. And sat with many, at the end. They know when their time to go is... And sometimes I believe control it, or wait to a certain extent. ... But.. I have sat with some in the early hours when it's very quiet.. They have been very close to the end. They have spoken clearly and concisely to another member of their family.. Usually their mum... Who's long gone. They smile and chat, very convincingly... Eerie but so real. So I do wonder???? "

A loved one comes to collect us. My nan spent her last week at home. She kept pointing to the corner of the ceiling and asking who the man was she couldnt see his face. She was sedated in the end. But her final breath she opened her eyes which were fixed on where she had been pointing to with what was most definitely a smile. It was my grandad he only showed himself when it was her time xxx

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

But for those that believe there is sething after we die good luck hower if there is ill be pleasantly surprised because if there isnt you will be bitterly disappointed

How can the dead be disappointed? If there's nothing after, they won't know

Oh dear someone who has to make an issue of something that was said in jest, its all hypothetical fun why try to correct something really as unimportant as what i said?

Why not just join in the banter as opposed to making unecessary criticism"

I think the reply is also a bit in jest. I know mine was

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Have heard similar stories from the oh who also I suspect is in the same profession..

when my mum died we had another family member in the Clatterbridge cancer hospital who was on strong pain relief and was unaware of how bad his cousin, our mother was..

we went to see him 2 days after mum went as we were told he was not expected to last long and his wife who was also not aware mum had gone had had a conversation the previous day where he had said to her that he had spoke to ***** who had told him 'things would be ok'..

beyond me..

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"We are all bits of cosmic shat. We could easily be a human, part of a nebulous or a pebble. We are but tears in the rain. We should all stop making humans out to be more important."

We may be made out of the same cosmic star-dust as a pebble on the beach but the very fact that we can contemplate not only our existence but our previous and future non-existence I think somewhat makes us different from the pebble.

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By *londeCazWoman over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria

If there is indeed an afterlife, I shall be doing me damnedest to contact those bloody atheists who reckon there's nowt so's I can cock a snook and blow raspberries at them...if there isn't, then I won't know about it cos I'll have just ceased to be - in either case I'll either be having fun or not be aware so it's all good

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

So its a recurring sighting? No photos etc? Funny that.

Personally I don't believe in ghosts but that does not mean I don't believe what your saying. I'm happy to believe that you and others have witnessed something unusual and that you believe that to be a ghost. However for me to believe in ghosts I'd really have to have something a little less anecdotal. The mind often plays tricks on us when it can't explain what it's seen.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"You don't KNOW they exist. You BELIEVE they do. Because you saw something. Once. That's tenuous to say the least.

I saw an hippo once, I'm still pretty certain it was there"

I've seen hippos to and I believe they exist. Other people can go and see the hippo in exactly the same way I can.

On the other hand some people claim to have seen fairies but they've never been able get everyone else to see then in exactly the same way. Personally I have never seen a fairy and don't believe they exist

And others claim to have seen ghosts, some times, in similar situations, these ghosts can repeatedly appear to different people. Personally I have seen things that some people might call a ghosts but I don't believe they exist.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Twenty years a mortician. No afterlife. Fact sorry

That wouldn't be afterlife, they would be zombies. Now I hope nobody is going to start saying zombies arn't real, we all know they are

Now that IS true. Bolton town centre is crawling with them.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Without going into detail I was in car crash and was told I had died and as for the light folk talk about in my experience very true.

Unless experienced which I hope no one actually does its hard to grasp.Yes its hard for people to grasp and why a lot of us don't say a lot as people will make fun ... But we know the truth and that's what matters . xx"

Whilst I personally do believe in an after life it is always a believe. It can never be proved. Your experience in near death situations could be the start of the rising of your soul to some form of heaven or other after life (And I like to believe it is); it could also just be an hallucination brought about by lack of oxygen to the brain and pre-conceived ideas about what is going to happen to you when you do die.

Believe is never provable, if it was you would not need to believe it. You'd know it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You don't KNOW they exist. You BELIEVE they do. Because you saw something. Once. That's tenuous to say the least.

There ARE other explanations. I'm not mocking, I just cannot see why a ghost is your only conclusion. The mind plays tricks, and the only person who cannot see that, is the person who it happened to. Has you are so Convinced that what you believe Is Right If someone asked you to stop over In one of the most haunted buildings In the uk for 6 months or more as a challenge on your own would You take It up Its alright talking on Here and expressing yourself But In reality It would be probabily be a different thing with excuse,s at the Forefront Thats the difference The first one being I don,t have to prove Myself to anyone...

I would jump at the chance. Why wouldn't I do it? What is there to be scared of? Keep my job open and pay me expenses and I will gladly go.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Science is often wrong & cannot explain everything.

I read in a science journal not long ago an article by Richard Dawkins and Stephen hawking that there's about a 0.000003% chance that there wrong on evolution.

You can not prove a belief. If you could prove a belief it would not be a belief and longer. It would be fact.

As for God and Evolution. I have no problem in believing in God and accepting evolution as the best theory and most likely explanation of the how things came to be as they are now. If a better theory comes along I'll look at it and maybe accept that instead.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've been thinking about it lately. Have had a few things going on in my life which have been making me think. It's not good when i start thinking

Is a scary thought all that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I love reading the top of a forum thread and then scrolling to the bottom.

You almost know what you will see...

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

How you managed to conflate the two ideas of ressurection, and germination is beyond me.

Resurrection is bringing someone back to life who is dead.

Germination is the growing of a plant from a seed, usually in combination of the correct temperature, amount of water and oxygen.

One is a scientific fact the other is straight out of a novel by Mary Shelley

Debate has to be good you have your views and we have ours.. right or wrong.

Debatin the earth is flat does not make it flat, right or wrong lol"

But it is flat, just curved also. In very much the same way as space itself is both straight and curved as the same time. It's all a matter of dimension and perspective.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am a non believer and I don't believe we have life after death. And no I don't believe in evolution or god either. We just exists and that's it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am a non believer and I don't believe we have life after death. And no I don't believe in evolution or god either. We just exists and that's it."

How can you not believe in evolution, if there were no evolution how can we just exist? How did we get here?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"I am a non believer and I don't believe we have life after death. And no I don't believe in evolution or god either. We just exists and that's it."

Well you shouldn't believe in evolution. Evolution is a theory. You don't believe in theories. Theories either adequately fit a scenario or they do not. There is no belief required, just empirical evidence that either supports the theory, thus adding to its creditability, or empirical evidence that detracts from the theory, thus reducing its creditability.

That is the bases of scientific approach.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am a non believer and I don't believe we have life after death. And no I don't believe in evolution or god either. We just exists and that's it.

How can you not believe in evolution, if there were no evolution how can we just exist? How did we get here?"
Because the truth is so hard for us humans to comprehend so the scientists have made a simple version to please everyone of a alternative outcome how we became to be..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am a non believer and I don't believe we have life after death. And no I don't believe in evolution or god either. We just exists and that's it.

How can you not believe in evolution, if there were no evolution how can we just exist? How did we get here?

Because the truth is so hard for us humans to comprehend so the scientists have made a simple version to please everyone of a alternative outcome how we became to be.. "

You speak for yourself I have a BSC in anthropology I understand it totally

Its actually quite easy to follow ....we didn't used to look like us but through the power of evolution we now do, oh hang on maybe that the simple version made up for us thickos

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How you managed to conflate the two ideas of ressurection, and germination is beyond me.

Resurrection is bringing someone back to life who is dead.

Germination is the growing of a plant from a seed, usually in combination of the correct temperature, amount of water and oxygen.

One is a scientific fact the other is straight out of a novel by Mary Shelley

Debate has to be good you have your views and we have ours.. right or wrong.

Debatin the earth is flat does not make it flat, right or wrong lol

But it is flat, just curved also. In very much the same way as space itself is both straight and curved as the same time. It's all a matter of dimension and perspective."

Not really. The definition of flat is that it has no curved parts. As for your point about perspective, if you were floating in space then you would observe a flat earth instead of a sphere unless it was next to a black hole I suppose. For orther dimensions, well we can only see in 3 so not sure how that helps.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"I am a non believer and I don't believe we have life after death. And no I don't believe in evolution or god either. We just exists and that's it.

How can you not believe in evolution, if there were no evolution how can we just exist? How did we get here?"

There are numerous explanations for how we could exist. Adam & Eve for one.

Some of the explanations require belief and faith to a level that I don't have.

Evolution, on the other hand, does not require belief. I don't believe in evolution, however it is the best theory that fits the current evidence. If a better theory comes along than that will take its place.

I do believe in a single God and I won't change that just because a new theory comes along that sounds more appealing or has a slightly better explanation of some facet of existence. (Say Hinduism or Buddhist).

Religion is faith and belief. It does not have to rational.

Science is rational. It should not be about belief but exclusively empirical evidence.

To say you believe in evolution is to ascribe some sort of faith in the correctness of the theory. But a theory does not want your faith or belief. If a theory wants anything it simply wants to be the best explanation for the observed reality until a better one comes along.

To say you believe in a theory or science is, quite simply, an oxymoron. There is no place for any belief in science, not even belief in science.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am a non believer and I don't believe we have life after death. And no I don't believe in evolution or god either. We just exists and that's it.

How can you not believe in evolution, if there were no evolution how can we just exist? How did we get here?

Because the truth is so hard for us humans to comprehend so the scientists have made a simple version to please everyone of a alternative outcome how we became to be..

You speak for yourself I have a BSC in anthropology I understand it totally

Its actually quite easy to follow ....we didn't used to look like us but through the power of evolution we now do, oh hang on maybe that the simple version made up for us thickos

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Yes they might prove evolution but where do god come into all this? that's the part no one can explain lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am a non believer and I don't believe we have life after death. And no I don't believe in evolution or god either. We just exists and that's it."

Evolution only explains how we adapt and change to our environment. How life came to exist is abiogenesis, once life has formed then evolution takes over.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

How you managed to conflate the two ideas of ressurection, and germination is beyond me.

Resurrection is bringing someone back to life who is dead.

Germination is the growing of a plant from a seed, usually in combination of the correct temperature, amount of water and oxygen.

One is a scientific fact the other is straight out of a novel by Mary Shelley

Debate has to be good you have your views and we have ours.. right or wrong.

Debatin the earth is flat does not make it flat, right or wrong lol

But it is flat, just curved also. In very much the same way as space itself is both straight and curved as the same time. It's all a matter of dimension and perspective.

I'm wondering whether I should go into theories of curved space and start talking about ants on balls and their flat perspective of what is in fact curved ball but, as this is meant to be a light hearted thread, I'll save it for another day.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How you managed to conflate the two ideas of ressurection, and germination is beyond me.

Resurrection is bringing someone back to life who is dead.

Germination is the growing of a plant from a seed, usually in combination of the correct temperature, amount of water and oxygen.

One is a scientific fact the other is straight out of a novel by Mary Shelley

Debate has to be good you have your views and we have ours.. right or wrong.

Debatin the earth is flat does not make it flat, right or wrong lol

But it is flat, just curved also. In very much the same way as space itself is both straight and curved as the same time. It's all a matter of dimension and perspective.

Can you walk off the edge of a ball?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

How you managed to conflate the two ideas of ressurection, and germination is beyond me.

Resurrection is bringing someone back to life who is dead.

Germination is the growing of a plant from a seed, usually in combination of the correct temperature, amount of water and oxygen.

One is a scientific fact the other is straight out of a novel by Mary Shelley

Debate has to be good you have your views and we have ours.. right or wrong.

Debatin the earth is flat does not make it flat, right or wrong lol

But it is flat, just curved also. In very much the same way as space itself is both straight and curved as the same time. It's all a matter of dimension and perspective.

Can you walk off the edge of a ball?

Or can we reach the edge of the universe, same question, different dimension and perspective

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By *haron_Marie_TVTV/TS over a year ago

Local

I don't care all I care about is I live the life I have been given ,life is to short pondering if it will go on after we die.The thing is it is an age old question and one we will never find the answer to Xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't care all I care about is I live the life I have been given ,life is to short pondering if it will go on after we die.The thing is it is an age old question and one we will never find the answer to Xx"

Have u ever thought that may be, just may be that this "too short life", this "one and only chance" is given to you for more than just living it? That age old question has considered as answered for billions of ppl and they are satisfied with the answer they have found. Others are too busy worshiping their own desires to think deeply and seriously about it all. The one big problem here is that there wd be no second chance, and regret will not help after life. I know it sounds negative, but when you give someone all the tools they need to do what they are meant to do. Then spend those means into wanking because it felt nice, then they have to face the concequences of loosing the real party lol.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How you managed to conflate the two ideas of ressurection, and germination is beyond me.

Resurrection is bringing someone back to life who is dead.

Germination is the growing of a plant from a seed, usually in combination of the correct temperature, amount of water and oxygen.

One is a scientific fact the other is straight out of a novel by Mary Shelley

Debate has to be good you have your views and we have ours.. right or wrong.

Debatin the earth is flat does not make it flat, right or wrong lol"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You don't KNOW they exist. You BELIEVE they do. Because you saw something. Once. That's tenuous to say the least.

There ARE other explanations. I'm not mocking, I just cannot see why a ghost is your only conclusion. The mind plays tricks, and the only person who cannot see that, is the person who it happened to. Has you are so Convinced that what you believe Is Right If someone asked you to stop over In one of the most haunted buildings In the uk for 6 months or more as a challenge on your own would You take It up Its alright talking on Here and expressing yourself But In reality It would be probabily be a different thing with excuse,s at the Forefront Thats the difference The first one being I don,t have to prove Myself to anyone...

I would jump at the chance. Why wouldn't I do it? What is there to be scared of? Keep my job open and pay me expenses and I will gladly go. "
I,ll get the cams set up you Might get yer own tv series ghost watching..

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By *ce WingerMan over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Is this thread still alive

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