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"Oh if its someones private home garden in the countryside then no. But all other countryside yes" So what's the difference??  | |||
"Should everyone have access to the countryside, even when it’s privately owned?" only for the purposes or dogging and out door sex | |||
" Oh if its someones private home garden in the countryside then no. But all other countryside yes So what's the difference?? "well if you just happened to live in the countryside would you like someone walking around your private garden? | |||
"Anyone trespasses private land gets killed. Tally ho Farquar..." there are no tresspass laws in Scotland | |||
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" Oh if its someones private home garden in the countryside then no. But all other countryside yes So what's the difference??
well if you just happened to live in the countryside would you like someone walking around your private garden?"I live in the countryside, no I don't want anyone walking round my garden or around my land that I've worked hard to buy either! It's just as private as my garden thank-you!  | |||
"Should everyone have access to the countryside, even when it’s privately owned?" There's some called "Foot and Mouth"...trampling over fields and spreading it gr8 idea?!? Just wonder where people get ideas from - there are reasons, why farmers don't want you trampling over their fields.. would you like people walking through your frontroom?  Helen | |||
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""the toffs" good lord. if it's their land, of course they can. Would you welcome someone in your backyard?" How did they come about this land? | |||
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"Two fold, the planners or government that there is adequate access to open land for all but people should not be allowed to roam freely over someone else's land, there are designated "walkways" or whatever they are called and they should be preserved perhaps even expanded. And as said by someone else, respect for the land and the owners should be given by everyone. But here is another question, what about the hunts that appear to think they have the right to follow where ever the fox goes ? Not a question about support or against fox hunting but what it says, should the hunters be allowed access to all roads, farmland, open public areas without restriction when chasing the prey ?" They shouldn't have to now fix hunting is banned and the following of the lure is over permitted land. | |||
"Two fold, the planners or government that there is adequate access to open land for all but people should not be allowed to roam freely over someone else's land, there are designated "walkways" or whatever they are called and they should be preserved perhaps even expanded. And as said by someone else, respect for the land and the owners should be given by everyone. But here is another question, what about the hunts that appear to think they have the right to follow where ever the fox goes ? Not a question about support or against fox hunting but what it says, should the hunters be allowed access to all roads, farmland, open public areas without restriction when chasing the prey ?" They do not have the right to access private land without the owners permission the same as every other person. They can and have been fined for damage caused by trespass. | |||
"Should everyone have access to the countryside, even when it’s privately owned? only for the purposes or dogging and out door sex "had my first and very farcical meet for outdoor sex today probably not good doing it with a copper - very nervous of evey sound lol | |||
""the toffs" good lord. if it's their land, of course they can. Would you welcome someone in your backyard? How did they come about this land? " I have to assume that's a farcical question. | |||
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"Two fold, the planners or government that there is adequate access to open land for all but people should not be allowed to roam freely over someone else's land, there are designated "walkways" or whatever they are called and they should be preserved perhaps even expanded. And as said by someone else, respect for the land and the owners should be given by everyone. But here is another question, what about the hunts that appear to think they have the right to follow where ever the fox goes ? Not a question about support or against fox hunting but what it says, should the hunters be allowed access to all roads, farmland, open public areas without restriction when chasing the prey ? They shouldn't have to now fix hunting is banned and the following of the lure is over permitted land." Think you will find that only hunting with 3 or more dogs is banned. So of you take your 3 dogs for a walk and they all Chase a rabbit you are as.guilty as the hunt!! Thank-you Labour I'm now a criminal! | |||
"Eve I am having a vision of the both of you looking like meerkats in the wild !!! "it was hilarious!! wore completley inappropriate shoes, went on a 5 mile hike to find a spot, fell over  , set out the blankets etc then just as it was getting good a twig went crack and it was no go lol
trekked back to the car and have agreed to try again in a bed | |||
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""the toffs" good lord. if it's their land, of course they can. Would you welcome someone in your backyard? How did they come about this land? I have to assume that's a farcical question. "You 'have to assume', please, do me no favours, explain why you think it's a 'farcical question'. As I've said in an earlier post, land ownership in this country has a murky past. The rights to many a great tract of land was granted to 'the squires' in the days pre-dating mechanised transport, moreover, those rights were often granted under duress. Right to use these lands was often granted under covenant, ensconced in that covenant was the 'public right of way', necessary in those days if the parish was going to be able to effectively function, tradesman carrying out their lawful business relied on public rights of way to be able to get to their place of work/trade in a reasonable time. In this day and age, people or, more commmonly, businesses, purchase said tract of land in the full knowledge of the existence of footways, bridleways and easements that have been there since the land was parceled. These rights of way are just as important now so people can enjoy and experience the countryside which, when all is said and done, is ours. The rich landowners do tend to try and curtail these rights, if we allow them to simply on the principle of 'ownership'(whatever that may mean), it is to our detriment. Someone has described these rights as 'Marxist', actually, it is the complete opposite, it is honouring the original contract, capitalism, I would tender. Farcical? Please, elucidate...... | |||
i suppose living in the country its different for me xx | |||
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"Well living and spending most of my time in the civilised part of the UK mainland, I regularly take advantage of our 'right to roam' legislation. Most of Scotland is open to responsible access and I've long enjoyed tramping over the countryside, both field and moor. Over the past year or so, I've also discovered the delights of outdoor fun and there's something special about lying out in the great outdoors, with a lady beside me, doing what comes naturally!! "to mznwty : are you sure it was cow shit you fell in? | |||
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" i'm not laughing, really. "i laughed too!! it was funny! wasnt when i got home and had to hose down out in the garden and heave clothes and shoes in bucket!! x | |||
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"Most of the large hereditary landowners don't mind so long as you do no damage and act responsibly during lambing, shooting etc seasons. It's mostly the new money arseholes who get uppity about right of access. An aside. A report on the National Trust for Scotland released today confirms they don't even keep a single register of what buildings, land, islands etc they actually own. Another aside. Why do communists use tea bags? Because proper tea is theft "i think 'acting responsibily' is possibly the greatest issue....one post in mind is the person who says he enjoys his outdoor fun, if you were a private land owner, would you want strangers using your land for this? also, does anyone know where the issue of liability lies if someone endures an injury whilst roaming on private land? is the owner expected to insure their land for tresspassers or does the trespasser have to accept a no-claim scenario? could the land-owner be sued if it was discovered that they hadnt taken reasonable steps to ensure that their land was safe for trespassers to use? | |||
"Agree with a right to roam....since they banned fox hunting there is so little sport out there.....ramblers cant run quite as fast...but heyho "This made me giggle Though anyone thinking that Hunting has stopped is living in cloud cuckoo land lol ... still alive and well and "accidentally" killing them pesky foxes! | |||
" also, does anyone know where the issue of liability lies if someone endures an injury whilst roaming on private land? is the owner expected to insure their land for tresspassers or does the trespasser have to accept a no-claim scenario? could the land-owner be sued if it was discovered that they hadnt taken reasonable steps to ensure that their land was safe for trespassers to use?" I currently lease land and a lake for recreational use, so although i'm not the freeholder, i am the leaseholder. There's a clause in said lease, dont know the exact wording without getting eyestrain but something along the lines that as the leaseholder i must accept full responsibility or any legal action taken in respect of the aforementioned site... as the site is run for recreational purposes, if someone did trespass and drown for example, i would be held liable for this, and whilst unlikely could end up facing at manslaughter charges. It makes no difference whether it is a paying member, or an out of hours trespasser - the incident still occured on land i am responsible for... Would still argue with any judge that it was the silly feckers fault for trespassing in the first place but doubt it'd get me far at all | |||
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" I currently lease land and a lake for recreational use, so although i'm not the freeholder, i am the leaseholder. There's a clause in said lease, dont know the exact wording without getting eyestrain but something along the lines that as the leaseholder i must accept full responsibility or any legal action taken in respect of the aforementioned site... as the site is run for recreational purposes, if someone did trespass and drown for example, i would be held liable for this, and whilst unlikely could end up facing at manslaughter charges. It makes no difference whether it is a paying member, or an out of hours trespasser - the incident still occured on land i am responsible for... Would still argue with any judge that it was the silly feckers fault for trespassing in the first place but doubt it'd get me far at all "I used ot have a swimming pool in the back garden of the house I had with my ex-wife and we regularly had kids climbing over the wall in the summer hols to swim in the pool. We had to get the police out one summer as the same group did it 5 times in one day and just refused to accept that they weren't allowed. The policeman had a look round and informed us that as we didn't have a sign saying 'Enter at your own risk' we could be liable to prosecution if one of the little shits drowned. The law is an ass sometimes but needless to say, a sign went up pronto. | |||
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"............. also, does anyone know where the issue of liability lies if someone endures an injury whilst roaming on private land? is the owner expected to insure their land for tresspassers or does the trespasser have to accept a no-claim scenario? could the land-owner be sued if it was discovered that they hadnt taken reasonable steps to ensure that their land was safe for trespassers to use?" I'm not sure about the pejorative use of 'trespasser' but I'd like to think the same principle would apply to someone breaking into your house through the bathroom window. If they slip on the soap and break their neck is it the homeowners fault? | |||
"............ What chance this Govt will consider a Scottish-style Access Bill? "Tory bastards voting to allow the hoi polloi to get close to their baronial estates? Doesn't seem likely. | |||
"............ What chance this Govt will consider a Scottish-style Access Bill?
Tory bastards voting to allow the hoi polloi to get close to their baronial estates? Doesn't seem likely."Let's make all places publicly available to whoever wants to roam there eh? Have all the chavs trampling everywhere leaving their empty cans of fookin Irn Bru everywhere. Keep the riff raff on their council estates where they belong, let them trash their own homes, not ours. | |||
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"well i trample through our local farmers field everyday and he doesnt bother? he says the day i fell and landed in cow shit was priceless!
i suppose living in the country its different for me xx" | |||
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"Should everyone have access to the countryside, even when it’s privately owned?" We live in the countryside...and use everyones land )) What you'll probably find is, their land is soooooooooooooooo big, that they dont have time to come check it everyday :D
Rebels rule!! I have a very friendly smile that gets me out of all sorts
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"If its a farmers field or a wood where you can't do much damage I dont see why we cant have a little ramble as long as we don't do any harm "Can't do much damage! Just typical, farmers don't just have fields to look at you know! Ignorance is bliss, every field is used to grow something weather its a crop to feed humans or animals, so please respect the farmers crops stick to the footpath. Also pick up your dogs mess as this can cause cattle and sheep to die if it gets into into there feed. | |||
"If its a farmers field or a wood where you can't do much damage I dont see why we cant have a little ramble as long as we don't do any harm
Can't do much damage! Just typical, farmers don't just have fields to look at you know!
Ignorance is bliss, every field is used to grow something weather its a crop to feed humans or animals, so please respect the farmers crops stick to the footpath. Also pick up your dogs mess as this can cause cattle and sheep to die if it gets into into there feed. "Not quite every field as some are left fallow and some is only fit for sheep grazing it depends which part of the country your in. I thin ignorance is bliss is a bit strong. I still think we should have some rights to roam and i am not sure if we can or should actually have ownership of land to the extent others are permanently excluded. | |||
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