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Following on from the hardest footballers - who are your hardest rugby players.
For me - Martin Johnson
Had the pleasure of working for the England rugby team in the 90's
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Glad u posted that! U guna get loads of replies! Mine is a u old player, sorry he is welsh! But by the way thats not why i picked him! Its jpr williams!! Theres guna be awesome players mentioned here i know it! |
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"Glad u posted that! U guna get loads of replies! Mine is a u old player, sorry he is welsh! But by the way thats not why i picked him! Its jpr williams!! Theres guna be awesome players mentioned here i know it!"
Croeso I used to live in Y Drenewydd |
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"Me! I was a right little sod
Lol I would be scared of being tackled by you
Should be.. I played dirty
Lol thanks for looking I would have sent you a Face Pic but I am too old lol "
Im just nosey!! Want me to throw ya zimmer frame over? |
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"Me! I was a right little sod
Lol I would be scared of being tackled by you
Should be.. I played dirty
Lol thanks for looking I would have sent you a Face Pic but I am too old lol
Im just nosey!! Want me to throw ya zimmer frame over?"
Oi cheeky aint that old |
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"Glad u posted that! U guna get loads of replies! Mine is a u old player, sorry he is welsh! But by the way thats not why i picked him! Its jpr williams!! Theres guna be awesome players mentioned here i know it!"
Why on earth are you saying sorry that he's Welsh for??  |
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Not really a rugby fan (played a little schoolboy rugby but never really got into the sport), so don't know names, but I would have thought that the hardest rugby players would not come from the Union game but would be League players. In my opinion a much more physically tough game.
Will be interesting to see if any agree with me. |
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"Ellery Hanley was a tough nut and a highly skillful and quick man in his time. "
Wasn't he a criminal and served time at some point? Before continuing, and being allowed to continue, his career?
Can remember one time being in the crowd up at Odsal when a particularly vociferous supporter took offence to something he did and shouted "You should be bloody well hung."
At which point a female fan chirped up with "He is. oh my, he so is". |
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Vince Karelius (sp?) is a name that comes to mind. "
The wild man of the pampus, best headline ever, Vince karelius stepped of the boat and Australia shuck,
I will say Jonathan Davies he was a tough little nut, |
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I'm always impressed by the little guys who go head to head with the Giants of the game.
Matt Dawson and Johny Wilkinson both come to mind. Two players with a massive work rate, who could take a battering and get back up for the next one. |
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"From the bigger guys, probably one of the most intimidating forwards of the modern era would have to be that big hair French number 8 Sebastien Chabal.... brutal."
Have a photo of me with Msr Chabal after Sale won the 2nd string Euro Cup against Pau.
His hand is on my left shoulder, his thumb next to my neck & his little finger near my elbow..
..which is why he was an international class No8 & I wasn't! |
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O'driscoll, Richie mccaw and fair play to the allegedly too small to play guys...Shane Williams and halfpenny...They put everything into it.
Depends how you define being hard. |
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micky skinner was part of a very hard era, along with stuart barnes and a few others,
when martin Johnson was interviewed about hard men in the sport and fighting on the pitch, he commented that the hardest man he ever encountered was simon bunting who spent years at Rotherham |
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"Dean Ryan  "
Yes, had the pleasure of watching him play for Newcastle quite a few times.... Very tough, ex forces. Good coach too - don't think you'd ever want to be on the wrong side of him! |
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"Not really a rugby fan (played a little schoolboy rugby but never really got into the sport), so don't know names, but I would have thought that the hardest rugby players would not come from the Union game but would be League players. In my opinion a much more physically tough game.
Will be interesting to see if any agree with me. "
I appreciate your point but the league players wear body armour now, not very hard! |
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Modern players I'd say Richie McCaw, incredible player. I remember watching dalaglio against Wales score a try with 3 players hanging off him! I'll agree with previous posters about the half backs though |
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Someone has already mentioned Wade Dooley who would be high on my list, but living for years in the Blackpool area I used to occasionally bump into Bill Beaumont (not literally of course)
Lovely bloke but I certainly wouldn't have liked to have got on the wrong side of him. |
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That accolade must go to Wayne Shelford of new Zealand, in a game against France in the 80s, he had his scrotum ripped open in a ruck, with one nut literally hanging out, he went over to the bench, had it stitched back up and carried on playing (OUCH)
Willie John McBrides team that toured South Africa in 1974 must also come into the reckoning for being hard, from what I've seen and read, there was no quarter given from both sides.
Bobby Windsor, the great Welsh hooker who was part of that tour, was once quoted as saying " Rugby was a good game, until they let the puffs start playing"
Anyone who plays rugby has my admiration, you have to be either hard or nuts to play it, that's why I was only a mamby pamby footballer  |
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Any front row forward ! Always hard as nails ! Never good looking or given the respect that comes with doing the nasty work in the game !
Mike Teague of Gloucester was a guy who played flanker who never looked big ? In person was a big guy ! One I wouldn't like to be tackled by ! |
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jpr williams .... he had his face stamped on repeatedly untill it ripped open by john ashworth when the all cheats played bridgend in '78 .... jpr didn't even flinch. they tried to get him to leave the pitch but he was more concerned about organising the forwards and back line for the next phase of play ..... the most blood i've ever seen in a match
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Depends on the definition of 'hard'..plenty of players have carried on playing with significant injuries...does it mean dirty, but able to take it as well...pro players are much bigger today, but mostly gym muscle...would they be as hard as players back in the day when many had hard physical jobs, miners, steel workers, farmers. Or mentally 'hard' the ability to make good decisions, staying focussed when needed.. lots of so called hardmen crumble when out of their comfort zone. |
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"Any front row forward ! Always hard as nails ! Never good looking or given the respect that comes with doing the nasty work in the game !
Mike Teague of Gloucester was a guy who played flanker who never looked big ? In person was a big guy ! One I wouldn't like to be tackled by !"
Iron Mike, an absolute legend, World Cup almost destroyed him.
Wade Dooley is up there as are skinner and Moore.
Jim fallon of Leeds, peacock, burgess, Andy Gregory, Sean Edwards, list is endless really |
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"Not really a rugby fan (played a little schoolboy rugby but never really got into the sport), so don't know names, but I would have thought that the hardest rugby players would not come from the Union game but would be League players. In my opinion a much more physically tough game.
Will be interesting to see if any agree with me.
I appreciate your point but the league players wear body armour now, not very hard!"
Didn't know that league players now wear body armour. As you say that makes all the difference. |
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"Not really a rugby fan (played a little schoolboy rugby but never really got into the sport), so don't know names, but I would have thought that the hardest rugby players would not come from the Union game but would be League players. In my opinion a much more physically tough game.
Will be interesting to see if any agree with me.
I appreciate your point but the league players wear body armour now, not very hard!
Didn't know that league players now wear body armour. As you say that makes all the difference."
League players have worn shoulderpads since before WW11..contemporary 'body armour' is worn by both union and league players..so are the players ' not very hard? |
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"Just to go back a couple of years.....the legend who is Fran Cotton......"Never Stay Down""
My dad played against Fran when they were both young & broke his nose.. Know who i get my playing dirty streak from |
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"Not really a rugby fan (played a little schoolboy rugby but never really got into the sport), so don't know names, but I would have thought that the hardest rugby players would not come from the Union game but would be League players. In my opinion a much more physically tough game.
Will be interesting to see if any agree with me.
I appreciate your point but the league players wear body armour now, not very hard!
Didn't know that league players now wear body armour. As you say that makes all the difference.
League players have worn shoulderpads since before WW11..contemporary 'body armour' is worn by both union and league players..so are the players ' not very hard?"
body armour spreads the force of a blow (giving or receiving) over a much larger compared to being hit without protection, therefore although modern players may be bigger and hit harder the blows will very lightly be less forceful than those given and received in the era prior to the introduction of said armour. To me that makes all the difference. |
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By *uslaffMan
over a year ago
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Jim mills
He(Roy Dickinson) only 19 when he was picked to prop against Jim Mills for the first time, when Jim was at his peak and a frightening sight for us in the stands let alone for those on the pitch.
Roy was taken aside by the Leeds coach Roy Francis and told that he wanted to see some aggression and that the only answer to Jim Mills was to hit him hard in the first tackle to get his respect, he was assured that after that he'd have an easy time, you nust had to hit Jim hard enough for him to know that you meant business, thats all.
Roy says that three minutes into the game a scrum was called and as he took his place in the front row he saw Francis signalling to him with his fist, mouthing the words "hit him Roy". As they packed down Roy was just about to swing an uppercut from his knees when he was hit with something and woke up with the trainer wafting smelling salts under his nose and was told to "get after him Roy, he's making a fool out of you"
The next scrum came up and once again Roy got the instruction from the bench to hit Mills first, they packed down again and smack, Roy got another one on the chin, woke up again with the trainer telling him that Francis had said that if he didn't hit Mills the next time then he'd be substituted.
At the third scrum Roy managed a half hearted punch which missed Mills by miles and as the scrum broke up Mills had Roy in a headlock using his face as a punchbag.
He stopped to tell Roy to pack in the rough stuff and get on with the game, to which Roy, on his knees and bleeding from every pore on his face replied "alright Jim, if you've had enough we call it quits". |
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"Not really a rugby fan (played a little schoolboy rugby but never really got into the sport), so don't know names, but I would have thought that the hardest rugby players would not come from the Union game but would be League players. In my opinion a much more physically tough game.
Will be interesting to see if any agree with me.
I appreciate your point but the league players wear body armour now, not very hard!
Didn't know that league players now wear body armour. As you say that makes all the difference.
League players have worn shoulderpads since before WW11..contemporary 'body armour' is worn by both union and league players..so are the players ' not very hard?
body armour spreads the force of a blow (giving or receiving) over a much larger compared to being hit without protection, therefore although modern players may be bigger and hit harder the blows will very lightly be less forceful than those given and received in the era prior to the introduction of said armour. To me that makes all the difference. "
I know about modern body armour thanks, as I previously mentioned league players wore shoulder pads back in the day primarily to protect them from the tip tackle which was legal. Until the coming of the professional era shoulder pads were banned in the Union game unless accompanied by a doctor's certificate, and even then was up to the individual referee. Tackling in League historically was invariably more offensive in nature than that of Union, now of course, apart from certain technical variations, this is not the case.
Both codes now wear armour.
It is the accumulation of big hits that is the difference. Where as back in the day there were individual big collisions highlighted in a game, now they are continuous. The game is far more attritional today as confirmed by the injury count.
There were guys playing in the back row for the Lions South Africa tour in 1954 who were weighing in at 12/13 stones. Compare that with 17/18 stone coming at you at pace intending to run all over you.
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Big Sam Burgess broke his cheekbone in the first 20 minutes of the grand final, and still played on the whole game and got the Churchill medal for man of the match, |
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"Scott Gibbs."
was in school with this hardman rugby player .... he was a cock .... he was a fine rugby player but an utter bellend none the less .... if anyone thinks that there is no such thing as a rugby hooligan off the pitch
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Rugby League uses a weird metric in determining that it is the hardest sport.
They appear pleased that their players suffer the most downtime through injury, some 27% of potential playing time.
Odd balls some people have. |
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By *xpresMan
over a year ago
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"Agree with Brian Moore. Little bulldog him. Great for England
Also jonah lomu. Size strength speed an all round joy to watch in the 90s "
What a load of bollox Moore is as hard as a week old kitten all gob no substance and a total wanker too met him a few times he came from Halifax knew him years ago |
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"Agree with Brian Moore. Little bulldog him. Great for England
Also jonah lomu. Size strength speed an all round joy to watch in the 90s
What a load of bollox Moore is as hard as a week old kitten all gob no substance and a total wanker too met him a few times he came from Halifax knew him years ago"
wow, calm down!! its a thread for anyone to comment on, the few times he coached at Yorkshire schoolboys level he came across fine to us and helped out loads |
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"Ieuan Evans and Shane Williams."
Ieuan Evans and Shane scored all those tries because they were scare of being tackled! Wouldn't say they were hard but brilliant finishers  |
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For me JPR Williams never took a backward step and when playing for Bridgend against the All blacks they Sharpened they're studs on his head resulting in a few dozen stitches! he came back on to run at them again. |
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By *abioMan
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"That accolade must go to Wayne Shelford of new Zealand, in a game against France in the 80s, he had his scrotum ripped open in a ruck, with one nut literally hanging out, he went over to the bench, had it stitched back up and carried on playing (OUCH)
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I was waiting on this answer... as it is the correct one.... in the same game after the "goolies" incident.... he then when on to get concussion in the middle of a fight later on..... stayed on....doesn't remember any of the game.... |
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By *abioMan
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"Big Sam Burgess broke his cheekbone in the first 20 minutes of the grand final, and still played on the whole game and got the Churchill medal for man of the match, "
actually thats a typo.... broke his cheekbone in the first 2 minutes of that game |
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"Kurt Sorenson "
Good shout...
David Hulme was a tough nut for his size, Andy Gregory
In the last 25 years Leigh had a player Tim Street - all other fans disliked him and Leigh fans loved him.. He was sent off 12 times in his career. |
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"For me JPR Williams never took a backward step and when playing for Bridgend against the All blacks they Sharpened they're studs on his head resulting in a few dozen stitches! he came back on to run at them again."
actually he was taken off and sent to bridgend general hospital to have his face stitched up ..... the incident happened right in front of me .... i mention what happened earlier in the thread |
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By *uslaffMan
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"Kurt Sorenson Good shout...
David Hulme was a tough nut for his size, Andy Gregory
In the last 25 years Leigh had a player Tim Street - all other fans disliked him and Leigh fans loved him.. He was sent off 12 times in his career."
I grew up with streety,lived over the road from each other . I could write a book about our scrapes,an absolute maniac at 9 years old. He was a hooker as a till he went to Wigan, I played second row,every other scrum,during a game would erupt, everyone would be at it and all you could hear was Streety laughing
A monster. |
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Gordon Tallis, hard on the pitch. What a guy off it. Got a bollocking off the coach for not coming into the Reebok stadium after the team got off the bus coz he was signing autographs and posing for pics with kids ahead of WCC against St Helens. Adam Fogarty and Sonny Nickle up there too |
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"Brian williams "rip" kevin phillips john davies
neath front row 80's into 90's"
Brian Williams one of the true characters of the game ! Taken from this earth far to early |
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Im in total agreement with u! And never forget the wru wankers for not giving him the minute silence he deserved b4 an international! Yet not metioning no names, they always do and name things and have 'special days!' 4 one lost player! Fucking hypocrites u ask me! |
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