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I liked what Gilly190said:
George Gurdjieff in his book, Beelzebub's tales to his grandson, call human beings 3 brained animals.
The three brains being intelligence, physical and emotional.
If an one becomes Dominant it will be at the detriment of the others.
If you are highly centred in intelligence, often the person become physically weaker, or struggles with emotion.
If you're highly centred in emotional, just think when you fall in lust, all kind os shit happens, stop eating, start doing things that are totally off the scale...
Physical, you only have to look at one or two modern day footballers to see the detriment there.
Surely true intelligence as we are describing it, is keeping theses three centres in balance. |
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"I liked what Gilly190said:
George Gurdjieff in his book, Beelzebub's tales to his grandson, call human beings 3 brained animals.
The three brains being intelligence, physical and emotional.
If an one becomes Dominant it will be at the detriment of the others.
If you are highly centred in intelligence, often the person become physically weaker, or struggles with emotion.
If you're highly centred in emotional, just think when you fall in lust, all kind os shit happens, stop eating, start doing things that are totally off the scale...
Physical, you only have to look at one or two modern day footballers to see the detriment there.
Surely true intelligence as we are describing it, is keeping theses three centres in balance."
I liked that too and it makes total sense |
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I think it is good to have mix off people , people who u can learn from and people u can teach , people on same wave length often different groups can learn from each other ! That's my view |
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One thing to think about is that you're only here because your ancestors were intelligent enough to evade predators. And that's all the intelligence you need really. |
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"One thing to think about is that you're only here because your ancestors were intelligent enough to evade predators. And that's all the intelligence you need really."
Or work together realising the benefits of harmonious cooperation.
Or realising that the best form of evasion is to kill any potential threat before it gets the chance to kill you.
Intelligence can be a wonderful and dangerous thing. |
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"One thing to think about is that you're only here because your ancestors were intelligent enough to evade predators. And that's all the intelligence you need really.
Or work together realising the benefits of harmonious cooperation.
Or realising that the best form of evasion is to kill any potential threat before it gets the chance to kill you.
Intelligence can be a wonderful and dangerous thing."
I should have said 'wonderful OR dangerous thing' |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"One thing to think about is that you're only here because your ancestors were intelligent enough to evade predators. And that's all the intelligence you need really.
Or work together realising the benefits of harmonious cooperation.
Or realising that the best form of evasion is to kill any potential threat before it gets the chance to kill you.
Intelligence can be a wonderful and dangerous thing.
I should have said 'wonderful OR dangerous thing'"
No, I think your "and" is probably nearer the mark.
How we use our intelligence is what makes it potentially dangerous.
The post on thread 1 pointing out the celebration of the popular but less academic interested me as I think this is a what your original post alluded to. We are fed images of popularity that shun the academic. Big Bang Theory is interesting as we take it as read that the only socially popular character (Penny) is not academic. That she comes to love this strange bunch and aspires to learn more now is a narrative they have backed off from a bit.
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"One thing to think about is that you're only here because your ancestors were intelligent enough to evade predators. And that's all the intelligence you need really.
Or work together realising the benefits of harmonious cooperation.
Or realising that the best form of evasion is to kill any potential threat before it gets the chance to kill you.
Intelligence can be a wonderful and dangerous thing.
I should have said 'wonderful OR dangerous thing'
No, I think your "and" is probably nearer the mark.
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I changed it to OR as the AND implies that it is inherently both, when it's actually a matter of how a person chooses to use their intelligence. |
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"One thing to think about is that you're only here because your ancestors were intelligent enough to evade predators. And that's all the intelligence you need really.
Or work together realising the benefits of harmonious cooperation.
Or realising that the best form of evasion is to kill any potential threat before it gets the chance to kill you.
Intelligence can be a wonderful and dangerous thing."
Well whatever, you had to have the intelligence to work any of that out.
I don't think intelligence can ever be dangerous, lack of intelligence maybe. |
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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago
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"One thing to think about is that you're only here because your ancestors were intelligent enough to evade predators. And that's all the intelligence you need really.
Or work together realising the benefits of harmonious cooperation.
Or realising that the best form of evasion is to kill any potential threat before it gets the chance to kill you.
Intelligence can be a wonderful and dangerous thing.
I should have said 'wonderful OR dangerous thing'
No, I think your "and" is probably nearer the mark.
I changed it to OR as the AND implies that it is inherently both, when it's actually a matter of how a person chooses to use their intelligence."
Mmm like this.
I tend to look for the usage of the word "and", a brilliant connective that frees up the verb "to be".
People who are in a state of judgement i.e. this is that, this means that, tend to consolidate that judgement with "to be".
A simple start to freeing up your mind set can be in not using the word "is" initially in the written word and later in the spoken.
Well according to David Borland (Korzbyski) and E-prime.
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The post on thread 1 pointing out the celebration of the popular but less academic interested me as I think this is a what your original post alluded to. We are fed images of popularity that shun the academic. Big Bang Theory is interesting as we take it as read that the only socially popular character (Penny) is not academic. That she comes to love this strange bunch and aspires to learn more now is a narrative they have backed off from a bit.
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It makes sense though that people who are not as intelligent would have to form groups so they have more knowledge to hand, or just have enough force to to get rid of any perceived threat.
Probably is why most people only feel a need to become friends with people similar to us or to have children, because not only does this validate ourselves as individuals but also ensures that what we are survives, and that our fundamental way of life survives.
Yet Darwin said adaptability to your surroundings is the best way to survive, and i do think the world is changing to reflect this but only from a small amount of people. The majority is wrecking the planet ad adapting the surroundings to suit themselves, wrecking and shaming other people and messing with their heads, and i don't hold out much hope for survival of the human race on as a whole. |
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"Yet Darwin said adaptability to your surroundings is the best way to survive, and i do think the world is changing to reflect this but only from a small amount of people. The majority is wrecking the planet ad adapting the surroundings to suit themselves, wrecking and shaming other people and messing with their heads, and i don't hold out much hope for survival of the human race on as a whole."
The native Americans have a saying, I can't remember it word for word but it goes something like:
'Only when the last fish has been caught, the last tree felled and the last river poisoned will we realise that we cannot eat money'
I think its largely in our nature to seek to pad our own nests, to best ensure our own survival and that of those closest to us, but when that nature is to the large scale detriment of others, and you're regularly taking much more from the world than you either need or are willing to give back, then you've started upon a destructive path. Someone with true intelligence and a healthy grasp of altruism in both an ethical and logical sense knows that it is indeed best for yourself AND those around you to take only what you realistically need to be happy and comfortable in life, and no more. |
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The native Americans have a saying, I can't remember it word for word but it goes something like:
'Only when the last fish has been caught, the last tree felled and the last river poisoned will we realise that we cannot eat money'
I think its largely in our nature to seek to pad our own nests, to best ensure our own survival and that of those closest to us, but when that nature is to the large scale detriment of others, and you're regularly taking much more from the world than you either need or are willing to give back, then you've started upon a destructive path. Someone with true intelligence and a healthy grasp of altruism in both an ethical and logical sense knows that it is indeed best for yourself AND those around you to take only what you realistically need to be happy and comfortable in life, and no more."
Yeah i agree, bt it sort of makes sense to be selfish because once we don't exist then we perceive nothing and so nothing else exists anyway (i don't believe in an 'afterlife' where i will always exist in some form).
Trying my best to stay out of commercialism, we don't buy anything we don't need, not buying christmas presents as usual. Think that helps a bit but probably could do more? |
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Why would intelligence be intimidating? Someone would be surely insecure about something if they found that intimidating.
Everyone holds knowledge on different matters. That what makes a coversation interesting.
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The native Americans have a saying, I can't remember it word for word but it goes something like:
'Only when the last fish has been caught, the last tree felled and the last river poisoned will we realise that we cannot eat money'
I think its largely in our nature to seek to pad our own nests, to best ensure our own survival and that of those closest to us, but when that nature is to the large scale detriment of others, and you're regularly taking much more from the world than you either need or are willing to give back, then you've started upon a destructive path. Someone with true intelligence and a healthy grasp of altruism in both an ethical and logical sense knows that it is indeed best for yourself AND those around you to take only what you realistically need to be happy and comfortable in life, and no more.
Yeah i agree, bt it sort of makes sense to be selfish because once we don't exist then we perceive nothing and so nothing else exists anyway (i don't believe in an 'afterlife' where i will always exist in some form).
Trying my best to stay out of commercialism, we don't buy anything we don't need, not buying christmas presents as usual. Think that helps a bit but probably could do more? "
I'm not referring to things like buying Christmas presents, I'm referring to the sort of people who think that any one individual requires multiple mansions and palaces. |
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Yeah i agree, bt it sort of makes sense to be selfish because once we don't exist then we perceive nothing and so nothing else exists anyway (i don't believe in an 'afterlife' where i will always exist in some form).
Trying my best to stay out of commercialism, we don't buy anything we don't need, not buying christmas presents as usual. Think that helps a bit but probably could do more?
I'm not referring to things like buying Christmas presents, I'm referring to the sort of people who think that any one individual requires multiple mansions and palaces."
Oh ok. Well we stopped buying stuff anyway because we didn't need it, plus house is easier to keep tidy with less stuff in it. I guess it might seem pointless to do compared to the bigger stuff that is wreaking more havoc. |
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"I liked what Gilly190said:
George Gurdjieff in his book, Beelzebub's tales to his grandson, call human beings 3 brained animals.
The three brains being intelligence, physical and emotional.
If an one becomes Dominant it will be at the detriment of the others.
If you are highly centred in intelligence, often the person become physically weaker, or struggles with emotion.
If you're highly centred in emotional, just think when you fall in lust, all kind os shit happens, stop eating, start doing things that are totally off the scale...
Physical, you only have to look at one or two modern day footballers to see the detriment there.
Surely true intelligence as we are describing it, is keeping theses three centres in balance."
I'd suggest that spirituality, or wisdom if you'd prefer to call it that, is what keeps those things in balance. The scientific community doesn't seem to believe in such things. They seem to prefer to imagine that intelligence alone can act as our guardian. I think, however, that our spirituality is that essential fourth ingredient which we need in order to better balance our lives  |
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As for being selfish... there is nothing more self destructive than greed and nothing more self nourishing than altruism. This is why altruism is ultimately what everyone, who figures out what makes them feel good, eventually leans towards |
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"Yet Darwin said adaptability to your surroundings is the best way to survive, and i do think the world is changing to reflect this but only from a small amount of people. The majority is wrecking the planet ad adapting the surroundings to suit themselves, wrecking and shaming other people and messing with their heads, and i don't hold out much hope for survival of the human race on as a whole.
The native Americans have a saying, I can't remember it word for word but it goes something like:
'Only when the last fish has been caught, the last tree felled and the last river poisoned will we realise that we cannot eat money'
I think its largely in our nature to seek to pad our own nests, to best ensure our own survival and that of those closest to us, but when that nature is to the large scale detriment of others, and you're regularly taking much more from the world than you either need or are willing to give back, then you've started upon a destructive path. Someone with true intelligence and a healthy grasp of altruism in both an ethical and logical sense knows that it is indeed best for yourself AND those around you to take only what you realistically need to be happy and comfortable in life, and no more."
There is a healthy debate that suggests that altruism does not exist beyond a concept , at some point , the action of the individual is motivated by the want of the individual
For example
The lady who sacrifices herself instead of her child is not selfless . The person who gives up their time to talk and comfort a person in need for example an older lady , does not do the act selflessly or altruistically
That is not sayinG they are bad people or their actions are not good or worth while
What people need to be happy and want are vastly differant
To be happy all we need is the right psychological outlook and a certain degree of health with these two almost anything possible can be achieved xx |
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"I liked what Gilly190said:
George Gurdjieff in his book, Beelzebub's tales to his grandson, call human beings 3 brained animals.
The three brains being intelligence, physical and emotional.
If an one becomes Dominant it will be at the detriment of the others.
If you are highly centred in intelligence, often the person become physically weaker, or struggles with emotion.
If you're highly centred in emotional, just think when you fall in lust, all kind os shit happens, stop eating, start doing things that are totally off the scale...
Physical, you only have to look at one or two modern day footballers to see the detriment there.
Surely true intelligence as we are describing it, is keeping theses three centres in balance.
I'd suggest that spirituality, or wisdom if you'd prefer to call it that, is what keeps those things in balance. The scientific community doesn't seem to believe in such things. They seem to prefer to imagine that intelligence alone can act as our guardian. I think, however, that our spirituality is that essential fourth ingredient which we need in order to better balance our lives "
Define spirituality before I disagree with you x |
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"I liked what Gilly190said:
George Gurdjieff in his book, Beelzebub's tales to his grandson, call human beings 3 brained animals.
The three brains being intelligence, physical and emotional.
If an one becomes Dominant it will be at the detriment of the others.
If you are highly centred in intelligence, often the person become physically weaker, or struggles with emotion.
If you're highly centred in emotional, just think when you fall in lust, all kind os shit happens, stop eating, start doing things that are totally off the scale...
Physical, you only have to look at one or two modern day footballers to see the detriment there.
Surely true intelligence as we are describing it, is keeping theses three centres in balance.
I'd suggest that spirituality, or wisdom if you'd prefer to call it that, is what keeps those things in balance. The scientific community doesn't seem to believe in such things. They seem to prefer to imagine that intelligence alone can act as our guardian. I think, however, that our spirituality is that essential fourth ingredient which we need in order to better balance our lives
Define spirituality before I disagree with you x"
Oh and will you stop asserting your twisted and unrecognisable opinion of what you think science is and thinks as it's projecting a foul lie |
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I'd suggest that spirituality, or wisdom if you'd prefer to call it that, is what keeps those things in balance. The scientific community doesn't seem to believe in such things. They seem to prefer to imagine that intelligence alone can act as our guardian. I think, however, that our spirituality is that essential fourth ingredient which we need in order to better balance our lives "
It was a catholic priest that thought of the big bang theory, science and spirituality can go hand in hand. Although religion is often more vague about any stuff than science is, and the hippy stuff is more meta and goes into things that cannot be proved, it's all still science. |
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"It was a catholic priest that thought of the big bang theory, science and spirituality can go hand in hand. Although religion is often more vague about any stuff than science is, and the hippy stuff is more meta and goes into things that cannot be proved, it's all still science."
That's all I was referring to... just that the scientific community tends to be somewhat skeptical about the existence of the 'soul' and all that other 'meta' stuff you mentioned. It's hard to be 'spiritual' if you don't believe you have a spirit or a life force or a soul or anything along those lines. It always surprises me when people who don't believe in any of this stuff get defensive about their being spiritual too.. a case of cognitive dissonance I suspect...or perhaps there needs to be a new phrase coined for these people to use, something like 'compassionately alive' which suggests a softer gentler approach to living without resorting to promoting a faith in our having a spirit
Personally, I think everyone has the capacity to be spiritual, whether they believe in the spirit or not... but that's because I believe every living thing has a soul. That spirituality helps distance you slightly from your intellect, helps you look after your physical self, helps temper your emotions, and tune into your intuition. At least that's the way I see it 
btw I don't really see spirituality and religion as the same thing. Some people who profess to be religious are deeply messed up unspiritual people. I've been trying to think of the key differences but words are eluding me. The best I can say for now is that someone who is spiritual is happy living in a universe filled with mysteries, whilst someone who joins a religion tends to be looking for answers to it all |
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"It was a catholic priest that thought of the big bang theory, science and spirituality can go hand in hand. Although religion is often more vague about any stuff than science is, and the hippy stuff is more meta and goes into things that cannot be proved, it's all still science.
That's all I was referring to... just that the scientific community tends to be somewhat skeptical about the existence of the 'soul' and all that other 'meta' stuff you mentioned. It's hard to be 'spiritual' if you don't believe you have a spirit or a life force or a soul or anything along those lines. It always surprises me when people who don't believe in any of this stuff get defensive about their being spiritual too.. a case of cognitive dissonance I suspect...or perhaps there needs to be a new phrase coined for these people to use, something like 'compassionately alive' which suggests a softer gentler approach to living without resorting to promoting a faith in our having a spirit
Personally, I think everyone has the capacity to be spiritual, whether they believe in the spirit or not... but that's because I believe every living thing has a soul. That spirituality helps distance you slightly from your intellect, helps you look after your physical self, helps temper your emotions, and tune into your intuition. At least that's the way I see it
btw I don't really see spirituality and religion as the same thing. Some people who profess to be religious are deeply messed up unspiritual people. I've been trying to think of the key differences but words are eluding me. The best I can say for now is that someone who is spiritual is happy living in a universe filled with mysteries, whilst someone who joins a religion tends to be looking for answers to it all "
'Treasure the questions'? I disagree actually, seekers of truth are not confined to religion.
But I love the term 'cognitive dissonance'- its one of my favourite concepts!!
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"It was a catholic priest that thought of the big bang theory, science and spirituality can go hand in hand. Although religion is often more vague about any stuff than science is, and the hippy stuff is more meta and goes into things that cannot be proved, it's all still science.
That's all I was referring to... just that the scientific community tends to be somewhat skeptical about the existence of the 'soul' and all that other 'meta' stuff you mentioned. It's hard to be 'spiritual' if you don't believe you have a spirit or a life force or a soul or anything along those lines. It always surprises me when people who don't believe in any of this stuff get defensive about their being spiritual too.. a case of cognitive dissonance I suspect...or perhaps there needs to be a new phrase coined for these people to use, something like 'compassionately alive' which suggests a softer gentler approach to living without resorting to promoting a faith in our having a spirit
Personally, I think everyone has the capacity to be spiritual, whether they believe in the spirit or not... but that's because I believe every living thing has a soul. That spirituality helps distance you slightly from your intellect, helps you look after your physical self, helps temper your emotions, and tune into your intuition. At least that's the way I see it
btw I don't really see spirituality and religion as the same thing. Some people who profess to be religious are deeply messed up unspiritual people. I've been trying to think of the key differences but words are eluding me. The best I can say for now is that someone who is spiritual is happy living in a universe filled with mysteries, whilst someone who joins a religion tends to be looking for answers to it all
'Treasure the questions'? I disagree actually, seekers of truth are not confined to religion.
But I love the term 'cognitive dissonance'- its one of my favourite concepts!!
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Not only a catholic priest but a Belgian. If only anyone could remember his name (Lemaitre I think) he could be that thing that's rarer than hen's teeth: a famous Belgian. |
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Not only a catholic priest but a Belgian. If only anyone could remember his name (Lemaitre I think) he could be that thing that's rarer than hen's teeth: a famous Belgian."
Jean Claude Van Damme? Christoph Lambert? |
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"It was a catholic priest that thought of the big bang theory, science and spirituality can go hand in hand. Although religion is often more vague about any stuff than science is, and the hippy stuff is more meta and goes into things that cannot be proved, it's all still science.
That's all I was referring to... just that the scientific community tends to be somewhat skeptical about the existence of the 'soul' and all that other 'meta' stuff you mentioned. It's hard to be 'spiritual' if you don't believe you have a spirit or a life force or a soul or anything along those lines. It always surprises me when people who don't believe in any of this stuff get defensive about their being spiritual too.. a case of cognitive dissonance I suspect...or perhaps there needs to be a new phrase coined for these people to use, something like 'compassionately alive' which suggests a softer gentler approach to living without resorting to promoting a faith in our having a spirit
Personally, I think everyone has the capacity to be spiritual, whether they believe in the spirit or not... but that's because I believe every living thing has a soul. That spirituality helps distance you slightly from your intellect, helps you look after your physical self, helps temper your emotions, and tune into your intuition. At least that's the way I see it
btw I don't really see spirituality and religion as the same thing. Some people who profess to be religious are deeply messed up unspiritual people. I've been trying to think of the key differences but words are eluding me. The best I can say for now is that someone who is spiritual is happy living in a universe filled with mysteries, whilst someone who joins a religion tends to be looking for answers to it all "
Spirit and soul are human invented concepts .no evidence to suggest they exist or should exist
Think you may find many scientists are exceptionally happy living in a universe full of mystery and wish to understand more about it
Some people myself included may appear insulted at your persistent untruthful assertion that you are more open to the wonder of the universe because you believe in fairies x the emotions humans experience when experiencing nature are powerful the human brain will release a multitude of hormones x this sense of awe is called by some as spiritual
One does not need to believe the human invented nonsense to experience the unity
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"It was a catholic priest that thought of the big bang theory, science and spirituality can go hand in hand. Although religion is often more vague about any stuff than science is, and the hippy stuff is more meta and goes into things that cannot be proved, it's all still science.
That's all I was referring to... just that the scientific community tends to be somewhat skeptical about the existence of the 'soul' and all that other 'meta' stuff you mentioned. It's hard to be 'spiritual' if you don't believe you have a spirit or a life force or a soul or anything along those lines. It always surprises me when people who don't believe in any of this stuff get defensive about their being spiritual too.. a case of cognitive dissonance I suspect...or perhaps there needs to be a new phrase coined for these people to use, something like 'compassionately alive' which suggests a softer gentler approach to living without resorting to promoting a faith in our having a spirit
Personally, I think everyone has the capacity to be spiritual, whether they believe in the spirit or not... but that's because I believe every living thing has a soul. That spirituality helps distance you slightly from your intellect, helps you look after your physical self, helps temper your emotions, and tune into your intuition. At least that's the way I see it
btw I don't really see spirituality and religion as the same thing. Some people who profess to be religious are deeply messed up unspiritual people. I've been trying to think of the key differences but words are eluding me. The best I can say for now is that someone who is spiritual is happy living in a universe filled with mysteries, whilst someone who joins a religion tends to be looking for answers to it all
'Treasure the questions'? I disagree actually, seekers of truth are not confined to religion.
But I love the term 'cognitive dissonance'- its one of my favourite concepts!!
Not only a catholic priest but a Belgian. If only anyone could remember his name (Lemaitre I think) he could be that thing that's rarer than hen's teeth: a famous Belgian."
I couldn't remember his name but knew he had a wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre |
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That's all I was referring to... just that the scientific community tends to be somewhat skeptical about the existence of the 'soul' and all that other 'meta' stuff you mentioned. It's hard to be 'spiritual' if you don't believe you have a spirit or a life force or a soul or anything along those lines. It always surprises me when people who don't believe in any of this stuff get defensive about their being spiritual too.. a case of cognitive dissonance I suspect...or perhaps there needs to be a new phrase coined for these people to use, something like 'compassionately alive' which suggests a softer gentler approach to living without resorting to promoting a faith in our having a spirit
Personally, I think everyone has the capacity to be spiritual, whether they believe in the spirit or not... but that's because I believe every living thing has a soul. That spirituality helps distance you slightly from your intellect, helps you look after your physical self, helps temper your emotions, and tune into your intuition. At least that's the way I see it
btw I don't really see spirituality and religion as the same thing. Some people who profess to be religious are deeply messed up unspiritual people. I've been trying to think of the key differences but words are eluding me. The best I can say for now is that someone who is spiritual is happy living in a universe filled with mysteries, whilst someone who joins a religion tends to be looking for answers to it all "
Well, science has found out that our memories might not only be contained in our head, they might be in our DNA...imagine the implications for that!
I'm ignostic, so don't know what god is or a soul for that matter, and nobody can explain to me what it is, i just don't have the cognitive ability to understand what they're talking about. Not really bothered, doesn't matter to me and neither does not being spiritual, i can look at things a different way though in that animals have feelings and emotions and that they aren't inferior to humans in any way, is this similar to acknowledging they have a soul?
I don't understand cognitive dissonance, but if neither opinion has been proved then both conflicting ideas can exist (schrodingers cat).
And being spiritual can be replaced with having emotions, when it comes to holding back on what we should or shouldn't do scientifically. You could look up scientific ethics and see the criteria they have for it, it seems very fair how it is at the moment. |
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Not only a catholic priest but a Belgian. If only anyone could remember his name (Lemaitre I think) he could be that thing that's rarer than hen's teeth: a famous Belgian.
Jean Claude Van Damme? Christoph Lambert?"
Zut alors! Christoph Lambert was born in Long Island, USA? Georges Simenon would do . |
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"Well, science has found out that our memories might not only be contained in our head, they might be in our DNA...imagine the implications for that!"
Like being able to INJECT knowledge into someone, you could become a Phd in any given topic within a day, like downloading software onto a computer. |
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"Well, science has found out that our memories might not only be contained in our head, they might be in our DNA...imagine the implications for that!
Like being able to INJECT knowledge into someone, you could become a Phd in any given topic within a day, like downloading software onto a computer."
Possibly. They've already stored a book inside DNA, don't know how they did it but it's happened.
I was more thinking that it's possible that we have the memories of every single ancestor we've ever had. If they could ever find that information then human history would be able to be accessed, in real time. |
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"Spirit and soul are human invented concepts .no evidence to suggest they exist or should exist"
Therefore you cannot call yourself spiritual because that would imply you believe in the existence of something which you say doesn't exist.
"Think you may find many scientists are exceptionally happy living in a universe full of mystery and wish to understand more about it."
I don't think I said anything which could have led you to make this statement. It's quite right though, so thanks for saying it.
"Some people myself included may appear insulted at your persistent untruthful assertion that you are more open to the wonder of the universe because you believe in fairies x"
This is just trolling and insulting, presumably with a view to rile me into some emotional outburst. I think anyone reading my posts here will appreciate that I don't deserve this level of vitriol from you. Therefore it doesn't really deserve a response 
"the emotions humans experience when experiencing nature are powerful the human brain will release a multitude of hormones x this sense of awe is called by some as spiritual"
This is that cognitive dissonance again. Either the spirit does not exist and you're not spiritual or the spirit does exist and you are spiritual. If you're trying to argue that the spirit is basically human emotions under a different name, as you appear to be doing here, then perhaps a better word for it is that you are 'emotional'. If you insist on calling this state spiritual then be my guest. But you are essentially promoting a philosophy which is totally at odds with what you believe. If, for example, you tell someone you're spiritual... then they're gonna assume you believe in the existence of the spirit...which you don't.
"One does not need to believe the human invented nonsense to experience the unity"
Finally something we can agree on A very spiritual remark indeed, even if it does still carry some of your characteristic bitterness towards what you call 'nonsense' but which others might simply call 'human invented concepts' |
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When you mentioned science it took me back to Beelzebub's tales.
Beelzebub talks of how science was born. It was all to do with Greek, bored fishermen who were sheltering in a cave out of the way of a storm.
Bored, so they made up a game where one had to create an impossible situation and the others had to find a solution and they called this game science. |
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"Spirit and soul are human invented concepts .no evidence to suggest they exist or should exist
Therefore you cannot call yourself spiritual because that would imply you believe in the existence of something which you say doesn't exist.
Don't know who you've been talking to but I don't call myself spiritual for exactly that reason ?
Think you may find many scientists are exceptionally happy living in a universe full of mystery and wish to understand more about it.
I don't think I said anything which could have led you to make this statement. It's quite right though, so thanks for saying it.
I actually read what you write !
The best I can say for now is that someone who is spiritual is happy living in a universe filled with mysteries,
Erm lol so according to the above you say scientists are spiritual but no , no they are not allowed as they don't have speculative belief ?
Some people myself included may appear insulted at your persistent untruthful assertion that you are more open to the wonder of the universe because you believe in fairies x
This is just trolling and insulting, presumably with a view to rile me into some emotional outburst. I think anyone reading my posts here will appreciate that I don't deserve this level of vitriol from you. Therefore it doesn't really deserve a response
Apart from you said
scientific community tends to be somewhat skeptical about the existence of the 'soul' and all that other 'meta' stuff you mentioned. It's hard to be 'spiritual' if you don't believe you have a spirit or a life force or a soul or anything along those lines.
Anyone reading would be aware of your perpetual negative comments and assertions to how you project the thoughts and actions of scientists and that they or I cannot experience the depth of the universe without believing that humans have a specific definition of a soul or spirit . This is just untrue just because some people and yourself included want to add nonsensical imagination to the emotions and cognitive behaviour we experience so it appears you are trolling x
the emotions humans experience when experiencing nature are powerful the human brain will release a multitude of hormones x this sense of awe is called by some as spiritual
This is that cognitive dissonance again. Either the spirit does not exist and you're not spiritual or the spirit does exist and you are spiritual. If you're trying to argue that the spirit is basically human emotions under a different name, as you appear to be doing here, then perhaps a better word for it is that you are 'emotional'. If you insist on calling this state spiritual then be my guest. But you are essentially promoting a philosophy which is totally at odds with what you believe. If, for example, you tell someone you're spiritual... then they're gonna assume you believe in the existence of the spirit...which you don't.
Ok now to address your lies and trolling ie your misguided claims about cognitive dissonance
From wiki
In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time, or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values.[1][2]
No is the simple answer I do not feel that way
I experience the same as most humans the wide eyed wonder of the universe the thought process and emotions are deep . This factual Phenomenon has also been given the name spiritual which adds a layer of needless mystical human invented smoke
One does not need to believe the human invented nonsense to experience the unity
Finally something we can agree on A very spiritual remark indeed, even if it does still carry some of your characteristic bitterness towards what you call 'nonsense' but which others might simply call 'human invented concepts' "
Non sense
the concepts make no sense have no validation and are simply imaginative inventions of a fertile human mind
And it can't be spiritual you will have to find the right word
Perhaps empathic understanding of all that is x
But sorry brain think we hijacked your thread
I often find a persons knowledge or astute perceptions as intimidating
I also suggest that most agree intelligence is the culmination of a number of cognitive disciplines
Just as beauty is often a compound effect xx
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