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Boko Haram, who said last week that they would release the 219 schoolgirls they abducted have now said that all of them have married and converted to Islam.
Every single one.
Is the west doing enough? Do you think the response would be different if this was happening somewhere other than Nigeria?
219 forced marriages of 16 - 18 yr old girls. Which of course means that they are definitely being raped by there new 'husbands'. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Really tough one this. A lot of counter proliferation / anti terrorist work is perhaps going on but I suspect not enough.
OP, what are your thoughts on tackling it? |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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We don't handle the number of forced marriages happening here.
I didn't believe Boko Haram when they said they would release the young women and girls.
Women as sexual prizes, 'conversion' and ensuring they carry the next generation of the victors seed has been standard practice forever.
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"Really tough one this. A lot of counter proliferation / anti terrorist work is perhaps going on but I suspect not enough.
OP, what are your thoughts on tackling it? "
I think that the UN, NATO, the EU and other international bodies need to take a stronger stance on rape as a weapon of warfare. I think that the fact that we will intervene in the middle east with no qualms but are not prepared to act in Africa is disquieting and disheartening.
I think that 219 families are suffering heartbreak every day they wake up without their daughters safe in their own beds, and the heartbreak will be worse now they know for certain that those daughters will be suffering rape - sexual activity in a forced marriage is rape even if the girls submit out of fear. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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So what they've basically tried to do is justify rape and slavery through marriage.
Ain't religion great...
...I really wish there was an ironic/sarcasm smiley. |
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""The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".
Edmund Burke"
True, but have the good people of Nigeria done about it and should it become our problem because of their procrastination? |
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""The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".
Edmund Burke
True, but have the good people of Nigeria done about it and should it become our problem because of their procrastination?"
May I refer you to Pastor Niemoller:
"First they came for the Socialists.
And i did not speak out because I am not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists.
And I did not speak out because I am not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews.
And I did not speak out because I am not a Jew.
Then they came for me and there was no-one left to speak." |
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""The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".
Edmund Burke
True, but have the good people of Nigeria done about it and should it become our problem because of their procrastination?
May I refer you to Pastor Niemoller:
"First they came for the Socialists.
And i did not speak out because I am not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists.
And I did not speak out because I am not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews.
And I did not speak out because I am not a Jew.
Then they came for me and there was no-one left to speak.""
Not sure if a seeing via quotes will generate a debate, though I do see your points.
It's tough though, there are worse atrocities than this in the world too that get zero media attention, including in the UK. I'd be curious, as with many other forum posts - what are the people with online passion for these causes, doing in real life? |
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We all pick our battles and where to place our support. Rape and abuse of women as an act of war is abhorrent to me and is something I will always take a stand on.
So tell me which atrocities you feel strongly about? Too often nothing is said or done and these people continue until there is genocide and all of a sudden the world is appalled. |
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""The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".
Edmund Burke
True, but have the good people of Nigeria done about it and should it become our problem because of their procrastination?
May I refer you to Pastor Niemoller:
"First they came for the Socialists.
And i did not speak out because I am not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists.
And I did not speak out because I am not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews.
And I did not speak out because I am not a Jew.
Then they came for me and there was no-one left to speak."
Not sure if a seeing via quotes will generate a debate, though I do see your points.
It's tough though, there are worse atrocities than this in the world too that get zero media attention, including in the UK. I'd be curious, as with many other forum posts - what are the people with online passion for these causes, doing in real life? "
Then they sent for us, we kicked their butts and got dragged into a stupid war, where again, we were portrayed as a white Crusader imperial power, then bleated at by the same liberals who wanted us to do something in the first place.
Boko Haram are gangsters. Religion is a smoke screen. Nigeria is corrupt, ask an African - they will tell you.
We should help the Africans sort it with intelligence, logistics, not cash or men.
In fact, developing infrastructure across Africa and boosting economic development would boost everyone's lives. We'd have buyers for our goods, not just guns, and less illegal immigration.
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
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It's a difficult one as the question then becomes why didn't the West intervene in ................ (insert here). For example, why don't the West intervene to stop the attrocities in North Korea? Or intervene in Mexico with regards to the missing students there?
Personally I think Western governments should be putting more pressure on the Nigerian government to take appropriate action. This isn't some poor backward country that is incapable of dealing with this issue. According to a quick wiki check it's actually on course to be one of the top 20 economies in the world by 2020. Their lack of action is shameful. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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In fact, developing infrastructure across Africa and boosting economic development would boost everyone's lives. We'd have buyers for our goods, not just guns, and less illegal immigration.
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I couldn't agree with you more on this point.  |
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These atrocities have been happening for generations. How do you change a culture so they recognize that it is immoral?
Forced marriages have come to light with the last 10-15 years, in the U.K. Before this time, it wasn't news but it still went on.
Myself I have experienced something similar, and the pressure is enforced by parents. But at a young tender age, how can a child refuse they're patents, who will protect this child if the parent doesn't?
Cultures change in time, as a society we need to be vigilant and try to re-educate people on what is immortal and unethical.
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I personally feel that Islam will breed it's way into power in western society. 20-30-40 years from now we'll all be living in a completely different country.
It's my personal _iew, and one I have fought for to give me the entitlement to say.
I've no problem with any religion, or any ethnic background. Brought home on Thursday when people from literally every corner of the globe brought a Poppy. It again reaffirmed my pride in my country.
But once a country loses it's national identity, it will lose its culture and leave itself open. Open to what? Who knows? But maybe we might not have the same freedoms we enjoy now. Freedoms that I'd hope everyone agrees are worth fighting for to protect.
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"These atrocities have been happening for generations. How do you change a culture so they recognize that it is immoral?
Forced marriages have come to light with the last 10-15 years, in the U.K. Before this time, it wasn't news but it still went on.
Myself I have experienced something similar, and the pressure is enforced by parents. But at a young tender age, how can a child refuse they're patents, who will protect this child if the parent doesn't?
Cultures change in time, as a society we need to be vigilant and try to re-educate people on what is immortal and unethical.
H"
Change happens from the grassroots. Lecturing Africans from the comfort of the West, will always come across as colonial bullshit, even if the person doing the lecturing is black. We need to help Africans sort it themselves. |
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"These atrocities have been happening for generations. How do you change a culture so they recognize that it is immoral?
Forced marriages have come to light with the last 10-15 years, in the U.K. Before this time, it wasn't news but it still went on.
Myself I have experienced something similar, and the pressure is enforced by parents. But at a young tender age, how can a child refuse they're patents, who will protect this child if the parent doesn't?
Cultures change in time, as a society we need to be vigilant and try to re-educate people on what is immortal and unethical.
H
Change happens from the grassroots. Lecturing Africans from the comfort of the West, will always come across as colonial bullshit, even if the person doing the lecturing is black. We need to help Africans sort it themselves."
How would you proceed? Would you go to Africa and lecture them on how to live, give them lessons in morals and ethics without knowing anything about they're culture? I am not black btw. |
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"These atrocities have been happening for generations. How do you change a culture so they recognize that it is immoral?
Forced marriages have come to light with the last 10-15 years, in the U.K. Before this time, it wasn't news but it still went on.
Myself I have experienced something similar, and the pressure is enforced by parents. But at a young tender age, how can a child refuse they're patents, who will protect this child if the parent doesn't?
Cultures change in time, as a society we need to be vigilant and try to re-educate people on what is immortal and unethical.
H
Change happens from the grassroots. Lecturing Africans from the comfort of the West, will always come across as colonial bullshit, even if the person doing the lecturing is black. We need to help Africans sort it themselves.
How would you proceed? Would you go to Africa and lecture them on how to live, give them lessons in morals and ethics without knowing anything about they're culture? I am not black btw. "
No - you don't lecture them at all.
You just listen, don't meddle, ask Africans what they
need. Food, shelter, security mainly.
I don't actually know the answers, but there are plenty of decent, smart, organised Africans who might.
If we help them get decent infrastructure and have fair-trade, offer assistance to African Union peacekeepers, if they can get bread, butter and their own security then they will create an Africa run by Africans for Africans.
Don't just bomb the shit out of the Muslim ones either.
I don't have the answers, just questions... |
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I find myself humbled and lucky to live in a safe and law abiding country. My life and my freedom are safer than a lot of women/men/children in other parts of our world. Somehow, and as much as i would want to make it better for human kind, i do not have the power not the contacts nor the money to make a difference and honestly...not the energy to devote myself to it. So yes i will join the shadow army that in the comfort of their own private and safe homes will point a finger and ask 'why is this still happening?' 'Why isn't anyone doing something?'
It saddens me because i am helpless |
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Africa's biggest problems are not religion or guns or Ebola it's fucking big business that's tearing the place apart.
There 300 years behind us in terms of technology and infrastructure and that means their also 300 years behind us in values, have a look at our values 300 years ago we weren't that much different.
This last 30 years of rabid capitalist global expansion rips the heart out of all the third world countries for ever growing profit, sure it's giving them a job but it's slave jobs still, just enough to survive on.
Africa is huge and has massive resources it's kept a shit hole by those that wish to exploit it..... Which is the eu the us and the un. |
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""The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".
Edmund Burke
True, but have the good people of Nigeria done about it and should it become our problem because of their procrastination?
May I refer you to Pastor Niemoller:
"First they came for the Socialists.
And i did not speak out because I am not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists.
And I did not speak out because I am not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews.
And I did not speak out because I am not a Jew.
Then they came for me and there was no-one left to speak.""
First time I've heard this, but oh my, it says it all, and says it perfectly
Sarah x |
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"Africa's biggest problems are not religion or guns or Ebola it's fucking big business that's tearing the place apart.
There 300 years behind us in terms of technology and infrastructure and that means their also 300 years behind us in values, have a look at our values 300 years ago we weren't that much different.
This last 30 years of rabid capitalist global expansion rips the heart out of all the third world countries for ever growing profit, sure it's giving them a job but it's slave jobs still, just enough to survive on.
Africa is huge and has massive resources it's kept a shit hole by those that wish to exploit it..... Which is the eu the us and the un."
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By *ezebelWoman
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"Africa's biggest problems are not religion or guns or Ebola it's fucking big business that's tearing the place apart.
There 300 years behind us in terms of technology and infrastructure and that means their also 300 years behind us in values, have a look at our values 300 years ago we weren't that much different.
This last 30 years of rabid capitalist global expansion rips the heart out of all the third world countries for ever growing profit, sure it's giving them a job but it's slave jobs still, just enough to survive on.
Africa is huge and has massive resources it's kept a shit hole by those that wish to exploit it..... Which is the eu the us and the un."
That makes it sound like Africa is one country living in the Dark Ages which isnt true.
In Kenya I go shopping in the big shopping malls and drink lattes in Java Joes. Can drive for days in Ethiopia and Botswana and not hit a pothole on the road. I can sit using my laptop in internet cafes across Africa chatting on Fab all day if I want. Nigeria has a space programme. South Africa hardly lacks technology and instrastructure...
There are big businesses in many parts of Africa. What is different in most African countries is the size of the gap between rich and poor. |
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You go shopping in the big malls but there built for tourists, the roads you drive down free from pot holes are built by the Chinese to get from one mine to the next, Nigeria is making strides in economics because big companies are going there due to a lax criminal code and diddly shit health and safety (you can still make asbestos products there) or chuck 5000 gallons of chemical products in the nearest river.
By the time any of that wealth filters through there'll have stript all the resources and left it uninhabitable in the name of every cheaper products and ever bigger profits. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Africa's biggest problems are not religion or guns or Ebola it's fucking big business that's tearing the place apart.
There 300 years behind us in terms of technology and infrastructure and that means their also 300 years behind us in values, have a look at our values 300 years ago we weren't that much different.
This last 30 years of rabid capitalist global expansion rips the heart out of all the third world countries for ever growing profit, sure it's giving them a job but it's slave jobs still, just enough to survive on.
Africa is huge and has massive resources it's kept a shit hole by those that wish to exploit it..... Which is the eu the us and the un.
That makes it sound like Africa is one country living in the Dark Ages which isnt true.
In Kenya I go shopping in the big shopping malls and drink lattes in Java Joes. Can drive for days in Ethiopia and Botswana and not hit a pothole on the road. I can sit using my laptop in internet cafes across Africa chatting on Fab all day if I want. Nigeria has a space programme. South Africa hardly lacks technology and instrastructure...
There are big businesses in many parts of Africa. What is different in most African countries is the size of the gap between rich and poor."
Our politicians are striving to make that gap between rich and poor in the UK rival that in African countries. |
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That makes it sound like Africa is one country living in the Dark Ages which isnt true......
Go on Google earth at night and see how much in the dark they are! |
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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago
North of The Wall - youll need your vest |
"That makes it sound like Africa is one country living in the Dark Ages which isnt true......
Go on Google earth at night and see how much in the dark they are!"
I dont usually need to - I just look out of the window  |
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"Africa's biggest problems are not religion or guns or Ebola it's fucking big business that's tearing the place apart.
There 300 years behind us in terms of technology and infrastructure and that means their also 300 years behind us in values, have a look at our values 300 years ago we weren't that much different.
This last 30 years of rabid capitalist global expansion rips the heart out of all the third world countries for ever growing profit, sure it's giving them a job but it's slave jobs still, just enough to survive on.
Africa is huge and has massive resources it's kept a shit hole by those that wish to exploit it..... Which is the eu the us and the un."
...and China. No-one ever mentions China, but they are the biggest investor at the moment, free infrastructure in exchange for neverending loans, and employing Chinese workers instead of Africans... |
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