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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh no! You can't trust anyone these days! I hope the government helps them out. "
You want our government to help people who went out to support people that have been beheading aid workers?
I hope they don't help them. They made a choice to go |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"Oh no! You can't trust anyone these days! I hope the government helps them out. "
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I for one am aghast at the thought of our poor citizens who left to support Isis being put in a position of danger. I shall sit here and weep at their fate. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Oh no! You can't trust anyone these days! I hope the government helps them out. #
I for one am aghast at the thought of our poor citizens who left to support Isis being put in a position of danger. I shall sit here and weep at their fate."
Shall we share some kleenex? (other man size tissues are available) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We said this before. When shit hits the fan, they'd come to their senses. But, people been telling them for a long time not to go and what would be the repercussions. It's not all a bed of roses as they thought it was going to be.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Oh no! You can't trust anyone these days! I hope the government helps them out. #
I for one am aghast at the thought of our poor citizens who left to support Isis being put in a position of danger. I shall sit here and weep at their fate."
Sometimes the irony literally oozes from your whole being  |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"Oh no! You can't trust anyone these days! I hope the government helps them out. #
I for one am aghast at the thought of our poor citizens who left to support Isis being put in a position of danger. I shall sit here and weep at their fate.
Sometimes the irony literally oozes from your whole being "
Defamation! |
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"Oh no! You can't trust anyone these days! I hope the government helps them out. #
I for one am aghast at the thought of our poor citizens who left to support Isis being put in a position of danger. I shall sit here and weep at their fate.
Sometimes the irony literally oozes from your whole being
Defamation! "
Is that the irony equivalent of defacation? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Thought the majority ripped up their passports when they went over there? Also thought that they weren't allowed back and don't they only want to come back to fuck shit up? |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Oh no! You can't trust anyone these days! I hope the government helps them out. "
I think there are better things our government could spend money on. Like the people in need that didn't leave to fight, maim and murder as part of an extremist group. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Thought the majority ripped up their passports when they went over there? Also thought that they weren't allowed back and don't they only want to come back to fuck shit up?"
there Are bound to be more supporters over Here anyway they probabily have contacts Scattered over the globe which can turn Into cells quickly security force,s or Not, once a terrorist always one their Crazy Beliefs never change all part and Parcel of being a fanatic usually Motivated by religion or against Western beliefs or anyone else that Don,t believe In them.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Wonder why they want to come home "
I suspect that from your nice comfortable home in suburbia being a revolutionary seems far more appealing then when you are in a warzone seeing people next to you be killed.
And they are quite literally fucked, because from what I've read, as brutal as the beheadings are, there are far worse and prolonged death's at the hand of IS.
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They want to return .......fuck em.
I hope they suffer pain....they made a decision to hate ....so let them suffer.
My decision in life is to help others so i wont be in their situation.
You get what you deserve in the end in this life |
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I suspect that from your nice comfortable home in suburbia being a revolutionary seems far more appealing then when you are in a warzone seeing people next to you be killed.
And they are quite literally fucked, because from what I've read, as brutal as the beheadings are, there are far worse and prolonged death's at the hand of IS.
You make your bed, you lie in it"
Unless you are for ISIL you are, by default, against it and, therefore, a non-believer in their particular interpretation of the Quran.
That makes you a kafir (kuffar) and they are likely to kill you if you are male and rape and kill, or 'liberate' you if you are female.
ISIL takes a particularly dim _iew on desertion.
Passports are removed or destroyed when you 'enlist', and life expectancy of travel jihadists is generally low as they are used as vanguard troops.
Deciding that it's not for you is unlikely to get your Passport returned and absenting yourself is likely to result in a whole barrel of laughs when your erstwhile companions catch-up with you. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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They went out there presumably to overthrow the Syrian government, I don't really understand why but that was what western governments wanted at the time.
ISIS was a well organised force and they probably joined thinking they were overthrowing the government, but then the rules changed.
Unfortunately once in an army you follow the orders given desertion in war is still firing squad penalty in the UK army so no reason to think it would be any different in ISIS.
No matter how good the intentions were on leaving the UK they are now between a rock and a hard place with no way out, unless ISIS win or lose and peace returns. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Oh well life sucks for them but then didn't they expect there was a chance they would die ISIS are not simply terrorists, Muslim fundimentalists or extremists they are also a cult and cults are notoriously hard to leave. ISIS are so extrieme they even fight against other jihadists!
If it all wasn't so serious I would liken then to the religeous groups in the life of Brian. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh no! You can't trust anyone these days! I hope the government helps them out. "
Any loss of life is sad. Especially when done so through misguided beliefs.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Save the Home Office going to the trouble of cancelling their passports and citizenship.
Good fucking riddence I say...
Live by the sword, die by the sword. |
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"Oh no! You can't trust anyone these days! I hope the government helps them out. #
I for one am aghast at the thought of our poor citizens who left to support Isis being put in a position of danger. I shall sit here and weep at their fate.
Sometimes the irony literally oozes from your whole being
Defamation! "
Now we know why you wanted soft toilet paper rather than man sized tissues!
I think Imodium may help with too
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By *he tactile technicianMan
over a year ago
the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands |
"Wonder why they want to come home holiday season is over
No soft toilet paper. "
No toilet paper at all, a jug of water and your left hand, perhaps theyve been muddling up their right and left and it all tates of shit to them now |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh no! You can't trust anyone these days! I hope the government helps them out. "
Am I the only one who thinks it's sad?
That these misguided eejits are now gonna die because of the brainwashing they let happen...not something to hate on... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Oh no! You can't trust anyone these days! I hope the government helps them out. "
Defo was a one way street for them.. At least the future lot will learn something and do something good in their life |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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I think if they went to fight against Asad and have got caught up in the mess, I feel they should get back with very strict observation. If they went after the first beheading, then they knew what they were going to join in. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Oh no! You can't trust anyone these days! I hope the government helps them out.
Am I the only one who thinks it's sad?
That these misguided eejits are now gonna die because of the brainwashing they let happen...not something to hate on..."
I think it is sad that being young, stupid/misguided leads to death. Those from this country that went out to help Franco in the Spanish Civil War were able to come back.
The threat levels here are different, I understand that, but being young and malleable doesn't equate to being evil in my head. It does send a message back to those that are thinking of going. Unfortunately, I fear that one of the consequences will be to push the radicalised, daft youth, to concentrate on terror here rather than over there.
I find it sad that so many people are being killed for factional wars about ideology.
I feel for their poor families too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Oh no! You can't trust anyone these days! I hope the government helps them out.
Am I the only one who thinks it's sad?
That these misguided eejits are now gonna die because of the brainwashing they let happen...not something to hate on...
I think it is sad that being young, stupid/misguided leads to death. Those from this country that went out to help Franco in the Spanish Civil War were able to come back.
The threat levels here are different, I understand that, but being young and malleable doesn't equate to being evil in my head. It does send a message back to those that are thinking of going. Unfortunately, I fear that one of the consequences will be to push the radicalised, daft youth, to concentrate on terror here rather than over there.
I find it sad that so many people are being killed for factional wars about ideology.
I feel for their poor families too. "
I understand where you're coming from but. They knew right from wrong....
If we help them to return it should be straight to a trial with a possible life sentence. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Oh no! You can't trust anyone these days! I hope the government helps them out.
Am I the only one who thinks it's sad?
That these misguided eejits are now gonna die because of the brainwashing they let happen...not something to hate on...
I think it is sad that being young, stupid/misguided leads to death. Those from this country that went out to help Franco in the Spanish Civil War were able to come back.
The threat levels here are different, I understand that, but being young and malleable doesn't equate to being evil in my head. It does send a message back to those that are thinking of going. Unfortunately, I fear that one of the consequences will be to push the radicalised, daft youth, to concentrate on terror here rather than over there.
I find it sad that so many people are being killed for factional wars about ideology.
I feel for their poor families too.
I understand where you're coming from but. They knew right from wrong....
If we help them to return it should be straight to a trial with a possible life sentence."
I'm not saying there shouldn't be consequences but I think the question of right and wrong is a difficult one.
Some will have gone out when Cameron was pressing for us to support what has now morphed into ISIL. Some will have gone because their coolest (in their eyes) mate convinced them. And, yes, some will have gone with real hatred and anger in their hearts.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Oh no! You can't trust anyone these days! I hope the government helps them out.
Am I the only one who thinks it's sad?
That these misguided eejits are now gonna die because of the brainwashing they let happen...not something to hate on...
I think it is sad that being young, stupid/misguided leads to death. Those from this country that went out to help Franco in the Spanish Civil War were able to come back.
The threat levels here are different, I understand that, but being young and malleable doesn't equate to being evil in my head. It does send a message back to those that are thinking of going. Unfortunately, I fear that one of the consequences will be to push the radicalised, daft youth, to concentrate on terror here rather than over there.
I find it sad that so many people are being killed for factional wars about ideology.
I feel for their poor families too.
I understand where you're coming from but. They knew right from wrong....
If we help them to return it should be straight to a trial with a possible life sentence.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be consequences but I think the question of right and wrong is a difficult one.
Some will have gone out when Cameron was pressing for us to support what has now morphed into ISIL. Some will have gone because their coolest (in their eyes) mate convinced them. And, yes, some will have gone with real hatred and anger in their hearts.
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Hence the trial. Although personally I feel that the ones that went out there after the hostage beheadings started and indeed the piece of work that carried out the beheadings should be left to their fate. There's fighting for a cause and there's committing genocide and this conflict has morphed from one to another. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Thing is the knee jerk reaction is to let them stew.
But to fight against ISIS we need intelligence, nothing better than a disenchanted terrorist, especially if they don't co-operate you can throw them in jail.
Trouble is war is glamorous from far away, people do stupid things when they're young, our government doesn't negotiate with terrorists directly, but they do negotiate.
This is a one for the experts, if they want to come back, then they have to give us something. Jihad John for a start. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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I'm not saying there shouldn't be consequences but I think the question of right and wrong is a difficult one.
Some will have gone out when Cameron was pressing for us to support what has now morphed into ISIL. Some will have gone because their coolest (in their eyes) mate convinced them. And, yes, some will have gone with real hatred and anger in their hearts.
Hence the trial. Although personally I feel that the ones that went out there after the hostage beheadings started and indeed the piece of work that carried out the beheadings should be left to their fate. There's fighting for a cause and there's committing genocide and this conflict has morphed from one to another."
I do think those that went out after the beheadings started and were publicised should be treated differently but I would never wish death on anyone except myself. An eye for an eye just leads to more eyes being lost.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm not saying there shouldn't be consequences but I think the question of right and wrong is a difficult one.
Some will have gone out when Cameron was pressing for us to support what has now morphed into ISIL. Some will have gone because their coolest (in their eyes) mate convinced them. And, yes, some will have gone with real hatred and anger in their hearts.
Hence the trial. Although personally I feel that the ones that went out there after the hostage beheadings started and indeed the piece of work that carried out the beheadings should be left to their fate. There's fighting for a cause and there's committing genocide and this conflict has morphed from one to another.
I do think those that went out after the beheadings started and were publicised should be treated differently but I would never wish death on anyone except myself. An eye for an eye just leads to more eyes being lost.
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I didn't say death, I said fate... 
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There is a somewhat satisfying sense of 'completeness' insofar as those who went to kill those who don't believe may themselves be killed for not believing enough. Perhaps others may not be so hasty to judge others' beliefs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Simple solution. Castrate them, give them a mangina nip and tuck. Give them a boob job. Put a burkha on them. Ship them back, wait and see what happens... |
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"I don't think hatred has ever accomplished anything positive. "
I think Churchills hatred of Nazism accomplished something positive.
They are getting a taste of what they wished on others. It's Gaia balance in action  |
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"Some want to come home as they believe that the IS are too extreme "
So who better to spread the word and tell the truth about their evil activities to the youngsters who are being radicalised in this country ? What could be better than first hand experience to prevent more misguided kids leaving to get involved in jihadist activities ? |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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"Some want to come home as they believe that the IS are too extreme
So who better to spread the word and tell the truth about their evil activities to the youngsters who are being radicalised in this country ? What could be better than first hand experience to prevent more misguided kids leaving to get involved in jihadist activities ? "
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By (user no longer on site)
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Treason against who. They committed war crimes,not sure that's treason. For the past 3 years the west has been arming n funding the syrian opposition, who have transformed in to isil 6 mth ago. So when alot of these radacalised people went over to fight it was on our side.
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"I think it is sad that being young, stupid/misguided leads to death. Those from this country that went out to help Franco in the Spanish Civil War were able to come back."
I think it is sad that people have so little knowledge of 20th century history that they think that The International Brigade were on the same side as the NAZI Condor Squadrons and fought for Franco's Fascists.
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Ideally a perfect situation would be for them to return and spread the news that it aint Xbox360 territory and it aint glorious.
In reality......
Dead man walking......
They just might not truly realise it yet. SO sad. I feel sorry for the families and friends who could see beyond the brainwashing. Ive seen the results of such brainwashing and it isnt clean.
Not nice. Brutal. Life and death.
My thoughts are with the brave soldiers who have died fighting the bastards. They are the ones who truly deserve our thoughts. May they rest in peace. 11/11.
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"Oh no! You can't trust anyone these days! I hope the government helps them out.
You want our government to help people who went out to support people that have been beheading aid workers?
I hope they don't help them. They made a choice to go"
Thing this is in the sarcastic font |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Ideally a perfect situation would be for them to return and spread the news that it aint Xbox360 territory and it aint glorious.
In reality......
Dead man walking......
They just might not truly realise it yet. SO sad. I feel sorry for the families and friends who could see beyond the brainwashing. Ive seen the results of such brainwashing and it isnt clean.
Not nice. Brutal. Life and death.
My thoughts are with the brave soldiers who have died fighting the bastards. They are the ones who truly deserve our thoughts. May they rest in peace. 11/11.
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This is so true. Real war is brutal and modern weaponry devastates the human body. These young guys are facing horrors that they could never have imagined and for which 40 virgins are probably not worth enduring. Fuck em. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ideally a perfect situation would be for them to return and spread the news that it aint Xbox360 territory and it aint glorious.
In reality......
Dead man walking......
They just might not truly realise it yet. SO sad. I feel sorry for the families and friends who could see beyond the brainwashing. Ive seen the results of such brainwashing and it isnt clean.
Not nice. Brutal. Life and death.
My thoughts are with the brave soldiers who have died fighting the bastards. They are the ones who truly deserve our thoughts. May they rest in peace. 11/11.
This is so true. Real war is brutal and modern weaponry devastates the human body. These young guys are facing horrors that they could never have imagined and for which 40 virgins are probably not worth enduring. Fuck em."
Probably 40 male virgins lol |
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"We as a nation have been guilty of similar tactics, look at the amount of people who were shot for desertion in the first world war. Remember them. "
Unbelievable, you really compare the the scum that have gone off to join IS with kids fighting for their country during WW1? |
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"We as a nation have been guilty of similar tactics, look at the amount of people who were shot for desertion in the first world war. Remember them.
Unbelievable, you really compare the the scum that have gone off to join IS with kids fighting for their country during WW1?"
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Excuse me if I'm wrong, but I think the point was that our leaders too were capable of brutality. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"I think it is sad that being young, stupid/misguided leads to death. Those from this country that went out to help Franco in the Spanish Civil War were able to come back.
I think it is sad that people have so little knowledge of 20th century history that they think that The International Brigade were on the same side as the NAZI Condor Squadrons and fought for Franco's Fascists.
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Who mentioned the International Brigade?
You might want to brush up on your 20th century history yourself before getting so sad!
Britons fought on BOTH sides during the Spanish Civil War. Google is your friend!
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"I think if they went to fight against Asad and have got caught up in the mess, I feel they should get back with very strict observation. If they went after the first beheading, then they knew what they were going to join in."
So you want us to spend even more money on this situation by observing the fools who come back from fighting against what we believe in? I'd rather leave them in Syria personally! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Which British troops have died fighting isis lol.
We have had no contact with them apart from giving them weapons n training.
There fighting each other. While we can't decide who to help,
1 mth we bomb asad
2nd mth we bomb free syrian army
now we're bombing isis
we have armed all these groups. Time for the leaders in the west to explain the mess they've caused. |
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"Which British troops have died fighting isis lol.
We have had no contact with them apart from giving them weapons n training.
There fighting each other. While we can't decide who to help,
1 mth we bomb asad
2nd mth we bomb free syrian army
now we're bombing isis
we have armed all these groups. Time for the leaders in the west to explain the mess they've caused."
I do agree.. I wish we could diplomatically try to encourage Turkey, Saudi and Egypt to try to take charge and sort out the regions issues.... Weapons sales must be up, and I guess, for some powerful people, things like that are all that matter |
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"They went out there presumably to overthrow the Syrian government, I don't really understand why but that was what western governments wanted at the time.
ISIS was a well organised force and they probably joined thinking they were overthrowing the government, but then the rules changed.
Unfortunately once in an army you follow the orders given desertion in war is still firing squad penalty in the UK army so no reason to think it would be any different in ISIS.
No matter how good the intentions were on leaving the UK they are now between a rock and a hard place with no way out, unless ISIS win or lose and peace returns."
Good post.
People should cast their minds back into the recent past when Assad was allegedly using chemical weapons on his own people. Cameron did everything he could to take us to war in support of the 'rebels'.
Many in the media and lots of the voices on here backed him. There was huge support for the 'we need to do something' camp.
When the government was defeated in the commons vote Cameron and many of his supporters made clear their belief that a mistake had been made but that they would find other ways in which to support the rebels. The USA was even more explicit in their decision to arm the rebels.
We know today that the most organised of these rebels has morphed into ISIL.
Some of these youths who have been caught up in this mess originally wanted to do exactly what Cameron wanted to do and if a vote had gone differently would be fighting with our troops.
There is a clear distinction between those who went then and those who have joined ISIL recently.
It is not always as simple as those wanting to sell newspapers to the (at times) easily led masses would have you believe. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"They went out there presumably to overthrow the Syrian government, I don't really understand why but that was what western governments wanted at the time.
ISIS was a well organised force and they probably joined thinking they were overthrowing the government, but then the rules changed.
Unfortunately once in an army you follow the orders given desertion in war is still firing squad penalty in the UK army so no reason to think it would be any different in ISIS.
No matter how good the intentions were on leaving the UK they are now between a rock and a hard place with no way out, unless ISIS win or lose and peace returns.
Good post.
People should cast their minds back into the recent past when Assad was allegedly using chemical weapons on his own people. Cameron did everything he could to take us to war in support of the 'rebels'.
Many in the media and lots of the voices on here backed him. There was huge support for the 'we need to do something' camp.
When the government was defeated in the commons vote Cameron and many of his supporters made clear their belief that a mistake had been made but that they would find other ways in which to support the rebels. The USA was even more explicit in their decision to arm the rebels.
We know today that the most organised of these rebels has morphed into ISIL.
Some of these youths who have been caught up in this mess originally wanted to do exactly what Cameron wanted to do and if a vote had gone differently would be fighting with our troops.
There is a clear distinction between those who went then and those who have joined ISIL recently.
It is not always as simple as those wanting to sell newspapers to the (at times) easily led masses would have you believe. "
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