FabSwingers.com > Forums > The Lounge > Drink drive limit
Drink drive limit
Jump to: Newest in thread
 |
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
Scotland is reducing the blood alcohol limit for drivers. It will be cut from 80mg to 50mg in every 100ml of blood, in time for Christmas.
Should the limit be 0mg? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Theres been times ive had a pint an drove an thought i feel fine an others where after i think i was defo not on the ball there so now i wont drink a drop when driving. Better safe than sorry |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Scotland is reducing the blood alcohol limit for drivers. It will be cut from 80mg to 50mg in every 100ml of blood, in time for Christmas.
Should the limit be 0mg?"
I work on the railway and we get drug and alcohol tests regularly zero tolerance I know a guy who failed recently has been banned for 16 years idiot lost his career through stupidity |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"0 mg is unrealistic due to the possibility of contamination etc also there needs to be a demonstratable adverse affect on ability.
No there doesn't if your over your over"
What about alcohol mouthwash? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"0 mg is unrealistic due to the possibility of contamination etc also there needs to be a demonstratable adverse affect on ability.
No there doesn't if your over your over
What about alcohol mouthwash?"
Use non alcoholic mouthwash
If I use night nurse i have to report it to my line manager because it flages up on a d and a
Drug and alcohol |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"....soooo, if you've had a couple of drinks the night before, you couldnt drive the next day at all on a 0mg level?
Amazing."
It's amazing how many people go out and get pissed then drive the morning after when they are still over the limit. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"....soooo, if you've had a couple of drinks the night before, you couldnt drive the next day at all on a 0mg level?
Amazing.
It's amazing how many people go out and get pissed then drive the morning after when they are still over the limit."
It's lack of awareness, I think. They did highlight it in a BBC3 show, Barely Legal Drivers, but there's not many PSAs about it. I'm in the 0mg camp, anyway. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
So someone goes out gets d*unk gets home about half 11, has a good 10 12 hour sleep, gets up lots of food lots of water, and doesn't drive until the evening time and blows a 2 they should lose there licence? Even though they've done everything right |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"0 mg is unrealistic due to the possibility of contamination etc also there needs to be a demonstratable adverse affect on ability.
No there doesn't if your over your over
What about alcohol mouthwash?"
I think that would be comparable to poppy seeds triggering a positive opiate test. Tolerances in testing would be used. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"....soooo, if you've had a couple of drinks the night before, you couldnt drive the next day at all on a 0mg level?
Amazing.
It's amazing how many people go out and get pissed then drive the morning after when they are still over the limit.
It's lack of awareness, I think. They did highlight it in a BBC3 show, Barely Legal Drivers, but there's not many PSAs about it. I'm in the 0mg camp, anyway. "
What's PSA? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"....soooo, if you've had a couple of drinks the night before, you couldnt drive the next day at all on a 0mg level?
Amazing.
It's amazing how many people go out and get pissed then drive the morning after when they are still over the limit.
It's lack of awareness, I think. They did highlight it in a BBC3 show, Barely Legal Drivers, but there's not many PSAs about it. I'm in the 0mg camp, anyway.
What's PSA? "
Public Service Announcement. Like those THINK! road safety adverts the Government do. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"0 mg is unrealistic due to the possibility of contamination etc also there needs to be a demonstratable adverse affect on ability.
No there doesn't if your over your over
What about alcohol mouthwash?
I think that would be comparable to poppy seeds triggering a positive opiate test. Tolerances in testing would be used."
How can you have an absolute 0mg limit with a tolerance? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"....soooo, if you've had a couple of drinks the night before, you couldnt drive the next day at all on a 0mg level?
Amazing.
It's amazing how many people go out and get pissed then drive the morning after when they are still over the limit.
It's lack of awareness, I think. They did highlight it in a BBC3 show, Barely Legal Drivers, but there's not many PSAs about it. I'm in the 0mg camp, anyway.
What's PSA?
Public Service Announcement. Like those THINK! road safety adverts the Government do. "
Thank you. x |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"0 mg is unrealistic due to the possibility of contamination etc also there needs to be a demonstratable adverse affect on ability.
No there doesn't if your over your over
What about alcohol mouthwash?
I think that would be comparable to poppy seeds triggering a positive opiate test. Tolerances in testing would be used.
How can you have an absolute 0mg limit with a tolerance? "
When it's a tolerance of negligible/trace amounts, it's considered a 0. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
I now think It should be 0. As glass sizes are different and you cant tell .. If at a friends house and no size and marks on the glass and you don't know how strong the drink is you could easy be over . |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Yes. 0mg."
realistically you couldn't have it at 0mg because there is a fair amount of things that has a tiny bit of alcohol in it that would cause you to fail... the classic example would be for example a lot of cough medicines......
if you are looking at dropping it from .08... i am all for that... sweden for example uses a limit of 0.04 |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Sooo... chicken in white wine sauce?
How pedantic can it be?
I may have to give up drinking, or take up cycling  
Zero tolerance to drink driving, but I think 0 is a bad idea. Leave it as it is. Too many dope smoking politicians? Why isnt the current level working?!? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Scotland is reducing the blood alcohol limit for drivers. It will be cut from 80mg to 50mg in every 100ml of blood, in time for Christmas.
Should the limit be 0mg?"
Keeps the revenue going I guess... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago
south east |
The biggest issue with total zero tolerance is it does not deter out n out d*unk drivers ....people already flount the law thinking they wont get caught ...the issue is the people who are caught out driving a day later......if any of you are having a wee drinkie tonight....when will your level be zero n fit to drive ???????? Bet no-one can answer  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"meats cooked in red wine sauces....
chicken in white wine sauce.....
sherry triffles.....
chocolate licqures.....
and the list goes on"
True you do have a good point there. I was not thinking of it in others things was just drink .. X |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"The biggest issue with total zero tolerance is it does not deter out n out d*unk drivers ....people already flount the law thinking they wont get caught ...the issue is the people who are caught out driving a day later......if any of you are having a wee drinkie tonight....when will your level be zero n fit to drive ???????? Bet no-one can answer "
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"meats cooked in red wine sauces....
chicken in white wine sauce.....
sherry triffles.....
chocolate licqures.....
and the list goes on"
would love to see if anyone has ever been so affected by these foods etc that their driving was so impaired to be 'over the limit'.. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"meats cooked in red wine sauces....
chicken in white wine sauce.....
sherry triffles.....
chocolate licqures.....
and the list goes on
would love to see if anyone has ever been so affected by these foods etc that their driving was so impaired to be 'over the limit'.."
 |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"
would love to see if anyone has ever been so affected by these foods etc that their driving was so impaired to be 'over the limit'.."
Before giving an answer it would be helpful to know how much alcohol used in cooking shows up on tests. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"
would love to see if anyone has ever been so affected by these foods etc that their driving was so impaired to be 'over the limit'..
Before giving an answer it would be helpful to know how much alcohol used in cooking shows up on tests. "
clearly one could pour a bottle of sherry into your average family sized trifle and the alcohol content would be absorbed and if applicable would add to any other consumed..
but, most average sized family trifles don't contain a whole bottle..
any serving or retired police, paramedic or fire personnel will tell you of many rtc's attended where alcohol and other substances or even not taking medication where contributory or the main cause but I doubt many would say it was down to a person taking cough medicine who had eaten a meal etc had had the same effect..
a zero limit leaves no doubts.. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"
Before giving an answer it would be helpful to know how much alcohol used in cooking shows up on tests. "
the answer to that is actually a lot more than you would think......
for example meat cooked in wine tends to retain about 75% of the alcohol you put it in......
depend in what you are cooking... and how long.... as much as 85% can be maintained.... but the longer something is cooks... the less that figure will be.... but even if something is cooked for 60-90 minutes it can still retained a fair chunk...
here are the results of a study done by the USFDA (food and drug administration) done in 1992...
"The highest rates of retention were with alcohol added to boiling liquid and then shortly after removed from heat. In this case, the alcohol retention rate was around 85%.
The second highest alcohol retention rate came when using the flaming method of cooking, which resulted in around a 75% retention level.
When using no heat and storing overnight, about 70% of the alcohol was retained.
When baked for 25 minutes with the mixture not being stirred, the retention rate was 45%.
When baked/simmered where the mixture is stirred, produced the following results:
15 minutes 40%
30 minutes 35%
1 hour 25%
1.5 hours 20%
2 hours 10%
2.5 hours 5%
so in effect a 0mg rate would almost be impossible which is why even those countries with the strongest laws dont go below 0.04 |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Yes. 0mg.
realistically you couldn't have it at 0mg because there is a fair amount of things that has a tiny bit of alcohol in it that would cause you to fail... the classic example would be for example a lot of cough medicines......
if you are looking at dropping it from .08... i am all for that... sweden for example uses a limit of 0.04"
Exactly |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ruitWoman
over a year ago
near kings lynn |
"meats cooked in red wine sauces....
chicken in white wine sauce.....
sherry triffles.....
chocolate licqures.....
and the list goes on"
When cooked in a sauce the alcohol burns off doesn't it? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"
would love to see if anyone has ever been so affected by these foods etc that their driving was so impaired to be 'over the limit'..
Before giving an answer it would be helpful to know how much alcohol used in cooking shows up on tests.
clearly one could pour a bottle of sherry into your average family sized trifle and the alcohol content would be absorbed and if applicable would add to any other consumed..
but, most average sized family trifles don't contain a whole bottle..
any serving or retired police, paramedic or fire personnel will tell you of many rtc's attended where alcohol and other substances or even not taking medication where contributory or the main cause but I doubt many would say it was down to a person taking cough medicine who had eaten a meal etc had had the same effect..
a zero limit leaves no doubts.."
Well no a zero limit opens up a huge range of doubts and would catch so many regular unimpaired individuals that people would no longer see the test as relevant.
Also it would cost a fortune as everyone who got a tiny amount over proceeded to go to court to challenge the ruling.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"meats cooked in red wine sauces....
chicken in white wine sauce.....
sherry triffles.....
chocolate licqures.....
and the list goes on
would love to see if anyone has ever been so affected by these foods etc that their driving was so impaired to be 'over the limit'.."
Probably not but that's why we have a leeway with an absolute zero limit then it would become everyone. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"meats cooked in red wine sauces....
chicken in white wine sauce.....
sherry triffles.....
chocolate licqures.....
and the list goes on
When cooked in a sauce the alcohol burns off doesn't it? "
Yes, most of the time. The flavour remains, the alcohol evapourates. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Most mouthwashes are alcohol based! And _ruit ferments around your teeth to make alcahol too! Alcahol is. Naturally occurring substance so a very low limit to exclude these would be the most logical! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Most mouthwashes are alcohol based! And _ruit ferments around your teeth to make alcahol too! Alcahol is. Naturally occurring substance so a very low limit to exclude these would be the most logical! "
can't be 0 for the many food / medical related posts above, could be lower than it is though.
BUT that would need some evidence that the current limit is unsafe, not just a knee jerk reaction. Drink driving is bad, obviously but a "safe" level that allowed tolerance that covered quantities of alcohol not expected to contribute to unsafe driving was set, and I have not yet seen evidence presented that says the levels were wrong.
The current dangers are phones, tiredness and stupid as it would seem DVD players in cars! I would far rather see a campaign to make it illegal to have your phone switched on in a car than a further reduction in the drink drive limit. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Are there any medics out there who could tell me how long it takes the average man, or woman to metabolise alcohol after a night out - say 4 pints, would it be safe to drive the next day?!? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"meats cooked in red wine sauces....
chicken in white wine sauce.....
sherry triffles.....
chocolate licqures.....
and the list goes on
When cooked in a sauce the alcohol burns off doesn't it?
Yes, most of the time. The flavour remains, the alcohol evapourates."
That's a myth. Only some of the alcohol evaporates, much of it remains. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Are there any medics out there who could tell me how long it takes the average man, or woman to metabolise alcohol after a night out - say 4 pints, would it be safe to drive the next day?!?"
It's a not a valid calculation as all metabolisms are different but for the average man it would be about 8 hours, for women about 10 hours. BUT that would depend on lots of factors, the only way to know is to test yourself. When at parties in Sweden it's standard to test before driving home the next day, and many of us do not leave before 2 or 3pm |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Most mouthwashes are alcohol based! And _ruit ferments around your teeth to make alcahol too! Alcahol is. Naturally occurring substance so a very low limit to exclude these would be the most logical! can't be 0 for the many food / medical related posts above, could be lower than it is though.
BUT that would need some evidence that the current limit is unsafe, not just a knee jerk reaction. Drink driving is bad, obviously but a "safe" level that allowed tolerance that covered quantities of alcohol not expected to contribute to unsafe driving was set, and I have not yet seen evidence presented that says the levels were wrong.
The current dangers are phones, tiredness and stupid as it would seem DVD players in cars! I would far rather see a campaign to make it illegal to have your phone switched on in a car than a further reduction in the drink drive limit."
Phones are much much more dangerous than drink at least the d*unk is looking at the road the person on the phone may as well be blind.
If it's safe for me I get close an knock on the window/honk when I pass someone who's been weaving left to right while on their phone.
It's funny watching them shit themselves and then realise I'm not a cop and get angry. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
Wakefield |
If the level was 0 then people would not be able to eat a lot of foods that ferment, _ruit, grains some roots.
Also a low limit would be unfair to women.
The limit has to be high enough to avoid naturally created alcohol in the person's system and but low enough to avoid undue slowing down of reaction time.
Having said that the biggest change in drink driving habits came when public attitude changed towards drink driving (early 1980s), until then the legal limit had little effect.
It is only when public attitude changes to a if you drink dont drive stance that drink driving will become a thing of the past. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
They clearly havent done everything right if they blow a 2....There is a serious lack of understanding around how many is too many . 0 is the way to go. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"A re-test after half hour solves that. "
but they kinda already do this anyway...
the reading they use in court when someone is charged with driving over the limit isn't the one you blow on the roadside.... its the one you blow on the more sensitive machine back at a police station....
the one you blow on the roadside allows them to take you to the station on suspicion.... so if you are that close, by the time you get to the station you may be under anyway |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
I remember watching a programme a couple of years ago, showed how people had very different levels despite drinking similar amounts. It strengthens the argument for zero tolerance but I think the current levels are ok. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"0 for sure"
So will you be willing to pay the increase in tax to pay for the hundreds of millions of pounds of extra court cases even year plus accept the detriment to society because of the clogging of courts with thousands of new drink driving offences over violent crime etc? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Scotland is reducing the blood alcohol limit for drivers. It will be cut from 80mg to 50mg in every 100ml of blood, in time for Christmas.
Should the limit be 0mg?"
What a load of bollocks there are so many bad drivers without a drink why not ban them! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
» Add a new message to this topic
