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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Was really shocked to read about the fella who has just been freed after 48 years. The way in which these policemen were gunned down in broad daylight outside a school sent a chill down my spine.
Complete mockery of the justice system, told he would never be released. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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Besides, having just read the details, he was sentenced to a minimum of 30 years.
The judge didn't say he should never be freed, (or if he did, I can't find a reference to it). He said that given the crime he thought it unlikely any Home Secretary would agree to a release on licence.
Is prison just about punishment or should it also be about rehabilitation and incarcerating people whilst they still pose a risk to others? |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society."
I disagree. Some are sociopaths or psychopaths but some people kill without being either. |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society."
Most killers are released within 15 years some after only 8.
This man has served far longer than many |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society.
Most killers are released within 15 years some after only 8.
This man has served far longer than many"
As far as his crime goes though, it was far, far worse than most. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I just read the article, he would have been hung - the death sentence was abolished 8 months earlier. He went in at 30 and coming out at 78 - he served a long time. Others have come out sooner who have committed murder. Look for example at James Bulger's murderers. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"I just read the article, he would have been hung - the death sentence was abolished 8 months earlier. He went in at 30 and coming out at 78 - he served a long time. Others have come out sooner who have committed murder. Look for example at James Bulger's murderers. "
And they were given protection and new identities at great public expense only for at least one of them to reoffend and end up in prison again. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society."
You are so right. I don't know anything about the guy in question but the ones I do know about are scary. They cannot be rehabilitated. It's only a matter of time once they are out. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'm not sure how after serving 48 years you can say it makes a mockery of justice  "
Perhaps I misunderstood, I believed he wasn't supposed to be released. |
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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago
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Is it not going to cost society so much more at this stage of his life to let him out than keep him in. He will have to have a house, an alloawnce, be watched with parole officers etc and he is still a big risk as im sure crime is the only way of life he knows. How long did the other murderer serve, does anyone know? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm not sure how after serving 48 years you can say it makes a mockery of justice
Perhaps I misunderstood, I believed he wasn't supposed to be released. "
Yes you misunderstood. As already mentioned on the thread tge minimum tariff was 30 years |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm not sure how after serving 48 years you can say it makes a mockery of justice
Perhaps I misunderstood, I believed he wasn't supposed to be released. "
His sentence was a minimum of 30 years. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society."
That's rubbish. What a generalisation - plenty of people who have made positive changes and helped others avoid that path, plus 'killers' is a loose term. A lot of people have been the main person responsible for another's death, but circumstances can really vary.
Anyway, case in hand - he's no longer a threat to society according to the professionals, and has spent his whole life inside apart from years leading up to a horrific event. I would bet my mortgage on him not reoffending  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society.
That's rubbish. What a generalisation - plenty of people who have made positive changes and helped others avoid that path, plus 'killers' is a loose term. A lot of people have been the main person responsible for another's death, but circumstances can really vary.
Anyway, case in hand - he's no longer a threat to society according to the professionals, and has spent his whole life inside apart from years leading up to a horrific event. I would bet my mortgage on him not reoffending "
I agree
The suggestion that no killer can be rehabilitated and it's only a matter of time before they reoffend is laughable |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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Does anyone here think it's going to be easy for him to adjust from 1966 to 2014 practically overnight?
Many prisoners struggle to adapt after much, much shorter sentences.
Virtually nothing will be familiar to him and at 78 adapting is going to be even more difficult.
I don't have any sympathy for him but I don't think being released is going to be an easy experience for him. |
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"I'm not sure how after serving 48 years you can say it makes a mockery of justice
Perhaps I misunderstood, I believed he wasn't supposed to be released. "
A judge can recommend that someone never be released but can't actually give a whole of life sentence. Our system is based on the possibility of reform and rehabilitation, if there is no hope of release then there is no incentive to moderate and change behaviour. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society.
You are so right. I don't know anything about the guy in question but the ones I do know about are scary. They cannot be rehabilitated. It's only a matter of time once they are out."
Can I just point out that I am referring to killers not a killer and not this man in question. Anyone commits multiple murders, a serial killer, in my view cannot be rehabilitated. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society.
You are so right. I don't know anything about the guy in question but the ones I do know about are scary. They cannot be rehabilitated. It's only a matter of time once they are out.
Can I just point out that I am referring to killers not a killer and not this man in question. Anyone commits multiple murders, a serial killer, in my view cannot be rehabilitated."
Killing more than one person doesn't make someone a serial killer |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Does anyone here think it's going to be easy for him to adjust from 1966 to 2014 practically overnight?
Many prisoners struggle to adapt after much, much shorter sentences.
Virtually nothing will be familiar to him and at 78 adapting is going to be even more difficult.
I don't have any sympathy for him but I don't think being released is going to be an easy experience for him."
I think it will be an horrendous experience. The world we live with n is very different to the one he knew. Add in that he will likely have no real friends or family |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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He willingly took a 2 lives, no chance of the victims being resurrected, so why is it deemed as sufficient punishment to serve 48 years?
Maybe he won't reoffend - but he still murdered 2 men who had lives, families and were doing their job. Nothing will bring the victims back or ease the families grief - as I'm sure their grief has resurfaced on hearing the news of his release.
It is also claimed that he is still unrepentant about his crimes
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is it not going to cost society so much more at this stage of his life to let him out than keep him in. He will have to have a house, an alloawnce, be watched with parole officers etc and he is still a big risk as im sure crime is the only way of life he knows. How long did the other murderer serve, does anyone know? "
His accomplice died in prison. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We become very emotive when we contextualise the crime.
COP KILLER, is that worse than jealous husband killer, killer of teenage school girl on a bus, serial killer.
We are blessed to live in a country with a well founded criminal justice system that in the main works. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society.
You are so right. I don't know anything about the guy in question but the ones I do know about are scary. They cannot be rehabilitated. It's only a matter of time once they are out.
Can I just point out that I am referring to killers not a killer and not this man in question. Anyone commits multiple murders, a serial killer, in my view cannot be rehabilitated.
Killing more than one person doesn't make someone a serial killer "
Yes I know, but that's the sort of person I am referring to. In my mind a serial killer is a killer who kills, leaves it a while, then kills again when they get the urge. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society."
If I may clarify my words above...As was mentioned he most probably would find some challenges integrating back into society. In my opinion they serve no purpose in doing so. And if so a specific programme and monitoring of ex killers should be compulsory. I've done a bit if research wrt to sociopaths and psychopaths. The subject fascinates me as we are not made aware of such people. Psycopathism is an incurable disease. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society.
You are so right. I don't know anything about the guy in question but the ones I do know about are scary. They cannot be rehabilitated. It's only a matter of time once they are out.
Can I just point out that I am referring to killers not a killer and not this man in question. Anyone commits multiple murders, a serial killer, in my view cannot be rehabilitated.
Killing more than one person doesn't make someone a serial killer
Yes I know, but that's the sort of person I am referring to. In my mind a serial killer is a killer who kills, leaves it a while, then kills again when they get the urge. "
Ah I see. That's not the case with the guy in question here though, as far as I know?
Whether other people continue to be a risk or can be rehabilitated doesn't indicate whether or not he can.
Because some killers perhaps can't be rehabilitated and should, maybe, not be released, doesn't mean everyone who kills is like that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society.
That's rubbish. What a generalisation - plenty of people who have made positive changes and helped others avoid that path, plus 'killers' is a loose term. A lot of people have been the main person responsible for another's death, but circumstances can really vary.
Anyway, case in hand - he's no longer a threat to society according to the professionals, and has spent his whole life inside apart from years leading up to a horrific event. I would bet my mortgage on him not reoffending "
You would 'bet'. Wow. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society.
If I may clarify my words above...As was mentioned he most probably would find some challenges integrating back into society. In my opinion they serve no purpose in doing so. And if so a specific programme and monitoring of ex killers should be compulsory. I've done a bit if research wrt to sociopaths and psychopaths. The subject fascinates me as we are not made aware of such people. Psycopathism is an incurable disease. "
We've no way of knowing whether the man in question is a psychopath though.
He might be but, even given his crime, he might not.
Plus, not all psychopaths are dangerous and only a small fraction kill. Many very successful people are sociopathic or psychopathic. |
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"Was really shocked to read about the fella who has just been freed after 48 years. The way in which these policemen were gunned down in broad daylight outside a school sent a chill down my spine.
Complete mockery of the justice system, told he would never be released. "
He should have been executed!
Then we wouldn't need this thread |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society.
If I may clarify my words above...As was mentioned he most probably would find some challenges integrating back into society. In my opinion they serve no purpose in doing so. And if so a specific programme and monitoring of ex killers should be compulsory. I've done a bit if research wrt to sociopaths and psychopaths. The subject fascinates me as we are not made aware of such people. Psycopathism is an incurable disease.
We've no way of knowing whether the man in question is a psychopath though.
He might be but, even given his crime, he might not.
Plus, not all psychopaths are dangerous and only a small fraction kill. Many very successful people are sociopathic or psychopathic."
I know that. A vast percentage of very successful business people are sociopaths.
The professionals who have dealt with him know exactly. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society.
That's rubbish. What a generalisation - plenty of people who have made positive changes and helped others avoid that path, plus 'killers' is a loose term. A lot of people have been the main person responsible for another's death, but circumstances can really vary.
Anyway, case in hand - he's no longer a threat to society according to the professionals, and has spent his whole life inside apart from years leading up to a horrific event. I would bet my mortgage on him not reoffending
You would 'bet'. Wow."
I think at 78, with the sort of supervision he's going to have, it's more likely that he won't reoffend.
He ought to at least get the opportunity not to before we condemn him. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Was really shocked to read about the fella who has just been freed after 48 years. The way in which these policemen were gunned down in broad daylight outside a school sent a chill down my spine.
Complete mockery of the justice system, told he would never be released. "
If your shocked he has been released then
It doesn't take much to shock you then does it,
He has served his time for the horrific crime he committed.
Unlike most of the IRA who where released early under the so called Good Friday agreement .
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society.
If I may clarify my words above...As was mentioned he most probably would find some challenges integrating back into society. In my opinion they serve no purpose in doing so. And if so a specific programme and monitoring of ex killers should be compulsory. I've done a bit if research wrt to sociopaths and psychopaths. The subject fascinates me as we are not made aware of such people. Psycopathism is an incurable disease.
We've no way of knowing whether the man in question is a psychopath though.
He might be but, even given his crime, he might not.
Plus, not all psychopaths are dangerous and only a small fraction kill. Many very successful people are sociopathic or psychopathic.
I know that. A vast percentage of very successful business people are sociopaths.
The professionals who have dealt with him know exactly. "
You seem to be assuming, from what you've already said, that he is a sociopath or psychopath and can't have been rehabilitated.
In fact I got the impression you think that of everyone who kills.
That's how your comments read to me. |
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As always the Police union use highly emotive language to twist the facts - rather worrying since they too are meant to be police officers.
'walked free'? : servered 18yrs longer than sentenced.
'cold blood': 3 armed robbers pumped full of adrenaline on the way to a robbery.
Whilst I understand their argument that those who kill policemen should get special treatment, I'd rather start with those who kill and torture innocent children. But then you have to be careful that once you give extended sentences for child-killers, cop-killers, where there is a racial element, if there is a sexual element, if you're not careful you end up giving the impression that it is somehow ok to kill a middle-aged white man.
Personally, at 78, I think he is more likely to get more punishment out of prison in our social-care system than living it up inside. Hope his meals-on-wheels guy spits in his food  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Harry Roberts ruthlessly killed three policemen in cold blood while preparing to assist a jail break from wormwood scrubs prison. Cop killers have traditionally got longer sentences.
There has never been a suggestion that he was anything other than a ruthless killer and the reason he served 18 years past his tariff was more political ie: no Home Secretary wanting to be the one that released the infamous cop killer Harry Roberts.
The three policemen memorial stands on the edge of the scrubs close to the location of this tragic incident. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Police federation have just protested against the decision
To be fair, the Police Federation moan about opening gates for Government Ministers on bicycles...."
Only doing my job sir! |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"The US intelligence Agency are pushing for our Government to arm Police over here.
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Because the US have such a good record for controlling gun crime. We should definitely listen to them.   |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The US intelligence Agency are pushing for our Government to arm Police over here.
Because the US have such a good record for controlling gun crime. We should definitely listen to them. "
Never any stories about American cops shooting the wrong people is there? |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"The US intelligence Agency are pushing for our Government to arm Police over here.
Because the US have such a good record for controlling gun crime. We should definitely listen to them.
Never any stories about American cops shooting the wrong people is there?"
Nope, nor indications that crooks carry guns when they otherwise wouldn't because they know the police will be armed.
The police having guns will automatically escalate a lot of situations into something far more serious.
Also, whilst I accept most of our police are honest and conscientious, there are still too many cases of serious corruption to hand out firearms to them all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I was involved in an incident with a d*unk women when fortunately an armed response unit was passing. They stopped and tried to mediate and clam the situation. The woman was wild and uncontrollable. In an effort to calm her he said "I don't want to arrest you"
She replied "what are you gonna do then, shoot me?" And tried to tear his machine from his grasp.
We don't need more armed cops on our streets. There are enough already. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society."
How about a soldier who kills to protect himself, his comrades and his freedom? is there no hope of them returning to normal family life after the army?
Also for the sake of fair discussion how about a battered wife who eventually snaps and kills her abuser?
This guy is 78 years old, minimal threat to society. and has been punished far more than most who kill, what I feel is more shocking is the police and political bodies who are saying that a policeman's life is more valuable than any other citizen. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The police and armed services lay their lives on the line to protection. Hence the longer sentences"
I don't disagree totally with this, but this sentence of 48 years is a longer sentence than most murderers serve, so that has happened. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The US intelligence Agency are pushing for our Government to arm Police over here.
Because the US have such a good record for controlling gun crime. We should definitely listen to them.
Never any stories about American cops shooting the wrong people is there?"
Considering how few people British police shoot they have a fairly unenviable record for shooting the wrong person |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I know a prison warder who has dealt with this man in the past. The man told the warder that he would do the same again if the situation arose again. He has never shown a shred of remorse for the killings. That is why he has been kept behind bars for so long.
In the opinion of the warder the man should die in prison as he is a dangerous person who would kill again without compunction.
I had this conversation with the warder two years ago, so I doubt that much has changed by now in the mind of the killer. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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We have an strange view of punishment of crimes in the UK, surely in a clear cut case why q
Can't it simply be a life for a life...
Do we need to feed and clothe these convicted criminals when there are far less costly alternatives.... |
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"We have an strange view of punishment of crimes in the UK, surely in a clear cut case why q
Can't it simply be a life for a life...
Do we need to feed and clothe these convicted criminals when there are far less costly alternatives...."
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By (user no longer on site)
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It may already have been said above, but I heard on TV earlier, on day trips out over the last few years he has cut off a horses head and killed a cat
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society.
How about a soldier who kills to protect himself, his comrades and his freedom? is there no hope of them returning to normal family life after the army?
Also for the sake of fair discussion how about a battered wife who eventually snaps and kills her abuser?
This guy is 78 years old, minimal threat to society. and has been punished far more than most who kill, what I feel is more shocking is the police and political bodies who are saying that a policeman's life is more valuable than any other citizen. "
Obviously the subject is to the referred thread and my comments have not ramified from that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm not sure how after serving 48 years you can say it makes a mockery of justice "
Indeed. Especially as this news comes in the same week a killer gets sent down for only 5 years and will likely not even serve a full year |
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society.
If I may clarify my words above...As was mentioned he most probably would find some challenges integrating back into society. In my opinion they serve no purpose in doing so. And if so a specific programme and monitoring of ex killers should be compulsory. I've done a bit if research wrt to sociopaths and psychopaths. The subject fascinates me as we are not made aware of such people. Psycopathism is an incurable disease.
We've no way of knowing whether the man in question is a psychopath though.
He might be but, even given his crime, he might not.
Plus, not all psychopaths are dangerous and only a small fraction kill. Many very successful people are sociopathic or psychopathic.
I know that. A vast percentage of very successful business people are sociopaths.
The professionals who have dealt with him know exactly.
You seem to be assuming, from what you've already said, that he is a sociopath or psychopath and can't have been rehabilitated.
In fact I got the impression you think that of everyone who kills.
That's how your comments read to me."
I appreciate that with texting and messaging one experiences missed nuances. Obviously this is quite a controversial thread. Would be great to all sit together and talk |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society.
If I may clarify my words above...As was mentioned he most probably would find some challenges integrating back into society. In my opinion they serve no purpose in doing so. And if so a specific programme and monitoring of ex killers should be compulsory. I've done a bit if research wrt to sociopaths and psychopaths. The subject fascinates me as we are not made aware of such people. Psycopathism is an incurable disease.
We've no way of knowing whether the man in question is a psychopath though.
He might be but, even given his crime, he might not.
Plus, not all psychopaths are dangerous and only a small fraction kill. Many very successful people are sociopathic or psychopathic.
I know that. A vast percentage of very successful business people are sociopaths.
The professionals who have dealt with him know exactly.
You seem to be assuming, from what you've already said, that he is a sociopath or psychopath and can't have been rehabilitated.
In fact I got the impression you think that of everyone who kills.
That's how your comments read to me.
I appreciate that with texting and messaging one experiences missed nuances. Obviously this is quite a controversial thread. Would be great to all sit together and talk "
Also best to never assume anything of anyone but to rather ask questions. |
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"We have an strange view of punishment of crimes in the UK, surely in a clear cut case why q
Can't it simply be a life for a life...
Do we need to feed and clothe these convicted criminals when there are far less costly alternatives...."
because there have been too many 'clear cut' cases which have found to be unsafe..
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society.
If I may clarify my words above...As was mentioned he most probably would find some challenges integrating back into society. In my opinion they serve no purpose in doing so. And if so a specific programme and monitoring of ex killers should be compulsory. I've done a bit if research wrt to sociopaths and psychopaths. The subject fascinates me as we are not made aware of such people. Psycopathism is an incurable disease.
We've no way of knowing whether the man in question is a psychopath though.
He might be but, even given his crime, he might not.
Plus, not all psychopaths are dangerous and only a small fraction kill. Many very successful people are sociopathic or psychopathic.
I know that. A vast percentage of very successful business people are sociopaths.
The professionals who have dealt with him know exactly.
You seem to be assuming, from what you've already said, that he is a sociopath or psychopath and can't have been rehabilitated.
In fact I got the impression you think that of everyone who kills.
That's how your comments read to me.
I appreciate that with texting and messaging one experiences missed nuances. Obviously this is quite a controversial thread. Would be great to all sit together and talk
Also best to never assume anything of anyone but to rather ask questions."
The phrase "Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths" doesn't leave much room for any other interpretation. You didn't say some, or may be. Killers are sociopaths or psychopaths is pretty clear cut.
I suggest the problem is not my interpretation but your wording. |
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over a year ago
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"WHY NOT FREE CHARLIE BRONSON , HES NEVER KILLED ANYONE , FREE CHARLIE NOW !!!!!!!!!!
Don't you mean Charles Salvador?"
I thought he meant Charles manson |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I know a prison warder who has dealt with this man in the past. The man told the warder that he would do the same again if the situation arose again. He has never shown a shred of remorse for the killings. That is why he has been kept behind bars for so long.
In the opinion of the warder the man should die in prison as he is a dangerous person who would kill again without compunction.
I had this conversation with the warder two years ago, so I doubt that much has changed by now in the mind of the killer. "
They said on the news that he beheaded a horse and electrocuted a cat to death while on day release.
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"I know a prison warder who has dealt with this man in the past. The man told the warder that he would do the same again if the situation arose again. He has never shown a shred of remorse for the killings. That is why he has been kept behind bars for so long.
In the opinion of the warder the man should die in prison as he is a dangerous person who would kill again without compunction.
I had this conversation with the warder two years ago, so I doubt that much has changed by now in the mind of the killer.
They said on the news that he beheaded a horse and electrocuted a cat to death while on day release.
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That's what I said earlier, but no one cared, no one listened.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know a prison warder who has dealt with this man in the past. The man told the warder that he would do the same again if the situation arose again. He has never shown a shred of remorse for the killings. That is why he has been kept behind bars for so long.
In the opinion of the warder the man should die in prison as he is a dangerous person who would kill again without compunction.
I had this conversation with the warder two years ago, so I doubt that much has changed by now in the mind of the killer.
They said on the news that he beheaded a horse and electrocuted a cat to death while on day release.
That's what I said earlier, but no one cared, no one listened. "
Aww. I missed it sorry. Ah well, we can both be ignored together eh.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The US intelligence Agency are pushing for our Government to arm Police over here.
Because the US have such a good record for controlling gun crime. We should definitely listen to them.
Never any stories about American cops shooting the wrong people is there?
Considering how few people British police shoot they have a fairly unenviable record for shooting the wrong person"
The majority of people are not capable of handling guns safely and effectively even with training. By all means have armed response units manned by the best. But to give arms to all PCs would lead to a lot more accidents. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Other countries do seem to be harder at sentencing. In Thailand a woman got 141,078 years for Fraud. She is eligible for parole in the year 7130 as I understand it. Perhaps we should follow suit?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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when we were kids we used to sing.
Harry Roberts the cops are after you.
If they catch you they'll give you a year or two.
They'l tie you up with wire behind the black maria.
So ring your bell and peddle like hell on a bycicle made for two. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society.
If I may clarify my words above...As was mentioned he most probably would find some challenges integrating back into society. In my opinion they serve no purpose in doing so. And if so a specific programme and monitoring of ex killers should be compulsory. I've done a bit if research wrt to sociopaths and psychopaths. The subject fascinates me as we are not made aware of such people. Psycopathism is an incurable disease.
We've no way of knowing whether the man in question is a psychopath though.
He might be but, even given his crime, he might not.
Plus, not all psychopaths are dangerous and only a small fraction kill. Many very successful people are sociopathic or psychopathic.
I know that. A vast percentage of very successful business people are sociopaths.
The professionals who have dealt with him know exactly.
You seem to be assuming, from what you've already said, that he is a sociopath or psychopath and can't have been rehabilitated.
In fact I got the impression you think that of everyone who kills.
That's how your comments read to me.
I appreciate that with texting and messaging one experiences missed nuances. Obviously this is quite a controversial thread. Would be great to all sit together and talk
Also best to never assume anything of anyone but to rather ask questions.
The phrase "Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths" doesn't leave much room for any other interpretation. You didn't say some, or may be. Killers are sociopaths or psychopaths is pretty clear cut.
I suggest the problem is not my interpretation but your wording."
Thank you for your comment. I see quite clearly where I have gone wrong. Please accept my apologies you are absolutely right. I really did talk far too quickly for my brain to digest it properly. It really is quite a vast subject to debate about. Here's wishing you a beautiful evening. |
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By *razedcatMan
over a year ago
London / Herts |
A lot of people tend to believe locking criminals up and throwing away the key, or leading them to the gallows, is the ultimate solution to society's problems.
Truth is, a) a lot of killings take place by accident, b) the harsh conditions of prison and the stigmatisation of criminality makes it impossible for behavioural reform, c) saying someone needs to be executed for killing someone is barbaric, d) people get so caught up in the headlines without actually taking the time to read the facts of the case, as they were presented in Court.
The man served more than 40 years. Somehow, I doubt committing more crimes is on his now frail mind. In granting release every factor will have been considered.
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Has done more than his fair share of time, fact they were cops should make no difference in sentence, a life is a life if it wears a badge or not."
If we're going to insist that cops (mostly) patrol unarmed, we owe them better protection than that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Pc Geoffrey Fox, 41, Sergeant Christopher Head, 30, and Detective Constable David Wombwell, 25.
Just incase anyone thought they may be worth a mention. "
Very well said |
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"if he did do that on day release maybe he is still a danger "
Doesn't seen to be very well published in the media ...yet.
But if it is true, it's not saying he's in a good state of mind to me |
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"Killers are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. Nothing changes them. No therapy or medication can help them. A big mistake releasing them back into society."
Aside from what you refer to as sociopaths and psychopaths being very much the same condition.... the lingo just changed over time... your statement about killers being sociopaths/psychopaths is inaccurate.
It is quite common to find sociopaths leading industry, successful business people, top bankers and the like... none wielding an axe and chainsaw.
The majority of people who commit murder are not sociopaths. |
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"Pc Geoffrey Fox, 41, Sergeant Christopher Head, 30, and Detective Constable David Wombwell, 25.
Just incase anyone thought they may be worth a mention. "
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Whether anyone likes it or not the guy has done his time.
Releasing assessed prisoners after they have done their time, in my mind, is not making a mockery of anything.... moving the goal posts for no other reason than 'some people in society don't like the sound of it' WOULD make a mockery of the justice system.
When he was sentenced the life expectancy of the average guy was around 70years.... so it is likely they expected him to die in prison. Just because he didn't, it hardly seems fair that 48years later people want to change the rules.
I believe someone has already mentioned the emotive language being used by the Police and Press: "Walking Free" being a prime example.
I cannot claim to know his current state of mind.
I cannot claim to know what he will or won't do after release.
But I do believe that a sentence, which many had considered 'justice' for the past 48 years, shouldn't be deemed an 'injustice' after the guy has served it and survived it. |
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