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Sorry for language but "For Fuck sake. !"
Police to downgrade and not persue those who _iew images on line.....
Jesus.....
What msg is this sending out???
They say realisticaly they,ve not the resources...
BOLLOCKS!!
Theres enough resources to chase up car speeding offences and on line trols and bullies...
Fail to see the difference...
Smells of wish to protect influential people to me....
Disgusting..... And I have no children of my even but still feel dissapointed... |
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Disgusting, I saw a program on channel 4 about a guy who set up fake profiles and got men to come and meet but set them up.. At the end of the show it said what happened to them all.. One of them killed his self.
Was called "The pedophile hunter" if you want to give it a watch. |
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"Sorry for language but "For Fuck sake. !"
Police to downgrade and not persue those who _iew images on line.....
Jesus.....
What msg is this sending out???
They say realisticaly they,ve not the resources...
BOLLOCKS!!
Theres enough resources to chase up car speeding offences and on line trols and bullies...
Fail to see the difference...
Smells of wish to protect influential people to me....
Disgusting..... And I have no children of my even but still feel dissapointed..."
It is really bad news for the victims of child abuse and for it to be referred to as child porn turns my stomach and angers me to tears. What can we as parents and concerned individuals do about this though?
Petition anyone? |
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"It's very sad because behind every image is a victim. "
They're not ignoring the images they're instead putting the manpower into finding the people making them rather than the people simply _iewing them.
They could prosecute a hundred down ladders and change nothing find the guy making the videos and they can save the child from that hell.
Which is more worth the time? |
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"Sorry for language but "For Fuck sake. !"
Police to downgrade and not persue those who _iew images on line.....
Jesus.....
What msg is this sending out???
They say realisticaly they,ve not the resources...
BOLLOCKS!!
Theres enough resources to chase up car speeding offences and on line trols and bullies...
Fail to see the difference...
Smells of wish to protect influential people to me....
Disgusting..... And I have no children of my even but still feel dissapointed...
It is really bad news for the victims of child abuse and for it to be referred to as child porn turns my stomach and angers me to tears. What can we as parents and concerned individuals do about this though?
Petition anyone?"
Petition for what exactly?
Random searches of people's computers?
Monitoring of all internet traffic without warrants?
Going after the downloads is hard they usually get picked up for other things then their pc searched or when they get an uploaded they then go after everyone who paid them.
It makes more sense to go after the producers than the user's |
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"Sorry for language but "For Fuck sake. !"
Police to downgrade and not persue those who _iew images on line.....
Jesus.....
What msg is this sending out???
They say realisticaly they,ve not the resources...
BOLLOCKS!!
Theres enough resources to chase up car speeding offences and on line trols and bullies...
Fail to see the difference...
Smells of wish to protect influential people to me....
Disgusting..... And I have no children of my even but still feel dissapointed...
It is really bad news for the victims of child abuse and for it to be referred to as child porn turns my stomach and angers me to tears. What can we as parents and concerned individuals do about this though?
Petition anyone?
Petition for what exactly?
Random searches of people's computers?
Monitoring of all internet traffic without warrants?
Going after the downloads is hard they usually get picked up for other things then their pc searched or when they get an uploaded they then go after everyone who paid them.
It makes more sense to go after the producers than the user's "
To the Police...I don't know.
I want to do something. No need to be a smarty pants. |
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"It's very sad because behind every image is a victim.
They're not ignoring the images they're instead putting the manpower into finding the people making them rather than the people simply _iewing them.
They could prosecute a hundred down ladders and change nothing find the guy making the videos and they can save the child from that hell.
Which is more worth the time?"
Both are worth the time. After all if you get all the people downloading and _iewing there would be less point in the supplier supplying them. Like everything else its supply and demand. Every abuser, be they infront or behind a camera or downloading the finished filth should be equally treated as sick scum. |
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"Sorry for language but "For Fuck sake. !"
Police to downgrade and not persue those who _iew images on line.....
Jesus.....
What msg is this sending out???
They say realisticaly they,ve not the resources...
BOLLOCKS!!
Theres enough resources to chase up car speeding offences and on line trols and bullies...
Fail to see the difference...
Smells of wish to protect influential people to me....
Disgusting..... And I have no children of my even but still feel dissapointed...
It is really bad news for the victims of child abuse and for it to be referred to as child porn turns my stomach and angers me to tears. What can we as parents and concerned individuals do about this though?
Petition anyone?
Petition for what exactly?
Random searches of people's computers?
Monitoring of all internet traffic without warrants?
Going after the downloads is hard they usually get picked up for other things then their pc searched or when they get an uploaded they then go after everyone who paid them.
It makes more sense to go after the producers than the user's
To the Police...I don't know.
I want to do something. No need to be a smarty pants."
Maybe you have a valid suggestion?
Maybe all parents should have a tax added to police their children? , or all men should be castrated unless they can prove they only have an interest in adults...a minefield there.
Am sure the police DO NOT have the resources to monitor this and all the other problems we face as a society.
I no way condone in adults having any sexual contact with children. |
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"It's very sad because behind every image is a victim.
They're not ignoring the images they're instead putting the manpower into finding the people making them rather than the people simply _iewing them.
They could prosecute a hundred down ladders and change nothing find the guy making the videos and they can save the child from that hell.
Which is more worth the time?
Both are worth the time. After all if you get all the people downloading and _iewing there would be less point in the supplier supplying them. Like everything else its supply and demand. Every abuser, be they infront or behind a camera or downloading the finished filth should be equally treated as sick scum."
Right but they don't have that much time available if you want to start a petition to massively increase funding to the police for so ease the load sure.
But equally to go after down loaders effectively they're gonna need a drag net approach so you personally are going to have to give up a lot of your existing personal and civil liberties.
Also u like drugs abusers are gonna abuse as they don't just do it for money but pleasure and they can always sell elsewhere outsid e the uk.
If you got 100 hours to spend it's better that 100 of them go for trying to find the children being abused then pick up the people who paid afterwards than waiting half of them going after the down loaders and thus increasing the time that child is at risk. |
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"Sorry for language but "For Fuck sake. !"
Police to downgrade and not persue those who _iew images on line.....
Jesus.....
What msg is this sending out???
They say realisticaly they,ve not the resources...
BOLLOCKS!!
Theres enough resources to chase up car speeding offences and on line trols and bullies...
Fail to see the difference...
Smells of wish to protect influential people to me....
Disgusting..... And I have no children of my even but still feel dissapointed...
It is really bad news for the victims of child abuse and for it to be referred to as child porn turns my stomach and angers me to tears. What can we as parents and concerned individuals do about this though?
Petition anyone?
Petition for what exactly?
Random searches of people's computers?
Monitoring of all internet traffic without warrants?
Going after the downloads is hard they usually get picked up for other things then their pc searched or when they get an uploaded they then go after everyone who paid them.
It makes more sense to go after the producers than the user's
To the Police...I don't know.
I want to do something. No need to be a smarty pants.
Maybe you have a valid suggestion?
Maybe all parents should have a tax added to police their children? , or all men should be castrated unless they can prove they only have an interest in adults...a minefield there.
Am sure the police DO NOT have the resources to monitor this and all the other problems we face as a society.
I no way condone in adults having any sexual contact with children."
Statistically speaking it's the parents and families who are most likley to abuse their children maybe government installed nanny cams for each parent |
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"It's very sad because behind every image is a victim. "
if people didn't look at such images the pics would not be posted, in my eyes people who download such images are as guilty, the posters are just feeding their habit |
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The bloke who fronted a group of 'ped hunters' was in it for the glory.
He was an ex con who elevated his own status by finding people he could look down on.
He was self appointed and didn't save children or educate abusers.
He set a few traps to lure men into fake meets and enjoyed 'putting the frighteners' on them.
The trap I watched didn't have the slightest effect on the 'pedo'
Problem is that most _iew pedos as knowing and culpable. Not all are. |
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"how come the police dont have the resources but some random blokes from england do (cant mind their names but was a program about them)" yep the program was " the peadophile hunter" yep could,nt agree more.Those fellas deserve an award for services to the comunity.
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"how come the police dont have the resources but some random blokes from england do (cant mind their names but was a program about them)" yep the program was " the peadophile hunter" yep could,nt agree more.Those fellas deserve an award for services to the community.
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"It's very sad because behind every image is a victim.
They're not ignoring the images they're instead putting the manpower into finding the people making them rather than the people simply _iewing them.
They could prosecute a hundred
down ladders and change nothing
find the guy making the videos and
they can save the child from that
hell.
It is similar to the prostitution delema do you prosecute the providor or the john??
Surely if the demand is clamped down on or better still blocked there would not be a market for it.It should be a two pronged assault zero tolerance... Full stop.
Christ whats next...... Not to prosecute johns/ pimps who traffic girls into sex slavery???
Or allow guys in long raincoats to congregate outside childrens play areas/ schools and say " nothing we can do unless they touch!! "
Have we learned nothing from the recent Rotherham / Saville scandals.........
Which is more worth the time?"
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The peado hunter does more harm than good, yes a few got prosecuted but some get away with it because he puts the profiles on 18 plus websites like this one,
As for the police it is hard anything they do is wrong, if they put more money in to catching downloader's someone would complain they need to do more about the people making the images, the fact is they only have a certain amount of money and it has to be spent wisely |
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Because Anyone with an internet connection can _iew them, from any hotspot even hack into your router and _iew them, so would like to be blamed for something you really didn't do? It's harder for people to pinpoint a location of someone accessing these type of images, a lot of people use proxies...not just one or two but maybe 5 +, but it's easier to catch the hosts and makers of the content with honeypot sites. |
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"Sorry for language but "For Fuck sake. !"
Police to downgrade and not persue those who _iew images on line.....
Jesus.....
What msg is this sending out???
They say realisticaly they,ve not the resources...
BOLLOCKS!!
Theres enough resources to chase up car speeding offences and on line trols and bullies...
Fail to see the difference...
Smells of wish to protect influential people to me....
Disgusting..... And I have no children of my even but still feel dissapointed...
It is really bad news for the victims of child abuse and for it to be referred to as child porn turns my stomach and angers me to tears. What can we as parents and concerned individuals do about this though?
Petition anyone?"
Spot on
It is NOT porn, it is abuse of the most vile kind. Disgusting. |
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I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but, I would like to remind you that latest research has proved that some peados can't control what they like or being the way they are, not all are just horny buggers that wanna get kicks, some can't help it, a bit like when transgender people can't help who they are or even gay people.
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"Well, the police should do something.
If the public take the law into their own hands they might accidentally kill the buggers...
...on second thoughts "
So if someone put fake under age photos up here, you _iewed them and some members of the public came and hung you from a lamppost that would be fine? |
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"I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but, I would like to remind you that latest research has proved that some peados can't control what they like or being the way they are, not all are just horny buggers that wanna get kicks, some can't help it, a bit like when transgender people can't help who they are or even gay people.
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Interesting but rubbish - they are notoriously powerful and influential silver tongued buggers.
Send them to a nice Arab country for some Sharia hospitality... |
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"I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but, I would like to remind you that latest research has proved that some peados can't control what they like or being the way they are, not all are just horny buggers that wanna get kicks, some can't help it, a bit like when transgender people can't help who they are or even gay people.
Interesting but rubbish - they are notoriously powerful and influential silver tongued buggers.
Send them to a nice Arab country for some Sharia hospitality..."
Mind you...I said 'some'. The ones that commit the crime are different than the ones that use or _iew the crime. A bit like the drug trade. Go for the makers and it will stop. |
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"I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but, I would like to remind you that latest research has proved that some peados can't control what they like or being the way they are, not all are just horny buggers that wanna get kicks, some can't help it, a bit like when transgender people can't help who they are or even gay people.
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Being transgender or gay isn't a crime.
Raping and otherwise abusing children is and the people that do it know it is. There is never, ever an excuse or an extenuating circumstance. |
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"I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but, I would like to remind you that latest research has proved that some peados can't control what they like or being the way they are, not all are just horny buggers that wanna get kicks, some can't help it, a bit like when transgender people can't help who they are or even gay people.
Being transgender or gay isn't a crime.
Raping and otherwise abusing children is and the people that do it know it is. There is never, ever an excuse or an extenuating circumstance."
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"It's very sad because behind every image is a victim.
if people didn't look at such images the pics would not be posted, in my eyes people who download such images are as guilty, the posters are just feeding their habit"
So if we stop looking at videos of jihadists cutting off people's heads they will stop doing it? Sadly I think not.
This is a chicken and egg situation and I regret the perversion came first as it existed long before photographs were available.
Purchasing the photographs may fund and encourage the perpetrators but we will not stop it by stopping people looking.
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"I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but, I would like to remind you that latest research has proved that some peados can't control what they like or being the way they are, not all are just horny buggers that wanna get kicks, some can't help it, a bit like when transgender people can't help who they are or even gay people.
Being transgender or gay isn't a crime.
Raping and otherwise abusing children is and the people that do it know it is. There is never, ever an excuse or an extenuating circumstance."
There are countries where being gay is a crime. 79 countries to be exact. I'm not defending the abuse to children I'm just making a point that this stuff isn't as straight forward as many think. |
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"I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but, I would like to remind you that latest research has proved that some peados can't control what they like or being the way they are, not all are just horny buggers that wanna get kicks, some can't help it, a bit like when transgender people can't help who they are or even gay people.
Being transgender or gay isn't a crime.
Raping and otherwise abusing children is and the people that do it know it is. There is never, ever an excuse or an extenuating circumstance."
this..
the vast majority of offenders I would suggest are capable of making decisions based on right and wrong..
that they choose to offend is within their 'control'.. |
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"I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but, I would like to remind you that latest research has proved that some peados can't control what they like or being the way they are, not all are just horny buggers that wanna get kicks, some can't help it, a bit like when transgender people can't help who they are or even gay people.
Being transgender or gay isn't a crime.
Raping and otherwise abusing children is and the people that do it know it is. There is never, ever an excuse or an extenuating circumstance.
There are countries where being gay is a crime. 79 countries to be exact. I'm not defending the abuse to children I'm just making a point that this stuff isn't as straight forward as many think."
I am talking about this country.
It is straightforward. A man or woman who is actively abusing a child KNOWS beyond doubt that what they are doing is wrong unless they are mentally ill.
You aren't seriously expecting me to see child abuse as on a par with being gay are you? |
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"I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but, I would like to remind you that latest research has proved that some peados can't control what they like or being the way they are, not all are just horny buggers that wanna get kicks, some can't help it, a bit like when transgender people can't help who they are or even gay people.
Being transgender or gay isn't a crime.
Raping and otherwise abusing children is and the people that do it know it is. There is never, ever an excuse or an extenuating circumstance.
There are countries where being gay is a crime. 79 countries to be exact. I'm not defending the abuse to children I'm just making a point that this stuff isn't as straight forward as many think.
I am talking about this country.
It is straightforward. A man or woman who is actively abusing a child KNOWS beyond doubt that what they are doing is wrong unless they are mentally ill.
You aren't seriously expecting me to see child abuse as on a par with being gay are you? " you do know that most content on the net doesn't come from here.... It comes from Europe, east Europe, and Asia. I'm not saying that child abuse is on par, god you guys are super narrow minded and jump to conclusions it's like talking to my dad.
I am saying some peados can't help their paraphilia, it's in their brain, and this I was comparing it to being gay and how they can't control who they are inside. Gedit? |
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There's a big difference between someone who has those urges and never acts on them, and someone who does act on them.
It'd be good if we could find a way to encourage those with those feelings to come forward and get therapy or medical help to prevent them abusing in the first place. Unfortunately this would be very hard to do as it's obviously an emotional issue. |
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I always wondered why Bill Wyman never got done with the whole Mandy Smith affair.
Knowingly had sex with a minor yet nothing done about it... very strange. |
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"There's a big difference between someone who has those urges and never acts on them, and someone who does act on them.
It'd be good if we could find a way to encourage those with those feelings to come forward and get therapy or medical help to prevent them abusing in the first place. Unfortunately this would be very hard to do as it's obviously an emotional issue."
Unfortunately, they are also extremely manipulative and good at lying. |
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"I always wondered why Bill Wyman never got done with the whole Mandy Smith affair.
Knowingly had sex with a minor yet nothing done about it... very strange."
Don Johnson dated Melanie griffith when she was 14 ... He was 22 |
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"I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but, I would like to remind you that latest research has proved that some peados can't control what they like or being the way they are, not all are just horny buggers that wanna get kicks, some can't help it, a bit like when transgender people can't help who they are or even gay people.
Being transgender or gay isn't a crime.
Raping and otherwise abusing children is and the people that do it know it is. There is never, ever an excuse or an extenuating circumstance.
There are countries where being gay is a crime. 79 countries to be exact. I'm not defending the abuse to children I'm just making a point that this stuff isn't as straight forward as many think.
I am talking about this country.
It is straightforward. A man or woman who is actively abusing a child KNOWS beyond doubt that what they are doing is wrong unless they are mentally ill.
You aren't seriously expecting me to see child abuse as on a par with being gay are you? you do know that most content on the net doesn't come from here.... It comes from Europe, east Europe, and Asia. I'm not saying that child abuse is on par, god you guys are super narrow minded and jump to conclusions it's like talking to my dad.
I am saying some peados can't help their paraphilia, it's in their brain, and this I was comparing it to being gay and how they can't control who they are inside. Gedit? "
Lol. What has the origin of the content on the net got to do with the price of fish (does your dad say that)?
I have heard the argument that paedophiles can't help themselves and I don't buy it, it isn't narrow mindedness or being like your dad.
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"I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but, I would like to remind you that latest research has proved that some peados can't control what they like or being the way they are, not all are just horny buggers that wanna get kicks, some can't help it, a bit like when transgender people can't help who they are or even gay people.
Being transgender or gay isn't a crime.
Raping and otherwise abusing children is and the people that do it know it is. There is never, ever an excuse or an extenuating circumstance.
There are countries where being gay is a crime. 79 countries to be exact. I'm not defending the abuse to children I'm just making a point that this stuff isn't as straight forward as many think.
I am talking about this country.
It is straightforward. A man or woman who is actively abusing a child KNOWS beyond doubt that what they are doing is wrong unless they are mentally ill.
You aren't seriously expecting me to see child abuse as on a par with being gay are you? you do know that most content on the net doesn't come from here.... It comes from Europe, east Europe, and Asia. I'm not saying that child abuse is on par, god you guys are super narrow minded and jump to conclusions it's like talking to my dad.
I am saying some peados can't help their paraphilia, it's in their brain, and this I was comparing it to being gay and how they can't control who they are inside. Gedit?
Lol. What has the origin of the content on the net got to do with the price of fish (does your dad say that)?
I have heard the argument that paedophiles can't help themselves and I don't buy it, it isn't narrow mindedness or being like your dad.
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I agree with you. Its like saying that rapists can't help it. Its a get out of jail free card. A lie. |
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"I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but, I would like to remind you that latest research has proved that some peados can't control what they like or being the way they are, not all are just horny buggers that wanna get kicks, some can't help it, a bit like when transgender people can't help who they are or even gay people.
Being transgender or gay isn't a crime.
Raping and otherwise abusing children is and the people that do it know it is. There is never, ever an excuse or an extenuating circumstance.
There are countries where being gay is a crime. 79 countries to be exact. I'm not defending the abuse to children I'm just making a point that this stuff isn't as straight forward as many think.
I am talking about this country.
It is straightforward. A man or woman who is actively abusing a child KNOWS beyond doubt that what they are doing is wrong unless they are mentally ill.
You aren't seriously expecting me to see child abuse as on a par with being gay are you? you do know that most content on the net doesn't come from here.... It comes from Europe, east Europe, and Asia. I'm not saying that child abuse is on par, god you guys are super narrow minded and jump to conclusions it's like talking to my dad.
I am saying some peados can't help their paraphilia, it's in their brain, and this I was comparing it to being gay and how they can't control who they are inside. Gedit? "
Mind you it would be like speaking to your dad I'm probably the same age or older than him. Does he also tell you to be a little more patient and polite when engaging in a discussion? |
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I wonder whether they can stop, those convicted and being watched reoffend, not all.
I also seem to remember how in other countries known offenders are chemically castrated, which is very effective.
Here in the UK, it isn't enforced ? |
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I think people misunderstand exactly why and how it's possible for 'images' to end up on your computer WITHOUT your knowledge.
SOme of course know exactly what they're doing but you might want to know it's not downloading but MAKING an image in legal terms.
Think how much detritus remains from _iewing legal porn or any web traffic on your computer right now - you've no idea it's there - but if any are on the copine scale you've committed an offence of making an image - just like that.
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"I always wondered why Bill Wyman never got done with the whole Mandy Smith affair.
Knowingly had sex with a minor yet nothing done about it... very strange.
Don Johnson dated Melanie griffith when she was 14 ... He was 22 "
Wyman was in his forties and it seems very few people have an opinion about the on here or anywhere else for that matter.
Find it very odd. Any other 40 year old bloke would be hung out to dry and rightly so, yet a famous rock star does it with immunity. |
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"I always wondered why Bill Wyman never got done with the whole Mandy Smith affair.
Knowingly had sex with a minor yet nothing done about it... very strange.
Don Johnson dated Melanie griffith when she was 14 ... He was 22
Wyman was in his forties and it seems very few people have an opinion about the on here or anywhere else for that matter.
Find it very odd. Any other 40 year old bloke would be hung out to dry and rightly so, yet a famous rock star does it with immunity. "
It seems the whole 'musician and groupie'' scene has been quietly ignored.
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"I always wondered why Bill Wyman never got done with the whole Mandy Smith affair.
Knowingly had sex with a minor yet nothing done about it... very strange.
Don Johnson dated Melanie griffith when she was 14 ... He was 22
Wyman was in his forties and it seems very few people have an opinion about the on here or anywhere else for that matter.
Find it very odd. Any other 40 year old bloke would be hung out to dry and rightly so, yet a famous rock star does it with immunity.
It seems the whole 'musician and groupie'' scene has been quietly ignored.
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Didn't she admit what happened in her autobiography, should be an open and shut case if that's true? |
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"I always wondered why Bill Wyman never got done with the whole Mandy Smith affair.
Knowingly had sex with a minor yet nothing done about it... very strange.
Don Johnson dated Melanie griffith when she was 14 ... He was 22
Wyman was in his forties and it seems very few people have an opinion about the on here or anywhere else for that matter.
Find it very odd. Any other 40 year old bloke would be hung out to dry and rightly so, yet a famous rock star does it with immunity.
It seems the whole 'musician and groupie'' scene has been quietly ignored.
Didn't she admit what happened in her autobiography, should be an open and shut case if that's true?"
John Peel admitted to living with a 14 year old in his autobiography.
I'd love to know what happened with underage groupies and rock stars like Led Zepp etc |
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"I always wondered why Bill Wyman never got done with the whole Mandy Smith affair.
Knowingly had sex with a minor yet nothing done about it... very strange.
Don Johnson dated Melanie griffith when she was 14 ... He was 22
Wyman was in his forties and it seems very few people have an opinion about the on here or anywhere else for that matter.
Find it very odd. Any other 40 year old bloke would be hung out to dry and rightly so, yet a famous rock star does it with immunity.
It seems the whole 'musician and groupie'' scene has been quietly ignored.
Didn't she admit what happened in her autobiography, should be an open and shut case if that's true?
John Peel admitted to living with a 14 year old in his autobiography.
I'd love to know what happened with underage groupies and rock stars like Led Zepp etc"
it's madness, there doesn't seem to be any outrage anywhere about this... cannot get my head around this. |
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