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"Now I am not totally up on all the details but does anyone think he may not be 100% guilty????" The courts said he was the physical evidence was there to say they had sex and she was so d*unk to put in question consent. Its a less on for everyone. | |||
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"Now I am not totally up on all the details but does anyone think he may not be 100% guilty????" it is a weird case in that in that they all agree the woman was d*unk and she could not have consented... the strange thing was that there were 2 of them up on charges, he was found guilty, the other footballer was found not guilty... i don't see how any football club will take him on without the backlash it will cause | |||
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"A very dangerous conviction surely? So d*unk that she cannot recall either a yes or a no?...I am not condoning rape plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz believe me but beyond a reasonable doubt?" So d*unk that a man shouldn't be taking her back to his hotel room and having sex with her? | |||
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"A very dangerous conviction surely? So d*unk that she cannot recall either a yes or a no?...I am not condoning rape plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz believe me but beyond a reasonable doubt?" No she was incapable of coherent speech so didn't give verbal consent. If a woman is so d*unk do you take advantage and fuck? | |||
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"A very dangerous conviction surely? So d*unk that she cannot recall either a yes or a no?...I am not condoning rape plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz believe me but beyond a reasonable doubt? No she was incapable of coherent speech so didn't give verbal consent. If a woman is so d*unk do you take advantage and fuck?" Some do......I can tell you that first hand  | |||
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"A very dangerous conviction surely? So d*unk that she cannot recall either a yes or a no?...I am not condoning rape plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz believe me but beyond a reasonable doubt? No she was incapable of coherent speech so didn't give verbal consent. If a woman is so d*unk do you take advantage and fuck?" Some men certainly do. And then argue the woman shouldn't have drank so much | |||
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"ok and your moment of clarity was because you hadn't been drinking?...Evans had been drinking?" And that makes it better? Really? I am shocked I really am if you think alcohol excludes you from rape. | |||
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"and how safe the conviction was." You have already said that you don't know the full circumstances. He was found guilty. And an appeal failed. So why do you think that the conviction is unsafe? | |||
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"A very dangerous conviction surely? So d*unk that she cannot recall either a yes or a no?...I am not condoning rape plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz believe me but beyond a reasonable doubt?" The law regards anyone too d*unk to say yes or no to be incapable of giving informed consent so it is automatically rape. | |||
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"It's such a blurry law (excuse the pun) but it's true!!" Its not blurry at all and I am sure you will be grateful when you stagger home from the dog & duck and get buggered five ways from Wednesday over the chip shop bench.  | |||
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"It's such a blurry law (excuse the pun) but it's true!! Its not blurry at all and I am sure you will be grateful when you stagger home from the dog & duck and get buggered five ways from Wednesday over the chip shop bench. "So, have you ever fucked anyone who was d*unk? Personally, I've never been d*unk enough to not be able to say the words yes or no - but I have woken to find an ex riding me, - too late for a yes or no, then, I guess! Like the op, I don't know this case but if it's true that she can't remember saying yes or no, how could it be proved in court??? Like I said, I very blurry case!! | |||
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"It saddens me that people assume that it's the woman that's to blame. She's been raped, she's been outed on twitter by friends of Evans' and had to leave her home town as a result. But apparently because she was pissed it was her fault and not the man who took advantage of her d*unken state" Nobody has said it was he fault because she got pissed on this thread thats a fabrication. | |||
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"It saddens me that people assume that it's the woman that's to blame. She's been raped, she's been outed on twitter by friends of Evans' and had to leave her home town as a result. But apparently because she was pissed it was her fault and not the man who took advantage of her d*unken state" There is a lot of victim blaming sadly when it comes to rape. Instead of teaching girls to be vigilant of predators and to not put themselves in dangerous situations as the primary rape deterrent we should be teaching boys that rape is deplorable and set examples for them. | |||
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"It saddens me that people assume that it's the woman that's to blame. She's been raped, she's been outed on twitter by friends of Evans' and had to leave her home town as a result. But apparently because she was pissed it was her fault and not the man who took advantage of her d*unken state There is a lot of victim blaming sadly when it comes to rape. Instead of teaching girls to be vigilant of predators and to not put themselves in dangerous situations as the primary rape deterrent we should be teaching boys that rape is deplorable and set examples for them." That already happens he was convicted read the news feeds! And don't assume its always the woman who is the victim that is an incredibly sexist assumption. | |||
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"The reason why Evans got convicted and McDonald acquited is because Mcdonald texted Evans from the hotel and boasted to him that he had 'pulled a bird'. Evans then left his mother's house, went to the hotel, let himself in the room and had sex with a woman so d*unk that she was seen on CCTV unable to stand. Evans' actions were totally predatory, neither the victim or McDonald invited him there. " So she was able to consent to Mcdonald but not ched? No alcohol was consumed between the time her and Mcdonald got the taxi to the time ched left the hotel,so why was it right for 1 and not the other. Plus as said before no appeal was lost it wasn't granted,but now he is out he can appeal again and it go's infront of 3 judges not just 1 this time | |||
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"It saddens me that people assume that it's the woman that's to blame. She's been raped, she's been outed on twitter by friends of Evans' and had to leave her home town as a result. But apparently because she was pissed it was her fault and not the man who took advantage of her d*unken state Nobody has said it was he fault because she got pissed on this thread thats a fabrication. " But that's the clear implication - that her being intoxicated is mitigating circumstances for Evans. If that's not the case why else does the fact that she was d*unk keep being mentioned by people questioning the conviction? | |||
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"It's such a blurry law (excuse the pun) but it's true!! Its not blurry at all and I am sure you will be grateful when you stagger home from the dog & duck and get buggered five ways from Wednesday over the chip shop bench.
So, have you ever fucked anyone who was d*unk?
Personally, I've never been d*unk enough to not be able to say the words yes or no - but I have woken to find an ex riding me, - too late for a yes or no, then, I guess!
Like the op, I don't know this case but if it's true that she can't remember saying yes or no, how could it be proved in court???
Like I said, I very blurry case!!"She wasn't to d*unk to go back and pick up her pizza. | |||
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"It saddens me that people assume that it's the woman that's to blame. She's been raped, she's been outed on twitter by friends of Evans' and had to leave her home town as a result. But apparently because she was pissed it was her fault and not the man who took advantage of her d*unken state There is a lot of victim blaming sadly when it comes to rape. Instead of teaching girls to be vigilant of predators and to not put themselves in dangerous situations as the primary rape deterrent we should be teaching boys that rape is deplorable and set examples for them. That already happens he was convicted read the news feeds! And don't assume its always the woman who is the victim that is an incredibly sexist assumption." The stats for victims are 7:1 female to male. But the overwhelming number of perpetrators are male. Male on male. Male on female. If we teach boys comprehensively at school age then it might bring the numbers down. | |||
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"It saddens me that people assume that it's the woman that's to blame. She's been raped, she's been outed on twitter by friends of Evans' and had to leave her home town as a result. But apparently because she was pissed it was her fault and not the man who took advantage of her d*unken state Nobody has said it was he fault because she got pissed on this thread thats a fabrication. But that's the clear implication - that her being intoxicated is mitigating circumstances for Evans. If that's not the case why else does the fact that she was d*unk keep being mentioned by people questioning the conviction? " No its not its a clear attempt by yourself to put words into others mouths. It would be like me saying you had a pure hatred of footballers when there is nothing to substantiate it. | |||
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"The reason why Evans got convicted and McDonald acquited is because Mcdonald texted Evans from the hotel and boasted to him that he had 'pulled a bird'. Evans then left his mother's house, went to the hotel, let himself in the room and had sex with a woman so d*unk that she was seen on CCTV unable to stand. Evans' actions were totally predatory, neither the victim or McDonald invited him there. So she was able to consent to Mcdonald but not ched? No alcohol was consumed between the time her and Mcdonald got the taxi to the time ched left the hotel,so why was it right for 1 and not the other. Plus as said before no appeal was lost it wasn't granted,but now he is out he can appeal again and it go's infront of 3 judges not just 1 this time" She went back to a hotel with McDonald. And even though she was too d*unk too walk a conviction in those circumstances is always going to be unlikely whether she consented or not. She didn't go back with Evans. she didn't invite him there. McDonald didn't invite him there. Evans left his mother's home and invited himself to the hotel. | |||
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"It saddens me that people assume that it's the woman that's to blame. She's been raped, she's been outed on twitter by friends of Evans' and had to leave her home town as a result. But apparently because she was pissed it was her fault and not the man who took advantage of her d*unken state There is a lot of victim blaming sadly when it comes to rape. Instead of teaching girls to be vigilant of predators and to not put themselves in dangerous situations as the primary rape deterrent we should be teaching boys that rape is deplorable and set examples for them. That already happens he was convicted read the news feeds! And don't assume its always the woman who is the victim that is an incredibly sexist assumption. The stats for victims are 7:1 female to male. But the overwhelming number of perpetrators are male. Male on male. Male on female. If we teach boys comprehensively at school age then it might bring the numbers down. " Apart form that a far higher number of men don't report cases due to the shame they feel. But thats besides the point your comments still portrayed all the offenders to be make and females victims which is clearly not the case. | |||
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"It's just like when John Leslie had a case against him by one woman ...... Then about 50 other women came forward. Would that harm a case that was legit due to the fact there was so many others come forward ?? As I dont know the full case but what happened to all the cases put against him??!!" The Ched Evans one is very different you may be better taking 5 mins to google and read up on it. | |||
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"It saddens me that people assume that it's the woman that's to blame. She's been raped, she's been outed on twitter by friends of Evans' and had to leave her home town as a result. But apparently because she was pissed it was her fault and not the man who took advantage of her d*unken state There is a lot of victim blaming sadly when it comes to rape. Instead of teaching girls to be vigilant of predators and to not put themselves in dangerous situations as the primary rape deterrent we should be teaching boys that rape is deplorable and set examples for them. That already happens he was convicted read the news feeds! And don't assume its always the woman who is the victim that is an incredibly sexist assumption. The stats for victims are 7:1 female to male. But the overwhelming number of perpetrators are male. Male on male. Male on female. If we teach boys comprehensively at school age then it might bring the numbers down. Apart form that a far higher number of men don't report cases due to the shame they feel. But thats besides the point your comments still portrayed all the offenders to be make and females victims which is clearly not the case." Where did I say all the offenders were male? I was referring to the blame culture around this case which is reflected in the general blame culture around rape of women. | |||
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"It's just like when John Leslie had a case against him by one woman ...... Then about 50 other women came forward. Would that harm a case that was legit due to the fact there was so many others come forward ?? As I dont know the full case but what happened to all the cases put against him??!!" How is it "just like" John Leslie? | |||
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"It saddens me that people assume that it's the woman that's to blame. She's been raped, she's been outed on twitter by friends of Evans' and had to leave her home town as a result. But apparently because she was pissed it was her fault and not the man who took advantage of her d*unken state There is a lot of victim blaming sadly when it comes to rape. Instead of teaching girls to be vigilant of predators and to not put themselves in dangerous situations as the primary rape deterrent we should be teaching boys that rape is deplorable and set examples for them. That already happens he was convicted read the news feeds! And don't assume its always the woman who is the victim that is an incredibly sexist assumption. The stats for victims are 7:1 female to male. But the overwhelming number of perpetrators are male. Male on male. Male on female. If we teach boys comprehensively at school age then it might bring the numbers down. Apart form that a far higher number of men don't report cases due to the shame they feel. But thats besides the point your comments still portrayed all the offenders to be make and females victims which is clearly not the case. Where did I say all the offenders were male? I was referring to the blame culture around this case which is reflected in the general blame culture around rape of women. " Do I have to do it all for you!!! "teaching girls to be vigilant of predators and to not put themselves in dangerous situations as the primary rape deterrent we should be teaching boys that rape is deplorable" | |||
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"It's such a blurry law (excuse the pun) but it's true!! Its not blurry at all and I am sure you will be grateful when you stagger home from the dog & duck and get buggered five ways from Wednesday over the chip shop bench.
So, have you ever fucked anyone who was d*unk?
Personally, I've never been d*unk enough to not be able to say the words yes or no - but I have woken to find an ex riding me, - too late for a yes or no, then, I guess!
Like the op, I don't know this case but if it's true that she can't remember saying yes or no, how could it be proved in court???
Like I said, I very blurry case!!
She wasn't to d*unk to go back and pick up her pizza."It would have to have been a pavement pizza in this case, surely, - diced carrots & all!! | |||
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" Do I have to do it all for you!!! "teaching girls to be vigilant of predators and to not put themselves in dangerous situations as the primary rape deterrent we should be teaching boys that rape is deplorable" " Teaching one group does not preclude teaching another. No where did I imply that women shouldn't be taught the same thing. But seeing as the overwhelming number of perpetrators are men that's a good start! Stop twisting things to make a ridiculous point. | |||
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"To see the cctv of her walking unaided into the hotel look at the ched Evans website.other factors about the case are outlined.its well worth a look as the details are not at all straightforward and indicate a very unsafe conviction.my belief is he will win on appeal as there appears to be other evidence and facts to be aired." She did walk unaided you are correct though she did fall at one point she was coherent to staff apparently though obviously inebriated the guy who was with her who had sex wasn't prosecuted. Evans however turned up after texts from the guy there expecting a threesome with the woman. This is an important case for anyone in the swinging scene getting involved in a threesome with a woman or man who is inebriated as president has been set. | |||
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" Do I have to do it all for you!!! "teaching girls to be vigilant of predators and to not put themselves in dangerous situations as the primary rape deterrent we should be teaching boys that rape is deplorable" Teaching one group does not preclude teaching another. No where did I imply that women shouldn't be taught the same thing. But seeing as the overwhelming number of perpetrators are men that's a good start! Stop twisting things to make a ridiculous point. " Twisting I am not you just make assumptions as did Evans and both of you are wrong. Assuming things gets people into trouble you may wish to take that lesson on board. | |||
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"To see the cctv of her walking unaided into the hotel look at the ched Evans website.other factors about the case are outlined.its well worth a look as the details are not at all straightforward and indicate a very unsafe conviction.my belief is he will win on appeal as there appears to be other evidence and facts to be aired. She did walk unaided you are correct though she did fall at one point she was coherent to staff apparently though obviously inebriated the guy who was with her who had sex wasn't prosecuted. Evans however turned up after texts from the guy there expecting a threesome with the woman. This is an important case for anyone in the swinging scene getting involved in a threesome with a woman or man who is inebriated as president has been set. " Err the guy that she was with was prosecuted and acquited
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"The case is unusual.the women did not complain she had been raped.the police brought charges.two men had sex with her only Evans was found guilty of rape his team mate not found guilty.? Both maintain she consented.look at the ched Evans website its very interesting in outlining the way the case was conducted and judges direction.fact is an appeal was not lost....it was not granted.other factors about the alleged victims conduct both before and after the event ...social network alleged statements.its far from straightforward and smacks of a sordid shag gone wrong .well worth a look."  | |||
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"I think more people would say "he has served his time, let him get on with the rest of his life" if it wasn't for 2 things... 1) he has shown no remorse at all.... he doesn't believe he did anything wrong at all" Unless you have been in prison with him you don't have a clue if he has shown remorse so please get your facts right. More so he wouldn't have been given early release from his sentence if he hadn't. | |||
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"I think more people would say "he has served his time, let him get on with the rest of his life" if it wasn't for 2 things... 1) he has shown no remorse at all.... he doesn't believe he did anything wrong at all Unless you have been in prison with him you don't have a clue if he has shown remorse so please get your facts right. More so he wouldn't have been given early release from his sentence if he hadn't. " actually you get 50% off for good behaviour plus time he spend on remand... so for a 5 year sentence 2 1/2 is bout what is served and every statement he has released from the time he was found guity states he believes he is innocence and has not shown any remorse for any of his actions... look at the statements issued by both him and the girlfriend who stood by him | |||
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"I think more people would say "he has served his time, let him get on with the rest of his life" if it wasn't for 2 things... 1) he has shown no remorse at all.... he doesn't believe he did anything wrong at all Unless you have been in prison with him you don't have a clue if he has shown remorse so please get your facts right. More so he wouldn't have been given early release from his sentence if he hadn't. " I think his own website and the tagline "Chad Evans was wrongly convicted of rape" may just be an indication of his lack of remorse. Or the bit where it says "he maintains his total innocence". Or the bit where it refers to the conviction as "a gross miscarriage of justice". | |||
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"To see the cctv of her walking unaided into the hotel look at the ched Evans website.other factors about the case are outlined.its well worth a look as the details are not at all straightforward and indicate a very unsafe conviction.my belief is he will win on appeal as there appears to be other evidence and facts to be aired. She did walk unaided you are correct though she did fall at one point she was coherent to staff apparently though obviously inebriated the guy who was with her who had sex wasn't prosecuted. Evans however turned up after texts from the guy there expecting a threesome with the woman. This is an important case for anyone in the swinging scene getting involved in a threesome with a woman or man who is inebriated as president has been set. Err the guy that she was with was prosecuted and acquited
And it's not an important case for swinging. Well unless you are the sort of person that joins in with 2 others with no expressed consent"Darling just because I pulled you up for fabricating things you can put your baby fangs away. you obviously know very little about legal president and even less about how traumatic it is for someone to be taken to trial convicted or not. The cps thought they had a case on both men that's why it went to trial. As for relevance to swinging or any other sex with someone who is intoxicated! Really are you that naive? | |||
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"It's such a blurry law (excuse the pun) but it's true!! Its not blurry at all and I am sure you will be grateful when you stagger home from the dog & duck and get buggered five ways from Wednesday over the chip shop bench.
So, have you ever fucked anyone who was d*unk?
Personally, I've never been d*unk enough to not be able to say the words yes or no - but I have woken to find an ex riding me, - too late for a yes or no, then, I guess!
Like the op, I don't know this case but if it's true that she can't remember saying yes or no, how could it be proved in court???
Like I said, I very blurry case!!
She wasn't to d*unk to go back and pick up her pizza.
It would have to have been a pavement pizza in this case, surely, - diced carrots & all!! "Try watching the video | |||
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" Do I have to do it all for you!!! "teaching girls to be vigilant of predators and to not put themselves in dangerous situations as the primary rape deterrent we should be teaching boys that rape is deplorable" Teaching one group does not preclude teaching another. No where did I imply that women shouldn't be taught the same thing. But seeing as the overwhelming number of perpetrators are men that's a good start! Stop twisting things to make a ridiculous point. Twisting I am not you just make assumptions as did Evans and both of you are wrong. Assuming things gets people into trouble you may wish to take that lesson on board. " Assumptions? What nonsense, it's FACT! Men are the majority of perpetrators of rape - FACT And I don't need a lesson from anyone who doesn't know that precedence is not spelled president! | |||
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"I think more people would say "he has served his time, let him get on with the rest of his life" if it wasn't for 2 things... 1) he has shown no remorse at all.... he doesn't believe he did anything wrong at all Unless you have been in prison with him you don't have a clue if he has shown remorse so please get your facts right. More so he wouldn't have been given early release from his sentence if he hadn't. I think his own website and the tagline "Chad Evans was wrongly convicted of rape" may just be an indication of his lack of remorse. Or the bit where it says "he maintains his total innocence". Or the bit where it refers to the conviction as "a gross miscarriage of justice"." Oh now naive you are he has been in prison the site hasn't been run by him how old are you again? | |||
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"I think more people would say "he has served his time, let him get on with the rest of his life" if it wasn't for 2 things... 1) he has shown no remorse at all.... he doesn't believe he did anything wrong at all Unless you have been in prison with him you don't have a clue if he has shown remorse so please get your facts right. More so he wouldn't have been given early release from his sentence if he hadn't. I think his own website and the tagline "Chad Evans was wrongly convicted of rape" may just be an indication of his lack of remorse. Or the bit where it says "he maintains his total innocence". Or the bit where it refers to the conviction as "a gross miscarriage of justice"." Crystal you comments are very ched negative | |||
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" Do I have to do it all for you!!! "teaching girls to be vigilant of predators and to not put themselves in dangerous situations as the primary rape deterrent we should be teaching boys that rape is deplorable" Teaching one group does not preclude teaching another. No where did I imply that women shouldn't be taught the same thing. But seeing as the overwhelming number of perpetrators are men that's a good start! Stop twisting things to make a ridiculous point. Twisting I am not you just make assumptions as did Evans and both of you are wrong. Assuming things gets people into trouble you may wish to take that lesson on board. Assumptions? What nonsense, it's FACT! Men are the majority of perpetrators of rape - FACT And I don't need a lesson from anyone who doesn't know that precedence is not spelled president! " Assumptions darling men are victims too you even said it yourself though you failed to address the fact. Majority is not all so why not address warnings to all not target specific groups. I hope you have learnt your lesson. | |||
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"To see the cctv of her walking unaided into the hotel look at the ched Evans website.other factors about the case are outlined.its well worth a look as the details are not at all straightforward and indicate a very unsafe conviction.my belief is he will win on appeal as there appears to be other evidence and facts to be aired. She did walk unaided you are correct though she did fall at one point she was coherent to staff apparently though obviously inebriated the guy who was with her who had sex wasn't prosecuted. Evans however turned up after texts from the guy there expecting a threesome with the woman. This is an important case for anyone in the swinging scene getting involved in a threesome with a woman or man who is inebriated as president has been set. Err the guy that she was with was prosecuted and acquited
And it's not an important case for swinging. Well unless you are the sort of person that joins in with 2 others with no expressed consent
Darling just because I pulled you up for fabricating things you can put your baby fangs away. you obviously know very little about legal president and even less about how traumatic it is for someone to be taken to trial convicted or not. The cps thought they had a case on both men that's why it went to trial. As for relevance to swinging or any other sex with someone who is intoxicated! Really are you that naive? "I fully understand what a legal precedent is. | |||
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"To see the cctv of her walking unaided into the hotel look at the ched Evans website.other factors about the case are outlined.its well worth a look as the details are not at all straightforward and indicate a very unsafe conviction.my belief is he will win on appeal as there appears to be other evidence and facts to be aired. She did walk unaided you are correct though she did fall at one point she was coherent to staff apparently though obviously inebriated the guy who was with her who had sex wasn't prosecuted. Evans however turned up after texts from the guy there expecting a threesome with the woman. This is an important case for anyone in the swinging scene getting involved in a threesome with a woman or man who is inebriated as president has been set. Err the guy that she was with was prosecuted and acquited
And it's not an important case for swinging. Well unless you are the sort of person that joins in with 2 others with no expressed consent
Darling just because I pulled you up for fabricating things you can put your baby fangs away. you obviously know very little about legal president and even less about how traumatic it is for someone to be taken to trial convicted or not. The cps thought they had a case on both men that's why it went to trial. As for relevance to swinging or any other sex with someone who is intoxicated! Really are you that naive?
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"I think more people would say "he has served his time, let him get on with the rest of his life" if it wasn't for 2 things... 1) he has shown no remorse at all.... he doesn't believe he did anything wrong at all Unless you have been in prison with him you don't have a clue if he has shown remorse so please get your facts right. More so he wouldn't have been given early release from his sentence if he hadn't. I think his own website and the tagline "Chad Evans was wrongly convicted of rape" may just be an indication of his lack of remorse. Or the bit where it says "he maintains his total innocence". Or the bit where it refers to the conviction as "a gross miscarriage of justice". Oh now naive you are he has been in prison the site hasn't been run by him how old are you again?" You mean his official site that was updated today after his relief? What has my age got to do with anything? | |||
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"I think more people would say "he has served his time, let him get on with the rest of his life" if it wasn't for 2 things... 1) he has shown no remorse at all.... he doesn't believe he did anything wrong at all Unless you have been in prison with him you don't have a clue if he has shown remorse so please get your facts right. More so he wouldn't have been given early release from his sentence if he hadn't. actually you get 50% off for good behaviour plus time he spend on remand... so for a 5 year sentence 2 1/2 is bout what is served and every statement he has released from the time he was found guity states he believes he is innocence and has not shown any remorse for any of his actions... look at the statements issued by both him and the girlfriend who stood by him" he released those statements and is appealing because he strongly believes he is innocent and I that he will win the appeal and he is someone that knows all the facts about the case. I for one will be looking out for the outcome because this is a far from a straight forward rape case. | |||
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"Quick question. . Women can be legally found to be too d*unk to consent. . Can a man claim he was too d*unk to understand consent ? " I think a person should be held accountable for their actions under the influence or otherwise. Same as when a person drink drives - I've never heard of anyone being let off a death by dangerous driving charge or similar because they were too inebriated to understand the potential consequences of their actions. crystal | |||
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"I think more people would say "he has served his time, let him get on with the rest of his life" if it wasn't for 2 things... 1) he has shown no remorse at all.... he doesn't believe he did anything wrong at all Unless you have been in prison with him you don't have a clue if he has shown remorse so please get your facts right. More so he wouldn't have been given early release from his sentence if he hadn't. I think his own website and the tagline "Chad Evans was wrongly convicted of rape" may just be an indication of his lack of remorse. Or the bit where it says "he maintains his total innocence". Or the bit where it refers to the conviction as "a gross miscarriage of justice". Crystal you comments are very ched negative" If you mean that I don't believe him to be innocent then yes I guess they are negative. | |||
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"To see the cctv of her walking unaided into the hotel look at the ched Evans website.other factors about the case are outlined.its well worth a look as the details are not at all straightforward and indicate a very unsafe conviction.my belief is he will win on appeal as there appears to be other evidence and facts to be aired. She did walk unaided you are correct though she did fall at one point she was coherent to staff apparently though obviously inebriated the guy who was with her who had sex wasn't prosecuted. Evans however turned up after texts from the guy there expecting a threesome with the woman. This is an important case for anyone in the swinging scene getting involved in a threesome with a woman or man who is inebriated as president has been set. " I've been out drinking and fallen but not because of drink but stepping on uneven ground. Stumbling whilst d*unk doesn't mean you are incoherent | |||
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"I think he should be able to return to Football, he's served his time. If he had a 'normal' everyday job like one of us, there wouldn't be a petition started nationwide like there has been for him. I also think the fact he's going to appeal again after his release, speaks volumes." There wouldn't be a national petition but I know that other people not in the public eye rarely return to their job or pick up where they left off on release. We're not so forgiving of Joe the convicted rapist who used to work in our office and lives 3 doors down. | |||
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"Quick question. . Women can be legally found to be too d*unk to consent. . Can a man claim he was too d*unk to understand consent ? " no... because he wouldn't be the victim, the person he was doing the action to would be the victim... and ignorance of the law would be no excuse.... it would be like me claiming in europe I wasn't speeding because the signs were in kph rather than mph | |||
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"I think he should be able to return to Football, he's served his time. If he had a 'normal' everyday job like one of us, there wouldn't be a petition started nationwide like there has been for him. I also think the fact he's going to appeal again after his release, speaks volumes. There wouldn't be a national petition but I know that other people not in the public eye rarely return to their job or pick up where they left off on release. We're not so forgiving of Joe the convicted rapist who used to work in our office and lives 3 doors down. " He gets put on a register, everyone demands to know where he lives and if he's within a certain distance of a school and he probably gets his front door kicked in and his property vandalised. Footballers and other 'celebrities' continue to be idolised by those same people who want to be vigilante against Joe. crystal | |||
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"I think more people would say "he has served his time, let him get on with the rest of his life" if it wasn't for 2 things... 1) he has shown no remorse at all.... he doesn't believe he did anything wrong at all Unless you have been in prison with him you don't have a clue if he has shown remorse so please get your facts right. More so he wouldn't have been given early release from his sentence if he hadn't. actually you get 50% off for good behaviour plus time he spend on remand... so for a 5 year sentence 2 1/2 is bout what is served and every statement he has released from the time he was found guity states he believes he is innocence and has not shown any remorse for any of his actions... look at the statements issued by both him and the girlfriend who stood by him" Every statement? That's a bold claim post the links please to substantiate your claim. | |||
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"I think more people would say "he has served his time, let him get on with the rest of his life" if it wasn't for 2 things... 1) he has shown no remorse at all.... he doesn't believe he did anything wrong at all Unless you have been in prison with him you don't have a clue if he has shown remorse so please get your facts right. More so he wouldn't have been given early release from his sentence if he hadn't. actually you get 50% off for good behaviour plus time he spend on remand... so for a 5 year sentence 2 1/2 is bout what is served and every statement he has released from the time he was found guity states he believes he is innocence and has not shown any remorse for any of his actions... look at the statements issued by both him and the girlfriend who stood by him he released those statements and is appealing because he strongly believes he is innocent and I that he will win the appeal and he is someone that knows all the facts about the case. I for one will be looking out for the outcome because this is a far from a straight forward rape case. " What is a straightforward rape case? Most rapes are committed by someone known to the victim. | |||
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"I think more people would say "he has served his time, let him get on with the rest of his life" if it wasn't for 2 things... 1) he has shown no remorse at all.... he doesn't believe he did anything wrong at all Unless you have been in prison with him you don't have a clue if he has shown remorse so please get your facts right. More so he wouldn't have been given early release from his sentence if he hadn't. actually you get 50% off for good behaviour plus time he spend on remand... so for a 5 year sentence 2 1/2 is bout what is served and every statement he has released from the time he was found guity states he believes he is innocence and has not shown any remorse for any of his actions... look at the statements issued by both him and the girlfriend who stood by him Every statement? That's a bold claim post the links please to substantiate your claim. " maybe show us a statement where he has shown remorse? | |||
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" Assumptions darling men are victims too you even said it yourself though you failed to address the fact. Majority is not all so why not address warnings to all not target specific groups. I hope you have learnt your lesson." How can I fail to address a fact when I've acknowledged it? Majority isn't all, but it would be a great start. | |||
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"I think more people would say "he has served his time, let him get on with the rest of his life" if it wasn't for 2 things... 1) he has shown no remorse at all.... he doesn't believe he did anything wrong at all Unless you have been in prison with him you don't have a clue if he has shown remorse so please get your facts right. More so he wouldn't have been given early release from his sentence if he hadn't. actually you get 50% off for good behaviour plus time he spend on remand... so for a 5 year sentence 2 1/2 is bout what is served and every statement he has released from the time he was found guity states he believes he is innocence and has not shown any remorse for any of his actions... look at the statements issued by both him and the girlfriend who stood by him he released those statements and is appealing because he strongly believes he is innocent and I that he will win the appeal and he is someone that knows all the facts about the case. I for one will be looking out for the outcome because this is a far from a straight forward rape case. " | |||
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" What is a straightforward rape case? Most rapes are committed by someone known to the victim." I suspect no one is going to answer that! | |||
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"If he believes he is innocent...why would he show remorse? We wouldn't." A fair point. I understand his first appeal failed so he now has a new legal team to launch a second appeal. I can't find the grounds for a new appeal other than he has the funds to enable this. | |||
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"What is a straightforward rape case? Most rapes are committed by someone known to the victim." A straightforward case is one that isn't surrounded by doubt like this case (don't see why that needed explaining ) As for the second point thank you for that insight I am aware of that  | |||
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"If he believes he is innocent...why would he show remorse? We wouldn't. A fair point. I understand his first appeal failed so he now has a new legal team to launch a second appeal. I can't find the grounds for a new appeal other than he has the funds to enable this. " he wasn't granted an appeal hence the reason he launch one the day he was released | |||
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"I'll be honest I thought he was guilty, however have a look on his own website which contains a lot of evidence and key facts from the trial and I'm not so sure. The CCTV footage of the girl entering the hotel certainly isn't of someone who is incapable of thinking for herself. The girl claimed to be spiked however no traces were found according to reports. Have a good read, it does make for a very strong case for a miscarriage of justice" Yet the first appeal failed and they would have seen the same evidence as being presented on HIS website. | |||
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"If he believes he is innocent...why would he show remorse? We wouldn't. A fair point. I understand his first appeal failed so he now has a new legal team to launch a second appeal. I can't find the grounds for a new appeal other than he has the funds to enable this. he wasn't granted an appeal hence the reason he launch one the day he was released" Was he not is there any reason why not? | |||
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"Google is your friend. . Again. . I ask. . If the question is about verbal consent. Why is the onus on the man ? Isn't consensual sex a two way convo ? " It is but he didn't go to the police and press charges she did. | |||
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" What is a straightforward rape case? Most rapes are committed by someone known to the victim. I suspect no one is going to answer that! " I did and your in danger of sound like your on a crusade to be honest picking a argument with anyone that doesn't agree with you | |||
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"Google is your friend. . Again. . I ask. . If the question is about verbal consent. Why is the onus on the man ? Isn't consensual sex a two way convo ? " Because it was the man who committed the action/crime in this case. If you burgle my house you're the criminal, whether or not I left a window open. Sorry if that's a bad analogy but it's all I can think of at 1am. | |||
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"Google is your friend. . Again. . I ask. . If the question is about verbal consent. Why is the onus on the man ? Isn't consensual sex a two way convo ? " Exactly. So if consent cannot be confirmed both ways or one person does not have the capacity to give consent then you should assume no consent has been given and keep your legs closed or your dick in your pants. crystal | |||
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"If he believes he is innocent...why would he show remorse? We wouldn't. A fair point. I understand his first appeal failed so he now has a new legal team to launch a second appeal. I can't find the grounds for a new appeal other than he has the funds to enable this. he wasn't granted an appeal hence the reason he launch one the day he was released Was he not is there any reason why not?" I'm sure of the reason it was refused but should all come out when his appeal is heard | |||
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"Google is your friend. . Again. . I ask. . If the question is about verbal consent. Why is the onus on the man ? Isn't consensual sex a two way convo ? " consensual sex is a two way convo... so if he had said no, and she had sex with him anyway, she would be the one who committed the unlawful act... it is not gender specific...... | |||
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"Me personally think he should rot in hell and never play football professionally again" Why not let him continue his trade? He has served time set by a court after all. Would you say that of everyone who has been convicted of a crime? | |||
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"Google is your friend. . Again. . I ask. . If the question is about verbal consent. Why is the onus on the man ? Isn't consensual sex a two way convo ? " Of course it is but when that consent is not given or overridden then someone wasn't listening. Now that discussions have begun on extending the law on abuse to include psychological abuse (which is currently legal as it is not covered) where will that take the verbal consent argument? Power dynamics play their part in the consent conversation. | |||
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"Google is your friend. . Again. . I ask. . If the question is about verbal consent. Why is the onus on the man ? Isn't consensual sex a two way convo ? Because it was the man who committed the action/crime in this case. If you burgle my house you're the criminal, whether or not I left a window open. Sorry if that's a bad analogy but it's all I can think of at 1am. " I think it's a fair an analogy. Leave your window open and it's true that you could have done more to prevent yourself been a victim of crime, but you are still very much a victim and certainly don't deserve to have been burgled | |||
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"If he believes he is innocent...why would he show remorse? We wouldn't. A fair point. I understand his first appeal failed so he now has a new legal team to launch a second appeal. I can't find the grounds for a new appeal other than he has the funds to enable this. he wasn't granted an appeal hence the reason he launch one the day he was released Was he not is there any reason why not? I'm sure of the reason it was refused but should all come out when his appeal is heard" There is more than has been said on this case I think both of us know that. The case has been used by feminists as a publicity case for what ends is not totally clear but I guess we can all make assumptions. | |||
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"What is a straightforward rape case? Most rapes are committed by someone known to the victim. A straightforward case is one that isn't surrounded by doubt like this case (don't see why that needed explaining ) As for the second point thank you for that insight I am aware of that "I have rarely seen a straightforward rape case where the perpetrator and the victim have known each other. | |||
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"Google is your friend. . Again. . I ask. . If the question is about verbal consent. Why is the onus on the man ? Isn't consensual sex a two way convo ? Because it was the man who committed the action/crime in this case. If you burgle my house you're the criminal, whether or not I left a window open. Sorry if that's a bad analogy but it's all I can think of at 1am. I think it's a fair an analogy. Leave your window open and it's true that you could have done more to prevent yourself been a victim of crime, but you are still very much a victim and certainly don't deserve to have been burgled" Exactly, the opportunity for crime does not excuse the crime. Thank god it made sense at 1am.  | |||
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" Yet the first appeal failed and they would have seen the same evidence as being presented on HIS website." Perhaps you should read it first, the initial appeal was rejected as at the time (28 days after the verdict) there was no new evidence, that evidence has now since surfaced and quite a bit of new evidence. There are countless cases where someone is found guilty only to be overturned years later. | |||
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"Me personally think he should rot in hell and never play football professionally again Why not let him continue his trade? He has served time set by a court after all. Would you say that of everyone who has been convicted of a crime?" When a team signs a player he becomes a role model, not the best role model for kids is it? A dirty convicted rapist | |||
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"Google is your friend. . Again. . I ask. . If the question is about verbal consent. Why is the onus on the man ? Isn't consensual sex a two way convo ? Exactly. So if consent cannot be confirmed both ways or one person does not have the capacity to give consent then you should assume no consent has been given and keep your legs closed or your dick in your pants. crystal" good point. . Fair play. but could a man claim rape if he was to d*unk to remember consenting ? | |||
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"Google is your friend. . Again. . I ask. . If the question is about verbal consent. Why is the onus on the man ? Isn't consensual sex a two way convo ? Because it was the man who committed the action/crime in this case. If you burgle my house you're the criminal, whether or not I left a window open. Sorry if that's a bad analogy but it's all I can think of at 1am. I think it's a fair an analogy. Leave your window open and it's true that you could have done more to prevent yourself been a victim of crime, but you are still very much a victim and certainly don't deserve to have been burgled" Wheels, I would also add it shouldn't matter how many doors and windows are left open and what goods are on show. We're supposed to live in a civilised society and people shouldn't feel like they can help themselves to whatever they want no matter how tempting it may be. crystal | |||
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"If he believes he is innocent...why would he show remorse? We wouldn't. A fair point. I understand his first appeal failed so he now has a new legal team to launch a second appeal. I can't find the grounds for a new appeal other than he has the funds to enable this. he wasn't granted an appeal hence the reason he launch one the day he was released Was he not is there any reason why not? I'm sure of the reason it was refused but should all come out when his appeal is heard There is more than has been said on this case I think both of us know that. The case has been used by feminists as a publicity case for what ends is not totally clear but I guess we can all make assumptions." In what way has this case been used by feminists? | |||
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"Quick question. . Women can be legally found to be too d*unk to consent. . Can a man claim he was too d*unk to understand consent ? no... because he wouldn't be the victim, the person he was doing the action to would be the victim... and ignorance of the law would be no excuse.... it would be like me claiming in europe I wasn't speeding because the signs were in kph rather than mph" 
Or, " I was too d*unk to remember, flyour honour!" ........... I have to say, from what i've read from this thread, i can easily how the verdict could have gone the other way, - only they really know the truth, except the one that supposedly, cannot remember a thing, of course!  | |||
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"Me personally think he should rot in hell and never play football professionally again Why not let him continue his trade? He has served time set by a court after all. Would you say that of everyone who has been convicted of a crime?" but thats saying all crime is the same.. which it isn't... of something as serious as rape... I am struggling to thing of many jobs of the same profession you would walk back into ..... let alone at the same place | |||
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"Google is your friend. . Again. . I ask. . If the question is about verbal consent. Why is the onus on the man ? Isn't consensual sex a two way convo ? It is but he didn't go to the police and press charges she did. " Actually you're wrong, she didn't press charges, she reported her phone missing and claims her drink was spiked 48 hours after the incident. The police opened a rape case themselves. Evidence has emerged that there was no proof that she was spiked | |||
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"Google is your friend. . Again. . I ask. . If the question is about verbal consent. Why is the onus on the man ? Isn't consensual sex a two way convo ? Exactly. So if consent cannot be confirmed both ways or one person does not have the capacity to give consent then you should assume no consent has been given and keep your legs closed or your dick in your pants. crystal good point. . Fair play. but could a man claim rape if he was to d*unk to remember consenting ? " Yes, there was a story in the papers recently about a woman raping a man. He woke up from being d*unk and found her on top of him riding him. Not sure if the verdict is out yet or if the story was about the court proceedings. | |||
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"What is a straightforward rape case? Most rapes are committed by someone known to the victim. A straightforward case is one that isn't surrounded by doubt like this case (don't see why that needed explaining ) As for the second point thank you for that insight I am aware of that
I have rarely seen a straightforward rape case where the perpetrator and the victim have known each other."look I'm not looking to argue with you the fact is that this is not a straight forward rape case hence the reason everybody is discussing and you only have to look at this thread with all the different opinions to tell that I'm justifying to you the fact that I used the word straight forward | |||
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" What is a straightforward rape case? Most rapes are committed by someone known to the victim. I suspect no one is going to answer that! I did and your in danger of sound like your on a crusade to be honest picking a argument with anyone that doesn't agree with you "We've maintained the same _iewpoint throughout this thread. I'm not sure how that is picking an argument? I passionately believe victim blaming is wrong. I consider crimes of a sexual nature to be abhorrent. I believe that having sex with someone that is too d*unk too consent is wrong. If that's a crusade so be it | |||
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" Yet the first appeal failed and they would have seen the same evidence as being presented on HIS website. Perhaps you should read it first, the initial appeal was rejected as at the time (28 days after the verdict) there was no new evidence, that evidence has now since surfaced and quite a bit of new evidence. There are countless cases where someone is found guilty only to be overturned years later." I know. I have posted here before on the treatment of miscarriages of justice and it us an area I am involved in. | |||
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"Google is your friend. . Again. . I ask. . If the question is about verbal consent. Why is the onus on the man ? Isn't consensual sex a two way convo ? It is but he didn't go to the police and press charges she did. Actually you're wrong, she didn't press charges, she reported her phone missing and claims her drink was spiked 48 hours after the incident. The police opened a rape case themselves. Evidence has emerged that there was no proof that she was spiked" So how was he brought to trial if she didn't press charges and help the cps make a case? | |||
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"Google is your friend. . Again. . I ask. . If the question is about verbal consent. Why is the onus on the man ? Isn't consensual sex a two way convo ? Exactly. So if consent cannot be confirmed both ways or one person does not have the capacity to give consent then you should assume no consent has been given and keep your legs closed or your dick in your pants. crystal good point. . Fair play. but could a man claim rape if he was to d*unk to remember consenting ? " To answer your question, we would need to consider what the term rape means in the context of a woman raping a man. If it is defined in a similar manner to how a man rapes a woman then she would have to force him inside her. I guess she could also use a strap on to force an extension of herself inside him but when a man does that to a woman, I don't think its considered rape but something along the lines of indecent assault. I'm not sure how a woman could force a man inside her though but could possibly force an errection through drugs. crystal | |||
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"Google is your friend. . Again. . I ask. . If the question is about verbal consent. Why is the onus on the man ? Isn't consensual sex a two way convo ? It is but he didn't go to the police and press charges she did. Actually you're wrong, she didn't press charges, she reported her phone missing and claims her drink was spiked 48 hours after the incident. The police opened a rape case themselves. Evidence has emerged that there was no proof that she was spiked So how was he brought to trial if she didn't press charges and help the cps make a case?" If you read up on it a little you will see that the only evidence of sexual activity between the three is the admission of the two men alone. the police charged them based on the girls statement of being "spiked". As I said initially I thought he was guilty, however reading the details of the trial and the new evidence afterwards I have changed my _iew | |||
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"Google is your friend. . Again. . I ask. . If the question is about verbal consent. Why is the onus on the man ? Isn't consensual sex a two way convo ? Exactly. So if consent cannot be confirmed both ways or one person does not have the capacity to give consent then you should assume no consent has been given and keep your legs closed or your dick in your pants. crystal good point. . Fair play. but could a man claim rape if he was to d*unk to remember consenting ? To answer your question, we would need to consider what the term rape means in the context of a woman raping a man. If it is defined in a similar manner to how a man rapes a woman then she would have to force him inside her. I guess she could also use a strap on to force an extension of herself inside him but when a man does that to a woman, I don't think its considered rape but something along the lines of indecent assault. I'm not sure how a woman could force a man inside her though but could possibly force an errection through drugs. crystal" She can use an erection without consent and that would qualify. | |||
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"Google is your friend. . Again. . I ask. . If the question is about verbal consent. Why is the onus on the man ? Isn't consensual sex a two way convo ? Exactly. So if consent cannot be confirmed both ways or one person does not have the capacity to give consent then you should assume no consent has been given and keep your legs closed or your dick in your pants. crystal good point. . Fair play. but could a man claim rape if he was to d*unk to remember consenting ? To answer your question, we would need to consider what the term rape means in the context of a woman raping a man. If it is defined in a similar manner to how a man rapes a woman then she would have to force him inside her. I guess she could also use a strap on to force an extension of herself inside him but when a man does that to a woman, I don't think its considered rape but something along the lines of indecent assault. I'm not sure how a woman could force a man inside her though but could possibly force an errection through drugs. crystal" It has happened and there have been criminal convictions against women. From what I remember the guy was drugged, restrained then they raped him. | |||
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" What is a straightforward rape case? Most rapes are committed by someone known to the victim. I suspect no one is going to answer that! I did and your in danger of sound like your on a crusade to be honest picking a argument with anyone that doesn't agree with you
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I passionately believe victim blaming is wrong. I consider crimes of a sexual nature to be abhorrent. I believe that having sex with someone that is too d*unk too consent is wrong. If that's a crusade so be it"And I think that you being so passionate is stopping you from address some of the facts that have been pointed out to you I didn't once blame the victim I just said this is not a straight forward case and I think most on this thread would agree | |||
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"Google is your friend. . Again. . I ask. . If the question is about verbal consent. Why is the onus on the man ? Isn't consensual sex a two way convo ? Exactly. So if consent cannot be confirmed both ways or one person does not have the capacity to give consent then you should assume no consent has been given and keep your legs closed or your dick in your pants. crystal good point. . Fair play. but could a man claim rape if he was to d*unk to remember consenting ? Yes, there was a story in the papers recently about a woman raping a man. He woke up from being d*unk and found her on top of him riding him. Not sure if the verdict is out yet or if the story was about the court proceedings. " I hadn't seen this but if he didn't give consent then her actions were wrong. If the genders were switched and it was her that woke up d*unk to find him riding her then it would be dealt with as a rape case. crystal | |||
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"Google is your friend. . Again. . I ask. . If the question is about verbal consent. Why is the onus on the man ? Isn't consensual sex a two way convo ? Exactly. So if consent cannot be confirmed both ways or one person does not have the capacity to give consent then you should assume no consent has been given and keep your legs closed or your dick in your pants. crystal good point. . Fair play. but could a man claim rape if he was to d*unk to remember consenting ? To answer your question, we would need to consider what the term rape means in the context of a woman raping a man. If it is defined in a similar manner to how a man rapes a woman then she would have to force him inside her. I guess she could also use a strap on to force an extension of herself inside him but when a man does that to a woman, I don't think its considered rape but something along the lines of indecent assault. I'm not sure how a woman could force a man inside her though but could possibly force an errection through drugs. crystal She can use an erection without consent and that would qualify." Unsurprisingly, I've never considered raping a man so I had never really considered the mechanics. But as men do get erections involuntary, I can see how this may occur. crystal | |||
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" What is a straightforward rape case? Most rapes are committed by someone known to the victim. I suspect no one is going to answer that! I did and your in danger of sound like your on a crusade to be honest picking a argument with anyone that doesn't agree with you
We've maintained the same _iewpoint throughout this thread. I'm not sure how that is picking an argument?
I passionately believe victim blaming is wrong. I consider crimes of a sexual nature to be abhorrent. I believe that having sex with someone that is too d*unk too consent is wrong. If that's a crusade so be it
And I think that you being so passionate is stopping you from address some of the facts that have been pointed out to you I didn't once blame the victim I just said this is not a straight forward case and I think most on this thread would agree "I haven;t disagreed. But very few rape cases are straightforward. How few cases even get to trial is testament to that. | |||
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" What is a straightforward rape case? Most rapes are committed by someone known to the victim. I suspect no one is going to answer that! I did and your in danger of sound like your on a crusade to be honest picking a argument with anyone that doesn't agree with you
We've maintained the same _iewpoint throughout this thread. I'm not sure how that is picking an argument?
I passionately believe victim blaming is wrong. I consider crimes of a sexual nature to be abhorrent. I believe that having sex with someone that is too d*unk too consent is wrong. If that's a crusade so be it
And I think that you being so passionate is stopping you from address some of the facts that have been pointed out to you I didn't once blame the victim I just said this is not a straight forward case and I think most on this thread would agree
I haven;t disagreed. But very few rape cases are straightforward. How few cases even get to trial is testament to that."all I said in my original post was that this wasn't a straight forward case and I'm looking forward to seeing the outcome of the appeal not get into a debate over my use of the word straightforward | |||
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"I'll be honest I thought he was guilty, however have a look on his own website which contains a lot of evidence and key facts from the trial and I'm not so sure. The CCTV footage of the girl entering the hotel certainly isn't of someone who is incapable of thinking for herself. The girl claimed to be spiked however no traces were found according to reports. Have a good read, it does make for a very strong case for a miscarriage of justice" His own website is going to paint him as innocent well behaved person and to try and convince people too feel the same about him and his website is also obviously going to try and blacken the victims name and character but at end of the day the facts are he was convicted in a court of law in front of a jury of 12 people and was sentenced for the crime the crime was rape because she consented to McDonald but didn't consent to Evans he's not shown any remorse as he's pleaded innocence from the start to being released there's no question he's guilty in my eyes (Mr see) | |||
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"I'll be honest I thought he was guilty, however have a look on his own website which contains a lot of evidence and key facts from the trial and I'm not so sure. The CCTV footage of the girl entering the hotel certainly isn't of someone who is incapable of thinking for herself. The girl claimed to be spiked however no traces were found according to reports. Have a good read, it does make for a very strong case for a miscarriage of justice His own website is going to paint him as innocent well behaved person and to try and convince people too feel the same about him and his website is also obviously going to try and blacken the victims name and character but at end of the day the facts are he was convicted in a court of law in front of a jury of 12 people and was sentenced for the crime the crime was rape because she consented to McDonald but didn't consent to Evans he's not shown any remorse as he's pleaded innocence from the start to being released there's no question he's guilty in my eyes (Mr see)" I dare you to read this thread & think how UNLUCKY you could be if the wrong 12 were in your dury, when you were being wrongly tried!! 
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"does anyone even know who the 'victim' was ?" she is the only rape victim in the uk ever to be given a new identity by the police because of the amount of abuse she has gotten from supporters of ched evans..... to the point there has been at least a dozen people charged against with having leaked her original name on both facebook and twitter | |||
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"I'm a blades fan shouldn't have him back its a family club rapist till found not guilty simple as that " Fair play dude, - at last a proper answer to the current question! | |||
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"I'll be honest I thought he was guilty, however have a look on his own website which contains a lot of evidence and key facts from the trial and I'm not so sure. The CCTV footage of the girl entering the hotel certainly isn't of someone who is incapable of thinking for herself. The girl claimed to be spiked however no traces were found according to reports. Have a good read, it does make for a very strong case for a miscarriage of justice His own website is going to paint him as innocent well behaved person and to try and convince people too feel the same about him and his website is also obviously going to try and blacken the victims name and character but at end of the day the facts are he was convicted in a court of law in front of a jury of 12 people and was sentenced for the crime the crime was rape because she consented to McDonald but didn't consent to Evans he's not shown any remorse as he's pleaded innocence from the start to being released there's no question he's guilty in my eyes (Mr see) I dare you to read this thread & think how UNLUCKY you could be if the wrong 12 were in your dury, when you were being wrongly tried!!
Fab, after all would represent an even-ish chunk of our society, wouldn't it?
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"I'll be honest I thought he was guilty, however have a look on his own website which contains a lot of evidence and key facts from the trial and I'm not so sure. The CCTV footage of the girl entering the hotel certainly isn't of someone who is incapable of thinking for herself. The girl claimed to be spiked however no traces were found according to reports. Have a good read, it does make for a very strong case for a miscarriage of justice His own website is going to paint him as innocent well behaved person and to try and convince people too feel the same about him and his website is also obviously going to try and blacken the victims name and character but at end of the day the facts are he was convicted in a court of law in front of a jury of 12 people and was sentenced for the crime the crime was rape because she consented to McDonald but didn't consent to Evans he's not shown any remorse as he's pleaded innocence from the start to being released there's no question he's guilty in my eyes (Mr see) I dare you to read this thread & think how UNLUCKY you could be if the wrong 12 were in your dury, when you were being wrongly tried!!
Fab, after all would represent an even-ish chunk of our society, wouldn't it?
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"I'll be honest I thought he was guilty, however have a look on his own website which contains a lot of evidence and key facts from the trial and I'm not so sure. The CCTV footage of the girl entering the hotel certainly isn't of someone who is incapable of thinking for herself. The girl claimed to be spiked however no traces were found according to reports. Have a good read, it does make for a very strong case for a miscarriage of justice His own website is going to paint him as innocent well behaved person and to try and convince people too feel the same about him and his website is also obviously going to try and blacken the victims name and character but at end of the day the facts are he was convicted in a court of law in front of a jury of 12 people and was sentenced for the crime the crime was rape because she consented to McDonald but didn't consent to Evans he's not shown any remorse as he's pleaded innocence from the start to being released there's no question he's guilty in my eyes (Mr see) I dare you to read this thread & think how UNLUCKY you could be if the wrong 12 were in your dury, when you were being wrongly tried!!
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and still found him guilty
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"i could name 3 people who would go intoba rape trial and convict the man before the case even started !" I bet I could guess all 3 but won't start calling out names | |||
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 lol - but if Fab is a even-ish proportionate representative of the Dury, then I for one would be bricking it as someone innocent going up against a court of law - & I truly believe that Fab is!!
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"its worrying when these 'impartial' people have peoples liberty at stake ...it is an absolute lottery who is on the jury !" | |||
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"I'll be honest I thought he was guilty, however have a look on his own website which contains a lot of evidence and key facts from the trial and I'm not so sure. The CCTV footage of the girl entering the hotel certainly isn't of someone who is incapable of thinking for herself. The girl claimed to be spiked however no traces were found according to reports. Have a good read, it does make for a very strong case for a miscarriage of justice Yet the first appeal failed and they would have seen the same evidence as being presented on HIS website." No evidence is looked at until the appeal is granted | |||
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"A very dangerous conviction surely? So d*unk that she cannot recall either a yes or a no?...I am not condoning rape plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz believe me but beyond a reasonable doubt? No she was incapable of coherent speech so didn't give verbal consent. If a woman is so d*unk do you take advantage and fuck?" This!! We've seen women in clubs in this state yet people still fuck them. | |||
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"It's a tricky one!! She was to d*unk to remember so you never know if she said yes or no but in the same hand even if she said yes, if she's so d*unk, in my eyes you leave be. Rape cases are very tricky I feel, especially if it's alcohol related. Look at the kid in the USA that's just spent 5 years in prison for rape and it turns out it was all a lie after the female was recorded admitting she made it all up. The poor lad has lost 5 years of his life and what was going to be a good future with the NBA. It's that type of BS that makes it difficult and also very hard for real victims to come forward. " | |||
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"Google is your friend. . Again. . I ask. . If the question is about verbal consent. Why is the onus on the man ? Isn't consensual sex a two way convo ? Exactly. So if consent cannot be confirmed both ways or one person does not have the capacity to give consent then you should assume no consent has been given and keep your legs closed or your dick in your pants. crystal good point. . Fair play. but could a man claim rape if he was to d*unk to remember consenting ? To answer your question, we would need to consider what the term rape means in the context of a woman raping a man. If it is defined in a similar manner to how a man rapes a woman then she would have to force him inside her. I guess she could also use a strap on to force an extension of herself inside him but when a man does that to a woman, I don't think its considered rape but something along the lines of indecent assault. I'm not sure how a woman could force a man inside her though but could possibly force an errection through drugs. crystal She can use an erection without consent and that would qualify." Using an erection would be a sexual assault. Legally, women cannot rape men (because the definition only allows for men to penetrate without consent) but they can be found guilty of numerous sexual assaults | |||
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"The girl was found to have no alcohol in her system, yet traces of cocaine and " Somewhat disingenuous to say that, as from what i've read, toxicology report mentions no date rape drug in her system and the above - no mention of alcohol - which would take around 2 hours for each unit of alcohol to leave the body. So i wouldn't expect a lot of alcohol to still be in her system a day later. The other 2 stay in your system for weeks even months. This case is so weird, why would a father of the girlfriend would want to fund a appeal for guy who at the very least cheated on his daughter?. | |||
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"Now I am not totally up on all the details but does anyone think he may not be 100% guilty???? it is a weird case in that in that they all agree the woman was d*unk and she could not have consented... the strange thing was that there were 2 of them up on charges, he was found guilty, the other footballer was found not guilty... i don't see how any football club will take him on without the backlash it will cause" Dunno as clubs have taken back d*unk drivers that have killed a man whilst pissed and fled the scene | |||
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"true, i have just stated, what i read." Always very dangerous to form opinions based on limited and often biased facts. Evans was found guilty by jury after full analysis of the case and he has also had an appeal turned down. He has shown no remorse while the victim has been forced to move home and change identity while many people speculate whether she was d*unk, asking for it etc etc. I find it all very saddening. | |||
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"true, i have just stated, what i read. Always very dangerous to form opinions based on limited and often biased facts. Evans was found guilty by jury after full analysis of the case and he has also had an appeal turned down. He has shown no remorse while the victim has been forced to move home and change identity while many people speculate whether she was d*unk, asking for it etc etc. I find it all very saddening. "Think you should do some research some before making comments because some of the things you have stated are wrong new evidence came to light during the trial that the jury did not see and he did not have an appeal turned down he wasn't even granted one hence the reason he launched one the day he was released but if you at least read the whole thread you would know this it's been said time and time again just like why would you show remorse if you believe your innocent and have been wrongly convicted | |||
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"It saddens me that people assume that it's the woman that's to blame. She's been raped, she's been outed on twitter by friends of Evans' and had to leave her home town as a result. But apparently because she was pissed it was her fault and not the man who took advantage of her d*unken state There is a lot of victim blaming sadly when it comes to rape. Instead of teaching girls to be vigilant of predators and to not put themselves in dangerous situations as the primary rape deterrent we should be teaching boys that rape is deplorable and set examples for them." | |||
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"true, i have just stated, what i read. Always very dangerous to form opinions based on limited and often biased facts. Evans was found guilty by jury after full analysis of the case and he has also had an appeal turned down. He has shown no remorse while the victim has been forced to move home and change identity while many people speculate whether she was d*unk, asking for it etc etc. I find it all very saddening.
Think you should do some research some before making comments because some of the things you have stated are wrong new evidence came to light during the trial that the jury did not see and he did not have an appeal turned down he wasn't even granted one hence the reason he launched one the day he was released but if you at least read the whole thread you would know this it's been said time and time again just like why would you show remorse if you believe your innocent and have been wrongly convicted"I stand by what I said, the jury looked at all the facts which no one on this site has done and made their decision, if there is new evidence then let it be shown. His appeal was turned down, these things are re_iewed by senior judges who, by their decision, have explicitly taken the _iew that there are no grounds for an appeal to be heard. Convictions for rape are notoriously hard to achieve and one cannot help think that the coverage of this case will put off victims from reporting these crimes. | |||
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"true, i have just stated, what i read. Always very dangerous to form opinions based on limited and often biased facts. Evans was found guilty by jury after full analysis of the case and he has also had an appeal turned down. He has shown no remorse while the victim has been forced to move home and change identity while many people speculate whether she was d*unk, asking for it etc etc. I find it all very saddening.
Think you should do some research some before making comments because some of the things you have stated are wrong new evidence came to light during the trial that the jury did not see and he did not have an appeal turned down he wasn't even granted one hence the reason he launched one the day he was released but if you at least read the whole thread you would know this it's been said time and time again just like why would you show remorse if you believe your innocent and have been wrongly convicted
I stand by what I said, the jury looked at all the facts which no one on this site has done and made their decision, if there is new evidence then let it be shown. His appeal was turned down, these things are re_iewed by senior judges who, by their decision, have explicitly taken the _iew that there are no grounds for an appeal to be heard. Convictions for rape are notoriously hard to achieve and one cannot help think that the coverage of this case will put off victims from reporting these crimes.
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"true, i have just stated, what i read. Always very dangerous to form opinions based on limited and often biased facts. Evans was found guilty by jury after full analysis of the case and he has also had an appeal turned down. He has shown no remorse while the victim has been forced to move home and change identity while many people speculate whether she was d*unk, asking for it etc etc. I find it all very saddening.
Think you should do some research some before making comments because some of the things you have stated are wrong new evidence came to light during the trial that the jury did not see and he did not have an appeal turned down he wasn't even granted one hence the reason he launched one the day he was released but if you at least read the whole thread you would know this it's been said time and time again just like why would you show remorse if you believe your innocent and have been wrongly convicted"New evidence may well have come to light, but if the judge rules it inadmissible then the jury cannot take that into account. | |||
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"true, i have just stated, what i read. Always very dangerous to form opinions based on limited and often biased facts. Evans was found guilty by jury after full analysis of the case and he has also had an appeal turned down. He has shown no remorse while the victim has been forced to move home and change identity while many people speculate whether she was d*unk, asking for it etc etc. I find it all very saddening.
Think you should do some research some before making comments because some of the things you have stated are wrong new evidence came to light during the trial that the jury did not see and he did not have an appeal turned down he wasn't even granted one hence the reason he launched one the day he was released but if you at least read the whole thread you would know this it's been said time and time again just like why would you show remorse if you believe your innocent and have been wrongly convicted
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"Only post allowed links please "Apologies, my fault. For those interested in reading the court ruling on why an appeal was turned down, it is easy to find, full of detail and also deals with some evidence which was refused by the judge. A tricky case without doubt but a jury, properly instructed by a judge made its verdict. | |||
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"In my youth, I have woken up thinking, where am I and who the f**k is that...... I would never have accused anyone of rape, it was my stupid and irresponsible behaviour that got me there" Well, that's up to you. But it's really not ok to have sex with someone when they're too d*unk to consent. It's not the person's own fault if someone does this to them. | |||
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