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"Popped into Chams in Darlaston last night and was very pleasantly surprised when I was told to put my purse away ... Single ladies are getting in FREE for a trial period (although I wasn't made aware how long this will be for). If we all go down to the club and show our support for this initiative, there is a possibility that it may run for a longer period. Makes me want to pop in several times a week (if only the diesel to get there was free too or at least cheaper than it is) "Not impressed because its like the club is saying that single women are prostitutes,because they are only letting you in for free,on the hope that more men will come and pay to get in.....Men pay to get in I presume then have fun with a woman,who got in for free,it should all be equal,everyone pays the same.... | |||
"Blatant sexism! "Most nights when I've been into the club, it has been extremely single guy heavy, so I'm all for any ideas that will get more single ladies in, especially the Bi ladies on Monday nights (Bi-night) | |||
"Blatant sexism!
Most nights when I've been into the club, it has been extremely single guy heavy, so I'm all for any ideas that will get more single ladies in, especially the Bi ladies on Monday nights (Bi-night) "That may be true,but it still comes across has lets get has many single women in the club,then more men will pay to get in..(its wrong) in my opinion.. | |||
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" Not impressed because its like the club is saying that single women are prostitutes,because they are only letting you in for free,on the hope that more men will come and pay to get in.....Men pay to get in I presume then have fun with a woman,who got in for free,it should all be equal,everyone pays the same...." I do agree with what you're saying about how the ladies 'could' be perceived but usually there are soooo many single guys around and very few single ladies that the poor ladies who are there are treated like the Pied Piper and most of us don't really want THAT much attention. Some equality on entrance fees does sound like a good idea until you realise that it would just mean that the clubs end up full of single guys and the ladies just won't go, besides, is there actually a single club anywhere in this country where the single guys are not charged more than couples and single ladies? I think not | |||
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" That may be true,but it still comes across has lets get has many single women in the club,then more men will pay to get in..(its wrong) in my opinion.." I think it's more about trying to even up the numbers | |||
"What's wrong with charging £10 p/p regardless of status " | |||
"What's wrong with charging £10 p/p regardless of status "As I said before, if they did this then the clubs would be heaving with single guys and it would put a lot of us single ladies and couples off going  | |||
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"My aftershave ain't cheap ya know "Cost of a bottle of aftershave (let's say £30) that lasts at least 3-4 months compared to at least one pair of stocking (£8 min) per meet/club visit ... Hmmmm, no contest guys | |||
"But am sure if they did a trial of equal entrance you would then get moans of going to a club and a few if any females and loads and loads of guys" Exactly my point | |||
"But you have said there are "soooo many single guys around" anyway. As another poster has in my humble opinion quite rightly put, isn't this sexism?" It is blatant sexism. What it boils down to though is do you want a club full of men to stand and have a beer with like your local or do you want potential playmates to turn up? If you look at it from a glass half full angle it actually could be a good move for single men too. | |||
"My aftershave ain't cheap ya know
Cost of a bottle of aftershave (let's say £30) that lasts at least 3-4 months compared to at least one pair of stocking (£8 min) per meet/club visit ...
Hmmmm, no contest guys "I like my ladies nekid when I have fun, so that's ruled out of the equation | |||
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"Maybe they should do a free night for guys too? Think that will work? " Us ladies know that would simply be a club full of guys and few if any ladies/couples | |||
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"My aftershave ain't cheap ya know
Cost of a bottle of aftershave (let's say £30) that lasts at least 3-4 months compared to at least one pair of stocking (£8 min) per meet/club visit ...
Hmmmm, no contest guys "Uuu how about the pound shop for his aftershave, that's even more saving | |||
"Blatant sexism! "Yes like it's blatant sexism to allow women into any club swinging or otherwise free or cheaper. It has always been a standard marketing technique in the entertainment industry, and what's more it works. | |||
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"My aftershave ain't cheap ya know
Cost of a bottle of aftershave (let's say £30) that lasts at least 3-4 months compared to at least one pair of stocking (£8 min) per meet/club visit ...
Hmmmm, no contest guys
Uuu how about the pound shop for his aftershave, that's even more saving "Ah fuck the shower as well then, a squirt of Lynx under each bollock and I'm ready to go  | |||
"Blatant sexism!
Yes like it's blatant sexism to allow women into any club swinging or otherwise free or cheaper. It has always been a standard marketing technique in the entertainment industry, and what's more it works. "apparently not - if you read the op!!  | |||
" That may be true,but it still comes across has lets get has many single women in the club,then more men will pay to get in..(its wrong) in my opinion.. I think it's more about trying to even up the numbers "No its not as they still have limited single male places and most places have membership fees for the males too. It's purely about getting the "bait " in. They make money when it's filled with single guys but the single guys won't go there and spend the money if they think its just full of single guys. | |||
"But am sure if they did a trial of equal entrance you would then get moans of going to a club and a few if any females and loads and loads of guys Exactly my point "Kage is the one event I know that's regular in singles clubs where it's 10pp regardless of who you are. It's also the night with the most women and couples too from my experience. | |||
"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! " Tbh, I've always thought that women look better without make up, - are you sure it isn't just a vanity thing? *runs out to homemade 80's Soviet-proof bomb shelter  | |||
"Ok, I said "soooo many single guys around", maybe I should have said that there are "toooo many single guys around". What good is there in having 40 single guys wandering the hallways of a club when there are only 3 or 4 single ladies and maybe 8 or 9 couples? The idea is obviously to even the numbers, not to bring in more single guys, if that was the plan I imagine that it would have been the entrance fee for the guys that would be on a trial discount, not the ladies " | |||
"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! " So true!! Sarah x | |||
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"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! Tbh, I've always thought that women look better without make up, - are you sure it isn't just a vanity thing? *runs out to homemade 80's Soviet-proof bomb shelter "I agree I prefer a women in jeans t-shirt and make up free! | |||
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"What's wrong with charging £10 p/p regardless of status " | |||
" Not impressed because its like the club is saying that single women are prostitutes,because they are only letting you in for free,on the hope that more men will come and pay to get in.....Men pay to get in I presume then have fun with a woman,who got in for free,it should all be equal,everyone pays the same.... I do agree with what you're saying about how the ladies 'could' be perceived but usually there are soooo many single guys around and very few single ladies that the poor ladies who are there are treated like the Pied Piper and most of us don't really want THAT much attention. Some equality on entrance fees does sound like a good idea until you realise that it would just mean that the clubs end up full of single guys and the ladies just won't go, besides, is there actually a single club anywhere in this country where the single guys are not charged more than couples and single ladies? I think not "Personally if I was to go to a club or run one, I will prefer to have more lady's than guys. The ideal of letting women in for free or some cases cheap is to ensure more ladys attaint than guys, and for the simple fact that most guys are so hungry in clubs this days and a women are reluntant to sleeping with any scumbag in that environment I don't think they should have to pay the price for feeding that hunger. If I was to charge a lady as much as a guy it will have to be in a limited and invitation only event so you know what they paying for. | |||
"Blatant sexism!
Yes like it's blatant sexism to allow women into any club swinging or otherwise free or cheaper. It has always been a standard marketing technique in the entertainment industry, and what's more it works. "Yep. Just like the chat/date lines... most are free for women. Men have to pay. Doesn't put guys off, and the women stay online for ages, thus keeping the men online. Making loads of £££££ for the service provider. Kerching! Sarah x | |||
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"Blatant sexism!
Yes like it's blatant sexism to allow women into any club swinging or otherwise free or cheaper. It has always been a standard marketing technique in the entertainment industry, and what's more it works. apparently not - if you read the op!! "From my point of _iew, its a long way from where I live and I am only temping so not enough money to afford the travel even if I save money by getting in for free, plus I am only able to go on a Saturday night when there would be no single guys anyway. Great idea but it won't encourage me to go to take advantage of this offer | |||
"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! Tbh, I've always thought that women look better without make up, - are you sure it isn't just a vanity thing? *runs out to homemade 80's Soviet-proof bomb shelter
I agree I prefer a women in jeans t-shirt and make up free!"find your own bomb shelter!!  | |||
"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! " who on earth has convinced you of that ? Nails and hair grow naturally ! And lets face it. . In the swing world, do you think men only gravitate toward women who look like Jodie Marsh ? I think you'll find the stick on nails and plastic hair are more for you . . Heh . I'd guess it's technically illegal for this charging inequality. . How about a set higher price per person (solo men clearly subsidise everyone else at the min) and a limit on single men . Maybe even a pre booking system. That way the club can see who is expected and accept more solo men if there are a fair few females there. Of course sponteiety is lost, but so is the chance of deciding to pop to a club only to find it like a sausage factory | |||
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"Won't this compound the issue? If women are going free, you may increase the number of females. However this in turn will increase the numbers of single guys, meaning a busierclub but with ppotential of the same disproportionate ratio. Meaning the women will still get lots of unwanted attention. Clubs need to be strict on the ratios they keep, and not see single men as the cash cows that they are. Just my humble opinion." I agree. | |||
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"What's wrong with charging £10 p/p regardless of status "If I went a tenner sounds fair to me | |||
"What's wrong with charging £10 p/p regardless of status "This.. The club's could also have a policy of single guys are only allowed if they've applied to be on a guest list or something similar, to stop the numbers becoming disproportionate. | |||
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"The thread title makes me snigger. Reminds me of the phrase "free prostitutes". " My thoughts exactly, some of the posts were all but saying that the clubs pimp-out the women, lolz.... what a turn-off! | |||
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"if youre really local could save you loads in heating bills over the winter " | |||
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"I've never been to an adult club but I'd expect to pay more as a 'single' guy simply due to supply and demand. Although I'd imagine if word got around that women gor in free, then more men would pay to get in and the ratios of men to women would remain the same unless they put a cap on the number of single men going in. " | |||
"The thread title makes me snigger. Reminds me of the phrase "free prostitutes". " | |||
"To control numbers and make sure everyone gets to play, I propose a standard structure for all clubs, based on who you play with: Single straight male = £100 Single straight female = free Bi male = £50 Bi female = £50 Straight mf couple = £100 (£100 +£0) Fully bi couple =£100 (£50 + £50) Straight m, bi f =£150 Gay male = free gay female = £100 A club needs to cover its costs, but think about it, there is no such thing as a free lunch. If you aren't the customer, you are the product... " Is there a special discount for dredgers?  | |||
"To control numbers and make sure everyone gets to play, I propose a standard structure for all clubs, based on who you play with: Single straight male = £100 Single straight female = free Bi male = £50 Bi female = £50 Straight mf couple = £100 (£100 +£0) Fully bi couple =£100 (£50 + £50) Straight m, bi f =£150 Gay male = free gay female = £100 A club needs to cover its costs, but think about it, there is no such thing as a free lunch. If you aren't the customer, you are the product... Is there a special discount for dredgers? "Free entry and all you can eat | |||
"The thread title makes me snigger. Reminds me of the phrase "free prostitutes". " I immediately thought of that scene from From Dusk Til Dawn..... | |||
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"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! " No fingernails here and doubt my stockings would need replacing  | |||
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"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! " Seriously I doubt they would care if you were naked as long as they had fun | |||
"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! who on earth has convinced you of that ? Nails and hair grow naturally ! And lets face it. . In the swing world, do you think men only gravitate toward women who look like Jodie Marsh ? I think you'll find the stick on nails and plastic hair are more for you . . Heh . I'd guess it's technically illegal for this charging inequality. . How about a set higher price per person (solo men clearly subsidise everyone else at the min) and a limit on single men . Maybe even a pre booking system. That way the club can see who is expected and accept more solo men if there are a fair few females there. Of course sponteiety is lost, but so is the chance of deciding to pop to a club only to find it like a sausage factory " I can see this from both sides I keep my make up to a minimum, wear my hair down yet styled and only have a simple french manicure/pedicure so that i remain very natural looking, one because I prefer to look that way and two mainly because in my experience people respond to it better than blatant fakery (not that i obgject to people doing ut of thats how they feel comfortable), this minimilistic look still cost more than most guys realise to maintain. Now, the one thing all guys do tend to appreciate (and I havent found an exception to it yet) is lingerie and that is not cheap especially for a plus size lady like myself find a lot of sites popular sites like lovey honey are poorly sized. For example im a 18/20 i bought a gorgeous corset from that site, auto matically went for the largest size which was 3 sizes bigger than I am and it doesnt still fit! With this in mind it means to get a good fit you look down the custom made stuff if your lucky thats £50 minimum just for the corset (my last custom made one cost me £149.99 - ouch!), then its stockings n possibly panties on top. You could of course argue I should loose weight and solve this problem, which is valid, but if im going to loose weight, im going to do it because I want to, not to fit into a corset and at the moment im very happy with who I am and how I. When you compare the cost of all the above to what guys pay in comparison they buy a a nice suit that they can reuse time and time again, stockings and some lingerie only have a short amount of life in them, especially when you get some guys that disrespectfully bite/rip into them and destroy them (yes this as happened on many occassions). The response you get is sorry I was in the moment, well if you were the one paying to replace it everytime you might think twice! With all this being said, yes it would balance the cost we women pay out by letting us in for free, however I dont think its fair that guys get charged so much, especially when we can choose not to pay out for all the above, but Ive been to a club without all the lingerie before and you dont get half as much attention, you men are visual creatures and you want the fantasy of it all. This attitude towards inequality of the sexes is nothing new, not just in swinging clubs, but also in clubs around town. Theres a popular club near me an the queues are shocking at times but the bouncers are told to limit the number of men allowed in to balance the men to women ration one group of guys last saturday had queued for ove an hour to get in, while me an my girls.got noticed in the queue then told to go straight in by the bouncers. As I said its not a new attitude and not one I see changing any time soon, so its a case of like it or lump it basically, sorry fellas! | |||
"To control numbers and make sure everyone gets to play, I propose a standard structure for all clubs, based on who you play with: Single straight male = £100 Single straight female = free Bi male = £50 Bi female = £50 Straight mf couple = £100 (£100 +£0) Fully bi couple =£100 (£50 + £50) Straight m, bi f =£150 Gay male = free gay female = £100 A club needs to cover its costs, but think about it, there is no such thing as a free lunch. If you aren't the customer, you are the product... Is there a special discount for dredgers? "Well, I assume they are either gay or could get a job as a cleaner
Dont usually turn up til lihhts out anyway | |||
"To control numbers and make sure everyone gets to play, I propose a standard structure for all clubs, based on who you play with: Single straight male = £100 Single straight female = free Bi male = £50 Bi female = £50 Straight mf couple = £100 (£100 +£0) Fully bi couple =£100 (£50 + £50) Straight m, bi f =£150 Gay male = free gay female = £100 A club needs to cover its costs, but think about it, there is no such thing as a free lunch. If you aren't the customer, you are the product... Is there a special discount for dredgers?
Free entry and all you can eat " | |||
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"I simply cannot see an argument in single women saying that getting in free counteracts the cost of them beautifying themselves? Do you get drinks cheaper in the pub because you have a manicure? Half price meals because you've had your hair done? It ludicrous You get the cheapest deals of all genders,don't try and justify why you need to get into clubs for free" I agree too given women will pay for make up etc irrespective of the cost, its automatic to slap some on just to go to the local shop. We don't give discount in the pub where I work for those who turn up with their with their nails and hair done as we don't discriminate | |||
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"I simply cannot see an argument in single women saying that getting in free counteracts the cost of them beautifying themselves? Do you get drinks cheaper in the pub because you have a manicure? Half price meals because you've had your hair done? It ludicrous You get the cheapest deals of all genders,don't try and justify why you need to get into clubs for free I agree too given women will pay for make up etc irrespective of the cost, its automatic to slap some on just to go to the local shop. We don't give discount in the pub where I work for those who turn up with their with their nails and hair done as we don't discriminate "They may not, but it's not uncommon to see "girls in free" at vanilla night clubs. They are just doing exactly the same thing. D | |||
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"Uuu how about the pound shop for his aftershave, that's even more saving "He said his aftershave wasn't cheap, so I pulled a figure out of nowhere but yes, there are cheaper aftershaves but not really cheaper stockings, make-up, etc | |||
"Have they put the price up for single guys who are already being ripped off? " No, usual prices for couples and single guys | |||
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"Yeah I know a couple of lady's who frequent chams, and sometimes get in for free Not sure that chams would like you to advertise the fact tho, unless the specifically have an offer on explicitly for single lady's In my opinion it's all good fun, supply and demand But how controversial would it be if chams only let the Milan catwalk lady's in for free ??? Not only discriminating against sex but also against looks. I'm sure that would put a few noses out of joint lol" You've obviously not seen my profile and/or pics coz I'm definitely NOT a catwalk lady (unless you count 'Rent-a-Tent) | |||
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"Won't this compound the issue? If women are going free, you may increase the number of females. However this in turn will increase the numbers of single guys, meaning a busierclub but with ppotential of the same disproportionate ratio. Meaning the women will still get lots of unwanted attention. Clubs need to be strict on the ratios they keep, and not see single men as the cash cows that they are. Just my humble opinion. I agree. " This!
Single guys will always be in the majority as long as clubs don't limit the numbers.
If free entry for women is designed to do anything but boost female numbers to equalise the ratio I'll run naked down Oxford Street!
As has been said - more women won't just balance the numbers using this model - it will attract yet more single males and perpetuate the uneven balance.
Playing devils advocate - if the women all turned up and there were only two guys in the building, I'm guessing they wouldn't be very happy? All that expense of hair, make up and hosiery going to waste because the two guys in attendance didn't fancy them or were too tired out from playing with others to give them a look in!!
If clubs want to attract a decent balance of genders the only way to effectively do this would be pre-booking by phone/online, rather than relying on who turns up on the door unannounced.
Any other tool - discounted/free entry, membership fees or other incentives just won't work.
But it would be a brave club that did this as they'd then be looking at reduced income.
As others have said - there's been no increase in single male prices, so why are the guys not happy at the prospect of more women attending? Equally though - there needs to be recognition that the single females (and to an extent couples!) are being subsidised by the disproportionate pricing structure.
It is what it is. It won't change. And guys that are unhappy about it can always vote with their feet and not go.
But again - that won't ever happen. It's usually the best chance many have to either participate in some fun - or at least get to see it live!
So since we're not living in 'swinging club utopia' - it's a question of recognising the simple facts of running a sustainable business model, or watching clubs die a death and close.
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"The Equality Act 2010 makes it very clear that you cannot discriminate based on gender. It's the main reason I don't go to clubs, because single guys are seen as the cash cows, they pay higher membership fees, higher entrance fees etc. " jesus here we go again..... that act also allows for "positive discrimination" is it can be shown that by doing it, it would improve the number of an under-represented group of people (in this case single women) to say it is done to help "beautifying cost" is probably silly, but the actually principle of getting more single ladies to attend is a sound one... it is interesting that the people who dont go to clubs always put up the price as a complaint.... but remember the membership is a one-off..... and to be honest I would probably spend more money on for example, a saturday night out going on to any big city centre for a night, than i do going to a club..... | |||
"The Equality Act 2010 makes it very clear that you cannot discriminate based on gender. It's the main reason I don't go to clubs, because single guys are seen as the cash cows, they pay higher membership fees, higher entrance fees etc. jesus here we go again..... that act also allows for "positive discrimination" is it can be shown that by doing it, it would improve the number of an under-represented group of people (in this case single women) to say it is done to help "beautifying cost" is probably silly, but the actually principle of getting more single ladies to attend is a sound one... it is interesting that the people who dont go to clubs always put up the price as a complaint.... but remember the membership is a one-off..... and to be honest I would probably spend more money on for example, a saturday night out going on to any big city centre for a night, than i do going to a club..... " Here we go again making statements that are not right! "remember the membership is a one-off....." its annual for many clubs ups £60 in some cases for single guys then an excessive entrance fee! If you are going to pontificate get your facts right. | |||
"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! " This!! Spent a fortune on all of the above sice joining fab!! Guys, on the other hand, simply'invest' in a few pairs of decent boxers! Xx | |||
"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! This!! Spent a fortune on all of the above sice joining fab!! Guys, on the other hand, simply'invest' in a few pairs of decent boxers! Xx" more fool you buying things to please others... | |||
"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! This!! Spent a fortune on all of the above sice joining fab!! Guys, on the other hand, simply'invest' in a few pairs of decent boxers! Xx" Some women don't do that its evident from profiles, some guys may just wear a pair of boxers others wax, preen, get haircuts, tan, have gym memberships etc. No matter what you spend you can't really use that to justify the imbalance in club fees as I see it. | |||
"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! This!! Spent a fortune on all of the above sice joining fab!! Guys, on the other hand, simply'invest' in a few pairs of decent boxers! Xx Some women don't do that its evident from profiles, some guys may just wear a pair of boxers others wax, preen, get haircuts, tan, have gym memberships etc. No matter what you spend you can't really use that to justify the imbalance in club fees as I see it. " 100% | |||
"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! This!! Spent a fortune on all of the above sice joining fab!! Guys, on the other hand, simply'invest' in a few pairs of decent boxers! Xx" Some of us make an effort for normal life so the expense is there regardless. .. | |||
" Here we go again making statements that are not right! "remember the membership is a one-off....." its annual for many clubs ups £60 in some cases for single guys then an excessive entrance fee! If you are going to pontificate get your facts right. "in "SOME" clubs you will find membership IS a one off.... in "SOME" Clubs it isn't... In "SOME" Clubs the membership fee will be higher than others.... In "SOME" Clubs the entrance free will be larger than other.... so do "some" research... because the generalisation does not apply to all clubs..... If "SOME" clubs treat the cliente in that way... yes, people should be principled enough to vote with their feet.... but it appears that most clubs seem to be doing fine.... | |||
"What's wrong with charging £10 p/p regardless of status
As I said before, if they did this then the clubs would be heaving with single guys and it would put a lot of us single ladies and couples off going "Spot on! There is no point having equality of pricing if the outcome is a club with only single guys...  | |||
" Here we go again making statements that are not right! "remember the membership is a one-off....." its annual for many clubs ups £60 in some cases for single guys then an excessive entrance fee! If you are going to pontificate get your facts right.
in "SOME" clubs you will find membership IS a one off....
in "SOME" Clubs it isn't...
In "SOME" Clubs the membership fee will be higher than others....
In "SOME" Clubs the entrance free will be larger than other....
so do "some" research... because the generalisation does not apply to all clubs.....
If "SOME" clubs treat the cliente in that way... yes, people should be principled enough to vote with their feet.... but it appears that most clubs seem to be doing fine....
"You didn't say SOME maybe you SHOULD have said SOME you obviously DON'T get about much maybe you SHOULD engage your thought process before making untrue statements and pontificating. | |||
"If guys think they are being ripped off they could just not go.............." | |||
"What's wrong with charging £10 p/p regardless of status
As I said before, if they did this then the clubs would be heaving with single guys and it would put a lot of us single ladies and couples off going
Spot on! There is no point having equality of pricing if the outcome is a club with only single guys... "Or the club could have a maximum number of single guys to couples and single females rather than fleecing single guys as SOME do. | |||
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"Uuu how about the pound shop for his aftershave, that's even more saving
He said his aftershave wasn't cheap, so I pulled a figure out of nowhere but yes, there are cheaper aftershaves but not really cheaper stockings, make-up, etc "Oh yes I know that but £30 shows how often I buy that kind of stuff as a gift | |||
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"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! This!! Spent a fortune on all of the above sice joining fab!! Guys, on the other hand, simply'invest' in a few pairs of decent boxers! Xx more fool you buying things to please others..." You're quite right!! Why on earth should we ladies make an effort to look sexy and alluring for guys who've waited patiently for weeks (sometimes months) to spend a few hours giving/receiving absolute pleasure?? I enjoy the look of delight on their faces ( and other parts) when they see me undress - and i'm sure there are lots of women/men out there who can appreciate this hun. But you have a right to a different opinion, of course! Xx | |||
"Yeah I know a couple of lady's who frequent chams, and sometimes get in for free Not sure that chams would like you to advertise the fact tho, unless the specifically have an offer on explicitly for single lady's In my opinion it's all good fun, supply and demand But how controversial would it be if chams only let the Milan catwalk lady's in for free ??? Not only discriminating against sex but also against looks. I'm sure that would put a few noses out of joint lol" That's exactly what happens in some of the swinging clubs in the states. Only the pretty people are allowed entrance or given discounts. Even in todays 'fairer' UK nightclub scene attractive women are often given free entrance and can jump queues. The less attractive women get wet outside and pay top dollar! | |||
"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! This!! Spent a fortune on all of the above sice joining fab!! Guys, on the other hand, simply'invest' in a few pairs of decent boxers! Xx more fool you buying things to please others... You're quite right!! Why on earth should we ladies make an effort to look sexy and alluring for guys who've waited patiently for weeks (sometimes months) to spend a few hours giving/receiving absolute pleasure?? I enjoy the look of delight on their faces ( and other parts) when they see me undress - and i'm sure there are lots of women/men out there who can appreciate this hun. But you have a right to a different opinion, of course! Xx" I totally agree, you are getting the sexual thrill from pleasing and that is self funded
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"Yeah I know a couple of lady's who frequent chams, and sometimes get in for free Not sure that chams would like you to advertise the fact tho, unless the specifically have an offer on explicitly for single lady's In my opinion it's all good fun, supply and demand But how controversial would it be if chams only let the Milan catwalk lady's in for free ??? Not only discriminating against sex but also against looks. I'm sure that would put a few noses out of joint lol That's exactly what happens in some of the swinging clubs in the states. Only the pretty people are allowed entrance or given discounts. Even in todays 'fairer' UK nightclub scene attractive women are often given free entrance and can jump queues. The less attractive women get wet outside and pay top dollar! " So should only the attractive women get into clubs for free and the less aesthetically pleasing pay a higher price? | |||
"Uuu how about the pound shop for his aftershave, that's even more saving
He said his aftershave wasn't cheap, so I pulled a figure out of nowhere but yes, there are cheaper aftershaves but not really cheaper stockings, make-up, etc
Oh yes I know that but £30 shows how often I buy that kind of stuff as a gift"Good quality perfumes and aftershave can cost the same amounts and last as long so wece found something thats a costly equal to box sexes yipee | |||
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"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! " Extremely valid point | |||
"The Equality Act 2010 makes it very clear that you cannot discriminate based on gender. It's the main reason I don't go to clubs, because single guys are seen as the cash cows, they pay higher membership fees, higher entrance fees etc. jesus here we go again..... that act also allows for "positive discrimination" is it can be shown that by doing it, it would improve the number of an under-represented group of people (in this case single women) to say it is done to help "beautifying cost" is probably silly, but the actually principle of getting more single ladies to attend is a sound one... it is interesting that the people who dont go to clubs always put up the price as a complaint.... but remember the membership is a one-off..... and to be honest I would probably spend more money on for example, a saturday night out going on to any big city centre for a night, than i do going to a club..... " I spend more money staying in the Hilton rather than the travelodge but that is my choice. How people choose to spend their money is their choice, I fail though to see how this justifies discrimination. | |||
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"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! Extremely valid point " | |||
"Im actually slightly shamed to be a woman reading some of the responses on here " I'm not. I'm proud that I'm different. | |||
"Im actually slightly shamed to be a woman reading some of the responses on here " You and me, both... | |||
"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! " Too right! Make them pay to have sex with you! ....... | |||
"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! Extremely valid point "Is it really? I drive a nice car, should I get a discount at Tesco? I only use Saphir shoe polish on my brogues, does that qualify me for a discount into the local wine bar? | |||
"Im actually slightly shamed to be a woman reading some of the responses on here I'm not. I'm proud that I'm different. " | |||
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"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! Extremely valid point "I don't agree.... No one has to fork out for anything, you choose too. I like to make a effort when going out but it doesn't have to cost a fortune. I have and use most of the items on a daily basis, like make up, hair products, nail varnish. I don't have to buy them for every meet.... | |||
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" Everyone in a club wants more females in attendance so it is a good idea to bring them in." Wrong.....not everyone | |||
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"Great idea, it helps offset the cost of the sexy clothes, heels, stockings, makeup, nails, hair-dos etc us girls have to fork out for, that you guys like to see! Too right! Make them pay to have sex with you! ......." Oh hang on... | |||
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"Tbh - though I fork out a lot (my choice I know) on lingerie etc to look good - I do agree that single men pay a grossly disproportianate entrance fee to everyone else. As a single fem I pay little or nothing to get into clubs. The townhouse had a 'milf monday' daytime opening a couple of weeks ago for which they charged £10 a profile - They had a hundred people there - including plenty of women - and hopefully the guys who didn't get the opportunity to play still had fun and felt a lot less 'ripped off' than they usually do! I also think charging single males so much can help to create the 'predator' image that a few of them have - as they perhaps feel that if they've paid so much to go in, they should get some sexual gratification for it! The answer is perhaps to even it out, if even slightly! But would it work? Who knows? Xx" | |||
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"Theoretically, what would 2 bi guys who are married to each other count as? Would they get in cheaper? Or would 2 bi lasses who are married to each other have to pay the couple fee? " 2 bi guys (genuine MM couple) on here asked if they got couples rate. They were told to pay as 2 single guys. | |||
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"Popped into Chams in Darlaston last night and was very pleasantly surprised when I was told to put my purse away ... Single ladies are getting in FREE for a trial period (although I wasn't made aware how long this will be for). If we all go down to the club and show our support for this initiative, there is a possibility that it may run for a longer period. Makes me want to pop in several times a week (if only the diesel to get there was free too or at least cheaper than it is)
Not impressed because its like the club is saying that single women are prostitutes,because they are only letting you in for free,on the hope that more men will come and pay to get in.....Men pay to get in I presume then have fun with a woman,who got in for free,it should all be equal,everyone pays the same...."completely agree | |||
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Fucking pisses me right off. "Thats because we are all bastards | |||
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"Single guys the pariahs of the swinging world.
Fucking pisses me right off. "Some seem to think that way but happy to take advantage of them all the same. | |||
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"Single guys the pariahs of the swinging world.
Fucking pisses me right off. "how to win friends . . Does that include all the single guys who's verifications you chose to show on your profile ? | |||
"Single guys the pariahs of the swinging world.
Fucking pisses me right off. how to win friends . . Does that include all the single guys who's verifications you chose to show on your profile ? "I think you have the total wrong end of the stick Femme spends half her time sticking up for single men on here. She is saying it pisses her off that single men are made out to be the pariahs of the swinging world! | |||
"Single guys the pariahs of the swinging world.
Fucking pisses me right off. how to win friends . . Does that include all the single guys who's verifications you chose to show on your profile ?
I think you have the total wrong end of the stick Femme spends half her time sticking up for single men on here. She is saying it pisses her off that single men are made out to be the pariahs of the swinging world! "ah. . Sorry. . Yes. . I can't be pretty AND clever. . Ha. Sorry. . I'll go sit in the corner ! | |||
"Single guys the pariahs of the swinging world.
Fucking pisses me right off. how to win friends . . Does that include all the single guys who's verifications you chose to show on your profile ? "You have missunderstood, I hate the way single guys are treated like pariahs.And I have shit loads of friends thanks, a lot are single guys too.....go figure! | |||
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"The Equality Act 2010 makes it very clear that you cannot discriminate based on gender. It's the main reason I don't go to clubs, because single guys are seen as the cash cows, they pay higher membership fees, higher entrance fees etc. jesus here we go again..... that act also allows for "positive discrimination" is it can be shown that by doing it, it would improve the number of an under-represented group of people (in this case single women) to say it is done to help "beautifying cost" is probably silly, but the actually principle of getting more single ladies to attend is a sound one... it is interesting that the people who dont go to clubs always put up the price as a complaint.... but remember the membership is a one-off..... and to be honest I would probably spend more money on for example, a saturday night out going on to any big city centre for a night, than i do going to a club..... " Jesus? I might need a shave but I don't resemble him just yet. As for positive discrimination, in a public/societal environment, that is very true, but I doubt any case for positive discrimination would stand up when the objective for such a policy is commercial gain. The cost isn't an issue for me, like you, I spend more on a normal night out in town. The principle of milking the single guys is one of the reasons I don't go to clubs. Add to that, that as people have referred to in this thread, the numbers of single guys compared to women wouldn't make it an enjoyable time anyway. I get enough fun through messaging and meets, I donned clubs, but nor do their policies tempt me ianyway. | |||
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"I'm currently sitting facing the wall. . Wearing a shirt that reads 'i'm a wombat' and I have my shoes on the wrong feet "Why ? | |||
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"Members and associates It is unlawful for a private club or other association to discriminate against, harass or victimise an existing or potential member or an associate. (An associate is someone who is not a member but who has some or all of the rights of a member because they are a member of an affiliated private club.) A club cannot refuse membership, or grant membership on less favourable terms (such as by applying different conditions or fees) because the person has a protected characteristic – disability, gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex or sexual orientation. I can see both sides here.... Men are screaming inequality Others are saying that women are being discounted. Unless someone takes a club to court, this arguement will go on for ever." it wouldnt stand up in court, clubs arent breaking any laws. | |||
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"Maybe they should do a free night for guys too? Think that will work? " As a lady, I would not go if the guys got in free. If the guys got in for free there would be millions of them. No thank you. | |||
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"Maybe they should do a free night for guys too? Think that will work? As a lady, I would not go if the guys got in free. If the guys got in for free there would be millions of them. No thank you." Xtasia held another FFFF night recently. Was free for everyone, there weren't 'millions' of single guys - and by all accounts everyone had a good time. A | |||
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"But am sure if they did a trial of equal entrance you would then get moans of going to a club and a few if any females and loads and loads of guys Exactly my point
Kage is the one event I know that's regular in singles clubs where it's 10pp regardless of who you are. It's also the night with the most women and couples too from my experience. "Kage is a fetish event, not swinging event! | |||
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"Single guys the pariahs of the swinging world.
Fucking pisses me right off. how to win friends . . Does that include all the single guys who's verifications you chose to show on your profile ? "I'm pretty sure she was joking hun!! Xxxxxxxx | |||
"Blatant sexism! "Might be , but a realistic approach to evening out the balances of the sexes. Anyone who does not like the policy is not compelled to attend . Better than a club full of men and no ladies | |||
"Blatant sexism! Might be , but a realistic approach to evening out the balances of the sexes. Anyone who does not like the policy is not compelled to attend . Better than a club full of men and no ladies"By admitting women free, all they're trying to do is attract more cash-cow men so, exactly the same result, I would say, - a total imbalance! | |||
