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"Seven years." What ever he gets wont be long enough | |||
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" I don't think he would survive in jail " Then jail it should be,his girlfriend didn't survive the shooting | |||
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"Not what he deserves that's for sure ..."  agreed | |||
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"Community service and a fine " This. He will weasel his way out of jail  | |||
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"One of the witnesses commented that he 'had suffered enough' I don't think so somehow. What about Reeva's parents? Personally, I think he should be considering himself exceedingly fortunate that he was not convicted of her murder, and therefore should accept of whatever sentence is handed down." Poor parents! Bah they were taking money from him and have suffered financially.....oh and they have the tour of the daytime chat shows organised.....exclusives don't come cheap | |||
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"What i'd give for a time machine or 5 minutes inside his head. Such a waste of a beautiful young woman's life. Mrs WD40 x" What was going through his head - the amount of drugs these olympic athletes take are unbelievable  probably screwed with his mind !
He deserves life & life should mean life not a couple of years. | |||
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"its sad when a life is taken but so has Oscars now" His choice to act as he did any reasonable person would know there are consequences to our actions. He's such a bad lier & his story of the events are flawed big time.Nothing but a fake.His only remorse is that no one believed his story when expected otherwise. | |||
"Why is the sentencing taking so long? This is one incredible case." it has dragged on | |||
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"You are in bed with your girlfriend! And you hear an intruder in your bathroom(that's where all the value will be)you pull out the shot gun and fire before you check your girlfriend is okay! of course it was an accident let him go free. NOT" I think I would have put the light on first before reaching for a gun. | |||
"what do you think he will get? I don't think he would survive in jail long awaiting the outcome" Apparently he has a price on his head, so defo dont think he would survive in jail, but is it fair for the judge to take that into account? Whether he meant to or not, he took a life. I've always believed his story to be honest, and he has obviously been traumatized by the whole thing, but if the judge isnt careful when choosing his sentencing, there will be a huge uproar. I hope whatever his sentence that Reeva's family will finally get some peace and time to grieve but I unfortunately I don't think thats likely. Juicy x | |||
"what do you think he will get? I don't think he would survive in jail long awaiting the outcome Apparently he has a price on his head, so defo dont think he would survive in jail, but is it fair for the judge to take that into account? Whether he meant to or not, he took a life. I've always believed his story to be honest, and he has obviously been traumatized by the whole thing, but if the judge isnt careful when choosing his sentencing, there will be a huge uproar. I hope whatever his sentence that Reeva's family will finally get some peace and time to grieve but I unfortunately I don't think thats likely. Juicy x" sorry but which version of his story did you believe??? because it has changed so much over time especially under cross examination and don't believe that nonsense about a price on his head oh please if he does go to prison (a big if) his gonna be on the hospital wing or I protective custody(if south African prisons have that) his not gonna be I general population with all the kills and thugs | |||
"You are in bed with your girlfriend! And you hear an intruder in your bathroom(that's where all the value will be)you pull out the shot gun and fire before you check your girlfriend is okay! of course it was an accident let him go free. NOT I think I would have put the light on first before reaching for a gun." Exactly! | |||
"what do you think he will get? I don't think he would survive in jail long awaiting the outcome Apparently he has a price on his head, so defo dont think he would survive in jail, but is it fair for the judge to take that into account? Whether he meant to or not, he took a life. I've always believed his story to be honest, and he has obviously been traumatized by the whole thing, but if the judge isnt careful when choosing his sentencing, there will be a huge uproar. I hope whatever his sentence that Reeva's family will finally get some peace and time to grieve but I unfortunately I don't think thats likely. Juicy x sorry but which version of his story did you believe??? because it has changed so much over time especially under cross examination and don't believe that nonsense about a price on his head oh please if he does go to prison (a big if) his gonna be on the hospital wing or I protective custody(if south African prisons have that) his not gonna be I general population with all the kills and thugs " I believe his version of events that he shot at her thinking she was an intruder because he had a heightened sense of vulnerability/paranoia due to his disability. I read today that the gang that runs all of the prisons (the 26s) have put a price on his head - whether thats true or not who knows, but I dont think he would last 5 mins. We know that South Africa is an incredibly fragile and corrupt country and it's perfectly believable that whether in solitary and/or extra secure confinement, they will get to him easily enough. The prisons in South Africa are not run by wardens, but by the people incarcerated within the walls and he doesn't stand a chance in my view. Some people would say that what would happen to him in prison would be nothing less than he deserves though. Its a complex case and I do not envy Judge Masipa! Juicy | |||
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"what do you think he will get? I don't think he would survive in jail long awaiting the outcome Apparently he has a price on his head, so defo dont think he would survive in jail, but is it fair for the judge to take that into account? Whether he meant to or not, he took a life. I've always believed his story to be honest, and he has obviously been traumatized by the whole thing, but if the judge isnt careful when choosing his sentencing, there will be a huge uproar. I hope whatever his sentence that Reeva's family will finally get some peace and time to grieve but I unfortunately I don't think thats likely. Juicy x sorry but which version of his story did you believe??? because it has changed so much over time especially under cross examination and don't believe that nonsense about a price on his head oh please if he does go to prison (a big if) his gonna be on the hospital wing or I protective custody(if south African prisons have that) his not gonna be I general population with all the kills and thugs I believe his version of events that he shot at her thinking she was an intruder because he had a heightened sense of vulnerability/paranoia due to his disability. I read today that the gang that runs all of the prisons (the 26s) have put a price on his head - whether thats true or not who knows, but I dont think he would last 5 mins. We know that South Africa is an incredibly fragile and corrupt country and it's perfectly believable that whether in solitary and/or extra secure confinement, they will get to him easily enough. The prisons in South Africa are not run by wardens, but by the people incarcerated within the walls and he doesn't stand a chance in my view. Some people would say that what would happen to him in prison would be nothing less than he deserves though. Its a complex case and I do not envy Judge Masipa! Juicy " for me I don't believe that for a second too many holes in the story and parts that just don't make sense for me and maybe it's me but i don't believe this so called gang wanna kill him for what reason because they care about a miscarriage of justice I think not I don't he would get killed maybe given a hard time and extorted but a celebrity killed in a prison spells trouble for everybody especially the so called gangs that apparently runs this prison because if he got killed in there that would all stop because the world would then want justice for Oscar | |||
"You are in bed with your girlfriend! And you hear an intruder in your bathroom(that's where all the value will be)you pull out the shot gun and fire before you check your girlfriend is okay! of course it was an accident let him go free. NOT I think I would have put the light on first before reaching for a gun. Exactly!" And make yourself an easy target if there was an armed intruder? | |||
"Roses are red, violets are glorious. Don't creep up on oscar pistorius." That made me lol! Im saying 5 years! | |||
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"Just don't let him have a gun....." guns shouldn't be available | |||
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"Still dragging on just tell us in a few words jail or no jail!!! The rioters are waiting outside in the heat !!" Top him that's what he deserves | |||
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"How inconsiderate with the timing bloody school run time!! but I bet it will be after lunch break the way things are going on lol" It looks like she has a hundred pages to read ! | |||
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"How inconsiderate with the timing bloody school run time!! but I bet it will be after lunch break the way things are going on lol It looks like she has a hundred pages to read !" That is only the first pile lol | |||
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"Mercy? !...jeezzz there shouldn't be any mercy towards pistorius .." totally agree....send him down!! | |||
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"5 years ..." Ditto | |||
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"lets hope his ass takes a proper pounding in prison!!! " Yes, because that's true punishment for killing someone,either by accident or pre meditated murder  | |||
"lets hope his ass takes a proper pounding in prison!!! " that's a common fantasy for some but its not actually part of the sentence.. | |||
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"Will be out in 2 years, shambles, but harsher than I had expected." its 'manslaughter' which I think the equivalent sentence historically over here when mainly men commit same with wives/partners is probably comparable.. | |||
"5 years ..." That's nothing for a life . Fame and money and no legs has got him off. 5 years is nothing for this and will get off a lot doing a lot charity work too. | |||
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"He can ask for parole after 10 months .. "He can ask....doesn't mean he'll get it | |||
"lets hope his ass takes a proper pounding in prison!!! that's a common fantasy for some but its not actually part of the sentence.." Maybe it should lol...although remove the prosthetic limbs and he ideal height to suck off all the prisoners!! | |||
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"Seven years." I was close. | |||
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"Suppose not everyone can feel the exact same way. But I know if someone killed my daughter, I wouldn't be happy with a five year sentence. If their happy then that's a good thing! " Just out of curiosity, what would you consider a fair sentence? | |||
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"Suppose not everyone can feel the exact same way. But I know if someone killed my daughter, I wouldn't be happy with a five year sentence. If their happy then that's a good thing! Just out of curiosity, what would you consider a fair sentence?" 10 years or more at least | |||
"Clearly not "happy" but feel justice was done. " Exactly. A level of justice has been served which is all that can happen when a person is killed by accident or otherwise. Pistorius life will forever be an unhappy one on some level due to this happening to him - he isn't a murderer as such but he did kill a person which is a hell of a thing to have to live with if you're not a psychopath. | |||
"Consider for a minute what the man has gone through since the night of the shooting. His mental state has been affected, he's almost bankrupt, he will most likely never be a professional athlete again, he has lost friends and he will have to live with what he did for the rest of his life." And the family have lost Reeva forever | |||
"Seems like everyone is happy with the sentence including the Reeves family" Perhaps it's just the closure they needed. The trial is over with, now they can continue to grieve and learn to live a life without their loved one in it. | |||
"Consider for a minute what the man has gone through since the night of the shooting. His mental state has been affected, he's almost bankrupt, he will most likely never be a professional athlete again, he has lost friends and he will have to live with what he did for the rest of his life. And the family have lost Reeva forever "Yes, but a harsher sentence won't bring her back - all they can hope for is a level of closure, and that's what this does. All this eye-for-an-eye stuff, or sending people to prison does nothing to make the pain of loss any different I can assure you. The Steenkamp's are sensible people, and they understand this, clearly. | |||
"Seems like everyone is happy with the sentence including the Reeves family" Wrong word used but should have been ok instead of happy | |||
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"Something in the region of ten years. Not exactly sure if the minimum/maximum sentence for culpable homicide are similar as in Scotland to what was an option in South Africa." What difference does the sentence make though? You'll still feel the same way. | |||
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"No sentence would bring her back, not sure what that proves? " It proves that getting over death is not about revenge, or bitterness. It's about closure and moving on. | |||
"Consider for a minute what the man has gone through since the night of the shooting. His mental state has been affected, he's almost bankrupt, he will most likely never be a professional athlete again, he has lost friends and he will have to live with what he did for the rest of his life. And the family have lost Reeva forever
Yes, but a harsher sentence won't bring her back - all they can hope for is a level of closure, and that's what this does. All this eye-for-an-eye stuff, or sending people to prison does nothing to make the pain of loss any different I can assure you. The Steenkamp's are sensible people, and they understand this, clearly."Firstly Not once did I say a harsher would bring her back and I never said anything about an eye for an eye stuff stop putting words in my mouth I was just pointing out the sympathy should be with the family not Oscar and what his gone through is nothing compared to what the family have gone through | |||
"Consider for a minute what the man has gone through since the night of the shooting. His mental state has been affected, he's almost bankrupt, he will most likely never be a professional athlete again, he has lost friends and he will have to live with what he did for the rest of his life. And the family have lost Reeva forever
Yes, but a harsher sentence won't bring her back - all they can hope for is a level of closure, and that's what this does. All this eye-for-an-eye stuff, or sending people to prison does nothing to make the pain of loss any different I can assure you. The Steenkamp's are sensible people, and they understand this, clearly.
Firstly Not once did I say a harsher would bring her back and I never said anything about an eye for an eye stuff stop putting words in my mouth I was just pointing out the sympathy should be with the family not Oscar and what his gone through is nothing compared to what the family have gone through"OK take it easy - I used your comments and was commenting on the entire thread. I have sympathy for Pistorius and the Steenkamp family if the truth be known. He has a lot to live through as well. Like I said earlier, nobody wins. | |||
"Something in the region of ten years. Not exactly sure if the minimum/maximum sentence for culpable homicide are similar as in Scotland to what was an option in South Africa." I think this is the issue whenever people talk about this trial. The justice system in South Africa is different to over here so sentences that we expect to be served here may not be the tariffs that judges in South Africa have to work with. | |||
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"If he genuinely believed there was an intruder in his house then I don't think he acted disproportionately. There were a number of questions though that made me wonder. I am surprised that he didn't just get house arrest. Justice in SA is very much loaded in the favour of black politicians, political hangers on, then celebs and finally ordinary folk like us. Had it been a politician he would have got community service. Someone like us would have been 20 years. I just hope he survives and doesn't come out with aids." Your post was going well until your bizarre ending about AIDS. There have been reports of prisoners in the prison he's going to, making ready for him. He'll be very well looked after by all accounts, so your comment makes little sense and is inflammatory at best. | |||
"Consider for a minute what the man has gone through since the night of the shooting. His mental state has been affected, he's almost bankrupt, he will most likely never be a professional athlete again, he has lost friends and he will have to live with what he did for the rest of his life. And the family have lost Reeva forever
Yes, but a harsher sentence won't bring her back - all they can hope for is a level of closure, and that's what this does. All this eye-for-an-eye stuff, or sending people to prison does nothing to make the pain of loss any different I can assure you. The Steenkamp's are sensible people, and they understand this, clearly.
Firstly Not once did I say a harsher would bring her back and I never said anything about an eye for an eye stuff stop putting words in my mouth I was just pointing out the sympathy should be with the family not Oscar and what his gone through is nothing compared to what the family have gone through
OK take it easy - I used your comments and was commenting on the entire thread. I have sympathy for Pistorius and the Steenkamp family if the truth be known. He has a lot to live through as well. Like I said earlier, nobody wins."Ok fair enough but I don't have any sympathy for Oscar what's so ever maybe that's because I don't believe his BS story (in my opinion) but my sympathy is firmly with the Steenkamp family only but see where you coming from just don't agree with you | |||
"Something in the region of ten years. Not exactly sure if the minimum/maximum sentence for culpable homicide are similar as in Scotland to what was an option in South Africa. I think this is the issue whenever people talk about this trial. The justice system in South Africa is different to over here so sentences that we expect to be served here may not be the tariffs that judges in South Africa have to work with. " That's what I was trying to say maybe unsuccessfully lol. Even in the Uk the legal systems are not the same. So hard comparisons. | |||
"Something in the region of ten years. Not exactly sure if the minimum/maximum sentence for culpable homicide are similar as in Scotland to what was an option in South Africa. I think this is the issue whenever people talk about this trial. The justice system in South Africa is different to over here so sentences that we expect to be served here may not be the tariffs that judges in South Africa have to work with. " he could of got anything upto 15years in South Africa | |||
"OK take it easy - I used your comments and was commenting on the entire thread. I have sympathy for Pistorius and the Steenkamp family if the truth be known. He has a lot to live through as well. Like I said earlier, nobody wins. Ok fair enough but I don't have any sympathy for Oscar what's so ever maybe that's because I don't believe his BS story (in my opinion) but my sympathy is firmly with the Steenkamp family only but see where you coming from just don't agree with you" No worries, opinion divides massively on this one and rightly so - it's a tricky case to call on so many levels. I don't believe the killing was premeditated so therefore he made a mistake - albeit a really fucking big one. | |||
"OK take it easy - I used your comments and was commenting on the entire thread. I have sympathy for Pistorius and the Steenkamp family if the truth be known. He has a lot to live through as well. Like I said earlier, nobody wins. Ok fair enough but I don't have any sympathy for Oscar what's so ever maybe that's because I don't believe his BS story (in my opinion) but my sympathy is firmly with the Steenkamp family only but see where you coming from just don't agree with you No worries, opinion divides massively on this one and rightly so - it's a tricky case to call on so many levels. I don't believe the killing was premeditated so therefore he made a mistake - albeit a really fucking big one." now that's an understatement if I ever read one lol but I do get what you mean | |||
"No worries, opinion divides massively on this one and rightly so - it's a tricky case to call on so many levels. I don't believe the killing was premeditated so therefore he made a mistake - albeit a really fucking big one. now that's an understatement if I ever read one lol but I do get what you mean " If he planned to kill her, then I very much doubt he would have done it in his own house, or walked downstairs with her blooded body in his arms, or made a phone call to security in floods of tears etc! | |||
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"No worries, opinion divides massively on this one and rightly so - it's a tricky case to call on so many levels. I don't believe the killing was premeditated so therefore he made a mistake - albeit a really fucking big one. now that's an understatement if I ever read one lol but I do get what you mean If he planned to kill her, then I very much doubt he would have done it in his own house, or walked downstairs with her blooded body in his arms, or made a phone call to security in floods of tears etc!" never said he planned to kill her but I do think he snapped big time and when people snap all sense goes out the window for example remember that women who snapped during an argument with her boyfriend stabbed him and killed him in the car called the police said it was somebody else after road rage forget her name but my point is people snap and try and cover it up afterwards when they are thinking straight again | |||
"House arrest ? Does this mean he has to wear a tag around his ankle. Won't he just go out and leave that particular leg at home ? " They will probably put it on his wrist instead | |||
"No worries, opinion divides massively on this one and rightly so - it's a tricky case to call on so many levels. I don't believe the killing was premeditated so therefore he made a mistake - albeit a really fucking big one. now that's an understatement if I ever read one lol but I do get what you mean If he planned to kill her, then I very much doubt he would have done it in his own house, or walked downstairs with her blooded body in his arms, or made a phone call to security in floods of tears etc! never said he planned to kill her but I do think he snapped big time and when people snap all sense goes out the window for example remember that women who snapped during an argument with her boyfriend stabbed him and killed him in the car called the police said it was somebody else after road rage forget her name but my point is people snap and try and cover it up afterwards when they are thinking straight again " Tracie Andrews....I only know because she looked like a friend I had at the time who could also snap at any given moment | |||
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"I'm late to this thread so bear with me. . Has anyone mentioned what SA prison is like ? I don't know . . But i have heard they are a polarised version of modern south africa. . Harsh . . Corrupt . . Violent to the extreme. In a nutshell i see it like this . . Bloke acts a twat with a gun. . Shoots the love of his life dead. Shatters two families' lives . And his own. I'd guess a man who has had his life hasn't had it easy and learned to act the victim or lie through his teeth. Both families accept the sentence. He'll most likely be brutalised in jail. A lot. Because he's famous and is an easy target. Fair point or have a missed something ? " Look at Rolf drawing pics for the masses | |||
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"I think they are a bit scared having to look after him in jail and keeping him safe and maybe if out its not them who will get the blame if he is hurt in some way ... as there some who will be looking to get to him for the fame and the money in jail as they know he has both." Was just watching sky news and they interviewed a South African journalist who has been looking into the court and prison system. It was her opinion that there was no doubt that Oscar would get the VIP prison treatment. She was also commenting on the defence team smiling after the verdict as they left court. This would make you think their happy with the sentence so doubt they'll be appealing. Was interesting to hear what she had to say. | |||
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"He could be out in ten months,how can that be right?. "Out of jail but not the end of his sentence, there is a period of house arrest. | |||
"If he genuinely believed there was an intruder in his house then I don't think he acted disproportionately. There were a number of questions though that made me wonder. I am surprised that he didn't just get house arrest. Justice in SA is very much loaded in the favour of black politicians, political hangers on, then celebs and finally ordinary folk like us. Had it been a politician he would have got community service. Someone like us would have been 20 years. I just hope he survives and doesn't come out with aids. Your post was going well until your bizarre ending about AIDS. There have been reports of prisoners in the prison he's going to, making ready for him. He'll be very well looked after by all accounts, so your comment makes little sense and is inflammatory at best." You obviously are not aware of the horrific overcrowding, AIDS and sexual violence prevalent in South African prisons. Group cells with up to 20 people in them, corrupt prison officers often turning a blind eye to assaults make rape an all took common occurrence in SA prisons. Even being in a holding cell overnight has had horrific consequences for a large number of men in SA. SA prisons are nothing like Porridge. | |||
"If he genuinely believed there was an intruder in his house then I don't think he acted disproportionately. There were a number of questions though that made me wonder. I am surprised that he didn't just get house arrest. Justice in SA is very much loaded in the favour of black politicians, political hangers on, then celebs and finally ordinary folk like us. Had it been a politician he would have got community service. Someone like us would have been 20 years. I just hope he survives and doesn't come out with aids. Your post was going well until your bizarre ending about AIDS. There have been reports of prisoners in the prison he's going to, making ready for him. He'll be very well looked after by all accounts, so your comment makes little sense and is inflammatory at best. You obviously are not aware of the horrific overcrowding, AIDS and sexual violence prevalent in South African prisons. Group cells with up to 20 people in them, corrupt prison officers often turning a blind eye to assaults make rape an all took common occurrence in SA prisons. Even being in a holding cell overnight has had horrific consequences for a large number of men in SA. SA prisons are nothing like Porridge." Is this from your own experiences? | |||
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"They should take his legs off him,throw them away and let the snake crawl until end of his sentence" | |||
"They should take his legs off him,throw them away and let the snake crawl until end of his sentence" Wow that's a nasty death really .. He should go into the main prison and do his time like others . | |||
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"He could be out in ten months,how can that be right?.
Out of jail but not the end of his sentence, there is a period of house arrest. "house arrest is nothing really if you look into it, not like he would be confined to his home 24/7 | |||
"They should take his legs off him,throw them away and let the snake crawl until end of his sentence" Yes of course they should  | |||
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" You obviously are not aware of the horrific overcrowding, AIDS and sexual violence prevalent in South African prisons. Group cells with up to 20 people in them, corrupt prison officers often turning a blind eye to assaults make rape an all took common occurrence in SA prisons. Even being in a holding cell overnight has had horrific consequences for a large number of men in SA. SA prisons are nothing like Porridge." I am aware of the state of the prison system in South Africa - I'm also aware that money talks and that it has already been quoted by prison inmates in SA (and by me already on this thread) that Pistorius will be well looked after in prison by those inmates, and the gangs inside who are all ready to help him do his time unharmed in return for money, of which he still has more than the majority of them do. You may well be right about certain aspects of prison life in SA, but I really don't think the same rules apply to certain people. Thanks for qualifying a little further on your earlier post by the way - initially it seemed like a very knee-jerk, throwaway comment so thanks for backing it up a bit more. | |||
"If he genuinely believed there was an intruder in his house then I don't think he acted disproportionately. There were a number of questions though that made me wonder. I am surprised that he didn't just get house arrest. Justice in SA is very much loaded in the favour of black politicians, political hangers on, then celebs and finally ordinary folk like us. Had it been a politician he would have got community service. Someone like us would have been 20 years. I just hope he survives and doesn't come out with aids. Your post was going well until your bizarre ending about AIDS. There have been reports of prisoners in the prison he's going to, making ready for him. He'll be very well looked after by all accounts, so your comment makes little sense and is inflammatory at best. You obviously are not aware of the horrific overcrowding, AIDS and sexual violence prevalent in South African prisons. Group cells with up to 20 people in them, corrupt prison officers often turning a blind eye to assaults make rape an all took common occurrence in SA prisons. Even being in a holding cell overnight has had horrific consequences for a large number of men in SA. SA prisons are nothing like Porridge. Is this from your own experiences?" Not direct personal experience but I've known quite a few people on both sides of the bars in SA prisons. | |||
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"well the judge HAD to jail him I think he got off lightly.. could have been up to 15 years ..... someone on the radio said there can be 12 men together so god help him even if he didn't realise it was Reeva he shot to kill whoever it was judging from his aim such a tragedy lives lost he will have lots of time to reflect for sure " he got off according to the laws and sentencing of his country. I have to say I watched most of the trial, read most of the SKYNEWS TV coverage and their tweets and came to this conclusion. The prosecution had to concede to large parts of the defense evidence. NEL, completely and utterly tried to use the prosecutions evidence to suit his version of events, he was completely misguided by the evidence collected and how it was secured by at best a dubious police service.(remember the original investigating officer was also under investigation) ""Hilton Botha, the detective leading the investigation, had crumbled under defence cross-examination on Wednesday after he wrongly claimed to have found boxes of "testosterone" in Pistorius's bedroom and admitted that police had no evidence contradicting the athlete's version of events. On Thursday further pressure was piled on South African police as they admitted Botha is himself charged with attempted murder"". Witnesses were shown to have no idea what Pistorius sounded like so the evidence over a women screaming was at best inaccurate plus Reeva couldn't have screamed due to the nature of her injuries. their recollection of time lines of events were grossly inconsistent as at the times claimed security was patrolling outside and around Pistorius's home and no screams or disturbances occurred. and those that matched the defense versions were ignored. Evidence was tampered with and not stored correctly or securely, eg The toilet door was left in a hall way for weeks uncovered. Personal possessions went missing such as one of Oscars watches.The scene was tampered with or changed. That included Reevas jeans which in one pic were the wrong way out and in another the right way. Electrical items were unplugged and moved. the hall and bathroom light were both not working so it would be impossible to see into the pitch black room. The defense forensic witness had far many years experience and had been in charge of the countries forensics, he was grossly more qualified than the prosecution witness, to the point of being able to recognise the patterns and structure of stone and wood. He discovered injuries to Reeva that the states pathology had missed. gun shots that were heard were conceded by the prosecution to be that of the cricket bat hitting the door. Reeva had left her Valentine gift and card at the scene. this wasn't looked at by the prosecution. A witness that had claimed to always sleep with their curtains open was found on many separate occasions to draw them. The list goes on. During Oscars young life while living with his mother the family would sleep in her room and she would sleep with and keep a pistol under her pillow as they'd experienced many break ins. It was also demonstrated the He was on his stumps at the time of firing due to the angle of the shots, the shots didn't form a concise pattern as if firing at a range and remember firing such a powerful handgun when on stumps would have affected his balance. The marks on the door and the fabric in the varnish and the striations caused could only occur with him wearing his prosthesis and the door upright as he claimed from when he went to retrieve the cricket bat and legs and as he attempted to break and kick down the door. You see there were foot prints on the door which were discovered to come from the detectives and those at the scene who repeatedly walked over the door as it lay on the bathroom floor crushing the various fibre strands and corrupting the evidence and as I said earlier the door was then stored in a hallway, just left laying up against a wall. Nel, failed to secure a conviction of premeditated murder simply because and despite his best attempts to show Pistorius as an evil disabled man that the evidence just didn't stack up, it couldn't and never would show premeditation. Again the prosecution had to concede many points including the timelines of more shots than were actually fired. And don't forget that in the last week or so it was revealed that the Steenkamps have been receiving monies from Oscar sine her death and kept it Quiet? "The parents of Reeva Steenkamp have been receiving secret monthly payments of 6,000 South African rand (£341) from Oscar Pistorius since her death, but have turned down a lump sum of 375,000 rand (£21,299) as “blood money”. The cash transfers have not been made public over the past 18 months but emerged on Tuesday during the Paralympian’s trial, to the surprise of many in court. It was said the Steenkamps have promised to return “every cent” of the money sent by the man who killed their daughter." Remember Reeva was the families source of income. it was also revealed in court: 'Oscar is a very proud person' Van Zyl said Pistorius sometimes used his own money to pay for other people's prosthetic legs. "Mr Pistorius has always been a very proud person and he never wanted to let people know... that he is actually donating his own funds to help people make prosthetics," he said. He was involved with charities like Reach for a Dream and the United Nations Children's Fund free of charge and at his own cost and time, Van Zyl said. Pistorius also went into townships and helped get people to test their eyes. He gave advice to parents who had children whose legs had to be amputated. The court heard that in Italy Pistorius had an event for a young girl who lost both her arms and legs due to meningitis. "He took it a step further by pushing this girl in a wheelchair for [a] five kilometre fun run." Before the shooting, Pistorius was involved with a university in Glasgow to develop prosthetics that were more durable, cost effective and comfortable." As much as you dislike or have jumped on the dislike bandwagon Pistorius didn't kill Reeva with premeditation. they then have case law of indiv's not serving a prison sentence where there has been a killing in the home. They also in South Africa have a philosophy/system called Ubuntu which relates to redemption, "At Nelson Mandela's memorial, United States President Barack Obama spoke about Ubuntu, saying, "There is a word in South Africa – Ubuntu – a word that captures Mandela’s greatest gift: his recognition that we are all bound together in ways that are invisible to the eye; that there is a oneness to humanity; that we achieve ourselves by sharing ourselves with others, and caring for those around us." Which ever way you look at this case it's the most tragic of circumstances for all concerned. No one with his life, fears and up bringing could properly understand what went through his mind that night. remember, Nel had all the tools available to secure a conviction for premeditated murder and he couldn't. The evidence wasn't just flawed it wasn't possible. The Steenkamps have said they are happy with the conviction, Pistorius family have said he will embrace the decision. Pistorius family are aggrieved in the way in which Nel played the case and his attempts to keep up the premeditation angle despite agreeing with the defense points from time to time. As I watched the trial unfold both online AND Live on SKY NEWS and via Twitter( IT WAS ALWAYS DIFFERENT TO THE ACTUAL WORDS SPOKEN IN COURT) who seemed desperate to get a premed verdict were ultimately disappointed it was understandable Why the Pistorius family are holding this view. During the case SKY had on there team a SA lawyer who loved the TV camera, his opinions whilst the trial was in progress were listened to like Moses handing down the commandments earned him a judgeship, but later had to back track on some of his opinions as the evidence unfolded in OP favor. Of course You have to feel for the Steenkamps, they have lost a beautiful daughter and now they are going to struggle going forward. They have been let down by Nel who's possibly promised far more than he could deliver! Oh and I'm not a fan of or dislike Pistorius, I was intrigued by the SA justice system and as I had the time of the trial free I watched out of some morbid curiosity you know like you would and it just so happened that I found a new job just as he was being subject to the mental health checks. then some 6 weeks into my new role whilst traveling home I was hit head on at a combined speed of some 120mph and I was trapped in my car for some 3 hours, turned out she'd overtaken cars in front of her coming towards me and to do so crossed double white lines! I've been having flash backs of the incident thats put me here in the chair. and trust me when I say there's a considerable amount of fear as well! I'll say no more on that. | |||
"If he genuinely believed there was an intruder in his house then I don't think he acted disproportionately. There were a number of questions though that made me wonder. I am surprised that he didn't just get house arrest. Justice in SA is very much loaded in the favour of black politicians, political hangers on, then celebs and finally ordinary folk like us. Had it been a politician he would have got community service. Someone like us would have been 20 years. I just hope he survives and doesn't come out with aids. Your post was going well until your bizarre ending about AIDS. There have been reports of prisoners in the prison he's going to, making ready for him. He'll be very well looked after by all accounts, so your comment makes little sense and is inflammatory at best. You obviously are not aware of the horrific overcrowding, AIDS and sexual violence prevalent in South African prisons. Group cells with up to 20 people in them, corrupt prison officers often turning a blind eye to assaults make rape an all took common occurrence in SA prisons. Even being in a holding cell overnight has had horrific consequences for a large number of men in SA. SA prisons are nothing like Porridge. Is this from your own experiences? Not direct personal experience but I've known quite a few people on both sides of the bars in SA prisons." I understand that the Governor of the jail is somewhat angry at these comments about OP being looked after inside as it's the paid job of the guards to do that and it seems heads will roll! not literally I sure! | |||
"He may struggle to bend down for the soap ??" interesting comment coming from a 'genuine' faceless individual? | |||
"It always upsets meet when the terms 'closure' and 'moving on' are used so glibly. When you lose a child there is no closure, no moving on. You slowly develop coping mechanisms that allow you some respite, mechanisms that supress, mask, and make life bearable and worth living. Five, Ten years may pass, but the pain stays as strong as ever. For the rest of their lives not a day will go by without them thinking about her, and how they miss her." good response, not trying to be flippant but watched the Mary Berry interview with Piers Morgan earlier and I'd no idea she'd lost one of her sons when he was just 19 and studying at Bristol, he'd taken his sister to pick up a newspaper one afternoon and had a car accident and died, his sister survived without a mark. even now after all the time that has passed she was tearful! it was very moving, her sentiments were exactly as you said. | |||
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