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"Views on whether its a genuine disease(accepted by medical board)or lack of will power?" So what's your view? | |||
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" yOuR aW tAWkiN pIEsH, hic "hahahaha,,  its not funny its hicup,
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"Thanks for your reply,have a think on this,why can new borns be delivered dependant on alcohol, and other mind altering substances?" Because their mother either drank heavily or took drugs during pregnancy which passes straight through the placenta into the foetus blood system,hence them being born addicted.I believe a baby born addicted to alcohol can sometimes be diagnosed as having 'foetal alcohol syndrome' which is a medical condition as it causes long lasting problems with development etc. | |||
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"Brill well done but thats you,im asking the question across the board as i have a friend that has huge problems with the booze and cant remove it from her life,a nicer girl that you couldnt meet." Well then she needs to admit she has a problem and get help, if she won't admit it to herself then theres not much you can do. | |||
"I agree its an addiction,not an illness or disease. For the thousands of people out there who are unfortunate enough to suffer from a true disease or illness to be labelled in the same term as an alcoholic is a bit of a piss take, in my view." I couldn't agree more!  | |||
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"I agree its an addiction,not an illness or disease. For the thousands of people out there who are unfortunate enough to suffer from a true disease or illness to be labelled in the same term as an alcoholic is a bit of a piss take, in my view." and quite insultive | |||
"I agree its an addiction,not an illness or disease. For the thousands of people out there who are unfortunate enough to suffer from a true disease or illness to be labelled in the same term as an alcoholic is a bit of a piss take, in my view." HERE HERE!! | |||
"Thanks for your reply,have a think on this,why can new borns be delivered dependant on alcohol, and other mind altering substances? Because their mother either drank heavily or took drugs during pregnancy which passes straight through the placenta into the foetus blood system,hence them being born addicted.I believe a baby born addicted to alcohol can sometimes be diagnosed as having 'foetal alcohol syndrome' which is a medical condition as it causes long lasting problems with development etc." i work with a child who has FAS well i say child he is 17 but has a mental age of about 7 its for me horrible to think he is how he is because his mother either couldnt or wouldnt give up drink while carrying him | |||
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"i really beleive its a genuine illness albeit an addiction too ..my brother in law died in the gutter age 42 he was a successfull surveyor but he just couldnt stop drinking but his mother was an alcholic and so is his son who is dying from liver failure age 36...meaybe heredity is involved too something in the genes ??? " it learned behaviour, certainly not in your genes, obviously only my opinion, maybe he drank because he grew up watching his mother drinking and so on for his son, its just a knock on effect, nobody else in my family has a drink problem, infact of anything because of my childhood id say its made me more likely not to end up dependent on alcohol, i suppose like most things it can turn you one way or the other depending on how strong minded you are | |||
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"If you wish to really learn about alcoholism I suggest you read 'Our George' by his sister, Barbera Best. If you think you know what this disease is - and yes, it is a disease, then you may be surprised to discover that you may not know as much as you think. George Best's mother never touched alcohol until she was 42 and up until that point she was a model mother & wife. She died of acloholism just 7 years later, and we all know what happened to George. It isn't a disease like cancer, or alzheimers, and it does require a trigger, a hook if you like, and people who succumb to it have a natural intolerance to alcohol and an inability to leave it alone, and that's what leads to alcoholism. Some of the views I've read on here about it show a complete ignorance to what it is and how deep rooted it can go. But don't take my word for it, read the book I mentioned. It changed my views on alcoholism as previously I thought they just a bunch of weak-willed tossers, whereas now I know that some people should never touch alcohol, never even be allowed in the same room as booze." Do you think that's the same for every alcoholic? | |||
"If you wish to really learn about alcoholism I suggest you read 'Our George' by his sister, Barbera Best. If you think you know what this disease is - and yes, it is a disease, then you may be surprised to discover that you may not know as much as you think. George Best's mother never touched alcohol until she was 42 and up until that point she was a model mother & wife. She died of acloholism just 7 years later, and we all know what happened to George. It isn't a disease like cancer, or alzheimers, and it does require a trigger, a hook if you like, and people who succumb to it have a natural intolerance to alcohol and an inability to leave it alone, and that's what leads to alcoholism. Some of the views I've read on here about it show a complete ignorance to what it is and how deep rooted it can go. But don't take my word for it, read the book I mentioned. It changed my views on alcoholism as previously I thought they just a bunch of weak-willed tossers, whereas now I know that some people should never touch alcohol, never even be allowed in the same room as booze." Just because people have a different view to you it doesnt make them ignorant  | |||
"If you wish to really learn about alcoholism I suggest you read 'Our George' by his sister, Barbera Best. If you think you know what this disease is - and yes, it is a disease, then you may be surprised to discover that you may not know as much as you think. George Best's mother never touched alcohol until she was 42 and up until that point she was a model mother & wife. She died of acloholism just 7 years later, and we all know what happened to George. It isn't a disease like cancer, or alzheimers, and it does require a trigger, a hook if you like, and people who succumb to it have a natural intolerance to alcohol and an inability to leave it alone, and that's what leads to alcoholism. Some of the views I've read on here about it show a complete ignorance to what it is and how deep rooted it can go. But don't take my word for it, read the book I mentioned. It changed my views on alcoholism as previously I thought they just a bunch of weak-willed tossers, whereas now I know that some people should never touch alcohol, never even be allowed in the same room as booze. Do you think that's the same for every alcoholic?" Yes, the intolerance to alcohol and the inability to say no to it. I think that pretty much defines it. | |||
"Just because people have a different view to you it doesnt make them ignorant "There isn't a league table of bona fide illnesses and diseases you know. You don't have a higher place in the pecking order because you have a 'genuine' illness. Would you say lung cancer is a genuine disease, or one brought about by smoking? | |||
"Just because people have a different view to you it doesnt make them ignorant
There isn't a league table of bona fide illnesses and diseases you know. You don't have a higher place in the pecking order because you have a 'genuine' illness.
Would you say lung cancer is a genuine disease, or one brought about by smoking?"In some cases it is brought about by smoking in others it is not. Nobody has said anything about a pecking order except you,in my opinion and that of many others alcoholism is not an illness,it is an addiction. And just because George Best's sister says differently does that mean we all should follow like sheep and agree? | |||
"And just because George Best's sister says differently does that mean we all should follow like sheep and agree? " ..and the General Medical Council, and all the doctors, nurses and surgeons that treated him, the support network that exists for alcoholics. They have the qualifications and extensive experience so I think they can be trusted to say what it is. Try this link: http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org.uk/newcomer/What.shtml "While there is no formal "A.A. definition" of alcoholism, most of us agree that, for most of us, it could be described as a physical compulsion, coupled with a mental obsession. We mean that we had a distinct physical desire to consume alcohol beyond our capacity to control it, and in defiance of all rules of common sense. We not only had an abnormal craving for alcohol but we frequently yielded to it at the worst possible times. We did not know when (or how) to stop drinking. Often we did not seem to have sense enough to know when not to begin." | |||
"And just because George Best's sister says differently does that mean we all should follow like sheep and agree? ..and the General Medical Council, and all the doctors, nurses and surgeons that treated him, the support network that exists for alcoholics. They have the qualifications and extensive experience so I think they can be trusted to say what it is. Try this link: http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org.uk/newcomer/What.shtml "While there is no formal "A.A. definition" of alcoholism, most of us agree that, for most of us, it could be described as a physical compulsion, coupled with a mental obsession. We mean that we had a distinct physical desire to consume alcohol beyond our capacity to control it, and in defiance of all rules of common sense. We not only had an abnormal craving for alcohol but we frequently yielded to it at the worst possible times. We did not know when (or how) to stop drinking. Often we did not seem to have sense enough to know when not to begin."" Physical compulsion and mental obsession? Sounds like an addiction to me. | |||
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"and to me an addiction is a form of illness...........but its an illness that can be "cured" by lots of will power and a good support network. There are many triggers for someone who has an addiction/dependency and some are deep rooted from their childhood. Lots of work required to sustain any change in behaviour in the short term never mind longer. Its more than just some daft fucker who cant be arsed stopping "i agree with the above statement,,as i buried my father 3 months ago,,dew to this dreadful curse,,but hay life goes on you can help those who want help,, | |||
"I believe it is an addiction worsened by a lack of willpower. I have a similar addiction as I am a smoker who cannot give up through lack of will power." Fully agree,it's an addiction compounded by lack of willpower and an inability to admit your harming yourself. All in all though,the chief difference between becoming an addict or not has to be down to willpower. XXXX | |||
"I believe it is an addiction worsened by a lack of willpower. I have a similar addiction as I am a smoker who cannot give up through lack of will power. Fully agree,it's an addiction compounded by lack of willpower and an inability to admit your harming yourself. All in all though,the chief difference between becoming an addict or not has to be down to willpower. XXXX " there is help for smoking believe me i was a smoker and now I'm free ,,go to your doc,, | |||
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"whats the point on seeing which group of ppl are better than some other group of ppl. We all have an affliction of some sort i like sex Somebody like drink Somebody else likes drugs We are all equal in a way but unequal in the flawed way humans measure other humans. "Well that's spot on there with that. We all are different and have different vices. | |||
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"i really beleive its a genuine illness albeit an addiction too ..my brother in law died in the gutter age 42 he was a successfull surveyor but he just couldnt stop drinking but his mother was an alcholic and so is his son who is dying from liver failure age 36...meaybe heredity is involved too something in the genes ??? it learned behaviour, certainly not in your genes, obviously only my opinion, maybe he drank because he grew up watching his mother drinking and so on for his son, its just a knock on effect, nobody else in my family has a drink problem, infact of anything because of my childhood id say its made me more likely not to end up dependent on alcohol, i suppose like most things it can turn you one way or the other depending on how strong minded you are" I agree. They say the most influential teachers in your life are your parents. | |||
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"i know its so fucking selfish, theres is absolutely no excuse whatsoever." its that straightforward is it ... ALL alcoholics are fucking selfish????? | |||
"The problem with alcohol and class A's like - is that they are actually quite a buzz and nice (in moderation) However.... this is a false dawn and the downsides far outway the good they do (a sex buzz is really at the top of the pyramid of feelings).. I for one have been there, done it and got the cub scout badge... and for me.. it's an addiction that needs serous will power to say no.... Have you ever met a nice alcoholic or class A user.. or do you think - "what a twat"? " We spend most of our weekends with recovering addicts, and ex addacits (both alcahol and drugs). And are available to them all the time should they need us. They are some of the nicest, kindest people we have ever known. Each has a story, some very sad. We are in no way making excuses for them. Some of them we look at and think if they hadn't been an addict they could have made so much of their life, some are still very clever despite their addiction. All are now working very hard, some on apprentice-ships, and some even going back to uni to finish their degree. Each and everyone is a human being, not the nicest when addicted. But still a human. Before we started helping 4 years ago we thought not very highly of them and were quick to judge. But now we see things differently, they made the wrong choice at the wrong time when they were very low and vunerable. The stories they tell you, helps you understand how things have been for them and helps deter others from following the same path. | |||
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"A person chooses to drink take drugs above there families but they dont choose to get cancer. " Not all can choose to stop stop though...isn't that the point?. | |||
"A person chooses to drink take drugs above there families but they dont choose to get cancer. " The odd drink can lead to becoming an alcoholic. The odd cig can lead to cancer! Not everything is clear cut! | |||
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"I think it's a bit simplistic to suggest alcohlics just need a bit of will power...it's clearly more complicated than that.I'm sure nobody would suggest a manic depressive "cheer up"." | |||
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"We all know the risks I did drugs when I was younger Im far from perfect but I controlled the drug the drug did not control me mind over matter if you feel yourself loosing control or waking up thinking i need a drink then its time to stop or get help before it goes too far." It sounds like you don't really understand how addictions work. If you are correct there would be no addicts in the world. Sadly your not. | |||
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"Lifes not always black and white." but surely you are suggesting it is if you think its as simple as just choosing not too drink again when alcoholism has a hold of you ....?? | |||
"whats the point on seeing which group of ppl are better than some other group of ppl. We all have an affliction of some sort i like sex Somebody like drink Somebody else likes drugs We are all equal in a way but unequal in the flawed way humans measure other humans. "There's a difference between use and abuse though and abuse usually leads to addiction.  R | |||
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" Would you say lung cancer is a genuine disease, or one brought about by smoking?" you can get lung cancer without smoking tho | |||
"If you wish to really learn about alcoholism I suggest you read 'Our George' by his sister, Barbera Best. If you think you know what this disease is - and yes, it is a disease, then you may be surprised to discover that you may not know as much as you think. George Best's mother never touched alcohol until she was 42 and up until that point she was a model mother & wife. She died of acloholism just 7 years later, and we all know what happened to George. It isn't a disease like cancer, or alzheimers, and it does require a trigger, a hook if you like, and people who succumb to it have a natural intolerance to alcohol and an inability to leave it alone, and that's what leads to alcoholism. Some of the views I've read on here about it show a complete ignorance to what it is and how deep rooted it can go. But don't take my word for it, read the book I mentioned. It changed my views on alcoholism as previously I thought they just a bunch of weak-willed tossers, whereas now I know that some people should never touch alcohol, never even be allowed in the same room as booze." That book is just the views and opinion of one person who was bought up and lived with alcholics, my dad was a alcholic, it killed him in the end, i could write a book about my life with a alcholic, do you think it would be the same as her's? of course it wouldnt, thats just the side of one persons experiences | |||
"Thanks for your reply,have a think on this,why can new borns be delivered dependant on alcohol, and other mind altering substances? Because their mother either drank heavily or took drugs during pregnancy which passes straight through the placenta into the foetus blood system,hence them being born addicted.I believe a baby born addicted to alcohol can sometimes be diagnosed as having 'foetal alcohol syndrome' which is a medical condition as it causes long lasting problems with development etc." Not sure i believe that wholly as my kids dad was and is an alcoholic, i rarely drank as neither of us worked, i preferred to feed my kids, he preferred to drink and think he was the life and soul of the party. Both my kids are social drinkers though i think my son possibly drinks more than daughter but it was peer pressure not passed through to them from me. Drug addiction i believe is a different story | |||
"I think it's a bit simplistic to suggest alcohlics just need a bit of will power...it's clearly more complicated than that.I'm sure nobody would suggest a manic depressive "cheer up"." Absolutely agree with that, my kids dad has tried but prefers to drink. One of my sons friends was told if he didnt give up drinking, he would be dead within a year, sadly after a heavy night to celebrate his 21st birthday, he was found dead from hypothermia as he decided to lie down behind the local shops. My brothers best friend died at 25 alone in his bedsit. | |||
"Just a thought we all know about drugs and alcohol and yes we choose to take them at the end of the day its mind over matter yes I have tried most drugs , speed and in my youth but never got addicted. And the day I found out I was pregnant with my eldest it all stopped. I enjoy a ciggy but never wake up craving one first ciggy is bout lunch time and as for alcohol can take it or leave it.And if some one has an addictive personality they should know not to touch the stuff." Perhaps they dont see that they have an addictive personality? and then they would have to have the strength not to touch alcohol ever and thats hard work | |||
"If you wish to really learn about alcoholism I suggest you read 'Our George' by his sister, Barbera Best. If you think you know what this disease is - and yes, it is a disease, then you may be surprised to discover that you may not know as much as you think. George Best's mother never touched alcohol until she was 42 and up until that point she was a model mother & wife. She died of acloholism just 7 years later, and we all know what happened to George. It isn't a disease like cancer, or alzheimers, and it does require a trigger, a hook if you like, and people who succumb to it have a natural intolerance to alcohol and an inability to leave it alone, and that's what leads to alcoholism. Some of the views I've read on here about it show a complete ignorance to what it is and how deep rooted it can go. But don't take my word for it, read the book I mentioned. It changed my views on alcoholism as previously I thought they just a bunch of weak-willed tossers, whereas now I know that some people should never touch alcohol, never even be allowed in the same room as booze. That book is just the views and opinion of one person who was bought up and lived with alcholics, my dad was a alcholic, it killed him in the end, i could write a book about my life with a alcholic, do you think it would be the same as her's? of course it wouldnt, thats just the side of one persons experiences " Sometimes people become 'experts' due to the experiences they endure and not because of their academical achievements. Take Sarah Payne's mother, do you think she would have chosen a career as a child protection campaigner if her own daughter hadn't been murdered? Yet, there she is, a Dame now I believe, and considered an expert in child protection. Just because someone doesn't have letters after their name is doesn't make them any less of a valid voice as their experiences are direct and first hand. | |||
"i know its so fucking selfish, theres is absolutely no excuse whatsoever. its that straightforward is it ... ALL alcoholics are fucking selfish????? "That was in response to a lady's post about foetal alcohol syndrome in children, in reference to the mother but as it happens then yes, alcoholics are selfish because they put their need for drink before most other things in their lives. | |||
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"Lifes not always black and white. but surely you are suggesting it is if you think its as simple as just choosing not too drink again when alcoholism has a hold of you ....??" Whats more important booze or your kids no competition wuld you want your kids to suffer. | |||
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"as a recovering alcoholic of 9 years and yes we run a pub lol it is more than just an addiction most alcoholics have a adictive personality my ex always said to me if i had a piano i would have to have it tuned perfectly even tho i cant play a note lol it is far from just lack of willpower it like most drugs it consumes you its all you want it takes priority over everything family friends work everything and in most cases you have to be godam close to rock bottom before you find the light at the end of the tunnel but it is there for all who want to see it " so you know its kev not kat lol she still a part time pisshead lol | |||
"as a recovering alcoholic of 9 years and yes we run a pub lol it is more than just an addiction most alcoholics have a adictive personality my ex always said to me if i had a piano i would have to have it tuned perfectly even tho i cant play a note lol it is far from just lack of willpower it like most drugs it consumes you its all you want it takes priority over everything family friends work everything and in most cases you have to be godam close to rock bottom before you find the light at the end of the tunnel but it is there for all who want to see it " There is a lot of sense in what you have said there. Its not obvious to many they are becoming dependent till its too late. Some never recover and others well they like your self manage with hard work and help to climb out of a downward spiral. It worries me at times that people are not more understanding of others problems. They don't need a kick they need guidance. And to Kev i admire your honesty on a public forum its refreshing. | |||
"as a recovering alcoholic of 9 years and yes we run a pub lol it is more than just an addiction most alcoholics have a adictive personality my ex always said to me if i had a piano i would have to have it tuned perfectly even tho i cant play a note lol it is far from just lack of willpower it like most drugs it consumes you its all you want it takes priority over everything family friends work everything and in most cases you have to be godam close to rock bottom before you find the light at the end of the tunnel but it is there for all who want to see it There is a lot of sense in what you have said there. Its not obvious to many they are becoming dependent till its too late. Some never recover and others well they like your self manage with hard work and help to climb out of a downward spiral. It worries me at times that people are not more understanding of others problems. They don't need a kick they need guidance. And to Kev i admire your honesty on a public forum its refreshing." thank you hun tbh it was part of my recovery when i first stopped i told every bugger lol i drink tea now like its going out of fashion lol the occasional shandy but if i have a cpl i go red like a swanvesta match lol kat sez im mad enuf sober lol dont know what she means lol xxxx | |||
"as a recovering alcoholic of 9 years and yes we run a pub lol it is more than just an addiction most alcoholics have a adictive personality my ex always said to me if i had a piano i would have to have it tuned perfectly even tho i cant play a note lol it is far from just lack of willpower it like most drugs it consumes you its all you want it takes priority over everything family friends work everything and in most cases you have to be godam close to rock bottom before you find the light at the end of the tunnel but it is there for all who want to see it There is a lot of sense in what you have said there. Its not obvious to many they are becoming dependent till its too late. Some never recover and others well they like your self manage with hard work and help to climb out of a downward spiral. It worries me at times that people are not more understanding of others problems. They don't need a kick they need guidance. And to Kev i admire your honesty on a public forum its refreshing. thank you hun tbh it was part of my recovery when i first stopped i told every bugger lol i drink tea now like its going out of fashion lol the occasional shandy but if i have a cpl i go red like a swanvesta match lol kat sez im mad enuf sober lol dont know what she means lol xxxx "i can second that....never known quite a sober nut as you before hun xxx. well done kisses | |||
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"i would call it a problem not a illness, as i will now admit i have a drinking problem have done for about 7 months now i have never been a big drinker before and it took just one thing (quite a big thing) to turn me to drink, i have no one to blame but myself but its not a illness i choose to drink and until i choose to stop drinking i will be a dick lol" You know where i am babes.....if ya want a bevvey  xxx mwah xxx | |||
"i would call it a problem not a illness, as i will now admit i have a drinking problem have done for about 7 months now i have never been a big drinker before and it took just one thing (quite a big thing) to turn me to drink, i have no one to blame but myself but its not a illness i choose to drink and until i choose to stop drinking i will be a dick lol You know where i am babes.....if ya want a bevvey xxx mwah xxx"make mine a double lol xxx | |||
"as a recovering alcoholic of 9 years and yes we run a pub lol it is more than just an addiction most alcoholics have a adictive personality my ex always said to me if i had a piano i would have to have it tuned perfectly even tho i cant play a note lol it is far from just lack of willpower it like most drugs it consumes you its all you want it takes priority over everything family friends work everything and in most cases you have to be godam close to rock bottom before you find the light at the end of the tunnel but it is there for all who want to see it There is a lot of sense in what you have said there. Its not obvious to many they are becoming dependent till its too late. Some never recover and others well they like your self manage with hard work and help to climb out of a downward spiral. It worries me at times that people are not more understanding of others problems. They don't need a kick they need guidance. And to Kev i admire your honesty on a public forum its refreshing. thank you hun tbh it was part of my recovery when i first stopped i told every bugger lol i drink tea now like its going out of fashion lol the occasional shandy but if i have a cpl i go red like a swanvesta match lol kat sez im mad enuf sober lol dont know what she means lol xxxx
i can second that....never known quite a sober nut as you before hun xxx. well done kisses"i think that was compliment lolmight even give ya your knickers back xxx | |||
"i would call it a problem not a illness, as i will now admit i have a drinking problem have done for about 7 months now i have never been a big drinker before and it took just one thing (quite a big thing) to turn me to drink, i have no one to blame but myself but its not a illness i choose to drink and until i choose to stop drinking i will be a dick lol" its usually a big thing that makes the bottle so atractive but alcohol is a depressant and takes hold very quickly when we are down and depressed and in these curcumstances i wish i had a quid for every time i heard i can choose to stop sorry if it sounds like preaching take care hunni xx | |||
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"If alcoholism was just a 'problem' we wouldn't have so many people die form it. Alcoholics need treatment so that makes it an illness...and it's an incurable illness, as every alcoholic knows full well that they are never really cured of it - they know one drink could set them back on the road to oblivion and the 'cure' is to learn how to resist the lure of booze. That sure sounds like it's a lot more than just a 'problem'." I personally dont agree its needs treatment, i think you make your bed you lay in it, theres thousnads of people every year that have to wait for treatment for ilnesses that arnt self inflicted why should people who choose to drink themkselves to death take up tax payers money What treatment can you give them anyway, a new liver, oh yeah we did that to George Best and look what he did, d*unk that one to death too, nice way of saying thank you to the people who gave up their loved ones organ to save someone else!! You choose to drink, you can choose to stop, noone makes you an alcholic except youtself Im sorry if my views offend but as someone who grew up being battered and beaten buy a violent d*unk and spending my childhood being shipped around care homes and verious family members who would have us that week because drink was more important i have no pitty for them at all | |||
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" That sure sounds like it's a lot more than just a 'problem'. I personally dont agree its needs treatment, i think you make your bed you lay in it, theres thousnads of people every year that have to wait for treatment for ilnesses that arnt self inflicted why should people who choose to drink themkselves to death take up tax payers money " But where do you draw the line...no treatment for smokers who get lung cancer.....no treatment for people who are injured doing dangerous sport...no treatment for the idiot social drinkers who swig too much voddie at a party and fall down stairs (luckily I bounced and just got a few bruises). I do feel for the family and friends of alcoholics......and the anger you feel by your own situation....but not all alcoholics are abusive. | |||
"i would call it a problem not a illness, as i will now admit i have a drinking problem have done for about 7 months now i have never been a big drinker before and it took just one thing (quite a big thing) to turn me to drink, i have no one to blame but myself but its not a illness i choose to drink and until i choose to stop drinking i will be a dick lol its usually a big thing that makes the bottle so atractive but alcohol is a depressant and takes hold very quickly when we are down and depressed and in these curcumstances i wish i had a quid for every time i heard i can choose to stop sorry if it sounds like preaching take care hunni xx" na i know what ur saying 100% i cant stop drinking at the moment cos my mind is in the frame of needing drink i need to get out of that mind frame before i stop i know that... i wish i did not drink as much as i do now, but hey ho in time it will come together xx | |||
"If alcoholism was just a 'problem' we wouldn't have so many people die form it. Alcoholics need treatment so that makes it an illness...and it's an incurable illness, as every alcoholic knows full well that they are never really cured of it - they know one drink could set them back on the road to oblivion and the 'cure' is to learn how to resist the lure of booze. That sure sounds like it's a lot more than just a 'problem'." i somehow thought of u having a much hairier chest then the one i can see wishy.. i have never met someone who is such an expert in every topic posted lol and u spend so much time on here? u should b prime minster LOL | |||
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"If alcoholism was just a 'problem' we wouldn't have so many people die form it. Alcoholics need treatment so that makes it an illness...and it's an incurable illness, as every alcoholic knows full well that they are never really cured of it - they know one drink could set them back on the road to oblivion and the 'cure' is to learn how to resist the lure of booze. That sure sounds like it's a lot more than just a 'problem'. i somehow thought of u having a much hairier chest then the one i can see wishy.. i have never met someone who is such an expert in every topic posted lol and u spend so much time on here? u should b prime minster LOL" What's a hairy chest got to do with anything?? Although I will concede that mine isn't as hairy as yours. I bet your voice is deeper too. | |||
"If alcoholism was just a 'problem' we wouldn't have so many people die form it. Alcoholics need treatment so that makes it an illness...and it's an incurable illness, as every alcoholic knows full well that they are never really cured of it - they know one drink could set them back on the road to oblivion and the 'cure' is to learn how to resist the lure of booze. That sure sounds like it's a lot more than just a 'problem'. i somehow thought of u having a much hairier chest then the one i can see wishy.. i have never met someone who is such an expert in every topic posted lol and u spend so much time on here? u should b prime minster LOL What's a hairy chest got to do with anything?? Although I will concede that mine isn't as hairy as yours. I bet your voice is deeper too. " i dont know i just noticed it and saw how hairless it was sorry for going off topic!!!! my cock is bigger too | |||
"i somehow thought of u having a much hairier chest then the one i can see wishy.. i have never met someone who is such an expert in every topic posted lol and u spend so much time on here? u should b prime minster LOL What's a hairy chest got to do with anything?? Although I will concede that mine isn't as hairy as yours. I bet your voice is deeper too. i dont know i just noticed it and saw how hairless it was sorry for going off topic!!!! my cock is bigger too "Probably, but they're all pretty big down at the zoo. | |||
"i somehow thought of u having a much hairier chest then the one i can see wishy.. i have never met someone who is such an expert in every topic posted lol and u spend so much time on here? u should b prime minster LOL What's a hairy chest got to do with anything?? Although I will concede that mine isn't as hairy as yours. I bet your voice is deeper too. i dont know i just noticed it and saw how hairless it was sorry for going off topic!!!! my cock is bigger too
Probably, but they're all pretty big down at the zoo."oh yes we all are smooth chest... | |||
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"i would call it a problem not a illness, as i will now admit i have a drinking problem have done for about 7 months now i have never been a big drinker before and it took just one thing (quite a big thing) to turn me to drink, i have no one to blame but myself but its not a illness i choose to drink and until i choose to stop drinking i will be a dick lol its usually a big thing that makes the bottle so atractive but alcohol is a depressant and takes hold very quickly when we are down and depressed and in these curcumstances i wish i had a quid for every time i heard i can choose to stop sorry if it sounds like preaching take care hunni xx na i know what ur saying 100% i cant stop drinking at the moment cos my mind is in the frame of needing drink i need to get out of that mind frame before i stop i know that... i wish i did not drink as much as i do now, but hey ho in time it will come together xx" please dont take this the wrong way but hay ho in time it will come together dont bank on it hunny i thought that when my wife was riddled with cancer and again when in her infinate wisdom she decided she wanted to leave and take kids and again when she persuaded them it would be better to live with my stepdaughter i was convinced the bottle helped and truely believed i could stop when in truth i was an alcoholic from the moment i needed a drink not just wanted one but had to wait till i lost everything and it was all i had to do something about it | |||
"If alcoholism was just a 'problem' we wouldn't have so many people die form it. Alcoholics need treatment so that makes it an illness...and it's an incurable illness, as every alcoholic knows full well that they are never really cured of it - they know one drink could set them back on the road to oblivion and the 'cure' is to learn how to resist the lure of booze. That sure sounds like it's a lot more than just a 'problem'. I personally dont agree its needs treatment, i think you make your bed you lay in it, theres thousnads of people every year that have to wait for treatment for ilnesses that arnt self inflicted why should people who choose to drink themkselves to death take up tax payers money What treatment can you give them anyway, a new liver, oh yeah we did that to George Best and look what he did, d*unk that one to death too, nice way of saying thank you to the people who gave up their loved ones organ to save someone else!! You choose to drink, you can choose to stop, noone makes you an alcholic except youtself Im sorry if my views offend but as someone who grew up being battered and beaten buy a violent d*unk and spending my childhood being shipped around care homes and verious family members who would have us that week because drink was more important i have no pitty for them at all" i apreciate you have issues but tbh your talkin bollocks the problem is no matter what the treatment is its usless untill the alcoholic wants to be treated george best never realy wanted to stop | |||
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"If alcoholism was just a 'problem' we wouldn't have so many people die form it. Alcoholics need treatment so that makes it an illness...and it's an incurable illness, as every alcoholic knows full well that they are never really cured of it - they know one drink could set them back on the road to oblivion and the 'cure' is to learn how to resist the lure of booze. That sure sounds like it's a lot more than just a 'problem'. I personally dont agree its needs treatment, i think you make your bed you lay in it, theres thousnads of people every year that have to wait for treatment for ilnesses that arnt self inflicted why should people who choose to drink themkselves to death take up tax payers money What treatment can you give them anyway, a new liver, oh yeah we did that to George Best and look what he did, d*unk that one to death too, nice way of saying thank you to the people who gave up their loved ones organ to save someone else!! You choose to drink, you can choose to stop, noone makes you an alcholic except youtself Im sorry if my views offend but as someone who grew up being battered and beaten buy a violent d*unk and spending my childhood being shipped around care homes and verious family members who would have us that week because drink was more important i have no pitty for them at all i apreciate you have issues but tbh your talkin bollocks the problem is no matter what the treatment is its usless untill the alcoholic wants to be treated george best never realy wanted to stop " i have to agree with you there, i have been watching this thread with interest.......interesting | |||
"i would call it a problem not a illness, as i will now admit i have a drinking problem have done for about 7 months now i have never been a big drinker before and it took just one thing (quite a big thing) to turn me to drink, i have no one to blame but myself but its not a illness i choose to drink and until i choose to stop drinking i will be a dick lol its usually a big thing that makes the bottle so atractive but alcohol is a depressant and takes hold very quickly when we are down and depressed and in these curcumstances i wish i had a quid for every time i heard i can choose to stop sorry if it sounds like preaching take care hunni xx na i know what ur saying 100% i cant stop drinking at the moment cos my mind is in the frame of needing drink i need to get out of that mind frame before i stop i know that... i wish i did not drink as much as i do now, but hey ho in time it will come together xx please dont take this the wrong way but hay ho in time it will come together dont bank on it hunny i thought that when my wife was riddled with cancer and again when in her infinate wisdom she decided she wanted to leave and take kids and again when she persuaded them it would be better to live with my stepdaughter i was convinced the bottle helped and truely believed i could stop when in truth i was an alcoholic from the moment i needed a drink not just wanted one but had to wait till i lost everything and it was all i had to do something about it "love you hunny kat x x x | |||
"We all know the risks I did drugs when I was younger Im far from perfect but I controlled the drug the drug did not control me mind over matter if you feel yourself loosing control or waking up thinking i need a drink then its time to stop or get help before it goes too far." for some when they get to the latter stage it is too late. a friend of mine was recently on jeremy kyle to get her ex to realise how serious it really was . he has sclerosis of the liver and is trying to dry out with medical help for the sake of his young daughters but still thought he was in control and stop tomorrow . its going to be a slow process for him but hopefully he will recover enough to see his kids grow up. so yes it is an addiction but one which has a clearly set out disease process so therefore should be classed as one | |||
"i would call it a problem not a illness, as i will now admit i have a drinking problem have done for about 7 months now i have never been a big drinker before and it took just one thing (quite a big thing) to turn me to drink, i have no one to blame but myself but its not a illness i choose to drink and until i choose to stop drinking i will be a dick lol its usually a big thing that makes the bottle so atractive but alcohol is a depressant and takes hold very quickly when we are down and depressed and in these curcumstances i wish i had a quid for every time i heard i can choose to stop sorry if it sounds like preaching take care hunni xx na i know what ur saying 100% i cant stop drinking at the moment cos my mind is in the frame of needing drink i need to get out of that mind frame before i stop i know that... i wish i did not drink as much as i do now, but hey ho in time it will come together xx please dont take this the wrong way but hay ho in time it will come together dont bank on it hunny i thought that when my wife was riddled with cancer and again when in her infinate wisdom she decided she wanted to leave and take kids and again when she persuaded them it would be better to live with my stepdaughter i was convinced the bottle helped and truely believed i could stop when in truth i was an alcoholic from the moment i needed a drink not just wanted one but had to wait till i lost everything and it was all i had to do something about it "well i lost all i wanted so i dont see much hope now haha but i know what ur saying tho and i am glad u sorted things out | |||
"as a recovering alcoholic of 9 years and yes we run a pub lol it is more than just an addiction most alcoholics have a adictive personality my ex always said to me if i had a piano i would have to have it tuned perfectly even tho i cant play a note lol it is far from just lack of willpower it like most drugs it consumes you its all you want it takes priority over everything family friends work everything and in most cases you have to be godam close to rock bottom before you find the light at the end of the tunnel but it is there for all who want to see it " iv heard that so many times from people,and never a truer word,,, and well done on running a pub,but if you were in ireland,,well youd just be another landlord,most of them are recovering as they say | |||
"If alcoholism was just a 'problem' we wouldn't have so many people die form it. Alcoholics need treatment so that makes it an illness...and it's an incurable illness, as every alcoholic knows full well that they are never really cured of it - they know one drink could set them back on the road to oblivion and the 'cure' is to learn how to resist the lure of booze. That sure sounds like it's a lot more than just a 'problem'. I personally dont agree its needs treatment, i think you make your bed you lay in it, theres thousnads of people every year that have to wait for treatment for ilnesses that arnt self inflicted why should people who choose to drink themkselves to death take up tax payers money What treatment can you give them anyway, a new liver, oh yeah we did that to George Best and look what he did, d*unk that one to death too, nice way of saying thank you to the people who gave up their loved ones organ to save someone else!! You choose to drink, you can choose to stop, noone makes you an alcholic except youtself Im sorry if my views offend but as someone who grew up being battered and beaten buy a violent d*unk and spending my childhood being shipped around care homes and verious family members who would have us that week because drink was more important i have no pitty for them at all i apreciate you have issues but tbh your talkin bollocks the problem is no matter what the treatment is its usless untill the alcoholic wants to be treated george best never realy wanted to stop " everyone has their own opinion all because mind are different to your does not mean im talking bollocks, your opinion are different to mind so by your example does that mean your talking bollcoks too? | |||
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"hi all Alcoholism as an illness i had a problem i have not had a drink for 7 years now and live is so good" Way to go mate...really pleased you managed to turn your life around xxx | |||
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"hi all Alcoholism as an illness i had a problem i have not had a drink for 7 years now and live is so good" Before i go any further can i just say im not picking fault with you personally im honestly trying to understand other peoples views But no matter how much i try i simply cannot see alcoholism as an illness, its a problem yes, and a problem that needs sorting, but its a self inflicted habbit that you become addicted too, to me its no different to smoking, would anyone on here say a smoker is ill? i wouldnt say your ill just because your addicted to fags so why are you ill because your addicted to booze? Like i said im honestly not picking fault here, we all have our own views and opinions im just trying to understand the other side of the coin to mine | |||
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"hi all Alcoholism as an illness i had a problem i have not had a drink for 7 years now and live is so good Before i go any further can i just say im not picking fault with you personally im honestly trying to understand other peoples views But no matter how much i try i simply cannot see alcoholism as an illness, its a problem yes, and a problem that needs sorting, but its a self inflicted habbit that you become addicted too, to me its no different to smoking, would anyone on here say a smoker is ill? i wouldnt say your ill just because your addicted to fags so why are you ill because your addicted to booze? Like i said im honestly not picking fault here, we all have our own views and opinions im just trying to understand the other side of the coin to mine "i think its safe to say that some see addiction as an illness and some dont.....we all see things differently. Perhaps the way to be cured of an addiction (oops that makes me sound like im saying its an illness...lol) is how you perceive yourself. Some groups think its biological, some an illness etc etc, at the end of the day an addiction is not good and it certainly takes more than just will power alone to stop! people remove their addiction to cigs for perhaps health reasons, financial, family......i have always found that you have a better chance of success with a sense of purpose behind your reasoning for WANTING to change a particular behaviour for anyone out there suffering from any form of addiction then i wish you luck | |||
"Why do these contentious subjects always come down to who's talking the best bollocks? ." That plus another one is views are ignorant if they are not the same as yours. I saw the programme on Bests mother but have not read the sisters book, but I won't say what was on the programme was gospel as I have nothing to compare it with. My Ex FIL was an alchoholic and it was a nightmare to live with him and be in his company. It put me off drinking, plus it put my then husband off drinking anything apart from an odd pint. Wether you could call it is an illness or not I don't know, but addicts can normally give up an addiction, even if it is a hard thing to do......a serious illness isn't quite so easy to shake off. | |||
"Before i go any further can i just say im not picking fault with you personally im honestly trying to understand other peoples views But no matter how much i try i simply cannot see alcoholism as an illness, its a problem yes, and a problem that needs sorting, but its a self inflicted habbit that you become addicted too, to me its no different to smoking, would anyone on here say a smoker is ill? i wouldnt say your ill just because your addicted to fags so why are you ill because your addicted to booze? Like i said im honestly not picking fault here, we all have our own views and opinions im just trying to understand the other side of the coin to mine "I think when someone has suffered so much for so long, and particularly during their formative years, it is very difficult to set that aside and even try to understand other people's point's of view....particulaly when it appears that they have no personal experience of the issue.....so all credit to you NN for trying xxx | |||
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"Why do these contentious subjects always come down to who's talking the best bollocks? . That plus another one is views are ignorant if they are not the same as yours. I saw the programme on Bests mother but have not read the sisters book, but I won't say what was on the programme was gospel as I have nothing to compare it with. My Ex FIL was an alchoholic and it was a nightmare to live with him and be in his company. It put me off drinking, plus it put my then husband off drinking anything apart from an odd pint. Wether you could call it is an illness or not I don't know, but addicts can normally give up an addiction, even if it is a hard thing to do......a serious illness isn't quite so easy to shake off." PS I should have wrote disease instead of illness. | |||
" My Ex FIL was an alchoholic and it was a nightmare to live with him and be in his company. It put me off drinking, plus it put my then husband off drinking anything apart from an odd pint. " i know where your coming from 100%, i would never be a d*unk because i love my kids to much to put them thro what i went tho, i know some people think your being dramatic but untill you have lived with someone who is a true alcholic you have no idea what its like, always being bullied at school cause you was dirty and scruffy cause noone at home cared about you, home life was no better, just abuse after abuse, having nothing of your own, everything worth selling in our house was sold, and that wasnt down to anyones illness that was down to someone choosing drink over you, i dont believe its an ilness, people can over some being an alcholic, people have posted on this thread saying they have beat the booze, so it just goes to show it can be done, some people just choose not to, so being a alcholic comes down to a personal choice, i would chew my arms off for my kids, any addiction can be beat if you really wnat to beat it, im not stupid enough to think its easy, its not but if its something you really want it can be done, its just a matter of whats more important in your life | |||
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" My Ex FIL was an alchoholic and it was a nightmare to live with him and be in his company. It put me off drinking, plus it put my then husband off drinking anything apart from an odd pint. i know where your coming from 100%, i would never be a d*unk because i love my kids to much to put them thro what i went tho, i know some people think your being dramatic but untill you have lived with someone who is a true alcholic you have no idea what its like, always being bullied at school cause you was dirty and scruffy cause noone at home cared about you, home life was no better, just abuse after abuse, having nothing of your own, everything worth selling in our house was sold, and that wasnt down to anyones illness that was down to someone choosing drink over you, i dont believe its an ilness, people can over some being an alcholic, people have posted on this thread saying they have beat the booze, so it just goes to show it can be done, some people just choose not to, so being a alcholic comes down to a personal choice, i would chew my arms off for my kids, any addiction can be beat if you really wnat to beat it, im not stupid enough to think its easy, its not but if its something you really want it can be done, its just a matter of whats more important in your life" Must admit im glad i left my kids dad as life with him wasnt brilliant at all so i know where you are coming from. Life now is so much better, okay it took a while to get out of the debt he put us in but either way we were and are so much better off without him, and i dread to think what would have happened had we stayed with him, christ he almost got our daughter taken off him in London as he wasnt fit to have her in his care | |||
" My Ex FIL was an alchoholic and it was a nightmare to live with him and be in his company. It put me off drinking, plus it put my then husband off drinking anything apart from an odd pint. i know where your coming from 100%, i would never be a d*unk because i love my kids to much to put them thro what i went tho, i know some people think your being dramatic but untill you have lived with someone who is a true alcholic you have no idea what its like, always being bullied at school cause you was dirty and scruffy cause noone at home cared about you, home life was no better, just abuse after abuse, having nothing of your own, everything worth selling in our house was sold, and that wasnt down to anyones illness that was down to someone choosing drink over you, i dont believe its an ilness, people can over some being an alcholic, people have posted on this thread saying they have beat the booze, so it just goes to show it can be done, some people just choose not to, so being a alcholic comes down to a personal choice, i would chew my arms off for my kids, any addiction can be beat if you really wnat to beat it, im not stupid enough to think its easy, its not but if its something you really want it can be done, its just a matter of whats more important in your life" Obviously he didn't bring me up, but when I met my Ex it was almost like none of the rest of the family thought anything of it anymore. They were so used to him being d*unk that if he was sober they looked at him weird. The worse thing about him was, you didn't know how he was going to react to the drink from what day to the next, he was a happy d*unk plus a nasty d*unk, so it was like living on a knife edge. If you said something one day he laughed at, the next day he would scream at you for being an idiot. Nightmare. He did uses to say that he didn't want to stop drinking, so he obviously didn't want to help himself.......but it can be done, as people have proved, but you have to want to stop. All addictions can be beaten. Happily my Ex didn't follow his footsteps as without going into it here, he didn't have the best of childhoods and he put it down to the drinking. | |||
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"I think it's important to first recognise the trigger for the person reaching for the bottle. A disease, by definition is anything that affects the body, or part of, be it in a physical or social manner. I wouldnt say that the alcohol itself is a disease, but i would suggest that there are certain chemical imbalances that occur that make make that person less tolerant towards and less capable of being without alcohol. However, I don't believe that this applies to all people, there are those that are alcoholics by choice; they could give up if they wanted, but they chose not to. i dont think it's nearly so cut and dry as saying yes it is and no it isnt...there is a grey area. the cause should be identified before the diagnosis" Thank you all. | |||
