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what is happening to some people in this country??
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Read yesterday that a facebook page has been dedicated to Moat (the latest crazed nutter with a gun)
Over 18000 people have left tributes to him
With some quotes such as "Troubled mind rest in peace"
Your girlfriend deserved it she should not have done that while you were in prison"
And one of the most sickening "pity the copper didn't die"
Personally feel that facebook should have the decency to remove this page
But what worries me is the mentality of people who glorify this sort of thing
We live in a very sick society people
But thankfully the good at the moment outweighs the bad xx |
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over a year ago
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99% of them must be wankers just like he was.
Fair enough he had family and friends who must have thought something of him, but for others to to say 'pity the copper didin't die' and suchlike just goes to show that these folks are the scum of the earth and probably no better than Moat
What people need to realise is, that at Moat's hands, a girl was critically injured, a man has lost his life and a police officer has been critically injured and has now been told that he's lost the sight in both eyes. The last thing that officer saw was Moat's shotgun pointing at him.
Moat is now where he deserves to be - dead, he's no hero, not in my book anyway |
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I read this too yesterday, but in 5 mins of boredom decided to have a look, on the page they are referring to, Raoul Moat is a Legend, yes they have lots of members but after reading it for a minute it soon becomes apparent most of them think he is a twat.
The Roaul Moat RIP site only has 90 members as of Monday afternoon.
So yes lots of people members but most have joined to take the piss. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I read this too yesterday, but in 5 mins of boredom decided to have a look, on the page they are referring to, Raoul Moat is a Legend, yes they have lots of members but after reading it for a minute it soon becomes apparent most of them think he is a twat.
The Roaul Moat RIP site only has 90 members as of Monday afternoon.
So yes lots of people members but most have joined to take the piss."
Thanks for that i only read what i read in the paper cause i didnt even want to look at the site
Still sick the very fact that there are pages referring to him thou
Its a crazy world when some glorify things like that in any way shape or form xx  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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What people need to realise is, that at Moat's hands, a girl was critically injured, a man has lost his life and a police officer has been critically injured and has now been told that he's lost the sight in both eyes. The last thing that officer saw was Moat's shotgun pointing at him.
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The thing that annoys me is the press can only legally say that he ALLEGEDLY shot people. Must be fear of being sued. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Read yesterday that a facebook page has been dedicated to Moat (the latest crazed nutter with a gun)
Over 18000 people have left tributes to him
With some quotes such as "Troubled mind rest in peace"
Your girlfriend deserved it she should not have done that while you were in prison"
And one of the most sickening "pity the copper didn't die"
Personally feel that facebook should have the decency to remove this page
But what worries me is the mentality of people who glorify this sort of thing
We live in a very sick society people
But thankfully the good at the moment outweighs the bad xx"
Soapy I'm surprised you're surprised!!
It's the same mentality of people who fly half way across the world to marry inmates on Death Row.
Sadly not all the mentally challenged and sick are under Care in the Community or behind bars! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Well sassy not surprised as much as annoyed at the media glorification or even mention of it
Im aware there are many nutters in a balanced society but sad to see them so publicly exposed xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I cant help thinking that with the proper care this would never have happened, he was known to be violent and the prison service warned that he shouldnt be released. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I cant help thinking that with the proper care this would never have happened, he was known to be violent and the prison service warned that he shouldnt be released."
it's been reported that he told a number of people, even prison staff, that he was going to "sort" his girlfriend and her new partner. They obviously didn't take him seriously, and this in turn could have been a factor in why he did what he did, because once a person of his mentality says they are going to do something, they have to see it through for fear of losing face in "their community"
As soon as he made those threats, he was a dead man walking |
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By (user no longer on site)
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What people need to realise is, that at Moat's hands, a girl was critically injured, a man has lost his life and a police officer has been critically injured and has now been told that he's lost the sight in both eyes. The last thing that officer saw was Moat's shotgun pointing at him.
The thing that annoys me is the press can only legally say that he ALLEGEDLY shot people. Must be fear of being sued. "
Sued? Who by? The guy is dead.
Having followed this case due to it's approximity to where we live, it is clear that Moat had led a troubled life, he was not inherently evil like some of these mass murderers, child killers, paedophiles etc, he wasn't of that ilk, just a troubled man who lost control. A good trial lawyer would have got him declared insane and sent to Broadmoor. Would he have been rehabilitated? We'll never know but what sickened me to the core was the press and how they flocked to Rothbury waiting for blood to flow like some sort of modern day Frankenstein -v- Pitchfork-toting-Villagers mob.
Ok, he killed a guy in pretty gruesome circumstances and cost another man his eyesight, I'm not condoning that, but it makes me feel a little queazy when you see mass hysteria cheering that a guy blew his own face off with a shotgun whilst being egged on by the media - not blatantly, oh no, they'd never do that, but some of those reporters that were hungrily trying to replay telephone messages live on air allegedly from Moat should hang their heads in shame.
He had three children. Who someday will discover how their father was hounded like a wild animal. He wasn't, he was mentally unstable - and that's treatable. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Read yesterday that a facebook page has been dedicated to Moat (the latest crazed nutter with a gun)
Over 18000 people have left tributes to him
With some quotes such as "Troubled mind rest in peace"
Your girlfriend deserved it she should not have done that while you were in prison"
And one of the most sickening "pity the copper didn't die"
Personally feel that facebook should have the decency to remove this page
But what worries me is the mentality of people who glorify this sort of thing
We live in a very sick society people
But thankfully the good at the moment outweighs the bad xx"
This made me fuckin sick to the core.
Anybody showing any remorse or sympathy toward this fucker needs shooting themselves.
I sometimes have troubles. do i get a gun out and start shooting people. DO I FUCK.
The do gooders of this world made this whole thing drag on more than it was needed.
The police should ogg all these ip adresses of those paying tribute to them and contact them all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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What people need to realise is, that at Moat's hands, a girl was critically injured, a man has lost his life and a police officer has been critically injured and has now been told that he's lost the sight in both eyes. The last thing that officer saw was Moat's shotgun pointing at him.
The thing that annoys me is the press can only legally say that he ALLEGEDLY shot people. Must be fear of being sued.
Sued? Who by? The guy is dead.
Having followed this case due to it's approximity to where we live, it is clear that Moat had led a troubled life, he was not inherently evil like some of these mass murderers, child killers, paedophiles etc, he wasn't of that ilk, just a troubled man who lost control. A good trial lawyer would have got him declared insane and sent to Broadmoor. Would he have been rehabilitated? We'll never know but what sickened me to the core was the press and how they flocked to Rothbury waiting for blood to flow like some sort of modern day Frankenstein -v- Pitchfork-toting-Villagers mob.
Ok, he killed a guy in pretty gruesome circumstances and cost another man his eyesight, I'm not condoning that, but it makes me feel a little queazy when you see mass hysteria cheering that a guy blew his own face off with a shotgun whilst being egged on by the media - not blatantly, oh no, they'd never do that, but some of those reporters that were hungrily trying to replay telephone messages live on air allegedly from Moat should hang their heads in shame.
He had three children. Who someday will discover how their father was hounded like a wild animal. He wasn't, he was mentally unstable - and that's treatable."
I think your whole outlook would change if it was a family member of yours he shot. |
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I think your whole outlook would change if it was a family member of yours he shot."
So by that reasoning one can deduce from your posts that he shot a member of YOUR family?
The Krays did far worse things during their time in London but are held up as some sort of glamourous gangsters. Nelson Mandela blew people up during his time and look how he is revered now.
All I'm saying is that Moat WASN'T evil, he was mentally ill, and in this country, he should have been able to get treatment but he chose to take a different way out. What sickened me was the bloodlust that followed him via the media. They must have been secretly praying that someone else was injured as it sells stories. Why the desperate scramble to be on the scene if all they were interested in was whether he'd been captured or not when a telephone call could have confirmed that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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What people need to realise is, that at Moat's hands, a girl was critically injured, a man has lost his life and a police officer has been critically injured and has now been told that he's lost the sight in both eyes. The last thing that officer saw was Moat's shotgun pointing at him.
The thing that annoys me is the press can only legally say that he ALLEGEDLY shot people. Must be fear of being sued.
Sued? Who by? The guy is dead.
Having followed this case due to it's approximity to where we live, it is clear that Moat had led a troubled life, he was not inherently evil like some of these mass murderers, child killers, paedophiles etc, he wasn't of that ilk, just a troubled man who lost control. A good trial lawyer would have got him declared insane and sent to Broadmoor. Would he have been rehabilitated? We'll never know but what sickened me to the core was the press and how they flocked to Rothbury waiting for blood to flow like some sort of modern day Frankenstein -v- Pitchfork-toting-Villagers mob.
Ok, he killed a guy in pretty gruesome circumstances and cost another man his eyesight, I'm not condoning that, but it makes me feel a little queazy when you see mass hysteria cheering that a guy blew his own face off with a shotgun whilst being egged on by the media - not blatantly, oh no, they'd never do that, but some of those reporters that were hungrily trying to replay telephone messages live on air allegedly from Moat should hang their heads in shame.
He had three children. Who someday will discover how their father was hounded like a wild animal. He wasn't, he was mentally unstable - and that's treatable.
I think your whole outlook would change if it was a family member of yours he shot."
By your vitriolic post, am I to assume it was a member of your family he shot then?!! |
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I think your whole outlook would change if it was a family member of yours he shot.
So by that reasoning one can deduce from your posts that he shot a member of YOUR family?
The Krays did far worse things during their time in London but are held up as some sort of glamourous gangsters. Nelson Mandela blew people up during his time and look how he is revered now.
All I'm saying is that Moat WASN'T evil, he was mentally ill, and in this country, he should have been able to get treatment but he chose to take a different way out. What sickened me was the bloodlust that followed him via the media. They must have been secretly praying that someone else was injured as it sells stories. Why the desperate scramble to be on the scene if all they were interested in was whether he'd been captured or not when a telephone call could have confirmed that."
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By *ugby 123Couple
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I think your whole outlook would change if it was a family member of yours he shot.
So by that reasoning one can deduce from your posts that he shot a member of YOUR family?
The Krays did far worse things during their time in London but are held up as some sort of glamourous gangsters. Nelson Mandela blew people up during his time and look how he is revered now.
All I'm saying is that Moat WASN'T evil, he was mentally ill, and in this country, he should have been able to get treatment but he chose to take a different way out. What sickened me was the bloodlust that followed him via the media. They must have been secretly praying that someone else was injured as it sells stories. Why the desperate scramble to be on the scene if all they were interested in was whether he'd been captured or not when a telephone call could have confirmed that."
Have they said he was mentally ill?
( sorry not up on the story)
I don't condone what he did or feel sorry for him, but I do agree with you Wishy, the video of him sat with a gun to his head live on telly is sick. What are we, ghouls?
I don't think it should have been allowed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think your whole outlook would change if it was a family member of yours he shot.
So by that reasoning one can deduce from your posts that he shot a member of YOUR family?
The Krays did far worse things during their time in London but are held up as some sort of glamourous gangsters. Nelson Mandela blew people up during his time and look how he is revered now.
All I'm saying is that Moat WASN'T evil, he was mentally ill, and in this country, he should have been able to get treatment but he chose to take a different way out. What sickened me was the bloodlust that followed him via the media. They must have been secretly praying that someone else was injured as it sells stories. Why the desperate scramble to be on the scene if all they were interested in was whether he'd been captured or not when a telephone call could have confirmed that.
Like minds!"
Yes, like minds lol ..
I hope its coming across that I'm not defending the guy, but reminding everyone that he was mentally ill, not evil. I just feel a little unclean for having watched those reporters on TV during the manhunt. |
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Have they said he was mentally ill?
( sorry not up on the story)
I don't condone what he did or feel sorry for him, but I do agree with you Wishy, the video of him sat with a gun to his head live on telly is sick. What are we, ghouls?
I don't think it should have been allowed."
I don't think a doctor etc has stated categorically that he was mentally ill but from what has been reported about his final conversations with the police negotiator about feeling unloved, unwanted, persecuted etc its not hard to determine that he must have been suffering from mental stress or mental illness, or even a total detachment from reality. But I'm no doctor either so I can't say for sure. He kept guns and he was interested in survival techniques and the SAS, and despised authority - in particular the Police - so its safe to deduce that he was of an aggressive nature, maybe his girlfriend should have borne that in mind when she told him her new fella was a policeman.
There is more than one person responsible for what has happened and the family of the guy who was murdered have stated that they have some serious questions to ask the girlfriend involved in the middle of all this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think your whole outlook would change if it was a family member of yours he shot.
So by that reasoning one can deduce from your posts that he shot a member of YOUR family?
The Krays did far worse things during their time in London but are held up as some sort of glamourous gangsters. Nelson Mandela blew people up during his time and look how he is revered now.
All I'm saying is that Moat WASN'T evil, he was mentally ill, and in this country, he should have been able to get treatment but he chose to take a different way out. What sickened me was the bloodlust that followed him via the media. They must have been secretly praying that someone else was injured as it sells stories. Why the desperate scramble to be on the scene if all they were interested in was whether he'd been captured or not when a telephone call could have confirmed that.
Have they said he was mentally ill?
( sorry not up on the story)
I don't condone what he did or feel sorry for him, but I do agree with you Wishy, the video of him sat with a gun to his head live on telly is sick. What are we, ghouls?
I don't think it should have been allowed."
Sort off.
I wouldn't go as far as saying it shouldn't be allowed at the end of the day it was quite an important news story.
People have a choice whether they watch it or not.
Most people have freeview if not sky so that gives people at least another 30 channels they could choose to watch.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Have they said he was mentally ill?
( sorry not up on the story)
I don't condone what he did or feel sorry for him, but I do agree with you Wishy, the video of him sat with a gun to his head live on telly is sick. What are we, ghouls?
I don't think it should have been allowed.
I don't think a doctor etc has stated categorically that he was mentally ill but from what has been reported about his final conversations with the police negotiator about feeling unloved, unwanted, persecuted etc its not hard to determine that he must have been suffering from mental stress or mental illness, or even a total detachment from reality. But I'm no doctor either so I can't say for sure. He kept guns and he was interested in survival techniques and the SAS, and despised authority - in particular the Police - so its safe to deduce that he was of an aggressive nature, maybe his girlfriend should have borne that in mind when she told him her new fella was a policeman.
There is more than one person responsible for what has happened and the family of the guy who was murdered have stated that they have some serious questions to ask the girlfriend involved in the middle of all this."
He despised the Police that much that he was an informer for them.
I suppose all the steroid abuse over the years is to blame too after all I am sure he was held down while they were forced into him. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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I think your whole outlook would change if it was a family member of yours he shot.
So by that reasoning one can deduce from your posts that he shot a member of YOUR family?
The Krays did far worse things during their time in London but are held up as some sort of glamourous gangsters. Nelson Mandela blew people up during his time and look how he is revered now.
All I'm saying is that Moat WASN'T evil, he was mentally ill, and in this country, he should have been able to get treatment but he chose to take a different way out. What sickened me was the bloodlust that followed him via the media. They must have been secretly praying that someone else was injured as it sells stories. Why the desperate scramble to be on the scene if all they were interested in was whether he'd been captured or not when a telephone call could have confirmed that.
Have they said he was mentally ill?
( sorry not up on the story)
I don't condone what he did or feel sorry for him, but I do agree with you Wishy, the video of him sat with a gun to his head live on telly is sick. What are we, ghouls?
I don't think it should have been allowed.
Sort off.
I wouldn't go as far as saying it shouldn't be allowed at the end of the day it was quite an important news story.
People have a choice whether they watch it or not.
Most people have freeview if not sky so that gives people at least another 30 channels they could choose to watch.
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The news story obviously being reported is different. I just think showing the video of it live as it where goulish.
If you were watching an incident happen in the street you would get the police moving you on, but here they were allowed to film it.
I know how many channels we can use, and the freedom of choice, and I chose not to watch it once I realised what they were reporting. |
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I think your whole outlook would change if it was a family member of yours he shot.
So by that reasoning one can deduce from your posts that he shot a member of YOUR family?
The Krays did far worse things during their time in London but are held up as some sort of glamourous gangsters. Nelson Mandela blew people up during his time and look how he is revered now.
All I'm saying is that Moat WASN'T evil, he was mentally ill, and in this country, he should have been able to get treatment but he chose to take a different way out. What sickened me was the bloodlust that followed him via the media. They must have been secretly praying that someone else was injured as it sells stories. Why the desperate scramble to be on the scene if all they were interested in was whether he'd been captured or not when a telephone call could have confirmed that.
Like minds!
Yes, like minds lol ..
I hope its coming across that I'm not defending the guy, but reminding everyone that he was mentally ill, not evil. I just feel a little unclean for having watched those reporters on TV during the manhunt."
It is to me Wishy, and likewise, I'm not defending him either, I just felt the way this sorry episode was played out for us all to gawp out could have been handled more sensitively. |
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what a bunch of pricks these people are,not even his children cried for him.he was a complete and utter nutter dressing in his missus clothes wearing her make-up just to taunt her.
he"s in the best place for him now! |
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