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Parliament approves air strikes against Isis
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Sorry but its only a matter of time, they will not be fighting a standing army, those type of wars are over. This is the start of something big and our so called leaders have no clue. God help us all |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If your village has been over run by isis or russia for that matter, do you still have to pay your mortgage, or council tax?"
No as you'll probably be dead. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Why not target the leaders ? Yes they will be replaced ! But for how long before they think bollocks it ain't worth it ?"
I would imagine that intelligence agencies will be looking to do just that |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hope they dont arm some other treacherous 4kers who end up turning on us again.
Yes, our troops do a great job, but our leaders are stupid. Still, good for arms sales, one of our growing manufacturing industries...
I worry about the crazy ISIS 4kers when they return and start causing trouble. 5th column paranoia, but watch them cry 'Human Rights'. We should find them and kick their doors in at 4 in the morning, interrogate them, send them on a plane, maybe get the Saudis to do more of the fighting... |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Why not just send in the sas ? Job done  "
The idea is to succeed without any UK casualties. Troops, however, skilful are more at risk than fighter pilots. Of course, the safest place is in a submarine  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Sorry but its only a matter of time, they will not be fighting a standing army, those type of wars are over. This is the start of something big and our so called leaders have no clue. God help us all "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is it going to be worth the retaliation?
I don't think they think of that before they start bombing people.
Hope all service personnel a safe mission"
Really? Do you think they thought they'd drop a few drops and get nothing back? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Hope they dont arm some other treacherous 4kers who end up turning on us again.
Yes, our troops do a great job, but our leaders are stupid. Still, good for arms sales, one of our growing manufacturing industries...
I worry about the crazy ISIS 4kers when they return and start causing trouble. 5th column paranoia, but watch them cry 'Human Rights'. We should find them and kick their doors in at 4 in the morning, interrogate them, send them on a plane, maybe get the Saudis to do more of the fighting..."
I always think of bill hicks when I read this.
"I'm so sick of arming the world and then sending troops over to destroy the fucking arms, you know what I mean? We keep arming these little countries, then we go and blow the shit out of them. We're like the bullies of the world, you know.
We're like Jack Palance in the movie Shane, throwing the pistol at the sheep herder's feet: "Pick it up."
"I don't wanna pick it up mister, you'll shoot me."
"Pick up the gun."
"Mister, I don't want no trouble, huh. I just came down town here to get some hard rock candy for my kids, some gingham for my wife. I don't even know what gingham is, but she goes through about 10 rolls a week of that stuff. I ain't looking for no trouble, mister."
"Pick up the gun."
Boom, boom.
"You all saw him. He had a gun." |
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"If your village has been over run by isis or russia for that matter, do you still have to pay your mortgage, or council tax?"
Try telling that to the victim's families of 9/11 or the London Bombings, need I go on? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Blow every last one of them up. "
Even the innocent civilians ? 
Agree with the guy who said the big countries arm them, because they do..
Don't agree with war of any kind. Mabye stop watching the BBC news and do your own research cos clearly some folk are brainwashed by it  |
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Sad news imo as each time we enter or start these wars it just makes our country and people more vulnerable to terrorist attacks. This has been billed as a war to continue for years and should not have been done unless certain things are clearer or different.
Firstly the long term plan needs to be crystal clear, as well as cost to us. What the projected terrorist threat to us will be because of it. It is absolutely only right to vote on something when all available facts are made available.
Doing this on a rushed open day at parliament has an obvious pressure to close the case when the voters are given insufficient information to make informed decisions, rather than knee jerk voting to appease the flailing inadequate prime minister.
Expect terror alerts and casualties because of this. We will spend millions that we cannot afford either. The only winners are arms suppliers.
Will you be happy if people you know are injured or killed as a result! If not, then don't be swayed by career politicians who have protection and won't have their kids in the frontline of the forces. I'm really sad. |
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"Can bombing save hostages?
I don't know."
No. Hostages will have their lives cut short by us bombing. Terribly tragic and a wrong move on our part. Expect hostages never to be found alive and positioned where they think we will bomb. |
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By *hortieWoman
over a year ago
Northampton |
I would prefer the approach of cordoning off the country/ies, cutting all contack, closing all borders, and let them get the fuck on with blowing shit out of eachother and sort themselves out. Make them a world 'no go zone' . (well, for the west, anyway.)
Sounds harsh to say, but any aid workers who have gone or will go to those countries will know and should accept the risks. so we should ban anyone travelling to and from there.
Before anyone picks holes in this hypothetical scenario, my other choice would have been to nuke the whole fucking lot and let them start again. (but i much prefer the former idea.)
I'm fucking fed up of our men and money being wasted on those extremists.
*goes back to my happy corner*. |
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"Oh god, big mistake. Drive more people into the terrorists arms in one fell swoop....... "
So feel free to explain your thesis as to how to call a halt to the terrorism which affects now, and already has done to so many innocent people. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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How utterly depressing.
Decades of terrible foreign policy are responsible for this (and of course the archaic nut bags on the other side).
I just see no end to this. Fight, retaliate, fight, retaliate. More arms deals, more oil.
Bleurgh. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Wrong decision. These groups come in to existence because of all this. Just watch how few years down the line, more groups will come in to existence because of this very decision.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There has been a plan in place for the last ten years or so - to 'liberate' 5 states in the Middle East.
Big question is when they go for Iran, cos that's when it could go nuclear.
IFocus on the big picture + ask yourselves why we are getting involved in a far away country about which we know very little |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can bombing save hostages?
I don't know.
No. Hostages will have their lives cut short by us bombing. Terribly tragic and a wrong move on our part. Expect hostages never to be found alive and positioned where they think we will bomb. "
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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at this stage what we are talking about is 6 uk tornado aircrafts helping hit specific targets in iraq at the request of the legitimate iraqi government...
the dutch today said they were sending 6 f-16's.... the danes said today they were sending 7 f-16's....
after hearing of the terrible crimes being commited by IS, I have no issue with this limited action (people might want to read up on the story of the iraqi woman human rights laywer who was publicly executed by IS in the last few days.....)
beheadings, gouging out of eyes, crucifictions....
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Of course the bombs that will be dropped in our name will be able to differentiate between innocents within the targeted areas and extremists. Our press and media will highlight the slaughter of the innocents.
The aid workers held captive will be brutally murdered and our politicians will say they had a mandate for taking such action.
Wonder if such a vote would have been held prior to the Scottish Referendum?
The world was a safer place when we left the Middle East alone. |
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Strongly believe we have to act globally to stop these people but why are we not putting more pressure on more countries in that region to also act..?
Saudi's have an air force that is ten fold what we have and Turkey also has massive resources..
just get the feeling that this will spread, we may destroy them in time but the knock on effect will be on our streets and in our shopping centres I fear..
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It is of course a moral imperative. The same that motivated Blair. But look ahead folks. How is it going to help? They are are a tribal culture. Bombing really is not the answer. I had really hoped that our MPs would have had a better take on this. We all feel the need for retaliaton but has recent history not taught us anything? |
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"Oh god, big mistake. Drive more people into the terrorists arms in one fell swoop.......
So feel free to explain your thesis as to how to call a halt to the terrorism which affects now, and already has done to so many innocent people. "
Because a quick look at any bloody history book would show that using heavy duty arms against terrorists will hurt civilian life more than the terrorist. This then acts as a recruitment sergeant for the very force being fought. Look at Ireland, Israel etc
To fight terrorism effectivly a compromise must be found that is agreeable to all parties . ] |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Big difference in The Middle East is the religious dimension - we can never sort it - only the Saudis, Turks, Iranians etc. can. Even if they wont, they have to be *seen* to be calling the shots.
We will always be seen as Crusaders.
Perhaps war is a fact of life. I blame God for offering Jerusalem *exclusively* to 3 different religions...
...this is deep for a Swinging site though, isnt it?
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
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To fight terrorism effectivly a compromise must be found that is agreeable to all parties . ]"
To think that compromise is possible with these fundamentalists is naieve in the extreme. This is completely different from Irish terrorism etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The world was a safer place when we left the Middle East alone"
The only time we will leave the middle east alone is when we don't need the oil anymore or it runs out  |
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To fight terrorism effectivly a compromise must be found that is agreeable to all parties . ]
To think that compromise is possible with these fundamentalists is naieve in the extreme. This is completely different from Irish terrorism etc."
The West are about to open a dispute that they will not win by force ] |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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To those against getting involved what planetdo they live on fact is this latest grouo to tertorise the wotld are well organised and if folk think for one second that taking no action will achieve anything are dekuding themselves.
There is no option than to become involved using all means at our disoosal.
My only concern is that due to cuts in arned forces over last few years that we do not have the personnel or equipment to cope with a prolonged war which this will be in most folks _iews. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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It is fine wanting to destroy evil and isis is evil.
But will we ever learn that Islamic state only exists because we tried to enforce democracy on Iraq.
We should not interfere with internal politics anywhere because it was our interference created the problem.
Will we learn,answer NO because politions do not study history,it is so simple,it annoys me |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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""The world was a safer place when we left the Middle East alone"
The only time we will leave the middle east alone is when we don't need the oil anymore or it runs out "
By which time the Middle Eastians will own outright the entire western world.
So what's yer plan B? |
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
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To fight terrorism effectivly a compromise must be found that is agreeable to all parties . ]
To think that compromise is possible with these fundamentalists is naieve in the extreme. This is completely different from Irish terrorism etc.
The West are about to open a dispute that they will not win by force ]"
It's not about 'opening a dispute', the dispute is already there, they hate the West.
To stand back and watch the slaughter of thousands of innocents would be shameful. Just because they aren't British doesn't mean we should let it happen. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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""The world was a safer place when we left the Middle East alone"
The only time we will leave the middle east alone is when we don't need the oil anymore or it runs out
By which time the Middle Eastians will own outright the entire western world.
So what's yer plan B? "
Not everyone in the middle east wants to own the entire western world,
But with the help of other counties wipe IS of the face of the planet |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Strongly believe we have to act globally to stop these people but why are we not putting more pressure on more countries in that region to also act..?
Saudi's have an air force that is ten fold what we have and Turkey also has massive resources..
just get the feeling that this will spread, we may destroy them in time but the knock on effect will be on our streets and in our shopping centres I fear..
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The Saudi Air Force HAVE been involved. Also Bahrain and Kuwait. These are Sunni dominated countries bombing targets of a Sunni terrorist group...for once (I think the first time) the West have actually tried to do things in the right order.
As to what effect it will actually have? Most military "experts" agree that ground forces will be needed....these too need to be Arab/local forces or again it will just be seen as crusader infidels... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There is no "Just War"
Humankind have been at loggerheads for whatever reason since time immemorial "
Take your point Super, but anyway it includes the criterion of using proportionate force.
You bomb me + I'll bomb you.
Which is why you hear all the propaganda about threats to uk.
To provide the moral framework to justify pre-emptive action.
But The Hague is a very quiet place eh |
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"There is no "Just War"
Humankind have been at loggerheads for whatever reason since time immemorial
Take your point Super, but anyway it includes the criterion of using proportionate force.
You bomb me + I'll bomb you.
Which is why you hear all the propaganda about threats to uk.
To provide the moral framework to justify pre-emptive action.
But The Hague is a very quiet place eh"
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By *hortieWoman
over a year ago
Northampton |
UK should clearly state any aid workers going there do so under caution of death - make them sign papers that they and their immediate families also agree to and understand.
Block any direct connections with those countries, and block any immigrants coming in from those countries.
Let them get on with it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hope they dont arm some other treacherous 4kers who end up turning on us again.
Yes, our troops do a great job, but our leaders are stupid. Still, good for arms sales, one of our growing manufacturing industries...
I worry about the crazy ISIS 4kers when they return and start causing trouble. 5th column paranoia, but watch them cry 'Human Rights'. We should find them and kick their doors in at 4 in the morning, interrogate them, send them on a plane, maybe get the Saudis to do more of the fighting...
I always think of bill hicks when I read this.
"I'm so sick of arming the world and then sending troops over to destroy the fucking arms, you know what I mean? We keep arming these little countries, then we go and blow the shit out of them. We're like the bullies of the world, you know.
We're like Jack Palance in the movie Shane, throwing the pistol at the sheep herder's feet: "Pick it up."
"I don't wanna pick it up mister, you'll shoot me."
"Pick up the gun."
"Mister, I don't want no trouble, huh. I just came down town here to get some hard rock candy for my kids, some gingham for my wife. I don't even know what gingham is, but she goes through about 10 rolls a week of that stuff. I ain't looking for no trouble, mister."
"Pick up the gun."
Boom, boom.
"You all saw him. He had a gun.""
Pretty much this. There's a great newspaper clip doing the rounds on Twitter and probably FB (don't do Fb), called 'Clear as Mud' which describes this situation perfectly. We should not be going to war again. It's not been thought through, no end game in place; instead just a an acknowledgement that it will take 'years' - at what cost financially and physically. There is an election coming up though and wars are good for elections. We have previous in the region and it's not good. If Tony Blair says it's a good idea there's a message there...
Cameron was itching weeks ago as soon as the US went in but he couldn't go in as it would have tipped the referendum to a very definite Yes. I'm surprised he's waited a full week since that passed to be honest.
We will be in Syria next and there will be people on the ground (to join the ones already there that they claim aren't there).
Both Daisy and I have close family who are either active or retired from the military and like most here we hope everyone stays safe. They do know what they're signing up for and it is their job - however it doesn't make it right when 'our' Government arm all these people in the first palace and then we have to go in and stop them again when it goes wrong.
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By (user no longer on site)
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To fight terrorism effectivly a compromise must be found that is agreeable to all parties . ]
To think that compromise is possible with these fundamentalists is naieve in the extreme. This is completely different from Irish terrorism etc."
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