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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Three months for inappropriately touching a woman once is quite harsh.
Yes he did wrong, he has certainly learned his lesson, he won't be doing it again.
What sentence do you think would be appropriate ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Why.
Found guilty of 1 (one, not 14) over the clothes sexual assault.
Also no previous criminal record.
Finally only convicted by a majority decision (after our normal unanimous requirement failed) of 10-2.
This is the way our justice system works for single crime criminals. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I'm not sure actually. But considering the maximum sentence could have been 10 years, three months suspended for 2 years is bizarre. Justice system is a mess |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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Considering all of the factors outlined above, it seems a fair result.
A person is sentenced for what they have been found guilty of, with all other relevant things considered. They don't get time added for being a wrong 'un, or for not being found guilty for something else.  |
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"I don't think he will do it again.
this"
I work with a lady who touches my thigh in meetings. Nothing else, no banter or winks or anything. Just if she sits next to me, she rests her hand on my thigh. It's really difficult sometimes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't think he will do it again.
this
I work with a lady who touches my thigh in meetings. Nothing else, no banter or winks or anything. Just if she sits next to me, she rests her hand on my thigh. It's really difficult sometimes. "
Can you not have a quiet word with her ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Three months in prison?! Not enough. SUSPENDED FOR TWO YEARS?!?! You're having a fucking laugh Mr justice system"
your right the justice system is a joke but not in this instance bit harsh for his first offence even though i dislike the guy.
What is rediculous is its his only offence yet he gets 2 years how absurd is this when burglars,car thieves etc continually re-offend and continually get suspended sentences and community service even after offending whilst on bail. Id cut their ffffffing hands off or worse |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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When deciding a sentence after conviction - you have two choices in jurisprudence.
to punish or to ensure there is no repeat offending .
What's more important to you? |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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Firstly I don't condone anyone groping anyone else without permission and I am not excusing anyone who does.....but these things happened in that era and were laughed off by many of us.
If every person who groped another at that time all got nicked there would be no room in any prison for anyone else.
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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None of us, I guess, sat through the entire proceedings so judgements on the basis of media reports are difficult.
I can't believe DLT is the only person who has made unwelcome advances towards a woman but his position of power ought to have been taken into consideration when sentencing.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Firstly I don't condone anyone groping anyone else without permission and I am not excusing anyone who does.....but these things happened in that era and were laughed off by many of us.
If every person who groped another at that time all got nicked there would be no room in any prison for anyone else.
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A few more jobs may have opened up in the entertainment industry though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I know someone that got 2 years for attempted murder...I know someone who got 2 years for stealing from their employer its swings and roundabouts with sentencing  "
What you have to understand is that crimes against property is the ultimate sin in English law,
Crimes against the person is small change. Your story illustrates this fact perfectly |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"we know someone who got away with killing someone through careless driving and got away with it, happens all the time. 
Was they found not guilty ? "
yes they were im using it as an example of how stupid it is the way people get away with much more serious crimes.
its political correctness gone mad. |
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"None of us, I guess, sat through the entire proceedings so judgements on the basis of media reports are difficult.
I can't believe DLT is the only person who has made unwelcome advances towards a woman but his position of power ought to have been taken into consideration when sentencing.
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agreed however I do wonder if his position in society post Saville etc had a lot to do with his actually being put before the bench..
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"I know someone that got 2 years for attempted murder...I know someone who got 2 years for stealing from their employer its swings and roundabouts with sentencing
What you have to understand is that crimes against property is the ultimate sin in English law,
Crimes against the person is small change. Your story illustrates this fact perfectly"
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"we know someone who got away with killing someone through careless driving and got away with it, happens all the time.
Was they found not guilty ?
yes they were im using it as an example of how stupid it is the way people get away with much more serious crimes.
its political correctness gone mad."
so from that can one assume (as you don't seem to want to answer a previous question) that you think he shouldn't have been put before a court..? |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Firstly I don't condone anyone groping anyone else without permission and I am not excusing anyone who does.....but these things happened in that era and were laughed off by many of us.
If every person who groped another at that time all got nicked there would be no room in any prison for anyone else.
A few more jobs may have opened up in the entertainment industry though. "
I was talking more from a general point of _iew.
I doubt if Joe Bloggs who groped a woman in the pub he worked would be up in court though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"we know someone who got away with killing someone through careless driving and got away with it, happens all the time.
Was they found not guilty ?
yes they were im using it as an example of how stupid it is the way people get away with much more serious crimes.
its political correctness gone mad."
But if they were found not guilty maybe they were innocent and therefore got away with nothing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I doubt if Joe Bloggs who groped a woman in the pub he worked would be up in court though."
I think you are probably right. A warning and possibly the sack but I doubt very much court. |
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"Three months in prison?! Not enough. SUSPENDED FOR TWO YEARS?!?! You're having a fucking laugh Mr justice system"
As he is unlikely to re offend and has already incurred substantial legal fees , the sentence is harsh enough. Would anyone have pursued this case if he was not famous . ?
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I doubt if Joe Bloggs who groped a woman in the pub he worked would be up in court though.
I think you are probably right. A warning and possibly the sack but I doubt very much court. "
I know of someone who did something similar and kept his job and the police were not even told..
gotta love freemasonry |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Firstly I don't condone anyone groping anyone else without permission and I am not excusing anyone who does.....but these things happened in that era and were laughed off by many of us.
If every person who groped another at that time all got nicked there would be no room in any prison for anyone else.
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The man has nothing left,hes hardly a danger to society |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Next time a man decides it ok to grab my boobs while im out clubbing,ill call the police instead of telling him to fuck off,I wouldn't expect much action would be taken though
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Firstly I don't condone anyone groping anyone else without permission and I am not excusing anyone who does.....but these things happened in that era and were laughed off by many of us.
If every person who groped another at that time all got nicked there would be no room in any prison for anyone else.
The man has nothing left,hes hardly a danger to society"
Agreed but sentencing has to carry an element of deterrent to others. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Next time a man decides it ok to grab my boobs while im out clubbing,ill call the police instead of telling him to fuck off,I wouldn't expect much action would be taken though
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no they would laugh in your face. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Next time a man decides it ok to grab my boobs while im out clubbing,ill call the police instead of telling him to fuck off,I wouldn't expect much action would be taken though
no they would laugh in your face."
They might if it were the only report against an individual but if it formed part of a pattern, things might be different. |
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"Next time a man decides it ok to grab my boobs while im out clubbing,ill call the police instead of telling him to fuck off,I wouldn't expect much action would be taken though
no they would laugh in your face."
I don't think that's quite true as it is still a crime..they would take a statement and may speak to the persons involved I doubt very much if someone had reported they had been sexually harassed the police would laugh in their face. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Next time a man decides it ok to grab my boobs while im out clubbing,ill call the police instead of telling him to fuck off,I wouldn't expect much action would be taken though
no they would laugh in your face.
I don't think that's quite true as it is still a crime..they would take a statement and may speak to the persons involved I doubt very much if someone had reported they had been sexually harassed the police would laugh in their face. "
I think 1400 girls in Rotherham would tell you otherwise. |
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It's a waste of tax payers money.....as has been said, it was a different culture in those days. Having a hand brushed across your breast and it ruins your life? Get real.....
Then real cases like the youngsters in Rotherham are brushed under the carpet.
This world is crazy |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Firstly I don't condone anyone groping anyone else without permission and I am not excusing anyone who does.....but these things happened in that era and were laughed off by many of us.
If every person who groped another at that time all got nicked there would be no room in any prison for anyone else.
A few more jobs may have opened up in the entertainment industry though.
I was talking more from a general point of _iew.
I doubt if Joe Bloggs who groped a woman in the pub he worked would be up in court though."
I think this. In that era people did touch... Look at things like the Benny hill sketches or the carry on movies x
I remember the guys at the fairgrounds giving the girls a feel as they helped them in and out but people weren't crying sexual assault.
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"Firstly I don't condone anyone groping anyone else without permission and I am not excusing anyone who does.....but these things happened in that era and were laughed off by many of us.
If every person who groped another at that time all got nicked there would be no room in any prison for anyone else.
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totally agree! different era! there were girls at the school I attended who would do what ever it took to get on TOP's or get back stage with a Bay city roller, D_nny Osmond or the like! on Saturday Nights they'd be aloud into the local night club and were determined to pull or to be pulled and not one over 16 or 18
And What about the one who claims to have been groped by him and yet point blank refuses to go to the police?! She is now selling her story?!
So how will this work in Chams of an evening when there's I would suggest a lot of inappropriate groping going on? You know the no means no rule, will management now have to call the police if you complain and if you don't are you condoning it?
Don't get me wrong I won't condone sex crime but some how the lines have become blurred because unless every individual says what you've just done to me is a crime and reports it as such how can it be.
How much groping goes on at the office party etc.
anyone who does or thinks about touching anyone even if the other person says yes please don't do it! it could far to easily come back to haunt you.
cynic in me says what pay off are they now expecting?
and not even a unanimous decision! How much has this cost the TAX payer! way more than the cost of the sentence? |
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"Three months in prison?! Not enough. SUSPENDED FOR TWO YEARS?!?! You're having a fucking laugh Mr justice system"
Your right i think the justice system is having a laugh!....that stupid woman said nothing for twenty years......sat and watch his first trial and said nothing...then because he said the women that were giving evidence against him were lying she thought she would open her mouth and come up with this stupid story, its a piss take, it should be her that gets locked up |
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Whats worrying is the retrospective application of current thinking. As someone has said, this was all common at the time. What's next? Do we all complain to the police that our parents smacked us when we were children, because it's now illegal? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Whats worrying is the retrospective application of current thinking. As someone has said, this was all common at the time. What's next? Do we all complain to the police that our parents smacked us when we were children, because it's now illegal?"
Yes that wouldn't surprise me either. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Whats worrying is the retrospective application of current thinking. As someone has said, this was all common at the time. What's next? Do we all complain to the police that our parents smacked us when we were children, because it's now illegal?
Yes that wouldn't surprise me either."
Its not actually illegal to smack but to me its a similar thing xx maybe people making claims against a teacher who canes them |
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You get charged under the laws at the time of the offence I.e. 1995 laws with 1995 sentencing policy. Bearing in mind the flurry of cautions now being handed out going back to 1995 then it's probably about right. Had he done it last week then maybe got more
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By (user no longer on site)
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"we know someone who got away with killing someone through careless driving and got away with it, happens all the time.
Was they found not guilty ?
yes they were im using it as an example of how stupid it is the way people get away with much more serious crimes.
its political correctness gone mad."
You really have no idea what political correctness is do you?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Next time a man decides it ok to grab my boobs while im out clubbing,ill call the police instead of telling him to fuck off,I wouldn't expect much action would be taken though
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Google 'sex offenders register night club grope' and it shows that people are on the sex offenders register for groping women in nightclubs |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Considering all of the factors outlined above, it seems a fair result.
As allways Tina you are very wise xx
A person is sentenced for what they have been found guilty of, with all other relevant things considered. They don't get time added for being a wrong 'un, or for not being found guilty for something else. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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While there's an element of truth in the fact that the culture 20 or 30 years ago was different I don't see how that excuses it.
Ultimately what he did was wrong, a common theme of all the allegations against him was that they were people he was in a position of influence over - be that age or influence and that is bullying.
With regards to the sentencing, I think it's fair, it certainly didn;t deserve a custodial. I think community service might have been more fitting as it may have taought him some humility something that was lacking in his statement after his sentencing earlier today. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Well... Does anyone know about Sam pepper, a YouTube famous guy who filmed a 'prank' grabbing girls butts and posted it online. A lot of girls have come out with horror stories from him as well so one could hope the creep gets locked up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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On the basis of the specific allegation the sentence is fair. As much as the AG is considering a referral, i would be surprised if the appeal court found it unduly lenient.
Don't forget along with the suspended sentence he will be on the sex offenders register which in itself is punishment.
A previous poster mentioned that he was sentenced under the law applicable at the time of the offence, therefore the sentence is perhaps different than it would be now.
Huge degree of sensitivity around sex offences at the moment, and for good reason post saville etc, and I'm not suggesting for one minute that the case shouldn't have come to court as if there was a reasonable prospect of conviction then it rightly should have done, but, i do get concerned that media hysteria may actually hamper those victims who are still trying to muster the courage to make a complaint. |
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"Well... Does anyone know about Sam pepper, a YouTube famous guy who filmed a 'prank' grabbing girls butts and posted it online. A lot of girls have come out with horror stories from him as well so one could hope the creep gets locked up."
no need to search you tube.... just think of Gok Wan on his show, he was always grabbing the womens "bangers"
so it must be allowed if your gay ?? |
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"Well... Does anyone know about Sam pepper, a YouTube famous guy who filmed a 'prank' grabbing girls butts and posted it online. A lot of girls have come out with horror stories from him as well so one could hope the creep gets locked up.
no need to search you tube.... just think of Gok Wan on his show, he was always grabbing the womens "bangers"
so it must be allowed if your gay ??"
The 'gay' card is a strong card, I dunno... I have seen many gays being touchy feely to girls, it's common, acceptable..I'm not sure either. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Well... Does anyone know about Sam pepper, a YouTube famous guy who filmed a 'prank' grabbing girls butts and posted it online. A lot of girls have come out with horror stories from him as well so one could hope the creep gets locked up.
no need to search you tube.... just think of Gok Wan on his show, he was always grabbing the womens "bangers"
so it must be allowed if your gay ??"
Wan's production team would have made sure he had their consent in advance. |
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