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The Referendum Thread Part 3
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over a year ago
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Yes, part 2 probably reaching it's size limit.
Glasgow declares
169,347 'No' votes
194,779 'Yes'votes
47% 'No' 53% 'Yes'split
Turnout 75%
Total votes so far
1,031,472 'No' votes
833,031 'Yes' votes
Split
55% 'No' 45% 'Yes'
21/32 Declared |
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North Ayrshire declares
49,016 'No' votes
47.072 'Yes'votes
51% 'No' 49% 'Yes'split
Turnout %
Total votes so far
1,305,388 'No' votes
1,102,788 'Yes' votes
Split
54% 'No' 46% 'Yes'
24/32 Declared |
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South Ayrshire declares
47,247 'No' votes
34,402 'Yes'votes
58% 'No' 42% 'Yes'split
Turnout 86.1%
Total votes so far
1,352,635 'No' votes
1,137,190 'Yes' votes
'No' leads by 215,445 votes
Split
54% 'No' 46% 'Yes'
25/32 Declared |
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East Ayrshire declares
44,442 'No' votes
39,762 'Yes'votes
53% 'No' 47% 'Yes'split
Turnout 84.5%
Total votes so far
1,397,077 'No' votes
1,176,952 'Yes' votes
'No' leads by 220,125 votes
Split
54% 'No' 46% 'Yes'
26/32 Declared
6 more to go |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Now this is not the end .It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps , the beginning of the end . Winston Churchill ."
'end of the beginning'?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No not over yet, however the Losers are having there say, the word delusion comes into mind, bad losers what they dont realize is there is now a divided Scotland and that's trouble. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Thought Tommy Sheridan was going to kick off in the studio!
Yes he was bitting his tounge big time but then started spouting rather than discussing."
Tommy's heart is in the right place but his brain is up his arse. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Thought Tommy Sheridan was going to kick off in the studio!
Yes he was bitting his tounge big time but then started spouting rather than discussing.
Tommy's heart is in the right place but his brain is up his arse."
I particularly enjoyed him blaming the BBC, while on the BBC. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Been a while since the last declaration.
Yep and the tv channels are struggling - lot of rubbish being spoken  "
I think Huw Edwards has got a tough job.
Can't be easy to waffle on not knowing how long you've got to fill in for till the next result.
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Been a while since the last declaration.
Yep and the tv channels are struggling - lot of rubbish being spoken
I think Huw Edwards has got a tough job.
Can't be easy to waffle on not knowing how long you've got to fill in for till the next result.
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And then they arrive like buses, 4 at a time.
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"Been a while since the last declaration.
Yep and the tv channels are struggling - lot of rubbish being spoken
I think Huw Edwards has got a tough job.
Can't be easy to waffle on not knowing how long you've got to fill in for till the next result.
And then they arrive like buses, 4 at a time.
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Ohh i dont hope ... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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3 more in
Aberdeenshire declares
Turnout %
108,606 'No' votes (60%)
71,337 'Yes'votes ( %)
Edinburgh declares
Turnout 84%
194,638 'No' votes (61%)
123,927 'Yes'votes (39%)
Argyll & Bute declares
Turnout %
37,143 'No' votes (59%)
26,324 'Yes'votes (41%)
Total votes so far
1,737,464 'No' votes (55%)
1,398,540 'Yes' votes (45%)
'No' leads by 338,924 votes
29/32 Declared |
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Fife declares
Turnout 84.1%
139,788 'No' votes (55%)
114,148 'Yes'votes (45%)
Total votes so far
1,877,252 'No' votes (55%)
1,512,688 'Yes' votes (45%)
'No' leads by 364,564 votes
30/32 Declared
Tips the total over the amount required to decide final outcome.
Scotland has voted 'No' |
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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago
Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria |
I'm happy the union isn't going to be broken up, but I do think there'll still be some stormy waters ahead as there will be a lot of resentment over the funding formula from some of the English...I have to admit that it left a nasty taste in my mouth - not just the fact that Scots will receive more money per head, but that the politicos had to resort to what seems like bribery. However, I'm glad you Jocks are still with us  |
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Moray declares
Turnout 85.4%
36,935 'No' votes (58%)
27,232 'Yes'votes (42%)
Total votes so far
1,914,187 'No' votes (55%)
1,539,920 'Yes' votes (45%)
'No' leads by 374,267 votes
31/32 Declared |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"So does 'no' mean 'no'?
Or just 'not right now - let's try again in a few years'?
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From what Eck said it sounds like they'll keep pressing for years to come. Probably wait for the next economic and social downturn, which is the only reason there was one now. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So does 'no' mean 'no'?
Or just 'not right now - let's try again in a few years'?
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I think it's already been mentioned in the coverage that this is a decision that will stand for the next 15 years.
So, expect this to all kick off again around 2027 |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
Falkirk |
Well, I think it's safe to say it's done now.
I think the turnout has shown people everywhere that it's important to get out and vote whatever the result.
So now it's all been and done, it's time for people to hug each other and put aside their political differences without recriminations as we all have to live and work together  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh come on Highlands, declare so I can post the final result and go get a couple of hours sleep, lol
You're hardcore!"
Just want to be thorough that's all
I bet they don't declare for hours, lol |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"So does 'no' mean 'no'?
Or just 'not right now - let's try again in a few years'?
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I think it's already been mentioned in the coverage that this is a decision that will stand for the next 15 years.
So, expect this to all kick off again around 2027"
Eck said "Well, that's my view. In my view this is a once in a generation, perhaps even once in a lifetime opportunity for Scotland. "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Oh come on Highlands, declare so I can post the final result and go get a couple of hours sleep, lol
You're hardcore!
Just want to be thorough that's all
I bet they don't declare for hours, lol"
I'd like to know as it's my area! If it's a yes win it may be the only thing that gets me out of buying butties at tea break! |
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Whoooooooo hooooooooo always been a unionist
Happy happy happy here
Credit where's it due...YeSNP got people engaged in politics......transform that into productive actions...to make Scotland better...to the rest of the Uk......let's hope this mean electrol reform for all.....so we have a fairer country |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well, I think it's safe to say it's done now.
I think the turnout has shown people everywhere that it's important to get out and vote whatever the result.
So now it's all been and done, it's time for people to hug each other and put aside their political differences without recriminations as we all have to live and work together "
Well said. I was amazed listening to people in their 50's saying they'd never voted until yesterday. I'm glad we are all still together. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Whoooooooo hooooooooo always been a unionist
Happy happy happy here
Credit where's it due...YeSNP got people engaged in politics......transform that into productive actions...to make Scotland better...to the rest of the Uk......let's hope this mean electrol reform for all.....so we have a fairer country"
I hope for this too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh come on Highlands, declare so I can post the final result and go get a couple of hours sleep, lol
You're hardcore!
Just want to be thorough that's all
I bet they don't declare for hours, lol
I'd like to know as it's my area! If it's a yes win it may be the only thing that gets me out of buying butties at tea break!"
Apparently the result has been delayed due to an earlier accident on the A9 |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Oh come on Highlands, declare so I can post the final result and go get a couple of hours sleep, lol
You're hardcore!
Just want to be thorough that's all
I bet they don't declare for hours, lol
I'd like to know as it's my area! If it's a yes win it may be the only thing that gets me out of buying butties at tea break!
Apparently the result has been delayed due to an earlier accident on the A9"
Yeah was really foggy last night. About par for the course round here unfortunately. |
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Unlucky scotland. You had a great oppurtunity but unfortunitly decides to stick with the status quo.
people are scared of change and stick within their comfort zones.
Feel for the yes voters, if I was living in scotland id certainly have voted yes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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A victory for all methinks, except perhaps a few bigwigs at Westminster...
Salmond, I feel, will be delighted with securing 'devo-max-plus' (and 2 years ago, probably would have bitten Cameron's hand off to take it), lots of people engaged with politics.... I hope the yes campaign aren't too disappointed and savour the gains all of Scotland has made together. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you all don't mind, I need to go take a nap.
Looks like the Highlands result might take a while anyway, as they've only recently announced the turnout.
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
Amazing turnout and I'm glad there Union isn't being broken up but this is so close it will be back.
Inverclyde's 13% who didn't vote and 86 votes giving it to No shows a place split apart.
I really hope people can heal and stop the pain of turning on each other.
The news story is about England and that is wrong today. Nige will see his dreams come true.
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"If you all don't mind, I need to go take a nap.
Looks like the Highlands result might take a while anyway, as they've only recently announced the turnout.
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You did a grand job. Sleep well. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Final result :
Highland declares
Turnout 87%
87,739 'No' votes (53%)
78.069 'Yes'votes (47%)
Total votes so far
2,001,926 'No' votes (55%)
1,617,989 'Yes' votes (45%)
'No' has it by 383,937 votes
Total Votes cast 3,619,915.
32/32 Declared
Nap time |
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Sadly people have lost friendships and families have been split by this.
Due to the 'vociferous' nature of the 'Yes" campaign - it would appear that a great many of the no voters were indeed the silent 'no' voters.
Some of the 'Yes' voters are referring to the 'No" voters as traitors and non-Scots. You should be shamed of yourselves. |
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"I knew they would bottle it at the last moment !"
That's such a stupid thing to say. 
A democratic vote took place and the results are fair. There's no need to be insulting. It's got nothing to do with bottle. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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all those votes cast and nothing has changed , westminster will decide if we are to get any new powers , westminster will decide what piss poor new powers we get , westminster will decide when we might possably get any new powers , wonder how thats going to go with a westminster election not too far off ? |
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"all those votes cast and nothing has changed , westminster will decide if we are to get any new powers , westminster will decide what piss poor new powers we get , westminster will decide when we might possably get any new powers , wonder how thats going to go with a westminster election not too far off ?"
the vote however it went was always going to mean a few changes in the country and whilst that's not happened yet I think in 5 to 10 yrs we will all look back and say it was the Scottish referendum that was the catalyst..
its not about where the power is held, be that Westminster, Holyrood, Stormont or Cardiff its about how we allow ourselves to be governed and how we try and become a more equal and fair society..
that I thought was partly where the SNP got it wrong in making it a 'the Westminster lot against us', most people saw through it and realised it was a smoke screen from the facts that many in the no camp wanted answered.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Well there appears to be a clear majority for No, but it's not one too crow about. There needs to be significant change now. "
You a;lready get more per head and great deals on NHS prescriptions Free uni for your young adults...What the fuck is your gripe?
Do you think your any different to anyone else from a big northern city? or do you think its Scotlands god given right to put in less and take out more |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Some unhappy people in work today unfortunately, it's hardly a total failure is it? "
In a nutshell its 7/1 really results wise which put into football terms is a hammering
28 to 4 and with 3 of the 4 being large secretarian areas really does say it all,thank god sense prevailed |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well there appears to be a clear majority for No, but it's not one too crow about. There needs to be significant change now. You a;lready get more per head and great deals on NHS prescriptions Free uni for your young adults...What the fuck is your gripe?
Do you think your any different to anyone else from a big northern city? or do you think its Scotlands god given right to put in less and take out more "
That is interesting. The No campaign did keep referring to the greater spending per Scottish head. I wondered if there were any specific figures compared with revenue raised per head. The good old BBC has them here - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24866266 - and if they are correct it appears that they generate much more than we do when oil and gas revenue is taken into account. The difference in per head spending should be much more to even it up. So it does seem that Scotland is losing out. |
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"Well there appears to be a clear majority for No, but it's not one too crow about. There needs to be significant change now. You a;lready get more per head and great deals on NHS prescriptions Free uni for your young adults...What the fuck is your gripe?
Do you think your any different to anyone else from a big northern city? or do you think its Scotlands god given right to put in less and take out more
That is interesting. The No campaign did keep referring to the greater spending per Scottish head. I wondered if there were any specific figures compared with revenue raised per head. The good old BBC has them here - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24866266 - and if they are correct it appears that they generate much more than we do when oil and gas revenue is taken into account. The difference in per head spending should be much more to even it up. So it does seem that Scotland is losing out."
Oil companies generate the money,All the renewable energy program in Scotland has been set up by the uk government,The uk waters hold the oil,I pay more in taxes than the bloke across the road who is on benefits,am i losing out or is it a union.
Were Scotland not getting a fair deal before the oil boom(Which will be gone in our lifetime) |
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"Well there appears to be a clear majority for No, but it's not one too crow about. There needs to be significant change now. You a;lready get more per head and great deals on NHS prescriptions Free uni for your young adults...What the fuck is your gripe?
Do you think your any different to anyone else from a big northern city? or do you think its Scotlands god given right to put in less and take out more
That is interesting. The No campaign did keep referring to the greater spending per Scottish head. I wondered if there were any specific figures compared with revenue raised per head. The good old BBC has them here - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24866266 - and if they are correct it appears that they generate much more than we do when oil and gas revenue is taken into account. The difference in per head spending should be much more to even it up. So it does seem that Scotland is losing out.Oil companies generate the money,All the renewable energy program in Scotland has been set up by the uk government,The uk waters hold the oil,I pay more in taxes than the bloke across the road who is on benefits,am i losing out or is it a union.
Were Scotland not getting a fair deal before the oil boom(Which will be gone in our lifetime)"
I have no vested interest. I am happy that Scotland voted No.
I do not really understand the point you are making.
I was just interested in the figures behind the argument that Scotland is effectively subsidised. If the figures on the BBC site are true (and assuming that there are no other significant factors involved), it seems that Scotland is the one subsidising the UK. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well there appears to be a clear majority for No, but it's not one too crow about. There needs to be significant change now. You a;lready get more per head and great deals on NHS prescriptions Free uni for your young adults...What the fuck is your gripe?
Do you think your any different to anyone else from a big northern city? or do you think its Scotlands god given right to put in less and take out more
That is interesting. The No campaign did keep referring to the greater spending per Scottish head. I wondered if there were any specific figures compared with revenue raised per head. The good old BBC has them here - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24866266 - and if they are correct it appears that they generate much more than we do when oil and gas revenue is taken into account. The difference in per head spending should be much more to even it up. So it does seem that Scotland is losing out.Oil companies generate the money,All the renewable energy program in Scotland has been set up by the uk government,The uk waters hold the oil,I pay more in taxes than the bloke across the road who is on benefits,am i losing out or is it a union.
Were Scotland not getting a fair deal before the oil boom(Which will be gone in our lifetime)
I have no vested interest. I am happy that Scotland voted No.
I do not really understand the point you are making.
I was just interested in the figures behind the argument that Scotland is effectively subsidised. If the figures on the BBC site are true (and assuming that there are no other significant factors involved), it seems that Scotland is the one subsidising the UK."
My point is its a Union,Scotland is England and vice versa , in this Uk union everyone subsidises someone else one way or another.If for example England took Oil out of her waters would it be good reason to ditch Scotland and Wales/NI Only the greedy thinking of themselves and the secretarian areas voted yes,now if they dont like being under Westminster rule there is plenty of room in Ireland for you as most of the Irish are in England with Half the Scots!
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"I knew they would bottle it at the last moment !Only a complete moron could come out with that"
So why was the yes vote so strong until the actual vote. They realized it was better to stay 
i did post my original comment a few days before the poll |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is this the end for Salmand?
He came out with some pretty harsh stuff during the campaigning."
His party are not to happy with him see him retiring from politics " bitter and twisted man" like all politicians he promised and never delivered.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's all kicking off in Glasgow right now. Two stabbings. One in George square one in Buchanan street. Thugs disguised as no voters clad in Union jacks are making nazi salutes and singing rule britianna while at attacking people with scottish flags. It's really sad it's ended like this. The police seem to have lost control. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"It's all kicking off in Glasgow right now. Two stabbings. One in George square one in Buchanan street. Thugs disguised as no voters clad in Union jacks are making nazi salutes and singing rule britianna while at attacking people with scottish flags. It's really sad it's ended like this. The police seem to have lost control. "
That's awful! I feared the divisions would be difficult to heal but I didn't expect thuggish violence.
So democracy and the right to determine a future as long as it goes the way you want it to go?
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By (user no longer on site)
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I really hope people don't believe these idiots kicking off trouble represent majority of no voters. No was known as the silent majority for a reason. As for attacking anyone with a soltire they forget it's Scotland flag not the yes campaigns so anyone Scottish is entitled to display it. What I don't understand Is the yes voters who went knowing no would be there and thought nothing would go wrong. Nieve but then that describes many uninformed yes voters |
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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago
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"It's all kicking off in Glasgow right now. Two stabbings. One in George square one in Buchanan street. Thugs disguised as no voters clad in Union jacks are making nazi salutes and singing rule britianna while at attacking people with scottish flags. It's really sad it's ended like this. The police seem to have lost control. "
Really? How sad for both sides  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Did you see the sky reporter being effectively manhandled by Nic Sturgeons Yes minders.."
The yes mob we're present in large numbers bullying everyone they could....didn't work tho. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Unrest in Glasgow, yes voters demanding recounts and claiming widespread electoral fraud based on heavily out of context mobile phone videos. It's all going wrong as many predicted. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"It's all kicking off in Glasgow right now. Two stabbings. One in George square one in Buchanan street. Thugs disguised as no voters clad in Union jacks are making nazi salutes and singing rule britianna while at attacking people with scottish flags. It's really sad it's ended like this. The police seem to have lost control. "
Not sure what the true story is here - the BBC website says the stabbing a were reported on social media sites (no doubt twatter and bookface) - but police have no knowledge and nothing has been reported to them or other emergency services.
Could just be shit stirring by both sides online.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's all kicking off in Glasgow right now. Two stabbings. One in George square one in Buchanan street. Thugs disguised as no voters clad in Union jacks are making nazi salutes and singing rule britianna while at attacking people with scottish flags. It's really sad it's ended like this. The police seem to have lost control.
That's awful! I feared the divisions would be difficult to heal but I didn't expect thuggish violence.
So democracy and the right to determine a future as long as it goes the way you want it to go?
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it did go their way, imagine the reaction if hadnt !! |
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"It's all kicking off in Glasgow right now. Two stabbings. One in George square one in Buchanan street. Thugs disguised as no voters clad in Union jacks are making nazi salutes and singing rule britianna while at attacking people with scottish flags. It's really sad it's ended like this. The police seem to have lost control. "
sounds like a typical Friday night
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"That is interesting. The No campaign did keep referring to the greater spending per Scottish head. I wondered if there were any specific figures compared with revenue raised per head. The good old BBC has them here - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24866266 - and if they are correct it appears that they generate much more than we do when oil and gas revenue is taken into account. The difference in per head spending should be much more to even it up. So it does seem that Scotland is losing out."
The persistence of average per capita public expenditure is lower in England than elsewhere•
Northern Ireland £9,385
•Scotland £8,623
•Wales £8,139
•England £7,121
Have a look online the figures are there to be seen.
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By *MD47Man
over a year ago
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"Its a damn shame its come down to mindless violence on both sides!! Hope all this unrests calms down! "
Its very limited and a small group. Its not like its right acorss the country (thank god). |
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"That is interesting. The No campaign did keep referring to the greater spending per Scottish head. I wondered if there were any specific figures compared with revenue raised per head. The good old BBC has them here - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24866266 - and if they are correct it appears that they generate much more than we do when oil and gas revenue is taken into account. The difference in per head spending should be much more to even it up. So it does seem that Scotland is losing out.
The persistence of average per capita public expenditure is lower in England than elsewhere•
Northern Ireland £9,385
•Scotland £8,623
•Wales £8,139
•England £7,121
Have a look online the figures are there to be seen.
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As much as i appreciate that many people in England get upset at seeing figures like this there are many factors which affect the costs of providing public services.
one way in which England benefits is having a higher population which leads to the overheads of providing services being spread among more people giving greater economies of scale, this has the effect of reducing the average expenditure per person.
There are many ways to interpret and explain figures/stats and it often suits people in positions of power to keep us focussed on being angry at each other to take focus away from them, divide and conquer its been effective throughout history. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"That is interesting. The No campaign did keep referring to the greater spending per Scottish head. I wondered if there were any specific figures compared with revenue raised per head. The good old BBC has them here - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24866266 - and if they are correct it appears that they generate much more than we do when oil and gas revenue is taken into account. The difference in per head spending should be much more to even it up. So it does seem that Scotland is losing out.
The persistence of average per capita public expenditure is lower in England than elsewhere•
Northern Ireland £9,385
•Scotland £8,623
•Wales £8,139
•England £7,121
Have a look online the figures are there to be seen.
As much as i appreciate that many people in England get upset at seeing figures like this there are many factors which affect the costs of providing public services.
one way in which England benefits is having a higher population which leads to the overheads of providing services being spread among more people giving greater economies of scale, this has the effect of reducing the average expenditure per person.
There are many ways to interpret and explain figures/stats and it often suits people in positions of power to keep us focussed on being angry at each other to take focus away from them, divide and conquer its been effective throughout history."
Looking a straight set of numbers tells you very little.
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We are so glad the voting is over, it has led to a clear unambiguous result and we can get back to taking the piss out of each other! I'm a Scot in England with a Welsh gf in England and I was dreading losing part of my history (all of our history). We are so much better together and need to stop being parochial and get on with enjoying the Rugby, Football, etc and be proud of where we come from without trying to be narrowly nationalistic. I'm proud to be Scottish first, British second and European third. If asked in Europe, i'm British, if asked in Britain, I'm Scottish. But my nationality is British and I'm proud of it.
I just hope after a few days people calm down and recognise a decision was made and it should be honoured..., i'm hopeful |
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"all those votes cast and nothing has changed , westminster will decide if we are to get any new powers , westminster will decide what piss poor new powers we get , westminster will decide when we might possably get any new powers , wonder how thats going to go with a westminster election not too far off ?"
If Conservatives, Labour, and Lib dems don't deliver now on the promises they made to scotland i think there will be public uproar in scotland from all sides of the yes and no vote. Maybe in England, Wales and Northern Ireland too?
I'm sick of seeing broken promises from the Tories, Labour and the Lib dems over the years, i think that is why there has been such low turn out in european and general elections, people are disillusioned with politics. This may now change with the referendum if they stick to the promises they made...but if they don't then i hope the good people of all the United Kingdom will give the Conservative/Labour/Lib dem mainstream a good kicking at the general election by voting Green party if you're on the left or UKIP if you are on the right. No more lies or broken promises from westminster, people won't stand for it anymore! |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"The next vote will be in 30yrs plus, the oil will be gone and I am sure the conservatives will do their best to help you leave then. "
The oil will be gone and so will I.
If I may I'd offer this advice to the proponents of independence before the next referendum.
Promise to dump the Monarchy.
Forget the 'keeping the £' nonsense.
Set a date for a Scottish Parliament election within 3 months of the referendum and a Presidential election a year after. |
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"Fuck scotland n their poxy independence!!! I say the rest of the union has a vote on if we want to allow scotland to be part of great britain now!!!!!"
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"all those votes cast and nothing has changed , westminster will decide if we are to get any new powers , westminster will decide what piss poor new powers we get , westminster will decide when we might possably get any new powers , wonder how thats going to go with a westminster election not too far off ?
If Conservatives, Labour, and Lib dems don't deliver now on the promises they made to scotland i think there will be public uproar in scotland from all sides of the yes and no vote. Maybe in England, Wales and Northern Ireland too?
I'm sick of seeing broken promises from the Tories, Labour and the Lib dems over the years, i think that is why there has been such low turn out in european and general elections, people are disillusioned with politics. This may now change with the referendum if they stick to the promises they made...but if they don't then i hope the good people of all the United Kingdom will give the Conservative/Labour/Lib dem mainstream a good kicking at the general election by voting Green party if you're on the left or UKIP if you are on the right. No more lies or broken promises from westminster, people won't stand for it anymore!"
Why would anyone except for a loonie vote for the green party |
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"all those votes cast and nothing has changed , westminster will decide if we are to get any new powers , westminster will decide what piss poor new powers we get , westminster will decide when we might possably get any new powers , wonder how thats going to go with a westminster election not too far off ?
If Conservatives, Labour, and Lib dems don't deliver now on the promises they made to scotland i think there will be public uproar in scotland from all sides of the yes and no vote. Maybe in England, Wales and Northern Ireland too?
I'm sick of seeing broken promises from the Tories, Labour and the Lib dems over the years, i think that is why there has been such low turn out in european and general elections, people are disillusioned with politics. This may now change with the referendum if they stick to the promises they made...but if they don't then i hope the good people of all the United Kingdom will give the Conservative/Labour/Lib dem mainstream a good kicking at the general election by voting Green party if you're on the left or UKIP if you are on the right. No more lies or broken promises from westminster, people won't stand for it anymore!
Why would anyone except for a loonie vote for the green party"
Vote for anyone you like as long as its not Conservative/Labour/Lib dem if they don't keep their promises.....Green party, UKIP, Plaid Cymru, SNP, Respect, Monster raving looney party, .... take your pick? |
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"all those votes cast and nothing has changed , westminster will decide if we are to get any new powers , westminster will decide what piss poor new powers we get , westminster will decide when we might possably get any new powers , wonder how thats going to go with a westminster election not too far off ?
If Conservatives, Labour, and Lib dems don't deliver now on the promises they made to scotland i think there will be public uproar in scotland from all sides of the yes and no vote. Maybe in England, Wales and Northern Ireland too?
I'm sick of seeing broken promises from the Tories, Labour and the Lib dems over the years, i think that is why there has been such low turn out in european and general elections, people are disillusioned with politics. This may now change with the referendum if they stick to the promises they made...but if they don't then i hope the good people of all the United Kingdom will give the Conservative/Labour/Lib dem mainstream a good kicking at the general election by voting Green party if you're on the left or UKIP if you are on the right. No more lies or broken promises from westminster, people won't stand for it anymore!
Why would anyone except for a loonie vote for the green party
Vote for anyone you like as long as its not Conservative/Labour/Lib dem if they don't keep their promises.....Green party, UKIP, Plaid Cymru, SNP, Respect, Monster raving looney party, .... take your pick?"
i want to stand for parliament, under the banner: billy barty's arty farty smarty party 
can i count on your vote |
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"all those votes cast and nothing has changed , westminster will decide if we are to get any new powers , westminster will decide what piss poor new powers we get , westminster will decide when we might possably get any new powers , wonder how thats going to go with a westminster election not too far off ?
If Conservatives, Labour, and Lib dems don't deliver now on the promises they made to scotland i think there will be public uproar in scotland from all sides of the yes and no vote. Maybe in England, Wales and Northern Ireland too?
I'm sick of seeing broken promises from the Tories, Labour and the Lib dems over the years, i think that is why there has been such low turn out in european and general elections, people are disillusioned with politics. This may now change with the referendum if they stick to the promises they made...but if they don't then i hope the good people of all the United Kingdom will give the Conservative/Labour/Lib dem mainstream a good kicking at the general election by voting Green party if you're on the left or UKIP if you are on the right. No more lies or broken promises from westminster, people won't stand for it anymore!
Why would anyone except for a loonie vote for the green party
Vote for anyone you like as long as its not Conservative/Labour/Lib dem if they don't keep their promises.....Green party, UKIP, Plaid Cymru, SNP, Respect, Monster raving looney party, .... take your pick?
i want to stand for parliament, under the banner: billy barty's arty farty smarty party
can i count on your vote "
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"all those votes cast and nothing has changed , westminster will decide if we are to get any new powers , westminster will decide what piss poor new powers we get , westminster will decide when we might possably get any new powers , wonder how thats going to go with a westminster election not too far off ?
If Conservatives, Labour, and Lib dems don't deliver now on the promises they made to scotland i think there will be public uproar in scotland from all sides of the yes and no vote. Maybe in England, Wales and Northern Ireland too?
I'm sick of seeing broken promises from the Tories, Labour and the Lib dems over the years, i think that is why there has been such low turn out in european and general elections, people are disillusioned with politics. This may now change with the referendum if they stick to the promises they made...but if they don't then i hope the good people of all the United Kingdom will give the Conservative/Labour/Lib dem mainstream a good kicking at the general election by voting Green party if you're on the left or UKIP if you are on the right. No more lies or broken promises from westminster, people won't stand for it anymore!
Why would anyone except for a loonie vote for the green party
Vote for anyone you like as long as its not Conservative/Labour/Lib dem if they don't keep their promises.....Green party, UKIP, Plaid Cymru, SNP, Respect, Monster raving looney party, .... take your pick?
i want to stand for parliament, under the banner: billy barty's arty farty smarty party
can i count on your vote
No, i'll be voting UKIP. "
fuck it then, im going after independence, welcome to the peoples republic of Binorovia |
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"all those votes cast and nothing has changed , westminster will decide if we are to get any new powers , westminster will decide what piss poor new powers we get , westminster will decide when we might possably get any new powers , wonder how thats going to go with a westminster election not too far off ?
If Conservatives, Labour, and Lib dems don't deliver now on the promises they made to scotland i think there will be public uproar in scotland from all sides of the yes and no vote. Maybe in England, Wales and Northern Ireland too?
I'm sick of seeing broken promises from the Tories, Labour and the Lib dems over the years, i think that is why there has been such low turn out in european and general elections, people are disillusioned with politics. This may now change with the referendum if they stick to the promises they made...but if they don't then i hope the good people of all the United Kingdom will give the Conservative/Labour/Lib dem mainstream a good kicking at the general election by voting Green party if you're on the left or UKIP if you are on the right. No more lies or broken promises from westminster, people won't stand for it anymore!
Why would anyone except for a loonie vote for the green party
Vote for anyone you like as long as its not Conservative/Labour/Lib dem if they don't keep their promises.....Green party, UKIP, Plaid Cymru, SNP, Respect, Monster raving looney party, .... take your pick?"
So the Green Party, UKIP, Plaid Cymru, SNP, Respect, etc etc all keep their promises do they? How do you know when they have never been and are never likely to get any power |
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Ever since the result was finalised yesterday morning, my FB and Twitter timelines have been awash with Yes propaganda about vote rigging based on a couple of short dodgy videos, and online petitions calling for a re-run. Not to mention one meme saying they've already voted to not give the Scots anything. Given that it's a Saturday quite how that could have happened I don't know, but the fact that it's been shared shows that the morons are prepared to believe anything on social media.
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I'm sure I read somewhere that if Scotland got the "Yes" vote, then the Shetland Islands were going to break away on their own. They say the oil fields are in their waters.
Might have dreamed this though |
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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm sure I read somewhere that if Scotland got the "Yes" vote, then the Shetland Islands were going to break away on their own. They say the oil fields are in their waters.
Might have dreamed this though "
No you didnt dream, I saw it too. Also saw their MSP being interviewed during Results night - he said something along the lines of 'they would be entitled to consider the option for self-determination if it was a Yes result' or something like that.... |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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The motion to be laid before Parliament reads
“That this House welcomes the result of the Scottish independence referendum and the decision of the people of Scotland to remain part of the United Kingdom; recognises that people across Scotland voted? for a Union based on the pooling and sharing of resources and for the? continuation of devolution inside the United Kingdom; notes the statement by the Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition regarding the guarantee of and timetable for further devolution to Scotland; calls on the Government to lay before Parliament a Command Paper including the proposals of all three UK political parties by 30th October and to consult widely with the Scottish people, civic Scotland and the Scottish Parliament on these proposals; further calls on the Government to publish heads of agreement by the end of November and draft clauses for the new Scotland Bill by the end of January 2015."
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"The motion to be laid before Parliament reads
“That this House welcomes the result of the Scottish independence referendum and the decision of the people of Scotland to remain part of the United Kingdom; recognises that people across Scotland voted? for a Union based on the pooling and sharing of resources and for the? continuation of devolution inside the United Kingdom; notes the statement by the Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition regarding the guarantee of and timetable for further devolution to Scotland; calls on the Government to lay before Parliament a Command Paper including the proposals of all three UK political parties by 30th October and to consult widely with the Scottish people, civic Scotland and the Scottish Parliament on these proposals; further calls on the Government to publish heads of agreement by the end of November and draft clauses for the new Scotland Bill by the end of January 2015."
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It would appear that the disgruntled Yes campaign feels this isn't fast enough. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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I said it would all start up again on 20th and I see now that Salmond is saying "no" voters were tricked by the vow.
With Sturgeon in the running as the new SNP leader we're in for more talk of independence.
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I think the promises made by both sides were wilder than my best fantasies - but actually the referendum result is going to lead to change. I would rather we did the right thing slightly slower than the wrong thing rapidly... |
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over a year ago
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"I think the promises made by both sides were wilder than my best fantasies - but actually the referendum result is going to lead to change. I would rather we did the right thing slightly slower than the wrong thing rapidly..."
I agree with that.
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"I think the promises made by both sides were wilder than my best fantasies - but actually the referendum result is going to lead to change. I would rather we did the right thing slightly slower than the wrong thing rapidly..."
i already hear the chanting at the next rally ....
What do we want?
Gradual change
When do we want it?
In due course |
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"I think the promises made by both sides were wilder than my best fantasies - but actually the referendum result is going to lead to change. I would rather we did the right thing slightly slower than the wrong thing rapidly...
i already hear the chanting at the next rally ....
What do we want?
Gradual change
When do we want it?
In due course"
Brilliant!! |
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To be saying, not 2 days after the result, that they've been tricked and nothing is going to happen is just the Yes's very own brand of scaremongering and shows just how unrealistic they were being in their expectations. |
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"I think the promises made by both sides were wilder than my best fantasies - but actually the referendum result is going to lead to change. I would rather we did the right thing slightly slower than the wrong thing rapidly...
I agree with that.
ditto..
in the grand scheme of things getting it as near right as one can to satisfy the majority is better than knee jerk get it sorted before the election legislation..
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"I think the promises made by both sides were wilder than my best fantasies - but actually the referendum result is going to lead to change. I would rather we did the right thing slightly slower than the wrong thing rapidly..."
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"To be saying, not 2 days after the result, that they've been tricked and nothing is going to happen is just the Yes's very own brand of scaremongering and shows just how unrealistic they were being in their expectations. "
And to be demanding a recount now and a rerun in 3 years demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of the Edinburgh Agreement. |
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