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" Hurrah!! My cunning plan worked. Can you rub mine out please?!
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" Hurrah!! My cunning plan worked. Can you rub mine out please?!
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"..... p.s cracking speech by gordon brown at the last no rally.... best british political speech I have heard in years... boy had 3 shredded wheat this morning!!!! if no wins.. I think he has to get a lot of credit" Gordon is an exceptional speaker and a better politician than many people give him credit for. | |||
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"I honestly hope they decide to stay..... I think we are better as a larger country and embrace the differences.... but if the "turkeys do decide to vote for christmas" (its an analogy before anyone decides to take offence) then I think the rest of the UK then have to act in their own best interest... and that starts with no currency union to prop them up.... p.s cracking speech by gordon brown at the last no rally.... best british political speech I have heard in years... boy had 3 shredded wheat this morning!!!! if no wins.. I think he has to get a lot of credit" Agreed, if we get a say on currency, and the Scots have voted to go, then the _iew from us is sort your own currency and don't expect our Bank of England to underwrite your financial system. Similarly, with an ageing population, fewer people being born and fewer people of working (tax paying) age good luck with the long term sustainability of the pension and healthcare provision Salmond is promising. One very sad statistic is that pension provision costs for the scots is offset by the fact that they die younger, on average. Home of the deep fried Mar Bar eh. Also, before the oil runs out, which it will one day, if the price fluctuates too much then it cocks up Salmond's white paper finance projections because he's staked so much on the revenue from it. He's definitely an independence first, sort the details out afterwards. If they go, they're on their own. They could always as disgruntled Islamic State fighters to go and work there I suppose. | |||
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"..... p.s cracking speech by gordon brown at the last no rally.... best british political speech I have heard in years... boy had 3 shredded wheat this morning!!!! if no wins.. I think he has to get a lot of credit Gordon is an exceptional speaker and a better politician than many people give him credit for." Have to agree with you on this one. Although my own political _iews are not Labour. I thought he tried his hardest when he became PM, he had a very difficult task considering the mess Tony Fucking Blair left him with. And to all the Scots. I hope you vote with your head and not with your hearts. | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes " There is far more to it than just Trident or the nuclear issue. Anyway, if you worked at Faslane, or otherwise depended on the base you may think differently, Scottish or not. | |||
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"..... p.s cracking speech by gordon brown at the last no rally.... best british political speech I have heard in years... boy had 3 shredded wheat this morning!!!! if no wins.. I think he has to get a lot of credit Gordon is an exceptional speaker and a better politician than many people give him credit for." yup , he did an exceptional job of selling off all the souths gold at bargin basement prices , that made me laugh | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes " love this nuclear free zone stuff, certain boroughs in London used to have signs up saying similar.. and what about the jobs that are dependent on the base..? suppose they will bask in the sun of a new land as they trek to look for work.. | |||
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" Good luck Scotland... and when you vote YES, please bring Cumbria and Northumberland with you!
"leave the north east out of this... if scotland decide to go.. it could have a huge impact on the north east and jobs.... | |||
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" Good luck Scotland... and when you vote YES, please bring Cumbria and Northumberland with you!
leave the north east out of this... if scotland decide to go.. it could have a huge impact on the north east and jobs...."why leave out the north east ? if you are from there and involving yourself in the referendum whats wrong with the rest of the area having a position ? | |||
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"A YES vote will obviously free Scotland to make its own decisions and allow its people greater representation in the EU and at the UN. An independent Scotland won't be part of the UN or EU. They will have to apply for membership and wait, a long time. There will also be conditions attached to joining the EU. As for the assertion that Westminster will not honour it's promises (there is tri-party agreement on it) Salmond has to pay for his too, forever. He might just have got his maths spectacularly wrong. " do you remember cleggies promise on tuition fees ? | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes There is far more to it than just Trident or the nuclear issue. Anyway, if you worked at Faslane, or otherwise depended on the base you may think differently, Scottish or not." don't think i would put work before my children if you would no wonder that the people of Scotland want away from you | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes There is far more to it than just Trident or the nuclear issue. Anyway, if you worked at Faslane, or otherwise depended on the base you may think differently, Scottish or not.don't think i would put work before my children if you would no wonder that the people of Scotland want away from you " Perhaps you should ask someone who works at Faslane what they think about your opinions and desire to see them out of a job. | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes There is far more to it than just Trident or the nuclear issue. Anyway, if you worked at Faslane, or otherwise depended on the base you may think differently, Scottish or not.don't think i would put work before my children if you would no wonder that the people of Scotland want away from you " All I said was, if your were a Faslane worker, then the opinion might be different from yours. Or would they too be 'Tory mouthpieces'? | |||
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"..... p.s cracking speech by gordon brown at the last no rally.... best british political speech I have heard in years... boy had 3 shredded wheat this morning!!!! if no wins.. I think he has to get a lot of credit Gordon is an exceptional speaker and a better politician than many people give him credit for. Have to agree with you on this one. Although my own political _iews are not Labour. I thought he tried his hardest when he became PM, he had a very difficult task considering the mess Tony Fucking Blair left him with. And to all the Scots. I hope you vote with your head and not with your hearts." I like most scots I know are voting with my head and its YES | |||
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"..... p.s cracking speech by gordon brown at the last no rally.... best british political speech I have heard in years... boy had 3 shredded wheat this morning!!!! if no wins.. I think he has to get a lot of credit Gordon is an exceptional speaker and a better politician than many people give him credit for. Have to agree with you on this one. Although my own political _iews are not Labour. I thought he tried his hardest when he became PM, he had a very difficult task considering the mess Tony Fucking Blair left him with. And to all the Scots. I hope you vote with your head and not with your hearts. I like most scots I know are voting with my head and its YES" Like most Scots you know or listen to you mean. The polls suggest otherwise. Whichever way it goes, looks like being a narrow result. | |||
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"Also interesting is: '.....the people of Scotland'. No one, including Salmond, speaks for all of them. So to say no wonder they want away is just stupid." that's just your opinion the same as us getting away is mine and thousands more.will have to wait until tomorrow to see.but we thought for tomorrow.goodbye.vote yes | |||
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"Also interesting is: '.....the people of Scotland'. No one, including Salmond, speaks for all of them. So to say no wonder they want away is just stupid.that's just your opinion the same as us getting away is mine and thousands more.will have to wait until tomorrow to see.but we thought for tomorrow.goodbye.vote yes " So it's just 'my _iew' that people have differing opinions on the referendum issue? So let's get this right, everyone thinks the same as you? Or Salmond? Funny that, just saw a 'no group' inter_iewed on TV. Unless they were 'staged' looked pretty much like they didn't agree with you - so that's not everyone is it. | |||
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"What is this English plea that we vote with our heads n not our hearts,,for fucks sake its not a game of football. all the people of Scotland yes or no will vote with our heads. YES!" Think the thing is there's a lot of unanswered questions, that need to be thought about. Independence is a leap. | |||
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"What is this English plea that we vote with our heads n not our hearts,,for fucks sake its not a game of football. all the people of Scotland yes or no will vote with our heads. YES! Think the thing is there's a lot of unanswered questions, that need to be thought about. Independence is a leap." w,e,ve had 300 years to think about it not just the last 2 years. I think you,ll find most people living in Scotland are far more educated in the political debate than people down south imagine. its like we,re a foreign country already, so many people down south know very little of scotland and the scots mentality. And PLEASE would so many of you stop seeing the yes campaign as anti English,IT IS NOT! | |||
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"An independent Scotland won't be part of the UN or EU. They will have to apply for membership and wait, a long time. There will also be conditions attached to joining the EU. As for the assertion that Westminster will not honour it's promises (there is tri-party agreement on it) Salmond has to pay for his too, forever. He might just have got his maths spectacularly wrong. " An independent Scotland would find a seat at the UN quickly and without any issue at all, just as every other new state has (with the possible exception of Palestine, which was obstructed for a time by the US and Israel). Similarly, Scotland would qualify for membership of NATO if it so chose, as has been confirmed by numerous sources within NATO and it would be inconceivable that an NATO member state would find itself without a seat at the UN. Despite what might be punted by various overstated sources, which have been given undue gravitas by the Better Together campaign, Scotland will not have any real difficulty joining the EU. Indeed, in the event of the UK leaving the EU, as may happen following the referendum planned in a couple of years, a YES vote may be Scotland's best option for retaining long term EU membership. As for the "promises" made by the three party leaders in their "pledge" - there are no promises - there is not a single stated promise other than something vague might be shoved Scotland's way if it votes no. Trust me, I've looked and looked (as have many others) and there is nothing at all binding about it... not a jot. | |||
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"What is this English plea that we vote with our heads n not our hearts,,for fucks sake its not a game of football. all the people of Scotland yes or no will vote with our heads. YES! Think the thing is there's a lot of unanswered questions, that need to be thought about. Independence is a leap. w,e,ve had 300 years to think about it not just the last 2 years. I think you,ll find most people living in Scotland are far more educated in the political debate than people down south imagine. its like we,re a foreign country already, so many people down south know very little of scotland and the scots mentality. And PLEASE would so many of you stop seeing the yes campaign as anti English,IT IS NOT!" Errr, some of the things I hear at work on a daily basis would suggest otherwise. The ethos of the campaign as a whole may not be, but there is a hardcore SNP that are very anti-English. | |||
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" Scotland will not have any real difficulty joining the EU. " not what the spanish prime minister said this morning..... “It’s clear, as is explained in the treaties and has been demonstrated more than once by EU leaders, that if one part of a state separates, it converts itself into a third territory with respect to the European Community,” said Rajoy. He noted that “they can ask to be integrated”, but warned that it would “open a process that could take years. In the case of Spain it took eight years.” His remarks came in response to a question put to him by MP Aitor Esteban, from the Basque Nationalist Party: “If the yes campaign wins tomorrow’s Scottish referendum, will your government facilitate the integration of Scotland in the European Union?” Rajoy said that he had spoken with representatives from the 28 countries in the EU. “Everyone in Europe thinks that these processes are tremendously negative because they generate economic recessions and more poverty for everyone.” He added they act like a “torpedo to the vulnerabilities of the EU, which was created to integrate states, not to separate them. Strong states are what’s needed today.” | |||
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"What is this English plea that we vote with our heads n not our hearts,,for fucks sake its not a game of football. all the people of Scotland yes or no will vote with our heads. YES! Think the thing is there's a lot of unanswered questions, that need to be thought about. Independence is a leap. w,e,ve had 300 years to think about it not just the last 2 years. I think you,ll find most people living in Scotland are far more educated in the political debate than people down south imagine. its like we,re a foreign country already, so many people down south know very little of scotland and the scots mentality. And PLEASE would so many of you stop seeing the yes campaign as anti English,IT IS NOT! Errr, some of the things I hear at work on a daily basis would suggest otherwise. The ethos of the campaign as a whole may not be, but there is a hardcore SNP that are very anti-English. " that's crap and you know it the snp for instance has thousands of English members and voters. ofcourse theres always gonna be some kilted braveheart types but one could say theres more animosity from down south there certainly is on this site | |||
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"What is this English plea that we vote with our heads n not our hearts,,for fucks sake its not a game of football. all the people of Scotland yes or no will vote with our heads. YES! Think the thing is there's a lot of unanswered questions, that need to be thought about. Independence is a leap. w,e,ve had 300 years to think about it not just the last 2 years. I think you,ll find most people living in Scotland are far more educated in the political debate than people down south imagine. its like we,re a foreign country already, so many people down south know very little of scotland and the scots mentality. And PLEASE would so many of you stop seeing the yes campaign as anti English,IT IS NOT! Errr, some of the things I hear at work on a daily basis would suggest otherwise. The ethos of the campaign as a whole may not be, but there is a hardcore SNP that are very anti-English. that's crap and you know it the snp for instance has thousands of English members and voters. ofcourse theres always gonna be some kilted braveheart types but one could say theres more animosity from down south there certainly is on this site" I agree | |||
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"An independent Scotland won't be part of the UN or EU. They will have to apply for membership and wait, a long time. There will also be conditions attached to joining the EU. As for the assertion that Westminster will not honour it's promises (there is tri-party agreement on it) Salmond has to pay for his too, forever. He might just have got his maths spectacularly wrong. An independent Scotland would find a seat at the UN quickly and without any issue at all, just as every other new state has (with the possible exception of Palestine, which was obstructed for a time by the US and Israel). Similarly, Scotland would qualify for membership of NATO if it so chose, as has been confirmed by numerous sources within NATO and it would be inconceivable that an NATO member state would find itself without a seat at the UN. Despite what might be punted by various overstated sources, which have been given undue gravitas by the Better Together campaign, Scotland will not have any real difficulty joining the EU. Indeed, in the event of the UK leaving the EU, as may happen following the referendum planned in a couple of years, a YES vote may be Scotland's best option for retaining long term EU membership. As for the "promises" made by the three party leaders in their "pledge" - there are no promises - there is not a single stated promise other than something vague might be shoved Scotland's way if it votes no. Trust me, I've looked and looked (as have many others) and there is nothing at all binding about it... not a jot. " I don't think anyone has said that Scotland will just breeze into the EU either. It's more likely that it will get in after many years of negotiation, certainly not before the proposed date of independence. And seeing that a lot of the theoretical finances in the white paper hinge on both currency union and EU membership then that is a very big monetary gap to fill from somewhere. Borrowing probably, on top of the borrowing they'll have to do to set up an independent country. The white paper is just as hollow a promise as anything said by Westminster. The difference being you don't have to gamble with 5 million peoples livelihoods to find out which is true if you vote No. | |||
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"What is this English plea that we vote with our heads n not our hearts,,for fucks sake its not a game of football. all the people of Scotland yes or no will vote with our heads. YES! Think the thing is there's a lot of unanswered questions, that need to be thought about. Independence is a leap. w,e,ve had 300 years to think about it not just the last 2 years. I think you,ll find most people living in Scotland are far more educated in the political debate than people down south imagine. its like we,re a foreign country already, so many people down south know very little of scotland and the scots mentality. And PLEASE would so many of you stop seeing the yes campaign as anti English,IT IS NOT! Errr, some of the things I hear at work on a daily basis would suggest otherwise. The ethos of the campaign as a whole may not be, but there is a hardcore SNP that are very anti-English. that's crap and you know it the snp for instance has thousands of English members and voters. ofcourse theres always gonna be some kilted braveheart types but one could say theres more animosity from down south there certainly is on this site" How can you say it's crap? I've just told you that there are guys at work here who actively dislike the English. They've given me grief for coming up here taking a job from them! | |||
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"What is this English plea that we vote with our heads n not our hearts,,for fucks sake its not a game of football. all the people of Scotland yes or no will vote with our heads. YES! Think the thing is there's a lot of unanswered questions, that need to be thought about. Independence is a leap. w,e,ve had 300 years to think about it not just the last 2 years. I think you,ll find most people living in Scotland are far more educated in the political debate than people down south imagine. its like we,re a foreign country already, so many people down south know very little of scotland and the scots mentality. And PLEASE would so many of you stop seeing the yes campaign as anti English,IT IS NOT! Errr, some of the things I hear at work on a daily basis would suggest otherwise. The ethos of the campaign as a whole may not be, but there is a hardcore SNP that are very anti-English. that's crap and you know it the snp for instance has thousands of English members and voters. ofcourse theres always gonna be some kilted braveheart types but one could say theres more animosity from down south there certainly is on this site How can you say it's crap? I've just told you that there are guys at work here who actively dislike the English. They've given me grief for coming up here taking a job from them! " If their being racist report it to the police, I would,,but don't acuse the snp of that it just not true | |||
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"Well I know they're SNP voters, and if there are two like that here then the probability is that there are more elsewhere. And you get a hardcore in every party. Water off a ducks back to me. I just said "if any of you were any good at it I wouldn't have got the job". As that had more than 2 words in it they didn't know how to reply. "well the level of anti Scottish crap on this site is a disgrace | |||
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"And PLEASE would so many of you stop seeing the yes campaign as anti English, IT IS NOT! Errr, some of the things I hear at work on a daily basis would suggest otherwise. The ethos of the campaign as a whole may not be, but there is a hardcore SNP that are very anti-English. that's crap and you know it the snp for instance has thousands of English members and voters." I can confirm that I have a great many friends who are English folks living in the south of Scotland - and have for many years. The vast majority of them (if not all) support the SNP and plan to vote YES. | |||
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"And PLEASE would so many of you stop seeing the yes campaign as anti English, IT IS NOT! Errr, some of the things I hear at work on a daily basis would suggest otherwise. The ethos of the campaign as a whole may not be, but there is a hardcore SNP that are very anti-English. that's crap and you know it the snp for instance has thousands of English members and voters. I can confirm that I have a great many friends who are English folks living in the south of Scotland - and have for many years. The vast majority of them (if not all) support the SNP and plan to vote YES." Exactly its an utter myth all snp voters are England haters. Not all yes voters are snp supporters id also like to point out | |||
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"What is this English plea that we vote with our heads n not our hearts,,for fucks sake its not a game of football. all the people of Scotland yes or no will vote with our heads. YES! Think the thing is there's a lot of unanswered questions, that need to be thought about. Independence is a leap. w,e,ve had 300 years to think about it not just the last 2 years. I think you,ll find most people living in Scotland are far more educated in the political debate than people down south imagine. its like we,re a foreign country already, so many people down south know very little of scotland and the scots mentality. And PLEASE would so many of you stop seeing the yes campaign as anti English,IT IS NOT!" Well said. | |||
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" well the level of anti Scottish crap on this site is a disgrace" without getting into who said what and to whom there are anti English and there are anti Scottish.. this type of political process was bound to bring them out of the woodwork.. but would suggest they are a minority just like the racists and homophobes.. | |||
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"it is going to take a huge rebuilding after the results are out... it is going to get nastier. This "seems your determined it will | |||
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"it is going to take a huge rebuilding after the results are out... it is going to get nastier. This
seems your determined it will" yup that is my opinion, obviously your's is different and that is cool | |||
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" Scotland will not have any real difficulty joining the EU. not what the spanish prime minister said this morning..... “It’s clear, as is explained in the treaties and has been demonstrated more than once by EU leaders, that if one part of a state separates, it converts itself into a third territory with respect to the European Community,” said Rajoy. He noted that “they can ask to be integrated”, but warned that it would “open a process that could take years. In the case of Spain it took eight years.” His remarks came in response to a question put to him by MP Aitor Esteban, from the Basque Nationalist Party: “If the yes campaign wins tomorrow’s Scottish referendum, will your government facilitate the integration of Scotland in the European Union?” Rajoy said that he had spoken with representatives from the 28 countries in the EU. “Everyone in Europe thinks that these processes are tremendously negative because they generate economic recessions and more poverty for everyone.” He added they act like a “torpedo to the vulnerabilities of the EU, which was created to integrate states, not to separate them. Strong states are what’s needed today.”" I also believe Scotland would have little difficulty joining the EU. The Spanish _iew is tainted by their own domestic situation. The Scottish situation on a 'yes' vote is without precedent. The biggest threat to Scotland remaining in Europe is an increasingly euro-sceptic Britain. UKIP has every chance of holding the balance of power in a Westminster coalition. | |||
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" well the level of anti Scottish crap on this site is a disgrace without getting into who said what and to whom there are anti English and there are anti Scottish.. this type of political process was bound to bring them out of the woodwork.. but would suggest they are a minority just like the racists and homophobes.. " Well said. | |||
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" Scotland will not have any real difficulty joining the EU. not what the spanish prime minister said this morning..... “It’s clear, as is explained in the treaties and has been demonstrated more than once by EU leaders, that if one part of a state separates, it converts itself into a third territory with respect to the European Community,” said Rajoy. He noted that “they can ask to be integrated”, but warned that it would “open a process that could take years. In the case of Spain it took eight years.” His remarks came in response to a question put to him by MP Aitor Esteban, from the Basque Nationalist Party: “If the yes campaign wins tomorrow’s Scottish referendum, will your government facilitate the integration of Scotland in the European Union?” Rajoy said that he had spoken with representatives from the 28 countries in the EU. “Everyone in Europe thinks that these processes are tremendously negative because they generate economic recessions and more poverty for everyone.” He added they act like a “torpedo to the vulnerabilities of the EU, which was created to integrate states, not to separate them. Strong states are what’s needed today.” I also believe Scotland would have little difficulty joining the EU. The Spanish _iew is tainted by their own domestic situation. The Scottish situation on a 'yes' vote is without precedent. The biggest threat to Scotland remaining in Europe is an increasingly euro-sceptic Britain. UKIP has every chance of holding the balance of power in a Westminster coalition. " | |||
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"What is this English plea that we vote with our heads n not our hearts,,for fucks sake its not a game of football. all the people of Scotland yes or no will vote with our heads. YES! Think the thing is there's a lot of unanswered questions, that need to be thought about. Independence is a leap. w,e,ve had 300 years to think about it not just the last 2 years. I think you,ll find most people living in Scotland are far more educated in the political debate than people down south imagine. its like we,re a foreign country already, so many people down south know very little of scotland and the scots mentality. And PLEASE would so many of you stop seeing the yes campaign as anti English,IT IS NOT!" So, in 300 years it's not been established what currency you'll have. Assuming it's a yes vote. Also, who said the yes campaign was anti English? The rhetoric is mostly 'anti Trident' or 'anti Westminster' which over simplifies the issue somewhat. In terms of the ill feeling, it's not even started yes. If Scotland goes independent, the divorce starts properly. Remember, NO POUND. | |||
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"What is this English plea that we vote with our heads n not our hearts,,for fucks sake its not a game of football. all the people of Scotland yes or no will vote with our heads. YES! Think the thing is there's a lot of unanswered questions, that need to be thought about. Independence is a leap. w,e,ve had 300 years to think about it not just the last 2 years. I think you,ll find most people living in Scotland are far more educated in the political debate than people down south imagine. its like we,re a foreign country already, so many people down south know very little of scotland and the scots mentality. And PLEASE would so many of you stop seeing the yes campaign as anti English,IT IS NOT! So, in 300 years it's not been established what currency you'll have. Assuming it's a yes vote. Also, who said the yes campaign was anti English? The rhetoric is mostly 'anti Trident' or 'anti Westminster' which over simplifies the issue somewhat. In terms of the ill feeling, it's not even started yes. If Scotland goes independent, the divorce starts properly. Remember, NO POUND." you cant stop us its our pound | |||
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"What is this English plea that we vote with our heads n not our hearts,,for fucks sake its not a game of football. all the people of Scotland yes or no will vote with our heads. YES! Think the thing is there's a lot of unanswered questions, that need to be thought about. Independence is a leap. w,e,ve had 300 years to think about it not just the last 2 years. I think you,ll find most people living in Scotland are far more educated in the political debate than people down south imagine. its like we,re a foreign country already, so many people down south know very little of scotland and the scots mentality. And PLEASE would so many of you stop seeing the yes campaign as anti English,IT IS NOT! So, in 300 years it's not been established what currency you'll have. Assuming it's a yes vote. Also, who said the yes campaign was anti English? The rhetoric is mostly 'anti Trident' or 'anti Westminster' which over simplifies the issue somewhat. In terms of the ill feeling, it's not even started yes. If Scotland goes independent, the divorce starts properly. Remember, NO POUND." This is part of the problem - it's not Scotland saying they don't want to share the pound - rather, this sentiment is English in origin. It's almost as though those citing it as a difficulty are unaware that Scotland used the pound prior to the union and that, today, both the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands use the pound without being in the UK. In addition, the stability of Sterling isn't what it used to be since it's no longer a "gold standard" currency - thankyou Gideon. It is quite possible that, following Scottish independence, it'll benefit from Scottish support. Of course, this perceived difficulty could disappear if Westminster decided to a little less unfriendly and share the pound - in Scotland, it's coming across as spiteful and causing resentment, boosting support for the YES campaign... once again, many south of the border don't seem to appreciate that threatening the Scots will only have the opposite effect - they won't back down but, rather, their faces will suddenly be in yours. But anyway, failing that, an independent Scotland could simply carry on with its own its own pound (eg. BoS) and pass its own legislation to link its value to Sterling, and there would be nothing at all England could do about it. | |||
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"Oh hear we go. No it isn't, it's The Bank of England's pound. They issue the currency, they're the lender of last resort, they underwrite the banking system, they set the interest rates. Scotland could unilaterally peg 'their pound' to the English pound but it would cost billions. If Scotland goes it's own way, if the rest of the UK says no you won't have the pound. Go for Euro as part of the negotiations to join that - see how far you go with that." nicely put..also, "its our pound"? Who's head is on all your coins and notes? I presume the queen..although that's a guess as I've never seen any  | |||
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"What is this English plea that we vote with our heads n not our hearts,,for fucks sake its not a game of football. all the people of Scotland yes or no will vote with our heads. YES! Think the thing is there's a lot of unanswered questions, that need to be thought about. Independence is a leap. w,e,ve had 300 years to think about it not just the last 2 years. I think you,ll find most people living in Scotland are far more educated in the political debate than people down south imagine. its like we,re a foreign country already, so many people down south know very little of scotland and the scots mentality. And PLEASE would so many of you stop seeing the yes campaign as anti English,IT IS NOT! So, in 300 years it's not been established what currency you'll have. Assuming it's a yes vote. Also, who said the yes campaign was anti English? The rhetoric is mostly 'anti Trident' or 'anti Westminster' which over simplifies the issue somewhat. In terms of the ill feeling, it's not even started yes. If Scotland goes independent, the divorce starts properly. Remember, NO POUND. This is part of the problem - it's not Scotland saying they don't want to share the pound - rather, this sentiment is English in origin. It's almost as though those citing it as a difficulty are unaware that Scotland used the pound prior to the union and that, today, both the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands use the pound without being in the UK. In addition, the stability of Sterling isn't what it used to be since it's no longer a "gold standard" currency - thankyou Gideon. It is quite possible that, following Scottish independence, it'll benefit from Scottish support. Of course, this perceived difficulty could disappear if Westminster decided to a little less unfriendly and share the pound - in Scotland, it's coming across as spiteful and causing resentment, boosting support for the YES campaign... once again, many south of the border don't seem to appreciate that threatening the Scots will only have the opposite effect - they won't back down but, rather, their faces will suddenly be in yours. But anyway, failing that, an independent Scotland could simply carry on with its own its own pound (eg. BoS) and pass its own legislation to link its value to Sterling, and there would be nothing at all England could do about it." . Carrying on with their 'own pound' means pegging a separate currency to UK sterling. Very, very different and not 'keeping the pound' at all. Means, own central bank and building up billions in currency reserves to secure the relative exchange rates. Not the same thing as: "we'll keep the pound anyway." The party leaders and the Bank of England governor have said no to the pound and no to a currency union - it's not workable. Also, loads of financial institutions will move south of the border. Whiskey makers and the odd publisher will stay - great.  | |||
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" This is part of the problem - it's not Scotland saying they don't want to share the pound - rather, this sentiment is English in origin. It's almost as though those citing it as a difficulty are unaware that Scotland used the pound prior to the union and that, today, both the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands use the pound without being in the UK. In addition, the stability of Sterling isn't what it used to be since it's no longer a "gold standard" currency - thankyou Gideon. It is quite possible that, following Scottish independence, it'll benefit from Scottish support. Of course, this perceived difficulty could disappear if Westminster decided to a little less unfriendly and share the pound - in Scotland, it's coming across as spiteful and causing resentment, boosting support for the YES campaign... once again, many south of the border don't seem to appreciate that threatening the Scots will only have the opposite effect - they won't back down but, rather, their faces will suddenly be in yours. But anyway, failing that, an independent Scotland could simply carry on with its own its own pound (eg. BoS) and pass its own legislation to link its value to Sterling, and there would be nothing at all England could do about it." several parts of your post are factually incorrect... a) you are right in that scotland did use a pound before the union....however it was the "scottish" pound..... if salmond wants to go back to using a "scottish pound" after independence... have no problems with that b) Channel islands and Isle of man do you the pound under agreement with the UK.... however that also don't set their own interest rates either!!!!! their needs are not considered when it comes to setting the rate... so why would scotland think they would be considered when it comes to the bank of englands rate... they look out for rUK best interest, so to speak... no one else
c) scotland could keep using the pound and try to link its rate to sterling... however you might just want to read up on "black wednesday" to find out why that is not a good idea and what happens if it goes wrong... and how much money is wasted trying to do it... | |||
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" This is part of the problem - it's not Scotland saying they don't want to share the pound - rather, this sentiment is English in origin. It's almost as though those citing it as a difficulty are unaware that Scotland used the pound prior to the union and that, today, both the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands use the pound without being in the UK. In addition, the stability of Sterling isn't what it used to be since it's no longer a "gold standard" currency - thankyou Gideon. It is quite possible that, following Scottish independence, it'll benefit from Scottish support. Of course, this perceived difficulty could disappear if Westminster decided to a little less unfriendly and share the pound - in Scotland, it's coming across as spiteful and causing resentment, boosting support for the YES campaign... once again, many south of the border don't seem to appreciate that threatening the Scots will only have the opposite effect - they won't back down but, rather, their faces will suddenly be in yours. But anyway, failing that, an independent Scotland could simply carry on with its own its own pound (eg. BoS) and pass its own legislation to link its value to Sterling, and there would be nothing at all England could do about it. several parts of your post are factually incorrect... a) you are right in that scotland did use a pound before the union....however it was the "scottish" pound..... if salmond wants to go back to using a "scottish pound" after independence... have no problems with that b) Channel islands and Isle of man do you the pound under agreement with the UK.... however that also don't set their own interest rates either!!!!! their needs are not considered when it comes to setting the rate... so why would scotland think they would be considered when it comes to the bank of englands rate... they look out for rUK best interest, so to speak... no one else
c) scotland could keep using the pound and try to link its rate to sterling... however you might just want to read up on "black wednesday" to find out why that is not a good idea and what happens if it goes wrong... and how much money is wasted trying to do it... " | |||
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" This is part of the problem - it's not Scotland saying they don't want to share the pound - rather, this sentiment is English in origin. It's almost as though those citing it as a difficulty are unaware that Scotland used the pound prior to the union and that, today, both the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands use the pound without being in the UK. In addition, the stability of Sterling isn't what it used to be since it's no longer a "gold standard" currency - thankyou Gideon. It is quite possible that, following Scottish independence, it'll benefit from Scottish support. Of course, this perceived difficulty could disappear if Westminster decided to a little less unfriendly and share the pound - in Scotland, it's coming across as spiteful and causing resentment, boosting support for the YES campaign... once again, many south of the border don't seem to appreciate that threatening the Scots will only have the opposite effect - they won't back down but, rather, their faces will suddenly be in yours. But anyway, failing that, an independent Scotland could simply carry on with its own its own pound (eg. BoS) and pass its own legislation to link its value to Sterling, and there would be nothing at all England could do about it. several parts of your post are factually incorrect... a) you are right in that scotland did use a pound before the union....however it was the "scottish" pound..... if salmond wants to go back to using a "scottish pound" after independence... have no problems with that b) Channel islands and Isle of man do you the pound under agreement with the UK.... however that also don't set their own interest rates either!!!!! their needs are not considered when it comes to setting the rate... so why would scotland think they would be considered when it comes to the bank of englands rate... they look out for rUK best interest, so to speak... no one else
c) scotland could keep using the pound and try to link its rate to sterling... however you might just want to read up on "black wednesday" to find out why that is not a good idea and what happens if it goes wrong... and how much money is wasted trying to do it... "Factually incorrect... let me see now... um, nope. a) "Scotland did use the pound before the union" - I'm glad we agree on that. b) "The Channel Islands and the Isle of Man do use the pound" - oh, you appear to agree with me about that too. c) "Scotland could keep using the pound and try to link its rate to sterling." - gosh, you also agree I was right about that as well. Certainly, I agree that there are problems with linking one currency to another without being able to have any say in interest rates but, in addition to the options I mentioned, there are other possibilities too if such a link becomes untenable. Okay, so where was the "factually incorrect" bit? Sure, I understand that there may be points and details on which we might have different _iews but that does not make my statements "factually incorrect"... merely "contentious" in your _iew of their application. Ergo, your statement that parts of my post were "factually incorrect" was factually incorrect. I'm sure you'll agree there is a big difference and there's no need for me to post a link to a definition of the phrase. | |||
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" Factually incorrect... let me see now... um, nope. a) "Scotland did use the pound before the union" - I'm glad we agree on that. " you seem to be having an issue.... Scotland did use a "pound"(the Scottish pound)..... not Pound Sterling.... before the union.... let me help you.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_Scots | |||
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" Factually incorrect... let me see now... um, nope. a) "Scotland did use the pound before the union" - I'm glad we agree on that. you seem to be having an issue.... Scotland did use a "pound"(the Scottish pound)..... not Pound Sterling.... before the union.... let me help you.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_Scots" Its not a difficult concept but some refuse to see it. | |||
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"Regardless of whether Scotland is better off trying to continue using £ sterling without a formal currency union, or setting up a separate Scottish currency, calling it the pound & trying to peg it to sterling is missing the point. To create a currency union you need both sides to want it. The Bank of England doesn't want it, the UK Government doesn't want it, the leaders of all the main political parties don't want it and the UK electorate (last poll 63% against, 13% for) doesn't want it. A separate Scottish currency can be called the pound - after all Egypt has a pound - but it won't be £ sterling, it wont be the Bank of England and Scotland won't have the BoE as a lender of last resort. Saying 'we can use the pound' is disingenuous at best, Scotland can use A pound but not THE pound. Why is it UK against a currency union? Simple, the UK economy is ten times the size of the Scottish economy. Therefore a currency union would be heavily unbalanced, the UK would care all the risk & Scotland get all the benefits. Why should UK taxpayers be expected to bail out a faltering Scottish economy or refund foreign (Scottish) investors? Independence is a two way street, if Scotland throws off UK control it also stands that the UK has no responsibility for an independent Scotland. Currency Union is a dead duck, why Scots separatists think it is still worth talking about I have no idea." Very well said
Salmond can huff and puff as much as he likes, but an independent Scotland will never get THE Pound.
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" Factually incorrect... let me see now... um, nope. a) "Scotland did use the pound before the union" - I'm glad we agree on that. you seem to be having an issue.... Scotland did use a "pound"(the Scottish pound)..... not Pound Sterling.... before the union.... let me help you.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_Scots" As a historical footnote, I agree with your correction. All the same, since Scotland has contributed considerably to the value and stability of the pound since 1707 (not least in the form lives lost supporting British trade and fighting for the empire upon which Britain's wealth was built) I think it's pretty crappy that those opposing Scottish independence suggest Scots have no right to expect any kind of consideration in this respect. | |||
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"..... Currency Union is a dead duck, why Scots separatists think it is still worth talking about I have no idea." They know the psychological importance of the £ Sterling (and the Monarchy). They HAVE to keep insisting it's how it's going to be, even at the cost of a humiliating climb-down when they realise rUK isn't bluffing. By that point, the damage will have been done. | |||
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"If UKIP hold the balance of power in Westminster it will be a labour government since UKIP splits the Tory vote." All the polls have shown that UKIP has taken votes from across the whole electorate. It is simply not accurate to suggest they're just disgruntled Tory voters. | |||
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"..... Currency Union is a dead duck, why Scots separatists think it is still worth talking about I have no idea. They know the psychological importance of the £ Sterling (and the Monarchy). They HAVE to keep insisting it's how it's going to be, even at the cost of a humiliating climb-down when they realise rUK isn't bluffing. By that point, the damage will have been done." I know we disagree on many things Onny, but on this one you are dead right. | |||
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"If UKIP hold the balance of power in Westminster it will be a labour government since UKIP splits the Tory vote. All the polls have shown that UKIP has taken votes from across the whole electorate. It is simply not accurate to suggest they're just disgruntled Tory voters. " Yes, but they split Tory votes and poach from Labour. The point is, they won't be part of a coalition that compels exit from Europe. | |||
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"If UKIP hold the balance of power in Westminster it will be a labour government since UKIP splits the Tory vote. All the polls have shown that UKIP has taken votes from across the whole electorate. It is simply not accurate to suggest they're just disgruntled Tory voters. " And that is also spot on. | |||
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"If UKIP hold the balance of power in Westminster it will be a labour government since UKIP splits the Tory vote. All the polls have shown that UKIP has taken votes from across the whole electorate. It is simply not accurate to suggest they're just disgruntled Tory voters. Yes, but they split Tory votes and poach from Labour. The point is, they won't be part of a coalition that compels exit from Europe." Confucius say remember old English proverb. Don't count chickens Etc. | |||
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"..... Currency Union is a dead duck, why Scots separatists think it is still worth talking about I have no idea. They know the psychological importance of the £ Sterling (and the Monarchy). They HAVE to keep insisting it's how it's going to be, even at the cost of a humiliating climb-down when they realise rUK isn't bluffing. By that point, the damage will have been done." This is what I don't understand. The referendum is the life's work of the SNP and yet they are incredibly light on detail - the detail that people need to make an informed choice. If they had costed, proposed various hard options etc I do believe they would have already carried this vote. Instead its all been "oh we'll sort it out later" to the point that post-independence people don't even know what form their paypackets will take let alone how their mortgages etc will be affected. Its incredible to see so few answers to so many very important questions. | |||
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"I like many others in england dont want separation,, but if they vote for it,, so be it. They are on their own , no favorable terms, no going back. England should put in the hardest negoistators, not give an inch. They,ve already cost this country too much and have always expected preferencial treatment . Go and be proud of indi., and face the harsh outside world. But dont expect any more from us Brits.." This is why a lot of Scots want independence. Not only do they have no way of influencing policies which affect them, such as the removal of Trident from Scottish waters and the imposition of numerous top-down policies they object to, but they have been bombarded with this sort of expression of hate and resentment ever since they dared to suggest they might be able to decide things for themselves... personally, I can't blame them for wanting to leave. If England was a well-meaning partner then it would be reasonable to expect the establishment and people of England to wish the Scots well regardless of their decision - but the post I quote, and many others too, makes it pretty clear that this isn't so. It's becoming clear that there are a great many people in England who wish Scotland ill, and express it with such vitriol that Scots can't help but think along the lines of: "Oh, so that's how you feel about us - we see now our relationship was based upon a sham - well then, it's just as well we're leaving - shame you can't bring yourselves to wish us well on our journey and maybe come along for part of the adventure". | |||
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" How can you say it's crap? I've just told you that there are guys at work here who actively dislike the English. They've given me grief for coming up here taking a job from them! " Why Did you not just tell them that the only reason they Employed you was because the couldn't find anyone Scottish to do the Job.. | |||
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"I like many others in england dont want separation,, but if they vote for it,, so be it. They are on their own , no favorable terms, no going back. England should put in the hardest negoistators, not give an inch. They,ve already cost this country too much and have always expected preferencial treatment . Go and be proud of indi., and face the harsh outside world. But dont expect any more from us Brits.. This is why a lot of Scots want independence. Not only do they have no way of influencing policies which affect them, such as the removal of Trident from Scottish waters and the imposition of numerous top-down policies they object to, but they have been bombarded with this sort of expression of hate and resentment ever since they dared to suggest they might be able to decide things for themselves... personally, I can't blame them for wanting to leave. If England was a well-meaning partner then it would be reasonable to expect the establishment and people of England to wish the Scots well regardless of their decision - but the post I quote, and many others too, makes it pretty clear that this isn't so. It's becoming clear that there are a great many people in England who wish Scotland ill, and express it with such vitriol that Scots can't help but think along the lines of: "Oh, so that's how you feel about us - we see now our relationship was based upon a sham - well then, it's just as well we're leaving - shame you can't bring yourselves to wish us well on our journey and maybe come along for part of the adventure". " Maybe the stuff about 'English twats' and 'this is about getting rid of the English' has upset people? Its not about hatred, its about pragmatism. Scots separatists wish to do the best for themselves financially and socially, why should the rest of us be put in a position of great financial risk (currency union) for the sake of a group of people who have shown very little regard for the rest of the UK? Scots want the best for themselves - so do we. The two aims collide so its down to who has the strongest hand. | |||
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"I like many others in england dont want separation,, but if they vote for it,, so be it. They are on their own , no favorable terms, no going back. England should put in the hardest negoistators, not give an inch. They,ve already cost this country too much and have always expected preferencial treatment . Go and be proud of indi., and face the harsh outside world. But dont expect any more from us Brits.. This is why a lot of Scots want independence. Not only do they have no way of influencing policies which affect them, such as the removal of Trident from Scottish waters and the imposition of numerous top-down policies they object to, but they have been bombarded with this sort of expression of hate and resentment ever since they dared to suggest they might be able to decide things for themselves... personally, I can't blame them for wanting to leave. If England was a well-meaning partner then it would be reasonable to expect the establishment and people of England to wish the Scots well regardless of their decision - but the post I quote, and many others too, makes it pretty clear that this isn't so. It's becoming clear that there are a great many people in England who wish Scotland ill, and express it with such vitriol that Scots can't help but think along the lines of: "Oh, so that's how you feel about us - we see now our relationship was based upon a sham - well then, it's just as well we're leaving - shame you can't bring yourselves to wish us well on our journey and maybe come along for part of the adventure". " I think there has to be an acceptance by all that anti-English and bugger off Scotland camps of people exist. However I don't think they are the majority - they just shout loudly I'm a no vote for many of the logical reasons outlined in this post; I'm aghast that currency issues are being brushed off. I don't want another country dictating my interest rates and currency value, especially when I'm a new and fairly 'risky' customer Also trident - that's an SNP political promise - it might not go if another party gets into power! Europe - are we in (and if we are at what cost??) are we out (and if we are what happens to our large polish population who are a massive part of the economy)? Defence - why bother ??? What the white paper outlines is tokenistic at best Power - well a lot of that is devolved already Avoiding cuts - council tax freeze and free prescriptions have meant £557 million less in public coffers - what kind of policy is that??? Oh and I've seen the SNPs figured and planning in action via further education and the police - both are a disaster! | |||
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"Oh hear we go. No it isn't, it's The Bank of England's pound. They issue the currency, they're the lender of last resort, they underwrite the banking system, they set the interest rates. Scotland could unilaterally peg 'their pound' to the English pound but it would cost billions. If Scotland goes it's own way, if the rest of the UK says no you won't have the pound. Go for Euro as part of the negotiations to join that - see how far you go with that." Bank of England the lender of last resort? Come on, China is probably the lender of last resort for us at the moment. Many keep banging on about sterling but sterling is not the be all and end all, politically it's important but practically in the fullness of time probably less so. The most important currency issue for an independent Scotland will be the credit worthiness of the new seperate economy. One of the most important issues is the deficit, even though it's not currently at the forefront of minds at the moment, the debt is massive, it's stll growing, and rUK doesn't hold all the cards in potential negotiations with Scotland. If rUK refuses to negotiate in the best interest of all parties, Scotland may choose to do exactly the same. | |||
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"I like many others in england dont want separation,, but if they vote for it,, so be it. They are on their own , no favorable terms, no going back. England should put in the hardest negoistators, not give an inch. They,ve already cost this country too much and have always expected preferencial treatment . Go and be proud of indi., and face the harsh outside world. But dont expect any more from us Brits.. This is why a lot of Scots want independence. Not only do they have no way of influencing policies which affect them, such as the removal of Trident from Scottish waters and the imposition of numerous top-down policies they object to, but they have been bombarded with this sort of expression of hate and resentment ever since they dared to suggest they might be able to decide things for themselves... personally, I can't blame them for wanting to leave. If England was a well-meaning partner then it would be reasonable to expect the establishment and people of England to wish the Scots well regardless of their decision - but the post I quote, and many others too, makes it pretty clear that this isn't so. It's becoming clear that there are a great many people in England who wish Scotland ill, and express it with such vitriol that Scots can't help but think along the lines of: "Oh, so that's how you feel about us - we see now our relationship was based upon a sham - well then, it's just as well we're leaving - shame you can't bring yourselves to wish us well on our journey and maybe come along for part of the adventure". " i'm sorry but I dont see anything wrong with the post you quoted.... and since in another of the scottish threads you said "if it is a yes you would be moving your business from cumbria to dumfries and galloway".... I'm sure its not a decision that you made out of benevolence... you are making that decision out of your own best interest (ahem.. and I am sure the promise of a cut in corporation tax plays a part in the thinking as well.... )
well if scots do what they think is in there best interest and vote yes to leave..... then I would damn well hope that the negoiators on the rUK side would try and play hardball and do what is in the best interest for rUK...
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"..... Currency Union is a dead duck, why Scots separatists think it is still worth talking about I have no idea. They know the psychological importance of the £ Sterling (and the Monarchy). They HAVE to keep insisting it's how it's going to be, even at the cost of a humiliating climb-down when they realise rUK isn't bluffing. By that point, the damage will have been done. This is what I don't understand. The referendum is the life's work of the SNP and yet they are incredibly light on detail - the detail that people need to make an informed choice. If they had costed, proposed various hard options etc I do believe they would have already carried this vote. Instead its all been "oh we'll sort it out later" to the point that post-independence people don't even know what form their paypackets will take let alone how their mortgages etc will be affected. Its incredible to see so few answers to so many very important questions." If the Separatists had genuine COSTED options for an iScotland, they'd be holding mass meetings in a telephone box. It's as I said above, the truth will out when the damage is done. | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes " Being 400-500 miles from a modern military nuclear explosion won't save your life - it just means you'll die a slower and more painful death. | |||
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"I like many others in england dont want separation,, but if they vote for it,, so be it. They are on their own , no favorable terms, no going back. England should put in the hardest negoistators, not give an inch. They,ve already cost this country too much and have always expected preferencial treatment . Go and be proud of indi., and face the harsh outside world. But dont expect any more from us Brits.. This is why a lot of Scots want independence. Not only do they have no way of influencing policies which affect them, such as the removal of Trident from Scottish waters and the imposition of numerous top-down policies they object to, but they have been bombarded with this sort of expression of hate and resentment ever since they dared to suggest they might be able to decide things for themselves... personally, I can't blame them for wanting to leave. If England was a well-meaning partner then it would be reasonable to expect the establishment and people of England to wish the Scots well regardless of their decision - but the post I quote, and many others too, makes it pretty clear that this isn't so. It's becoming clear that there are a great many people in England who wish Scotland ill, and express it with such vitriol that Scots can't help but think along the lines of: "Oh, so that's how you feel about us - we see now our relationship was based upon a sham - well then, it's just as well we're leaving - shame you can't bring yourselves to wish us well on our journey and maybe come along for part of the adventure". i'm sorry but I dont see anything wrong with the post you quoted.... and since in another of the scottish threads you said "if it is a yes you would be moving your business from cumbria to dumfries and galloway".... I'm sure its not a decision that you made out of benevolence... you are making that decision out of your own best interest (ahem.. and I am sure the promise of a cut in corporation tax plays a part in the thinking as well.... )
well if scots do what they think is in there best interest and vote yes to leave..... then I would damn well hope that the negoiators on the rUK side would try and play hardball and do what is in the best interest for rUK...
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes Being 400-500 miles from a modern military nuclear explosion won't save your life - it just means you'll die a slower and more painful death." It's the fry quick or die slow choice. I always point out to the Anti trident brigade that all we do is store the damn things. The real tricky bits done at Aldermaston and Burghfield where they maintain the active warheads. Also post a Yes vote the aim is to make Faslane the Scottish defence force HQ. It will remain a viable target, especially if an iScotland is a part of NATO. Then there's the Spanish input over the last 2 days. The Spanish have a veto and are in the EU. YES reply - "Their wrong" | |||
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"A YES vote will obviously free Scotland to make its own decisions and allow its people greater representation in the EU and at the UN. An independent Scotland won't be part of the UN or EU. They will have to apply for membership and wait, a long time. There will also be conditions attached to joining the EU. As for the assertion that Westminster will not honour it's promises (there is tri-party agreement on it) Salmond has to pay for his too, forever. He might just have got his maths spectacularly wrong. do you remember cleggies promise on tuition fees ?" Or Cameron's promise on an EU referendum? | |||
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"it isn't just 'the north' who don't like being governed by old Etonians.. the consequence of say the border areas of England tying themselves to Scotland were it ever to happen would most likely just condemn the rest of the country to years of tory boys ruling.. bit sort of fuck you jack we are offski.." Wedon't have a Tory government though, its a Conservative/Lib Dem coalition, Nick Clegg is the deputy Prime Minister. | |||
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"Wedon't have a Tory government though, its a Conservative/Lib Dem coalition, Nick Clegg is the deputy Prime Minister." Bunch of Rich School Boys.. 
They done a good job repairing the damage so far haven't they.. | |||
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"Scotland has funded England for far too long and without Scotland England would be no were " Considering that Scotland's economy is 10% of that of the UK, that whilst the oil money is 10-20% of the Scottish economy it is only 1-2& of the whole UK economy (depending on oil fluctuation prices) and that the whole whisky industry is worth less than one third of one per cent of the UK economy, then that claim is somewhat wide of the truth - and that's being generous. | |||
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"Scotland has funded England for far too long and without Scotland England would be no were " Er, no. Scotland does better than other UK citizens due to the way the Barnett formula works. The UK government also bailed out their (predominantly) banking sector. RBS anyone? Fred the shred Goodwin? | |||
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"Scotland has funded England for far too long and without Scotland England would be no were Er, no. Scotland does better than other UK citizens due to the way the Barnett formula works. The UK government also bailed out their (predominantly) banking sector. RBS anyone? Fred the shred Goodwin? " The Barnett Formula isn't a straight per capita sum. It's designed to take account of other factors like the rural/ island nature of much of Scotland and our older population. | |||
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"Scotland has funded England for far too long and without Scotland England would be no were Er, no. Scotland does better than other UK citizens due to the way the Barnett formula works. The UK government also bailed out their (predominantly) banking sector. RBS anyone? Fred the shred Goodwin? The Barnett Formula isn't a straight per capita sum. It's designed to take account of other factors like the rural/ island nature of much of Scotland and our older population." Agreed, but it doesn't mean that Scotland has been supporting the rest of the UK as one poster implied. It's a mutually beneficial setup. | |||
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"did Scotland start The banking crisis ?? I thought it was more of a Global thing at the time.. "It was global, but Scottish banks, as well as English, were bailed out by the UK taxpayer. | |||
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"did Scotland start The banking crisis ?? I thought it was more of a Global thing at the time..
It was global, but Scottish banks, as well as English, were bailed out by the UK taxpayer."Thanks.. I remember Spain and Greece being bailed out quite a lot as well.. | |||
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"Scotland generates more per head than the whole of the UK as a whole tax revenue from Scotland is 20% in the UK it is 2%" Only when you factor in the oil revenues - the oil fields that the UK taxpayer as a whole provided funding for through exploration subsidies. Those revenues should go back to the taxpayers that funded the start up costs. On that note, the renewable energy sector in Scotland is heavily subsidised by the UK Govt, how does the SNP's Book of Dreams propose to keep subsidising that sector? | |||
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"Scotland generates more per head than the whole of the UK as a whole tax revenue from Scotland is 20% in the UK it is 2% Only when you factor in the oil revenues - the oil fields that the UK taxpayer as a whole provided funding for through exploration subsidies. Those revenues should go back to the taxpayers that funded the start up costs. On that note, the renewable energy sector in Scotland is heavily subsidised by the UK Govt, how does the SNP's Book of Dreams propose to keep subsidising that sector?" Ostrich economics. Head buried, arse exposed and pray the rest of the uk will keep paying. | |||
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"did Scotland start The banking crisis ?? I thought it was more of a Global thing at the time..
It was global, but Scottish banks, as well as English, were bailed out by the UK taxpayer.
Thanks.. I remember Spain and Greece being bailed out quite a lot as well.. "Yes, but not by the Bank of England, the other Euro zone countries footed that bill. | |||
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"I'm so tired of the 'subsidise' debate (if you can call it that) We are a nation that habitually pays into a universal pot that some take out of more than others! National insurance for example - I barely use the NHS yet I pay a fair chunk into it's running monthly (happily) - we all so this. But do we complain when someone need complicated, expensive, life saving treatment - using more than they paid in? NO It's why we are so enviable as a union - we have the power to offer that to out citizens. " . Very well put, better together indeed. | |||
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"did Scotland start The banking crisis ?? I thought it was more of a Global thing at the time..
It was global, but Scottish banks, as well as English, were bailed out by the UK taxpayer.
Thanks.. I remember Spain and Greece being bailed out quite a lot as well.. "....yes... and because their banking sectors were higher than the countries GDP's.... they had to be bailed out by the IMF.... the uk..... nah!!! | |||
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"I'm so tired of the 'subsidise' debate (if you can call it that) We are a nation that habitually pays into a universal pot that some take out of more than others! National insurance for example - I barely use the NHS yet I pay a fair chunk into it's running monthly (happily) - we all so this. But do we complain when someone need complicated, expensive, life saving treatment - using more than they paid in? NO It's why we are so enviable as a union - we have the power to offer that to out citizens. " Well said | |||
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"I'm so tired of the 'subsidise' debate (if you can call it that) We are a nation that habitually pays into a universal pot that some take out of more than others! National insurance for example - I barely use the NHS yet I pay a fair chunk into it's running monthly (happily) - we all so this. But do we complain when someone need complicated, expensive, life saving treatment - using more than they paid in? NO It's why we are so enviable as a union - we have the power to offer that to out citizens. " +1
Other half has a chronic neurological condition. With out the nhs and our excellent district nursing team I would have seen my wife in a care home.
As for austerity, to quote a Greek colleague "You lot don't know what austerity really means"
His brothers salary has been cut by 2/3rd. To see a doctor, money up front. Utility bills tripled, Vat on everything etc. | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes love this nuclear free zone stuff, certain boroughs in London used to have signs up saying similar.. " One of which was ironic as it had a nuclear reactor in it for years | |||
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"Traditionally Thought the UK Bailed out everyone out !! "helped bailout ireland... as part of the seperate deal to the IMF... oooh... another countries who's banking sector was larger than the GDP.... feel a theme!! | |||
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"ironic they were chanting "yes we can!" at the last YES event.... Obama has just come out on his twitter feed hoping people vote "NO!" "He's scaremongering! Has he no read Scotland's Future or The Wee Blue Book, they have all the true facts. | |||
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"ironic they were chanting "yes we can!" at the last YES event.... Obama has just come out on his twitter feed hoping people vote "NO!" "Last I Heard the was on the fone to Donald Trump.. | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes There is far more to it than just Trident or the nuclear issue. Anyway, if you worked at Faslane, or otherwise depended on the base you may think differently, Scottish or not.don't think i would put work before my children if you would no wonder that the people of Scotland want away from you " The fried mars bars and deep fried pizzas will do your kids more harm than trident.....by the way its scots themselves that work at faslane, Dont forget the pollution from oil if your going to bleat on about green issues and thats about all the greedy snp are clinging onto to win. On another note on radio 2 today (Jeremie Vine show)they inter_iewed an impartial Glaswegian taxi driver who said the kids are being told a yes vote is for catholics and a no vote for protestants ....Only Scotland eh | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes There is far more to it than just Trident or the nuclear issue. Anyway, if you worked at Faslane, or otherwise depended on the base you may think differently, Scottish or not.don't think i would put work before my children if you would no wonder that the people of Scotland want away from you The fried mars bars and deep fried pizzas will do your kids more harm than trident.....by the way its scots themselves that work at faslane, Dont forget the pollution from oil if your going to bleat on about green issues and thats about all the greedy snp are clinging onto to win. On another note on radio 2 today (Jeremie Vine show)they inter_iewed an impartial Glaswegian taxi driver who said the kids are being told a yes vote is for catholics and a no vote for protestants ....Only Scotland eh" I heard that, I thought I was hearing things. | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes There is far more to it than just Trident or the nuclear issue. Anyway, if you worked at Faslane, or otherwise depended on the base you may think differently, Scottish or not.don't think i would put work before my children if you would no wonder that the people of Scotland want away from you The fried mars bars and deep fried pizzas will do your kids more harm than trident.....by the way its scots themselves that work at faslane, Dont forget the pollution from oil if your going to bleat on about green issues and thats about all the greedy snp are clinging onto to win. On another note on radio 2 today (Jeremie Vine show)they inter_iewed an impartial Glaswegian taxi driver who said the kids are being told a yes vote is for catholics and a no vote for protestants ....Only Scotland ehI heard that, I thought I was hearing things." Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes There is far more to it than just Trident or the nuclear issue. Anyway, if you worked at Faslane, or otherwise depended on the base you may think differently, Scottish or not.don't think i would put work before my children if you would no wonder that the people of Scotland want away from you The fried mars bars and deep fried pizzas will do your kids more harm than trident.....by the way its scots themselves that work at faslane, Dont forget the pollution from oil if your going to bleat on about green issues and thats about all the greedy snp are clinging onto to win. On another note on radio 2 today (Jeremie Vine show)they inter_iewed an impartial Glaswegian taxi driver who said the kids are being told a yes vote is for catholics and a no vote for protestants ....Only Scotland eh" Wow.. That's just .. | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes There is far more to it than just Trident or the nuclear issue. Anyway, if you worked at Faslane, or otherwise depended on the base you may think differently, Scottish or not.don't think i would put work before my children if you would no wonder that the people of Scotland want away from you The fried mars bars and deep fried pizzas will do your kids more harm than trident.....by the way its scots themselves that work at faslane, Dont forget the pollution from oil if your going to bleat on about green issues and thats about all the greedy snp are clinging onto to win. On another note on radio 2 today (Jeremie Vine show)they inter_iewed an impartial Glaswegian taxi driver who said the kids are being told a yes vote is for catholics and a no vote for protestants ....Only Scotland eh Wow.. That's just .. "Have you ever been to the west coast of Scotland and witnessed the hatred and bile spewed at each other,thats why Jenna lives in England and not her place of birth ...independence will never ever change Scotland | |||
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" Wow.. That's just .. "Oh that's nothing. Guy I used to work with refused to shop at asda. Asked why.. "Cause they are a bunch of fenian b@st@rds as they wear green" And the other side of the coin. "Ah will need shoap at yon Tesco, bunch of blue wearin' hun cu"ts" Bigotry -Scotland's shame. | |||
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Oh that's nothing. Guy I used to work with refused to shop at asda. Asked why..
"Cause they are a bunch of fenian b@st@rds as they wear green"
And the other side of the coin.
"Ah will need shoap at yon Tesco, bunch of blue wearin' hun cu"ts"
Bigotry -Scotland's shame. "If the yes vote wins it will be silly season,there will be theprotestand (northern Ireland sector) fighting with the Catholic (southern Ireland sector) who in turn will will not get on with the Scottish nationalists(Scottish sector)who in turn will hate thier neigbours the Scottish no voters(British sector).....LOVELY COUNTRY! England should also have the chance of a referendum on our future | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes There is far more to it than just Trident or the nuclear issue. Anyway, if you worked at Faslane, or otherwise depended on the base you may think differently, Scottish or not.don't think i would put work before my children if you would no wonder that the people of Scotland want away from you The fried mars bars and deep fried pizzas will do your kids more harm than trident.....by the way its scots themselves that work at faslane, Dont forget the pollution from oil if your going to bleat on about green issues and thats about all the greedy snp are clinging onto to win. On another note on radio 2 today (Jeremie Vine show)they inter_iewed an impartial Glaswegian taxi driver who said the kids are being told a yes vote is for catholics and a no vote for protestants ....Only Scotland eh Wow.. That's just .. Have you ever been to the west coast of Scotland and witnessed the hatred and bile spewed at each other,thats why Jenna lives in England and not her place of birth ...independence will never ever change Scotland"No, is it really that bad? Sectarianism just doesn't figure around here. | |||
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"interesting aside... normally after an election at 10pm there would be "exit polling" results.... none of that tomorrow.... so we will literally have to wait till probably friday breakfast time before we find out what has happened ~6 am probably" The 38 regional voting centres will start to announce their results from 2am onwards, with the last expected to come in around 5am .... | |||
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"interesting aside... normally after an election at 10pm there would be "exit polling" results.... none of that tomorrow.... so we will literally have to wait till probably friday breakfast time before we find out what has happened ~6 am probably The 38 regional voting centres will start to announce their results from 2am onwards, with the last expected to come in around 5am .... " Were those timings set on a standard 40-60% turn out? Or on a higher %. And with it being so close, how many recounts will there be? | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes There is far more to it than just Trident or the nuclear issue. Anyway, if you worked at Faslane, or otherwise depended on the base you may think differently, Scottish or not.don't think i would put work before my children if you would no wonder that the people of Scotland want away from you The fried mars bars and deep fried pizzas will do your kids more harm than trident.....by the way its scots themselves that work at faslane, Dont forget the pollution from oil if your going to bleat on about green issues and thats about all the greedy snp are clinging onto to win. On another note on radio 2 today (Jeremie Vine show)they inter_iewed an impartial Glaswegian taxi driver who said the kids are being told a yes vote is for catholics and a no vote for protestants ....Only Scotland eh Wow.. That's just .. Have you ever been to the west coast of Scotland and witnessed the hatred and bile spewed at each other,thats why Jenna lives in England and not her place of birth ...independence will never ever change Scotland
No, is it really that bad?
Sectarianism just doesn't figure around here."It's that bad and worse | |||
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"interesting aside... normally after an election at 10pm there would be "exit polling" results.... none of that tomorrow.... so we will literally have to wait till probably friday breakfast time before we find out what has happened ~6 am probably The 38 regional voting centres will start to announce their results from 2am onwards, with the last expected to come in around 5am .... Were those timings set on a standard 40-60% turn out? Or on a higher %. And with it being so close, how many recounts will there be? " There's special rules re recounts. As I recall one recount per voting centre but no recount on the total once it gets to Ingliston. | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes There is far more to it than just Trident or the nuclear issue. Anyway, if you worked at Faslane, or otherwise depended on the base you may think differently, Scottish or not.don't think i would put work before my children if you would no wonder that the people of Scotland want away from you The fried mars bars and deep fried pizzas will do your kids more harm than trident.....by the way its scots themselves that work at faslane, Dont forget the pollution from oil if your going to bleat on about green issues and thats about all the greedy snp are clinging onto to win. On another note on radio 2 today (Jeremie Vine show)they inter_iewed an impartial Glaswegian taxi driver who said the kids are being told a yes vote is for catholics and a no vote for protestants ....Only Scotland eh Wow.. That's just .. Have you ever been to the west coast of Scotland and witnessed the hatred and bile spewed at each other,thats why Jenna lives in England and not her place of birth ...independence will never ever change Scotland"I'm from the west and all of that is nonsense. | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes There is far more to it than just Trident or the nuclear issue. Anyway, if you worked at Faslane, or otherwise depended on the base you may think differently, Scottish or not.don't think i would put work before my children if you would no wonder that the people of Scotland want away from you The fried mars bars and deep fried pizzas will do your kids more harm than trident.....by the way its scots themselves that work at faslane, Dont forget the pollution from oil if your going to bleat on about green issues and thats about all the greedy snp are clinging onto to win. On another note on radio 2 today (Jeremie Vine show)they inter_iewed an impartial Glaswegian taxi driver who said the kids are being told a yes vote is for catholics and a no vote for protestants ....Only Scotland eh Wow.. That's just .. Have you ever been to the west coast of Scotland and witnessed the hatred and bile spewed at each other,thats why Jenna lives in England and not her place of birth ...independence will never ever change Scotland
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes
Thank god someone is talking sense!!"Indeed. The overwhelming majority of people in Scotland have expressed their wish not to have Trident based in Scotland, yet I've not heard a single explanation of how they might have it removed if they vote no - and I don't imagine for a second it'll feature in this latest "pledge". If you don't want Trident in Scotland then the only way to have it removed is to vote YES. | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes
Thank god someone is talking sense!!
Indeed. The overwhelming majority of people in Scotland have expressed their wish not to have Trident based in Scotland, yet I've not heard a single explanation of how they might have it removed if they vote no - and I don't imagine for a second it'll feature in this latest "pledge".
If you don't want Trident in Scotland then the only way to have it removed is to vote YES."Being 400-500 miles from a modern military nuclear explosion won't save your life - it just means you'll die a slower and more painful death. | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes
Thank god someone is talking sense!!
Indeed. The overwhelming majority of people in Scotland have expressed their wish not to have Trident based in Scotland, yet I've not heard a single explanation of how they might have it removed if they vote no - and I don't imagine for a second it'll feature in this latest "pledge".
If you don't want Trident in Scotland then the only way to have it removed is to vote YES.
Being 400-500 miles from a modern military nuclear explosion won't save your life - it just means you'll die a slower and more painful death."Which is partly why so many folks want nothing at all to do with them. It's not about the personal risk of their proximity - it's about objecting to the ideology behind their very existence and wanting no part in it. It's a little bit like no longer wanting anything to do with the endemic corruption eating its way through the heart of Westminster and corroding civil rights - there's no way anyone in Scotland can stop it now, they're far too under represented for that... and, again, nothing in the pledge will halt that either. That's why a YES vote is their only way to escape the rot. | |||
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"..... Currency Union is a dead duck, why Scots separatists think it is still worth talking about I have no idea. They know the psychological importance of the £ Sterling (and the Monarchy). They HAVE to keep insisting it's how it's going to be, even at the cost of a humiliating climb-down when they realise rUK isn't bluffing. By that point, the damage will have been done." Only have to look at the absolute unwillingness to back down to IRA activities or to pay ransoms to Isis beheaders to see how stubborn the UK government is. Back down on the currency union? I think not. | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes
Thank god someone is talking sense!!
Indeed. The overwhelming majority of people in Scotland have expressed their wish not to have Trident based in Scotland, yet I've not heard a single explanation of how they might have it removed if they vote no - and I don't imagine for a second it'll feature in this latest "pledge".
If you don't want Trident in Scotland then the only way to have it removed is to vote YES.
Being 400-500 miles from a modern military nuclear explosion won't save your life - it just means you'll die a slower and more painful death.
Which is partly why so many folks want nothing at all to do with them. It's not about the personal risk of their proximity - it's about objecting to the ideology behind their very existence and wanting no part in it.
It's a little bit like no longer wanting anything to do with the endemic corruption eating its way through the heart of Westminster and corroding civil rights - there's no way anyone in Scotland can stop it now, they're far too under represented for that... and, again, nothing in the pledge will halt that either. That's why a YES vote is their only way to escape the rot."How far are you from Sellafield? | |||
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"If voting with your head vote yes and get the nuclear targets 400-500 hundred miles south away from your children and grandchildren.vote yes
Thank god someone is talking sense!!
Indeed. The overwhelming majority of people in Scotland have expressed their wish not to have Trident based in Scotland, yet I've not heard a single explanation of how they might have it removed if they vote no - and I don't imagine for a second it'll feature in this latest "pledge".
If you don't want Trident in Scotland then the only way to have it removed is to vote YES.
Being 400-500 miles from a modern military nuclear explosion won't save your life - it just means you'll die a slower and more painful death.
Which is partly why so many folks want nothing at all to do with them. It's not about the personal risk of their proximity - it's about objecting to the ideology behind their very existence and wanting no part in it.
It's a little bit like no longer wanting anything to do with the endemic corruption eating its way through the heart of Westminster and corroding civil rights - there's no way anyone in Scotland can stop it now, they're far too under represented for that... and, again, nothing in the pledge will halt that either. That's why a YES vote is their only way to escape the rot.
How far are you from Sellafield?"Not bloody far enough - I hate the idea that I brought my kids up in an unpublicised childhood leukemia hot-spot.  | |||
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"Good luck scotland. Show them what you're made of. Vote yes" Lol yes and walk away from the 6th largest economy in the world, one of the strongest currencies and one of the lowest unemployment rates in Europe. Made of what exactly, to vote yes? | |||
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"Good luck scotland. Show them what you're made of. Vote yes Lol yes and walk away from the 6th largest economy in the world, one of the strongest currencies and one of the lowest unemployment rates in Europe. Made of what exactly, to vote yes? " 6th largest, 16th, 60th, - means nothing when the wealth isn't fairly distributed! | |||
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"All the arguments from the No camp seem to center round how much worse off Scotland would be financially. That tells me that rUK would be better off if they vote yes so go for it guys!" Hmmmmmmmmmmm, yes, & non more so than those Westminster crooks - yet Cameron was virtually down on his knees, begging, the other day......... something is slightly askew, I feel! | |||
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"All the arguments from the No camp seem to center round how much worse off Scotland would be financially. That tells me that rUK would be better off if they vote yes so go for it guys!" Weirdly my line of work would be better off if they went. If the scots get kicked off our defence programs jobs wise it would be more secure for me. If the royal navy build there ships south of the wall, our ship yards will be re-opened. More jobs there. When trident moves, more jobs and lots of constrution work too. Scotland would need a defence force... Again some work south of the wall or other parts of the company i work for. So if they stay some people like me would be worse off.. | |||
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"All the arguments from the No camp seem to center round how much worse off Scotland would be financially. That tells me that rUK would be better off if they vote yes so go for it guys! Hmmmmmmmmmmm, yes, & non more so than those Westminster crooks - yet Cameron was virtually down on his knees, begging, the other day......... something is slightly askew, I feel! "And you think that the government of an independent Scotland would be any different in terms of scandal, backhanders and revolving door policy? That's just naive. The moment the Yes result is finalised the empire building will start, the companies that backed the campaign will want their reward. I guess that will be OK though because they will be Scottish crooks? And why does Scotland need any sort of military, obviously aside from the historical threat from the south? You'd need a few TA units at most, and some fishery protection/coastguard vessels plus a bit of SAR. Jobs, that's why. No other reason. It'll be creating a military purely so there's an industry to service it. We don't want Trident but we'll have millions of bullets and bombs please. Ridiculous. | |||
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"All the arguments from the No camp seem to center round how much worse off Scotland would be financially. That tells me that rUK would be better off if they vote yes so go for it guys! Hmmmmmmmmmmm, yes, & non more so than those Westminster crooks - yet Cameron was virtually down on his knees, begging, the other day......... something is slightly askew, I feel!
And you think that the government of an independent Scotland would be any different in terms of scandal, backhanders and revolving door policy? That's just naive.
The moment the Yes result is finalised the empire building will start, the companies that backed the campaign will want their reward. I guess that will be OK though because they will be Scottish crooks?
And why does Scotland need any sort of military, obviously aside from the historical threat from the south? You'd need a few TA units at most, and some fishery protection/coastguard vessels plus a bit of SAR.
Jobs, that's why. No other reason. It'll be creating a military purely so there's an industry to service it. We don't want Trident but we'll have millions of bullets and bombs please. Ridiculous."Bullets n bombs,,nah we,ll use claymores n steam into battle stinkin o whisky | |||
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"God no, not the blue face paint again!" hell no I don't even like blue eyeshaddow | |||
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"All the arguments from the No camp seem to center round how much worse off Scotland would be financially. That tells me that rUK would be better off if they vote yes so go for it guys! Hmmmmmmmmmmm, yes, & non more so than those Westminster crooks - yet Cameron was virtually down on his knees, begging, the other day......... something is slightly askew, I feel!
And you think that the government of an independent Scotland would be any different in terms of scandal, backhanders and revolving door policy? That's just naive.
The moment the Yes result is finalised the empire building will start, the companies that backed the campaign will want their reward. I guess that will be OK though because they will be Scottish crooks?
And why does Scotland need any sort of military, obviously aside from the historical threat from the south? You'd need a few TA units at most, and some fishery protection/coastguard vessels plus a bit of SAR.
Jobs, that's why. No other reason. It'll be creating a military purely so there's an industry to service it. We don't want Trident but we'll have millions of bullets and bombs please. Ridiculous."Yes, but Westminster have proven themselves to be crooked, - you can at least give the Scots a chance to be so!!! ........& that's before we even get in to the Westminster peodo cover up!! That's gone all silent, eh???? | |||
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