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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
Anyone else watching this or saw it earlier this evening?
The first under 18s to have a vote in the UK. I am interested in what they think as they are the ones that have to live with the legacy.
Although the panel doesn't fill me with much joy.
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i saw something on facebook where a mum o one of the kids that went to that posted a status saying her daughter was asked to say they were in favour of the yes campaign because there was too many on the no campaign lol
she apparently told them where to go!! |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"i saw something on facebook where a mum o one of the kids that went to that posted a status saying her daughter was asked to say they were in favour of the yes campaign because there was too many on the no campaign lol
she apparently told them where to go!!"
There has been some rhetoric that the young want yes so it will be interesting to see what they really think. We only have a week left.
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Not watching, licks but it a far cry from recruiting 16 or 17 yo's for the army, don't you think?"
I'm not sure what you are saying here. Puzzled face.
They are being vocal, clapping, cheering and booing.
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I'd tea stuff in the paper that the youth vote was strongly in favour of the No camp, how true that is I can't say. I can say that the few young Scots ive interacted with on twitter have all claimed to be voting No. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Not watching, licks but it a far cry from recruiting 16 or 17 yo's for the army, don't you think?
I'm not sure what you are saying here. Puzzled face.
They are being vocal, clapping, cheering and booing.
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I mean, they're the ones who'll have to live (or die) with the legacy of signing up; I think giving them the vote is fine in comparison. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Not watching, licks but it a far cry from recruiting 16 or 17 yo's for the army, don't you think?
I'm not sure what you are saying here. Puzzled face.
They are being vocal, clapping, cheering and booing.
I mean, they're the ones who'll have to live (or die) with the legacy of signing up; I think giving them the vote is fine in comparison. "
I am happy to give them the vote. They can work and pay tax, have sex, children and get married so why not the vote.
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"I have to say it was a great advert for youth of today they handled themselves fantasticly ......there were 8000 16/17 yr olds there who behaved better than the politicians  "
I'm watching it now and they are acting in a more mature way than the panel.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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ridiculous. how can someone under the age of 18 have a vote on their countries future? scotland need to stay with inthe part of uk or they will be on their ass in my opinion. a 2million employment rate out of a 5million population just goes to show it isnt enough to keep finance in check |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"If the UK goes to war before the ref. Do you think it will make a difference to the way the voting goes?"
I doubt it.
Now that 10 Arab states are supporting the fight against ISIL things may begin to move rather quickly.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If the UK goes to war before the ref. Do you think it will make a difference to the way the voting goes?"
wont matter, wherever USA will go
the UK will allways follow |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If the UK goes to war before the ref. Do you think it will make a difference to the way the voting goes?
wont matter, wherever USA will go
the UK will allways follow"
Maybe that's one of the best reasons yet to vote yes, because that is virtually undeniable! |
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By *abrina59TV/TS
over a year ago
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"i saw something on facebook where a mum o one of the kids that went to that posted a status saying her daughter was asked to say they were in favour of the yes campaign because there was too many on the no campaign lol
she apparently told them where to go!!"
One I saw says was other way around told to ssy they were no instead of yes as too many saying yes |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"If the UK goes to war before the ref. Do you think it will make a difference to the way the voting goes?
wont matter, wherever USA will go
the UK will allways follow"
We should never forget their help during WWII. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i saw something on facebook where a mum o one of the kids that went to that posted a status saying her daughter was asked to say they were in favour of the yes campaign because there was too many on the no campaign lol
she apparently told them where to go!!
One I saw says was other way around told to ssy they were no instead of yes as too many saying yes"
pretty much what i saw as well, except that they were being asked to say either no or undecided as there were too many yes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If the UK goes to war before the ref. Do you think it will make a difference to the way the voting goes?
wont matter, wherever USA will go
the UK will allways follow
We should never forget their help during WWII."
no for sure without them uk would of suffred worse but there on side. point being uk are tails to the USA |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The young people are asking perfectly sensible questions. It's good to see.
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this is something i have been trying to highlight, that many of the 16/17 year olds and also many 18/19 year old first time voters are more engaged and knowledgeable than many older voters. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i saw something on facebook where a mum o one of the kids that went to that posted a status saying her daughter was asked to say they were in favour of the yes campaign because there was too many on the no campaign lol
she apparently told them where to go!!
One I saw says was other way around told to ssy they were no instead of yes as too many saying yes
pretty much what i saw as well, except that they were being asked to say either no or undecided as there were too many yes."
Dirty tactics are being used on both sides. I hope anyone who has a vote have made their own minds up. The 16 -17 year olds should have a say as it's their future. My nineteen year has a vote and he definitely knows where's it's going. I really hope Scotland gets what it wants. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The panel are ignoring the young people in order to have their usual slanging match.
Shameful.
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I thought the only one who attempted to avoid doing that was Patrick Harvie, the other three were fuds. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i saw something on facebook where a mum o one of the kids that went to that posted a status saying her daughter was asked to say they were in favour of the yes campaign because there was too many on the no campaign lol
she apparently told them where to go!!
One I saw says was other way around told to ssy they were no instead of yes as too many saying yes
pretty much what i saw as well, except that they were being asked to say either no or undecided as there were too many yes.
Dirty tactics are being used on both sides. I hope anyone who has a vote have made their own minds up. The 16 -17 year olds should have a say as it's their future. My nineteen year has a vote and he definitely knows where's it's going. I really hope Scotland gets what it wants. "
My nineteen year old son # |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If the UK goes to war before the ref. Do you think it will make a difference to the way the voting goes?
wont matter, wherever USA will go
the UK will allways follow
We should never forget their help during WWII."
The reasons for the allies coming together, yes i agree.
It should also be remembered that we uncomfortable allies, in the mid 30's the USA were preparing to invade Canada as they viewed the British empire as their biggest threat.
The USA also knew they had us over a barrel and took advantage in the terms of supplying us and also reneged on an agreement to share technology after they had gotten hold of ours.
Thats the special relationship for ye. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i saw something on facebook where a mum o one of the kids that went to that posted a status saying her daughter was asked to say they were in favour of the yes campaign because there was too many on the no campaign lol
she apparently told them where to go!!
One I saw says was other way around told to ssy they were no instead of yes as too many saying yes
pretty much what i saw as well, except that they were being asked to say either no or undecided as there were too many yes.
Dirty tactics are being used on both sides. I hope anyone who has a vote have made their own minds up. The 16 -17 year olds should have a say as it's their future. My nineteen year has a vote and he definitely knows where's it's going. I really hope Scotland gets what it wants. "
Yeah i agree with what you say about tactics, the most ludicrous part is that both sides are so busy criticising the other for it, it seems like they are oblivious to their own side doing it.
will Scotland get what it wants ? Only one half will, and that could (and probably will) result in a lot of animosity. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"i saw something on facebook where a mum o one of the kids that went to that posted a status saying her daughter was asked to say they were in favour of the yes campaign because there was too many on the no campaign lol
she apparently told them where to go!!
One I saw says was other way around told to ssy they were no instead of yes as too many saying yes
pretty much what i saw as well, except that they were being asked to say either no or undecided as there were too many yes.
Dirty tactics are being used on both sides. I hope anyone who has a vote have made their own minds up. The 16 -17 year olds should have a say as it's their future. My nineteen year has a vote and he definitely knows where's it's going. I really hope Scotland gets what it wants.
Yeah i agree with what you say about tactics, the most ludicrous part is that both sides are so busy criticising the other for it, it seems like they are oblivious to their own side doing it.
will Scotland get what it wants ? Only one half will, and that could (and probably will) result in a lot of animosity."
Within families and communities. It's too close for this to feel like an unequivocal success, whatever the decision.
The only Scottish young people I know are the ones who have chosen to move away and come to London to make their careers and lives. Will they need a work permit to remain soon?
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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago
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"The panel are ignoring the young people in order to have their usual slanging match.
Shameful.
I thought the only one who attempted to avoid doing that was Patrick Harvie, the other three were fuds."
have to agree ... i have watched him in a few debates over the last few weeks and he always comes across well ...seems to stick to his beliefs instead of focusing on slanging matches the others get into |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i saw something on facebook where a mum o one of the kids that went to that posted a status saying her daughter was asked to say they were in favour of the yes campaign because there was too many on the no campaign lol
she apparently told them where to go!!
One I saw says was other way around told to ssy they were no instead of yes as too many saying yes
pretty much what i saw as well, except that they were being asked to say either no or undecided as there were too many yes.
Dirty tactics are being used on both sides. I hope anyone who has a vote have made their own minds up. The 16 -17 year olds should have a say as it's their future. My nineteen year has a vote and he definitely knows where's it's going. I really hope Scotland gets what it wants.
Yeah i agree with what you say about tactics, the most ludicrous part is that both sides are so busy criticising the other for it, it seems like they are oblivious to their own side doing it.
will Scotland get what it wants ? Only one half will, and that could (and probably will) result in a lot of animosity."
It certainly is to close to call and as you say half of Scotland will not be happy. But they have to abide by the democratic process and accept the outcome.
Who would have thought that the day DC ventures north that the swing would be to the no 'ers. Maybe they like him up there after all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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you really shouldnt beleive what u read the media have been all for the no campaign for months,my daughter was at the debate today with her school and some of her friends had to sit with the no ppl as there wernt enough no voters to fill the seats,this isnt about scots and english its about us making our country a fair and justplace to live to look after the less fortunate in society something the millionaires in westminster wont do ,me im an ex labour voter who would never vote labour in my life again as they are more right wing than the tories and have lost all the socialist values that they should stand for,i do hope our english friends know this is nothing against them but something we must do as a ppl nation and country . |
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It's also a chance for us parents to move nuclear targets five hundred miles south and give our children a better chance.vote yes for your children's sake and hopefully give them a better future.vote yes |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's also a chance for us parents to move nuclear targets five hundred miles south and give our children a better chance.vote yes for your children's sake and hopefully give them a better future.vote yes "
yip billoins of pounds of scrap metal that will never be used ,just a wee thing would any of our english friends like this on their doorstep ?. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"If the UK goes to war before the ref. Do you think it will make a difference to the way the voting goes?
wont matter, wherever USA will go
the UK will allways follow
We should never forget their help during WWII."
We should also never forget they charged us for it! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i saw something on facebook where a mum o one of the kids that went to that posted a status saying her daughter was asked to say they were in favour of the yes campaign because there was too many on the no campaign lol
she apparently told them where to go!!
There has been some rhetoric that the young want yes so it will be interesting to see what they really think. We only have a week left.
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You gob poll of under 18s showed a significant no vote. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If the UK goes to war before the ref. Do you think it will make a difference to the way the voting goes?
wont matter, wherever USA will go
the UK will allways follow
We should never forget their help during WWII.
We should also never forget they charged us for it!"
Or that they ONLY came in after Pearl Harbour
Or that they TOTALLY refused to back us in the Falklands because they had trade agreements in South America.... They will only ever look after their OWN interests. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's also a chance for us parents to move nuclear targets five hundred miles south and give our children a better chance.vote yes for your children's sake and hopefully give them a better future.vote yes "
How high do you hope to build the wall if your expecting it to stop any Nuclear strikes/Fallout 
Gimp |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"It's also a chance for us parents to move nuclear targets five hundred miles south and give our children a better chance.vote yes for your children's sake and hopefully give them a better future.vote yes
How high do you hope to build the wall if your expecting it to stop any Nuclear strikes/Fallout
Gimp "
Pretty sure there's a fair few more 'nuclear targets' down south than in Scotland!
London? Cheltenham (GCHQ)? High Wycombe (RAF Strike Command)? And that's before you add in every military base and population centre in the country.
If you think things wouldn't be landing on Glasgow and Edinburgh anyway (which would pretty much fuck the entire country) regardless of Trident bases then you're being a tad naive!
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It seems the youth vote is the singl most decisive vote in all of this - apparently one poll puts them at 21% Yes, 60% No.
If that is the case, and Scotland is thrown into Independence against their wishes by the old folks then they may take their revenge in the future - after all its those voters who will be paying the pension bill! |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"you really shouldnt beleive what u read the media have been all for the no campaign for months,my daughter was at the debate today with her school and some of her friends had to sit with the no ppl as there wernt enough no voters to fill the seats,this isnt about scots and english its about us making our country a fair and justplace to live to look after the less fortunate in society something the millionaires in westminster wont do ,me im an ex labour voter who would never vote labour in my life again as they are more right wing than the tories and have lost all the socialist values that they should stand for,i do hope our english friends know this is nothing against them but something we must do as a ppl nation and country ."
When you end up with right acting, rather than socialist acting governments, will you accept that? As has been pointed out it's not that long ago Scotland has ensured Tory governments have been returned to Westminster.
This decision isn't about what happens in your lifetime but forever thereafter.
I'm not happy with this government but the factor that leads to governments like this is voter apathy, not where I live.
The best thing about this referendum has been the political activism of voters.
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"It seems the youth vote is the singl most decisive vote in all of this - apparently one poll puts them at 21% Yes, 60% No.
If that is the case, and Scotland is thrown into Independence against their wishes by the old folks then they may take their revenge in the future - after all its those voters who will be paying the pension bill!"
dont know where that poll gets its figures but id say its the other way round they had to move yes voters to the no side as there wasnt enough no voters |
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"you really shouldnt beleive what u read the media have been all for the no campaign for months,my daughter was at the debate today with her school and some of her friends had to sit with the no ppl as there wernt enough no voters to fill the seats,this isnt about scots and english its about us making our country a fair and justplace to live to look after the less fortunate in society something the millionaires in westminster wont do ,me im an ex labour voter who would never vote labour in my life again as they are more right wing than the tories and have lost all the socialist values that they should stand for,i do hope our english friends know this is nothing against them but something we must do as a ppl nation and country .
When you end up with right acting, rather than socialist acting governments, will you accept that? As has been pointed out it's not that long ago Scotland has ensured Tory governments have been returned to Westminster.
This decision isn't about what happens in your lifetime but forever thereafter.
I'm not happy with this government but the factor that leads to governments like this is voter apathy, not where I live.
The best thing about this referendu has been the political activism of voters.
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so u think this is a right acting
goverment? |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"you really shouldnt beleive what u read the media have been all for the no campaign for months,my daughter was at the debate today with her school and some of her friends had to sit with the no ppl as there wernt enough no voters to fill the seats,this isnt about scots and english its about us making our country a fair and justplace to live to look after the less fortunate in society something the millionaires in westminster wont do ,me im an ex labour voter who would never vote labour in my life again as they are more right wing than the tories and have lost all the socialist values that they should stand for,i do hope our english friends know this is nothing against them but something we must do as a ppl nation and country .
When you end up with right acting, rather than socialist acting governments, will you accept that? As has been pointed out it's not that long ago Scotland has ensured Tory governments have been returned to Westminster.
This decision isn't about what happens in your lifetime but forever thereafter.
I'm not happy with this government but the factor that leads to governments like this is voter apathy, not where I live.
The best thing about this referendu has been the political activism of voters.
so u think this is a right acting
goverment?"
I mean political right not correct. I don't believe this government is making the correct decisions on very many things.
I do believe Scotland will see more right politics as opposed to socialist after independence. |
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"It seems the youth vote is the singl most decisive vote in all of this - apparently one poll puts them at 21% Yes, 60% No.
If that is the case, and Scotland is thrown into Independence against their wishes by the old folks then they may take their revenge in the future - after all its those voters who will be paying the pension bill!
dont know where that poll gets its figures but id say its the other way round they had to move yes voters to the no side as there wasnt enough no voters "
The Economic and Social Reasearch Council, carried out by Edinburgh University academics apparently.
Only 21% of youth voters surveyed claimed to be voting Yes. |
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"It seems the youth vote is the singl most decisive vote in all of this - apparently one poll puts them at 21% Yes, 60% No.
If that is the case, and Scotland is thrown into Independence against their wishes by the old folks then they may take their revenge in the future - after all its those voters who will be paying the pension bill!
dont know where that poll gets its figures but id say its the other way round they had to move yes voters to the no side as there wasnt enough no voters
The Economic and Social Reasearch Council, carried out by Edinburgh University academics apparently.
Only 21% of youth voters surveyed claimed to be voting Yes."
havent seen that ,but there was 6000 at the debate yesterday from all the schools in scotland and my daughter said there was less than a 1000 no voters ,i think its great to see them getting involved . |
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"you really shouldnt beleive what u read the media have been all for the no campaign for months,my daughter was at the debate today with her school and some of her friends had to sit with the no ppl as there wernt enough no voters to fill the seats,this isnt about scots and english its about us making our country a fair and justplace to live to look after the less fortunate in society something the millionaires in westminster wont do ,me im an ex labour voter who would never vote labour in my life again as they are more right wing than the tories and have lost all the socialist values that they should stand for,i do hope our english friends know this is nothing against them but something we must do as a ppl nation and country .
When you end up with right acting, rather than socialist acting governments, will you accept that? As has been pointed out it's not that long ago Scotland has ensured Tory governments have been returned to Westminster.
This decision isn't about what happens in your lifetime but forever thereafter.
I'm not happy with this government but the factor that leads to governments like this is voter apathy, not where I live.
The best thing about this referendu has been the political activism of voters.
so u think this is a right acting
goverment?
I mean political right not correct. I don't believe this government is making the correct decisions on very many things.
I do believe Scotland will see more right politics as opposed to socialist after independence."
i agree with you thats why im voting yes |
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"you really shouldnt beleive what u read the media have been all for the no campaign for months,my daughter was at the debate today with her school and some of her friends had to sit with the no ppl as there wernt enough no voters to fill the seats,this isnt about scots and english its about us making our country a fair and justplace to live to look after the less fortunate in society something the millionaires in westminster wont do ,me im an ex labour voter who would never vote labour in my life again as they are more right wing than the tories and have lost all the socialist values that they should stand for,i do hope our english friends know this is nothing against them but something we must do as a ppl nation and country .
When you end up with right acting, rather than socialist acting governments, will you accept that? As has been pointed out it's not that long ago Scotland has ensured Tory governments have been returned to Westminster.
This decision isn't about what happens in your lifetime but forever thereafter.
I'm not happy with this government but the factor that leads to governments like this is voter apathy, not where I live.
The best thing about this referendu has been the political activism of voters.
so u think this is a right acting
goverment?
I mean political right not correct. I don't believe this government is making the correct decisions on very many things.
I do believe Scotland will see more right politics as opposed to socialist after independence.
i agree with you thats why im voting yes"
Let me see if i've understood all this Stevie, you are a former labour voter who wont vote for them anymore because they are right wing not socialist, but you are voting yes because you want a right wing Scotland instead of a socialist Scotland 
you sound a bit confused there. |
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Watched the whole program, was interesting how everyone on the panel bar George Galloway ignored any question that was not slanted in their favour.
Must say I do not like George or his Respect Party but he was the only one on the panel that impressed me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"you really shouldnt beleive what u read the media have been all for the no campaign for months,my daughter was at the debate today with her school and some of her friends had to sit with the no ppl as there wernt enough no voters to fill the seats,this isnt about scots and english its about us making our country a fair and justplace to live to look after the less fortunate in society something the millionaires in westminster wont do ,me im an ex labour voter who would never vote labour in my life again as they are more right wing than the tories and have lost all the socialist values that they should stand for,i do hope our english friends know this is nothing against them but something we must do as a ppl nation and country .
When you end up with right acting, rather than socialist acting governments, will you accept that? As has been pointed out it's not that long ago Scotland has ensured Tory governments have been returned to Westminster.
This decision isn't about what happens in your lifetime but forever thereafter.
I'm not happy with this government but the factor that leads to governments like this is voter apathy, not where I live.
The best thing about this referendu has been the political activism of voters.
so u think this is a right acting
goverment?
I mean political right not correct. I don't believe this government is making the correct decisions on very many things.
I do believe Scotland will see more right politics as opposed to socialist after independence.
i agree with you thats why im voting yes
Let me see if i've understood all this Stevie, you are a former labour voter who wont vote for them anymore because they are right wing not socialist, but you are voting yes because you want a right wing Scotland instead of a socialist Scotland
you sound a bit confused there."
cant see where i said i want a right wing goverment,my comment was meant as a goverment who will do the right things for the ppl who elected them . |
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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago
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"Watched the whole program, was interesting how everyone on the panel bar George Galloway ignored any question that was not slanted in their favour.
Must say I do not like George or his Respect Party but he was the only one on the panel that impressed me."
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"you really shouldnt beleive what u read the media have been all for the no campaign for months,my daughter was at the debate today with her school and some of her friends had to sit with the no ppl as there wernt enough no voters to fill the seats,this isnt about scots and english its about us making our country a fair and justplace to live to look after the less fortunate in society something the millionaires in westminster wont do ,me im an ex labour voter who would never vote labour in my life again as they are more right wing than the tories and have lost all the socialist values that they should stand for,i do hope our english friends know this is nothing against them but something we must do as a ppl nation and country .
When you end up with right acting, rather than socialist acting governments, will you accept that? As has been pointed out it's not that long ago Scotland has ensured Tory governments have been returned to Westminster.
This decision isn't about what happens in your lifetime but forever thereafter.
I'm not happy with this government but the factor that leads to governments like this is voter apathy, not where I live.
The best thing about this referendu has been the political activism of voters.
so u think this is a right acting
goverment?
I mean political right not correct. I don't believe this government is making the correct decisions on very many things.
I do believe Scotland will see more right politics as opposed to socialist after independence.
i agree with you thats why im voting yes
Let me see if i've understood all this Stevie, you are a former labour voter who wont vote for them anymore because they are right wing not socialist, but you are voting yes because you want a right wing Scotland instead of a socialist Scotland
you sound a bit confused there.
cant see where i said i want a right wing goverment,my comment was meant as a goverment who will do the right things for the ppl who elected them ."
Lickety said that she thinks an independent Scotland will be more right wing, you said i agree thats why im voting yes.
think about it, you indicated you are voting yes to get right wing politics |
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"It seems the youth vote is the singl most decisive vote in all of this - apparently one poll puts them at 21% Yes, 60% No.
If that is the case, and Scotland is thrown into Independence against their wishes by the old folks then they may take their revenge in the future - after all its those voters who will be paying the pension bill!
dont know where that poll gets its figures but id say its the other way round they had to move yes voters to the no side as there wasnt enough no voters
The Economic and Social Reasearch Council, carried out by Edinburgh University academics apparently.
Only 21% of youth voters surveyed claimed to be voting Yes.
havent seen that ,but there was 6000 at the debate yesterday from all the schools in scotland and my daughter said there was less than a 1000 no voters ,i think its great to see them getting involved ."
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just read comment again and you are right it does look like that ,when i first read it i took the lady meant we would get a goverment who would do the right and correct things for the ppl who voted them in . |
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I think 16 is too young to be given the the vote.
Do you really think the majority of 16 and 17 year olds have enough life experience, wisdom and judgement, let alone, that they haven't made any significant contribution to society at that age. I'm not talking about the the cherry picked poster boys/girls selected for their undoubted maturity, articulation and insight.
I would agree that many adults are also poorly equipped to cast a rational vote, but that's a whole other issue. |
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"i saw something on facebook where a mum o one of the kids that went to that posted a status saying her daughter was asked to say they were in favour of the yes campaign because there was too many on the no campaign lol
she apparently told them where to go!!"
It was the other way round. |
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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago
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"I think 16 is too young to be given the the vote.
Do you really think the majority of 16 and 17 year olds have enough life experience, wisdom and judgement, let alone, that they haven't made any significant contribution to society at that age. I'm not talking about the the cherry picked poster boys/girls selected for their undoubted maturity, articulation and insight.
I would agree that many adults are also poorly equipped to cast a rational vote, but that's a whole other issue."
i have to strongly disagree with you on that 1 ..kids nowadays are much more mature than they were years ago even in my teenage years ...its THEIR future we are gambling with they deserve to be counted |
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"Watched the whole program, was interesting how everyone on the panel bar George Galloway ignored any question that was not slanted in their favour.
Must say I do not like George or his Respect Party but he was the only one on the panel that impressed me.
Seriously!!!!!!!! "
Yes, it struck me that 3 of the panel were only interested in trotting out pre planned sound-bites and making personal attacks on those on the other side of the argument. George Galloway held himself above that and tried to address the issues being raised by the audience. In fact he handled himself so well that one of the panel was reduced to making the most disgusting personal attack that was in no way related to the issues to try and score points over the man.
That you seem either not to have seen that or to be ignoring it speaks volumes.
And before answering, please remember I am not a Galloway fan. |
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"I think 16 is too young to be given the the vote.
Do you really think the majority of 16 and 17 year olds have enough life experience, wisdom and judgement, let alone, that they haven't made any significant contribution to society at that age. I'm not talking about the the cherry picked poster boys/girls selected for their undoubted maturity, articulation and insight.
I would agree that many adults are also poorly equipped to cast a rational vote, but that's a whole other issue.
i have to strongly disagree with you on that 1 ..kids nowadays are much more mature than they were years ago even in my teenage years ...its THEIR future we are gambling with they deserve to be counted "
So where would you draw the line, 15, 14, 12, 8 ? Of course it's their future (plus the remainder of ours), but I'm sure you would agree a 4 year old is too young. I think 16 is still too young. |
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"I think 16 is too young to be given the the vote.
Do you really think the majority of 16 and 17 year olds have enough life experience, wisdom and judgement, let alone, that they haven't made any significant contribution to society at that age. I'm not talking about the the cherry picked poster boys/girls selected for their undoubted maturity, articulation and insight.
I would agree that many adults are also poorly equipped to cast a rational vote, but that's a whole other issue."
The immature ones probably won't vote anyway. I believe that anybody who doesn't vote, in this or any other referendum, has no right to complain when things don't turn out the way they wanted. In this case, there will probably be a lot of young people who will in future years, be complaining about the outcome whichever way it goes. |
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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago
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"It ought to be about maturity rather than just age. Maybe some form of test or assessment could be implemented before someone is permitted to vote (or drink or marry or ........)."
half the bloody country would fail  |
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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago
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So where would you draw the line, 15, 14, 12, 8 ? Of course it's their future (plus the remainder of ours), but I'm sure you would agree a 4 year old is too young. I think 16 is still too young."
we're not talking about 4,8,12,14 and 15 yr olds (minors)are we ...we're talking about 16/17 year olds which i dont think your giving much credit to...these young adults can work pay taxes leave home get married....they should have as much right to their say as we have about our future |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"It ought to be about maturity rather than just age. Maybe some form of test or assessment could be implemented before someone is permitted to vote (or drink or marry or ........).
half the bloody country would fail "
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over a year ago
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"If the UK goes to war before the ref. Do you think it will make a difference to the way the voting goes?
wont matter, wherever USA will go
the UK will allways follow
We should never forget their help during WWII.
We should also never forget they charged us for it!
Or that they ONLY came in after Pearl Harbour
Or that they TOTALLY refused to back us in the Falklands because they had trade agreements in South America.... They will only ever look after their OWN interests."
They offered us the use of an aircraft carrier If one of ours was sunk I believe and supplied us with the latest sidewinder missiles during Falklands war
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"If the UK goes to war before the ref. Do you think it will make a difference to the way the voting goes?
wont matter, wherever USA will go
the UK will allways follow
We should never forget their help during WWII.
We should also never forget they charged us for it!
Or that they ONLY came in after Pearl Harbour
Or that they TOTALLY refused to back us in the Falklands because they had trade agreements in South America.... They will only ever look after their OWN interests."
They offered us the use of an aircraft carrier If one of ours was sunk I believe and supplied us with the latest sidewinder missiles during Falklands war
Bloody yanks |
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