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poor doggies!
Have to say the guy and his son who went in and rescued the others have the best hearts going, little space in heaven opened for them | |||
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"As usual the courts will do fuck all 14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out His parents must be proud I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him" Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him. | |||
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"As usual the courts will do fuck all 14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out His parents must be proud I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him. " Difference is....saying and doing are entirely different. | |||
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"As usual the courts will do fuck all 14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out His parents must be proud I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him. " But if he goes inside he wont live any way think like for every dog its a child hes killed living things | |||
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"If I'd lived closer I would foster a couple until they got sorted, so sad. "i know what u mean | |||
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"If I'd lived closer I would foster a couple until they got sorted, so sad. i know what u mean "saying they are inundated with offers for this - lots of kind folk around = | |||
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not seen the news today so this is the first i new about it my whole body felt numb as i was reading then a sick feeling in my belly i am from manchester had 2 dogs from there my self in the past the thought of those poor dogs trapped is sickening in fact i am struggling to put into words how its made me feel | |||
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"Over 100k raised already on justgiving.... some people prize animals more than people! "That's because dogs don't go round burning homes down 
Seriously though what's wrong with people helping out? Why do you feel the need to roll your eyes at others kindness? | |||
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"Over 100k raised already on justgiving.... some people prize animals more than people!
That's because dogs don't go round burning homes down
Seriously though what's wrong with people helping out? Why do you feel the need to roll your eyes at others kindness?" I donate to the poppy appeal and children in need yearly and the RSPCA. Have donated to Manchester dogs home tonight, Animals are just as worthy as humans. Its the act of a selfish and cruel human that has got the poor dogs in this state...... | |||
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"Over 100k raised already on justgiving.... some people prize animals more than people!
That's because dogs don't go round burning homes down
Seriously though what's wrong with people helping out? Why do you feel the need to roll your eyes at others kindness?
I donate to the poppy appeal and children in need yearly and the RSPCA. Have donated to Manchester dogs home tonight, Animals are just as worthy as humans. Its the act of a selfish and cruel human that has got the poor dogs in this state...... " | |||
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"Over 100k raised already on justgiving.... some people prize animals more than people!
That's because dogs don't go round burning homes down
Seriously though what's wrong with people helping out? Why do you feel the need to roll your eyes at others kindness?
I donate to the poppy appeal and children in need yearly and the RSPCA. Have donated to Manchester dogs home tonight, Animals are just as worthy as humans. Its the act of a selfish and cruel human that has got the poor dogs in this state......
"I agree, I do a lot of found raising for the PDSA, not because I value animals over humans (though I do value all life as equal) but because they helped me out years ago when I was at uni and skint, its my way of saying thank you | |||
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" His parents must be proud " As the police have already (and unusually) appealed for the public 'not to take matters in to their own hands' I suspect his family are already in hiding. | |||
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"how do they know already that it was arson? i thought they had to wait for the scene to be safe before they go in and do the fire investigation etc?" The news this morning said 'suspected arson' but they have already arrested a 14 yr old boy for it | |||
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"So so sad. No words describe adequatelu describe the person that did this. Personally I'd rather focus on the goodness and heroics of the members of the public (and of course the firefighters) that went in and risked their lives to save some of the animals - amazing people. " | |||
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"Such a sad thing, those poor dogs who died in the fire! A young man has been arrested on the suspicion of arson! Why on earth would anyone want to set light to a dogs home ? " Because there are some evil people in this world, I read about someone on facebook setting fire to a kitten. It was in the mirror because people were complaining about facebook for not removing the video even though people had complained about it and still are. | |||
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"Over 100k raised already on justgiving.... some people prize animals more than people! "I for one think that's amazing amount in such a short period of time. Lets hope the generosity of others helps the dogs & staff of the home recover. and if you're that concerned there were people involved ~ the ones that are probably left traumatised seeing the dogs they've rescued & cared for die in such a horrible way. | |||
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"Such a sad thing, those poor dogs who died in the fire! A young man has been arrested on the suspicion of arson! Why on earth would anyone want to set light to a dogs home ? Because there are some evil people in this world, I read about someone on facebook setting fire to a kitten. It was in the mirror because people were complaining about facebook for not removing the video even though people had complained about it and still are." I reported an image of a man being burned alive and they said it didn't contravene their rules!! | |||
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"I would love to meet this little walker " Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?! | |||
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"I would love to meet this little walker Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?! "
Any adult who believes violence is acceptable retribution, particularly against a child is as much a part of society's problems as this kid.
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"As usual the courts will do fuck all 14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out His parents must be proud I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him" As much as this is a very good idea, also, if he survives deny him plastic surgery. He will get away with it, more than likely he will be bragging about it as well. | |||
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"I would love to meet this little walker Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?! "There was a much worse comment further up. | |||
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"I would love to meet this little walker Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!
Any adult who believes violence is acceptable retribution, particularly against a child is as much a part of society's problems as this kid.
Even though you are right, it is a natural reaction to an incident of this scale. To think for a laugh some sick minded individual set fire to a dogs home, where the animals have had a rough time to start with have been burned alive with no chance of escaping. Also knowing the shit will get an asbo and not much else tends to piss people off.
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"I would love to meet this little walker Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!
Any adult who believes violence is acceptable retribution, particularly against a child is as much a part of society's problems as this kid.
"The poster didn't say what he would do to the person if he met him though. There was a much worse comment further up that wasn't commented on though. | |||
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"As usual the courts will do fuck all 14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out His parents must be proud I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him" Oh the irony! | |||
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"As usual the courts will do fuck all 14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out His parents must be proud I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him. " Exactly! | |||
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"I would love to meet this little walker Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?! "A 14 year old is NOT a child! A 14 year old is a teenager and most are sexually mature and capable of producing children! Maybe if we all started treating out of control teenagers as what they are young men and women not quite adults but NOT children then maybe we would not have so many 20 odd year old adults claiming that 'I didn't mean to kill them' when in childish d*unken temper tantrums they lash out and kill or steal cars and don't have the the self control to pull over when caught but go on rampages smashing anything that gets in their way. | |||
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"As usual the courts will do fuck all 14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out His parents must be proud I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him. " really? | |||
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"I would love to meet this little walker Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!
Any adult who believes violence is acceptable retribution, particularly against a child is as much a part of society's problems as this kid.
The poster didn't say what he would do to the person if he met him though.
There was a much worse comment further up that wasn't commented on though." I was following on from that post but a few posts on this threaf sicken me, particularly the one suggesting the perpetrator should be burnt alive. | |||
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"I would love to meet this little walker Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!
Any adult who believes violence is acceptable retribution, particularly against a child is as much a part of society's problems as this kid.
Even though you are right, it is a natural reaction to an incident of this scale. To think for a laugh some sick minded individual set fire to a dogs home, where the animals have had a rough time to start with have been burned alive with no chance of escaping. Also knowing the shit will get an asbo and not much else tends to piss people off.
"It might be natural for you to think violent retribution is the obvious reaction but not for mamy people. And certainly isn't for me. | |||
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"As usual the courts will do fuck all 14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out His parents must be proud I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him. really? "Most definitely
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"As usual the courts will do fuck all 14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out His parents must be proud I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him" Any credible argument you had went out of the window when you typed that. | |||
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"I would love to meet this little walker Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!
A 14 year old is NOT a child! A 14 year old is a teenager and most are sexually mature and capable of producing children!
Maybe if we all started treating out of control teenagers as what they are young men and women not quite adults but NOT children then maybe we would not have so many 20 odd year old adults claiming that 'I didn't mean to kill them' when in childish d*unken temper tantrums they lash out and kill or steal cars and don't have the the self control to pull over when caught but go on rampages smashing anything that gets in their way."I beg to differ a 14 year old is a child and can be extremely immature at that age. They need guidance, support and firm but fair parenting. No one knows why this young person chose to do what he did, he needs to be accountable for his actions but also helped as there is obviously something very wrong somewhere. | |||
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"I would love to meet this little walker Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!
A 14 year old is NOT a child! A 14 year old is a teenager and most are sexually mature and capable of producing children!
Maybe if we all started treating out of control teenagers as what they are young men and women not quite adults but NOT children then maybe we would not have so many 20 odd year old adults claiming that 'I didn't mean to kill them' when in childish d*unken temper tantrums they lash out and kill or steal cars and don't have the the self control to pull over when caught but go on rampages smashing anything that gets in their way."If you think a 14 year old isn't a child there's something seriously wrong with you! | |||
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"I would love to meet this little walker Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!
A 14 year old is NOT a child! A 14 year old is a teenager and most are sexually mature and capable of producing children!
Maybe if we all started treating out of control teenagers as what they are young men and women not quite adults but NOT children then maybe we would not have so many 20 odd year old adults claiming that 'I didn't mean to kill them' when in childish d*unken temper tantrums they lash out and kill or steal cars and don't have the the self control to pull over when caught but go on rampages smashing anything that gets in their way.
If you think a 14 year old isn't a child there's something seriously wrong with you! "I have to agree you are still a child at 14... | |||
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"I would love to meet this little walker Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!
A 14 year old is NOT a child! A 14 year old is a teenager and most are sexually mature and capable of producing children!
Maybe if we all started treating out of control teenagers as what they are young men and women not quite adults but NOT children then maybe we would not have so many 20 odd year old adults claiming that 'I didn't mean to kill them' when in childish d*unken temper tantrums they lash out and kill or steal cars and don't have the the self control to pull over when caught but go on rampages smashing anything that gets in their way.
I beg to differ a 14 year old is a child and can be extremely immature at that age.
They need guidance, support and firm but fair parenting.
No one knows why this young person chose to do what he did, he needs to be accountable for his actions but also helped as there is obviously something very wrong somewhere."He does need to be held accountable and I agree support needs to be given...he is young enough if support is given to change his behaviour...The Lad needs help not to be burnt alive as other's suggest..I still stand by what I said that it was an evil thing to do. | |||
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"As usual the courts will do fuck all 14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out His parents must be proud I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him. Difference is....saying and doing are entirely different. " the fact that you thought it is worrying enough.. | |||
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"As usual the courts will do fuck all 14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out His parents must be proud I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him. really?
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Where do children learn their behaviour from?"Lol sorry CW...misuse of the reply/quote button,,was directed at the skip comment tbh..agree with you about where kids learn their behaviour  | |||
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"Over 100k raised already on justgiving.... some people prize animals more than people!
I for one think that's amazing amount in such a short period of time. Lets hope the generosity of others helps the dogs & staff of the home recover.
and if you're that concerned there were people involved ~ the ones that are probably left traumatised seeing the dogs they've rescued & cared for die in such a horrible way. " | |||
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"It is said that you shouldn't stereotype, but I am going to. It's an almost certainty that this little shit is already known to the authorities and is probably from one of the so called 120,000, (as stated by the government), "problem families" within our society. You just know that he probably didn't attend school yesterday and it is likely that he roams the streets until all hours, as part of a semi feral gang with likeminded peers. He will be a local resident and be well aware of the purpose of the building, and that it contained animals within. The statistics show that young people who obtain pleasure from hurting animals, often grow up to inflict suffering on other humans, often resulting in murder. His life is mapped out. No doubt, he will not be named for legal reason and will now be molly cuddled by the so called leftie do gooders at great public expense who all say "poor child". Glad I got that off my chest beacause it makes me so angry !!" Yes you are right you shouldn't stereotype.
Probably a good idea to avoid sweeping generalisations and assumptions too
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"It is said that you shouldn't stereotype, but I am going to. It's an almost certainty that this little shit is already known to the authorities and is probably from one of the so called 120,000, (as stated by the government), "problem families" within our society. You just know that he probably didn't attend school yesterday and it is likely that he roams the streets until all hours, as part of a semi feral gang with likeminded peers. He will be a local resident and be well aware of the purpose of the building, and that it contained animals within. The statistics show that young people who obtain pleasure from hurting animals, often grow up to inflict suffering on other humans, often resulting in murder. His life is mapped out. No doubt, he will not be named for legal reason and will now be molly cuddled by the so called leftie do gooders at great public expense who all say "poor child". Glad I got that off my chest beacause it makes me so angry !!" And it is just as possible that this is a 14 year old with severe learning disabilities and tthe developmental level of a 5 year old that truly didn't realise the consequences of his actions. Your post is full of knee jerk emotive bile based on presumptions which are as likely to be completely false as they are to be grounded in truth. Perhaps abate your anger until you know the facts of the case before becoming judge and juror with no idea as to what truly happened. | |||
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"It is said that you shouldn't stereotype, but I am going to. It's an almost certainty that this little shit is already known to the authorities and is probably from one of the so called 120,000, (as stated by the government), "problem families" within our society. You just know that he probably didn't attend school yesterday and it is likely that he roams the streets until all hours, as part of a semi feral gang with likeminded peers. He will be a local resident and be well aware of the purpose of the building, and that it contained animals within. The statistics show that young people who obtain pleasure from hurting animals, often grow up to inflict suffering on other humans, often resulting in murder. His life is mapped out. No doubt, he will not be named for legal reason and will now be molly cuddled by the so called leftie do gooders at great public expense who all say "poor child". Glad I got that off my chest beacause it makes me so angry !!" | |||
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"In answer to a number of posts: Firstly although a minor a 14 year old is over the age of legal responsibility and can be tried as an adult for some offences. And although the definition of a child is a minor under the age of legal majority, when we talk about children we have to differentiate between those who really are still learning how to interact socially and teenagers. We cant have a magic line one side of which your a child the other your an adult. Secondly, I have not heard how the fire was started but I will point out that I live close to the dogs home. The kennels are all roofed and very secure, I cannot see how anyone outside the dogs home could set a fire (even with a firework) without breaking in first. Thirdly, even if the fire was started with a firework, it is an offence for a 14 YO to be in possession of fireworks and to obtain fireworks or another form of ignition and to go to the dogs home and set a fire or use fireworks shows premeditation and as a minimum and intent to cause fear. I find it incredible how many people are lining up to protect poor little whoever and attack those who think the arsonist should be looking at a minimum of a very long term of imprisonment." I love you! | |||
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"In answer to a number of posts: Firstly although a minor a 14 year old is over the age of legal responsibility and can be tried as an adult for some offences. And although the definition of a child is a minor under the age of legal majority, when we talk about children we have to differentiate between those who really are still learning how to interact socially and teenagers. We cant have a magic line one side of which your a child the other your an adult. Secondly, I have not heard how the fire was started but I will point out that I live close to the dogs home. The kennels are all roofed and very secure, I cannot see how anyone outside the dogs home could set a fire (even with a firework) without breaking in first. Thirdly, even if the fire was started with a firework, it is an offence for a 14 YO to be in possession of fireworks and to obtain fireworks or another form of ignition and to go to the dogs home and set a fire or use fireworks shows premeditation and as a minimum and intent to cause fear. I find it incredible how many people are lining up to protect poor little whoever and attack those who think the arsonist should be looking at a minimum of a very long term of imprisonment." Has anybody said the perpetrator shouldn't face justice? I think what I and many others object to is tjose that are suggesting vengeance is a better option. I hope he goes to prison and I hope he gets the help he needs. But to clarify I don't want to see him set alight, thrown in a skip and denied medical treatment as someone else has suggested. | |||
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"It is said that you shouldn't stereotype, but I am going to. It's an almost certainty that this little shit is already known to the authorities and is probably from one of the so called 120,000, (as stated by the government), "problem families" within our society. You just know that he probably didn't attend school yesterday and it is likely that he roams the streets until all hours, as part of a semi feral gang with likeminded peers. He will be a local resident and be well aware of the purpose of the building, and that it contained animals within. The statistics show that young people who obtain pleasure from hurting animals, often grow up to inflict suffering on other humans, often resulting in murder. His life is mapped out. No doubt, he will not be named for legal reason and will now be molly cuddled by the so called leftie do gooders at great public expense who all say "poor child". Glad I got that off my chest beacause it makes me so angry !! And it is just as possible that this is a 14 year old with severe learning disabilities and tthe developmental level of a 5 year old that truly didn't realise the consequences of his actions. Your post is full of knee jerk emotive bile based on presumptions which are as likely to be completely false as they are to be grounded in truth. Perhaps abate your anger until you know the facts of the case before becoming judge and juror with no idea as to what truly happened. " . Got to love the oh he might have learning disability excuse!!! Even if he did have or does have learning disability etc he should know at 14 between right and wrong if his parents have the morals to do that assuming!. It sickens me, no excuse at all for a child to do this to animals. I do tend to agree with a previous poster and feel this is another child brought up with bad parenting skills. Maybe once the court system has done nothing to punish him he should be made to work for free at the dog home, let him see the devastation he caused! See the animals he hurt some of which I read have burnt fur etc. No excuse can be made for this kid he is purely a nasty little twat that needs punishing. | |||
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"In answer to a number of posts: Firstly although a minor a 14 year old is over the age of legal responsibility and can be tried as an adult for some offences. And although the definition of a child is a minor under the age of legal majority, when we talk about children we have to differentiate between those who really are still learning how to interact socially and teenagers. We cant have a magic line one side of which your a child the other your an adult. Secondly, I have not heard how the fire was started but I will point out that I live close to the dogs home. The kennels are all roofed and very secure, I cannot see how anyone outside the dogs home could set a fire (even with a firework) without breaking in first. Thirdly, even if the fire was started with a firework, it is an offence for a 14 YO to be in possession of fireworks and to obtain fireworks or another form of ignition and to go to the dogs home and set a fire or use fireworks shows premeditation and as a minimum and intent to cause fear. I find it incredible how many people are lining up to protect poor little whoever and attack those who think the arsonist should be looking at a minimum of a very long term of imprisonment. Has anybody said the perpetrator shouldn't face justice? I think what I and many others object to is tjose that are suggesting vengeance is a better option. I hope he goes to prison and I hope he gets the help he needs. But to clarify I don't want to see him set alight, thrown in a skip and denied medical treatment as someone else has suggested." I feel the same, crystal. Frankly, yes, *some* children are tried as Adults for *some* crimes at the age of 14, though in fact it's quite rare at that age and far more likely at the age of 16. But notice that not *all* 14 year olds are tried as Adults, even when cps is able to? That's because they have to take into account the maturity and ability to understand the full consequences of their actions to a certain degree. Because, as was stated, there's no line where all kids of a certain age understand things to the same degree, either. They also have to take into account mitigating circumstances such as any learning disabilities like asperger's or autism which would impact upon ability to understand the consequences of their actions, as well as genuine mental illness which impacts, again, on ability to understand the consequences of actions. Oh, and most of British law happens to be based upon the intent of the alleged offender. If arson relies upon that intent question, then they have took also established whether a fire was the intended purpose to his actions and if it wasn't they must tailor the charges accordingly. This alleged offender deserves justice to be served as much as the victims, and the crowd mentality of batting for his blood without thought to genuine facts is an archaic and draconian mentality best left in the dark ages. | |||
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"It is said that you shouldn't stereotype, but I am going to. It's an almost certainty that this little shit is already known to the authorities and is probably from one of the so called 120,000, (as stated by the government), "problem families" within our society. You just know that he probably didn't attend school yesterday and it is likely that he roams the streets until all hours, as part of a semi feral gang with likeminded peers. He will be a local resident and be well aware of the purpose of the building, and that it contained animals within. The statistics show that young people who obtain pleasure from hurting animals, often grow up to inflict suffering on other humans, often resulting in murder. His life is mapped out. No doubt, he will not be named for legal reason and will now be molly cuddled by the so called leftie do gooders at great public expense who all say "poor child". Glad I got that off my chest beacause it makes me so angry !! And it is just as possible that this is a 14 year old with severe learning disabilities and tthe developmental level of a 5 year old that truly didn't realise the consequences of his actions. Your post is full of knee jerk emotive bile based on presumptions which are as likely to be completely false as they are to be grounded in truth. Perhaps abate your anger until you know the facts of the case before becoming judge and juror with no idea as to what truly happened. . Got to love the oh he might have learning disability excuse!!! Even if he did have or does have learning disability etc he should know at 14 between right and wrong if his parents have the morals to do that assuming!. It sickens me, no excuse at all for a child to do this to animals. I do tend to agree with a previous poster and feel this is another child brought up with bad parenting skills. Maybe once the court system has done nothing to punish him he should be made to work for free at the dog home, let him see the devastation he caused! See the animals he hurt some of which I read have burnt fur etc. No excuse can be made for this kid he is purely a nasty little twat that needs punishing. " I see only someone with absolutely no knowledge of or experience with those with severe learning disabilities, nor respect for the challenges they present to everyone involved, nor compassion for anyone who may genuinely suffer from them. | |||
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"We have tried him and found him guilty well before the professionals such as police, CPS, prosecution has....Let's wait and see what evidence and other information is brought forward before hanging at the gallows " Noooo Cheeky !!! Lets just hang him ! No trial or fuck all !! Thats what the little bastard deserves even if hes innocent ! | |||
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"We have tried him and found him guilty well before the professionals such as police, CPS, prosecution has....Let's wait and see what evidence and other information is brought forward before hanging at the gallows Noooo Cheeky !!! Lets just hang him ! No trial or fuck all !! Thats what the little bastard deserves even if hes innocent !" Righty ho...now that my dear is your opinion and if you feel like that then carry on...I shall stick to my own beliefs and opinions  | |||
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"We have tried him and found him guilty well before the professionals such as police, CPS, prosecution has....Let's wait and see what evidence and other information is brought forward before hanging at the gallows Noooo Cheeky !!! Lets just hang him ! No trial or fuck all !! Thats what the little bastard deserves even if hes innocent !" Why would you want to hang an innocent person anyway? I'd think you would be pissed off if someone said to you right you aww innocent but you know what we will still hang you today... | |||
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"It is said that you shouldn't stereotype, but I am going to. It's an almost certainty that this little shit is already known to the authorities and is probably from one of the so called 120,000, (as stated by the government), "problem families" within our society. You just know that he probably didn't attend school yesterday and it is likely that he roams the streets until all hours, as part of a semi feral gang with likeminded peers. He will be a local resident and be well aware of the purpose of the building, and that it contained animals within. The statistics show that young people who obtain pleasure from hurting animals, often grow up to inflict suffering on other humans, often resulting in murder. His life is mapped out. No doubt, he will not be named for legal reason and will now be molly cuddled by the so called leftie do gooders at great public expense who all say "poor child". Glad I got that off my chest beacause it makes me so angry !! And it is just as possible that this is a 14 year old with severe learning disabilities and tthe developmental level of a 5 year old that truly didn't realise the consequences of his actions. Your post is full of knee jerk emotive bile based on presumptions which are as likely to be completely false as they are to be grounded in truth. Perhaps abate your anger until you know the facts of the case before becoming judge and juror with no idea as to what truly happened. . Got to love the oh he might have learning disability excuse!!! Even if he did have or does have learning disability etc he should know at 14 between right and wrong if his parents have the morals to do that assuming!. It sickens me, no excuse at all for a child to do this to animals. I do tend to agree with a previous poster and feel this is another child brought up with bad parenting skills. Maybe once the court system has done nothing to punish him he should be made to work for free at the dog home, let him see the devastation he caused! See the animals he hurt some of which I read have burnt fur etc. No excuse can be made for this kid he is purely a nasty little twat that needs punishing. I see only someone with absolutely no knowledge of or experience with those with severe learning disabilities, nor respect for the challenges they present to everyone involved, nor compassion for anyone who may genuinely suffer from them. " you assume there then don't you!!! Clearly commenting without knowing much about me. You also know nothing about the child your saying he could have this which is why he behaved in such a way and using it as an excuse. Fact is MANY children with learning difficulties live in society as law abiding citizens and learn to live alone in adult life also. It is majorly factored on how they are treated growing up in families and how they are taught to be decent human beings. So let's not say he has these sorts of issues until the facts are there. Either way he did something very wrong and should be punished for it. | |||
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"It is said that you shouldn't stereotype, but I am going to. It's an almost certainty that this little shit is already known to the authorities and is probably from one of the so called 120,000, (as stated by the government), "problem families" within our society. You just know that he probably didn't attend school yesterday and it is likely that he roams the streets until all hours, as part of a semi feral gang with likeminded peers. He will be a local resident and be well aware of the purpose of the building, and that it contained animals within. The statistics show that young people who obtain pleasure from hurting animals, often grow up to inflict suffering on other humans, often resulting in murder. His life is mapped out. No doubt, he will not be named for legal reason and will now be molly cuddled by the so called leftie do gooders at great public expense who all say "poor child". Glad I got that off my chest beacause it makes me so angry !! And it is just as possible that this is a 14 year old with severe learning disabilities and tthe developmental level of a 5 year old that truly didn't realise the consequences of his actions. Your post is full of knee jerk emotive bile based on presumptions which are as likely to be completely false as they are to be grounded in truth. Perhaps abate your anger until you know the facts of the case before becoming judge and juror with no idea as to what truly happened. . Got to love the oh he might have learning disability excuse!!! Even if he did have or does have learning disability etc he should know at 14 between right and wrong if his parents have the morals to do that assuming!. It sickens me, no excuse at all for a child to do this to animals. I do tend to agree with a previous poster and feel this is another child brought up with bad parenting skills. Maybe once the court system has done nothing to punish him he should be made to work for free at the dog home, let him see the devastation he caused! See the animals he hurt some of which I read have burnt fur etc. No excuse can be made for this kid he is purely a nasty little twat that needs punishing. I see only someone with absolutely no knowledge of or experience with those with severe learning disabilities, nor respect for the challenges they present to everyone involved, nor compassion for anyone who may genuinely suffer from them. you assume there then don't you!!! Clearly commenting without knowing much about me. You also know nothing about the child your saying he could have this which is why he behaved in such a way and using it as an excuse. Fact is MANY children with learning difficulties live in society as law abiding citizens and learn to live alone in adult life also. It is majorly factored on how they are treated growing up in families and how they are taught to be decent human beings. So let's not say he has these sorts of issues until the facts are there. Either way he did something very wrong and should be punished for it. " | |||
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"It is said that you shouldn't stereotype, but I am going to. It's an almost certainty that this little shit is already known to the authorities and is probably from one of the so called 120,000, (as stated by the government), "problem families" within our society. You just know that he probably didn't attend school yesterday and it is likely that he roams the streets until all hours, as part of a semi feral gang with likeminded peers. He will be a local resident and be well aware of the purpose of the building, and that it contained animals within. The statistics show that young people who obtain pleasure from hurting animals, often grow up to inflict suffering on other humans, often resulting in murder. His life is mapped out. No doubt, he will not be named for legal reason and will now be molly cuddled by the so called leftie do gooders at great public expense who all say "poor child". Glad I got that off my chest beacause it makes me so angry !! And it is just as possible that this is a 14 year old with severe learning disabilities and tthe developmental level of a 5 year old that truly didn't realise the consequences of his actions. Your post is full of knee jerk emotive bile based on presumptions which are as likely to be completely false as they are to be grounded in truth. Perhaps abate your anger until you know the facts of the case before becoming judge and juror with no idea as to what truly happened. . Got to love the oh he might have learning disability excuse!!! Even if he did have or does have learning disability etc he should know at 14 between right and wrong if his parents have the morals to do that assuming!. It sickens me, no excuse at all for a child to do this to animals. I do tend to agree with a previous poster and feel this is another child brought up with bad parenting skills. Maybe once the court system has done nothing to punish him he should be made to work for free at the dog home, let him see the devastation he caused! See the animals he hurt some of which I read have burnt fur etc. No excuse can be made for this kid he is purely a nasty little twat that needs punishing. I see only someone with absolutely no knowledge of or experience with those with severe learning disabilities, nor respect for the challenges they present to everyone involved, nor compassion for anyone who may genuinely suffer from them. you assume there then don't you!!! Clearly commenting without knowing much about me. You also know nothing about the child your saying he could have this which is why he behaved in such a way and using it as an excuse. Fact is MANY children with learning difficulties live in society as law abiding citizens and learn to live alone in adult life also. It is majorly factored on how they are treated growing up in families and how they are taught to be decent human beings. So let's not say he has these sorts of issues until the facts are there. Either way he did something very wrong and should be punished for it. " Actually, i assumed nothing. I made an informed decision based on the evidence presented within your post. Fact is, yes many people with disabilities do function well within society. It's also a fact that others are unable to understand fully the laws and rules of society. Its also a fact that in my above posts i too stated that when the facts are known then this child should be judged accordingly. I categorically disagree with the 'witch hunt' which has appeared on this thread, though. | |||
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"Whether it's dogs or not, it's still lives that have been lost. The kid should get life and not just a slap on the wrist." I believe he should get a custodial sentence, not only did he put the animals at risk but he also put the lives of the kennel workers, passes by who tried to help and the fire service at risk as well as wasting their time and money going out to a needless fire | |||
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" I see only someone with absolutely no knowledge of or experience with those with severe learning disabilities, nor respect for the challenges they present to everyone involved, nor compassion for anyone who may genuinely suffer from them. Has it been reported that the lad has learning disabilities?" There are hundreds of kids who have learning disabilities who would never dream of doing such a thing, seems now days ever kid who steps out of line has some kid of problem, some kids are just bad behaved through choice | |||
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" I see only someone with absolutely no knowledge of or experience with those with severe learning disabilities, nor respect for the challenges they present to everyone involved, nor compassion for anyone who may genuinely suffer from them. Has it been reported that the lad has learning disabilities? There are hundreds of kids who have learning disabilities who would never dream of doing such a thing, seems now days ever kid who steps out of line has some kid of problem, some kids are just bad behaved through choice" Exactly. It seems to be a lot of presuming the child has a problem rather than him just being a problem child. No one knows yet why / how or what happened but sometimes when something bad happens there are people about who use excuses for it. | |||
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" I see only someone with absolutely no knowledge of or experience with those with severe learning disabilities, nor respect for the challenges they present to everyone involved, nor compassion for anyone who may genuinely suffer from them. Has it been reported that the lad has learning disabilities? There are hundreds of kids who have learning disabilities who would never dream of doing such a thing, seems now days ever kid who steps out of line has some kid of problem, some kids are just bad behaved through choice Exactly. It seems to be a lot of presuming the child has a problem rather than him just being a problem child. No one knows yet why / how or what happened but sometimes when something bad happens there are people about who use excuses for it." To be honest I very much doubt he had learning disabilities, I refuse to believe anyone who had a child with a learning ability that low he does not realise burning down a building is a bad thing would let their child out alone, what next he takes a knife out and stabs someone? Surely you would have such a lad supervised? | |||
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" To be honest I very much doubt he had learning disabilities, I refuse to believe anyone who had a child with a learning ability that low he does not realise burning down a building is a bad thing would let their child out alone, what next he takes a knife out and stabs someone? Surely you would have such a lad supervised? " Exactly | |||
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"Over 100k raised already on justgiving.... some people prize animals more than people! "And some people deserve their place at the bottom of the pecking order.... please feel free to donate YOUR money to the bottom feeders. | |||
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"Whether it's dogs or not, it's still lives that have been lost. The kid should get life and not just a slap on the wrist." Get real!! Life?!?!!!! This place really makes me laugh sometimes! | |||
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"I would love to meet this little walker Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!
A 14 year old is NOT a child! A 14 year old is a teenager and most are sexually mature and capable of producing children!
Maybe if we all started treating out of control teenagers as what they are young men and women not quite adults but NOT children then maybe we would not have so many 20 odd year old adults claiming that 'I didn't mean to kill them' when in childish d*unken temper tantrums they lash out and kill or steal cars and don't have the the self control to pull over when caught but go on rampages smashing anything that gets in their way."What has their sexual maturity for to do with this thread?? Rather odd comment! So you condone acts of violence against school age young people (avoided the.use of the word child there for ya!). | |||
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"Fact the 14 year old is 15. Fact the youth is a local. Fact the police are treating the fire as arson. Fact the family and youth were already know to the police. Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands. Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal: Why the rush to defend the indefensible? and would you be so quick to look for excuses if you, yours or your community were the victims rather than outsiders sitting miles away in front of a computer?" Feel sorry for that little scroat?I would like to douse the little cunt in petrol,strike a match and listen to him squeal.He deserves no less!! | |||
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"Fact the 14 year old is 15. Fact the youth is a local. Fact the police are treating the fire as arson. Fact the family and youth were already know to the police. Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands. Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal: Why the rush to defend the indefensible? and would you be so quick to look for excuses if you, yours or your community were the victims rather than outsiders sitting miles away in front of a computer?" Who has been making excuses for him? Are these the same people you claim are saying he shouldn't face justice? Because you've said people are doing both but I can;t see any posts to that effect. | |||
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"Fact the 14 year old is 15. Fact the youth is a local. Fact the police are treating the fire as arson. Fact the family and youth were already know to the police. Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands. Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal: Why the rush to defend the indefensible? and would you be so quick to look for excuses if you, yours or your community were the victims rather than outsiders sitting miles away in front of a computer? Feel sorry for that little scroat?I would like to douse the little cunt in petrol,strike a match and listen to him squeal.He deserves no less!!" As I said about a similar post before , this makes you as bad if not worse than him. | |||
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"Feel sorry for that little scroat?I would like to douse the little cunt in petrol,strike a match and listen to him squeal.He deserves no less!!" Forgive me for picking your post as there are many others that deserve this response but what disgusts me more than anything on the thread, is that so many who seem to think that vigilante justice (or even talk of it) is somehow appropriate are in the main people who have expressed no sadness at what happened. And that to me speaks volumes. | |||
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"Feel sorry for that little scroat?I would like to douse the little cunt in petrol,strike a match and listen to him squeal.He deserves no less!! Forgive me for picking your post as there are many others that deserve this response but what disgusts me more than anything on the thread, is that so many who seem to think that vigilante justice (or even talk of it) is somehow appropriate are in the main people who have expressed no sadness at what happened. And that to me speaks volumes. " As someone who has rescued many dogs over the years and who wholeheartedly supports Dog Charities I am extremely angry and upset that this little scroat did such a wicked thing so please take your sanctimonious comments and stick em where the sun don't shine! | |||
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"As usual the courts will do fuck all 14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out His parents must be proud I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him. Difference is....saying and doing are entirely different. " Totally agree with you about burning the the little fucking shit. An eye for an eye etc | |||
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"I think the stocks should be brought back for young offenders such as him. A few dozen rotten tomatoes and some dollops of dog shit thrown at him would hurt his pride and humiliate him in front of his peers. Much more effective then an asbo "Or said firework up his arse... | |||
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"As usual the courts will do fuck all 14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out His parents must be proud I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him. Difference is....saying and doing are entirely different. Totally agree with you about burning the the little fucking shit. An eye for an eye etc" OMG seriously!!! burning a 14 year old ~ words fail me, they really do.... | |||
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"Feel sorry for that little scroat?I would like to douse the little cunt in petrol,strike a match and listen to him squeal.He deserves no less!! Forgive me for picking your post as there are many others that deserve this response but what disgusts me more than anything on the thread, is that so many who seem to think that vigilante justice (or even talk of it) is somehow appropriate are in the main people who have expressed no sadness at what happened. And that to me speaks volumes. As someone who has rescued many dogs over the years and who wholeheartedly supports Dog Charities I am extremely angry and upset that this little scroat did such a wicked thing so please take your sanctimonious comments and stick em where the sun don't shine!" Well said | |||
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"As usual the courts will do fuck all 14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out His parents must be proud I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him. Difference is....saying and doing are entirely different. Totally agree with you about burning the the little fucking shit. An eye for an eye etc OMG seriously!!! burning a 14 year old ~ words fail me, they really do.... "What do u suggest then give the little cunt the queens award for bravery | |||
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"Feel sorry for that little scroat?I would like to douse the little cunt in petrol,strike a match and listen to him squeal.He deserves no less!! Forgive me for picking your post as there are many others that deserve this response but what disgusts me more than anything on the thread, is that so many who seem to think that vigilante justice (or even talk of it) is somehow appropriate are in the main people who have expressed no sadness at what happened. And that to me speaks volumes. As someone who has rescued many dogs over the years and who wholeheartedly supports Dog Charities I am extremely angry and upset that this little scroat did such a wicked thing so please take your sanctimonious comments and stick em where the sun don't shine!" | |||
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"As usual the courts will do fuck all 14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out His parents must be proud I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him. Difference is....saying and doing are entirely different. Totally agree with you about burning the the little fucking shit. An eye for an eye etc" An eye for an eye? Are you suggesting that we burn his pet dog alive? | |||
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"As usual the courts will do fuck all 14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out His parents must be proud I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him. Difference is....saying and doing are entirely different. Totally agree with you about burning the the little fucking shit. An eye for an eye etc OMG seriously!!! burning a 14 year old ~ words fail me, they really do....
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"As usual the courts will do fuck all 14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out His parents must be proud I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him. Difference is....saying and doing are entirely different. Totally agree with you about burning the the little fucking shit. An eye for an eye etc OMG seriously!!! burning a 14 year old ~ words fail me, they really do....
What do u suggest then give the little cunt the queens award for bravery"I think most people would suggest letting the courts take the appropriate action. Despite all the comments that he will get off with a slapped wrist arson is always treated seriously. Probably a far more sensible response than suggesting burning him alive. But of course assuming that he will get a slapped wrist then serves as justification for some of the vile and disgusting suggestions on this thread. | |||
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"Fact the 14 year old is 15. Fact the youth is a local. Fact the police are treating the fire as arson. Fact the family and youth were already know to the police. Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands. Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal: Why the rush to defend the indefensible? and would you be so quick to look for excuses if you, yours or your community were the victims rather than outsiders sitting miles away in front of a computer? Who has been making excuses for him? Are these the same people you claim are saying he shouldn't face justice? Because you've said people are doing both but I can;t see any posts to that effect. " Go back through the thread, and make a list... Its a child, they need help, they need treatment not punishment, its the parents fault, they may only have meant to scare the dogs, they may not have know what they were doing, they may have Autism, they may have Aspergers syndrome, they may have a mental illness, they may be retarded... Thats the list of excuses mentioned in this thread that I can remember off the top of my head, I am sure that there are one or two I have missed. also I have been directly accused of espousing physical violence against children. If you go back and read my posts you will find I have said I live about half a mile away from the dogs home, that it was a secure complex and that the youth that set the fire actions had to be premeditated and deliberate. At no time have I mentioned doing violence to the youth. I will admit that I wonder if this would have happened if the youth had had its bottom slapped by a teacher every time it stepped out of line in school. However I fully understand that in this PC liberal 'you have to reach out to the disaffected' society we live in the odd murder of children by other older boys (the Bulger case) or the killing of a teacher or the beating to death of a man by d*unken youths (Warrington a few years ago) is a price that we are willing for others to pay for our liberal _iews. | |||
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"Fact the 14 year old is 15. Fact the youth is a local. Fact the police are treating the fire as arson. Fact the family and youth were already know to the police. Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands. Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal: Why the rush to defend the indefensible? and would you be so quick to look for excuses if you, yours or your community were the victims rather than outsiders sitting miles away in front of a computer? Who has been making excuses for him? Are these the same people you claim are saying he shouldn't face justice? Because you've said people are doing both but I can;t see any posts to that effect. Go back through the thread, and make a list... Its a child, they need help, they need treatment not punishment, its the parents fault, they may only have meant to scare the dogs, they may not have know what they were doing, they may have Autism, they may have Aspergers syndrome, they may have a mental illness, they may be retarded... Thats the list of excuses mentioned in this thread that I can remember off the top of my head, I am sure that there are one or two I have missed. also I have been directly accused of espousing physical violence against children. If you go back and read my posts you will find I have said I live about half a mile away from the dogs home, that it was a secure complex and that the youth that set the fire actions had to be premeditated and deliberate. At no time have I mentioned doing violence to the youth. I will admit that I wonder if this would have happened if the youth had had its bottom slapped by a teacher every time it stepped out of line in school. However I fully understand that in this PC liberal 'you have to reach out to the disaffected' society we live in the odd murder of children by other older boys (the Bulger case) or the killing of a teacher or the beating to death of a man by d*unken youths (Warrington a few years ago) is a price that we are willing for others to pay for our liberal _iews." | |||
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"As usual the courts will do fuck all 14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out His parents must be proud I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him. Difference is....saying and doing are entirely different. Totally agree with you about burning the the little fucking shit. An eye for an eye etc OMG seriously!!! burning a 14 year old ~ words fail me, they really do....
What do u suggest then give the little cunt the queens award for bravery"no I'm not suggesting that at all ~ but If you're suggesting burning a 14 year old boy alive then you're more screwed up than he is. and there's no need to use the word cunt, completely devalues your post. | |||
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"Over a million now donated to the home... "Fantastic news at least there are some decent people in this world. | |||
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"Over a million now donated to the home...
Fantastic news at least there are some decent people in this world."Yes there are.I cant help thinking how terrified those dear dogs must have been. | |||
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"Fact the 14 year old is 15. Fact the youth is a local. Fact the police are treating the fire as arson. Fact the family and youth were already know to the police. Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands. Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal: Why the rush to defend the indefensible? and would you be so quick to look for excuses if you, yours or your community were the victims rather than outsiders sitting miles away in front of a computer? Who has been making excuses for him? Are these the same people you claim are saying he shouldn't face justice? Because you've said people are doing both but I can;t see any posts to that effect. Go back through the thread, and make a list... Its a child, they need help, they need treatment not punishment, its the parents fault, they may only have meant to scare the dogs, they may not have know what they were doing, they may have Autism, they may have Aspergers syndrome, they may have a mental illness, they may be retarded... Thats the list of excuses mentioned in this thread that I can remember off the top of my head, I am sure that there are one or two I have missed. also I have been directly accused of espousing physical violence against children. If you go back and read my posts you will find I have said I live about half a mile away from the dogs home, that it was a secure complex and that the youth that set the fire actions had to be premeditated and deliberate. At no time have I mentioned doing violence to the youth. I will admit that I wonder if this would have happened if the youth had had its bottom slapped by a teacher every time it stepped out of line in school. However I fully understand that in this PC liberal 'you have to reach out to the disaffected' society we live in the odd murder of children by other older boys (the Bulger case) or the killing of a teacher or the beating to death of a man by d*unken youths (Warrington a few years ago) is a price that we are willing for others to pay for our liberal _iews." I can't see that anyone has accused you of personally suggesting violence against the perpertrator.
I don't see that there is anything wrong with suggesting that he needs help as well as punishment.
I can't recall seeing the words aspergers, autism or retarded anywhere on the thread (though it's interesting that you choose those terms) and certainly not in the posts suggeting he may have mental health issues or learning difficulties. Nobody suggested that he had and those posts were only in response to sweeping assumptions about the perpertrator. It seems that the 'burn the cunt alive' posters are well within their rights to make assumption about the childs background and mindset but it's not ok to challenge them.
But the point is that anyone who thinks calling a 14 year old a cunt or even worse advocating burning him alive is a very disturbed individual who needs to take a long hard look at themselves. What that kid did was disgusting and unjustifiable, but some of the posts on this thread are incredibly disturbing and equally unjustifiable | |||
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"Over a million now donated to the home...
Fantastic news at least there are some decent people in this world.
Yes there are.I cant help thinking how terrified those dear dogs must have been."Show the love most of us have for our 4 legged friends in this country | |||
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"Over a million now donated to the home...
Fantastic news at least there are some decent people in this world.
Yes there are.I cant help thinking how terrified those dear dogs must have been."Yes me too, some people don't seem too bothered by it though.  | |||
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"Fact the 14 year old is 15. Fact the youth is a local. Fact the police are treating the fire as arson. Fact the family and youth were already know to the police. Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands. Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal: Why the rush to defend the indefensible? and would you be so quick to look for excuses if you, yours or your community were the victims rather than outsiders sitting miles away in front of a computer? Who has been making excuses for him? Are these the same people you claim are saying he shouldn't face justice? Because you've said people are doing both but I can;t see any posts to that effect. Go back through the thread, and make a list... Its a child, they need help, they need treatment not punishment, its the parents fault, they may only have meant to scare the dogs, they may not have know what they were doing, they may have Autism, they may have Aspergers syndrome, they may have a mental illness, they may be retarded... Thats the list of excuses mentioned in this thread that I can remember off the top of my head, I am sure that there are one or two I have missed. also I have been directly accused of espousing physical violence against children. If you go back and read my posts you will find I have said I live about half a mile away from the dogs home, that it was a secure complex and that the youth that set the fire actions had to be premeditated and deliberate. At no time have I mentioned doing violence to the youth. I will admit that I wonder if this would have happened if the youth had had its bottom slapped by a teacher every time it stepped out of line in school. However I fully understand that in this PC liberal 'you have to reach out to the disaffected' society we live in the odd murder of children by other older boys (the Bulger case) or the killing of a teacher or the beating to death of a man by d*unken youths (Warrington a few years ago) is a price that we are willing for others to pay for our liberal _iews. I can't see that anyone has accused you of personally suggesting violence against the perpertrator.
I don't see that there is anything wrong with suggesting that he needs help as well as punishment.
I can't recall seeing the words aspergers, autism or retarded anywhere on the thread (though it's interesting that you choose those terms) and certainly not in the posts suggeting he may have mental health issues or learning difficulties. Nobody suggested that he had and those posts were only in response to sweeping assumptions about the perpertrator. It seems that the 'burn the cunt alive' posters are well within their rights to make assumption about the childs background and mindset but it's not ok to challenge them.
But the point is that anyone who thinks calling a 14 year old a cunt or even worse advocating burning him alive is a very disturbed individual who needs to take a long hard look at themselves. What that kid did was disgusting and unjustifiable, but some of the posts on this thread are incredibly disturbing and equally unjustifiable"If he had burnt 50 humans to death I bet u would have a different _iew of the situation then | |||
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Fantastic news at least there are some decent people in this world."There are, my dog is a rescue dog, it really upset me how all those dogs had been burnt alive. | |||
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"Fact the 14 year old is 15. Fact the youth is a local. Fact the police are treating the fire as arson. Fact the family and youth were already know to the police. Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands. Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal: Why the rush to defend the indefensible? and would you be so quick to look for excuses if you, yours or your community were the victims rather than outsiders sitting miles away in front of a computer? Who has been making excuses for him? Are these the same people you claim are saying he shouldn't face justice? Because you've said people are doing both but I can;t see any posts to that effect. Go back through the thread, and make a list... Its a child, they need help, they need treatment not punishment, its the parents fault, they may only have meant to scare the dogs, they may not have know what they were doing, they may have Autism, they may have Aspergers syndrome, they may have a mental illness, they may be retarded... Thats the list of excuses mentioned in this thread that I can remember off the top of my head, I am sure that there are one or two I have missed. also I have been directly accused of espousing physical violence against children. If you go back and read my posts you will find I have said I live about half a mile away from the dogs home, that it was a secure complex and that the youth that set the fire actions had to be premeditated and deliberate. At no time have I mentioned doing violence to the youth. I will admit that I wonder if this would have happened if the youth had had its bottom slapped by a teacher every time it stepped out of line in school. However I fully understand that in this PC liberal 'you have to reach out to the disaffected' society we live in the odd murder of children by other older boys (the Bulger case) or the killing of a teacher or the beating to death of a man by d*unken youths (Warrington a few years ago) is a price that we are willing for others to pay for our liberal _iews. I can't see that anyone has accused you of personally suggesting violence against the perpertrator.
I don't see that there is anything wrong with suggesting that he needs help as well as punishment.
I can't recall seeing the words aspergers, autism or retarded anywhere on the thread (though it's interesting that you choose those terms) and certainly not in the posts suggeting he may have mental health issues or learning difficulties. Nobody suggested that he had and those posts were only in response to sweeping assumptions about the perpertrator. It seems that the 'burn the cunt alive' posters are well within their rights to make assumption about the childs background and mindset but it's not ok to challenge them.
But the point is that anyone who thinks calling a 14 year old a cunt or even worse advocating burning him alive is a very disturbed individual who needs to take a long hard look at themselves. What that kid did was disgusting and unjustifiable, but some of the posts on this thread are incredibly disturbing and equally unjustifiable
If he had burnt 50 humans to death I bet u would have a different _iew of the situation then"I can catagorically state that whatever he or anyone else had done I would not be advocating burning someone alive as a suitable punishment. No crime justifies it. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind | |||
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" I see only someone with absolutely no knowledge of or experience with those with severe learning disabilities, nor respect for the challenges they present to everyone involved, nor compassion for anyone who may genuinely suffer from them. Has it been reported that the lad has learning disabilities?" . No it has not!! | |||
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"Fact the 14 year old is 15. Fact the youth is a local. Fact the police are treating the fire as arson. Fact the family and youth were already know to the police. Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands. Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal: Why the rush to defend the indefensible? and would you be so quick to look for excuses if you, yours or your community were the victims rather than outsiders sitting miles away in front of a computer? Who has been making excuses for him? Are these the same people you claim are saying he shouldn't face justice? Because you've said people are doing both but I can;t see any posts to that effect. Go back through the thread, and make a list... Its a child, they need help, they need treatment not punishment, its the parents fault, they may only have meant to scare the dogs, they may not have know what they were doing, they may have Autism, they may have Aspergers syndrome, they may have a mental illness, they may be retarded... Thats the list of excuses mentioned in this thread that I can remember off the top of my head, I am sure that there are one or two I have missed. also I have been directly accused of espousing physical violence against children. If you go back and read my posts you will find I have said I live about half a mile away from the dogs home, that it was a secure complex and that the youth that set the fire actions had to be premeditated and deliberate. At no time have I mentioned doing violence to the youth. I will admit that I wonder if this would have happened if the youth had had its bottom slapped by a teacher every time it stepped out of line in school. However I fully understand that in this PC liberal 'you have to reach out to the disaffected' society we live in the odd murder of children by other older boys (the Bulger case) or the killing of a teacher or the beating to death of a man by d*unken youths (Warrington a few years ago) is a price that we are willing for others to pay for our liberal _iews. I can't see that anyone has accused you of personally suggesting violence against the perpertrator.
I don't see that there is anything wrong with suggesting that he needs help as well as punishment.
I can't recall seeing the words aspergers, autism or retarded anywhere on the thread (though it's interesting that you choose those terms) and certainly not in the posts suggeting he may have mental health issues or learning difficulties. Nobody suggested that he had and those posts were only in response to sweeping assumptions about the perpertrator. It seems that the 'burn the cunt alive' posters are well within their rights to make assumption about the childs background and mindset but it's not ok to challenge them.
But the point is that anyone who thinks calling a 14 year old a cunt or even worse advocating burning him alive is a very disturbed individual who needs to take a long hard look at themselves. What that kid did was disgusting and unjustifiable, but some of the posts on this thread are incredibly disturbing and equally unjustifiable
If he had burnt 50 humans to death I bet u would have a different _iew of the situation then"no I wouldn't have a different _iew, 'an eye for an eye' mentality takes us back to the dark ages. and for the record all my dogs have been from rescue centres & it sickens me to the core that they suffered so horribly but I still don't advocate burning to death a person. | |||
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"There was a report in the news where one described he could hear the dogs screaming....that sent shivers up my spine.." . I saw that too, just destroys me!. Can't bear thinking about. | |||
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" Feel sorry for that little scroat?I would like to douse the little cunt in petrol,strike a match and listen to him squeal.He deserves no less!!" What he 'deserves' is to be dealt with under the law of the land as you would be were you to get caught breaking other laws.. that's what makes us a 'civilised' society and civilised societies will still have individuals carrying out disgusting and reprehensible acts as whoever set the fire.. you need to take a look at yourself if you think it appropriate to do what you have said.. | |||
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"Fact the 14 year old is 15. Fact the youth is a local. Fact the police are treating the fire as arson. Fact the family and youth were already know to the police. Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands. Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal: Why the rush to defend the indefensible? and would you be so quick to look for excuses if you, yours or your community were the victims rather than outsiders sitting miles away in front of a computer? Feel sorry for that little scroat?I would like to douse the little cunt in petrol,strike a match and listen to him squeal.He deserves no less!!" Wow what a lovely person you are. | |||
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