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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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From the Telegraph late last year.
"Official figures show the number of cases registered has increased by almost 20 per cent in just one year - and by 80 per cent since 2008.
Latest forecasts suggest the bill for negligence will soon reach £19 billion - almost one fifth of the total NHS budget.
In total 16,006 patients or bereaved relatives lodged claims against the health service during 2012/13, compared with 13,517 the previous year, a rise of 18.4 per cent."
So yes - it seems there's many that have experience. Plus with all the claims company ambulance chasing solicitors out there - I suspect it will only get worse and make it harder for genuine cases to be successful.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Also I know of a friend that's suing for her dad. He had a simple op and is left brain damaged. They have been suing for the last 3years and still no where near getting an outcome |
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And the reason a lot of negligence happens is due to over worked staff due to heavy case loads, working beyond their roles and over their paid hours. This is due to lack of finance in the nhs.
Suing will not improve things but will make things worse  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And the reason a lot of negligence happens is due to over worked staff due to heavy case loads, working beyond their roles and over their paid hours. This is due to lack of finance in the nhs.
Suing will not improve things but will make things worse "
So if someone is left with an impairment that will leave them needing specialist equipment, adapting their home, losing their job are you saying that they should pay for this themselves when the damage has been caused by someone's negligence? If the damage had been caused by a road traffic accident we wouldn't think twice about making a claim. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And the reason a lot of negligence happens is due to over worked staff due to heavy case loads, working beyond their roles and over their paid hours. This is due to lack of finance in the nhs.
Suing will not improve things but will make things worse "
You may be right but some people need to sue. My friends dad was left brain damaged from what was supposed to be a simple operation. He can no longer lead a normal life nor work. He has a mortgage and they are only able to cover the interest each month, they are suing to make his life easier and why shouldn't they?! That mistake should never have happened
Same as my brother he was treated by
A gp that the hospital employed as a consultant. He was never qualified to do what he did yet he diagnosed children with epilepsy, treated them with medicine that they are now unable to get off and it turns out alot of them just suffered with migraines. That is not a mistake, the hospital and doctor both knew what they were doing wrong |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And the reason a lot of negligence happens is due to over worked staff due to heavy case loads, working beyond their roles and over their paid hours. This is due to lack of finance in the nhs.
Suing will not improve things but will make things worse
So if someone is left with an impairment that will leave them needing specialist equipment, adapting their home, losing their job are you saying that they should pay for this themselves when the damage has been caused by someone's negligence? If the damage had been caused by a road traffic accident we wouldn't think twice about making a claim. "
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"And the reason a lot of negligence happens is due to over worked staff due to heavy case loads, working beyond their roles and over their paid hours. This is due to lack of finance in the nhs.
Suing will not improve things but will make things worse "
Try saying that when their mistake caused you to cremate your son |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Have you asked Patient Liason Advice for some guidance or answers to your treatment ?
thanks will try that"
There is usually a PALS based in each hospital, or a contact number. It can sometimes help get some answers and peace of mind, in a non-confrontational way. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And the reason a lot of negligence happens is due to over worked staff due to heavy case loads, working beyond their roles and over their paid hours. This is due to lack of finance in the nhs.
Suing will not improve things but will make things worse "
I hope you never have the need to sue for medical negligence!!!
It took my family 8 years to get a result and they settled the day before the trial. |
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"We thought about suing after losing our little girl but decided against it. "
Depends the circumstances i for my sons sake cant just sick back and allow what happend to just be sweeped under the carpet, not even sure i want money, i want them to admit fault |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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"We thought about suing after losing our little girl but decided against it.
Depends the circumstances i for my sons sake cant just sick back and allow what happend to just be sweeped under the carpet, not even sure i want money, i want them to admit fault "
I think a lot of people feel the same way, when things are called into question. |
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By *overs14Couple
over a year ago
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"We thought about suing after losing our little girl but decided against it.
Depends the circumstances i for my sons sake cant just sick back and allow what happend to just be sweeped under the carpet, not even sure i want money, i want them to admit fault "
Can I ask what happened? Sorry if you've already said as I haven't read the whole thread x |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"We thought about suing after losing our little girl but decided against it.
Depends the circumstances i for my sons sake cant just sick back and allow what happend to just be sweeped under the carpet, not even sure i want money, i want them to admit fault "
An apology is what most people want. Hospitals and professionals are advised to not apologise as that could lead to a suit. It's a terrible circle and ends up with people suing to get an apology.
I have a friend going through this right now. I know if the hospital and the senior nurse in question gave an apology she would not want to sue but she now feels she has to get justice.
Good luck. It's a long road.
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"We thought about suing after losing our little girl but decided against it.
Depends the circumstances i for my sons sake cant just sick back and allow what happend to just be sweeped under the carpet, not even sure i want money, i want them to admit fault
An apology is what most people want. Hospitals and professionals are advised to not apologise as that could lead to a suit. It's a terrible circle and ends up with people suing to get an apology.
I have a friend going through this right now. I know if the hospital and the senior nurse in question gave an apology she would not want to sue but she now feels she has to get justice.
Good luck. It's a long road.
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Thanks, i am unsure of what i want from it, but i as a mother know i am right, and the speed they fed my premature son isnt right and caused his condition which killed him |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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Good luck. It's a long road.
Thanks, i am unsure of what i want from it, but i as a mother know i am right, and the speed they fed my premature son isnt right and caused his condition which killed him "
I had a premature son who died too. I went through similar feelings. I didn't sue because above all else I felt they had cared and tried to save him. I couldn't be sure that he wouldn't have died anyway.
You know what you are feeling. Get in touch with SANDS too and get some support.
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Good luck. It's a long road.
Thanks, i am unsure of what i want from it, but i as a mother know i am right, and the speed they fed my premature son isnt right and caused his condition which killed him
I had a premature son who died too. I went through similar feelings. I didn't sue because above all else I felt they had cared and tried to save him. I couldn't be sure that he wouldn't have died anyway.
You know what you are feeling. Get in touch with SANDS too and get some support.
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I dont, nurses never recorded vital notes of him being sick so it looked as though he was tolerating milk and wasnt, not to sound bad but please dont make me sound like i am just grieving and looking for someone to blame coz that is not true, the consultant has even said if he could go back he would have done things differently |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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Good luck. It's a long road.
Thanks, i am unsure of what i want from it, but i as a mother know i am right, and the speed they fed my premature son isnt right and caused his condition which killed him
I had a premature son who died too. I went through similar feelings. I didn't sue because above all else I felt they had cared and tried to save him. I couldn't be sure that he wouldn't have died anyway.
You know what you are feeling. Get in touch with SANDS too and get some support.
I dont, nurses never recorded vital notes of him being sick so it looked as though he was tolerating milk and wasnt, not to sound bad but please dont make me sound like i am just grieving and looking for someone to blame coz that is not true, the consultant has even said if he could go back he would have done things differently "
I'm sorry - I didn't intend for you to feel that I was suggesting you are just grieving. Of course you are grieving. Of course you know what happened with your child and I don't.
Do contact SANDS and see if they have someone who can help you. Having someone in your corner as you go through this makes a difference. It's a long hard road and I feel for you.
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Good luck. It's a long road.
Thanks, i am unsure of what i want from it, but i as a mother know i am right, and the speed they fed my premature son isnt right and caused his condition which killed him
I had a premature son who died too. I went through similar feelings. I didn't sue because above all else I felt they had cared and tried to save him. I couldn't be sure that he wouldn't have died anyway.
You know what you are feeling. Get in touch with SANDS too and get some support.
I dont, nurses never recorded vital notes of him being sick so it looked as though he was tolerating milk and wasnt, not to sound bad but please dont make me sound like i am just grieving and looking for someone to blame coz that is not true, the consultant has even said if he could go back he would have done things differently
I'm sorry - I didn't intend for you to feel that I was suggesting you are just grieving. Of course you are grieving. Of course you know what happened with your child and I don't.
Do contact SANDS and see if they have someone who can help you. Having someone in your corner as you go through this makes a difference. It's a long hard road and I feel for you.
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Thanks, i have my family though too and am more than capable of scrutinising every word they say so i will just see how the next appt goes |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And the reason a lot of negligence happens is due to over worked staff due to heavy case loads, working beyond their roles and over their paid hours. This is due to lack of finance in the nhs.
Suing will not improve things but will make things worse "
my relative is a nurse and wouldn't dream of giving anything less then excellent care regardless how overworked, underpaid, whether she was working over her role or had a case load too big. They are terrible excuses for negligent behaviour. |
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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago
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It's a hugely emotive subject...I'm not for suing because someone stubbed a toe and had a few weeks discomfort, however I have a friend whose full term child was born dead due to medical negligence (case won easily) and another friend who is currently in a Manchester hospital after our local hospital nipped her bowel during routine surgery causing huge complications (case just started)... I do think that the blame culture we have means that it's far too easy to bung a claim in and that means that genuine claims get a bad press |
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"Hope it all goes well. My daughter died just before she was due to be born. I can't imagine how it would feel to have a baby born and then lose it. "
Its brutal, but i also cant imagine your situation either?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm a nurse and medical negligence is always an emotive subject.
There are usually a catalogue of errors in a case that lead to sometimes the worst outcome and lots of other factors,
But as much as we work our ass off ( I am a stroke nurse) mistakes and errors happen in the nhs and should be reported and made answerable every time.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I like many others have lost someone close through the ongoing negligence of the nhs we didnt take it further maybe we shuld of. The bottom line is that the system is fucked! too many people either in jobs that they are not capable of doing and it seams to me too many people who just dont care enough!
it doesn't stop at the nhs the government funding in this country is massively miss spent. im not saying that better wages would suddenly make people good at there jobs but it would attract the people who are good at what they do. im afraid that its way too late for just a pay rise tho, this is just the start England is a sinking ship my fab friends its been going down for ages!!
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"We thought about suing after losing our little girl but decided against it. "
Same here after a blunder led to the death of my son. After thinking it through we decided that no amount of money could compensate us for the death of our baby and what would we do with the money anyway? Take a fabulous holiday? Buy a car? It would have felt like blood money so we didn't pursue it.
In cases where someone has lost their ability to earn a living or need adaptations to their house then I feel they have every right to sue. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We thought about suing after losing our little girl but decided against it.
Depends the circumstances i for my sons sake cant just sick back and allow what happend to just be sweeped under the carpet, not even sure i want money, i want them to admit fault
An apology is what most people want. Hospitals and professionals are advised to not apologise as that could lead to a suit. It's a terrible circle and ends up with people suing to get an apology.
I have a friend going through this right now. I know if the hospital and the senior nurse in question gave an apology she would not want to sue but she now feels she has to get justice.
Good luck. It's a long road.
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They dont always apologise even when they have settled a negligence claim and paid substantial amounts of compensation! The medical professionals involved should be struck off if a case has been settled by them! If I fucked up in my job, I would get the sack but fucking up in my job doesn't ruin peoples lives. Their mistakes do! |
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"And the reason a lot of negligence happens is due to over worked staff due to heavy case loads, working beyond their roles and over their paid hours. This is due to lack of finance in the nhs.
Suing will not improve things but will make things worse
my relative is a nurse and wouldn't dream of giving anything less then excellent care regardless how overworked, underpaid, whether she was working over her role or had a case load too big. They are terrible excuses for negligent behaviour. "
So if her workload comprises 15 hours of work to cram into her 8 hour shift, how exactly is she going to do that? I don't believe any medical professional goes to work thinking 'I'm going to give crap care today', but the fact remains that while all nurses and doctors have their patients best interests at heart, overwork often prevents this. It's worse in some trusts more than others too, so perhaps your relative is fortunate to work in one of the better ones?!
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"And the reason a lot of negligence happens is due to over worked staff due to heavy case loads, working beyond their roles and over their paid hours. This is due to lack of finance in the nhs.
Suing will not improve things but will make things worse
my relative is a nurse and wouldn't dream of giving anything less then excellent care regardless how overworked, underpaid, whether she was working over her role or had a case load too big. They are terrible excuses for negligent behaviour.
So if her workload comprises 15 hours of work to cram into her 8 hour shift, how exactly is she going to do that? I don't believe any medical professional goes to work thinking 'I'm going to give crap care today', but the fact remains that while all nurses and doctors have their patients best interests at heart, overwork often prevents this. It's worse in some trusts more than others too, so perhaps your relative is fortunate to work in one of the better ones?!
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Not all medical professionals do have the patients best interests at heart. Until you have suffered at the hands of medical negligence you have no idea how you would feel |
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"And the reason a lot of negligence happens is due to over worked staff due to heavy case loads, working beyond their roles and over their paid hours. This is due to lack of finance in the nhs.
Suing will not improve things but will make things worse
my relative is a nurse and wouldn't dream of giving anything less then excellent care regardless how overworked, underpaid, whether she was working over her role or had a case load too big. They are terrible excuses for negligent behaviour.
So if her workload comprises 15 hours of work to cram into her 8 hour shift, how exactly is she going to do that? I don't believe any medical professional goes to work thinking 'I'm going to give crap care today', but the fact remains that while all nurses and doctors have their patients best interests at heart, overwork often prevents this. It's worse in some trusts more than others too, so perhaps your relative is fortunate to work in one of the better ones?!
Not all medical professionals do have the patients best interests at heart. Until you have suffered at the hands of medical negligence you have no idea how you would feel"
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"And the reason a lot of negligence happens is due to over worked staff due to heavy case loads, working beyond their roles and over their paid hours. This is due to lack of finance in the nhs.
Suing will not improve things but will make things worse
Try saying that when their mistake caused you to cremate your son "
I don't think she meant everyone should stop. Like yourself and the OP who have been seriously grieved yes! Yes you should. But for someone who's just trying to make some money then they should think twice. Our doctors and nurses are over worked and underpaid. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And the reason a lot of negligence happens is due to over worked staff due to heavy case loads, working beyond their roles and over their paid hours. This is due to lack of finance in the nhs.
Suing will not improve things but will make things worse "
compensation comes from individual trusts x so it does take money away from tje nhs x but i think if there are reasons then they should be answereable. I work for the nhs. A relative made a complaint to me about another nhs service and i escalated it. It was the first time their complaint was taken seriously. The band 8 nurse still defended her position. Instead of puttng herself in the patients position.
Patients are so vulnerable so they need an advocate. But complaints etc dont change whats happened and dont bring that person back.
I put my patients at the centre of what i do. N i dont get side tracked by anyone elses agendas.
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"And the reason a lot of negligence happens is due to over worked staff due to heavy case loads, working beyond their roles and over their paid hours. This is due to lack of finance in the nhs.
Suing will not improve things but will make things worse
Try saying that when their mistake caused you to cremate your son
I don't think she meant everyone should stop. Like yourself and the OP who have been seriously grieved yes! Yes you should. But for someone who's just trying to make some money then they should think twice. Our doctors and nurses are over worked and underpaid. "
They are but i am training to be a nurse! She said the statement in general u dont know who she meant and didnt mean tbh |
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"And the reason a lot of negligence happens is due to over worked staff due to heavy case loads, working beyond their roles and over their paid hours. This is due to lack of finance in the nhs.
Suing will not improve things but will make things worse "
I agree with you to a certain extent. However although I work for the NHS and a passionate supporter of it. At times bad practice is best brought to light this way.
For example if you were to give birth to an expected healthy child who was brain damaged through proven bad practice, what would you do? |
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"And the reason a lot of negligence happens is due to over worked staff due to heavy case loads, working beyond their roles and over their paid hours. This is due to lack of finance in the nhs.
Suing will not improve things but will make things worse
compensation comes from individual trusts x so it does take money away from tje nhs x but i think if there are reasons then they should be answereable. I work for the nhs. A relative made a complaint to me about another nhs service and i escalated it. It was the first time their complaint was taken seriously. The band 8 nurse still defended her position. Instead of puttng herself in the patients position.
Patients are so vulnerable so they need an advocate. But complaints etc dont change whats happened and dont bring that person back.
I put my patients at the centre of what i do. N i dont get side tracked by anyone elses agendas.
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Yes, the NHS has saved my life post birth for which I am forever grateful for.I was very lucky however because I was treated in a central London teaching hospital with world renowned specialists in my condition that was triggered by pregnancy.
Therefore I would NEVER knock it.....
As in any service though always bear in mind that there are also arseholes who think its more important to look good rather than roll their sleeves up and actually work as a member of the team. Such as 'super' nurses, Dr's ect who like the glory but don't actually pull their weight - therefore putting even further stress on staff. |
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What I meant by my post is a lot of people jump on the bandwagon and try and get what they can from the nhs.
In some cases yes it is the right option, especially if needed to fund care etc.
I have also had bad care from nhs and it's most likely contributed to the fact that I am most likely now infertile.
I'm not saying issues shouldn't be addressed I am all for the complaints procedure, however personally I would rather that money went back in the NHS for further training and more staff.
I probably worded my earlier response wrong and I apologise as of course some people would need the finance to live with the outcome of the negligence.
I see it both sides as I used to work for the nhs (heard the old I pay your wages crap come out of peoples mouths when they had to wait to be seen) and I've had negligence from the Nhs. Personally if it was a private money making company and not the nhs I would of probably taken my own case further.
My biggest concern is the more money the nhs looses is the more chance of it going into privatisation which believe me it's the last thing this country wants |
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Yes it was very simple and done on the advise of the hospital though I would say the payment at the end was not worth bothering with but at least I got an apology and they accepted they had been negligent |
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By (user no longer on site)
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And I will just add that I believe all nurses always try and give excellent care but it's so frustrating when whatever you do you can't give the care you want to give, that's why I left the nhs to work in a hospice as it meant I finally had time to care for my patients and could give them the care everyone deserves. |
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My daughter had a hysterectomy at 18 due to a twat of a doctor that seemed more interested at putting my concerns down that actually doing his job, because of him my daughter will never have children, personally I would drag him through every court in the land for his arrogance and bad practice but my daughter wont as she says it wont change anything
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By (user no longer on site)
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I can assist if needed. Although i no longer work within the field. I've enjoyed my time suing and bringing my clients a good sum of compensation.
It's not easy. Time and patience is required. But, can be done quick if the right cards are played.
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It is so emotive. In terms of practicalities, the NHS has no compensation insurance. It has to budget for annual claims. It usually defends claims up to trial as that seems to be the deemed financial best policy. You are therefore unlikely to get any offer of settlement until you get to the doors of the court. |
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"It is so emotive. In terms of practicalities, the NHS has no compensation insurance. It has to budget for annual claims. It usually defends claims up to trial as that seems to be the deemed financial best policy. You are therefore unlikely to get any offer of settlement until you get to the doors of the court."
This is so TRUE!! |
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I believe that the majority of people who have lost someone whilst they were in the care of the NHS start out with the intent of seeking justice and making sure mistakes/errors/ whatever doesn't happen to anyone else.
However, I also believe once the £-signs are waving around many seem to lose their honourable intentions. I believe this because of the teeny tiny percentage of big claim winners who then donate money back to the NHS to invest in improving care.
The money won't bring someone back..... taking it may well take someone else. |
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"I believe that the majority of people who have lost someone whilst they were in the care of the NHS start out with the intent of seeking justice and making sure mistakes/errors/ whatever doesn't happen to anyone else.
However, I also believe once the £-signs are waving around many seem to lose their honourable intentions. I believe this because of the teeny tiny percentage of big claim winners who then donate money back to the NHS to invest in improving care.
The money won't bring someone back..... taking it may well take someone else."
What about those whose loved ones have been left permanently severely disabled? Are they just interested in the £ signs? |
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"I believe that the majority of people who have lost someone whilst they were in the care of the NHS start out with the intent of seeking justice and making sure mistakes/errors/ whatever doesn't happen to anyone else.
However, I also believe once the £-signs are waving around many seem to lose their honourable intentions. I believe this because of the teeny tiny percentage of big claim winners who then donate money back to the NHS to invest in improving care.
The money won't bring someone back..... taking it may well take someone else."
Mistakes and errors will keep happening when those medical professionals who have caused catastrophic errors are still allowed to practice and are not struck off! |
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"And the reason a lot of negligence happens is due to over worked staff due to heavy case loads, working beyond their roles and over their paid hours. This is due to lack of finance in the nhs.
Suing will not improve things but will make things worse "
And for some it's a simple case of some fuckwitted Locum not listening to what you say. Maybe their PI insurance having to pay out £25k will make him listen in future. |
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"I believe that the majority of people who have lost someone whilst they were in the care of the NHS start out with the intent of seeking justice and making sure mistakes/errors/ whatever doesn't happen to anyone else.
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I make you right on that. In my case all I wanted was an apology, an acknowledgement that they'd made a mistake. All I got was closing ranks, then you think, fuck it, show me the money. All they seemed interested in my case, once they realised that I would win, is inserting a confidentiality clause. I refused and actually ended up with a lower settlement because I wouldn't agree to it. |
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"I believe that the majority of people who have lost someone whilst they were in the care of the NHS start out with the intent of seeking justice and making sure mistakes/errors/ whatever doesn't happen to anyone else.
However, I also believe once the £-signs are waving around many seem to lose their honourable intentions. I believe this because of the teeny tiny percentage of big claim winners who then donate money back to the NHS to invest in improving care.
The money won't bring someone back..... taking it may well take someone else.
What about those whose loved ones have been left permanently severely disabled? Are they just interested in the £ signs?"
What about them?
If I wanted the point I was making to include people left with disabilities..... don't you think I would have said so?  |
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"I believe that the majority of people who have lost someone whilst they were in the care of the NHS start out with the intent of seeking justice and making sure mistakes/errors/ whatever doesn't happen to anyone else.
However, I also believe once the £-signs are waving around many seem to lose their honourable intentions. I believe this because of the teeny tiny percentage of big claim winners who then donate money back to the NHS to invest in improving care.
The money won't bring someone back..... taking it may well take someone else.
What about those whose loved ones have been left permanently severely disabled? Are they just interested in the £ signs?
What about them?
If I wanted the point I was making to include people left with disabilities..... don't you think I would have said so? "
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"I believe that the majority of people who have lost someone whilst they were in the care of the NHS start out with the intent of seeking justice and making sure mistakes/errors/ whatever doesn't happen to anyone else.
However, I also believe once the £-signs are waving around many seem to lose their honourable intentions. I believe this because of the teeny tiny percentage of big claim winners who then donate money back to the NHS to invest in improving care.
The money won't bring someone back..... taking it may well take someone else.
What about those whose loved ones have been left permanently severely disabled? Are they just interested in the £ signs?
What about them?
If I wanted the point I was making to include people left with disabilities..... don't you think I would have said so?
Do you eat babies for breakfast?"
Are you offering to cook one or just demonstrating the limits of your intelligence?
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"I believe that the majority of people who have lost someone whilst they were in the care of the NHS start out with the intent of seeking justice and making sure mistakes/errors/ whatever doesn't happen to anyone else.
However, I also believe once the £-signs are waving around many seem to lose their honourable intentions. I believe this because of the teeny tiny percentage of big claim winners who then donate money back to the NHS to invest in improving care.
The money won't bring someone back..... taking it may well take someone else.
What about those whose loved ones have been left permanently severely disabled? Are they just interested in the £ signs?
What about them?
If I wanted the point I was making to include people left with disabilities..... don't you think I would have said so?
Do you eat babies for breakfast?
Are you offering to cook one or just demonstrating the limits of your intelligence?
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My intelligence isn't limited at all, although you clearly feel it is and feel the need to question it which you are more than entitled to do. It's just that I don't think I've ever read a comment of yours on a thread that wasn't either sarcastic, bitter or caustic in some way and wondered whether there was a reason for it? In hindsight, maybe I should have worded my previous post in a more articulate manner? |
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"I believe that the majority of people who have lost someone whilst they were in the care of the NHS start out with the intent of seeking justice and making sure mistakes/errors/ whatever doesn't happen to anyone else.
However, I also believe once the £-signs are waving around many seem to lose their honourable intentions. I believe this because of the teeny tiny percentage of big claim winners who then donate money back to the NHS to invest in improving care.
The money won't bring someone back..... taking it may well take someone else.
What about those whose loved ones have been left permanently severely disabled? Are they just interested in the £ signs?
What about them?
If I wanted the point I was making to include people left with disabilities..... don't you think I would have said so?
Do you eat babies for breakfast?
Are you offering to cook one or just demonstrating the limits of your intelligence?
My intelligence isn't limited at all, although you clearly feel it is and feel the need to question it which you are more than entitled to do. It's just that I don't think I've ever read a comment of yours on a thread that wasn't either sarcastic, bitter or caustic in some way and wondered whether there was a reason for it? In hindsight, maybe I should have worded my previous post in a more articulate manner? "
Ohhhhhh.... this is about all of my posts, not just this thread. I see
I'd return the favour and comment on your posts... but I can't say I have given them that much attention. |
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"I believe that the majority of people who have lost someone whilst they were in the care of the NHS start out with the intent of seeking justice and making sure mistakes/errors/ whatever doesn't happen to anyone else.
However, I also believe once the £-signs are waving around many seem to lose their honourable intentions. I believe this because of the teeny tiny percentage of big claim winners who then donate money back to the NHS to invest in improving care.
The money won't bring someone back..... taking it may well take someone else.
What about those whose loved ones have been left permanently severely disabled? Are they just interested in the £ signs?
What about them?
If I wanted the point I was making to include people left with disabilities..... don't you think I would have said so?
Do you eat babies for breakfast?
Are you offering to cook one or just demonstrating the limits of your intelligence?
My intelligence isn't limited at all, although you clearly feel it is and feel the need to question it which you are more than entitled to do. It's just that I don't think I've ever read a comment of yours on a thread that wasn't either sarcastic, bitter or caustic in some way and wondered whether there was a reason for it? In hindsight, maybe I should have worded my previous post in a more articulate manner?
Ohhhhhh.... this is about all of my posts, not just this thread. I see
I'd return the favour and comment on your posts... but I can't say I have given them that much attention."
Oh please, it's not attention l have been giving you, merely an observation. I can't explain why, but on here you do seem to remember those who have a forked tongue for some reason. |
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Oh please, it's not attention l have been giving you, merely an observation. I can't explain why, but on here you do seem to remember those who have a forked tongue for some reason."
You're not good at taking hints are you? OK.... You've gone well off track!
I posted my opinion, you didn't like it.... big deal, I'll get over it.
Feel free to criticise me in another thread... feel free to criticise me in every thread... but have the good grace to let this one go back on track.
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Oh please, it's not attention l have been giving you, merely an observation. I can't explain why, but on here you do seem to remember those who have a forked tongue for some reason.
You're not good at taking hints are you? OK.... You've gone well off track!
I posted my opinion, you didn't like it.... big deal, I'll get over it.
Feel free to criticise me in another thread... feel free to criticise me in every thread... but have the good grace to let this one go back on track.
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You are right. I have gone off track and I apologise to the OP. And as I have had the good grace to let this go, maybe you could have the good grace to sound a tad more happy, cheerful and endearing in some of your posts? Just a suggestion, no need for a response. |
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"Does compensation come from the money allocated to the running of the NHS or insurance either that of individual medical professionals or hospitals?"
In my case I sued the Practice and it was paid by an insurance company. |
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"Does compensation come from the money allocated to the running of the NHS or insurance either that of individual medical professionals or hospitals?
In my case I sued the Practice and it was paid by an insurance company."
I wonder how that impacts on the argument that compensation payouts have a direct effect on the care the NHS provide. I assume that medical professionals will always have to have insurance. |
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My mum died due to medical negligence .
I raised a complaint with pals
It was looked into it took a long time
And they decided due to the nature of the cause , that training throughout the nhs would be given
I wasn't after compensation as nothing can bring her back . So if by doing this it has helped saved others lives I for one am glad I did |
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"Does compensation come from the money allocated to the running of the NHS or insurance either that of individual medical professionals or hospitals?
In my case I sued the Practice and it was paid by an insurance company.
I wonder how that impacts on the argument that compensation payouts have a direct effect on the care the NHS provide. I assume that medical professionals will always have to have insurance."
I would imagine that some get to the stage where no insurer will touch them so they have to self insure. Or some bright bean counter p[oints out that if they self insure the premium money can be spent on more managers. |
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"My mum died due to medical negligence .
I raised a complaint with pals
It was looked into it took a long time
And they decided due to the nature of the cause , that training throughout the nhs would be given
I wasn't after compensation as nothing can bring her back . So if by doing this it has helped saved others lives I for one am glad I did "
I have also been told letters will go out to all staff in the unit about standards of care and lack of recording vital information |
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over a year ago
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My brother lost his wife and was left with two young children through NHS negligence. Took a few years but he eventually won his case. Nothing could bring a beautiful young 26 year old girl back but at least his children were set up once they reached 18 as he put it all in trust for them. Ruined his life tho  |
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"My mum died due to medical negligence .
I raised a complaint with pals
It was looked into it took a long time
And they decided due to the nature of the cause , that training throughout the nhs would be given
I wasn't after compensation as nothing can bring her back . So if by doing this it has helped saved others lives I for one am glad I did
I have also been told letters will go out to all staff in the unit about standards of care and lack of recording vital information"
What good do letters do? These medical professionals need to sit in a room with those who have been affected by medical negligence, maybe then they might just realise the true cost of their mistakes |
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"My mum died due to medical negligence .
I raised a complaint with pals
It was looked into it took a long time
And they decided due to the nature of the cause , that training throughout the nhs would be given
I wasn't after compensation as nothing can bring her back . So if by doing this it has helped saved others lives I for one am glad I did
I have also been told letters will go out to all staff in the unit about standards of care and lack of recording vital information
What good do letters do? These medical professionals need to sit in a room with those who have been affected by medical negligence, maybe then they might just realise the true cost of their mistakes"
I know of course i said thats not enough, got yet another meeting next week |
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"My mum died due to medical negligence .
I raised a complaint with pals
It was looked into it took a long time
And they decided due to the nature of the cause , that training throughout the nhs would be given
I wasn't after compensation as nothing can bring her back . So if by doing this it has helped saved others lives I for one am glad I did
I have also been told letters will go out to all staff in the unit about standards of care and lack of recording vital information
What good do letters do? These medical professionals need to sit in a room with those who have been affected by medical negligence, maybe then they might just realise the true cost of their mistakes
I know of course i said thats not enough, got yet another meeting next week "
And I wish you all the very best of luck but they just close ranks and try to fob you off. Obviously that is my experience xx |
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By *qua vitaeWoman
over a year ago
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I do commend our doctors and hospital staff for the job that they do and after all, they are only human. However, mistakes involving lives - they should be brought to account. I know of several instances within my family where we could have complained or sued, but decided against it. I think it puts some people off with all the stress and time it takes to bring things to a conclusion, with no guarantees how it will.  |
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"My mum died due to medical negligence .
I raised a complaint with pals
It was looked into it took a long time
And they decided due to the nature of the cause , that training throughout the nhs would be given
I wasn't after compensation as nothing can bring her back . So if by doing this it has helped saved others lives I for one am glad I did
I have also been told letters will go out to all staff in the unit about standards of care and lack of recording vital information
What good do letters do? These medical professionals need to sit in a room with those who have been affected by medical negligence, maybe then they might just realise the true cost of their mistakes"
I think you are right that letters are not enough but I think you are wrong to suggest that medical professionals do not realise the cost of their mistakes! |
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"My mum died due to medical negligence .
I raised a complaint with pals
It was looked into it took a long time
And they decided due to the nature of the cause , that training throughout the nhs would be given
I wasn't after compensation as nothing can bring her back . So if by doing this it has helped saved others lives I for one am glad I did
I have also been told letters will go out to all staff in the unit about standards of care and lack of recording vital information
What good do letters do? These medical professionals need to sit in a room with those who have been affected by medical negligence, maybe then they might just realise the true cost of their mistakes
I think you are right that letters are not enough but I think you are wrong to suggest that medical professionals do not realise the cost of their mistakes! "
I have first hand experience and I know that they dont!! |
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"My mum died due to medical negligence .
I raised a complaint with pals
It was looked into it took a long time
And they decided due to the nature of the cause , that training throughout the nhs would be given
I wasn't after compensation as nothing can bring her back . So if by doing this it has helped saved others lives I for one am glad I did
I have also been told letters will go out to all staff in the unit about standards of care and lack of recording vital information
What good do letters do? These medical professionals need to sit in a room with those who have been affected by medical negligence, maybe then they might just realise the true cost of their mistakes
I think you are right that letters are not enough but I think you are wrong to suggest that medical professionals do not realise the cost of their mistakes!
I have first hand experience and I know that they dont!!"
First hand experience with all medical professionals I presume. |
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"My mum died due to medical negligence .
I raised a complaint with pals
It was looked into it took a long time
And they decided due to the nature of the cause , that training throughout the nhs would be given
I wasn't after compensation as nothing can bring her back . So if by doing this it has helped saved others lives I for one am glad I did
I have also been told letters will go out to all staff in the unit about standards of care and lack of recording vital information
What good do letters do? These medical professionals need to sit in a room with those who have been affected by medical negligence, maybe then they might just realise the true cost of their mistakes
I think you are right that letters are not enough but I think you are wrong to suggest that medical professionals do not realise the cost of their mistakes!
I have first hand experience and I know that they dont!!
First hand experience with all medical professionals I presume. "
No, just the ones who caused my nephew to have cerebral palsy. And have you had first hand experience of all those medical professionals who you presume do realise the cost of the mistakes? |
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"My mum died due to medical negligence .
I raised a complaint with pals
It was looked into it took a long time
And they decided due to the nature of the cause , that training throughout the nhs would be given
I wasn't after compensation as nothing can bring her back . So if by doing this it has helped saved others lives I for one am glad I did
I have also been told letters will go out to all staff in the unit about standards of care and lack of recording vital information
What good do letters do? These medical professionals need to sit in a room with those who have been affected by medical negligence, maybe then they might just realise the true cost of their mistakes
I think you are right that letters are not enough but I think you are wrong to suggest that medical professionals do not realise the cost of their mistakes!
I have first hand experience and I know that they dont!!
First hand experience with all medical professionals I presume.
No, just the ones who caused my nephew to have cerebral palsy. And have you had first hand experience of all those medical professionals who you presume do realise the cost of the mistakes?"
Nope. Like any profession you get those who go above and beyond and those that don't and a whole bunch in between. I'm sorry you have had a bad experience and hope that your nephew and hopis family are able to come to terms with what has happened and live a full and happy life together but I maintain that not all medical professionals are ignorant to the effects their mistakes can have. |
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"does anyone have any experience of suing the nhs ?"
No, and personally I think suing the NHS to be immoral in most cases.
As pointed out by an earlier poster the NHS is having to spend more and more money most of that defending cases where people see a medical negligence claim as a way to a quick and easy buck. The money it costs defending those claims is money that should be spent on treating patients.
I could continue but I am sure that everyone can join the dots and follow my argument too its conclusion. |
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"And the reason a lot of negligence happens is due to over worked staff due to heavy case loads, working beyond their roles and over their paid hours. This is due to lack of finance in the nhs.
Suing will not improve things but will make things worse
So if someone is left with an impairment that will leave them needing specialist equipment, adapting their home, losing their job are you saying that they should pay for this themselves when the damage has been caused by someone's negligence? If the damage had been caused by a road traffic accident we wouldn't think twice about making a claim. "
Good point. We could end up with people dying because surgeons are afraid of taking the risk in case they are sued. Maybe we should insist that those who have fears take out their own insurance before an operation starts. It does of course depend on your definition of negligence . |
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What is immoral is that the NHS string out negligence for years and years in the hope that the claimants give up due to the stress. This incurs huge legal fees which the NHS then have to settle along with the compensation itself.
Until anyone has lost a loved one or had a loved ones life totally ruined by medical negligence then you are unable to say what you would do in the same circumstances. Some choose not to make a claim, others don't but to accuse people of being immoral "in most cases" is extremely unfair! |
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"does anyone have any experience of suing the nhs ?
No, and personally I think suing the NHS to be immoral in most cases.
As pointed out by an earlier poster the NHS is having to spend more and more money most of that defending cases where people see a medical negligence claim as a way to a quick and easy buck. The money it costs defending those claims is money that should be spent on treating patients.
I could continue but I am sure that everyone can join the dots and follow my argument too its conclusion."
The dots of your argument only join in the way you think they will if the money that s being spent defending medical negligence cases is coming directly from the budgets allocated to running the NHS health care. I have no idea where the money comes from but I suspect that there is either a budget for it or insurance covers it. I very much doubt that making doctors, nurses, other health care professionals and hospitals exempt from legal action would put more money into the budget allocated to healthcare within the NHS in a culture where the fabric of the institution itself is being run down deliberately (in my opinion)in order to make those who can take out private health insurance. |
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"does anyone have any experience of suing the nhs ?
No, and personally I think suing the NHS to be immoral in most cases.
As pointed out by an earlier poster the NHS is having to spend more and more money most of that defending cases where people see a medical negligence claim as a way to a quick and easy buck. The money it costs defending those claims is money that should be spent on treating patients.
I could continue but I am sure that everyone can join the dots and follow my argument too its conclusion."
Well maybe they should employ more medical professionals and less management consultants then. That way there wouldn't be so many claims to take up their precious resources.
Which do you think more likely
Look guys we haven't had any claims this year, we can employ more doctors and nurses.
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Great, less claims this year means that we 'managers' can trouser some kick ass bonusses. |
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