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Pistorius.... Did he didn't he????
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over a year ago
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Yes he did ......... He now needs to own up and pay for what he has done and be a man, Not some god who thinks he can get away with what ever as in a world and class of his own . He has taken a life away and away from her loving family too. |
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over a year ago
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Totally.Unfortunately I think he'll get away with it.
If I was to wake up thinking there was someone in my house,the first thing I'd do is check my wife/girlfriend/partner was still laid next to me before I did anything else...
Guilty as... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Be fair, who wouldn't in the middle of the night when confronted with a closed bathroom door, open fire, thinking it a burglar after your toilet paper.
Perfectly natural reaction. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There is no doubt about his guilt - that is beyond contestation. The only question is whether or not it was murder or manslaughter.
Personally I believe it was murder, however I have a feeling from the summing up so far that he will be found guilty of the lesser of the 2 charges. I also have a horrible feeling that, because of nothing other than who he is, hat he will never see he inside of a jail cell |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've avoided listening or reading as much about it as possible but from the little I know he sounds guilty."
Fuck me....I wouldn't want you on a jury if I was up in court! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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for sure he did it but dont think he planned it - but also think he had time to make the choice to do or not to - im not sure what line to cross to become murder or manslaughter - do not think at all he thought was an intruder |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I feel sorry for him i feel like doing the same to my wife as i know the smell that follows her out the bathroom in middle of night is unbearable and id do all i could to prevent her getting out too lol  |
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He is guilty.
I don't know if he meant to shoot her or not, but that does not matter. He fired a gun through a closed door and as I understand the law in SA it is absolutely clear that you must be able to see the house invader and be in immediate danger to use deadly force to protect your property.
Truth is this is a circus aimed to give the SA authorities an out because of the blade-runners celebrity.
I hope that the torture that has been this trial for the Steencamp's will soon be over and that they can begin the healing process.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Obviously he did it. She didn't shoot herself!
Not something I have followed so don't know exact details about the intruder story but it does seem a little far fetched from the snippets I have heard |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Premeditated murder discounted despite the fact the judge believes Pistorius to be a poor witness, evasive and dishonest. Question now is whether she finds him guilty of lesser charges. I'm not holding my breath for a guilty charge. |
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He is known for a violent temper, I believe they argued and he flipped then shot her as she tried to get away from him by hiding in the bathroom. I also think he will get away with a slap on the wrist. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"we think he did and he's gonna get away with it, the judge seems a bit thick!"
The judge is applying the law, the onus has been on the prosecution to prove the case beyond reasonable doubt. It is hard to see where she is being thick. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"we think he did and he's gonna get away with it, the judge seems a bit thick!
The judge is applying the law, the onus has been on the prosecution to prove the case beyond reasonable doubt. It is hard to see where she is being thick."
we understand the law, it's just she doesn't seem very articulate. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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What a bloody joke .... The judge actually agrees with him that he didn't know it was her in the toilet !
She actually says that he wasn't to know she wasn't in the bedroom .....
So in the interests of safety fabbers , best wake your partner up if you wanna get up for a piss at night , just in case you get your brains blown out mid flow !
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I still think he flipped list it in the heat of argument and shot through the door to scare the living S@&t out of her and it all went horribly wrong panicked and made up the story on the spot and had to go through with it! But that's just my opinion. He has lost it before and vented his anger on a road sign with a pistol. But as always if it was just an ordinary person hey would have been convicted and banged up ages ago.  |
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"we think he did and he's gonna get away with it, the judge seems a bit thick!
The judge is applying the law, the onus has been on the prosecution to prove the case beyond reasonable doubt. It is hard to see where she is being thick.
we understand the law, it's just she doesn't seem very articulate. "
Judges are recruited from Barristers, barristers are trained orators and debaters, that she is stumbling so much would suggest to me that she is choking on her words because she knows he is guilty but it is politically unacceptable for SA to convict its white disabled athletic hero of murder. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I had no _iews on if he was guilty or not of murder, but it really gets me that even though he had been cleared of murder he is still classed as guilty by the public..
shame really
move on and let him try and re build his life, he will eternally be sorry and have to live with what he did when sadly Reeva can not. Thought to all concerned |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He is known for a violent temper, I believe they argued and he flipped then shot her as she tried to get away from him by hiding in the bathroom. I also think he will get away with a slap on the wrist. "
 Unfortunately I think you may well be right. |
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"we think he did and he's gonna get away with it, the judge seems a bit thick!
The judge is applying the law, the onus has been on the prosecution to prove the case beyond reasonable doubt. It is hard to see where she is being thick.
we understand the law, it's just she doesn't seem very articulate.
Judges are recruited from Barristers, barristers are trained orators and debaters, that she is stumbling so much would suggest to me that she is choking on her words because she knows he is guilty but it is politically unacceptable for SA to convict its white disabled athletic hero of murder."
Jesus, we've got a know it all here lol |
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"we think he did and he's gonna get away with it, the judge seems a bit thick!
The judge is applying the law, the onus has been on the prosecution to prove the case beyond reasonable doubt. It is hard to see where she is being thick.
we understand the law, it's just she doesn't seem very articulate.
Judges are recruited from Barristers, barristers are trained orators and debaters, that she is stumbling so much would suggest to me that she is choking on her words because she knows he is guilty but it is politically unacceptable for SA to convict its white disabled athletic hero of murder. Jesus, we've got a know it all here lol "
Funny, I would have thought that what I am saying is really pretty obvious to anyone who actually listened to any of the unbiased programs that have laid out the SA law and issues. Of course it does help to have some knowledge of how most legal systems work, and how historically justice has been manipulated for political and national ends.
But if that makes me 'a know it all' I will happily accept the acclaim of those who cant be bothered to engage their brains and follow the logic. |
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"we think he did and he's gonna get away with it, the judge seems a bit thick!
The judge is applying the law, the onus has been on the prosecution to prove the case beyond reasonable doubt. It is hard to see where she is being thick.
we understand the law, it's just she doesn't seem very articulate.
Judges are recruited from Barristers, barristers are trained orators and debaters, that she is stumbling so much would suggest to me that she is choking on her words because she knows he is guilty but it is politically unacceptable for SA to convict its white disabled athletic hero of murder."
So you're saying if Bryan Habana had shot his girlfriend he would be in jail for life now? Somehow I don't think so, colour has got nothing to do with it, all boils down to being that if you are rich and famous you seem to get away with things  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If he was a poor black man in South Africa, he would already be almost a year into a life sentence.
Guilty as hell!
Money, fame = corruption. "
Not exactly. The prosecution didn't do a great job and most of the evidence wasn't taken correctly. The prosecution couldn't prove that it was murder "beyond reasonable doubt" |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Clearly it seems if you want to shoot and kill your partner , (in cold blood) - do it in South Africa .
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That's a joke right? You aren't actually being serious are you? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What a bloody joke .... The judge actually agrees with him that he didn't know it was her in the toilet !
She actually says that he wasn't to know she wasn't in the bedroom .....
So in the interests of safety fabbers , best wake your partner up if you wanna get up for a piss at night , just in case you get your brains blown out mid flow !
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Thats what he says they have to prove without doubt he knew she was in there and its how you prove it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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He will probably get a short custodial sentence for a lesser charge but they will make sure hes free in enough time to train and take part in the next paralympics.
Bet anyone invited to his future house parties will go for a piss outside rather than use his toilet now |
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"we think he did and he's gonna get away with it, the judge seems a bit thick!
The judge is applying the law, the onus has been on the prosecution to prove the case beyond reasonable doubt. It is hard to see where she is being thick.
we understand the law, it's just she doesn't seem very articulate.
Judges are recruited from Barristers, barristers are trained orators and debaters, that she is stumbling so much would suggest to me that she is choking on her words because she knows he is guilty but it is politically unacceptable for SA to convict its white disabled athletic hero of murder.
So you're saying if Bryan Habana had shot his girlfriend he would be in jail for life now? Somehow I don't think so, colour has got nothing to do with it, all boils down to being that if you are rich and famous you seem to get away with things "
No what I am saying is that you have to look at things in the whole. Remember it is South Africa and still has issues around colour. Remembering this you then have to remember all the blade-runner hype worldwide over the previous 3 or 4 years and the investment that the SA establishment had made in the man. I believe that that is so important to SA's self image that they cant afford to have their hero be turned into a murderer and have to find a way to either make him innocent or a victim too.
I also think he knows this and has played on it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just checked what I said at the start of the trial....
He is white, rich and as I said at the outset I strongly suspect that whether he is guilty or not, I fully expect an acquital. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Whichever way you look at it, he is guilty of murder.
Whether he knew it was his gf in the bathroom or not is, quite frankly, irrelevant because he intended to kill whoever was behind the door.
And I'm sorry, but if you'd gone to bed with your partner and you get woken by strange noises isn't it a natural instinct to check she's ok first? Simply feeling that she's there.
Lock him up and throw away the key |
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It is not only rich white people who get away with whatever crime they have committed, colour should not come into it, if you are rich and famous you have far more chance of being found not guilty. I personally believe he is guilty of murder, he knew exactly what he was doing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So having just said that Pistorius has failed the "reasonable man test" she has decided she fancies an early day and has packed up until the morning. Incredible. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So having just said that Pistorius has failed the "reasonable man test" she has decided she fancies an early day and has packed up until the morning. Incredible."
Agreed ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So having just said that Pistorius has failed the "reasonable man test" she has decided she fancies an early day and has packed up until the morning. Incredible."
Agreed ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Clearly it seems if you want to shoot and kill your partner , (in cold blood) - do it in South Africa .
That's a joke right? You aren't actually being serious are you?"
Are you ?
The whole trial and judgement are a joke , and certainly not in the slightest bit funny .
One thing is certain , if my wife went to the loo in the middle of the night , there is not a chance I would shoot her through the door as he did !
And he got away with it - farcical  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"He's looking at, atleast 10-years in the clink now?"
Unless whoever it was that caused the judge to call and adjournment has a whisper in her ear and reminds her that he is supposed to get away with it! Call me a conspiracy theory geek but I smell a rat. Why, half way through the day and on the verge of saying guilty does she adjourn.......?????  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Whichever way you look at it, he is guilty of murder.
Whether he knew it was his gf in the bathroom or not is, quite frankly, irrelevant because he intended to kill whoever was behind the door.
And I'm sorry, but if you'd gone to bed with your partner and you get woken by strange noises isn't it a natural instinct to check she's ok first? Simply feeling that she's there.
Lock him up and throw away the key"
I agree |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It has been reported that the Judge has cleared him of the murder charge, but will be giving her verdict on the charge of 'Culpable homicide' tomorrow.
This is simply because they have different definitions in South Africa than we do - just like the United States.
This case, from the outset, has always been about him trying to prove that he didn't mean to kill his girlfriend as he didn't know it was her in the toilet.
Personally, I don't think it should make a difference.
If you shoot a gun four times through a door, you have clearly intended to kill whoever is on the other side.
That you do or do not know who is behind the door is irrelevant.
But, it would appear that it is NOT irrelevant in South Africa. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It is not only rich white people who get away with whatever crime they have committed, colour should not come into it, if you are rich and famous you have far more chance of being found not guilty. I personally believe he is guilty of murder, he knew exactly what he was doing."
Michael Jackson was rich and white and got away with it, so maybe they have a point  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It is not only rich white people who get away with whatever crime they have committed, colour should not come into it, if you are rich and famous you have far more chance of being found not guilty. I personally believe he is guilty of murder, he knew exactly what he was doing."
Michael Jackson was rich and white and got away with it, so maybe they have a point |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It has been reported that the Judge has cleared him of the murder charge, but will be giving her verdict on the charge of 'Culpable homicide' tomorrow.
This is simply because they have different definitions in South Africa than we do - just like the United States.
This case, from the outset, has always been about him trying to prove that he didn't mean to kill his girlfriend as he didn't know it was her in the toilet.
Personally, I don't think it should make a difference.
If you shoot a gun four times through a door, you have clearly intended to kill whoever is on the other side.
That you do or do not know who is behind the door is irrelevant.
But, it would appear that it is NOT irrelevant in South Africa."
They have different levels of violence there maybe you had missed that point. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Clearly it seems if you want to shoot and kill your partner , (in cold blood) - do it in South Africa .
That's a joke right? You aren't actually being serious are you?
Are you ?
The whole trial and judgement are a joke , and certainly not in the slightest bit funny .
One thing is certain , if my wife went to the loo in the middle of the night , there is not a chance I would shoot her through the door as he did !
And he got away with it - farcical "
A judge gives a decision based on the facts provided. If the prosecution failed to convince her that he had planned the murder then it doesn't mean that anyone who kills their partner will get away with it. If they're not happy with the decision they could always appeal and if/when they do, the prosecution has to strengthen their case otherwise it won't make much help |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It is not only rich white people who get away with whatever crime they have committed, colour should not come into it, if you are rich and famous you have far more chance of being found not guilty. I personally believe he is guilty of murder, he knew exactly what he was doing."
Just rich people - Colour is irrelevant.
The Law means nothing if you can afford an expensive enough defence team |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I wondered where does pre-meditated start and end ?
Do I think prior to the events of the night did he plan to kill her ? No
Do I think they had some sort of a row, he lost it and deliberately shot her 4 times in the heat of the moment. Yes 100%
How is that anything but murder ? You can't accidentally shoot someone 4 times through a locked door !! |
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"Clearly it seems if you want to shoot and kill your partner , (in cold blood) - do it in South Africa .
That's a joke right? You aren't actually being serious are you?
Are you ?
The whole trial and judgement are a joke , and certainly not in the slightest bit funny .
One thing is certain , if my wife went to the loo in the middle of the night , there is not a chance I would shoot her through the door as he did !
And he got away with it - farcical
A judge gives a decision based on the facts provided. If the prosecution failed to convince her that he had planned the murder then it doesn't mean that anyone who kills their partner will get away with it. If they're not happy with the decision they could always appeal and if/when they do, the prosecution has to strengthen their case otherwise it won't make much help "
He shot her 4 times - fact
He didn't check she was still in bed - fact
He claims he thought it was an intruder and it wasn't - fact
What more does anyone need ?
I won't say any more , other than to reiterate that the whole trial was a farce , and stand by my opinion .
I also think the judge ( another farcical choice ) was told to wait , no reason at all not to continue other than to delay the next farcical judgement .
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The bit I struggle with is the judges assertion that Pistorius was an unreliable witness, was evasive and contradictory. But she has said that should be pretty much disregarded. I guess it must be a feature of South African law. I watched a large part of the trial and listened to a lot of the evidence and had I been on a jury I would have not had any reasonable doubt that he intended to murder whoever it was behind the door. I would be less convinced that the prosecution had done enough to suggest it was pre-meditated. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've avoided listening or reading as much about it as possible but from the little I know he sounds guilty."
Same I'm afraid and too much procrastinating also  |
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"Clearly it seems if you want to shoot and kill your partner , (in cold blood) - do it in South Africa .
That's a joke right? You aren't actually being serious are you?
Are you ?
The whole trial and judgement are a joke , and certainly not in the slightest bit funny .
One thing is certain , if my wife went to the loo in the middle of the night , there is not a chance I would shoot her through the door as he did !
And he got away with it - farcical
A judge gives a decision based on the facts provided. If the prosecution failed to convince her that he had planned the murder then it doesn't mean that anyone who kills their partner will get away with it. If they're not happy with the decision they could always appeal and if/when they do, the prosecution has to strengthen their case otherwise it won't make much help "
I agree but its a little pointless telling some as they really don't understand what facts are. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Of course he did it, who else did it???
If you are a celeb and rich, you can walk on water and get away with it, same as OJ Simpson, an average person will get done.
It's a load of bollox! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think he woke up hearing what he thought was an intruder and fearing the violence often used by thugs breaking in locally, he shot them thru the loo door in order to protect his household.
i would do the same in those circumstances. |
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"I think he woke up hearing what he thought was an intruder and fearing the violence often used by thugs breaking in locally, he shot them thru the loo door in order to protect his household.
i would do the same in those circumstances."
So if you had an intruder in your home trapped in a toilet with a gun trained on them you would pull the trigger first and ask questions later?? As the judge has summised, that would not be the act of a reasonable man. |
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"They have different levels of violence there maybe you had missed that point."
Not at all. I'm well aware of this.
I have a friend who lives in Jo'berg
The point I was trying to make was that perhaps those of us in the UK look at this with an understanding of UK laws and UK levels of violence, which is perhaps why some of us find it hard to understand how he can be cleared of murder when he's pretty much admitted to it (in that he admitted to the shooting).
But none of us are sitting in the court room. The only information we have is what has been reported by the media - and we all know how selective they can be on what they report.
For example - the recent Nigella Lawson fraud case. I found that laughable. Essentially she was suing her (former?) Personal Assistants for fraud but all the news reports focused on their allegations of her drug abuse. |
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"Clearly it seems if you want to shoot and kill your partner , (in cold blood) - do it in South Africa .
That's a joke right? You aren't actually being serious are you?
Are you ?
The whole trial and judgement are a joke , and certainly not in the slightest bit funny .
One thing is certain , if my wife went to the loo in the middle of the night , there is not a chance I would shoot her through the door as he did !
And he got away with it - farcical
A judge gives a decision based on the facts provided. If the prosecution failed to convince her that he had planned the murder then it doesn't mean that anyone who kills their partner will get away with it. If they're not happy with the decision they could always appeal and if/when they do, the prosecution has to strengthen their case otherwise it won't make much help
I agree but its a little pointless telling some as they really don't understand what facts are."
I've given up at this stage cause regardless of how you explain things some people choose to ignore you |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's obvious he shot her. However if you truly wanted someone dead then shooting them through a closed door is not necessarily the best way to do it. He couldn't guarantee that he would hit her with a kill shot, he is essentially firing blind.
I think he will be found guilty of a manslaughter charge, due to the fact that you don't have to intend to kill someone but have acted in such a reckless manner that death would occur. |
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"It's obvious he shot her. However if you truly wanted someone dead then shooting them through a closed door is not necessarily the best way to do it. He couldn't guarantee that he would hit her with a kill shot, he is essentially firing blind.
I think he will be found guilty of a manslaughter charge, due to the fact that you don't have to intend to kill someone but have acted in such a reckless manner that death would occur."
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"The bit I struggle with is the judges assertion that Pistorius was an unreliable witness, was evasive and contradictory. But she has said that should be pretty much disregarded. I guess it must be a feature of South African law. I watched a large part of the trial and listened to a lot of the evidence and had I been on a jury I would have not had any reasonable doubt that he intended to murder whoever it was behind the door. I would be less convinced that the prosecution had done enough to suggest it was pre-meditated."
Intention and pre-meditation are essentially the same thing. You cannot be guilty of murder without intending to kill or cause serious harm.
Without this it is basically a question of whether it was manslaughter or not. |
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By *amamanMan
over a year ago
Inverness and around. ... |
"I don't think it hapend, it is just to make his name even more famous, like the mccan family in spain, plot to be more famous "
I really dont know how you can write something about that ..... |
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"I don't think it hapend, it is just to make his name even more famous, like the mccan family in spain, plot to be more famous
I really dont know how you can write something about that ..... "
Very strange comparison..
the McCann case keeps refreshing because they are looking for media coverage as assistance in locating the girl. - Positive media.
This guy wouldn't even WANT this case as a rumour let alone a legal court battle on this name. Things like this can destroy a persons career and reputation permanently, even if its not true (Which it probably is). - Negative Media. |
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"It's obvious he shot her. However if you truly wanted someone dead then shooting them through a closed door is not necessarily the best way to do it. He couldn't guarantee that he would hit her with a kill shot, he is essentially firing ."
For me that shows clearly that he'd completely lost the plot and not in control of his actions |
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over a year ago
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"I don't think it hapend, it is just to make his name even more famous, like the mccan family in spain, plot to be more famous
an opinion only made more ludicrous by the wrong country.."
Yes but kinda same motive to it. |
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"even if he was cleared of all charges the public would always say he's guilty.. shame really "
No matter what the court says, or how it plays out legally. He is guilty of killing Reeva Steenkamp, our gun free culture may find it harder to cope with, but firing 4 shots through a toilet door with knowledge there was someone behind the door means he deliberately set out to take a life.
We will never know who he intended to kill, but he knowingly attempted to kill someone. |
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"even if he was cleared of all charges the public would always say he's guilty.. shame really
No matter what the court says, or how it plays out legally. He is guilty of killing Reeva Steenkamp, our gun free culture may find it harder to cope with, but firing 4 shots through a toilet door with knowledge there was someone behind the door means he deliberately set out to take a life.
We will never know who he intended to kill, but he knowingly attempted to kill someone."
Firing through a door where you can't see on the other side is recklessness not intention to kill |
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over a year ago
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"Firing through a door where you can't see on the other side is recklessness not intention to kill"
it was a cubicle style toilet, there was very little chance of missing with one bullet let alone 4. |
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"even if he was cleared of all charges the public would always say he's guilty.. shame really "
Imagine the conversation :
' why were you in court ? '
' because I shot and killed my girlfriend while she was on the loo '
' oh dear , was it an accident ?'
'yes , I shot her 4 times , but I was found to be not guilty so it's all good '
' mmmm... Thanks for asking me over , but I think I will not be staying the night '
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"even if he was cleared of all charges the public would always say he's guilty.. shame really
No matter what the court says, or how it plays out legally. He is guilty of killing Reeva Steenkamp, our gun free culture may find it harder to cope with, but firing 4 shots through a toilet door with knowledge there was someone behind the door means he deliberately set out to take a life.
We will never know who he intended to kill, but he knowingly attempted to kill someone.
Firing through a door where you can't see on the other side is recklessness not intention to kill"
When u know someone is on the other side of it in a very restricted space ?
Murderous recklessness methinks |
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"It is not only rich white people who get away with whatever crime they have committed, colour should not come into it, if you are rich and famous you have far more chance of being found not guilty. I personally believe he is guilty of murder, he knew exactly what he was doing.
Just rich people - Colour is irrelevant.
The Law means nothing if you can afford an expensive enough defence team "
I never said colour was relevant, I agree though that if you can afford the top legal teams it improves you chances of getting away with it |
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"Firing through a door where you can't see on the other side is recklessness not intention to kill
it was a cubicle style toilet, there was very little chance of missing with one bullet let alone 4. "
If you shoot in the right direction you wouldn't miss. But it wasn't proved that he knew where exactly she was which means it was recklessness not intention hence the not guilty verdict on murder |
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"even if he was cleared of all charges the public would always say he's guilty.. shame really
No matter what the court says, or how it plays out legally. He is guilty of killing Reeva Steenkamp, our gun free culture may find it harder to cope with, but firing 4 shots through a toilet door with knowledge there was someone behind the door means he deliberately set out to take a life.
We will never know who he intended to kill, but he knowingly attempted to kill someone.
Firing through a door where you can't see on the other side is recklessness not intention to kill
When u know someone is on the other side of it in a very restricted space ?
Murderous recklessness methinks "
He couldn't see through the door so she could have easily been on the side he was shooting from so his bullets would have missed |
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"Of course he is guilty. He never denied that aspect. All his legal team has been trying to do since though is to get a lessor charge. "
Which they've succeeded to do cause the prosecution didn't do a great job |
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"Of course he is guilty. He never denied that aspect. All his legal team has been trying to do since though is to get a lessor charge. "
Agrees with above- unsure if the OP is familiar with the trial at all....is anyone else supposed to have done it? |
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"even if he was cleared of all charges the public would always say he's guilty.. shame really
No matter what the court says, or how it plays out legally. He is guilty of killing Reeva Steenkamp, our gun free culture may find it harder to cope with, but firing 4 shots through a toilet door with knowledge there was someone behind the door means he deliberately set out to take a life.
We will never know who he intended to kill, but he knowingly attempted to kill someone.
Firing through a door where you can't see on the other side is recklessness not intention to kill
When u know someone is on the other side of it in a very restricted space ?
Murderous recklessness methinks
He couldn't see through the door so she could have easily been on the side he was shooting from so his bullets would have missed"
Girlfriend or 'intruder' on the other side of that door he was shooting to hit whatever was on the other side of it
I repeat murderous recklessness
How anyone can defend it is beyond me
The defence lawyers are no better than he is |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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I have read many threads on here over the years about burglars and what force people would use if they felt threatened in their home... A good few said they would kill if they felt their life was at risk.
God forbid, I was ever living in a very violent South Africa and felt vulnerable.
poor girl... x |
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"I have read many threads on here over the years about burglars and what force people would use if they felt threatened in their home... A good few said they would kill if they felt their life was at risk.
God forbid, I was ever living in a very violent South Africa and felt vulnerable.
poor girl... x"
How is his life at direct risk when the supposed 'intruder' is behind a locked door.
Doesn't exactly sound like the behavior of a marauding maniac does it ? |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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"I have read many threads on here over the years about burglars and what force people would use if they felt threatened in their home... A good few said they would kill if they felt their life was at risk.
God forbid, I was ever living in a very violent South Africa and felt vulnerable.
poor girl... x
How is his life at direct risk when the supposed 'intruder' is behind a locked door.
Doesn't exactly sound like the behavior of a marauding maniac does it ? "
I never said his was... I was quoting what people had said when their was. |
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"even if he was cleared of all charges the public would always say he's guilty.. shame really
No matter what the court says, or how it plays out legally. He is guilty of killing Reeva Steenkamp, our gun free culture may find it harder to cope with, but firing 4 shots through a toilet door with knowledge there was someone behind the door means he deliberately set out to take a life.
We will never know who he intended to kill, but he knowingly attempted to kill someone.
Firing through a door where you can't see on the other side is recklessness not intention to kill
When u know someone is on the other side of it in a very restricted space ?
Murderous recklessness methinks
He couldn't see through the door so she could have easily been on the side he was shooting from so his bullets would have missed
Girlfriend or 'intruder' on the other side of that door he was shooting to hit whatever was on the other side of it
I repeat murderous recklessness
How anyone can defend it is beyond me
The defence lawyers are no better than he is "
Murderous recklessness? The fact that the prosecution couldn't prove that it was premeditated means that he isn't guilty of murder. He could still get reckless manslaughter cause he did kill someone. South Africa is very different to this side of the world so the defence lawyers are just making money using their training of the law which doesn't make them as bad as he is |
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In parts of south Africa it's dangerous to be white. Out there burglary is a lot more common.
I haven't read to much other then apparently evidence has been tampered with so will probably walk.
Sad....... really sad |
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"I have read many threads on here over the years about burglars and what force people would use if they felt threatened in their home... A good few said they would kill if they felt their life was at risk.
God forbid, I was ever living in a very violent South Africa and felt vulnerable.
poor girl... x
How is his life at direct risk when the supposed 'intruder' is behind a locked door.
Doesn't exactly sound like the behavior of a marauding maniac does it ? "
Good point. How many burglars lock themselves in the toilet when they break in? lol |
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"intentional murder no ... I said it would be a manslaughter charge "
That's the verdict and made buy a guy more qualified than people on here with more evidence than people on here and a better understanding of south African law than people on here.
I think sometimes people forget a woman has lost her life when trying to point score off others. |
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"intentional murder no ... I said it would be a manslaughter charge
That's the verdict and made buy a guy more qualified than people on here with more evidence than people on here and a better understanding of south African law than people on here.
I think sometimes people forget a woman has lost her life when trying to point score off others. "
South African law wasn't mentioned in the op, but I know what I think about South African law, didn't they shoot striking miners quite recently?
Beyond reasonable doubt, the lunatic murdered her in cold blood. Just my opinion from the evidence that I've seen. |
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"intentional murder no ... I said it would be a manslaughter charge
That's the verdict and made buy a guy more qualified than people on here with more evidence than people on here and a better understanding of south African law than people on here.
I think sometimes people forget a woman has lost her life when trying to point score off others.
South African law wasn't mentioned in the op, but I know what I think about South African law, didn't they shoot striking miners quite recently?
Beyond reasonable doubt, the lunatic murdered her in cold blood. Just my opinion from the evidence that I've seen."
You have actually seen the evidence? WOW! |
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"Of course he is guilty. He never denied that aspect. All his legal team has been trying to do since though is to get a lessor charge.
Agrees with above- unsure if the OP is familiar with the trial at all....is anyone else supposed to have done it?"
Anything but a murder charge was always going to be the way his legal advice would of been. Every card possible was played out for him to avoid the firing squad or whatever way they use there.
Money can buy a lot of things in a lot of countries including freedom.  |
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"Of course he is guilty. He never denied that aspect. All his legal team has been trying to do since though is to get a lessor charge.
Agrees with above- unsure if the OP is familiar with the trial at all....is anyone else supposed to have done it?
Anything but a murder charge was always going to be the way his legal advice would of been. Every card possible was played out for him to avoid the firing squad or whatever way they use there.
Money can buy a lot of things in a lot of countries including freedom. "
Yes, after all, the 'great' British justice system was originally designed to favour the 'have's' over the 'have not's', wasn't it????? |
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"Intentional, yes, imo, but yet again it has been proved, - if you've got enough money, you can get away with murder!"
It's not exactly about the money. The prosecution weren't great at presenting their case and the evidence wasn't taken properly so he'll either get manslaughter or be acquitted due to the fact that the evidence wasn't collected and stored in the correct manner. |
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