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over a year ago
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Just reading that 1.4 million people in this country are addicted to alcohol. I actually think that number is vastly under estimated and the number is higher.
During my everyday life, I seem to have increasingly come across people who's lives have been seriously affected by alcohol.
Years ago, it was less easy to buy so cheaply and not so readily available in so many outlets. I know we are all responsible for our own actions, some people have addictive personalities, life events happen and can start a person down a path that they find difficult to get off.
I just wonder where it will all end? |
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I have nothing against people liking a drink but years ago when I was growing up in the 70s, 80s you didn't used to see so many young people getting d*unk everywhere especialy young women, now they seem almost proud of the fact that they are getting pissed out of their minds all the time. I don't know why because it makes you feel like shit the next day. There was an article in the mail online where a woman talked to younger women who liked to go out and get d*unk and it was said that young women who drink a lot on a regular basis have low self esteem and lack confidence. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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No, I don't think it is.
Responsible drinking is fine. The results of excessive drinking are antisocial, not the alcohol itself.
The problems are down to the individuals that don't behave responsibly.
I also feel that there is too little support and treatment available for certain people who are more at risk of substance dependencies, and those who already have dependencies.
Alcoholism is another problem where an attempt to tackle it is only made once it becomes extremely serious, at which point it is at the most difficult stage to treat successfully. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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It's the acceptable and legal drug.
I spent twenty years tee total and people would treat me as really strange when out socially or at a party. Now that I drink but still exercise control I get people insisting that "having one won't harm" me.
The numbers don't account for the well-heeled functioning alcoholics.
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If prices don't rise substantially, then this trend will continue. In the long term it will cost future Governments a hell of a lot more than it already does in treating those with alcohol related diseases  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Don't think it's to do with price, it's to do with the drinking culture where it's cool to go out and get bladdered! Shows like Geordie Shore and kids thinking they have to behave like that to have a good time.]
I like a drink when I go out, not really one for drinking in the house, but I know my limits and my goal is to have a good time not to have a good time and get pissed. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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You are right. One of the issues is that it is done behind closed doors. It's heart wrenching to see someone in a flat that has no food in the fridge, but empty lager cans and cider bottles all over the floor. They want to stop, but it makes their life bearable.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think more people have an issue with it than many realise. I had an ex partner who was actually unable to relax if he didn't have a couple of cans every day after work. Because he didn't get pissed every day, he didn't see that he was dependent on alcohol, yet freely admitted he couldn't relax and got very tempermental if he didn't have those couple of drinks. |
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By *odareyouMan
over a year ago
not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds) |
I m a child of the 60's I was a teen in the 70's I did most of my 'drinking' in the 80's,I drank under age I ve been d*unk not big not clever nothing I m proud of
It's not a lot different from my youth The vast difference is we now have 24 hr cctv monitoring and a vast number of tv channels that need to fill air time with cheap car crash tv
I ve travelled through parts of Europe their youth aren t a lot different to ours same in America
My own personal _iew educate the kids don't prohibit the more you prohibit the more they ll try to do it, |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Maybe there should be a forum titled:
"interesting threads for Daily mail/_xpress readers"
Then crap like this could go in there."
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"Just reading that 1.4 million people in this country are addicted to alcohol. I actually think that number is vastly under estimated and the number is higher.
During my everyday life, I seem to have increasingly come across people who's lives have been seriously affected by alcohol.
Years ago, it was less easy to buy so cheaply and not so readily available in so many outlets. I know we are all responsible for our own actions, some people have addictive personalities, life events happen and can start a person down a path that they find difficult to get off.
I just wonder where it will all end? "
I enjoy a nice bottle of wine some evenings to take the stress of the day
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If i listen to the guide lines I am a alcoholic  |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"It's the acceptable and legal drug.
I spent twenty years tee total and people would treat me as really strange when out socially or at a party. Now that I drink but still exercise control I get people insisting that "having one won't harm" me.
The numbers don't account for the well-heeled functioning alcoholics.
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I was the opposite.
It was the done thing at an early age at the rugby club, then in to uni, then having found myself working in the drink industry it was easy to fall into a 'routine' of drinking all the time.
I'll be the first to admit it often caused problems, turned me into an occasional twat (even though I've only ever been a happy d*unk rather than abusive/violent) and was easy to fall into a social circle where if you weren't drinking people thought there was something wrong with you.
I've also been in relationships with heavy drinkers - what I'd term borderline dependants/alcoholics. It was not a good place to be and was a major turning point. I've lost friends and distanced myself from people over the years because of their drinking.
I still have the odd blowout - but it's rare. These days I can easily count the days of the week I have as little as a glass on one or two fingers, whereas ten years ago it would be hard to remember a day without touching a drop.
I don't blame anyone. It's down to individuals how they act in relation to alcohol.
But I do worry that 'peer pressure', the attitude of the young that they're 'indestructible' and the general acceptability of weekend binge drinking won't just be a general social problem but something that has the high potential to ruin individuals lives at an early age, and that governments attempts to educate are severely missing the point and failing to get the facts across.
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"If prices don't rise substantially, then this trend will continue. In the long term it will cost future Governments a hell of a lot more than it already does in treating those with alcohol related diseases "
Why should the prices rise! |
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Having worked with those that are entrenched alcoholics and worked to get high alcohol strength larger banned or made more expensive to buy I do believe that there is a rise of people especially younger people being addicted to alcohol. Alcohol consumption has be glamourised and you only have to go into a chain bar or pub and see 2 4 1 drinks offers or cheap drinks offers or supermarkets selling alcohol discounted, I of course take advantage of these offers. I am a drinker I probably drink way more than I should but that is my choice, I know my limits and certainly don't drink on a daily basis. I think the binge drinking trend is bigger than those who are registered alcoholics. There are support services out there but due to central government cuts services are limited. I know in Birmingham they have a group of volunteers going around on a Friday and Saturday night and there are St. John's Ambulance service out there. I come from a family who like a drink and when younger my parents would rather us drink at home than on the streets...it is what it is and it's not going to get any better...it's down to everyone working together to tackle this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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One of the reasons I left London was because I was drinking at least 4 or 5 nights a week. It turned me in to a paranoid mess and I think I was very much a functioning alcoholic though hindsight suggests that I was probably losing the ability to function.
I still like a drink but rarely if ever drink during the week and my running ensures relatively long periods of abstinence.
As a society our dependence on alcohol socially scares me. I know people tgat drink at home every day. I know people that drink themselves unconscious on a weekly basis. People are dying of liver cirrhosis in their 30s and on occasions even in their 20s which was unheard of 20 years ago. Every weekend hospitals are full of d*unks. No idea what we can do. It's a cultural issue, not drinking is seen as weird and anti social in many situations |
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I can count on two hands the amount of family members I have in Denmark who are alcoholics, I've had family member pass away due to liver failure..in Denmark it's so socially acceptable to drink over there..my mum and dad liked a drink though both cut down due to medical health issues.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I've also been in relationships with heavy drinkers - what I'd term borderline dependants/alcoholics. It was not a good place to be and was a major turning point.
But I do worry that 'peer pressure', the attitude of the young that they're 'indestructible' and the general acceptability of weekend binge drinking won't just be a general social problem but something that has the high potential to ruin individuals lives at an early age, and that governments attempts to educate are severely missing the point and failing to get the facts across.
A"
I was married to a borderline dependant/alcoholic. That was my turning point too and is probably why I very rarely drink nowadays and getting d*unk is a real rarity. Just because of past experiences.
I agree about peer pressure. I can recall being put under pressure in my teens, as even then I was not a massive drinker. I didn't like not being in full control of my actions. I have seen programmes about cirrhosis affecting younger and younger people, especially females, as their tolerance for alcohol is generally lower. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"It's the acceptable and legal drug.
I spent twenty years tee total and people would treat me as really strange when out socially or at a party. Now that I drink but still exercise control I get people insisting that "having one won't harm" me.
The numbers don't account for the well-heeled functioning alcoholics.
I was the opposite.
It was the done thing at an early age at the rugby club, then in to uni, then having found myself working in the drink industry it was easy to fall into a 'routine' of drinking all the time.
I'll be the first to admit it often caused problems, turned me into an occasional twat (even though I've only ever been a happy d*unk rather than abusive/violent) and was easy to fall into a social circle where if you weren't drinking people thought there was something wrong with you.
I've also been in relationships with heavy drinkers - what I'd term borderline dependants/alcoholics. It was not a good place to be and was a major turning point. I've lost friends and distanced myself from people over the years because of their drinking.
I still have the odd blowout - but it's rare. These days I can easily count the days of the week I have as little as a glass on one or two fingers, whereas ten years ago it would be hard to remember a day without touching a drop.
I don't blame anyone. It's down to individuals how they act in relation to alcohol.
But I do worry that 'peer pressure', the attitude of the young that they're 'indestructible' and the general acceptability of weekend binge drinking won't just be a general social problem but something that has the high potential to ruin individuals lives at an early age, and that governments attempts to educate are severely missing the point and failing to get the facts across.
A"
I worked in an all males sales environment in the 80s and every sale was celebrated with a drink. When I found myself going home and pouring myself a couple of fingers of whisky after being in the pub for the evening then I decided to stop completely.
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I've also been in relationships with heavy drinkers - what I'd term borderline dependants/alcoholics. It was not a good place to be and was a major turning point.
But I do worry that 'peer pressure', the attitude of the young that they're 'indestructible' and the general acceptability of weekend binge drinking won't just be a general social problem but something that has the high potential to ruin individuals lives at an early age, and that governments attempts to educate are severely missing the point and failing to get the facts across.
A
I was married to a borderline dependant/alcoholic. That was my turning point too and is probably why I very rarely drink nowadays and getting d*unk is a real rarity. Just because of past experiences.
I agree about peer pressure. I can recall being put under pressure in my teens, as even then I was not a massive drinker. I didn't like not being in full control of my actions. I have seen programmes about cirrhosis affecting younger and younger people, especially females, as their tolerance for alcohol is generally lower. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Don't think it's to do with price, it's to do with the drinking culture where it's cool to go out and get bladdered! Shows like Geordie Shore and kids thinking they have to behave like that to have a good time.]
I like a drink when I go out, not really one for drinking in the house, but I know my limits and my goal is to have a good time not to have a good time and get pissed."
I don't really see that behaviour when I travel to other countries to be honest. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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I've also been in relationships with heavy drinkers - what I'd term borderline dependants/alcoholics. It was not a good place to be and was a major turning point.
But I do worry that 'peer pressure', the attitude of the young that they're 'indestructible' and the general acceptability of weekend binge drinking won't just be a general social problem but something that has the high potential to ruin individuals lives at an early age, and that governments attempts to educate are severely missing the point and failing to get the facts across.
A
I was married to a borderline dependant/alcoholic. That was my turning point too and is probably why I very rarely drink nowadays and getting d*unk is a real rarity. Just because of past experiences.
I agree about peer pressure. I can recall being put under pressure in my teens, as even then I was not a massive drinker. I didn't like not being in full control of my actions. I have seen programmes about cirrhosis affecting younger and younger people, especially females, as their tolerance for alcohol is generally lower.
What amount of drink classes someone as a borderline alcoholic ! "
One glass if you NEED it to function. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's the acceptable and legal drug.
I spent twenty years tee total and people would treat me as really strange when out socially or at a party. Now that I drink but still exercise control I get people insisting that "having one won't harm" me.
The numbers don't account for the well-heeled functioning alcoholics.
I was the opposite.
It was the done thing at an early age at the rugby club, then in to uni, then having found myself working in the drink industry it was easy to fall into a 'routine' of drinking all the time.
I'll be the first to admit it often caused problems, turned me into an occasional twat (even though I've only ever been a happy d*unk rather than abusive/violent) and was easy to fall into a social circle where if you weren't drinking people thought there was something wrong with you.
I've also been in relationships with heavy drinkers - what I'd term borderline dependants/alcoholics. It was not a good place to be and was a major turning point. I've lost friends and distanced myself from people over the years because of their drinking.
I still have the odd blowout - but it's rare. These days I can easily count the days of the week I have as little as a glass on one or two fingers, whereas ten years ago it would be hard to remember a day without touching a drop.
I don't blame anyone. It's down to individuals how they act in relation to alcohol.
But I do worry that 'peer pressure', the attitude of the young that they're 'indestructible' and the general acceptability of weekend binge drinking won't just be a general social problem but something that has the high potential to ruin individuals lives at an early age, and that governments attempts to educate are severely missing the point and failing to get the facts across.
A
I worked in an all males sales environment in the 80s and every sale was celebrated with a drink. When I found myself going home and pouring myself a couple of fingers of whisky after being in the pub for the evening then I decided to stop completely.
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I worked for 2 different companies in London where it was expected you went to the pub every Friday. There'd be a few hundred quid behind the bar and it was expected that you stayed at the very least until the tab was d*unk dry. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I've also been in relationships with heavy drinkers - what I'd term borderline dependants/alcoholics. It was not a good place to be and was a major turning point.
But I do worry that 'peer pressure', the attitude of the young that they're 'indestructible' and the general acceptability of weekend binge drinking won't just be a general social problem but something that has the high potential to ruin individuals lives at an early age, and that governments attempts to educate are severely missing the point and failing to get the facts across.
A
I was married to a borderline dependant/alcoholic. That was my turning point too and is probably why I very rarely drink nowadays and getting d*unk is a real rarity. Just because of past experiences.
I agree about peer pressure. I can recall being put under pressure in my teens, as even then I was not a massive drinker. I didn't like not being in full control of my actions. I have seen programmes about cirrhosis affecting younger and younger people, especially females, as their tolerance for alcohol is generally lower.
What amount of drink classes someone as a borderline alcoholic ! "
I actually think my ex probably is one, but I am not the expert. He functions, holds a job down etc. He needs a drink though every night of the week - he would not go one night without at least 2-4 cans and often that follows onto wine etc. If you told him, you'd rather he didn't he would drink more. So yes, maybe the terminology is wrong, but I don't know how you decide when the line crosses from borderline to actual?
I guess it is a bit like being borderline anything - one day you aren't , the next day , you are? When the result of a medical test is borderline - there are changes which suggest it could become a reality. Isn't it the same kind of thing? |
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I've also been in relationships with heavy drinkers - what I'd term borderline dependants/alcoholics. It was not a good place to be and was a major turning point.
But I do worry that 'peer pressure', the attitude of the young that they're 'indestructible' and the general acceptability of weekend binge drinking won't just be a general social problem but something that has the high potential to ruin individuals lives at an early age, and that governments attempts to educate are severely missing the point and failing to get the facts across.
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I was married to a borderline dependant/alcoholic. That was my turning point too and is probably why I very rarely drink nowadays and getting d*unk is a real rarity. Just because of past experiences.
I agree about peer pressure. I can recall being put under pressure in my teens, as even then I was not a massive drinker. I didn't like not being in full control of my actions. I have seen programmes about cirrhosis affecting younger and younger people, especially females, as their tolerance for alcohol is generally lower.
What amount of drink classes someone as a borderline alcoholic !
One glass if you NEED it to function."
I drink to unwind after a long day does that make me one |
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Flood the streets with cheap and heroin, create addicts then push the price up = criminal behaviour.
Allow supermarkets to sell beer cider and wine at a cost comparable to water, then say you want to increase the tax and thats 'being responsible'!
Just how long till we are drinking 'Victory' gin? |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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I've also been in relationships with heavy drinkers - what I'd term borderline dependants/alcoholics. It was not a good place to be and was a major turning point.
But I do worry that 'peer pressure', the attitude of the young that they're 'indestructible' and the general acceptability of weekend binge drinking won't just be a general social problem but something that has the high potential to ruin individuals lives at an early age, and that governments attempts to educate are severely missing the point and failing to get the facts across.
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I was married to a borderline dependant/alcoholic. That was my turning point too and is probably why I very rarely drink nowadays and getting d*unk is a real rarity. Just because of past experiences.
I agree about peer pressure. I can recall being put under pressure in my teens, as even then I was not a massive drinker. I didn't like not being in full control of my actions. I have seen programmes about cirrhosis affecting younger and younger people, especially females, as their tolerance for alcohol is generally lower.
What amount of drink classes someone as a borderline alcoholic !
One glass if you NEED it to function.
I drink to unwind after a long day does that make me one "
Try not having the drink and then you will know. Go a week. |
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I've also been in relationships with heavy drinkers - what I'd term borderline dependants/alcoholics. It was not a good place to be and was a major turning point.
But I do worry that 'peer pressure', the attitude of the young that they're 'indestructible' and the general acceptability of weekend binge drinking won't just be a general social problem but something that has the high potential to ruin individuals lives at an early age, and that governments attempts to educate are severely missing the point and failing to get the facts across.
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I was married to a borderline dependant/alcoholic. That was my turning point too and is probably why I very rarely drink nowadays and getting d*unk is a real rarity. Just because of past experiences.
I agree about peer pressure. I can recall being put under pressure in my teens, as even then I was not a massive drinker. I didn't like not being in full control of my actions. I have seen programmes about cirrhosis affecting younger and younger people, especially females, as their tolerance for alcohol is generally lower.
What amount of drink classes someone as a borderline alcoholic !
I actually think my ex probably is one, but I am not the expert. He functions, holds a job down etc. He needs a drink though every night of the week - he would not go one night without at least 2-4 cans and often that follows onto wine etc. If you told him, you'd rather he didn't he would drink more. So yes, maybe the terminology is wrong, but I don't know how you decide when the line crosses from borderline to actual?
I guess it is a bit like being borderline anything - one day you aren't , the next day , you are? When the result of a medical test is borderline - there are changes which suggest it could become a reality. Isn't it the same kind of thing?"
I have no idea if how you would define a borderline alcoholic But the description above is a functioning alcoholic |
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By *bi HaiveMan
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I've also been in relationships with heavy drinkers - what I'd term borderline dependants/alcoholics. It was not a good place to be and was a major turning point.
But I do worry that 'peer pressure', the attitude of the young that they're 'indestructible' and the general acceptability of weekend binge drinking won't just be a general social problem but something that has the high potential to ruin individuals lives at an early age, and that governments attempts to educate are severely missing the point and failing to get the facts across.
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I was married to a borderline dependant/alcoholic. That was my turning point too and is probably why I very rarely drink nowadays and getting d*unk is a real rarity. Just because of past experiences.
I agree about peer pressure. I can recall being put under pressure in my teens, as even then I was not a massive drinker. I didn't like not being in full control of my actions. I have seen programmes about cirrhosis affecting younger and younger people, especially females, as their tolerance for alcohol is generally lower.
What amount of drink classes someone as a borderline alcoholic !
I actually think my ex probably is one, but I am not the expert. He functions, holds a job down etc. He needs a drink though every night of the week - he would not go one night without at least 2-4 cans and often that follows onto wine etc. If you told him, you'd rather he didn't he would drink more. So yes, maybe the terminology is wrong, but I don't know how you decide when the line crosses from borderline to actual?
I guess it is a bit like being borderline anything - one day you aren't , the next day , you are? When the result of a medical test is borderline - there are changes which suggest it could become a reality. Isn't it the same kind of thing?"
This.
In the case of alcohol - when it's a daily routine, in quantity, for no other train than habit - whether you've had a good day or bad, whether there's been a motivator (i.e shit day at work, specific influencing occurrence) or not - and your first action is to pour a glass, then another, and before you know it the bottle is gone and it's on to the next. When your attitude is affected - you're not happy/relaxed til you've had a drink. When your ability to have a reasoned, rational conversation is impaired - pre drink or post. When others start to comment on your behaviour - partners, close friends, family or total strangers.
That - to me - is when the word borderline comes into the equation.
Although by then whether it's borderline or full blown dependency is open to debate.
Either way - not something I'm ever prepared to experience again.
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I've also been in relationships with heavy drinkers - what I'd term borderline dependants/alcoholics. It was not a good place to be and was a major turning point.
But I do worry that 'peer pressure', the attitude of the young that they're 'indestructible' and the general acceptability of weekend binge drinking won't just be a general social problem but something that has the high potential to ruin individuals lives at an early age, and that governments attempts to educate are severely missing the point and failing to get the facts across.
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I was married to a borderline dependant/alcoholic. That was my turning point too and is probably why I very rarely drink nowadays and getting d*unk is a real rarity. Just because of past experiences.
I agree about peer pressure. I can recall being put under pressure in my teens, as even then I was not a massive drinker. I didn't like not being in full control of my actions. I have seen programmes about cirrhosis affecting younger and younger people, especially females, as their tolerance for alcohol is generally lower.
What amount of drink classes someone as a borderline alcoholic !
I actually think my ex probably is one, but I am not the expert. He functions, holds a job down etc. He needs a drink though every night of the week - he would not go one night without at least 2-4 cans and often that follows onto wine etc. If you told him, you'd rather he didn't he would drink more. So yes, maybe the terminology is wrong, but I don't know how you decide when the line crosses from borderline to actual?
I guess it is a bit like being borderline anything - one day you aren't , the next day , you are? When the result of a medical test is borderline - there are changes which suggest it could become a reality. Isn't it the same kind of thing?
I have no idea if how you would define a borderline alcoholic But the description above is a functioning alcoholic"
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I've also been in relationships with heavy drinkers - what I'd term borderline dependants/alcoholics. It was not a good place to be and was a major turning point.
But I do worry that 'peer pressure', the attitude of the young that they're 'indestructible' and the general acceptability of weekend binge drinking won't just be a general social problem but something that has the high potential to ruin individuals lives at an early age, and that governments attempts to educate are severely missing the point and failing to get the facts across.
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I was married to a borderline dependant/alcoholic. That was my turning point too and is probably why I very rarely drink nowadays and getting d*unk is a real rarity. Just because of past experiences.
I agree about peer pressure. I can recall being put under pressure in my teens, as even then I was not a massive drinker. I didn't like not being in full control of my actions. I have seen programmes about cirrhosis affecting younger and younger people, especially females, as their tolerance for alcohol is generally lower.
What amount of drink classes someone as a borderline alcoholic !
I actually think my ex probably is one, but I am not the expert. He functions, holds a job down etc. He needs a drink though every night of the week - he would not go one night without at least 2-4 cans and often that follows onto wine etc. If you told him, you'd rather he didn't he would drink more. So yes, maybe the terminology is wrong, but I don't know how you decide when the line crosses from borderline to actual?
I guess it is a bit like being borderline anything - one day you aren't , the next day , you are? When the result of a medical test is borderline - there are changes which suggest it could become a reality. Isn't it the same kind of thing?"
To me i always looked at if you crave a drink in the morning or during the day then you have problems both of which I don't do unless on holiday  |
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I've also been in relationships with heavy drinkers - what I'd term borderline dependants/alcoholics. It was not a good place to be and was a major turning point.
But I do worry that 'peer pressure', the attitude of the young that they're 'indestructible' and the general acceptability of weekend binge drinking won't just be a general social problem but something that has the high potential to ruin individuals lives at an early age, and that governments attempts to educate are severely missing the point and failing to get the facts across.
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I was married to a borderline dependant/alcoholic. That was my turning point too and is probably why I very rarely drink nowadays and getting d*unk is a real rarity. Just because of past experiences.
I agree about peer pressure. I can recall being put under pressure in my teens, as even then I was not a massive drinker. I didn't like not being in full control of my actions. I have seen programmes about cirrhosis affecting younger and younger people, especially females, as their tolerance for alcohol is generally lower.
What amount of drink classes someone as a borderline alcoholic !
I actually think my ex probably is one, but I am not the expert. He functions, holds a job down etc. He needs a drink though every night of the week - he would not go one night without at least 2-4 cans and often that follows onto wine etc. If you told him, you'd rather he didn't he would drink more. So yes, maybe the terminology is wrong, but I don't know how you decide when the line crosses from borderline to actual?
I guess it is a bit like being borderline anything - one day you aren't , the next day , you are? When the result of a medical test is borderline - there are changes which suggest it could become a reality. Isn't it the same kind of thing?
To me i always looked at if you crave a drink in the morning or during the day then you have problems both of which I don't do unless on holiday "
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I think you could only buy alcohol in off licences and pubs about 25 ish years ago but I may be wrong. If thats true then I guess that supermarkets and cornershops could be the problem. |
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I've also been in relationships with heavy drinkers - what I'd term borderline dependants/alcoholics. It was not a good place to be and was a major turning point.
But I do worry that 'peer pressure', the attitude of the young that they're 'indestructible' and the general acceptability of weekend binge drinking won't just be a general social problem but something that has the high potential to ruin individuals lives at an early age, and that governments attempts to educate are severely missing the point and failing to get the facts across.
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I was married to a borderline dependant/alcoholic. That was my turning point too and is probably why I very rarely drink nowadays and getting d*unk is a real rarity. Just because of past experiences.
I agree about peer pressure. I can recall being put under pressure in my teens, as even then I was not a massive drinker. I didn't like not being in full control of my actions. I have seen programmes about cirrhosis affecting younger and younger people, especially females, as their tolerance for alcohol is generally lower.
What amount of drink classes someone as a borderline alcoholic !
I actually think my ex probably is one, but I am not the expert. He functions, holds a job down etc. He needs a drink though every night of the week - he would not go one night without at least 2-4 cans and often that follows onto wine etc. If you told him, you'd rather he didn't he would drink more. So yes, maybe the terminology is wrong, but I don't know how you decide when the line crosses from borderline to actual?
I guess it is a bit like being borderline anything - one day you aren't , the next day , you are? When the result of a medical test is borderline - there are changes which suggest it could become a reality. Isn't it the same kind of thing?
To me i always looked at if you crave a drink in the morning or during the day then you have problems both of which I don't do unless on holiday
Not necessarily you get functioning alcoholics who won't drink in the day but will drink to excess after work. "
The main problem in my eyes is that unlike smoking where it is totally bad for you, is that a certain amount of alcohol is good for you |
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"I think you could only buy alcohol in off licences and pubs about 25 ish years ago but I may be wrong. If thats true then I guess that supermarkets and cornershops could be the problem."
Is it a problem of freedom of choice |
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Then crap like this could go in there."
would need parity for those of us who choose not to read such papers..
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I've also been in relationships with heavy drinkers - what I'd term borderline dependants/alcoholics. It was not a good place to be and was a major turning point.
But I do worry that 'peer pressure', the attitude of the young that they're 'indestructible' and the general acceptability of weekend binge drinking won't just be a general social problem but something that has the high potential to ruin individuals lives at an early age, and that governments attempts to educate are severely missing the point and failing to get the facts across.
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I was married to a borderline dependant/alcoholic. That was my turning point too and is probably why I very rarely drink nowadays and getting d*unk is a real rarity. Just because of past experiences.
I agree about peer pressure. I can recall being put under pressure in my teens, as even then I was not a massive drinker. I didn't like not being in full control of my actions. I have seen programmes about cirrhosis affecting younger and younger people, especially females, as their tolerance for alcohol is generally lower.
What amount of drink classes someone as a borderline alcoholic !
I actually think my ex probably is one, but I am not the expert. He functions, holds a job down etc. He needs a drink though every night of the week - he would not go one night without at least 2-4 cans and often that follows onto wine etc. If you told him, you'd rather he didn't he would drink more. So yes, maybe the terminology is wrong, but I don't know how you decide when the line crosses from borderline to actual?
I guess it is a bit like being borderline anything - one day you aren't , the next day , you are? When the result of a medical test is borderline - there are changes which suggest it could become a reality. Isn't it the same kind of thing?
To me i always looked at if you crave a drink in the morning or during the day then you have problems both of which I don't do unless on holiday
Not necessarily you get functioning alcoholics who won't drink in the day but will drink to excess after work.
The main problem in my eyes is that unlike smoking where it is totally bad for you, is that a certain amount of alcohol is good for you "
No amount of alcohol is good for you... |
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The idea that price is to blame is one that politicians and doctors trot out on a regular basis without even thinking it through. All price hikes do is make the responsible drinkers drink less and the bingers and alcoholics will divert money from other things to afford the alcohol. I have heard young women discussing stealing clothes in order to save money to go out drinking. Price isn't the problem, attitude and the drinking culture in this country is.
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My cousin died due to liver failure from alcoholism and an uncle in Australia who was also an alcoholic. He died recently too but I don't know the cause. I have another Uncle and cousin father and son, both functioning alcoholics. Their alcoholism began way before the advent of modern drining trends however it has been enabled by the readily available cheap alcohol available in supermarkets.
I drink but generally only at weekends or on the odd occasion during the week. I only get d*unk once in a blue moon, however I realised a number of years ago I needed to cut down my alcohol intake otherwise I'd join my relatives.
The culture of the place I worked at the time was a drinking culture. Thankfully they gave me a company car so I stopped drinking at lunchtime and in the evenings after work so I could drive. The change in mode of transport saved me along with a personal change in attitude to alcohol. |
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I've also been in relationships with heavy drinkers - what I'd term borderline dependants/alcoholics. It was not a good place to be and was a major turning point.
But I do worry that 'peer pressure', the attitude of the young that they're 'indestructible' and the general acceptability of weekend binge drinking won't just be a general social problem but something that has the high potential to ruin individuals lives at an early age, and that governments attempts to educate are severely missing the point and failing to get the facts across.
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I was married to a borderline dependant/alcoholic. That was my turning point too and is probably why I very rarely drink nowadays and getting d*unk is a real rarity. Just because of past experiences.
I agree about peer pressure. I can recall being put under pressure in my teens, as even then I was not a massive drinker. I didn't like not being in full control of my actions. I have seen programmes about cirrhosis affecting younger and younger people, especially females, as their tolerance for alcohol is generally lower.
What amount of drink classes someone as a borderline alcoholic !
I actually think my ex probably is one, but I am not the expert. He functions, holds a job down etc. He needs a drink though every night of the week - he would not go one night without at least 2-4 cans and often that follows onto wine etc. If you told him, you'd rather he didn't he would drink more. So yes, maybe the terminology is wrong, but I don't know how you decide when the line crosses from borderline to actual?
I guess it is a bit like being borderline anything - one day you aren't , the next day , you are? When the result of a medical test is borderline - there are changes which suggest it could become a reality. Isn't it the same kind of thing?
To me i always looked at if you crave a drink in the morning or during the day then you have problems both of which I don't do unless on holiday
Not necessarily you get functioning alcoholics who won't drink in the day but will drink to excess after work.
The main problem in my eyes is that unlike smoking where it is totally bad for you, is that a certain amount of alcohol is good for you
No amount of alcohol is good for you..."
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By *heOwlMan
over a year ago
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"interesting threads for Daily mail/_xpress readers"
Then crap like this could go in there."
Having watched my step father die due to internal bleading, at both ends of his digestive system, after loosing his very tough fight with alcohol abuse, I sincerely hope that you never find yourself in a position where one drink to relieve the stress becomes to many.
At the end of the day alcohol abuse is something we can all slip into, and the more people are made aware of that the better. |
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A great and real discussion here thanks.
Discussions have touched on some of the issues around peer pressure, mental health, cultures etc all of which influence the individual and can impact on their self control and ability to manage and avoid the collateral damage that can arise from abuse of any situation be it drugs, alcohol or physical relationship. Sadly we seem to be too readily influenced by commercial pressures as a country and to support our economic evaluations by governments who are influenced by lobbyists and on an individual basis there are those that could benefit from stronger regulation but it is difficult to manage without restricting those who are stronger willed and better able to deal with the down side.
Ultimately we would need a radical changed society and culture to re validate and re structure our world to make a fairer place but it isn't likely to happen in our lifetimes if ever !
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"A great and real discussion here thanks.
Discussions have touched on some of the issues around peer pressure, mental health, cultures etc all of which influence the individual and can impact on their self control and ability to manage and avoid the collateral damage that can arise from abuse of any situation be it drugs, alcohol or physical relationship. Sadly we seem to be too readily influenced by commercial pressures as a country and to support our economic evaluations by governments who are influenced by lobbyists and on an individual basis there are those that could benefit from stronger regulation but it is difficult to manage without restricting those who are stronger willed and better able to deal with the down side.
Ultimately we would need a radical changed society and culture to re validate and re structure our world to make a fairer place but it isn't likely to happen in our lifetimes if ever !
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There were probably alcoholics in the roman times and there was orgy's |
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"Of all the drugs there are I would say alcohol and tobacco are the worst.
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Kinda agree. A friend of mine's in an up And coming band and he's a massive head. But he's never aggressive. Just flakey.
I'd rather hang out with someone who smokes a joint or two than a pisshead.
Much more of a chilled atmosphere. And the conversations are way better too.
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price does have a role to play there's tons of economic research about drugs and about how supply and demand effects price and what that does to crime rates and how many people use drugs especially people on low wages and young people.
One thing I would say the research on drugs suggests it's a demand problem not a supply problem but raising the price of beer by taxing it could be used to treat the alcoholics.
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"price does have a role to play there's tons of economic research about drugs and about how supply and demand effects price and what that does to crime rates and how many people use drugs especially people on low wages and young people.
One thing I would say the research on drugs suggests it's a demand problem not a supply problem but raising the price of beer by taxing it could be used to treat the alcoholics.
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Unfortunately that is unfair to the majority of people |
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"price does have a role to play there's tons of economic research about drugs and about how supply and demand effects price and what that does to crime rates and how many people use drugs especially people on low wages and young people.
One thing I would say the research on drugs suggests it's a demand problem not a supply problem but raising the price of beer by taxing it could be used to treat the alcoholics.
Unfortunately that is unfair to the majority of people "
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"It's the acceptable and legal drug.
I spent twenty years tee total and people would treat me as really strange when out socially or at a party. Now that I drink but still exercise control I get people insisting that "having one won't harm" me.
The numbers don't account for the well-heeled functioning alcoholics.
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In my yoof, I drank because everybody else did but I only ever got falling down d*unk once. I finally grew up and realised alcohol has no appeal to me at all and when in company, others really struggle with it. It's bought up time and time again and makes people uncomfortable that I'm happy with coffee or soda water. |
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"It's the acceptable and legal drug.
I spent twenty years tee total and people would treat me as really strange when out socially or at a party. Now that I drink but still exercise control I get people insisting that "having one won't harm" me.
The numbers don't account for the well-heeled functioning alcoholics.
In my yoof, I drank because everybody else did but I only ever got falling down d*unk once. I finally grew up and realised alcohol has no appeal to me at all and when in company, others really struggle with it. It's bought up time and time again and makes people uncomfortable that I'm happy with coffee or soda water."
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"It's the acceptable and legal drug.
I spent twenty years tee total and people would treat me as really strange when out socially or at a party. Now that I drink but still exercise control I get people insisting that "having one won't harm" me.
The numbers don't account for the well-heeled functioning alcoholics.
In my yoof, I drank because everybody else did but I only ever got falling down d*unk once. I finally grew up and realised alcohol has no appeal to me at all and when in company, others really struggle with it. It's bought up time and time again and makes people uncomfortable that I'm happy with coffee or soda water.
I would more than happy be in your company you could do the driving"
That's an interesting response. Can't you have a night out without alcohol? |
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"It's the acceptable and legal drug.
I spent twenty years tee total and people would treat me as really strange when out socially or at a party. Now that I drink but still exercise control I get people insisting that "having one won't harm" me.
The numbers don't account for the well-heeled functioning alcoholics.
In my yoof, I drank because everybody else did but I only ever got falling down d*unk once. I finally grew up and realised alcohol has no appeal to me at all and when in company, others really struggle with it. It's bought up time and time again and makes people uncomfortable that I'm happy with coffee or soda water.
I would more than happy be in your company you could do the driving
That's an interesting response. Can't you have a night out without alcohol?"
Yes I can I have to take my turn in driving |
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I rarely drink alcohol and get ridiculed for it. I've gotten d*unk when younger and stupid and don't want a repeat of that again. I'm usually the sensible one having a cola while the rest of my buddies are getting smashed.
It's saddening to see so many people relying on the booze to have a good time. I know of people affected by alcohol addiction and it's not good. |
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"It's the acceptable and legal drug.
I spent twenty years tee total and people would treat me as really strange when out socially or at a party. Now that I drink but still exercise control I get people insisting that "having one won't harm" me.
The numbers don't account for the well-heeled functioning alcoholics.
In my yoof, I drank because everybody else did but I only ever got falling down d*unk once. I finally grew up and realised alcohol has no appeal to me at all and when in company, others really struggle with it. It's bought up time and time again and makes people uncomfortable that I'm happy with coffee or soda water.
I would more than happy be in your company you could do the driving
That's an interesting response. Can't you have a night out without alcohol?
Yes I can I have to take my turn in driving "
That sad face suggests that alcohol is very important to you and you need it to enjoy yourself on a night out? |
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Having owned and run a few pubs and bars mainly in the London/Essex area i believe that hiking the price of cheap beer in supermarkets wont make a dent in the problem and any extra tax raised certainly wont be diverted directly to the NHS, From my observation its more the Short Snort n Shot culture that brings out the worst in youngsters..Friday night Start on the JD's then thinking you need a pick me up so stick 40 sovs worth of nose powder up your Hooter them oh yeah lets do some Shots coz we're bouncing.
8 JD's half Gram of drain cleaner followed by 8 Shots in half Hour isnt cheap just Mental. 
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By *arehamMan
over a year ago
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Alcohol is a known poison ,when you are very d*unk they say you are as close to death as you ever want to be,a friends daughter got d*unk one night and feel asleep on the settle ,her boyfriend thought I will not wake her up to go bed,so he went to bed,to find her dead the next morning,what had happened was she was laid on her back and she was sick,she swallowed it and choked to death,if she had gone to bed or laid on her front she might have got away with it,so sad. |
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"I have nothing against people liking a drink but years ago when I was growing up in the 70s, 80s you didn't used to see so many young people getting d*unk everywhere especialy young women, now they seem almost proud of the fact that they are getting pissed out of their minds all the time. I don't know why because it makes you feel like shit the next day. There was an article in the mail online where a woman talked to younger women who liked to go out and get d*unk and it was said that young women who drink a lot on a regular basis have low self esteem and lack confidence."
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By definition of the World Health Organisation's classification definitions, alcohol would rate as higher than the "A" category, which includes heroin and cocaine.
Personally, I would ban "pre-mixed" drinks like fruit-flavoured alcopops. Having to buy separate spirits and mixers may help to cut down on teen drinking IMO. |
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"I have nothing against people liking a drink but years ago when I was growing up in the 70s, 80s you didn't used to see so many young people getting d*unk everywhere especialy young women, now they seem almost proud of the fact that they are getting pissed out of their minds all the time. I don't know why because it makes you feel like shit the next day. There was an article in the mail online where a woman talked to younger women who liked to go out and get d*unk and it
was said that young women who drink a lot on a
regular basis have low self esteem and lack
confidence.Most of the lazy fuckers dont get up
the next day until late afternoon "
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By *razedcatMan
over a year ago
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We don't have an alcohol problem, We have a mental health problem. You have to be a little unwell If you feel you have to be wasted to have a good time. Perhaps you've got too many stresses that you'd rather forget about, or unhappy memories, or you're too shy or anxious to communicate effectively when you're sober? Personally, I feel a moderated alcohol intake is fine, prohibiting anything will usually create the very opposite result one hopes for.
In any case, banning and/or making things more expensive isn't a long term solution. Moderate drinkers will suffer unecessarily, and hardened ones will eventually find a way of obtaining their desired amount or alcohol type.
Education is critical. People should grow up respecting the potency of the drink and the power it has to ruin lives. |
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"you only have to read the forums about the celebration of drinking..."
It seems to be the same everywhere. People seem to revel in how much they puked/ how many hours they have no memory of/ how many days they were hungover.  |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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There is a web-site for those needing advice on their drinking: dontbottleitup dot org dot uk.
There is also an App called drinkcoach which has a drinks tracker that records units, calories and cost for you. At the end of the week you can see how much you have had. You do have to be honest and put the information in though.
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The great thing about being a single guy who can't accommodate and possessing near limitless optimism is that I rarely drink on friday/Saturday night just in case I get a call to arms (or legs, thighs, hips etc).
Cough... Hint... ahem...
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There is also an App called drinkcoach which has a drinks tracker that records units, calories and cost for you. At the end of the week you can see how much you have had. You do have to be honest and put the information in though.
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You sound like my doctor |
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I am a recovering alcoholic, actually I will be 4 years sober tomorrow, yay!! But I am a rarity, not many get sober and stay sober, most will die a painful lonely death, once you go past the point of maybe drinking to much to having a problem it is nothing but pain!! I was physically and emotionally done, if I hadn't got sober I would be dead by now if not by the alcohol itself then by suicide for sure, did you know alcohol is the only detox you can die from. it is more dangerous than any drug, it kills more than any other substance with the exception of tobacco. My life today is calm and a little bit boring but thank god for boring!! Alcohol and drugs are creating a world I am afraid of, desperate people willing to do wat the have to to get what they need to survive, we are creating our own future hell!
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"I am a recovering alcoholic, actually I will be 4 years sober tomorrow, yay!! But I am a rarity, not many get sober and stay sober, most will die a painful lonely death, once you go past the point of maybe drinking to much to having a problem it is nothing but pain!! I was physically and emotionally done, if I hadn't got sober I would be dead by now if not by the alcohol itself then by suicide for sure, did you know alcohol is the only detox you can die from. it is more dangerous than any drug, it kills more than any other substance with the exception of tobacco. My life today is calm and a little bit boring but thank god for boring!! Alcohol and drugs are creating a world I am afraid of, desperate people willing to do wat the have to to get what they need to survive, we are creating our own future hell!
That is an alcoholics opinion but I'm an angel now lol "
It might be a bit boring but you are alive enjoy
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"its been a social problem for hundreds of years, the cost to peoples lives let alone the impact on services already struggling etc will only continue to rise.."
Hundreds?
Giraldus Cambrensis had a moan about the drinking habits of the Celts....
I do think drinking culture has changed even in my lifetime. I think as a whole, people drink less now because they are more aware of the dangers of drinking and driving, but when they do pull the stops out, they seem to drink more - and I reckon it has a lot to do with mixing into the equation. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"There is a web-site for those needing advice on their drinking: dontbottleitup dot org dot uk.
There is also an App called drinkcoach which has a drinks tracker that records units, calories and cost for you. At the end of the week you can see how much you have had. You do have to be honest and put the information in though.
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Most weeks for me would say 0 units, 0 calories and a cost of £0
I may be blonde but I think I can track that myself  |
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"Just reading that 1.4 million people in this country are addicted to alcohol. I actually think that number is vastly under estimated and the number is higher.
During my everyday life, I seem to have increasingly come across people who's lives have been seriously affected by alcohol.
Years ago, it was less easy to buy so cheaply and not so readily available in so many outlets. I know we are all responsible for our own actions, some people have addictive personalities, life events happen and can start a person down a path that they find difficult to get off.
I just wonder where it will all end? "
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I think adults should be given full ownership and control over their own bodies. This would include the ability to end their life with assistance and also use of controlled sustances including alcohol. Changing prices etc just hits the poor harder and has no effect on others. The state needs to respect and treat adults as the adults that they are. |
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"I can count on two hands the amount of family members I have in Denmark who are alcoholics, I've had family member pass away due to liver failure..in Denmark it's so socially acceptable to drink over there..my mum and dad liked a drink though both cut down due to medical health issues.. "
How the heck do they afford to be alcoholics over there?
Or am I thinking of Sweden with the 20 quid plus for the average 5 quid bottle of plonk. |
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"I think adults should be given full ownership and control over their own bodies. This would include the ability to end their life with assistance and also use of controlled sustances including alcohol. Changing prices etc just hits the poor harder and has no effect on others. The state needs to respect and treat adults as the adults that they are. "
Interesting point should suicidaly depressed people also be allowed access to assisted suicide?
It is often seen acceptable for escape from physical pain but not acceptable for entail pain. |
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"I think adults should be given full ownership and control over their own bodies. This would include the ability to end their life with assistance and also use of controlled sustances including alcohol. Changing prices etc just hits the poor harder and has no effect on others. The state needs to respect and treat adults as the adults that they are. "
I work 5 days a week, some people work more...we get very few days to do anything..of course we are gonna binge at some points...I think I've contributed enough to society not to nannied.
Again, most of us live in polluted cities etc...the facts are never explained and its always put down to cigarettes.
I agree, alcohol is a problem substance, of course they have outlawed other drugs,but take any of these illegal ones and your seen as having a drug problem...despite many probably taking them in more moderation than those using alcohol...
lastly, not everyone wants to fit into a teetotal 'healthy' lifestyle...some people make the choice to jump off cliffs..I choose to have a drink and the occasional fag(back on the electrics asap..just cheaper lol) |
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Hundreds of Years Ago People Were Smuggling Alcohol to the UK..
It still Happens.. But Now it seems more popular and profitable to smuggle people and ciggys..
You just need to look at some of the Stories on the internet about people with Cancer And other life threating Health problems being helped and sometimes CURED with Cannabis OIL 
According to our government or someone telling them - All these people went on be taking harder and more addictive substances..
Like Alcohol..  |
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"I think adults should be given full ownership and control over their own bodies. This would include the ability to end their life with assistance and also use of controlled sustances including alcohol. Changing prices etc just hits the poor harder and has no effect on others. The state needs to respect and treat adults as the adults that they are. "
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