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By *aid backMan
over a year ago
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its a sad outcome from such a talented footballer. it shows that footbalers need help in dealing with fame and fortune how many footballers have ended up broke or addicted to drugs gambling or what ever |
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over a year ago
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"looks like he's started hitting the bottle again. Rather that sad he cant keep off it, can see it killing him in the not too distant future.Oh he looks awful, so sad.  "
Self inflicted sorry to say,so many chances and he just spurns them ...They were right he is the next George Best not the new one |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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"looks like he's started hitting the bottle again. Rather that sad he cant keep off it, can see it killing him in the not too distant future.Oh he looks awful, so sad. Self inflicted sorry to say,so many chances and he just spurns them ...They were right he is the next George Best not the new one"
It being self inflicted or not, its still sad to see someone fighting a disease, and it destroying them.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"looks like he's started hitting the bottle again. Rather that sad he cant keep off it, can see it killing him in the not too distant future.Oh he looks awful, so sad. Self inflicted sorry to say,so many chances and he just spurns them ...They were right he is the next George Best not the new oneIt being self inflicted or not, its still sad to see someone fighting a disease, and it destroying them. "
We dont see Drinking Smoking and drugs as a disease , we see it as a lifestyle choice and have very little sympathy for those in and out of expensive clinics for the rich and famous |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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"looks like he's started hitting the bottle again. Rather that sad he cant keep off it, can see it killing him in the not too distant future.Oh he looks awful, so sad. Self inflicted sorry to say,so many chances and he just spurns them ...They were right he is the next George Best not the new oneIt being self inflicted or not, its still sad to see someone fighting a disease, and it destroying them. We dont see Drinking Smoking and drugs as a disease , we see it as a lifestyle choice and have very little sympathy for those in and out of expensive clinics for the rich and famous"
Well that's your choice, having worked in that sector I see it very differently. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"looks like he's started hitting the bottle again. Rather that sad he cant keep off it, can see it killing him in the not too distant future.Oh he looks awful, so sad. Self inflicted sorry to say,so many chances and he just spurns them ...They were right he is the next George Best not the new oneIt being self inflicted or not, its still sad to see someone fighting a disease, and it destroying them. We dont see Drinking Smoking and drugs as a disease , we see it as a lifestyle choice and have very little sympathy for those in and out of expensive clinics for the rich and famous"
Seriously?!
Do you hold the same narrow minded opinion towards people with mental illness too?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It is recognised alcoholism is a disease. Affects people in all walks of life, rich or poor."
 yeap and I cant understand why people have no sympathy,,very sad seeing a persons life fall apart |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"looks like he's started hitting the bottle again. Rather that sad he cant keep off it, can see it killing him in the not too distant future.Oh he looks awful, so sad. Self inflicted sorry to say,so many chances and he just spurns them ...They were right he is the next George Best not the new one"
Sorry to say but I agree 100% shame |
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"It is recognised alcoholism is a disease. Affects people in all walks of life, rich or poor.
yeap and I cant understand why people have no sympathy,,very sad seeing a persons life fall apart"
I've seen at close quarters what it does to both the individual and those closest to them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Britain is a bad statistic for alcohol abuse, Scotland in particular. A culture shift will take years, awareness is better though.
Gazza had real demons, like many others, I often wonder how much help he has had that has worked over the years. Sad state of affairs, regardless of people's opinions and _iews. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It is recognised alcoholism is a disease. Affects people in all walks of life, rich or poor.
yeap and I cant understand why people have no sympathy,,very sad seeing a persons life fall apart
I've seen at close quarters what it does to both the individual and those closest to them."
yeap seen it too |
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"looks like he's started hitting the bottle again. Rather that sad he cant keep off it, can see it killing him in the not too distant future.Oh he looks awful, so sad. Self inflicted sorry to say,so many chances and he just spurns them ...They were right he is the next George Best not the new oneIt being self inflicted or not, its still sad to see someone fighting a disease, and it destroying them. We dont see Drinking Smoking and drugs as a disease , we see it as a lifestyle choice and have very little sympathy for those in and out of expensive clinics for the rich and famous"
I hope you are using "we" to signify you and your partner as opposed to "we" the general public. I truly hope you and your kin never have to deal with these "lifestyle choices"......
I guess you believe that Robin Williams should have manned up and got a grip of himself ?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"looks like he's started hitting the bottle again. Rather that sad he cant keep off it, can see it killing him in the not too distant future.Oh he looks awful, so sad. Self inflicted sorry to say,so many chances and he just spurns them ...They were right he is the next George Best not the new oneIt being self inflicted or not, its still sad to see someone fighting a disease, and it destroying them. We dont see Drinking Smoking and drugs as a disease , we see it as a lifestyle choice and have very little sympathy for those in and out of expensive clinics for the rich and famous"
you cant help someone untill they help themselfs there for its a choice of life..... keep doing it and end up dead or dont do it and try live the rest of your life their choice in my eyes!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Addiction is an evil illness. The lack of compassion shown by some disgusts me as much as it saddens me. Though sadly I suspect some who are showing sympathy (speaking generally not on this thread) would have less compassion for an heroin addict or tge more stereotypical image of an alcoholic. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Wow I can't believe people can turn round and say no sympathy it's an illness and addictions are not easy to kick despite how much help he or anyone gets . It's a shame for anyone to be in that state he's in but there is plenty out there that is . |
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You can offer all the help in the world to someone who has a substance misuse issue, some are too far down the addiction route to be "saved" but there are others that embrace it and become sober....beating an addiction is fucking hard...I have little time for people who mock addiction or assume it's all the persons fault...having worked within the substance misuse sector I've seen the most successful of people turn to drugs or alcohol due to life or a event that happened...it's sad to watch someone kill themselves slowly...I wish Gazza well but I fear it's too late for him but in life there is hope. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It is recognised alcoholism is a disease. Affects people in all walks of life, rich or poor.
yeap and I cant understand why people have no sympathy,,very sad seeing a persons life fall apart
I've seen at close quarters what it does to both the individual and those closest to them.
yeap seen it too "
ive seen it too hence why i think like i do.......... on this subject!....... its ok keep chucking help at them untill they help them selfs nobody elts help works you just go around in circles unfortunatly... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It is recognised alcoholism is a disease. Affects people in all walks of life, rich or poor.
yeap and I cant understand why people have no sympathy,,very sad seeing a persons life fall apart"
I can't understand it either, some people have a very strange outlook on life.... |
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"It is recognised alcoholism is a disease. Affects people in all walks of life, rich or poor.
yeap and I cant understand why people have no sympathy,,very sad seeing a persons life fall apart
I can't understand it either, some people have a very strange outlook on life...."
I have every sympathy for everyone who is involved with an addicted person, children, husbands, wives, parents. It destroys entire families and is a disease that goes far beyond the sufferer in its effects. |
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I saw a picture on twitter last night with a few celebs _xpressing sympathy - I didn't even recognise who it was until I saw reference later in the evening. So sad.
It amazes me how many people come out with "until they help themselves…." kind of comments - the nature of addition means that as an addict, you find it impossible to help yourself. Short term rehab is good, but long term, the addition will still eat at you. Yes, there are things people can do, but usually only when they are supported by others. Its heartbreaking for anyone associated with a person who suffers from addiction, and Gazza's case is no different. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him"
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame"
You really don't know anything about addiction do you? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame
You really don't know anything about addiction do you?"
i actually dont care if im hated for putting what i have on this thread.... my bilogical prick of a father was an alcoholic who died 2weeks ago through alcohol trust me i no about addiction and what it does i blame him for killing himself...... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You can offer all the help in the world to someone who has a substance misuse issue, some are too far down the addiction route to be "saved" but there are others that embrace it and become sober....beating an addiction is fucking hard...I have little time for people who mock addiction or assume it's all the persons fault...having worked within the substance misuse sector I've seen the most successful of people turn to drugs or alcohol due to life or a event that happened...it's sad to watch someone kill themselves slowly...I wish Gazza well but I fear it's too late for him but in life there is hope. "
I'm slightly cynical about the amount of media coverage because he is 'famous' there are thousands of normal people doing the same. They just get slammed in the press for being weak. NHS support for addiction is hard to find. Meanwhile the media go on telling you that you are not slim, tall or beautiful enough. They are helping to create future addicts.
The only consolation is that the media spotlight may make a few people look at their drinking and steer clear of future danger. |
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"You can offer all the help in the world to someone who has a substance misuse issue, some are too far down the addiction route to be "saved" but there are others that embrace it and become sober....beating an addiction is fucking hard...I have little time for people who mock addiction or assume it's all the persons fault...having worked within the substance misuse sector I've seen the most successful of people turn to drugs or alcohol due to life or a event that happened...it's sad to watch someone kill themselves slowly...I wish Gazza well but I fear it's too late for him but in life there is hope.
I'm slightly cynical about the amount of media coverage because he is 'famous' there are thousands of normal people doing the same. They just get slammed in the press for being weak. NHS support for addiction is hard to find. Meanwhile the media go on telling you that you are not slim, tall or beautiful enough. They are helping to create future addicts.
The only consolation is that the media spotlight may make a few people look at their drinking and steer clear of future danger. "
I agree I've been through addiction, I do drink alcohol but not to excess and have cut down etc...I agree the substance misuse support services have had funding slashed etc.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I saw a picture on twitter last night with a few celebs _xpressing sympathy - I didn't even recognise who it was until I saw reference later in the evening. So sad.
It amazes me how many people come out with "until they help themselves…." kind of comments - the nature of addition means that as an addict, you find it impossible to help yourself. Short term rehab is good, but long term, the addition will still eat at you. Yes, there are things people can do, but usually only when they are supported by others. Its heartbreaking for anyone associated with a person who suffers from addiction, and Gazza's case is no different."
When they say help themselves they made decide for themselves that they want to stop, if someone doesn't really want to stop there addiction for themselves then they might stop for 12 months 2 years but will relapse because there doing it for other people not themselves, |
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him"
Oh come on, that's a bit of a feeble excuse - his alcoholism started because he picked up a bottle and didn't put it down until it was too late and became and addiction. I hope the bottomless bucket of cash that is the NHS is able to help him, but not to the detriment of others who need life-saving treatment for conditions not of their own making. |
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
Oh come on, that's a bit of a feeble excuse - his alcoholism started because he picked up a bottle and didn't put it down until it was too late and became and addiction. I hope the bottomless bucket of cash that is the NHS is able to help him, but not to the detriment of others who need life-saving treatment for conditions not of their own making."
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"Addiction is an evil illness. The lack of compassion shown by some disgusts me as much as it saddens me. Though sadly I suspect some who are showing sympathy (speaking generally not on this thread) would have less compassion for an heroin addict or tge more stereotypical image of an alcoholic."
I've also seen what drugs can do and the effect it has on loved ones. I wouldn't wish that pain on anyone, never mind my worst enemy. |
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
Oh come on, that's a bit of a feeble excuse - his alcoholism started because he picked up a bottle and didn't put it down until it was too late and became and addiction. I hope the bottomless bucket of cash that is the NHS is able to help him, but not to the detriment of others who need life-saving treatment for conditions not of their own making."
You don't choose to be an alcoholic any more than you choose to get cancer. They are diseases! And given I have experienced alcoholics, drug users and cancer sufferers I know a bit about it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"looks like he's started hitting the bottle again. Rather that sad he cant keep off it, can see it killing him in the not too distant future.Oh he looks awful, so sad. Self inflicted sorry to say,so many chances and he just spurns them ...They were right he is the next George Best not the new oneIt being self inflicted or not, its still sad to see someone fighting a disease, and it destroying them. We dont see Drinking Smoking and drugs as a disease , we see it as a lifestyle choice and have very little sympathy for those in and out of expensive clinics for the rich and famous
Seriously?!
Do you hold the same narrow minded opinion towards people with mental illness too?
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Who you calling narrow minded, mental illness is an illness and not brought on by a self inflicted addiction so calm yourself sunshine |
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"looks like he's started hitting the bottle again. Rather that sad he cant keep off it, can see it killing him in the not too distant future.Oh he looks awful, so sad. Self inflicted sorry to say,so many chances and he just spurns them ...They were right he is the next George Best not the new oneIt being self inflicted or not, its still sad to see someone fighting a disease, and it destroying them. We dont see Drinking Smoking and drugs as a disease , we see it as a lifestyle choice and have very little sympathy for those in and out of expensive clinics for the rich and famous
I hope you are using "we" to signify you and your partner as opposed to "we" the general public. I truly hope you and your kin never have to deal with these "lifestyle choices"......
I guess you believe that Robin Williams should have manned up and got a grip of himself ??"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nobody would choose to destroy themselves and everybody that they love, it's sad to think that some people lack empathy and understanding."
Empathy seems to run out after addicts start abusing the chances they are given,ie a second liver for them to destroy
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By (user no longer on site)
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I grew up with Paul,went through school with him and its so sad,to see my friend this way,Don't think its going to be long before his demons will be at peace though unfortunately |
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame"
to be fair, your profile states that you are a smoker.
is that not an addiction that you wish you could stop?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Gazza the darling of football, once loved by everyone, and the same ppl can now not help but criticise him. Such a sad case, he has tried but failed to quit drinking, in my eyes he will always just be Gazza the great footballer |
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
Oh come on, that's a bit of a feeble excuse - his alcoholism started because he picked up a bottle and didn't put it down until it was too late and became and addiction. I hope the bottomless bucket of cash that is the NHS is able to help him, but not to the detriment of others who need life-saving treatment for conditions not of their own making.
You don't choose to be an alcoholic any more than you choose to get cancer. They are diseases! And given I have experienced alcoholics, drug users and cancer sufferers I know a bit about it. "
Of course you don't choose to be an alcoholic, it's a side-effect of drinking more alcohol than you can physically or mentally tolerate. But, just for argument's sake, here's a hypothetical question for you. If you had £100, and that £100 could save the life of a child with leukaemia or Gascoigne, where would your money go? |
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame
You really don't know anything about addiction do you?"
They may or may not but do you have the right to judge their opinion on an open forum,There seems to be two opinions by countless people and its just a subject where we must all just agree to disagree |
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"Gazza the darling of football, once loved by everyone, and the same ppl can now not help but criticise him. Such a sad case, he has tried but failed to quit drinking, in my eyes he will always just be Gazza the great footballer "
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame
to be fair, your profile states that you are a smoker.
is that not an addiction that you wish you could stop??"
haha i love it..... its not an addiction for me i can stop any time i just CHOOSE not too......  |
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"I wonder where all his limpet hanger ons are now.
Yes it's his own doing but I also blame the limpets who hung on his shirt tails and just took and took and took"
Them same limpets as you choose to call them are the same ones that clubbed in to send him to his last spell in a clinic |
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By *emmefataleWoman
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"Gazza the darling of football, once loved by everyone, and the same ppl can now not help but criticise him. Such a sad case, he has tried but failed to quit drinking, in my eyes he will always just be Gazza the great footballer "
Ditto. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame
to be fair, your profile states that you are a smoker.
is that not an addiction that you wish you could stop??
haha i love it..... its not an addiction for me i can stop any time i just CHOOSE not too...... "
beeeecause you are addicted? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame
You really don't know anything about addiction do you?
i actually dont care if im hated for putting what i have on this thread.... my bilogical prick of a father was an alcoholic who died 2weeks ago through alcohol trust me i no about addiction and what it does i blame him for killing himself......"
That's really sad. I am sorry.
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Any addiction is terrible, I lived with an alcoholic and it was terrible, he was a good looking well built 6ft guy.
He died at 50 a little wizzened up old man who was nearly blind.
However, you have to take responsibility for your actions at some stage, he's had so much help and support from people that some are not privalaged to have. He must have a very troubled mind.
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame
to be fair, your profile states that you are a smoker.
is that not an addiction that you wish you could stop??
haha i love it..... its not an addiction for me i can stop any time i just CHOOSE not too...... "
I can stop anytime I like, the mantra of the addict in denial, I understand what your saying, nobody made him drink to start with so yes he is responsible to an extent, but there comes a point where what you want is over taking by what you need and that is where the addiction has taken hold of a person, same as nobody made you smoke but now whether you like it or not you are addicted to it |
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No one chooses to become an alcoholic. They don't sit there abnd think....do you know what might be fun??! Drinking until my liver gives out on me!!!
Has no one had a drink when they have had a shit day and thought 'i feel better fit that!'? For many people that one drink dies the job. And they carry on as normal but for others it takes a couple more drinks, then a few more the next time they have a shitty day and so on and so on until suddenly they realise that everyday seems to be a shitty day and they are drinking every day just to get through.
It must be great for those on here in their ivory towers looking down on those who have demons to face as if they are shit on their shoe! Let's hope nothing goes wrong in your life eh! |
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame
to be fair, your profile states that you are a smoker.
is that not an addiction that you wish you could stop??
haha i love it..... its not an addiction for me i can stop any time i just CHOOSE not too......
I can stop anytime I like, the mantra of the addict in denial, I understand what your saying, nobody made him drink to start with so yes he is responsible to an extent, but there comes a point where what you want is over taking by what you need and that is where the addiction has taken hold of a person, same as nobody made you smoke but now whether you like it or not you are addicted to it"
i dont smoke all the time im a social smoker so trust me im not addicted..... but as im a social smoker i put smoker on my profile doesnt actually mean im a flamin chain smoker hahaha |
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame
to be fair, your profile states that you are a smoker.
is that not an addiction that you wish you could stop??
haha i love it..... its not an addiction for me i can stop any time i just CHOOSE not too......
I can stop anytime I like, the mantra of the addict in denial, I understand what your saying, nobody made him drink to start with so yes he is responsible to an extent, but there comes a point where what you want is over taking by what you need and that is where the addiction has taken hold of a person, same as nobody made you smoke but now whether you like it or not you are addicted to it
i dont smoke all the time im a social smoker so trust me im not addicted..... but as im a social smoker i put smoker on my profile doesnt actually mean im a flamin chain smoker hahaha"
You can still get illnesses through your social smoking and when you do will yoi turn to family and the nhs for help? Chances are yes, so why are you any different to gazza? |
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"No one chooses to become an alcoholic. They don't sit there abnd think....do you know what might be fun??! Drinking until my liver gives out on me!!!
Has no one had a drink when they have had a shit day and thought 'i feel better fit that!'? For many people that one drink dies the job. And they carry on as normal but for others it takes a couple more drinks, then a few more the next time they have a shitty day and so on and so on until suddenly they realise that everyday seems to be a shitty day and they are drinking every day just to get through.
It must be great for those on here in their ivory towers looking down on those who have demons to face as if they are shit on their shoe! Let's hope nothing goes wrong in your life eh! "
see thats the thing how do you no nothing has already happened in our lifes...... love how ppl just assume i havnt got a clue wat im talking about.... everyone has their own opinions and everyone is entilteled to speak.... |
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame
to be fair, your profile states that you are a smoker.
is that not an addiction that you wish you could stop??
haha i love it..... its not an addiction for me i can stop any time i just CHOOSE not too......
I can stop anytime I like, the mantra of the addict in denial, I understand what your saying, nobody made him drink to start with so yes he is responsible to an extent, but there comes a point where what you want is over taking by what you need and that is where the addiction has taken hold of a person, same as nobody made you smoke but now whether you like it or not you are addicted to it
i dont smoke all the time im a social smoker so trust me im not addicted..... but as im a social smoker i put smoker on my profile doesnt actually mean im a flamin chain smoker hahaha
You can still get illnesses through your social smoking and when you do will yoi turn to family and the nhs for help? Chances are yes, so why are you any different to gazza? "
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over a year ago
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame
to be fair, your profile states that you are a smoker.
is that not an addiction that you wish you could stop??
haha i love it..... its not an addiction for me i can stop any time i just CHOOSE not too......
I can stop anytime I like, the mantra of the addict in denial, I understand what your saying, nobody made him drink to start with so yes he is responsible to an extent, but there comes a point where what you want is over taking by what you need and that is where the addiction has taken hold of a person, same as nobody made you smoke but now whether you like it or not you are addicted to it
i dont smoke all the time im a social smoker so trust me im not addicted..... but as im a social smoker i put smoker on my profile doesnt actually mean im a flamin chain smoker hahaha
You can still get illnesses through your social smoking and when you do will yoi turn to family and the nhs for help? Chances are yes, so why are you any different to gazza?
no i wouldnt go to the nhs wen its my time its my time and i wouldnt change that...... "
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame
to be fair, your profile states that you are a smoker.
is that not an addiction that you wish you could stop??
haha i love it..... its not an addiction for me i can stop any time i just CHOOSE not too......
I can stop anytime I like, the mantra of the addict in denial, I understand what your saying, nobody made him drink to start with so yes he is responsible to an extent, but there comes a point where what you want is over taking by what you need and that is where the addiction has taken hold of a person, same as nobody made you smoke but now whether you like it or not you are addicted to it
i dont smoke all the time im a social smoker so trust me im not addicted..... but as im a social smoker i put smoker on my profile doesnt actually mean im a flamin chain smoker hahaha
You can still get illnesses through your social smoking and when you do will yoi turn to family and the nhs for help? Chances are yes, so why are you any different to gazza?
no i wouldnt go to the nhs wen its my time its my time and i wouldnt change that...... "
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over a year ago
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame
to be fair, your profile states that you are a smoker.
is that not an addiction that you wish you could stop??
haha i love it..... its not an addiction for me i can stop any time i just CHOOSE not too......
I can stop anytime I like, the mantra of the addict in denial, I understand what your saying, nobody made him drink to start with so yes he is responsible to an extent, but there comes a point where what you want is over taking by what you need and that is where the addiction has taken hold of a person, same as nobody made you smoke but now whether you like it or not you are addicted to it
i dont smoke all the time im a social smoker so trust me im not addicted..... but as im a social smoker i put smoker on my profile doesnt actually mean im a flamin chain smoker hahaha
You can still get illnesses through your social smoking and when you do will yoi turn to family and the nhs for help? Chances are yes, so why are you any different to gazza?
no i wouldnt go to the nhs wen its my time its my time and i wouldnt change that...... Get them to put that on your medical records now then, as its not a choice, if you get lung cancer you WILL go to a DR. Stop digging. "
Or high blood pressure, or COPD. For that matter anything that's caused by your lifestyle. |
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame
to be fair, your profile states that you are a smoker.
is that not an addiction that you wish you could stop??
haha i love it..... its not an addiction for me i can stop any time i just CHOOSE not too......
I can stop anytime I like, the mantra of the addict in denial, I understand what your saying, nobody made him drink to start with so yes he is responsible to an extent, but there comes a point where what you want is over taking by what you need and that is where the addiction has taken hold of a person, same as nobody made you smoke but now whether you like it or not you are addicted to it
i dont smoke all the time im a social smoker so trust me im not addicted..... but as im a social smoker i put smoker on my profile doesnt actually mean im a flamin chain smoker hahaha
You can still get illnesses through your social smoking and when you do will yoi turn to family and the nhs for help? Chances are yes, so why are you any different to gazza?
no i wouldnt go to the nhs wen its my time its my time and i wouldnt change that......
Of course you will! "
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame
to be fair, your profile states that you are a smoker.
is that not an addiction that you wish you could stop??
haha i love it..... its not an addiction for me i can stop any time i just CHOOSE not too......
I can stop anytime I like, the mantra of the addict in denial, I understand what your saying, nobody made him drink to start with so yes he is responsible to an extent, but there comes a point where what you want is over taking by what you need and that is where the addiction has taken hold of a person, same as nobody made you smoke but now whether you like it or not you are addicted to it
i dont smoke all the time im a social smoker so trust me im not addicted..... but as im a social smoker i put smoker on my profile doesnt actually mean im a flamin chain smoker hahaha
You can still get illnesses through your social smoking and when you do will yoi turn to family and the nhs for help? Chances are yes, so why are you any different to gazza?
no i wouldnt go to the nhs wen its my time its my time and i wouldnt change that...... Get them to put that on your medical records now then, as its not a choice, if you get lung cancer you WILL go to a DR. Stop digging. Or high blood pressure, or COPD. For that matter anything that's caused by your lifestyle."
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame
to be fair, your profile states that you are a smoker.
is that not an addiction that you wish you could stop??
haha i love it..... its not an addiction for me i can stop any time i just CHOOSE not too......
I can stop anytime I like, the mantra of the addict in denial, I understand what your saying, nobody made him drink to start with so yes he is responsible to an extent, but there comes a point where what you want is over taking by what you need and that is where the addiction has taken hold of a person, same as nobody made you smoke but now whether you like it or not you are addicted to it
i dont smoke all the time im a social smoker so trust me im not addicted..... but as im a social smoker i put smoker on my profile doesnt actually mean im a flamin chain smoker hahaha
You can still get illnesses through your social smoking and when you do will yoi turn to family and the nhs for help? Chances are yes, so why are you any different to gazza?
no i wouldnt go to the nhs wen its my time its my time and i wouldnt change that......
Of course you will!
no i wouldnt im a strong believer in that ..... "
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame
to be fair, your profile states that you are a smoker.
is that not an addiction that you wish you could stop??
haha i love it..... its not an addiction for me i can stop any time i just CHOOSE not too......
I can stop anytime I like, the mantra of the addict in denial, I understand what your saying, nobody made him drink to start with so yes he is responsible to an extent, but there comes a point where what you want is over taking by what you need and that is where the addiction has taken hold of a person, same as nobody made you smoke but now whether you like it or not you are addicted to it
i dont smoke all the time im a social smoker so trust me im not addicted..... but as im a social smoker i put smoker on my profile doesnt actually mean im a flamin chain smoker hahaha
You can still get illnesses through your social smoking and when you do will yoi turn to family and the nhs for help? Chances are yes, so why are you any different to gazza? "
If this poster has problems from smoking, and goes to rehab for it 7 times without giving up in between and sticking to it, takes food and lager to a wanted murderer and had their treatment paid for by several celebrities, they would be no different to Gazza. |
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame
to be fair, your profile states that you are a smoker.
is that not an addiction that you wish you could stop??
haha i love it..... its not an addiction for me i can stop any time i just CHOOSE not too......
I can stop anytime I like, the mantra of the addict in denial, I understand what your saying, nobody made him drink to start with so yes he is responsible to an extent, but there comes a point where what you want is over taking by what you need and that is where the addiction has taken hold of a person, same as nobody made you smoke but now whether you like it or not you are addicted to it
i dont smoke all the time im a social smoker so trust me im not addicted..... but as im a social smoker i put smoker on my profile doesnt actually mean im a flamin chain smoker hahaha
You can still get illnesses through your social smoking and when you do will yoi turn to family and the nhs for help? Chances are yes, so why are you any different to gazza?
no i wouldnt go to the nhs wen its my time its my time and i wouldnt change that......
Of course you will!
no i wouldnt im a strong believer in that .....
Have you made a living will then? "
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"He is an addict he dosnt choose to drink drink chooses for him
to start with he chose the drink.... if he showed as much love for his friends and family as he did the drink all thoes years ago he wouldnt of let it get this bad..... no sympathy from me only him self to blame
to be fair, your profile states that you are a smoker.
is that not an addiction that you wish you could stop??
haha i love it..... its not an addiction for me i can stop any time i just CHOOSE not too......
I can stop anytime I like, the mantra of the addict in denial, I understand what your saying, nobody made him drink to start with so yes he is responsible to an extent, but there comes a point where what you want is over taking by what you need and that is where the addiction has taken hold of a person, same as nobody made you smoke but now whether you like it or not you are addicted to it
i dont smoke all the time im a social smoker so trust me im not addicted..... but as im a social smoker i put smoker on my profile doesnt actually mean im a flamin chain smoker hahaha
You can still get illnesses through your social smoking and when you do will yoi turn to family and the nhs for help? Chances are yes, so why are you any different to gazza?
no i wouldnt go to the nhs wen its my time its my time and i wouldnt change that......
Of course you will!
no i wouldnt im a strong believer in that .....
Have you made a living will then?
haha now whos digging......
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"Evie I think the poster is referring to me as I said to her stop digging, saying that its a fuck off big hole not sure there is much more that is left to dig. "
ok so everyone elts can _xpress there feelings on this but because ive _xpressed myn maybe just a lil further everyone thinks that only me is a twat hahaha everyone has choices in life its down to the individual wat they choose.... one thing is for sure everyone is born to die and wen its my time i wouldnt change it with pills or help to live a lil longer |
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over a year ago
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"Evie I think the poster is referring to me as I said to her stop digging, saying that its a fuck off big hole not sure there is much more that is left to dig.
ok so everyone elts can _xpress there feelings on this but because ive _xpressed myn maybe just a lil further everyone thinks that only me is a twat hahaha everyone has choices in life its down to the individual wat they choose.... one thing is for sure everyone is born to die and wen its my time i wouldnt change it with pills or help to live a lil longer "
I think you need to re read the thread and the comments you have made and the replies you have received. |
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"Evie I think the poster is referring to me as I said to her stop digging, saying that its a fuck off big hole not sure there is much more that is left to dig.
ok so everyone elts can _xpress there feelings on this but because ive _xpressed myn maybe just a lil further everyone thinks that only me is a twat hahaha everyone has choices in life its down to the individual wat they choose.... one thing is for sure everyone is born to die and wen its my time i wouldnt change it with pills or help to live a lil longer I think you need to re read the thread and the comments you have made and the replies you have received. "
and i choose not to its all about a bloke that made the wrong choice in life now everyone has sympathy for him...... like i said earlier no sympathy from me |
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over a year ago
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"Evie I think the poster is referring to me as I said to her stop digging, saying that its a fuck off big hole not sure there is much more that is left to dig.
ok so everyone elts can _xpress there feelings on this but because ive _xpressed myn maybe just a lil further everyone thinks that only me is a twat hahaha everyone has choices in life its down to the individual wat they choose.... one thing is for sure everyone is born to die and wen its my time i wouldnt change it with pills or help to live a lil longer I think you need to re read the thread and the comments you have made and the replies you have received.
and i choose not to its all about a bloke that made the wrong choice in life now everyone has sympathy for him...... like i said earlier no sympathy from me"
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"looks like he's started hitting the bottle again. Rather that sad he cant keep off it, can see it killing him in the not too distant future.Oh he looks awful, so sad. Self inflicted sorry to say,so many chances and he just spurns them ...They were right he is the next George Best not the new oneIt being self inflicted or not, its still sad to see someone fighting a disease, and it destroying them. We dont see Drinking Smoking and drugs as a disease , we see it as a lifestyle choice and have very little sympathy for those in and out of expensive clinics for the rich and famous"
Sorry? Who is "we"? Certainly initially you choose what you want to drink, consume etc, hence the medical mystery of some being able to take or leave it alone and some become addicted, why? Nbody truely knows that either.
If you were maybe "we" the university studying addictions, maybe listen to it, if your "we", folk on fabs that luv generalising about it, bit diffrent, to be polite. |
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"Evie I think the poster is referring to me as I said to her stop digging, saying that its a fuck off big hole not sure there is much more that is left to dig.
ok so everyone elts can _xpress there feelings on this but because ive _xpressed myn maybe just a lil further everyone thinks that only me is a twat hahaha everyone has choices in life its down to the individual wat they choose.... one thing is for sure everyone is born to die and wen its my time i wouldnt change it with pills or help to live a lil longer I think you need to re read the thread and the comments you have made and the replies you have received.
and i choose not to its all about a bloke that made the wrong choice in life now everyone has sympathy for him...... like i said earlier no sympathy from meNot everyone has sympathy for him. And I think you mean empathy "
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"looks like he's started hitting the bottle again. Rather that sad he cant keep off it, can see it killing him in the not too distant future.Oh he looks awful, so sad. Self inflicted sorry to say,so many chances and he just spurns them ...They were right he is the next George Best not the new oneIt being self inflicted or not, its still sad to see someone fighting a disease, and it destroying them. We dont see Drinking Smoking and drugs as a disease , we see it as a lifestyle choice and have very little sympathy for those in and out of expensive clinics for the rich and famousSorry? Who is "we"? Certainly initially you choose what you want to drink, consume etc, hence the medical mystery of some being able to take or leave it alone and some become addicted, why? Nbody truely knows that either.
If you were maybe "we" the university studying addictions, maybe listen to it, if your "we", folk on fabs that luv generalising about it, bit diffrent, to be polite."
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"looks like he's started hitting the bottle again. Rather that sad he cant keep off it, can see it killing him in the not too distant future.Oh he looks awful, so sad. Self inflicted sorry to say,so many chances and he just spurns them ...They were right he is the next George Best not the new oneIt being self inflicted or not, its still sad to see someone fighting a disease, and it destroying them. We dont see Drinking Smoking and drugs as a disease , we see it as a lifestyle choice and have very little sympathy for those in and out of expensive clinics for the rich and famousSorry? Who is "we"? Certainly initially you choose what you want to drink, consume etc, hence the medical mystery of some being able to take or leave it alone and some become addicted, why? Nbody truely knows that either.
If you were maybe "we" the university studying addictions, maybe listen to it, if your "we", folk on fabs that luv generalising about it, bit diffrent, to be polite.come again?"
Addiction,,,it comes under a varied diagnosis, from "ahh i deserve a glass of wine on a friday night, to i need to get off my head hourly", all addictions, cant go a week without shopping for clothes, shoes? An addiction. |
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"Evie I think the poster is referring to me as I said to her stop digging, saying that its a fuck off big hole not sure there is much more that is left to dig.
ok so everyone elts can _xpress there feelings on this but because ive _xpressed myn maybe just a lil further everyone thinks that only me is a twat hahaha everyone has choices in life its down to the individual wat they choose.... one thing is for sure everyone is born to die and wen its my time i wouldnt change it with pills or help to live a lil longer I think you need to re read the thread and the comments you have made and the replies you have received.
and i choose not to its all about a bloke that made the wrong choice in life now everyone has sympathy for him...... like i said earlier no sympathy from meNot everyone has sympathy for him. And I think you mean empathy
im thick aswell now hahahaha"
No, you used the right word. People who have no coherent argument often resort to picking apart someone's post for their perceived lack of grammatical ability. Probably pissed |
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"Evie I think the poster is referring to me as I said to her stop digging, saying that its a fuck off big hole not sure there is much more that is left to dig.
ok so everyone elts can _xpress there feelings on this but because ive _xpressed myn maybe just a lil further everyone thinks that only me is a twat hahaha everyone has choices in life its down to the individual wat they choose.... one thing is for sure everyone is born to die and wen its my time i wouldnt change it with pills or help to live a lil longer I think you need to re read the thread and the comments you have made and the replies you have received.
and i choose not to its all about a bloke that made the wrong choice in life now everyone has sympathy for him...... like i said earlier no sympathy from meNot everyone has sympathy for him. And I think you mean empathy
im thick aswell now hahahaha
No, you used the right word. People who have no coherent argument often resort to picking apart someone's post for their perceived lack of grammatical ability. Probably pissed "
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"Evie I think the poster is referring to me as I said to her stop digging, saying that its a fuck off big hole not sure there is much more that is left to dig.
ok so everyone elts can _xpress there feelings on this but because ive _xpressed myn maybe just a lil further everyone thinks that only me is a twat hahaha everyone has choices in life its down to the individual wat they choose.... one thing is for sure everyone is born to die and wen its my time i wouldnt change it with pills or help to live a lil longer I think you need to re read the thread and the comments you have made and the replies you have received.
and i choose not to its all about a bloke that made the wrong choice in life now everyone has sympathy for him...... like i said earlier no sympathy from meNot everyone has sympathy for him. And I think you mean empathy
im thick aswell now hahahaha
No, you used the right word. People who have no coherent argument often resort to picking apart someone's post for their perceived lack of grammatical ability. Probably pissed "
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"Evie I think the poster is referring to me as I said to her stop digging, saying that its a fuck off big hole not sure there is much more that is left to dig.
ok so everyone elts can _xpress there feelings on this but because ive _xpressed myn maybe just a lil further everyone thinks that only me is a twat hahaha everyone has choices in life its down to the individual wat they choose.... one thing is for sure everyone is born to die and wen its my time i wouldnt change it with pills or help to live a lil longer I think you need to re read the thread and the comments you have made and the replies you have received.
and i choose not to its all about a bloke that made the wrong choice in life now everyone has sympathy for him...... like i said earlier no sympathy from meNot everyone has sympathy for him. And I think you mean empathy
im thick aswell now hahahaha
No, you used the right word. People who have no coherent argument often resort to picking apart someone's post for their perceived lack of grammatical ability. Probably pissed Stone cold sober here, so not pissed, but maybe you have been at the cooking sherry. As for picking at peoples posts, try giving yourself the same advice, people in glass houses and all that malarky. "
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A person who didn't have a brain as a footballer , very talented but wasted his career because he didn't think, now his continuing to do so even after the handouts from other ex players to cure is drinking problem . A total 100 % embarrassment for his family who haven't disowned him already |
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Don't Judge Someone Unless You're in His/Her Shoes!
He has a terrible disease and I wish him all the luck in the world and that he can get over this bad time x |
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"A person who didn't have a brain as a footballer , very talented but wasted his career because he didn't think, now his continuing to do so even after the handouts from other ex players to cure is drinking problem . A total 100 % embarrassment for his family who haven't disowned him already"
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"A person who didn't have a brain as a footballer , very talented but wasted his career because he didn't think, now his continuing to do so even after the handouts from other ex players to cure is drinking problem . A total 100 % embarrassment for his family who haven't disowned him already"
You can never "cure" a drinking problem. Someone who has one, will always have one.
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"A person who didn't have a brain as a footballer , very talented but wasted his career because he didn't think, now his continuing to do so even after the handouts from other ex players to cure is drinking problem . A total 100 % embarrassment for his family who haven't disowned him already"
i;m guessing the family that havent disowned him would disagree with you. His daughter has been speaking today about faceles people makig vile comments about her dad.
No one is perfect. People have this idea that if you are wealthy and have a good career you cant have problems, you become super human or something. odd concept if you ask me. |
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i;m guessing the family that havent disowned him would disagree with you. His daughter has been speaking today about faceles people makig vile comments about her dad.
No one is perfect. People have this idea that if you are wealthy and have a good career you cant have problems, you become super human or something. odd concept if you ask me. |
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"A person who didn't have a brain as a footballer , very talented but wasted his career because he didn't think, now his continuing to do so even after the handouts from other ex players to cure is drinking problem . A total 100 % embarrassment for his family who haven't disowned him already"
i;m guessing the family that havent disowned him would disagree with you. His daughter has been speaking today about faceles people makig vile comments about her dad.
No one is perfect. People have this idea that if you are wealthy and have a good career you cant have problems, you become super human or something. odd concept if you ask me. |
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"A person who didn't have a brain as a footballer , very talented but wasted his career because he didn't think, now his continuing to do so even after the handouts from other ex players to cure is drinking problem . A total 100 % embarrassment for his family who haven't disowned him alreadyYou can never "cure" a drinking problem. Someone who has one, will always have one."
Sad but true. |
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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago
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"Gazza the darling of football, once loved by everyone, and the same ppl can now not help but criticise him. Such a sad case, he has tried but failed to quit drinking, in my eyes he will always just be Gazza the great footballer "
And in my opinion a footballer who at his best would runs rings around Wayne Rooney who up to recently should never had worn an England shirt! |
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"Some of these comments have really made me  . I guess that some that live their life through rose tinted glasses will never understand the darkest moments you will go through being an addict..."
When you refer to "some that live their life through rose tinted glasses", do you mean the several billion of us that manage to get through life without becoming a hopeless drug addict? |
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"Some of these comments have really made me . I guess that some that live their life through rose tinted glasses will never understand the darkest moments you will go through being an addict...
When you refer to "some that live their life through rose tinted glasses", do you mean the several billion of us that manage to get through life without becoming a hopeless drug addict? "
do you want a blue peter badge? do you have no concept of people being different and coping differently?
some people might not become hopeless drug addicts but they become insuferable saints instead. |
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"Some of these comments have really made me . I guess that some that live their life through rose tinted glasses will never understand the darkest moments you will go through being an addict...
When you refer to "some that live their life through rose tinted glasses", do you mean the several billion of us that manage to get through life without becoming a hopeless drug addict?
do you want a blue peter badge? do you have no concept of people being different and coping differently?
some people might not become hopeless drug addicts but they become insuferable saints instead."
It's really really easy to be neither a hopeless drug addict or an insufferable saint - try it sometime |
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"Some of these comments have really made me . I guess that some that live their life through rose tinted glasses will never understand the darkest moments you will go through being an addict...
When you refer to "some that live their life through rose tinted glasses", do you mean the several billion of us that manage to get through life without becoming a hopeless drug addict?
do you want a blue peter badge? do you have no concept of people being different and coping differently?
some people might not become hopeless drug addicts but they become insuferable saints instead.
It's really really easy to be neither a hopeless drug addict or an insufferable saint - try it sometime "
For many people it is easy to not become an addict. For others sadly it really isn't that simple |
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"Some of these comments have really made me . I guess that some that live their life through rose tinted glasses will never understand the darkest moments you will go through being an addict...
When you refer to "some that live their life through rose tinted glasses", do you mean the several billion of us that manage to get through life without becoming a hopeless drug addict?
do you want a blue peter badge? do you have no concept of people being different and coping differently?
some people might not become hopeless drug addicts but they become insuferable saints instead.
It's really really easy to be neither a hopeless drug addict or an insufferable saint - try it sometime "
lol....ok only if you do too |
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"Some of these comments have really made me . I guess that some that live their life through rose tinted glasses will never understand the darkest moments you will go through being an addict...
When you refer to "some that live their life through rose tinted glasses", do you mean the several billion of us that manage to get through life without becoming a hopeless drug addict? "
I don't think those that suffer with substance misuse issues are hopeless... |
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"Any addiction is terrible, I lived with an alcoholic and it was terrible, he was a good looking well built 6ft guy.
He died at 50 a little wizzened up old man who was nearly blind.
However, you have to take responsibility for your actions at some stage, he's had so much help and support from people that some are not privalaged to have. He must have a very troubled mind.
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I've taken the time to read this entire thread and amongst all the stone throwing and passionate _xpressing of opinions you have hit the nail square on the head |
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"Some of these comments have really made me . I guess that some that live their life through rose tinted glasses will never understand the darkest moments you will go through being an addict...
When you refer to "some that live their life through rose tinted glasses", do you mean the several billion of us that manage to get through life without becoming a hopeless drug addict?
do you want a blue peter badge? do you have no concept of people being different and coping differently?
some people might not become hopeless drug addicts but they become insuferable saints instead.
It's really really easy to be neither a hopeless drug addict or an insufferable saint - try it sometime
lol....ok only if you do too"
Sweet - pass the meths |
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Why do the shops and clubs and bars etc still serve him to alcohol. Surely being as he is a known alcoholic they are bound by duty of care not to serve him. Places don't serve you when you're d*unk why can't that apply to known alcoholics. |
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"Why do the shops and clubs and bars etc still serve him to alcohol. Surely being as he is a known alcoholic they are bound by duty of care not to serve him. Places don't serve you when you're d*unk why can't that apply to known alcoholics. "
Addicts will get their fix any way they can. I'm sure some of his "friends" went to the offy for him. |
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"Why do the shops and clubs and bars etc still serve him to alcohol. Surely being as he is a known alcoholic they are bound by duty of care not to serve him. Places don't serve you when you're d*unk why can't that apply to known alcoholics.
Addicts will get their fix any way they can. I'm sure some of his "friends" went to the offy for him."
true but saying what I did cos last pic I saw he was carrying a bottle coming out of a shop |
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"Why do the shops and clubs and bars etc still serve him to alcohol. Surely being as he is a known alcoholic they are bound by duty of care not to serve him. Places don't serve you when you're d*unk why can't that apply to known alcoholics.
Addicts will get their fix any way they can. I'm sure some of his "friends" went to the offy for him.
true but saying what I did cos last pic I saw he was carrying a bottle coming out of a shop "
I get what you're saying, but unfortunately many booze-sellers are as unscrupulous as drug dealers. |
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Unfortunately the law states you have to refuse to sell alcohol to someone already intoxicated not to someone who is a known addict, some shop owners put profit before people's health |
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"Why do the shops and clubs and bars etc still serve him to alcohol. Surely being as he is a known alcoholic they are bound by duty of care not to serve him. Places don't serve you when you're d*unk why can't that apply to known alcoholics. "
While I agree with the sentiment it's utterly unenforcable for anyone not in the public eye and even then it's unreasonable to expect every shopkeeper to recognise him. Plus follow that logic and where do you draw the line? Would you have to check a smoker didn't have COPD? Would supermarkets have to refuse to sell unhealthy food to anyone morbidly obese? |
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"Why do the shops and clubs and bars etc still serve him to alcohol. Surely being as he is a known alcoholic they are bound by duty of care not to serve him. Places don't serve you when you're d*unk why can't that apply to known alcoholics.
While I agree with the sentiment it's utterly unenforcable for anyone not in the public eye and even then it's unreasonable to expect every shopkeeper to recognise him. Plus follow that logic and where do you draw the line? Would you have to check a smoker didn't have COPD? Would supermarkets have to refuse to sell unhealthy food to anyone morbidly obese?"
Plus, being a Geordie, incoherent speech would be the norm |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
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"looks like he's started hitting the bottle again. Rather that sad he cant keep off it, can see it killing him in the not too distant future.Oh he looks awful, so sad. "
Whats sad about it,he is a selfish idiot |
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"Why do the shops and clubs and bars etc still serve him to alcohol. Surely being as he is a known alcoholic they are bound by duty of care not to serve him. Places don't serve you when you're d*unk why can't that apply to known alcoholics. "
There's no way this could be enforced - should shop keepers ask folk if they have smoking related cancer before they sell fags? you can buy booze on line and if you're an alcoholic you will literally do anything to get a drink - Z |
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"looks like he's started hitting the bottle again. Rather that sad he cant keep off it, can see it killing him in the not too distant future.Oh he looks awful, so sad.
Whats sad about it,he is a selfish idiot"
empathy underload - alcoholism isn't about being selfish - Z |
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The ignorance that a lot of the world has in consideration of addiction and depression really makes me not want to live on it anymore.
It is a MENTAL ILLNESS. NOT A CHOICE.
Copied and pasted my response from a similar thread in the Scottish Forum:
"Again talking from personal experience.
Alcoholism is rarely the only problem. In the case of my Mam she also struggles with severe depression (which is also the case with Gazza, and also was the case with Robin Williams which ultimately drove him to suicide).
The depression can be kicked off by ANYTHING. Big or small, and usually we had absolutely no idea what it was. Could be something monumental (the original thing that set me mam off was the death of her dad, and then never fully got over it) or something tiny (a customer being a dickhead at work or whatever).
The problem that comes next is how to cope with it? My mam had no coping mechanism, she didn't know how to talk to people about it (which ultimately lead to the breakdown of her marriage to my dad), she got it into her head that the whole world was against her, and the only way that she knew how to cope was drink. For her it "made the pain go away" (although we all know that it really, really doesn't). If she drank so much that she couldn't remember what happened, then it didn't happen. She's doing a lot better now but still relapses every few months.
It's been many, many years of this that we've battled with now. Therapy has helped a lot, drugs haven't (anti-depressants are apparently horrible to be on she's told me).
But the main issue we need to face is people like the couple that replied above vindicating the sufferers of these mental DISEASES (and that is the key word, it is NOT A CHOICE), because they are already suffereing enough that when they feel they're being judged by everyone who looks at them, what's going to convince them that anyone can help?" |
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"The ignorance that a lot of the world has in consideration of addiction and depression really makes me not want to live on it anymore.
It is a MENTAL ILLNESS. NOT A CHOICE.
Copied and pasted my response from a similar thread in the Scottish Forum:
"Again talking from personal experience.
Alcoholism is rarely the only problem. In the case of my Mam she also struggles with severe depression (which is also the case with Gazza, and also was the case with Robin Williams which ultimately drove him to suicide).
The depression can be kicked off by ANYTHING. Big or small, and usually we had absolutely no idea what it was. Could be something monumental (the original thing that set me mam off was the death of her dad, and then never fully got over it) or something tiny (a customer being a dickhead at work or whatever).
The problem that comes next is how to cope with it? My mam had no coping mechanism, she didn't know how to talk to people about it (which ultimately lead to the breakdown of her marriage to my dad), she got it into her head that the whole world was against her, and the only way that she knew how to cope was drink. For her it "made the pain go away" (although we all know that it really, really doesn't). If she drank so much that she couldn't remember what happened, then it didn't happen. She's doing a lot better now but still relapses every few months.
It's been many, many years of this that we've battled with now. Therapy has helped a lot, drugs haven't (anti-depressants are apparently horrible to be on she's told me).
But the main issue we need to face is people like the couple that replied above vindicating the sufferers of these mental DISEASES (and that is the key word, it is NOT A CHOICE), because they are already suffereing enough that when they feel they're being judged by everyone who looks at them, what's going to convince them that anyone can help?""
Very good post - my Mum was an alcoholic who died just over 9 years ago at a very young age- cancer took her but i know when and why she started to drink heavily and it just envelops a person and takes away their life - i feel real sympathy for people with this disease Z |
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"will he be allowed another liver? "
if i remember rightly any one up for a transplant has to be off the booze for good few months before they are considered. |
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I can only go off what I have seen in the press but it looks a pretty sad tale but not unexpected I guess. Lots of money, bad friends dwindling talent and fame in a guy who lets face it wasn't a mensa candidate. His friends look as though they have let him down to some extent along with agents who milked him while earning. I only wish I had first hand information as some on this thread seem to have it must be hard for those who actually live with him who have posted. |
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My £0.02 :
An earlier poster said he was loved by everyone. Not true. I do wish you'd stop being a "spokesperson£ for all of us.
IMO he was overrated; why on earth he wasn't sent off for a most disgraceful foul in the May 1991 cup semi i do not know. The "sublime" goal in the 96 Euro's, i've seen much better. The "hero" worship by everyone over his excessive binge drinking antics and culture. Without all of which his career and life MAY have turned out differently.
Sadly, and i do say sadly, despite a huge amount of help from others the end result appears inevitable.
And for the masses who will say i've no empathy, i've had close family and friends suffer in similar or indeed worse ways without a fraction of the help, or indeed press coverage.
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Bloody hell, he is ill. Alcoholism is a disease. What century are some of the posters in I wonder? Victorian I should imagine.
He obviously has other problems looking at his past behaviour too. I should imagine he also has untreated ADHD. I know many don't believe in that condition either but plenty of evidence out there too re ADHD.
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I remember watching a program on him years ago, I think he has had mental health problems, and I think after being so famous for years then when you career is over and your no longer in the lime light, that is bound to be hard, you have a busy life then your sitting at home twiddling your thumbs wondering what to do with yourself, been plenty of old pop stars from the boy bands on tv suffering from depression after it all came to an end. |
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