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"The easy answer to this problem is to stop the holiday companies from privateering from parents by raising the prices to extortionate rates during the Holliday times. Bunch of sharks the lot of them!!" Basic supply and demand. If the government allowed schools to take back control of their pupil's education then holidays would become more staggered reducing demand for the current peak times. If travel agencies were forced to push down their prices during school holidays they would only pass the cost onto those of us who have chosen not to have children and I don't see why I should have to subsidise someone else's holiday for a choice they made. crystal | |||
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"It amazes me that some parents think getting a cheap holiday abroad is more important than their child's education. It amazes me even more when that parent points the finger at the teacher when their child doesn't achieve the grades they were expecting. I'm not saying taking a child out for a week will affect their education that much, I'm saying the underlying attitude in some parents will rub off onto their children. Why can't the teacher put together some extra work for that child to do when they're away? Because if they did that for every single child that was taken out of their class they wouldn't have time left for all the extra pen pushing activities they now have to do. crystal" I agree with what you are saying here and do not condone people taking their children out of school regularly. I took my daughter out for a weeks holiday towards the end of her reception year and she didn't really miss anything that I couldn't do when away at that age. It's not something I will do now as I am not with that partner anymore so I can take my children during the school holidays | |||
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"It amazes me that some parents think getting a cheap holiday abroad is more important than their child's education. It amazes me even more when that parent points the finger at the teacher when their child doesn't achieve the grades they were expecting. I'm not saying taking a child out for a week will affect their education that much, I'm saying the underlying attitude in some parents will rub off onto their children. Why can't the teacher put together some extra work for that child to do when they're away? Because if they did that for every single child that was taken out of their class they wouldn't have time left for all the extra pen pushing activities they now have to do. crystal"  this^^ plus people are always quick to have a go at the teachers where in fact it's the holiday companies that are the ones causing the problems by charging the earth! | |||
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"It's strange. You see plenty of parents complaining they can't take holidays outside of school holidays - but seldom teachers. Many of whom I'm sure are parents themselves. A" Get what your saying, but teachers choose that job and know the working hours and conditions. yes i chose to be a parent, but these rules are new | |||
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"It's strange. You see plenty of parents complaining they can't take holidays outside of school holidays - but seldom teachers. Many of whom I'm sure are parents themselves. A" | |||
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"It amazes me that some parents think getting a cheap holiday abroad is more important than their child's education. It amazes me even more when that parent points the finger at the teacher when their child doesn't achieve the grades they were expecting. I'm not saying taking a child out for a week will affect their education that much, I'm saying the underlying attitude in some parents will rub off onto their children. Why can't the teacher put together some extra work for that child to do when they're away? Because if they did that for every single child that was taken out of their class they wouldn't have time left for all the extra pen pushing activities they now have to do. crystal this^^ plus people are always quick to have a go at the teachers where in fact it's the holiday companies that are the ones causing the problems by charging the earth!"The holiday companies aren't doing anything differently to any other business. Higher demand = higher cost. We should be looking at ourselves asking why does the government feel it has to keep such a tight reign on children's education. Says a lot about us as a society that the government cannot trust us to support education so it feels the only way forward is to lay out a ridiculously packed national curriculum including pshe (because the government can't trust parents to teach their children about healthy eating, washing, money, etc) and enforce strict guidelines such as holiday allowances. crystal | |||
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"It's strange. You see plenty of parents complaining they can't take holidays outside of school holidays - but seldom teachers. Many of whom I'm sure are parents themselves. A Get what your saying, but teachers choose that job and know the working hours and conditions. yes i chose to be a parent, but these rules are new " I'm sorry but what a load of bull!! These rules have HAD to be put in place because parents think it's ok to take children out of school willy nilly as and when they decide! When I was in school no one ever dreamt of taking their children out of school to go on holiday. That's what the six weeks we had off over summer was for!  | |||
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"Being a single parent , its important to save money where i can . I personally think I should be able to take my children on holiday in term time . Why should I pay the £200-400+ hike in prices to suit the greedy needs of holiday agents . If I was to be fined , it would still be cheaper to pay them and still go in term time , then to take them in holiday term . I have been lucky and not received any fines , but maybe that's because they have 98% attendance . I do think when a child comes to gcse's then that's down to the parents thinking about their child's education . I wouldn't take them away the year they have exams in term time . It is down to common sence , but can see people using the slack system to their benifits . I do feel on the other hand , I won't be punished for other people taking the piss . If the government want to fine me then please do so . I'll post the cash in a thank you card , as I'm still saving money . " I don't understand the attitude of not taking children out during their GCSE year. Do you not think that the learning in the years leading up to those exams is supposed to act as a grounding for the more advanced learning in their final year to support their education to get them through exams?! crystal | |||
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"It amazes me that some parents think getting a cheap holiday abroad is more important than their child's education. It amazes me even more when that parent points the finger at the teacher when their child doesn't achieve the grades they were expecting. I'm not saying taking a child out for a week will affect their education that much, I'm saying the underlying attitude in some parents will rub off onto their children. Why can't the teacher put together some extra work for that child to do when they're away? Because if they did that for every single child that was taken out of their class they wouldn't have time left for all the extra pen pushing activities they now have to do. crystal this^^ plus people are always quick to have a go at the teachers where in fact it's the holiday companies that are the ones causing the problems by charging the earth!
The holiday companies aren't doing anything differently to any other business. Higher demand = higher cost. We should be looking at ourselves asking why does the government feel it has to keep such a tight reign on children's education. Says a lot about us as a society that the government cannot trust us to support education so it feels the only way forward is to lay out a ridiculously packed national curriculum including pshe (because the government can't trust parents to teach their children about healthy eating, washing, money, etc) and enforce strict guidelines such as holiday allowances.
crystal"Unfortunately, many parents do not teach their children about those things. Some children know lots and some, of the same age, know nothing at all. How do you tackle that? How do you work out which child has been taught what by parents? | |||
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"It's strange. You see plenty of parents complaining they can't take holidays outside of school holidays - but seldom teachers. Many of whom I'm sure are parents themselves. A Get what your saying, but teachers choose that job and know the working hours and conditions. yes i chose to be a parent, but these rules are new " Rules/ fines aside, those with school age children know the term times well in advance. (We've had ours for next year for 8 weeks!). So surely it's easy to plan far in advance, knowing the dates you can travel? Or is a week in the sun more important than a child's education? Yes teachers knew the working hours and conditions - but don't parents understand the 'conditions' of having children? A | |||
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"Being a single parent , its important to save money where i can . I personally think I should be able to take my children on holiday in term time . Why should I pay the £200-400+ hike in prices to suit the greedy needs of holiday agents . If I was to be fined , it would still be cheaper to pay them and still go in term time , then to take them in holiday term . I have been lucky and not received any fines , but maybe that's because they have 98% attendance . I do think when a child comes to gcse's then that's down to the parents thinking about their child's education . I wouldn't take them away the year they have exams in term time . It is down to common sence , but can see people using the slack system to their benifits . I do feel on the other hand , I won't be punished for other people taking the piss . If the government want to fine me then please do so . I'll post the cash in a thank you card , as I'm still saving money . " thats how i feel. looked at Butlins for next year for 4 days durig the Summer holidays.. £1200 thats for 3 adults and a 5yr old... 2 weeks before the holiday its £600 Id not even contemplate taking her out of school during exam times, but at this stage of her school life its fun and games for the most part. Im switched on and we do plenty of educational activities together as it is and she hasnt started yet. Also on our last break we created a scrap book of memories, she drew pictures and told me what to write down. Time with family is just as important | |||
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"Or is a week in the sun more important than a child's education? Yes teachers knew the working hours and conditions - but don't parents understand the 'conditions' of having children? A " Im fully aware of what having a child means thanks but honestly dont think a week away from school will effect my childs education in the grand scheme of things | |||
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"Being a single parent , its important to save money where i can . I personally think I should be able to take my children on holiday in term time . Why should I pay the £200-400+ hike in prices to suit the greedy needs of holiday agents . If I was to be fined , it would still be cheaper to pay them and still go in term time , then to take them in holiday term . I have been lucky and not received any fines , but maybe that's because they have 98% attendance . I do think when a child comes to gcse's then that's down to the parents thinking about their child's education . I wouldn't take them away the year they have exams in term time . It is down to common sence , but can see people using the slack system to their benifits . I do feel on the other hand , I won't be punished for other people taking the piss . If the government want to fine me then please do so . I'll post the cash in a thank you card , as I'm still saving money . I don't understand the attitude of not taking children out during their GCSE year. Do you not think that the learning in the years leading up to those exams is supposed to act as a grounding for the more advanced learning in their final year to support their education to get them through exams?! crystal" Again it's down to a parents discretion . I do feel that the final year , you pick up vital parts for your gcse's . Not saying the other years aren't important , but my final year was more of a refresh . I didn't say you shouldn't take your child out of school in the last year . That's just my personal feelings to my children's educations . In my eyes , I can take my children on holiday when I see fit . | |||
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"Unfortunately, many parents do not teach their children about those things. Some children know lots and some, of the same age, know nothing at all. How do you tackle that? How do you work out which child has been taught what by parents? " And that's the issue. You hear many parents who expect their child to do all of their learning at school and don't realise that the emotional and behavioural development starts as soon as a child is born and is affected by the environment it lives. I think there are too many parents who forget that the children are ultimately their responsibility, not the teachers. crystal | |||
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"Or is a week in the sun more important than a child's education? Yes teachers knew the working hours and conditions - but don't parents understand the 'conditions' of having children? A Im fully aware of what having a child means thanks but honestly dont think a week away from school will effect my childs education in the grand scheme of things " its not just about a week in the sun,its experiencing a other country,another language,another culture,I believe thats real life education and more memorable and fun than looking at a picture in a book
We're lucky as we didn't have these rules when my children were younger,it would have meant that apart from them missing out on some of the wonderful experiences they had because we wouldn't have been able to take them away due to the astronomical hike in costs,they would have beem burnt to crisps in the sun in the months of july and august | |||
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"Or is a week in the sun more important than a child's education? Yes teachers knew the working hours and conditions - but don't parents understand the 'conditions' of having children? A Im fully aware of what having a child means thanks but honestly dont think a week away from school will effect my childs education in the grand scheme of things " It's not one week out of school. 25 kids in a class- it could be 25+ weeks a year that kids aren't in class, if they all have at least one week off for a holiday. It disrupts the rest of the class if one child is behind. | |||
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"Unfortunately, many parents do not teach their children about those things. Some children know lots and some, of the same age, know nothing at all. How do you tackle that? How do you work out which child has been taught what by parents? And that's the issue. You hear many parents who expect their child to do all of their learning at school and don't realise that the emotional and behavioural development starts as soon as a child is born and is affected by the environment it lives. I think there are too many parents who forget that the children are ultimately their responsibility, not the teachers. crystal"
It's the blame culture. Parents blaming teachers for their kids failing, yet some parents do sod all parenting.
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"Holidays are nice. They can benefit children through cultural activities, learning about different countries, lifestyles and interacting with people from different lands and learning languages. They are not however essential, compulsory or in fact affordable for many - regardless of the time of year. They are also for many nothing more than playing in a pool, lounging on a beach and complaining that the local food is 'foreign' whilst feeding their children the same as they'd eat at home. All of which can be done far cheaper, easier and with the same end result in the UK - during school holidays. Education however.......... A" Shall we ban school trips to France, Germany Austria etc then? They serve the same purpose as some holidays abroad | |||
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"Holidays are nice. They can benefit children through cultural activities, learning about different countries, lifestyles and interacting with people from different lands and learning languages. They are not however essential, compulsory or in fact affordable for many - regardless of the time of year. They are also for many nothing more than playing in a pool, lounging on a beach and complaining that the local food is 'foreign' whilst feeding their children the same as they'd eat at home. All of which can be done far cheaper, easier and with the same end result in the UK - during school holidays. Education however.......... A Shall we ban school trips to France, Germany Austria etc then? They serve the same purpose as some holidays abroad" When was the last time a school trip involved nothing more than playing on a beach or lying in the sun? There's a distinct difference - as I highlighted. A | |||
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"Holidays are nice. They can benefit children through cultural activities, learning about different countries, lifestyles and interacting with people from different lands and learning languages. They are not however essential, compulsory or in fact affordable for many - regardless of the time of year. They are also for many nothing more than playing in a pool, lounging on a beach and complaining that the local food is 'foreign' whilst feeding their children the same as they'd eat at home. All of which can be done far cheaper, easier and with the same end result in the UK - during school holidays. Education however.......... A Shall we ban school trips to France, Germany Austria etc then? They serve the same purpose as some holidays abroad When was the last time a school trip involved nothing more than playing on a beach or lying in the sun? There's a distinct difference - as I highlighted. A" holidays to some people are more than playing on the beach or laying in the sun. | |||
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"It's strange. You see plenty of parents complaining they can't take holidays outside of school holidays - but seldom teachers. Many of whom I'm sure are parents themselves. A Get what your saying, but teachers choose that job and know the working hours and conditions. yes i chose to be a parent, but these rules are new " The fines are new but when I was at school with Noah's children my parents still had to apply for permission to take us out on the one occassion that they did...1966 I think it was. | |||
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"It's the blame culture. Parents blaming teachers for their kids failing, yet some parents do sod all parenting. If a sunshine holiday is 'more important than school', why not just remove the child from school altogether and home school them?" im sure there are parents out there who would blame the teachers if their child is under performing, but its a very individual thing. Some children are blessed with being switched on and others have difficulties picking stuff up. Lets punish all of the children who are behind by forcing them to stay in school over the holiday to learn more shall we?.. nah i didnt think so. As parents i think it should be a natural extension to the day to ask how a child has got on, to sit at a table and do homework, just refreshing the days events so it 'sticks' in the mind more. | |||
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"Holidays are nice. They can benefit children through cultural activities, learning about different countries, lifestyles and interacting with people from different lands and learning languages. They are not however essential, compulsory or in fact affordable for many - regardless of the time of year. They are also for many nothing more than playing in a pool, lounging on a beach and complaining that the local food is 'foreign' whilst feeding their children the same as they'd eat at home. All of which can be done far cheaper, easier and with the same end result in the UK - during school holidays. Education however.......... A Shall we ban school trips to France, Germany Austria etc then? They serve the same purpose as some holidays abroad When was the last time a school trip involved nothing more than playing on a beach or lying in the sun? There's a distinct difference - as I highlighted. A holidays to some people are more than playing on the beach or laying in the sun." I agree. But I doubt it's the majority. A | |||
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"I'm sorry but in general I don't swallow the cultural benefits of foreign holidays. Yes I know a moderate number of families will travel in a way where the children experience some of the local culture. However, the typical summer sun destinations where we have polluted a resort with a little Britain in the sun, in my opinion doesn't add much to anyone cultural experiences." You live in your own little world, let us live in the big wide one | |||
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" holidays to some people are more than playing on the beach or laying in the sun. I agree. But I doubt it's the majority. A" Honestly id probbs lounge about, go to a few theme park type things.. but for me its more about time with my family who arent local | |||
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"Being a single parent , its important to save money where i can . I personally think I should be able to take my children on holiday in term time . Why should I pay the £200-400+ hike in prices to suit the greedy needs of holiday agents . If I was to be fined , it would still be cheaper to pay them and still go in term time , then to take them in holiday term . I have been lucky and not received any fines , but maybe that's because they have 98% attendance . I do think when a child comes to gcse's then that's down to the parents thinking about their child's education . I wouldn't take them away the year they have exams in term time . It is down to common sence , but can see people using the slack system to their benifits . I do feel on the other hand , I won't be punished for other people taking the piss . If the government want to fine me then please do so . I'll post the cash in a thank you card , as I'm still saving money . thats how i feel. looked at Butlins for next year for 4 days durig the Summer holidays.. £1200 thats for 3 adults and a 5yr old... 2 weeks before the holiday its £600 Id not even contemplate taking her out of school during exam times, but at this stage of her school life its fun and games for the most part. Im switched on and we do plenty of educational activities together as it is and she hasnt started yet. Also on our last break we created a scrap book of memories, she drew pictures and told me what to write down. Time with family is just as important " I totally agree with you . Family time together is important . Even though I am separated , my time with my children is just as important as if I was still with my ex . Has been said else where in the thread about cheeper holidays in holiday time . If I want to work 60-70 hrs a week to earn extra money to take my children abroad , then that's also down to me . Do you give your children the best presants you can afford for Xmas and bdays ? Why shouldn't that be the same with holidays . Yes there are lovely places in Britain , but as I'm lucky enough to be able to earn and go where I like why not spoil my children . Yes you could call it penny pinching/tight by going in term time , but it's called business sence . If I see my child's education suffering then I deal with it and the school in a professional way . If need be I ask for extra work to come home . What you do with your children is up to you , but with common sence . Until its law that you can't take children out of school I will continue to do so . A fine is a fine . Not a ' you can't do that '. | |||
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"It's the blame culture. Parents blaming teachers for their kids failing, yet some parents do sod all parenting. If a sunshine holiday is 'more important than school', why not just remove the child from school altogether and home school them? im sure there are parents out there who would blame the teachers if their child is under performing, but its a very individual thing. Some children are blessed with being switched on and others have difficulties picking stuff up. Lets punish all of the children who are behind by forcing them to stay in school over the holiday to learn more shall we?.. nah i didnt think so. As parents i think it should be a natural extension to the day to ask how a child has got on, to sit at a table and do homework, just refreshing the days events so it 'sticks' in the mind more. " Schools do offer summer schools and there are teachers who will go into class during half term to support those who are struggling. If all parents _iewed things as you do there would be no need for such strict guidelines because government would feel confident that children weren't being left behind when they were taken out of school. Parents also need to look at the environment they are providing their children at home. If a child can't be given a set routine with meals and decent quality and amount of sleep, then they're never going to perform at their best. It's not just the learning, it's everything else that allows the child to function properly at school. crystal | |||
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" Until its law that you can't take children out of school I will continue to do so . A fine is a fine . Not a ' you can't do that '. " On a few of the taster days i took my child too i asked various staff members about the whole holiday thing.. they said i can apply to the headmaster, include reasons why it will benefit my child etc.. the request will more than likely be denied but it doesnt mean i cant take her out of school. its just a statistic at the end of her school report. id be more likely to be given a thumbs up if it were a weekend break and only required the fri and monday off. | |||
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"Lets punish all of the children who are behind by forcing them to stay in school over the holiday to learn more shall we?.. nah i didnt think so." When I was at school there was the option for those 'behind' to stay on for an extra week or so to help them catch up. It was optional - but far from a punishment. The classes were smaller, pupils got more support and one to one time and benefitted massively when it came to their education and results. Those parents who saw the opportunity and importance gladly took up the chance rather than take a holiday. " As parents i think it should be a natural extension to the day to ask how a child has got on, to sit at a table and do homework, just refreshing the days events so it 'sticks' in the mind more. " Sadly not all parents do this. If they did - there'd be less children 'behind' and far better standards of education. Holidays are often more important to the parents than the children. Would a 5-10 year old really know the difference between playing in the sand in the UK or the Caribbean? Will they learn more culturally on the Costa del Sol or in Devon/Cornwall? A | |||
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"The education of our children is what will give them the grounding for the future, so they can learn, become qualified and secure a good job that will enable them to afford to take their children on holiday during the school holidays. Take them away for two weeks every year of their 11 years schooling during term time loses them half a year's worth of education, potentially leading to poor grades, low paid jobs and history repeating itself with them feeling the need to take their children out of school. Think about the impact now and maybe save your children from the same dilemma in 20 years." That's bullshit and scaremongering. With most classes mixed ability now, our children are held back naturally to fit the school system. The impact it can have on a student is minimal. There are more closer to home factors that have more impact | |||
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" Parents also need to look at the environment they are providing their children at home. If a child can't be given a set routine with meals and decent quality and amount of sleep, then they're never going to perform at their best. It's not just the learning, it's everything else that allows the child to function properly at school. crystal" off topic here.. first item of furniture i bought when i moved into my own home was a dining room table, always been a key item for me as it gives opportunity to communicate and share things. Great for routine eating/meals and is also our arts n crafts/games table | |||
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"The easy answer to this problem is to stop the holiday companies from privateering from parents by raising the prices to extortionate rates during the Holliday times. Bunch of sharks the lot of them!!" But how can the government (or anyone else) tell a hotel in Benidorm (or anywhere else) what its room rate should be? | |||
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" Holidays are often more important to the parents than the children. Would a 5-10 year old really know the difference between playing in the sand in the UK or the Caribbean? Will they learn more culturally on the Costa del Sol or in Devon/Cornwall? A" yeah i'll raise my hands again,, yeah its about me and my financial situation. im not even fussed on sunbathing,, august is way to hot and im a right crabby bitch, but what does impact on us as a family unit is finances, if i had cheaper holidays in the uk of course id not take her out of school i just know my child values time with her grandparents and being able to spend realistic values of it on time away for all of us.. | |||
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"Ok so to throw a slightly different angle at this. If parents have to go in courses it get fined for taking kids out of school, the. I theory the same should apply to the teachers who decide to go on strike half way through the school year this forcing parents to seek expensive one off childcare or forcing them to use a days annual leave. The inconsiderate timing of strikes puts extreme pressure on parents and their employers which is uncalled for. So if parents are being punished then so should the teachers!!!!" Teachers DO effectively get fined for going on strike, they lose a day's pay.... | |||
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"The education of our children is what will give them the grounding for the future, so they can learn, become qualified and secure a good job that will enable them to afford to take their children on holiday during the school holidays. Take them away for two weeks every year of their 11 years schooling during term time loses them half a year's worth of education, potentially leading to poor grades, low paid jobs and history repeating itself with them feeling the need to take their children out of school. Think about the impact now and maybe save your children from the same dilemma in 20 years." Yes you can say that to a certain point . I never went on holidays abroad as my parents couldn't afford it . We would go camping at weekends or in holiday time as its cheaper . I don't hate them or wish they did take me abroad. I had a very good attence at school . Had home work . Still did shit ! I'm not stupid , or thick . I know have my own business and does me well . Not at any point saying this happens with all children as there are many that do well and many that don't . Point is I had my education , a loving family who gave me help in setting up . I'm now in a situation where I do want to give my children the best . Give them what I didn't have . I don't take them abroad every year , so I don't worry about them losing massive amounts of input. Infact they prob get more education then the child who takes 50 days a year off because his mum thinks he's got a head ache . | |||
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" Parents also need to look at the environment they are providing their children at home. If a child can't be given a set routine with meals and decent quality and amount of sleep, then they're never going to perform at their best. It's not just the learning, it's everything else that allows the child to function properly at school. crystal off topic here.. first item of furniture i bought when i moved into my own home was a dining room table, always been a key item for me as it gives opportunity to communicate and share things. Great for routine eating/meals and is also our arts n crafts/games table " Family meal times are important for social skills etc. Too many families eat in front of the tv and never even speak to their kids. | |||
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"With most classes mixed ability now, our children are held back naturally to fit the school system. The impact it can have on a student is minimal. There are more closer to home factors that have more impact " Mixed ability classes must be so challenging for teachers. How on earth do you cater for different speeds, levels, learning styles, special educational needs as well as squeezing in the curriculum?! I don't agree with them. And totally agree that there are more things that parents can do at home that will have a greater impact on a child's education when compared to the impact a weeks holiday has. crystal | |||
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"Brilliant, yet again let's support the government who taxes the poor. Because it's ok if you can afford to go away during school holidays but if you can't, tough shit. I work in the emergency services and have had restrictions imposed almost constantly for the last two years permanently running under minimum staffing ( again thanks to the government) and when I do try to take my 6 year old out of school ( 100% attendance) it gets knocked back. I took her her anyway and appealed the fine due to my work and they supported me by providing letters stating restrictions etc and yet I was still threatened with court action. now luckily I'm switched on and sct 444 of the education act is summary only so needs to be laid within 6 more the of the offence(which took place when I took her out of school) so imagine their dissappear mentionedwhen they failed to get me to court Iin time. I'm all for education but at six years old and at detriment to the whole family . I don't think so. But hey I could be like other posters and choose not to have kids. LLet's all do that that will show the greedy holiday companies when the human race dies out and they can't make any more money " Thank you you have taken the words right out my mouth | |||
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"I think the old system worked better.. when you could have up to 10days. I don't think a week hurts and they won't miss that much.. Having said that I haven't been away on holiday for more than a 2 night break in 4 years as I can't afford it.. as even staying here during school holidays I'm talking 1000 plus x and as I need somewhere with disabled facilities and things a child with disabilities can enjoy camping is not viable... And I need somewhere with plenty on site I have a day where I am removing two of the kids from school because I had booked a long weekend... And hadn't realised that not all of the kids had the extra day... As two are off on the Monday .. School just said to put it as a family event as its for one day. My kids know full well I value education and am very strict on it... But I'm not changing the first break away in 4 years " We have a great local group that helps families with disabled kids. They do days out and holidays for the kids and their carers. They love it and it helps their development. I guess we are lucky here. I do agree that there should be a re_iew system for time off. A few days off school now and then won't hurt, or even a week to visit family abroad etc. It's the full weeks off for a beach holiday that I disagree with. | |||
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"We always take our kids on holiday during the school holidays. Holidays don't have to be anywhere exotic. A week camping anywhere in the uk doesn't cost a lot and the kids love it..failing that day trips to the beach/park/forest don't cost anything. It's parents thinking they have to go abroad/to resorts/hotels that moan about the cost. i disagree think uk prices are ridiculous during the school holidays.. over £500 to me is a considerable amount of money " A weeks camping has never cost me anywhere near that for 4 of us | |||
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"Ok so to throw a slightly different angle at this. If parents have to go in courses it get fined for taking kids out of school, the. I theory the same should apply to the teachers who decide to go on strike half way through the school year this forcing parents to seek expensive one off childcare or forcing them to use a days annual leave. The inconsiderate timing of strikes puts extreme pressure on parents and their employers which is uncalled for. So if parents are being punished then so should the teachers!!!!" The whole point of the strike is to make everyone aware that it is happening. If they went on strike during the school holidays nobody would care so the issues wouldn't be heard. I don't blame teachers for striking. They have a position of loco parentis which government and the public take to the extreme and expect not just academic education but psychological, behavioural, social, health and emotional education and support too. I've got many friends who left teaching after a couple of years as they felt they would have been better placed to help children if they had done a degree in behaviour management and social care rather than the subject they were teaching. crystal | |||
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"Ok so to throw a slightly different angle at this. If parents have to go in courses it get fined for taking kids out of school, the. I theory the same should apply to the teachers who decide to go on strike half way through the school year this forcing parents to seek expensive one off childcare or forcing them to use a days annual leave. The inconsiderate timing of strikes puts extreme pressure on parents and their employers which is uncalled for. So if parents are being punished then so should the teachers!!!! Teachers DO effectively get fined for going on strike, they lose a day's pay...." Yes but they are doing that by choice! The loss of a days wages is a drop in ocean to the total financial cost to the parents. Ie if a full class needed childcare it would cost nearly £1000 per class to have them looked after through private childcare. I appreciate why they are striking but I don't believe that they are looking at the true effect that they are having on the parents. | |||
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"We always take our kids on holiday during the school holidays. Holidays don't have to be anywhere exotic. A week camping anywhere in the uk doesn't cost a lot and the kids love it..failing that day trips to the beach/park/forest don't cost anything. It's parents thinking they have to go abroad/to resorts/hotels that moan about the cost. i disagree think uk prices are ridiculous during the school holidays.. over £500 to me is a considerable amount of money " Agree! I don't think I spend that much on holidays annually!  | |||
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"We always take our kids on holiday during the school holidays. Holidays don't have to be anywhere exotic. A week camping anywhere in the uk doesn't cost a lot and the kids love it..failing that day trips to the beach/park/forest don't cost anything. It's parents thinking they have to go abroad/to resorts/hotels that moan about the cost. i disagree think uk prices are ridiculous during the school holidays.. over £500 to me is a considerable amount of money A weeks camping has never cost me anywhere near that for 4 of us" the initial investment of all the camping gear, petrol to get to places, food/drink for a week, entertainment,, yes im probably nit picking but nothing is ever cheap these days July/August the prices are still higher than any other time of the year. | |||
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"We always take our kids on holiday during the school holidays. Holidays don't have to be anywhere exotic. A week camping anywhere in the uk doesn't cost a lot and the kids love it..failing that day trips to the beach/park/forest don't cost anything. It's parents thinking they have to go abroad/to resorts/hotels that moan about the cost. i disagree think uk prices are ridiculous during the school holidays.. over £500 to me is a considerable amount of money Agree! I don't think I spend that much on holidays annually! "Neither do I....that was exactly my point! | |||
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"We take ours out term time, we don't do it every year but my hubby works 6 days a week and I work at night so our kids don't get as much quality time with both of us!! We make sure they are up to date with all school work, they never miss school unless they are ill which is rare!! They complete all homework on time so I don't feel 2 weeks every other year will have a negative effect on their education! The effects of quality time with both parents I feel is essential and we are lucky that their schools don't object!! I can see both sides but I think it's up to each individual to decide what's best for them xx "And imagine the overtime you would have to do to pay for the holiday meaning less time with the family. You have different term times than England don't you? sure I've seen it cheaper to fly out of Scotland because of this | |||
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"We always take our kids on holiday during the school holidays. Holidays don't have to be anywhere exotic. A week camping anywhere in the uk doesn't cost a lot and the kids love it..failing that day trips to the beach/park/forest don't cost anything. It's parents thinking they have to go abroad/to resorts/hotels that moan about the cost. i disagree think uk prices are ridiculous during the school holidays.. over £500 to me is a considerable amount of money A weeks camping has never cost me anywhere near that for 4 of us the initial investment of all the camping gear, petrol to get to places, food/drink for a week, entertainment,, yes im probably nit picking but nothing is ever cheap these days July/August the prices are still higher than any other time of the year." Are July/August prices purely higher due to school holidays? Or simply because that's when the weather tends to be hotter and sunnier and hence when people are more likely to want to go?
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"We always take our kids on holiday during the school holidays. Holidays don't have to be anywhere exotic. A week camping anywhere in the uk doesn't cost a lot and the kids love it..failing that day trips to the beach/park/forest don't cost anything. It's parents thinking they have to go abroad/to resorts/hotels that moan about the cost. i disagree think uk prices are ridiculous during the school holidays.. over £500 to me is a considerable amount of money A weeks camping has never cost me anywhere near that for 4 of us the initial investment of all the camping gear, petrol to get to places, food/drink for a week, entertainment,, yes im probably nit picking but nothing is ever cheap these days July/August the prices are still higher than any other time of the year." Those things don't suddenly cost more because of the time if year. Presumably you still eat regardless of being on holiday?? | |||
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"We always take our kids on holiday during the school holidays. Holidays don't have to be anywhere exotic. A week camping anywhere in the uk doesn't cost a lot and the kids love it..failing that day trips to the beach/park/forest don't cost anything. It's parents thinking they have to go abroad/to resorts/hotels that moan about the cost. i disagree think uk prices are ridiculous during the school holidays.. over £500 to me is a considerable amount of money A weeks camping has never cost me anywhere near that for 4 of us the initial investment of all the camping gear, petrol to get to places, food/drink for a week, entertainment,, yes im probably nit picking but nothing is ever cheap these days July/August the prices are still higher than any other time of the year. Are July/August prices purely higher due to school holidays? Or simply because that's when the weather tends to be hotter and sunnier and hence when people are more likely to want to go?
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"We always take our kids on holiday during the school holidays. Holidays don't have to be anywhere exotic. A week camping anywhere in the uk doesn't cost a lot and the kids love it..failing that day trips to the beach/park/forest don't cost anything. It's parents thinking they have to go abroad/to resorts/hotels that moan about the cost. i disagree think uk prices are ridiculous during the school holidays.. over £500 to me is a considerable amount of money A weeks camping has never cost me anywhere near that for 4 of us the initial investment of all the camping gear, petrol to get to places, food/drink for a week, entertainment,, yes im probably nit picking but nothing is ever cheap these days July/August the prices are still higher than any other time of the year. Are July/August prices purely higher due to school holidays? Or simply because that's when the weather tends to be hotter and sunnier and hence when people are more likely to want to go?
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"Ok so to throw a slightly different angle at this. If parents have to go in courses it get fined for taking kids out of school, the. I theory the same should apply to the teachers who decide to go on strike half way through the school year this forcing parents to seek expensive one off childcare or forcing them to use a days annual leave. The inconsiderate timing of strikes puts extreme pressure on parents and their employers which is uncalled for. So if parents are being punished then so should the teachers!!!! Teachers DO effectively get fined for going on strike, they lose a day's pay.... Yes but they are doing that by choice! The loss of a days wages is a drop in ocean to the total financial cost to the parents. Ie if a full class needed childcare it would cost nearly £1000 per class to have them looked after through private childcare. I appreciate why they are striking but I don't believe that they are looking at the true effect that they are having on the parents." I don't agree with striking either and I'm inclined to agree with you there. However, people also choose to have children, with all the expense and inconvenience that goes along with the rewards of having a family. For me, this just fits into that category. I haven't been permanently traumatised by the fact summer holidays when I was a child usually consisted of going to my nan's in wales. Off topic as well, but I never understand why people take really small children on holiday to very hot places, then spend the entire time running round after them to make sure they don't get burned/heatstroke/whatever. Just go somewhere cooler and leave the sunbathing to the adults! | |||
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"We always take our kids on holiday during the school holidays. Holidays don't have to be anywhere exotic. A week camping anywhere in the uk doesn't cost a lot and the kids love it..failing that day trips to the beach/park/forest don't cost anything. It's parents thinking they have to go abroad/to resorts/hotels that moan about the cost. i disagree think uk prices are ridiculous during the school holidays.. over £500 to me is a considerable amount of money A weeks camping has never cost me anywhere near that for 4 of us the initial investment of all the camping gear, petrol to get to places, food/drink for a week, entertainment,, yes im probably nit picking but nothing is ever cheap these days July/August the prices are still higher than any other time of the year. Those things don't suddenly cost more because of the time if year. Presumably you still eat regardless of being on holiday??" i live in a tourist hotspot and strongly believe prices do get hiked up because of the holidays, yes it can be weather related. Business's have to capitalize on the increased foot fall during the summer to balance the lack of trade in the winter months. If it happens down here i'm sure it happens everywhere. With regards to camping im sure it would be cheaper than a holiday camp or going abroad but it would take still a fair bit of funding to get all the camping gear together. Even though it would hopefully be a long term investment and pay itself off | |||
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"It's a bit like saying, for the sake of saving some money, I will fuck up the chances of my son or daughter getting decent grades so I can tell my workmates I went to the costa del sol IMO" I never leave the country with my kids... Nor would I mess up their chances of getting a good grade. If anything I'd say a weeks holiday is a good thing. Parents are having to spend less and less time with their kids these days and family values are being lost along the way in many cases. A family holiday can give those kids a good time with parents and helps them relax and then perform better at school x Kids need time to be kids too and families need time together... You can't always get time off during school holidays either. My ex hubby has to book his two weeks off as soon as possible or he won't get it. As everyone else wants that time too. School is important but so is time to unwind with your children | |||
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"It's a bit like saying, for the sake of saving some money, I will fuck up the chances of my son or daughter getting decent grades so I can tell my workmates I went to the costa del sol IMO" What a piss take I dont take my kids out of school because its cheap I do it because I have limited time off, and I am divorced. So my time is paramount with my boys | |||
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"We always take our kids on holiday during the school holidays. Holidays don't have to be anywhere exotic. A week camping anywhere in the uk doesn't cost a lot and the kids love it..failing that day trips to the beach/park/forest don't cost anything. It's parents thinking they have to go abroad/to resorts/hotels that moan about the cost. i disagree think uk prices are ridiculous during the school holidays.. over £500 to me is a considerable amount of money A weeks camping has never cost me anywhere near that for 4 of us the initial investment of all the camping gear, petrol to get to places, food/drink for a week, entertainment,, yes im probably nit picking but nothing is ever cheap these days July/August the prices are still higher than any other time of the year. Are July/August prices purely higher due to school holidays? Or simply because that's when the weather tends to be hotter and sunnier and hence when people are more likely to want to go?
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Invalid point,, its when the holidays are.. its likely to be the weather but i cant change the holiday dates "Nobody can. Unless term times suddenly change. But then I assume the 'greedy holiday companies' would put prices up at different times? My point is, as has previously been mentioned - it's as much supply and demand as anything else. Try booking a pub meal on Xmas day? It'll be five times more expensive than the same meal the week before . Try buying a ticket to see a big name band? Official tickets sold out in hours and then available at extortionate rates elsewhere. Need to get a train ticket to London to arrive at 8.30am? That'll be a peak rate fare then. Buying a new car? How huge are the deals on offer just before the registration plate changes twice a year? Holiday companies are no different. They are a business - they will make sod all money on deals for much of the year offset by increased prices in the summer as that's when people want to go - either due to school holidays or because it's hot and sunny and folk want to enjoy the weather and get a tan. A | |||
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"Ok so to throw a slightly different angle at this. If parents have to go in courses it get fined for taking kids out of school, the. I theory the same should apply to the teachers who decide to go on strike half way through the school year this forcing parents to seek expensive one off childcare or forcing them to use a days annual leave. The inconsiderate timing of strikes puts extreme pressure on parents and their employers which is uncalled for. So if parents are being punished then so should the teachers!!!! Teachers DO effectively get fined for going on strike, they lose a day's pay.... Yes but they are doing that by choice! The loss of a days wages is a drop in ocean to the total financial cost to the parents. Ie if a full class needed childcare it would cost nearly £1000 per class to have them looked after through private childcare. I appreciate why they are striking but I don't believe that they are looking at the true effect that they are having on the parents. I don't agree with striking either and I'm inclined to agree with you there. However, people also choose to have children, with all the expense and inconvenience that goes along with the rewards of having a family. For me, this just fits into that category. I haven't been permanently traumatised by the fact summer holidays when I was a child usually consisted of going to my nan's in wales. Off topic as well, but I never understand why people take really small children on holiday to very hot places, then spend the entire time running round after them to make sure they don't get burned/heatstroke/whatever. Just go somewhere cooler and leave the sunbathing to the adults! " Personally I don't have kids but I do have a gorgeous niece and nephew. Now we all go away as a family every year with my parents also as we are very very close. Now my nephew starts school in September so next year will be the first real impact for all of us. Now (I'm sure I will be corrected if I am wrong) the cost difference for us to go away on 1/7 compared to 1/8 is huge. All in all we would be nearly £3000 for 1 week better off to fly on 1/7 and taking into account the fine of £60 per child per parent a total of £120 for my sister. Surely this is a complete no brainer!!! As long as there are no exams and the children's work is up to date etc and a discussion is had with the school and teacher regarding progress then surely there is no real issues. As others have stated holidays are not just about sitting round a pool, we ensure that the kids try and experience a bit of culture, history, education etc while away even if it's just down to finding things on the beach and explaining what they are and why they are there. This could be a huge open ended debate about right or wrong but the simple fact is, as long as there are open lines of communication with the teachers, parents, headmaster, governors etc regarding the situation then fines or punishments should be at the schools discretion. Now my brother in law works in the construction industry (roofing to be exact) and his busy period is the summer holidays when he has a contract to renew the roof areas of schools, due to this he is unable to take time off during the holiday period so therefore the question is should he be punished and fined because of this as he is assisting the schools in providing a safe environment for the children to learn in??? | |||
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"You win a free holiday . Somewhere with lovely beeches , half board, excellent _iews , lots to do and see and it's abroad . Its in term time . Would you go ?? Most would say yes ( apart from the few that would have a valid reason of work or don't like flying ) Point is given a oppotunity to do this at almost half the price , WITHOUT having a huge impact on education , why shouldn't we go ? The cost of this is not far more then going somewhere in Britain in the holidays . I'm sure some will say their holiday costs just £100 . If you want to go camping with a pitch that costs £20 then that's up to you . It's the same if I want to sleep in comfort in a nice bed ..... It's up to me . You go camping to save money . I do in term time to save money . " that's fine. Just don't complain about being fined for doing it. | |||
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"It amazes me that some parents think getting a cheap holiday abroad is more important than their child's education. It amazes me even more when that parent points the finger at the teacher when their child doesn't achieve the grades they were expecting. I'm not saying taking a child out for a week will affect their education that much, I'm saying the underlying attitude in some parents will rub off onto their children. Why can't the teacher put together some extra work for that child to do when they're away? Because if they did that for every single child that was taken out of their class they wouldn't have time left for all the extra pen pushing activities they now have to do. crystal" | |||
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"You win a free holiday . Somewhere with lovely beeches , half board, excellent _iews , lots to do and see and it's abroad . Its in term time . Would you go ?? Most would say yes ( apart from the few that would have a valid reason of work or don't like flying ) Point is given a oppotunity to do this at almost half the price , WITHOUT having a huge impact on education , why shouldn't we go ? The cost of this is not far more then going somewhere in Britain in the holidays . I'm sure some will say their holiday costs just £100 . If you want to go camping with a pitch that costs £20 then that's up to you . It's the same if I want to sleep in comfort in a nice bed ..... It's up to me . You go camping to save money . I do in term time to save money . that's fine. Just don't complain about being fined for doing it. " What like shut up and tow the line?? | |||
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"You win a free holiday . Somewhere with lovely beeches , half board, excellent _iews , lots to do and see and it's abroad . Its in term time . Would you go ?? Most would say yes ( apart from the few that would have a valid reason of work or don't like flying ) Point is given a oppotunity to do this at almost half the price , WITHOUT having a huge impact on education , why shouldn't we go ? The cost of this is not far more then going somewhere in Britain in the holidays . I'm sure some will say their holiday costs just £100 . If you want to go camping with a pitch that costs £20 then that's up to you . It's the same if I want to sleep in comfort in a nice bed ..... It's up to me . You go camping to save money . I do in term time to save money . that's fine. Just don't complain about being fined for doing it. What like shut up and tow the line??" not At all. You could try to fight it if it means that much to you. Of course you should. But complaining won't change the system. | |||
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"[ that's fine. Just don't complain about being fined for doing it. And still save money ? Where have I moaned about paying a fine ? Maybe if you went it term time you could buy some reading glasses with the money you saved . " I'm not the only one that needs reading glasses. .. No one said you shouldn't take your kids out of school during term time. I was pointing out that holidays during the holiday time don't have to cost a fortune and for most there are alternatives. Yes each situation is different and there will always be exceptional circumstances where the authorities should be flexible, but sadly some just see it as they should have a right to do whatever they please as rules shouldn't apply to them. | |||
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"[ that's fine. Just don't complain about being fined for doing it. And still save money ? Where have I moaned about paying a fine ? Maybe if you went it term time you could buy some reading glasses with the money you saved . I'm not the only one that needs reading glasses. .. No one said you shouldn't take your kids out of school during term time. I was pointing out that holidays during the holiday time don't have to cost a fortune and for most there are alternatives. Yes each situation is different and there will always be exceptional circumstances where the authorities should be flexible, but sadly some just see it as they should have a right to do whatever they please as rules shouldn't apply to them. " That's not the point I was making . You said don't moan about the fines . I haven't . If I get them I will just pay them . I'm still saving . Yes I can do as I like with my children to a certain point . When it becomes law that I can't take my children , I will respect that and work around that law . Until then my point is I will take my children and happily pay the fines . Why should they suffer . Sorry kids , but I can't take you away , because it's going to cost me a extra £1200. Being a single parent you need to save money where you can . If it means ruffling a few feathers to give my children the best I can afford , then I will . | |||
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"[ that's fine. Just don't complain about being fined for doing it. And still save money ? Where have I moaned about paying a fine ? Maybe if you went it term time you could buy some reading glasses with the money you saved . I'm not the only one that needs reading glasses. .. No one said you shouldn't take your kids out of school during term time. I was pointing out that holidays during the holiday time don't have to cost a fortune and for most there are alternatives. Yes each situation is different and there will always be exceptional circumstances where the authorities should be flexible, but sadly some just see it as they should have a right to do whatever they please as rules shouldn't apply to them. That's not the point I was making . You said don't moan about the fines . I haven't . If I get them I will just pay them . I'm still saving . Yes I can do as I like with my children to a certain point . When it becomes law that I can't take my children , I will respect that and work around that law . Until then my point is I will take my children and happily pay the fines . Why should they suffer . Sorry kids , but I can't take you away , because it's going to cost me a extra £1200. Being a single parent you need to save money where you can . If it means ruffling a few feathers to give my children the best I can afford , then I will . " you are arguing with me but we agree. If you're willing to pay the consequences then It's not a problem. I'm not sure who's feathers will be ruffled? And holidays aren't compulsory. The kids will appreciate spending time with you wherever you are. This is the point you are missing. | |||
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"My boys, 14, 10 & 8, have between 97 & 94 % attendance & that includes our September family gathering in Lincoln, we don't go abroad on our holidays as it is too expensive, yet the week before we away it is £400 more id rather pay the fine & allow my boys to spend time with their siblings than not go" this.. The fine in our area is 100 pounds per child, per parent, per week..if like me you have two kids that's 400 pounds for a two week holiday..I generally stick to set weeks anyway so it doesn't affect me.. | |||
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"My boys, 14, 10 & 8, have between 97 & 94 % attendance & that includes our September family gathering in Lincoln, we don't go abroad on our holidays as it is too expensive, yet the week before we away it is £400 more id rather pay the fine & allow my boys to spend time with their siblings than not go this.. The fine in our area is 100 pounds per child, per parent, per week..if like me you have two kids that's 400 pounds for a two week holiday..I generally stick to set weeks anyway so it doesn't affect me.."according to the direct.gov website its £60 rising to £120 if the fine is paid 21 days later but before 28 days | |||
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"Maybe they should just increase the fine so theirs no financial incentive to take kids on holiday during term time. They could then give discounts according to the ability of the child. That way the children will learn a valuable life lesson. Doing well at school means you get an easier life "that would be the only deterrant for me if they hiked up the fine so it was no longer worth it | |||
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"It amazes me that some parents think getting a cheap holiday abroad is more important than their child's education. It amazes me even more when that parent points the finger at the teacher when their child doesn't achieve the grades they were expecting. I'm not saying taking a child out for a week will affect their education that much, I'm saying the underlying attitude in some parents will rub off onto their children. Why can't the teacher put together some extra work for that child to do when they're away? Because if they did that for every single child that was taken out of their class they wouldn't have time left for all the extra pen pushing activities they now have to do. crystal" | |||
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"It's strange. You see plenty of parents complaining they can't take holidays outside of school holidays - but seldom teachers. Many of whom I'm sure are parents themselves. A Get what your saying, but teachers choose that job and know the working hours and conditions. yes i chose to be a parent, but these rules are new " the rules are new but your child hasn't started school yet. Its not as though they've changed through her school life. | |||
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"It's strange. You see plenty of parents complaining they can't take holidays outside of school holidays - but seldom teachers. Many of whom I'm sure are parents themselves. A Get what your saying, but teachers choose that job and know the working hours and conditions. yes i chose to be a parent, but these rules are new the rules are new but your child hasn't started school yet. Its not as though they've changed through her school life. " Teachers working hours and conditions have changed greatly just in the last few years. As have the rules on taking children out of school for hols. I can perfectly understand parents being in the position of having to do so due to cost. However, it can affect a child's progress. We know that. Blaming parents, schools, teachers is not the answer though. Holiday companies charge way too much and the government allows it. Parents are penalised whatever they do. | |||
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"My boys, 14, 10 & 8, have between 97 & 94 % attendance & that includes our September family gathering in Lincoln, we don't go abroad on our holidays as it is too expensive, yet the week before we away it is £400 more id rather pay the fine & allow my boys to spend time with their siblings than not go this.. The fine in our area is 100 pounds per child, per parent, per week..if like me you have two kids that's 400 pounds for a two week holiday..I generally stick to set weeks anyway so it doesn't affect me..
according to the direct.gov website its £60 rising to £120 if the fine is paid 21 days later but before 28 days
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"I struggled when my son was young as a single parent but i and most people i know never took our kids out of school. I remember the "odd" person going on holiday in term time and the prices where still more expensive then. I really can not see why parents have to take their kids out of school. Go on a cheaper holiday or one week instead of two" exactly my point. Holidays are a luxury you have IF you can afford it and if you can't you do the best you can, like we do. | |||
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"Some people just can't afford a holiday at all. And the ones who go on holiday during the school term are normally the ones who can't afford. And the way they jobs are and things going up in price. People are struggling with day to day living. So if I was one of them people I would take my children out of school when ever could afford it. Every child deserves a holiday now an then. And so does us as parents." a holiday doesn't have to involve paying to go somewhere...... We struggle so we go camping. The kids have the best time ever and it doesn't cost the earth. I think a lot of this is driven by the parents desire to do something they can't really afford to do but they claim they are doing it for the kids. Sorry but that is bollocks. | |||
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"Some people just can't afford a holiday at all. And the ones who go on holiday during the school term are normally the ones who can't afford. And the way they jobs are and things going up in price. People are struggling with day to day living. So if I was one of them people I would take my children out of school when ever could afford it. Every child deserves a holiday now an then. And so does us as parents. a holiday doesn't have to involve paying to go somewhere...... We struggle so we go camping. The kids have the best time ever and it doesn't cost the earth. I think a lot of this is driven by the parents desire to do something they can't really afford to do but they claim they are doing it for the kids. Sorry but that is bollocks. "
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"I go off season because there are no kids.... "Don't blame you. | |||
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"I go off season because there are no kids.... "Can't imagine you at Legoland. | |||
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"Some people just can't afford a holiday at all. And the ones who go on holiday during the school term are normally the ones who can't afford. And the way they jobs are and things going up in price. People are struggling with day to day living. So if I was one of them people I would take my children out of school when ever could afford it. Every child deserves a holiday now an then. And so does us as parents. a holiday doesn't have to involve paying to go somewhere...... We struggle so we go camping. The kids have the best time ever and it doesn't cost the earth. I think a lot of this is driven by the parents desire to do something they can't really afford to do but they claim they are doing it for the kids. Sorry but that is bollocks. " If you could afford to go abroad you would take your children abroad. Given the choice between camping or a foreign country my kids would have picked abroad | |||
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"Some people just can't afford a holiday at all. And the ones who go on holiday during the school term are normally the ones who can't afford. And the way they jobs are and things going up in price. People are struggling with day to day living. So if I was one of them people I would take my children out of school when ever could afford it. Every child deserves a holiday now an then. And so does us as parents. a holiday doesn't have to involve paying to go somewhere...... We struggle so we go camping. The kids have the best time ever and it doesn't cost the earth. I think a lot of this is driven by the parents desire to do something they can't really afford to do but they claim they are doing it for the kids. Sorry but that is bollocks. If you could afford to go abroad you would take your children abroad. Given the choice between camping or a foreign country my kids would have picked abroad " IF you could afford It. .. If being the operative word. My kids have never been abroad and I really don't think they are missing out at all. They have never once asked to go to another country. They really aren't that bothered. And actually I could afford to take my kids abroad but I can't really see the benefits to them at this stage in their lives. | |||
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"The millionaires who made this rule are all on holiday now,a child going abroad for a week or two a year,experiencing another culture cannot be bad. Children finishing before 3 and 13 weeks a year off ,this in no way can be argued as good education. Stop punishing ordinary families , get a grip of the actual people who keep their kids off on a regular basis " Disneyland is not experiencing another culture. ... | |||
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"rules are rules though and your kids education is more important than holidays. we cant all have everthing we want can we." indeed - we never took them out | |||
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"when we were a complete family we had the money but he never parted with it - we had camping and caravanning holidays - the best times my kids talk about were the days out = adventure picnics where we would just drive and see where we ended up - wellies and kagoules in the back if needed - back home late - day without dad - couple of their mates - great days " Love those kinds of days out. | |||
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"There is more to educating your child than them sitting in a classroom. Life experiences can never be beaten by a teacher spouting a set curriculum " It wont get them into Uni or get them qualifications though will it. Gimp | |||
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"There is more to educating your child than them sitting in a classroom. Life experiences can never be beaten by a teacher spouting a set curriculum It wont get them into Uni or get them qualifications though will it. Gimp" Of course it will. 10 days off you're not going to be turned into a dunce | |||
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"To take your children out of school to save £300 is wrong!" i really appreciate that our country provides free education, however a 5 day absence is not going to affect most childrens education whilst at primary school or even early secondary education. | |||
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"There is more to educating your child than them sitting in a classroom. Life experiences can never be beaten by a teacher spouting a set curriculum It wont get them into Uni or get them qualifications though will it. Gimp Of course it will. 10 days off you're not going to be turned into a dunce " not at all - we never took them out for holidays - my daughter has a serious illness that cnat be cured just managed - she missed half a year and has a lot of down time when shes unwell - is about to go back t do her final year of uni - so missing school a bit is fine if the child is prepared to put in the effort to not get behind | |||
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"To take your children out of school to save £300 is wrong! i really appreciate that our country provides free education, however a 5 day absence is not going to affect most childrens education whilst at primary school or even early secondary education. " We have a standard that is the school year. To take kids out for holidays is wrong. | |||
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"The easy answer to this problem is to stop the holiday companies from privateering from parents by raising the prices to extortionate rates during the Holliday times. Bunch of sharks the lot of them!!" Great idea in principle....one I would support wholeheartedly. Only problem is its a free market and as numerous economists and governments have found to their disastrous cost...you can't buck the market. It is simple supply and demand. Basic economics I'm afraid! | |||
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"There is more to educating your child than them sitting in a classroom. Life experiences can never be beaten by a teacher spouting a set curriculum It wont get them into Uni or get them qualifications though will it. Gimp Of course it will. 10 days off you're not going to be turned into a dunce not at all - we never took them out for holidays - my daughter has a serious illness that cnat be cured just managed - she missed half a year and has a lot of down time when shes unwell - is about to go back t do her final year of uni - so missing school a bit is fine if the child is prepared to put in the effort to not get behind " i am honestly sorry that your child is unwell (there but for the grace of god go i) But i was replying to the statement regarding life experiences as in taking Holidays and stuff. Gimp | |||
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"It seems everyone had their own reasons why their children deserve to be given special treatment. I don't understand why the government don't just let people do what the hell they like." That's called anarchy | |||
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"I share custody of my children. Should I be able to claim expenses from their school when they put an inset day / teacher training day with hardly any notice. Ironically the last day of term was a teacher training day yet several teachers were seen celebrating the retirement of the deputy head in a local bar at lunchtime. Kettle and pot springs to mind" Teacher training days are always planned well in advance. Are they not allowed a lunchbreak now?? | |||
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"The easy answer to this problem is to stop the holiday companies from privateering from parents by raising the prices to extortionate rates during the Holliday times. Bunch of sharks the lot of them!! Basic supply and demand. If the government allowed schools to take back control of their pupil's education then holidays would become more staggered reducing demand for the current peak times. If travel agencies were forced to push down their prices during school holidays they would only pass the cost onto those of us who have chosen not to have children and I don't see why I should have to subsidise someone else's holiday for a choice they made. crystal" Why not the people who did have children subsidise your holidays out of term time anyway | |||
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"To take your children out of school to save £300 is wrong! i really appreciate that our country provides free education, however a 5 day absence is not going to affect most childrens education whilst at primary school or even early secondary education. We have a standard that is the school year. To take kids out for holidays is wrong." Education is not just the teachers responsibilities,, its my job as a parent to enforce and encourage to the best of my abilities than my child will keep up. Still dont think a week out of term will impact greatly | |||
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"To take your children out of school to save £300 is wrong! i really appreciate that our country provides free education, however a 5 day absence is not going to affect most childrens education whilst at primary school or even early secondary education. We have a standard that is the school year. To take kids out for holidays is wrong. Education is not just the teachers responsibilities,, its my job as a parent to enforce and encourage to the best of my abilities than my child will keep up. Still dont think a week out of term will impact greatly " Probably not. | |||
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"To take your children out of school to save £300 is wrong! i really appreciate that our country provides free education, however a 5 day absence is not going to affect most childrens education whilst at primary school or even early secondary education. We have a standard that is the school year. To take kids out for holidays is wrong. Education is not just the teachers responsibilities,, its my job as a parent to enforce and encourage to the best of my abilities than my child will keep up. Still dont think a week out of term will impact greatly " but don't you see, if everyone decided to do that it would cause disruption to the whole class? Some people have very selfish attitudes. That's why there are fines in place. | |||
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"To take your children out of school to save £300 is wrong! i really appreciate that our country provides free education, however a 5 day absence is not going to affect most childrens education whilst at primary school or even early secondary education. We have a standard that is the school year. To take kids out for holidays is wrong. Education is not just the teachers responsibilities,, its my job as a parent to enforce and encourage to the best of my abilities than my child will keep up. Still dont think a week out of term will impact greatly but don't you see, if everyone decided to do that it would cause disruption to the whole class? Some people have very selfish attitudes. That's why there are fines in place. " Well said that woman! | |||
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"To take your children out of school to save £300 is wrong! i really appreciate that our country provides free education, however a 5 day absence is not going to affect most childrens education whilst at primary school or even early secondary education. We have a standard that is the school year. To take kids out for holidays is wrong. Education is not just the teachers responsibilities,, its my job as a parent to enforce and encourage to the best of my abilities than my child will keep up. Still dont think a week out of term will impact greatly but don't you see, if everyone decided to do that it would cause disruption to the whole class? Some people have very selfish attitudes. That's why there are fines in place. " There's disruption anyway with mixed ability classes | |||
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"Yeah and taking them out a,week early will really hurt them all those videos they miss watching cause they seem to do naff all else in the week before they break up "Dear God do you not realise that 80% of a child's education comes from the home. | |||
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"To take your children out of school to save £300 is wrong! i really appreciate that our country provides free education, however a 5 day absence is not going to affect most childrens education whilst at primary school or even early secondary education. We have a standard that is the school year. To take kids out for holidays is wrong. Education is not just the teachers responsibilities,, its my job as a parent to enforce and encourage to the best of my abilities than my child will keep up. Still dont think a week out of term will impact greatly but don't you see, if everyone decided to do that it would cause disruption to the whole class? Some people have very selfish attitudes. That's why there are fines in place. There's disruption anyway with mixed ability classes" I am flabbergasted at this comment. Dumfounded too! | |||
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"To take your children out of school to save £300 is wrong! i really appreciate that our country provides free education, however a 5 day absence is not going to affect most childrens education whilst at primary school or even early secondary education. We have a standard that is the school year. To take kids out for holidays is wrong. Education is not just the teachers responsibilities,, its my job as a parent to enforce and encourage to the best of my abilities than my child will keep up. Still dont think a week out of term will impact greatly but don't you see, if everyone decided to do that it would cause disruption to the whole class? Some people have very selfish attitudes. That's why there are fines in place. " Exactly this. There will be times when it's acceptable to take kids out of school, and these can be managed. But if it's something like a 'cheaper' holiday I don't think that's a good enough reason. It just teaches kids that rules are meant to be broken. | |||
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" but don't you see, if everyone decided to do that it would cause disruption to the whole class? Some people have very selfish attitudes. That's why there are fines in place. " if that makes me selfish so be it.. | |||
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"Yeah and taking them out a,week early will really hurt them all those videos they miss watching cause they seem to do naff all else in the week before they break up Dear God do you not realise that 80% of a child's education comes from the home."Yes and that's why our children have set routines about homework and there time but that's no the the reason for this thread. I was saying that the amount of teaching done in the last week is not worth them being there | |||
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"To take your children out of school to save £300 is wrong! i really appreciate that our country provides free education, however a 5 day absence is not going to affect most childrens education whilst at primary school or even early secondary education. We have a standard that is the school year. To take kids out for holidays is wrong. Education is not just the teachers responsibilities,, its my job as a parent to enforce and encourage to the best of my abilities than my child will keep up. Still dont think a week out of term will impact greatly but don't you see, if everyone decided to do that it would cause disruption to the whole class? Some people have very selfish attitudes. That's why there are fines in place. There's disruption anyway with mixed ability classes" I don't see any problem with mixed ability classes. It works very well at our school. It's a good school and why I chose it. | |||
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" but don't you see, if everyone decided to do that it would cause disruption to the whole class? Some people have very selfish attitudes. That's why there are fines in place. if that makes me selfish so be it.. " then the fines clearly need to be raised as they are not deterrent enough. | |||
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