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Kids with guns on channel 4! shocking
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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What are your thoughts guys? as I no its American people being interviewed. but we have a four year old daughter and would never let her near a gun never mind shooting one. think it is totally wrong!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I saw a trailer for this last week and the image of a little girl shooting the heads off her dolls sickened me. I couldn't bring myself to watch this.
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it is totally shocking how parents but guns for their children! ! one woman bought her son a gun and he went hunting ON HIS OWN! And killed himself how could you live with yourself? ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I saw the trailer and also wanted to watch it.
I'm the Mr writing this and have kids and exp in firearms.
I couldn't continue to stomach to watch this child abuse any more after 20 mins or so...
The child doesn't shoot for me, it's for herself.
My child will hunt and shoot if she likes it or not.
Aged 4.
This is why America and Americans are fucked up and have the worst gun crime rates and murders going.
A developed nation, yes, civilised? No way....
Utterly disgusting.
Just my tuppence worth x |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I saw the trailer and also wanted to watch it.
I'm the Mr writing this and have kids and exp in firearms.
I couldn't continue to stomach to watch this child abuse any more after 20 mins or so...
The child doesn't shoot for me, it's for herself.
My child will hunt and shoot if she likes it or not.
Aged 4.
This is why America and Americans are fucked up and have the worst gun crime rates and murders going.
A developed nation, yes, civilised? No way....
Utterly disgusting.
Just my tuppence worth x"
I totally agree with you. how could you even imagine letting a 4 year old handling a firearm! ! just wrong! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I've taught my kids how to shoot and hunt from an early age. Given correct instruction, fastidious supervision and a huge amount of respect I can't see a problem.
What we in England get to see are all the worst stories or things blown out of proportion because we're generally an anti-gun society. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I saw the trailer and also wanted to watch it.
I'm the Mr writing this and have kids and exp in firearms.
I couldn't continue to stomach to watch this child abuse any more after 20 mins or so...
The child doesn't shoot for me, it's for herself.
My child will hunt and shoot if she likes it or not.
Aged 4.
This is why America and Americans are fucked up and have the worst gun crime rates and murders going.
A developed nation, yes, civilised? No way....
Utterly disgusting.
Just my tuppence worth x
I totally agree with you. how could you even imagine letting a 4 year old handling a firearm! ! just wrong!"
My daughter was six. She's also quite normal. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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What I saw on TV today was mostly a joke! I was trained to shoot by qualified professionals as a teen and I later qualified as an instructor myself. There's no such thing as being completely safe with a gun or firearm there is always room for error but you need to be in as much control as possible in a controlled environment. Watching a wheelchair bound limbless father teach a frightened 4 yr old to shoot animals she does not want to kill is horrific!!! The kickback on that weapon almost took her face off and you would think the father would have learned a hard lesson? Shooting targets and hunting for food can be a great activity at the right age with proper teachers not the way those poor children were dragged into it!  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"What I saw on TV today was mostly a joke! I was trained to shoot by qualified professionals as a teen and I later qualified as an instructor myself. There's no such thing as being completely safe with a gun or firearm there is always room for error but you need to be in as much control as possible in a controlled environment. Watching a wheelchair bound limbless father teach a frightened 4 yr old to shoot animals she does not want to kill is horrific!!! The kickback on that weapon almost took her face off and you would think the father would have learned a hard lesson? Shooting targets and hunting for food can be a great activity at the right age with proper teachers not the way those poor children were dragged into it! "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It was the way the parents bought the guns as presents for Christmas or birthdays that got me and then expected the children to be excited.
Kids should be kids and not minature adults. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I was born and raised in the southern u.s. and what these posts have described is far from the norm in that culture. Sorry to burst your bubbles of outrage, but it's not. Bb guns or pellet guns are common for 7 or 8 year olds, later upgraded to a 22 ready for hunters education, which you have to pass before you can go hunting, at 13 or 14. My dad didn't go that route, though. He was a sniper on the swat team. He taught me safely on the police range, and he made me wait until i was old enough to listen to his instruction without tuning him out. I was drilled on gun safety for years before he ever let me hold that weapon. Most Americans who own guns aren't psycho or irresponsible. Most keep them locked up and secured and away from children. They also teach children about safety. |
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"I was born and raised in the southern u.s. and what these posts have described is far from the norm in that culture. Sorry to burst your bubbles of outrage, but it's not. Bb guns or pellet guns are common for 7 or 8 year olds, later upgraded to a 22 ready for hunters education, which you have to pass before you can go hunting, at 13 or 14. My dad didn't go that route, though. He was a sniper on the swat team. He taught me safely on the police range, and he made me wait until i was old enough to listen to his instruction without tuning him out. I was drilled on gun safety for years before he ever let me hold that weapon. Most Americans who own guns aren't psycho or irresponsible. Most keep them locked up and secured and away from children. They also teach children about safety. "
Is that why there's somebody shot every day. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I wouldn't let my kids have toy guns when they were little . . . Seeing others running round pretending too shoot each other really unsettled me . .
. . I even hid any given as presents for birthdays etc .
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was born and raised in the southern u.s. and what these posts have described is far from the norm in that culture. Sorry to burst your bubbles of outrage, but it's not. Bb guns or pellet guns are common for 7 or 8 year olds, later upgraded to a 22 ready for hunters education, which you have to pass before you can go hunting, at 13 or 14. My dad didn't go that route, though. He was a sniper on the swat team. He taught me safely on the police range, and he made me wait until i was old enough to listen to his instruction without tuning him out. I was drilled on gun safety for years before he ever let me hold that weapon. Most Americans who own guns aren't psycho or irresponsible. Most keep them locked up and secured and away from children. They also teach children about safety.
Is that why there's somebody shot every day."
The can try to pick holes all you want, hun. There are people shot quite often in the uk, as well. What was presented on that tv programme was not presented in the correct light. It's a small minority of idiots who act like that. The majority of people do have some sense. If that wasn't the case, and everyone acted the way many in Britain seem to think they will, there wouldn't actually be any population in the u.s. everyone would've kkilled each other off long ago. |
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"I was born and raised in the southern u.s. and what these posts have described is far from the norm in that culture. Sorry to burst your bubbles of outrage, but it's not. Bb guns or pellet guns are common for 7 or 8 year olds, later upgraded to a 22 ready for hunters education, which you have to pass before you can go hunting, at 13 or 14. My dad didn't go that route, though. He was a sniper on the swat team. He taught me safely on the police range, and he made me wait until i was old enough to listen to his instruction without tuning him out. I was drilled on gun safety for years before he ever let me hold that weapon. Most Americans who own guns aren't psycho or irresponsible. Most keep them locked up and secured and away from children. They also teach children about safety.
Is that why there's somebody shot every day."
Would it surprise you that there are far more people murdered in the USA with baseball bats than with guns, some ANYONE can buy regardless of age or criminal history. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't see the need for people to have guns.
As regards hunting, I do mine down the butchers and it doesn't half make it a lot easier.  "
Handguns in this country, I agree, we have no use for them in general.
Rifles and shotguns though are often needed by farmers, gamekeepers and vets for pest control and humane reasons.
I've always shot, since I was a young child. I target shoot and hunt. If done/taught correctly it's an excellent discipline that teaches some excellent skills that can be used in everyday life. Plus the meat you put on the table far exceeds anything you'll buy over the counter, especially from a supermarket. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"I don't see the need for people to have guns.
As regards hunting, I do mine down the butchers and it doesn't half make it a lot easier.
Handguns in this country, I agree, we have no use for them in general.
Rifles and shotguns though are often needed by farmers, gamekeepers and vets for pest control and humane reasons.
I've always shot, since I was a young child. I target shoot and hunt. If done/taught correctly it's an excellent discipline that teaches some excellent skills that can be used in everyday life. Plus the meat you put on the table far exceeds anything you'll buy over the counter, especially from a supermarket."
I dunno..... I'd probably rather a steak than rabbit stew. Difference us, one costs next to nothing... |
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"I've taught my kids how to shoot and hunt from an early age. Given correct instruction, fastidious supervision and a huge amount of respect I can't see a problem.
What we in England get to see are all the worst stories or things blown out of proportion because we're generally an anti-gun society."
My children love shooting. They are carefully supervised ( 1 on1) The middle one (10) was totally fascinated watching me gut a rabbit...
It's their choice, whether to shoot or hunt...
If they had their way they would be out every day... The middle one has also taken up archery and has represented the school. No doubt bows and arrows will be taking up space in the gun cabinet soon... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've tried shooting once I'm shit at getting the target...As far as the the US there are far more responsible gun owners than irresponsible ones out there..."
You should've tried the crossbow... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I (male) lived in the country as a child and used guns to hunt and for target shooting. Properly taught there is not an issue. It is respect for life and others they need.
I have travelled a lot in America. They are conditioned to believe they need a gun. One US Marine said to me "No one invades the USA because everyone has a gun". I said "it is actually because the USA is the most powerful country on Earth. We don't have guns in the UK and no one has invaded us since 1066"  |
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"I've tried shooting once I'm shit at getting the target...As far as the the US there are far more responsible gun owners than irresponsible ones out there...
You should've tried the crossbow..."
I did not want to be responsible for killing your neighbour |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've taught my kids how to shoot and hunt from an early age. Given correct instruction, fastidious supervision and a huge amount of respect I can't see a problem.
What we in England get to see are all the worst stories or things blown out of proportion because we're generally an anti-gun society.
My children love shooting. They are carefully supervised ( 1 on1) The middle one (10) was totally fascinated watching me gut a rabbit...
It's their choice, whether to shoot or hunt...
If they had their way they would be out every day... The middle one has also taken up archery and has represented the school. No doubt bows and arrows will be taking up space in the gun cabinet soon..."
I've recently purchased a crossbow. It's excellent fun and a totally different discipline that a firearm. Shame it's not legal to hunt with them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't see the need for people to have guns.
As regards hunting, I do mine down the butchers and it doesn't half make it a lot easier.
Handguns in this country, I agree, we have no use for them in general.
Rifles and shotguns though are often needed by farmers, gamekeepers and vets for pest control and humane reasons.
I've always shot, since I was a young child. I target shoot and hunt. If done/taught correctly it's an excellent discipline that teaches some excellent skills that can be used in everyday life. Plus the meat you put on the table far exceeds anything you'll buy over the counter, especially from a supermarket.
I dunno..... I'd probably rather a steak than rabbit stew. Difference us, one costs next to nothing..."
You should try my venison. Shot and butchered all by me, there's no finer meat. |
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"I don't see the need for people to have guns.
As regards hunting, I do mine down the butchers and it doesn't half make it a lot easier.
Handguns in this country, I agree, we have no use for them in general.
Rifles and shotguns though are often needed by farmers, gamekeepers and vets for pest control and humane reasons.
I've always shot, since I was a young child. I target shoot and hunt. If done/taught correctly it's an excellent discipline that teaches some excellent skills that can be used in everyday life. Plus the meat you put on the table far exceeds anything you'll buy over the counter, especially from a supermarket.
I dunno..... I'd probably rather a steak than rabbit stew. Difference us, one costs next to nothing...
You should try my venison. Shot and butchered all by me, there's no finer meat."
aww poor bambi |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't see the need for people to have guns.
As regards hunting, I do mine down the butchers and it doesn't half make it a lot easier.
Handguns in this country, I agree, we have no use for them in general.
Rifles and shotguns though are often needed by farmers, gamekeepers and vets for pest control and humane reasons.
I've always shot, since I was a young child. I target shoot and hunt. If done/taught correctly it's an excellent discipline that teaches some excellent skills that can be used in everyday life. Plus the meat you put on the table far exceeds anything you'll buy over the counter, especially from a supermarket.
I dunno..... I'd probably rather a steak than rabbit stew. Difference us, one costs next to nothing...
You should try my venison. Shot and butchered all by me, there's no finer meat.
aww poor bambi "
It was a stag. X |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't see the need for people to have guns.
As regards hunting, I do mine down the butchers and it doesn't half make it a lot easier.
Handguns in this country, I agree, we have no use for them in general.
Rifles and shotguns though are often needed by farmers, gamekeepers and vets for pest control and humane reasons.
I've always shot, since I was a young child. I target shoot and hunt. If done/taught correctly it's an excellent discipline that teaches some excellent skills that can be used in everyday life. Plus the meat you put on the table far exceeds anything you'll buy over the counter, especially from a supermarket.
I dunno..... I'd probably rather a steak than rabbit stew. Difference us, one costs next to nothing...
You should try my venison. Shot and butchered all by me, there's no finer meat.
aww poor bambi
It was a stag. X"
So was bambi, once he grew up, lol.
Hunting in the u.s. is actually necessary as a means of population control. The wildlife not only get very nasty diseases and die horribly from them, they also starve if the population isn't controlled. And in some species, they also contract and spread rabies in huge numbers. America is simply a very very different place to the uk in infinite ways. What works for one culture simply may not for another.
And to the poster about what the u.s. marine said to him, he's got a point. It's not indoctrinated into everyone, because many u.s. citizens exercise their constitutionally protected choice to NOT own a firearm. But there is a deterrant factor in knowing that firearms are common among the population and the average joe knows how to use them efficiently. Similar to the deterrant to invading China because once they inact conscription, their army would be the largest in the world. Britain may have tightly controlled firearms, for the most part, but those laws are actually fairly recent, adopted in the mid 90s weren't they? Prior to that there were many more present in this country, though still in a lesser scale than in the u.s. |
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"I've taught my kids how to shoot and hunt from an early age. Given correct instruction, fastidious supervision and a huge amount of respect I can't see a problem.
What we in England get to see are all the worst stories or things blown out of proportion because we're generally an anti-gun society.
My children love shooting. They are carefully supervised ( 1 on1) The middle one (10) was totally fascinated watching me gut a rabbit...
It's their choice, whether to shoot or hunt...
If they had their way they would be out every day... The middle one has also taken up archery and has represented the school. No doubt bows and arrows will be taking up space in the gun cabinet soon...
I've recently purchased a crossbow. It's excellent fun and a totally different discipline that a firearm. Shame it's not legal to hunt with them."
Unfortunately if you watch some of the bow hunters on the net, they are reckless and just plain cruel to the animals they hunt.
Bow hunting is a great skill and like all hunting the animal should not suffer... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't see the need for people to have guns.
As regards hunting, I do mine down the butchers and it doesn't half make it a lot easier.
Handguns in this country, I agree, we have no use for them in general.
Rifles and shotguns though are often needed by farmers, gamekeepers and vets for pest control and humane reasons.
I've always shot, since I was a young child. I target shoot and hunt. If done/taught correctly it's an excellent discipline that teaches some excellent skills that can be used in everyday life. Plus the meat you put on the table far exceeds anything you'll buy over the counter, especially from a supermarket.
I dunno..... I'd probably rather a steak than rabbit stew. Difference us, one costs next to nothing...
You should try my venison. Shot and butchered all by me, there's no finer meat.
aww poor bambi
It was a stag. X
So was bambi, once he grew up, lol.
Hunting in the u.s. is actually necessary as a means of population control. The wildlife not only get very nasty diseases and die horribly from them, they also starve if the population isn't controlled. And in some species, they also contract and spread rabies in huge numbers. America is simply a very very different place to the uk in infinite ways. What works for one culture simply may not for another.
And to the poster about what the u.s. marine said to him, he's got a point. It's not indoctrinated into everyone, because many u.s. citizens exercise their constitutionally protected choice to NOT own a firearm. But there is a deterrant factor in knowing that firearms are common among the population and the average joe knows how to use them efficiently. Similar to the deterrant to invading China because once they inact conscription, their army would be the largest in the world. Britain may have tightly controlled firearms, for the most part, but those laws are actually fairly recent, adopted in the mid 90s weren't they? Prior to that there were many more present in this country, though still in a lesser scale than in the u.s. "
I think I'm correct in saying that there's a county (possibly several) in the US where gun ownership is mandatory for the head of each household and that the crime figures are the lowest in the country. Whereas Chicago has the strictest gun control laws and it has the highest.
Switzerland is the perfect example that a heavily armed (and well trained) society can be a peaceful one. Nearly everyone there has a firearm and their crime figures are some of the lowest in the world. |
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"I've taught my kids how to shoot and hunt from an early age. Given correct instruction, fastidious supervision and a huge amount of respect I can't see a problem.
What we in England get to see are all the worst stories or things blown out of proportion because we're generally an anti-gun society.
My children love shooting. They are carefully supervised ( 1 on1) The middle one (10) was totally fascinated watching me gut a rabbit...
It's their choice, whether to shoot or hunt...
If they had their way they would be out every day... The middle one has also taken up archery and has represented the school. No doubt bows and arrows will be taking up space in the gun cabinet soon...
I've recently purchased a crossbow. It's excellent fun and a totally different discipline that a firearm. Shame it's not legal to hunt with them.
Unfortunately if you watch some of the bow hunters on the net, they are reckless and just plain cruel to the animals they hunt.
Bow hunting is a great skill and like all hunting the animal should not suffer..."
That's because a true hunter would never consider taking a camera along on a hunt and acting it up for the people who may potentially watch the footage.
I once stalked some deer for almost two days before I had the perfect shot. |
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"I don't see the need for people to have guns.
As regards hunting, I do mine down the butchers and it doesn't half make it a lot easier. "
hugs for tina,xxxx |
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By (user no longer on site)
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only gun ice used was a 22 rifle in Air Cadets aged 13..
i cried (like a wuss) after the first shot as i held a weapon in my hands and potentially could have killed someone with it, was just that over whelming sense of power i had in my hands.
I used SAT ranged too using the army standard issue weapon (L98 i think) that was fun as its only laser target practice
Generally against the idea of children shooting guns even though i did whilst at cadets. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
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"I don't see the need for people to have guns.
As regards hunting, I do mine down the butchers and it doesn't half make it a lot easier.
hugs for tina,xxxx"
Hugs back and I'd attempt a kiss if we could get close enough |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't see the need for people to have guns.
As regards hunting, I do mine down the butchers and it doesn't half make it a lot easier.
Handguns in this country, I agree, we have no use for them in general.
Rifles and shotguns though are often needed by farmers, gamekeepers and vets for pest control and humane reasons.
I've always shot, since I was a young child. I target shoot and hunt. If done/taught correctly it's an excellent discipline that teaches some excellent skills that can be used in everyday life. Plus the meat you put on the table far exceeds anything you'll buy over the counter, especially from a supermarket.
I dunno..... I'd probably rather a steak than rabbit stew. Difference us, one costs next to nothing...
You should try my venison. Shot and butchered all by me, there's no finer meat.
aww poor bambi
It was a stag. X
So was bambi, once he grew up, lol.
Hunting in the u.s. is actually necessary as a means of population control. The wildlife not only get very nasty diseases and die horribly from them, they also starve if the population isn't controlled. And in some species, they also contract and spread rabies in huge numbers. America is simply a very very different place to the uk in infinite ways. What works for one culture simply may not for another.
And to the poster about what the u.s. marine said to him, he's got a point. It's not indoctrinated into everyone, because many u.s. citizens exercise their constitutionally protected choice to NOT own a firearm. But there is a deterrant factor in knowing that firearms are common among the population and the average joe knows how to use them efficiently. Similar to the deterrant to invading China because once they inact conscription, their army would be the largest in the world. Britain may have tightly controlled firearms, for the most part, but those laws are actually fairly recent, adopted in the mid 90s weren't they? Prior to that there were many more present in this country, though still in a lesser scale than in the u.s.
I think I'm correct in saying that there's a county (possibly several) in the US where gun ownership is mandatory for the head of each household and that the crime figures are the lowest in the country. Whereas Chicago has the strictest gun control laws and it has the highest.
Switzerland is the perfect example that a heavily armed (and well trained) society can be a peaceful one. Nearly everyone there has a firearm and their crime figures are some of the lowest in the world."
There was a city in Georgia that enacted that city ordinance in April but it was challenged and repealed because the constitution protects the right to choose not to as much as it protects the right to choose to. |
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"I don't see the need for people to have guns.
As regards hunting, I do mine down the butchers and it doesn't half make it a lot easier.
Handguns in this country, I agree, we have no use for them in general.
Rifles and shotguns though are often needed by farmers, gamekeepers and vets for pest control and humane reasons.
I've always shot, since I was a young child. I target shoot and hunt. If done/taught correctly it's an excellent discipline that teaches some excellent skills that can be used in everyday life. Plus the meat you put on the table far exceeds anything you'll buy over the counter, especially from a supermarket.
I dunno..... I'd probably rather a steak than rabbit stew. Difference us, one costs next to nothing...
You should try my venison. Shot and butchered all by me, there's no finer meat.
aww poor bambi
It was a stag. X
So was bambi, once he grew up, lol.
Hunting in the u.s. is actually necessary as a means of population control. The wildlife not only get very nasty diseases and die horribly from them, they also starve if the population isn't controlled. And in some species, they also contract and spread rabies in huge numbers. America is simply a very very different place to the uk in infinite ways. What works for one culture simply may not for another.
And to the poster about what the u.s. marine said to him, he's got a point. It's not indoctrinated into everyone, because many u.s. citizens exercise their constitutionally protected choice to NOT own a firearm. But there is a deterrant factor in knowing that firearms are common among the population and the average joe knows how to use them efficiently. Similar to the deterrant to invading China because once they inact conscription, their army would be the largest in the world. Britain may have tightly controlled firearms, for the most part, but those laws are actually fairly recent, adopted in the mid 90s weren't they? Prior to that there were many more present in this country, though still in a lesser scale than in the u.s.
I think I'm correct in saying that there's a county (possibly several) in the US where gun ownership is mandatory for the head of each household and that the crime figures are the lowest in the country. Whereas Chicago has the strictest gun control laws and it has the highest.
Switzerland is the perfect example that a heavily armed (and well trained) society can be a peaceful one. Nearly everyone there has a firearm and their crime figures are some of the lowest in the world.
There was a city in Georgia that enacted that city ordinance in April but it was challenged and repealed because the constitution protects the right to choose not to as much as it protects the right to choose to. "
Sorry, that should read april '13. It was repealed in august '13 |
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"I don't see the need for people to have guns.
As regards hunting, I do mine down the butchers and it doesn't half make it a lot easier.
Handguns in this country, I agree, we have no use for them in general.
Rifles and shotguns though are often needed by farmers, gamekeepers and vets for pest control and humane reasons.
I've always shot, since I was a young child. I target shoot and hunt. If done/taught correctly it's an excellent discipline that teaches some excellent skills that can be used in everyday life. Plus the meat you put on the table far exceeds anything you'll buy over the counter, especially from a supermarket.
I dunno..... I'd probably rather a steak than rabbit stew. Difference us, one costs next to nothing...
You should try my venison. Shot and butchered all by me, there's no finer meat.
aww poor bambi
It was a stag. X
So was bambi, once he grew up, lol.
Hunting in the u.s. is actually necessary as a means of population control. The wildlife not only get very nasty diseases and die horribly from them, they also starve if the population isn't controlled. And in some species, they also contract and spread rabies in huge numbers. America is simply a very very different place to the uk in infinite ways. What works for one culture simply may not for another.
And to the poster about what the u.s. marine said to him, he's got a point. It's not indoctrinated into everyone, because many u.s. citizens exercise their constitutionally protected choice to NOT own a firearm. But there is a deterrant factor in knowing that firearms are common among the population and the average joe knows how to use them efficiently. Similar to the deterrant to invading China because once they inact conscription, their army would be the largest in the world. Britain may have tightly controlled firearms, for the most part, but those laws are actually fairly recent, adopted in the mid 90s weren't they? Prior to that there were many more present in this country, though still in a lesser scale than in the u.s.
I think I'm correct in saying that there's a county (possibly several) in the US where gun ownership is mandatory for the head of each household and that the crime figures are the lowest in the country. Whereas Chicago has the strictest gun control laws and it has the highest.
Switzerland is the perfect example that a heavily armed (and well trained) society can be a peaceful one. Nearly everyone there has a firearm and their crime figures are some of the lowest in the world.
There was a city in Georgia that enacted that city ordinance in April but it was challenged and repealed because the constitution protects the right to choose not to as much as it protects the right to choose to. "
That was Nelson, I was thinking of Kennesaw. It's still mandatory there. |
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"I don't see the need for people to have guns.
As regards hunting, I do mine down the butchers and it doesn't half make it a lot easier.
Handguns in this country, I agree, we have no use for them in general.
Rifles and shotguns though are often needed by farmers, gamekeepers and vets for pest control and humane reasons.
I've always shot, since I was a young child. I target shoot and hunt. If done/taught correctly it's an excellent discipline that teaches some excellent skills that can be used in everyday life. Plus the meat you put on the table far exceeds anything you'll buy over the counter, especially from a supermarket.
I dunno..... I'd probably rather a steak than rabbit stew. Difference us, one costs next to nothing...
You should try my venison. Shot and butchered all by me, there's no finer meat.
aww poor bambi
It was a stag. X
So was bambi, once he grew up, lol.
Hunting in the u.s. is actually necessary as a means of population control. The wildlife not only get very nasty diseases and die horribly from them, they also starve if the population isn't controlled. And in some species, they also contract and spread rabies in huge numbers. America is simply a very very different place to the uk in infinite ways. What works for one culture simply may not for another.
And to the poster about what the u.s. marine said to him, he's got a point. It's not indoctrinated into everyone, because many u.s. citizens exercise their constitutionally protected choice to NOT own a firearm. But there is a deterrant factor in knowing that firearms are common among the population and the average joe knows how to use them efficiently. Similar to the deterrant to invading China because once they inact conscription, their army would be the largest in the world. Britain may have tightly controlled firearms, for the most part, but those laws are actually fairly recent, adopted in the mid 90s weren't they? Prior to that there were many more present in this country, though still in a lesser scale than in the u.s.
I think I'm correct in saying that there's a county (possibly several) in the US where gun ownership is mandatory for the head of each household and that the crime figures are the lowest in the country. Whereas Chicago has the strictest gun control laws and it has the highest.
Switzerland is the perfect example that a heavily armed (and well trained) society can be a peaceful one. Nearly everyone there has a firearm and their crime figures are some of the lowest in the world.
There was a city in Georgia that enacted that city ordinance in April but it was challenged and repealed because the constitution protects the right to choose not to as much as it protects the right to choose to.
That was Nelson, I was thinking of Kennesaw. It's still mandatory there."
It'll eventually have to go the same way Nelson did, and for the same reason. It's a protected choice. It'll be challenged and eventually the protection will be upheld. Though you'll probably find that the majority in that town will continue to own them, it won't be legal to require it. |
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"only gun ice used was a 22 rifle in Air Cadets aged 13..
i cried (like a wuss) after the first shot as i held a weapon in my hands and potentially could have killed someone with it, was just that over whelming sense of power i had in my hands.
I used SAT ranged too using the army standard issue weapon (L98 i think) that was fun as its only laser target practice
Generally against the idea of children shooting guns even though i did whilst at cadets. "
I'd say your experience was more due to poor instructors than any overwhelming sense of power. Air rifles are heavily restricted on power (unless you have a full firearms certificate) and you'd have to be extremely unlucky to seriously hurt someone with one. That being said, if you didn't feel confident or comfortable with one then you did the right thing by not firing it again. |
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"I don't see the need for people to have guns.
As regards hunting, I do mine down the butchers and it doesn't half make it a lot easier.
Handguns in this country, I agree, we have no use for them in general.
Rifles and shotguns though are often needed by farmers, gamekeepers and vets for pest control and humane reasons.
I've always shot, since I was a young child. I target shoot and hunt. If done/taught correctly it's an excellent discipline that teaches some excellent skills that can be used in everyday life. Plus the meat you put on the table far exceeds anything you'll buy over the counter, especially from a supermarket.
I dunno..... I'd probably rather a steak than rabbit stew. Difference us, one costs next to nothing...
You should try my venison. Shot and butchered all by me, there's no finer meat.
aww poor bambi
It was a stag. X
So was bambi, once he grew up, lol.
Hunting in the u.s. is actually necessary as a means of population control. The wildlife not only get very nasty diseases and die horribly from them, they also starve if the population isn't controlled. And in some species, they also contract and spread rabies in huge numbers. America is simply a very very different place to the uk in infinite ways. What works for one culture simply may not for another.
And to the poster about what the u.s. marine said to him, he's got a point. It's not indoctrinated into everyone, because many u.s. citizens exercise their constitutionally protected choice to NOT own a firearm. But there is a deterrant factor in knowing that firearms are common among the population and the average joe knows how to use them efficiently. Similar to the deterrant to invading China because once they inact conscription, their army would be the largest in the world. Britain may have tightly controlled firearms, for the most part, but those laws are actually fairly recent, adopted in the mid 90s weren't they? Prior to that there were many more present in this country, though still in a lesser scale than in the u.s.
I think I'm correct in saying that there's a county (possibly several) in the US where gun ownership is mandatory for the head of each household and that the crime figures are the lowest in the country. Whereas Chicago has the strictest gun control laws and it has the highest.
Switzerland is the perfect example that a heavily armed (and well trained) society can be a peaceful one. Nearly everyone there has a firearm and their crime figures are some of the lowest in the world.
There was a city in Georgia that enacted that city ordinance in April but it was challenged and repealed because the constitution protects the right to choose not to as much as it protects the right to choose to.
That was Nelson, I was thinking of Kennesaw. It's still mandatory there.
It'll eventually have to go the same way Nelson did, and for the same reason. It's a protected choice. It'll be challenged and eventually the protection will be upheld. Though you'll probably find that the majority in that town will continue to own them, it won't be legal to require it. "
I'd agree especially as it's clearly proven that it's worked over the past 20yrs. |
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"only gun ice used was a 22 rifle in Air Cadets aged 13..
i cried (like a wuss) after the first shot as i held a weapon in my hands and potentially could have killed someone with it, was just that over whelming sense of power i had in my hands.
I used SAT ranged too using the army standard issue weapon (L98 i think) that was fun as its only laser target practice
Generally against the idea of children shooting guns even though i did whilst at cadets.
I'd say your experience was more due to poor instructors than any overwhelming sense of power. Air rifles are heavily restricted on power (unless you have a full firearms certificate) and you'd have to be extremely unlucky to seriously hurt someone with one. That being said, if you didn't feel confident or comfortable with one then you did the right thing by not firing it again."
I agree. I was 12 and my first fire was a 357 revolver that the recoil from just about threw me on my ass. I loved it. The Smith & wesson 9mm, though, i wasn't fond of at all. |
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"I don't see the need for people to have guns.
As regards hunting, I do mine down the butchers and it doesn't half make it a lot easier.
Handguns in this country, I agree, we have no use for them in general.
Rifles and shotguns though are often needed by farmers, gamekeepers and vets for pest control and humane reasons.
I've always shot, since I was a young child. I target shoot and hunt. If done/taught correctly it's an excellent discipline that teaches some excellent skills that can be used in everyday life. Plus the meat you put on the table far exceeds anything you'll buy over the counter, especially from a supermarket.
I dunno..... I'd probably rather a steak than rabbit stew. Difference us, one costs next to nothing...
You should try my venison. Shot and butchered all by me, there's no finer meat.
aww poor bambi
It was a stag. X
So was bambi, once he grew up, lol.
Hunting in the u.s. is actually necessary as a means of population control. The wildlife not only get very nasty diseases and die horribly from them, they also starve if the population isn't controlled. And in some species, they also contract and spread rabies in huge numbers. America is simply a very very different place to the uk in infinite ways. What works for one culture simply may not for another.
And to the poster about what the u.s. marine said to him, he's got a point. It's not indoctrinated into everyone, because many u.s. citizens exercise their constitutionally protected choice to NOT own a firearm. But there is a deterrant factor in knowing that firearms are common among the population and the average joe knows how to use them efficiently. Similar to the deterrant to invading China because once they inact conscription, their army would be the largest in the world. Britain may have tightly controlled firearms, for the most part, but those laws are actually fairly recent, adopted in the mid 90s weren't they? Prior to that there were many more present in this country, though still in a lesser scale than in the u.s.
I think I'm correct in saying that there's a county (possibly several) in the US where gun ownership is mandatory for the head of each household and that the crime figures are the lowest in the country. Whereas Chicago has the strictest gun control laws and it has the highest.
Switzerland is the perfect example that a heavily armed (and well trained) society can be a peaceful one. Nearly everyone there has a firearm and their crime figures are some of the lowest in the world.
There was a city in Georgia that enacted that city ordinance in April but it was challenged and repealed because the constitution protects the right to choose not to as much as it protects the right to choose to.
That was Nelson, I was thinking of Kennesaw. It's still mandatory there.
It'll eventually have to go the same way Nelson did, and for the same reason. It's a protected choice. It'll be challenged and eventually the protection will be upheld. Though you'll probably find that the majority in that town will continue to own them, it won't be legal to require it.
I'd agree especially as it's clearly proven that it's worked over the past 20yrs."
I think it was Virginia, but may have been another state, a few years ago that was among the first you go constitutional carry and released that the largest uptake in firearms sakes was among women who wanted them to carry in their handbags with an almost immediate downturn in incidents of rape and muggings after that info was released. It *can* help immensely, though i grant that it doesn't always. |
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"only gun ice used was a 22 rifle in Air Cadets aged 13..
i cried (like a wuss) after the first shot as i held a weapon in my hands and potentially could have killed someone with it, was just that over whelming sense of power i had in my hands.
I used SAT ranged too using the army standard issue weapon (L98 i think) that was fun as its only laser target practice
Generally against the idea of children shooting guns even though i did whilst at cadets.
I'd say your experience was more due to poor instructors than any overwhelming sense of power. Air rifles are heavily restricted on power (unless you have a full firearms certificate) and you'd have to be extremely unlucky to seriously hurt someone with one. That being said, if you didn't feel confident or comfortable with one then you did the right thing by not firing it again.
I agree. I was 12 and my first fire was a 357 revolver that the recoil from just about threw me on my ass. I loved it. The Smith & wesson 9mm, though, i wasn't fond of at all. "
My daughter (15 at the time) fired a 500 Smith a couple of years ago while we were on holiday in Florida. She managed all 5 rounds but didn't think her wrists could take any more so we switched back to the 9mm Sig P226 which is a gun I'm extremely familiar with. My son (who was 11) stuck with the Ruger .22. |
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"only gun ice used was a 22 rifle in Air Cadets aged 13..
i cried (like a wuss) after the first shot as i held a weapon in my hands and potentially could have killed someone with it, was just that over whelming sense of power i had in my hands.
I used SAT ranged too using the army standard issue weapon (L98 i think) that was fun as its only laser target practice
Generally against the idea of children shooting guns even though i did whilst at cadets.
I'd say your experience was more due to poor instructors than any overwhelming sense of power. Air rifles are heavily restricted on power (unless you have a full firearms certificate) and you'd have to be extremely unlucky to seriously hurt someone with one. That being said, if you didn't feel confident or comfortable with one then you did the right thing by not firing it again.
I agree. I was 12 and my first fire was a 357 revolver that the recoil from just about threw me on my ass. I loved it. The Smith & wesson 9mm, though, i wasn't fond of at all.
My daughter (15 at the time) fired a 500 Smith a couple of years ago while we were on holiday in Florida. She managed all 5 rounds but didn't think her wrists could take any more so we switched back to the 9mm Sig P226 which is a gun I'm extremely familiar with. My son (who was 11) stuck with the Ruger .22."
Yeah, this was my dad's so it was the one that held 13 rounds. I managed first pressure but just really didn't like the thing at all. The recoil on the revolver was stronger but the Smith just seemed to 'bite' worse, if that makes sense. |
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"I will stick to my water pistol 
I successfully hunted and caught my first hubby with a water gun in a keychain. Good memories 
Haha you always make me giggle "
In this instance, I'm actually serious. I decided i wanted him to ask me on a date, so i loaded my weapon and every time i passed him in the halls in high school, i pelted him between the eyes. Started Monday, on Friday he'd asked me out. I got pregnant about 2 months later and we got married. Successfully hunted and caught first husband. |
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"I will stick to my water pistol
I successfully hunted and caught my first hubby with a water gun in a keychain. Good memories
Haha you always make me giggle
In this instance, I'm actually serious. I decided i wanted him to ask me on a date, so i loaded my weapon and every time i passed him in the halls in high school, i pelted him between the eyes. Started Monday, on Friday he'd asked me out. I got pregnant about 2 months later and we got married. Successfully hunted and caught first husband. "
How did you hunt husband number 2? |
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"I will stick to my water pistol
I successfully hunted and caught my first hubby with a water gun in a keychain. Good memories
Haha you always make me giggle
In this instance, I'm actually serious. I decided i wanted him to ask me on a date, so i loaded my weapon and every time i passed him in the halls in high school, i pelted him between the eyes. Started Monday, on Friday he'd asked me out. I got pregnant about 2 months later and we got married. Successfully hunted and caught first husband.
How did you hunt husband number 2? "
The same as husband number three, two partners, and two fuck buddies: SEX! |
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As regards hunting, I do mine down the butchers and it doesn't half make it a lot easier. "
So you are quite happy for other people doing the killing and preparation. Just because you don't like doing something, doesn't mean that others don't enjoy and have pride in the ability to put meat on the table...
Some people would say there is no need for swinging, cross dressing, bdsm or any of the other activities that fab members enjoy... Doesn't mean they are right... |
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"I will stick to my water pistol
I successfully hunted and caught my first hubby with a water gun in a keychain. Good memories
Haha you always make me giggle
In this instance, I'm actually serious. I decided i wanted him to ask me on a date, so i loaded my weapon and every time i passed him in the halls in high school, i pelted him between the eyes. Started Monday, on Friday he'd asked me out. I got pregnant about 2 months later and we got married. Successfully hunted and caught first husband.
How did you hunt husband number 2?
The same as husband number three, two partners, and two fuck buddies: SEX! "
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"only gun ice used was a 22 rifle in Air Cadets aged 13..
i cried (like a wuss) after the first shot as i held a weapon in my hands and potentially could have killed someone with it, was just that over whelming sense of power i had in my hands.
I used SAT ranged too using the army standard issue weapon (L98 i think) that was fun as its only laser target practice
Generally against the idea of children shooting guns even though i did whilst at cadets.
I'd say your experience was more due to poor instructors than any overwhelming sense of power. Air rifles are heavily restricted on power (unless you have a full firearms certificate) and you'd have to be extremely unlucky to seriously hurt someone with one. That being said, if you didn't feel confident or comfortable with one then you did the right thing by not firing it again.
I agree. I was 12 and my first fire was a 357 revolver that the recoil from just about threw me on my ass. I loved it. The Smith & wesson 9mm, though, i wasn't fond of at all.
My daughter (15 at the time) fired a 500 Smith a couple of years ago while we were on holiday in Florida. She managed all 5 rounds but didn't think her wrists could take any more so we switched back to the 9mm Sig P226 which is a gun I'm extremely familiar with. My son (who was 11) stuck with the Ruger .22.
Yeah, this was my dad's so it was the one that held 13 rounds. I managed first pressure but just really didn't like the thing at all. The recoil on the revolver was stronger but the Smith just seemed to 'bite' worse, if that makes sense. "
I think I understand what you mean. Firing a semi after a revolver takes a little change of technique as there's obvious differences in the way they recoil, suddent weight transfer to to the rear due to the slide flying back is probably the biggest factor. You also don't want spend cases dropping down your shirt! |
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"I don't see the need for people to have guns.
As regards hunting, I do mine down the butchers and it doesn't half make it a lot easier.
So you are quite happy for other people doing the killing and preparation. Just because you don't like doing something, doesn't mean that others don't enjoy and have pride in the ability to put meat on the table...
Some people would say there is no need for swinging, cross dressing, bdsm or any of the other activities that fab members enjoy... Doesn't mean they are right..."
Yes, some people would say the is no need for those things. Tina, however, had the right to exercise her choice in this matter and i don't believe that attacking that choice is any more right than attacking those who choose to exercise their right to enjoy hunting. Her post was not disrespectful or one used to attack, she simply.... In her own lighthearted Tina way, chose to state her stance on the issue. |
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"I will stick to my water pistol
I successfully hunted and caught my first hubby with a water gun in a keychain. Good memories
Haha you always make me giggle
In this instance, I'm actually serious. I decided i wanted him to ask me on a date, so i loaded my weapon and every time i passed him in the halls in high school, i pelted him between the eyes. Started Monday, on Friday he'd asked me out. I got pregnant about 2 months later and we got married. Successfully hunted and caught first husband.
How did you hunt husband number 2?
The same as husband number three, two partners, and two fuck buddies: SEX!
Bloody hell woman you trying to beat Elizabeth Taylor's record mo marriages lol "
I take after my mom, she's on hubby number 4. She finally settled down with him. So i gotta be careful with the next one. The lady who played Samantha in bewitched had 5 or 6 hubbies, i think. Ms. Taylor, though, was very well known in that she wouldn't sleep with any man she wasn't married to. High class lady, especially by Hollywood standards. |
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"I will stick to my water pistol
I successfully hunted and caught my first hubby with a water gun in a keychain. Good memories
Haha you always make me giggle
In this instance, I'm actually serious. I decided i wanted him to ask me on a date, so i loaded my weapon and every time i passed him in the halls in high school, i pelted him between the eyes. Started Monday, on Friday he'd asked me out. I got pregnant about 2 months later and we got married. Successfully hunted and caught first husband.
How did you hunt husband number 2?
The same as husband number three, two partners, and two fuck buddies: SEX!
Bloody hell woman you trying to beat Elizabeth Taylor's record mo marriages lol
I take after my mom, she's on hubby number 4. She finally settled down with him. So i gotta be careful with the next one. The lady who played Samantha in bewitched had 5 or 6 hubbies, i think. Ms. Taylor, though, was very well known in that she wouldn't sleep with any man she wasn't married to. High class lady, especially by Hollywood standards. "
I liked her style |
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"only gun ice used was a 22 rifle in Air Cadets aged 13..
i cried (like a wuss) after the first shot as i held a weapon in my hands and potentially could have killed someone with it, was just that over whelming sense of power i had in my hands.
I used SAT ranged too using the army standard issue weapon (L98 i think) that was fun as its only laser target practice
Generally against the idea of children shooting guns even though i did whilst at cadets.
I'd say your experience was more due to poor instructors than any overwhelming sense of power. Air rifles are heavily restricted on power (unless you have a full firearms certificate) and you'd have to be extremely unlucky to seriously hurt someone with one. That being said, if you didn't feel confident or comfortable with one then you did the right thing by not firing it again.
I agree. I was 12 and my first fire was a 357 revolver that the recoil from just about threw me on my ass. I loved it. The Smith & wesson 9mm, though, i wasn't fond of at all.
My daughter (15 at the time) fired a 500 Smith a couple of years ago while we were on holiday in Florida. She managed all 5 rounds but didn't think her wrists could take any more so we switched back to the 9mm Sig P226 which is a gun I'm extremely familiar with. My son (who was 11) stuck with the Ruger .22.
Yeah, this was my dad's so it was the one that held 13 rounds. I managed first pressure but just really didn't like the thing at all. The recoil on the revolver was stronger but the Smith just seemed to 'bite' worse, if that makes sense.
I think I understand what you mean. Firing a semi after a revolver takes a little change of technique as there's obvious differences in the way they recoil, suddent weight transfer to to the rear due to the slide flying back is probably the biggest factor. You also don't want spend cases dropping down your shirt!"
Lol! True. Hot little buggers, they are. But i think what another factor was for me was that if the trigger being so sensitive after that first fire. I was a little intimidated to squeeze again for fear id not be able to stop firing quick enough. My dad aptly demonstrated that when he took control of the weapon and had emptied the clip before I'd finished turning around to walk away. |
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"I will stick to my water pistol
I successfully hunted and caught my first hubby with a water gun in a keychain. Good memories
Haha you always make me giggle
In this instance, I'm actually serious. I decided i wanted him to ask me on a date, so i loaded my weapon and every time i passed him in the halls in high school, i pelted him between the eyes. Started Monday, on Friday he'd asked me out. I got pregnant about 2 months later and we got married. Successfully hunted and caught first husband.
How did you hunt husband number 2?
The same as husband number three, two partners, and two fuck buddies: SEX!
Bloody hell woman you trying to beat Elizabeth Taylor's record mo marriages lol
I take after my mom, she's on hubby number 4. She finally settled down with him. So i gotta be careful with the next one. The lady who played Samantha in bewitched had 5 or 6 hubbies, i think. Ms. Taylor, though, was very well known in that she wouldn't sleep with any man she wasn't married to. High class lady, especially by Hollywood standards.
I liked her style "
I think she and Audrey were where it was at, and still should be. To me, they dressed far sexier than some women today. The true sex kitten... It purrs, it never roars. That's just me, though. |
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"only gun ice used was a 22 rifle in Air Cadets aged 13..
i cried (like a wuss) after the first shot as i held a weapon in my hands and potentially could have killed someone with it, was just that over whelming sense of power i had in my hands.
I used SAT ranged too using the army standard issue weapon (L98 i think) that was fun as its only laser target practice
Generally against the idea of children shooting guns even though i did whilst at cadets.
I'd say your experience was more due to poor instructors than any overwhelming sense of power. Air rifles are heavily restricted on power (unless you have a full firearms certificate) and you'd have to be extremely unlucky to seriously hurt someone with one. That being said, if you didn't feel confident or comfortable with one then you did the right thing by not firing it again.
I agree. I was 12 and my first fire was a 357 revolver that the recoil from just about threw me on my ass. I loved it. The Smith & wesson 9mm, though, i wasn't fond of at all.
My daughter (15 at the time) fired a 500 Smith a couple of years ago while we were on holiday in Florida. She managed all 5 rounds but didn't think her wrists could take any more so we switched back to the 9mm Sig P226 which is a gun I'm extremely familiar with. My son (who was 11) stuck with the Ruger .22.
Yeah, this was my dad's so it was the one that held 13 rounds. I managed first pressure but just really didn't like the thing at all. The recoil on the revolver was stronger but the Smith just seemed to 'bite' worse, if that makes sense.
I think I understand what you mean. Firing a semi after a revolver takes a little change of technique as there's obvious differences in the way they recoil, suddent weight transfer to to the rear due to the slide flying back is probably the biggest factor. You also don't want spend cases dropping down your shirt!
Lol! True. Hot little buggers, they are. But i think what another factor was for me was that if the trigger being so sensitive after that first fire. I was a little intimidated to squeeze again for fear id not be able to stop firing quick enough. My dad aptly demonstrated that when he took control of the weapon and had emptied the clip before I'd finished turning around to walk away. "
When showing my kids how to fire the Sig I started them with a single round in the magazine, so they could feel the recoil and decide if they wished to continue. Once they'd said yes or no I then only put two rounds in until they had a feel for the trigger and exerscised good trigger practice. After about 30 mins they were emptying full 15-round mags down range and able to deal with stoppages with a degree of confidence and safety. |
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"only gun ice used was a 22 rifle in Air Cadets aged 13..
i cried (like a wuss) after the first shot as i held a weapon in my hands and potentially could have killed someone with it, was just that over whelming sense of power i had in my hands.
I used SAT ranged too using the army standard issue weapon (L98 i think) that was fun as its only laser target practice
Generally against the idea of children shooting guns even though i did whilst at cadets.
I'd say your experience was more due to poor instructors than any overwhelming sense of power. Air rifles are heavily restricted on power (unless you have a full firearms certificate) and you'd have to be extremely unlucky to seriously hurt someone with one. That being said, if you didn't feel confident or comfortable with one then you did the right thing by not firing it again.
I agree. I was 12 and my first fire was a 357 revolver that the recoil from just about threw me on my ass. I loved it. The Smith & wesson 9mm, though, i wasn't fond of at all.
My daughter (15 at the time) fired a 500 Smith a couple of years ago while we were on holiday in Florida. She managed all 5 rounds but didn't think her wrists could take any more so we switched back to the 9mm Sig P226 which is a gun I'm extremely familiar with. My son (who was 11) stuck with the Ruger .22.
Yeah, this was my dad's so it was the one that held 13 rounds. I managed first pressure but just really didn't like the thing at all. The recoil on the revolver was stronger but the Smith just seemed to 'bite' worse, if that makes sense.
I think I understand what you mean. Firing a semi after a revolver takes a little change of technique as there's obvious differences in the way they recoil, suddent weight transfer to to the rear due to the slide flying back is probably the biggest factor. You also don't want spend cases dropping down your shirt!
Lol! True. Hot little buggers, they are. But i think what another factor was for me was that if the trigger being so sensitive after that first fire. I was a little intimidated to squeeze again for fear id not be able to stop firing quick enough. My dad aptly demonstrated that when he took control of the weapon and had emptied the clip before I'd finished turning around to walk away.
When showing my kids how to fire the Sig I started them with a single round in the magazine, so they could feel the recoil and decide if they wished to continue. Once they'd said yes or no I then only put two rounds in until they had a feel for the trigger and exerscised good trigger practice. After about 30 mins they were emptying full 15-round mags down range and able to deal with stoppages with a degree of confidence and safety."
My dad was a little different, but that's possibly because he basically trained me the same aa he trained other officers, stance, grip, everything. He taught me that you can never tell if a gun is loaded by looking and always assume it's loaded fully. I didn't count the shots he fired while i was turning so it's possible he had loaded it with less. II've always assumed it was fully loaded because that's what he taught me to think. It's a good mindset you have about a weapon you haven't loaded yourself, from a safety standing standpoint. |
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"only gun ice used was a 22 rifle in Air Cadets aged 13..
i cried (like a wuss) after the first shot as i held a weapon in my hands and potentially could have killed someone with it, was just that over whelming sense of power i had in my hands.
I used SAT ranged too using the army standard issue weapon (L98 i think) that was fun as its only laser target practice
Generally against the idea of children shooting guns even though i did whilst at cadets.
I'd say your experience was more due to poor instructors than any overwhelming sense of power. Air rifles are heavily restricted on power (unless you have a full firearms certificate) and you'd have to be extremely unlucky to seriously hurt someone with one. That being said, if you didn't feel confident or comfortable with one then you did the right thing by not firing it again.
I agree. I was 12 and my first fire was a 357 revolver that the recoil from just about threw me on my ass. I loved it. The Smith & wesson 9mm, though, i wasn't fond of at all.
My daughter (15 at the time) fired a 500 Smith a couple of years ago while we were on holiday in Florida. She managed all 5 rounds but didn't think her wrists could take any more so we switched back to the 9mm Sig P226 which is a gun I'm extremely familiar with. My son (who was 11) stuck with the Ruger .22.
Yeah, this was my dad's so it was the one that held 13 rounds. I managed first pressure but just really didn't like the thing at all. The recoil on the revolver was stronger but the Smith just seemed to 'bite' worse, if that makes sense.
I think I understand what you mean. Firing a semi after a revolver takes a little change of technique as there's obvious differences in the way they recoil, suddent weight transfer to to the rear due to the slide flying back is probably the biggest factor. You also don't want spend cases dropping down your shirt!
Lol! True. Hot little buggers, they are. But i think what another factor was for me was that if the trigger being so sensitive after that first fire. I was a little intimidated to squeeze again for fear id not be able to stop firing quick enough. My dad aptly demonstrated that when he took control of the weapon and had emptied the clip before I'd finished turning around to walk away.
When showing my kids how to fire the Sig I started them with a single round in the magazine, so they could feel the recoil and decide if they wished to continue. Once they'd said yes or no I then only put two rounds in until they had a feel for the trigger and exerscised good trigger practice. After about 30 mins they were emptying full 15-round mags down range and able to deal with stoppages with a degree of confidence and safety.
My dad was a little different, but that's possibly because he basically trained me the same aa he trained other officers, stance, grip, everything. He taught me that you can never tell if a gun is loaded by looking and always assume it's loaded fully. I didn't count the shots he fired while i was turning so it's possible he had loaded it with less. II've always assumed it was fully loaded because that's what he taught me to think. It's a good mindset you have about a weapon you haven't loaded yourself, from a safety standing standpoint. "
He's quite correct. The first thing that anyone picking up any firearm should be able to do is to check that it's loaded/safe to handle.
Open the cylinder if its a revolver, release the mag and open the bolt if its a rifle, release the mag and pull the slide back if its a semi-auto pistol etc. A good stance is vital for control and consistent shots on target, it also reduces fatigue.
Sounds like your dad was an excellent instructor.... |
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By *xpresMan
over a year ago
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Take my boys shooting most weekends..
this hysteria by the media about guns is a joke they have fired shot guns and 9mm pistols they own air rifles each
Shooting instills a sense if discipline they only shoot supervised on ranges with adults not one cartridge, round or pellet has been shot without my supervision.. My boys & i love it.. So before morons get on high horses look at the facts about kids n guns not hyped up bullshit tv programs
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"only gun ice used was a 22 rifle in Air Cadets aged 13..
i cried (like a wuss) after the first shot as i held a weapon in my hands and potentially could have killed someone with it, was just that over whelming sense of power i had in my hands.
I used SAT ranged too using the army standard issue weapon (L98 i think) that was fun as its only laser target practice
Generally against the idea of children shooting guns even though i did whilst at cadets.
I'd say your experience was more due to poor instructors than any overwhelming sense of power. Air rifles are heavily restricted on power (unless you have a full firearms certificate) and you'd have to be extremely unlucky to seriously hurt someone with one. That being said, if you didn't feel confident or comfortable with one then you did the right thing by not firing it again.
I agree. I was 12 and my first fire was a 357 revolver that the recoil from just about threw me on my ass. I loved it. The Smith & wesson 9mm, though, i wasn't fond of at all.
My daughter (15 at the time) fired a 500 Smith a couple of years ago while we were on holiday in Florida. She managed all 5 rounds but didn't think her wrists could take any more so we switched back to the 9mm Sig P226 which is a gun I'm extremely familiar with. My son (who was 11) stuck with the Ruger .22.
Yeah, this was my dad's so it was the one that held 13 rounds. I managed first pressure but just really didn't like the thing at all. The recoil on the revolver was stronger but the Smith just seemed to 'bite' worse, if that makes sense.
I think I understand what you mean. Firing a semi after a revolver takes a little change of technique as there's obvious differences in the way they recoil, suddent weight transfer to to the rear due to the slide flying back is probably the biggest factor. You also don't want spend cases dropping down your shirt!
Lol! True. Hot little buggers, they are. But i think what another factor was for me was that if the trigger being so sensitive after that first fire. I was a little intimidated to squeeze again for fear id not be able to stop firing quick enough. My dad aptly demonstrated that when he took control of the weapon and had emptied the clip before I'd finished turning around to walk away.
When showing my kids how to fire the Sig I started them with a single round in the magazine, so they could feel the recoil and decide if they wished to continue. Once they'd said yes or no I then only put two rounds in until they had a feel for the trigger and exerscised good trigger practice. After about 30 mins they were emptying full 15-round mags down range and able to deal with stoppages with a degree of confidence and safety.
My dad was a little different, but that's possibly because he basically trained me the same aa he trained other officers, stance, grip, everything. He taught me that you can never tell if a gun is loaded by looking and always assume it's loaded fully. I didn't count the shots he fired while i was turning so it's possible he had loaded it with less. II've always assumed it was fully loaded because that's what he taught me to think. It's a good mindset you have about a weapon you haven't loaded yourself, from a safety standing standpoint.
He's quite correct. The first thing that anyone picking up any firearm should be able to do is to check that it's loaded/safe to handle.
Open the cylinder if its a revolver, release the mag and open the bolt if its a rifle, release the mag and pull the slide back if its a semi-auto pistol etc. A good stance is vital for control and consistent shots on target, it also reduces fatigue.
Sounds like your dad was an excellent instructor.... "
He was, as i said, on the swat team. He had had to work incidents where people didn't teach their children safety precautions and that effected him deeply. He did everything he could to avoid that ever happening to me, be educating me. |
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Personally I think that if they're taught from an early age how to use a gun and everything that comes with that, there's no problem.
Remember, this is America, not England. |
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"I don't see the need for people to have guns.
As regards hunting, I do mine down the butchers and it doesn't half make it a lot easier.
So you are quite happy for other people doing the killing and preparation. Just because you don't like doing something, doesn't mean that others don't enjoy and have pride in the ability to put meat on the table...
Some people would say there is no need for swinging, cross dressing, bdsm or any of the other activities that fab members enjoy... Doesn't mean they are right...
Yes, some people would say the is no need for those things. Tina, however, had the right to exercise her choice in this matter and i don't believe that attacking that choice is any more right than attacking those who choose to exercise their right to enjoy hunting. Her post was not disrespectful or one used to attack, she simply.... In her own lighthearted Tina way, chose to state her stance on the issue. "
I apologise. I didn't mean it as an attack or to offend on Tina in any way...
As someone who shoots and hunts I do feel strongly when people say I don't need to do it.
Rabbits, deer and pigeons cause in the region of £100 million a year to agriculture. From crop damage to animals having to be destroyed due to broken legs.
Imagine the cost without hunters...
If you eat meat I don't see how you can disagree with people who are prepared to hunt their own meat...
Once again to Tina and anyone else, no offence intended... |
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"It was the way the parents bought the guns as presents for Christmas or birthdays that got me and then expected the children to be excited.
Kids should be kids and not minature adults."
yeah its just crazy. |
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"It was the way the parents bought the guns as presents for Christmas or birthdays that got me and then expected the children to be excited.
Kids should be kids and not minature adults.
yeah its just crazy."
A lot of kids ask for bb or pellt guns or 22s for birthdays or Christmas. It's wrong to EXPECT excitement, but it's not an uncommon request from kids back home. |
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"What are your thoughts guys? as I no its American people being interviewed. but we have a four year old daughter and would never let her near a gun never mind shooting one. think it is totally wrong!!"
The bit at the end was amazing when the bereaved mum said please get safe guns for your kids. What the fuck?! There is surely no such thing as a safe gun!!! |
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"It was the way the parents bought the guns as presents for Christmas or birthdays that got me and then expected the children to be excited.
Kids should be kids and not minature adults.
yeah its just crazy.
A lot of kids ask for bb or pellt guns or 22s for birthdays or Christmas. It's wrong to EXPECT excitement, but it's not an uncommon request from kids back home. "
I don't agree with that either really. |
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"It was the way the parents bought the guns as presents for Christmas or birthdays that got me and then expected the children to be excited.
Kids should be kids and not minature adults.
yeah its just crazy.
A lot of kids ask for bb or pellt guns or 22s for birthdays or Christmas. It's wrong to EXPECT excitement, but it's not an uncommon request from kids back home.
I don't agree with that either really."
That's cool. My dad didn't either so my requests to be like my friends were met with a resounding NO from him. I never owned one until i was an adult, and as i explained above he was stringent about making me wait until he judged i would behave and take the lessons on board before allowing me to hold our fire one. There are other parents there who feel the same as dad did, or as you do. |
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"It was the way the parents bought the guns as presents for Christmas or birthdays that got me and then expected the children to be excited.
Kids should be kids and not minature adults."
kids don't need guns they ain't toys. and I agree it was very shocking |
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"What are your thoughts guys? as I no its American people being interviewed. but we have a four year old daughter and would never let her near a gun never mind shooting one. think it is totally wrong!!
The bit at the end was amazing when the bereaved mum said please get safe guns for your kids. What the fuck?! There is surely no such thing as a safe gun!!!"
Yes there is, in fact they're all safe until they're handled by idiots, people who lack respect for them, fear them or are poorly instructed. |
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"Not sure what the idea or Daily Mail thought behind such a tv show for UK viewers is ....
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It serves to further cement the fear people in this country have of guns. Just look at some of the ill informed comments thrown around here. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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"next weeks show KIDS WITH TANKS
A reality show dedicated to apprentice hot water storage engineers
trannys with handgrenades "
I've got a pair of pineapples and you've got the pins |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"It was the way the parents bought the guns as presents for Christmas or birthdays that got me and then expected the children to be excited.
Kids should be kids and not minature adults.
kids don't need guns they ain't toys. and I agree it was very shocking"
Kids don't "need" anything apart from a roof over their head and feeding. Yet many have such spurious items as x-boxes, say. I'd much rather any offsprings of mine had an upbringing similar to mine, with shotgun and being outdoors and sans x-box.... |
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By *xpresMan
over a year ago
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My eldest shot his first pistol when he was 9 first shotgun at 11 as a member if the army cadets so he was shooting SMGs Browning 9mms SA80s (the rifel) since he was 14 he owns 4 air rifles for competition shooting and vermin...his younger brothers both like shooting from shotgun skeet(clay pigion) to .22 target shooting we all shoot at a gun club in Halifax its safer than football..... |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"My eldest shot his first pistol when he was 9 first shotgun at 11 as a member if the army cadets so he was shooting SMGs Browning 9mms SA80s (the rifel) since he was 14 he owns 4 air rifles for competition shooting and vermin...his younger brothers both like shooting from shotgun skeet(clay pigion) to .22 target shooting we all shoot at a gun club in Halifax its safer than football....."
Is it?
I play rugby (have played both codes - seeing where you are from).....I'm pretty sure if something went wrong shooting, it'd be worse than a rugby injury.... |
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Kids with guns on Channel 4? Geez, they should go to Africa and film a full years programming.
Not much comment is ever made on African events, do people really not care? |
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By *xpresMan
over a year ago
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Played league for local team Union for my unit football for regiment..
in from Elland as it says.. Near Halifax
all thee of my kids have and or still play cricket football rugby union and league table tennis and Gymnastics... I have taken all three to AnE with concussion broken bones cuts n dislucations even table tennis my eldest broke his wrist playing for Yorkshire at south Leeds sport center... NOT ONE SINGLE INJURY shooting not even a blister... So if its done right with right supervision,tutoring,equipment and surroundings its safer than any sport.. Apart from snooker |
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"My eldest shot his first pistol when he was 9 first shotgun at 11 as a member if the army cadets so he was shooting SMGs Browning 9mms SA80s (the rifel) since he was 14 he owns 4 air rifles for competition shooting and vermin...his younger brothers both like shooting from shotgun skeet(clay pigion) to .22 target shooting we all shoot at a gun club in Halifax its safer than football.....
Is it?
I play rugby (have played both codes - seeing where you are from).....I'm pretty sure if something went wrong shooting, it'd be worse than a rugby injury...."
There's a lad near me and about 3 - 5 years ago when he was in his early 20s broke his neck playing rugby. I don't know how he is doing but at the time they said he was going to be a quadriplegic... So unfortunately for him and many others sports like football and rugby can cause life altering injuries... |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"My eldest shot his first pistol when he was 9 first shotgun at 11 as a member if the army cadets so he was shooting SMGs Browning 9mms SA80s (the rifel) since he was 14 he owns 4 air rifles for competition shooting and vermin...his younger brothers both like shooting from shotgun skeet(clay pigion) to .22 target shooting we all shoot at a gun club in Halifax its safer than football.....
Is it?
I play rugby (have played both codes - seeing where you are from).....I'm pretty sure if something went wrong shooting, it'd be worse than a rugby injury....
There's a lad near me and about 3 - 5 years ago when he was in his early 20s broke his neck playing rugby. I don't know how he is doing but at the time they said he was going to be a quadriplegic... So unfortunately for him and many others sports like football and rugby can cause life altering injuries..."
Whilst I don't doubt that the frequency of mishap is greater in football, rugby etc, the magnitude of shooting accidents is, by the very nature of guns going to be more severe.
The only item I am more wary of round my place is my chainsaw.... |
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"My eldest shot his first pistol when he was 9 first shotgun at 11 as a member if the army cadets so he was shooting SMGs Browning 9mms SA80s (the rifel) since he was 14 he owns 4 air rifles for competition shooting and vermin...his younger brothers both like shooting from shotgun skeet(clay pigion) to .22 target shooting we all shoot at a gun club in Halifax its safer than football.....
Is it?
I play rugby (have played both codes - seeing where you are from).....I'm pretty sure if something went wrong shooting, it'd be worse than a rugby injury....
There's a lad near me and about 3 - 5 years ago when he was in his early 20s broke his neck playing rugby. I don't know how he is doing but at the time they said he was going to be a quadriplegic... So unfortunately for him and many others sports like football and rugby can cause life altering injuries..."
It's not really a fair comparison. Sports like rugby and football are mainstream and incredibly popular whereas shooting is very much a niche passtime and heavily restricted.
Let's not forget that accidents while shooting are frequently life ending opposed to life altering. This is why excellent tuition is vital, not just pointing the gun in the right direction but maintaining the equipment. I know a few people who never inspect their brass after the first shot fired, it's something I was always told to do as you can tell a lot about the state of your gun and the quality of the ammunition you're using, especially if, like me, you hand load. |
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"My eldest shot his first pistol when he was 9 first shotgun at 11 as a member if the army cadets so he was shooting SMGs Browning 9mms SA80s (the rifel) since he was 14 he owns 4 air rifles for competition shooting and vermin...his younger brothers both like shooting from shotgun skeet(clay pigion) to .22 target shooting we all shoot at a gun club in Halifax its safer than football.....
Is it?
I play rugby (have played both codes - seeing where you are from).....I'm pretty sure if something went wrong shooting, it'd be worse than a rugby injury....
There's a lad near me and about 3 - 5 years ago when he was in his early 20s broke his neck playing rugby. I don't know how he is doing but at the time they said he was going to be a quadriplegic... So unfortunately for him and many others sports like football and rugby can cause life altering injuries...
It's not really a fair comparison. Sports like rugby and football are mainstream and incredibly popular whereas shooting is very much a niche passtime and heavily restricted.
Let's not forget that accidents while shooting are frequently life ending opposed to life altering. This is why excellent tuition is vital, not just pointing the gun in the right direction but maintaining the equipment. I know a few people who never inspect their brass after the first shot fired, it's something I was always told to do as you can tell a lot about the state of your gun and the quality of the ammunition you're using, especially if, like me, you hand load."
.. So your evidence for the above quote"frequently life ending".. Is from what? When shooting and on a range or on a grouce or vermin shoot the rules and laws are steadfast. Anybody seen to be in the smallest way not following the rules/laws then that person is disarmed (not in a forceful way but politly and respectfuly)immediately and ejected from the live area accidents do happen but hardly ever end in loss of life or even injury...
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"My eldest shot his first pistol when he was 9 first shotgun at 11 as a member if the army cadets so he was shooting SMGs Browning 9mms SA80s (the rifel) since he was 14 he owns 4 air rifles for competition shooting and vermin...his younger brothers both like shooting from shotgun skeet(clay pigion) to .22 target shooting we all shoot at a gun club in Halifax its safer than football.....
Is it?
I play rugby (have played both codes - seeing where you are from).....I'm pretty sure if something went wrong shooting, it'd be worse than a rugby injury....
There's a lad near me and about 3 - 5 years ago when he was in his early 20s broke his neck playing rugby. I don't know how he is doing but at the time they said he was going to be a quadriplegic... So unfortunately for him and many others sports like football and rugby can cause life altering injuries...
It's not really a fair comparison. Sports like rugby and football are mainstream and incredibly popular whereas shooting is very much a niche passtime and heavily restricted.
Let's not forget that accidents while shooting are frequently life ending opposed to life altering. This is why excellent tuition is vital, not just pointing the gun in the right direction but maintaining the equipment. I know a few people who never inspect their brass after the first shot fired, it's something I was always told to do as you can tell a lot about the state of your gun and the quality of the ammunition you're using, especially if, like me, you hand load.
.. So your evidence for the above quote"frequently life ending".. Is from what? When shooting and on a range or on a grouce or vermin shoot the rules and laws are steadfast. Anybody seen to be in the smallest way not following the rules/laws then that person is disarmed (not in a forceful way but politly and respectfuly)immediately and ejected from the live area accidents do happen but hardly ever end in loss of life or even injury...
Thank you "
I wasn't referring to organised ranges. Accidents at ranges are incredibly rare. It's at home or out on the land where they tend to happen. Usually down to poor maintenance, lack of experience/technical knowledge or bad practice. Thankfully these events are also very rare but when they do it's often catastrophic. |
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I tried to post a reply with a few links from the web but with no success. Search for "Bureau of Justice Statistics gun homicides down" in a search engine.
U.S gun homicides are sharply down at the same time that handgun ownership and concealed carry licenses have increased.
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These are a few links that I have found regarding gun homicides in the U.S.:
www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/07/gun-crime-drops-but-americans-think-its-worse/2139421/
www.bjs.bov/index.cfm?iid=4616&ty=pbdetail
people.duke.edu/~gnsmith/articles/myths.htm
takimag.com/article/guns-and-race-steve-sailer/print#axzz39Jm18XxA |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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"Not sure what the idea or Daily Mail thought behind such a tv show for UK viewers is ....
It serves to further cement the fear people in this country have of guns. Just look at some of the ill informed comments thrown around here."
Fear of anything different. Some of the comments in this thread are incredulous. Next we will be saying all people from London talk in rhyhming slang and all Scousers are scallies.  |
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By *xpresMan
over a year ago
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"My eldest shot his first pistol when he was 9 first shotgun at 11 as a member if the army cadets so he was shooting SMGs Browning 9mms SA80s (the rifel) since he was 14 he owns 4 air rifles for competition shooting and vermin...his younger brothers both like shooting from shotgun skeet(clay pigion) to .22 target shooting we all shoot at a gun club in Halifax its safer than football.....
Is it?
I play rugby (have played both codes - seeing where you are from).....I'm pretty sure if something went wrong shooting, it'd be worse than a rugby injury....
There's a lad near me and about 3 - 5 years ago when he was in his early 20s broke his neck playing rugby. I don't know how he is doing but at the time they said he was going to be a quadriplegic... So unfortunately for him and many others sports like football and rugby can cause life altering injuries...
It's not really a fair comparison. Sports like rugby and football are mainstream and incredibly popular whereas shooting is very much a niche passtime and heavily restricted.
Let's not forget that accidents while shooting are frequently life ending opposed to life altering. This is why excellent tuition is vital, not just pointing the gun in the right direction but maintaining the equipment. I know a few people who never inspect their brass after the first shot fired, it's something I was always told to do as you can tell a lot about the state of your gun and the quality of the ammunition you're using, especially if, like me, you hand load.
.. So your evidence for the above quote"frequently life ending".. Is from what? When shooting and on a range or on a grouce or vermin shoot the rules and laws are steadfast. Anybody seen to be in the smallest way not following the rules/laws then that person is disarmed (not in a forceful way but politly and respectfuly)immediately and ejected from the live area accidents do happen but hardly ever end in loss of life or even injury...
Thank you
I wasn't referring to organised ranges. Accidents at ranges are incredibly rare. It's at home or out on the land where they tend to happen. Usually down to poor maintenance, lack of experience/technical knowledge or bad practice. Thankfully these events are also very rare but when they do it's often catastrophic."
unfortunately you cant be locked up for being stupid most injuries or worse are by fucktards who, lets face it you wouldn't trust with a nerff gun nevermind a live firing rifle.. This country had a deep paranoia about guns fear drives hysteria. Guns are safe people are dangerous |
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"My eldest shot his first pistol when he was 9 first shotgun at 11 as a member if the army cadets so he was shooting SMGs Browning 9mms SA80s (the rifel) since he was 14 he owns 4 air rifles for competition shooting and vermin...his younger brothers both like shooting from shotgun skeet(clay pigion) to .22 target shooting we all shoot at a gun club in Halifax its safer than football.....
Is it?
I play rugby (have played both codes - seeing where you are from).....I'm pretty sure if something went wrong shooting, it'd be worse than a rugby injury....
There's a lad near me and about 3 - 5 years ago when he was in his early 20s broke his neck playing rugby. I don't know how he is doing but at the time they said he was going to be a quadriplegic... So unfortunately for him and many others sports like football and rugby can cause life altering injuries...
It's not really a fair comparison. Sports like rugby and football are mainstream and incredibly popular whereas shooting is very much a niche passtime and heavily restricted.
Let's not forget that accidents while shooting are frequently life ending opposed to life altering. This is why excellent tuition is vital, not just pointing the gun in the right direction but maintaining the equipment. I know a few people who never inspect their brass after the first shot fired, it's something I was always told to do as you can tell a lot about the state of your gun and the quality of the ammunition you're using, especially if, like me, you hand load.
.. So your evidence for the above quote"frequently life ending".. Is from what? When shooting and on a range or on a grouce or vermin shoot the rules and laws are steadfast. Anybody seen to be in the smallest way not following the rules/laws then that person is disarmed (not in a forceful way but politly and respectfuly)immediately and ejected from the live area accidents do happen but hardly ever end in loss of life or even injury...
Thank you
I wasn't referring to organised ranges. Accidents at ranges are incredibly rare. It's at home or out on the land where they tend to happen. Usually down to poor maintenance, lack of experience/technical knowledge or bad practice. Thankfully these events are also very rare but when they do it's often catastrophic.
unfortunately you cant be locked up for being stupid most injuries or worse are by fucktards who, lets face it you wouldn't trust with a nerff gun nevermind a live firing rifle.. This country had a deep paranoia about guns fear drives hysteria. Guns are safe people are dangerous "
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"My eldest shot his first pistol when he was 9 first shotgun at 11 as a member if the army cadets so he was shooting SMGs Browning 9mms SA80s (the rifel) since he was 14 he owns 4 air rifles for competition shooting and vermin...his younger brothers both like shooting from shotgun skeet(clay pigion) to .22 target shooting we all shoot at a gun club in Halifax its safer than football.....
Is it?
I play rugby (have played both codes - seeing where you are from).....I'm pretty sure if something went wrong shooting, it'd be worse than a rugby injury....
There's a lad near me and about 3 - 5 years ago when he was in his early 20s broke his neck playing rugby. I don't know how he is doing but at the time they said he was going to be a quadriplegic... So unfortunately for him and many others sports like football and rugby can cause life altering injuries...
It's not really a fair comparison. Sports like rugby and football are mainstream and incredibly popular whereas shooting is very much a niche passtime and heavily restricted.
Let's not forget that accidents while shooting are frequently life ending opposed to life altering. This is why excellent tuition is vital, not just pointing the gun in the right direction but maintaining the equipment. I know a few people who never inspect their brass after the first shot fired, it's something I was always told to do as you can tell a lot about the state of your gun and the quality of the ammunition you're using, especially if, like me, you hand load.
.. So your evidence for the above quote"frequently life ending".. Is from what? When shooting and on a range or on a grouce or vermin shoot the rules and laws are steadfast. Anybody seen to be in the smallest way not following the rules/laws then that person is disarmed (not in a forceful way but politly and respectfuly)immediately and ejected from the live area accidents do happen but hardly ever end in loss of life or even injury...
Thank you
I wasn't referring to organised ranges. Accidents at ranges are incredibly rare. It's at home or out on the land where they tend to happen. Usually down to poor maintenance, lack of experience/technical knowledge or bad practice. Thankfully these events are also very rare but when they do it's often catastrophic.
unfortunately you cant be locked up for being stupid most injuries or worse are by fucktards who, lets face it you wouldn't trust with a nerff gun nevermind a live firing rifle.. This country had a deep paranoia about guns fear drives hysteria. Guns are safe people are dangerous
I couldn't agree more mate....."
I'll second that. Frankly, the majority of gun owners in the uk or the u.s. are responsible ones. '2.5 million gun owners had no accidents today' isn't quite as catchy a headline as 'irresponsible/selfish asshat takes life today'
Or
'357 women avoided rape, 47 women stopped domestic abuse, 78 avoided mugging, and 43 avoided kidnap today because of access to a firearm'
*yeah, i pulled the numbers out of thin air to illustrate a point. They aren't statistics, though there would be stats available if you want to research then badly enough. |
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"My eldest shot his first pistol when he was 9 first shotgun at 11 as a member if the army cadets so he was shooting SMGs Browning 9mms SA80s (the rifel) since he was 14 he owns 4 air rifles for competition shooting and vermin...his younger brothers both like shooting from shotgun skeet(clay pigion) to .22 target shooting we all shoot at a gun club in Halifax its safer than football.....
Is it?
I play rugby (have played both codes - seeing where you are from).....I'm pretty sure if something went wrong shooting, it'd be worse than a rugby injury....
There's a lad near me and about 3 - 5 years ago when he was in his early 20s broke his neck playing rugby. I don't know how he is doing but at the time they said he was going to be a quadriplegic... So unfortunately for him and many others sports like football and rugby can cause life altering injuries...
It's not really a fair comparison. Sports like rugby and football are mainstream and incredibly popular whereas shooting is very much a niche passtime and heavily restricted.
Let's not forget that accidents while shooting are frequently life ending opposed to life altering. This is why excellent tuition is vital, not just pointing the gun in the right direction but maintaining the equipment. I know a few people who never inspect their brass after the first shot fired, it's something I was always told to do as you can tell a lot about the state of your gun and the quality of the ammunition you're using, especially if, like me, you hand load.
.. So your evidence for the above quote"frequently life ending".. Is from what? When shooting and on a range or on a grouce or vermin shoot the rules and laws are steadfast. Anybody seen to be in the smallest way not following the rules/laws then that person is disarmed (not in a forceful way but politly and respectfuly)immediately and ejected from the live area accidents do happen but hardly ever end in loss of life or even injury...
Thank you
I wasn't referring to organised ranges. Accidents at ranges are incredibly rare. It's at home or out on the land where they tend to happen. Usually down to poor maintenance, lack of experience/technical knowledge or bad practice. Thankfully these events are also very rare but when they do it's often catastrophic.
unfortunately you cant be locked up for being stupid most injuries or worse are by fucktards who, lets face it you wouldn't trust with a nerff gun nevermind a live firing rifle.. This country had a deep paranoia about guns fear drives hysteria. Guns are safe people are dangerous
I couldn't agree more mate.....
I'll second that. Frankly, the majority of gun owners in the uk or the u.s. are responsible ones. '2.5 million gun owners had no accidents today' isn't quite as catchy a headline as 'irresponsible/selfish asshat takes life today'
Or
'357 women avoided rape, 47 women stopped domestic abuse, 78 avoided mugging, and 43 avoided kidnap today because of access to a firearm'
*yeah, i pulled the numbers out of thin air to illustrate a point. They aren't statistics, though there would be stats available if you want to research then badly enough. "
Sadly you're probably not far off the correct figures. |
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"My eldest shot his first pistol when he was 9 first shotgun at 11 as a member if the army cadets so he was shooting SMGs Browning 9mms SA80s (the rifel) since he was 14 he owns 4 air rifles for competition shooting and vermin...his younger brothers both like shooting from shotgun skeet(clay pigion) to .22 target shooting we all shoot at a gun club in Halifax its safer than football.....
Is it?
I play rugby (have played both codes - seeing where you are from).....I'm pretty sure if something went wrong shooting, it'd be worse than a rugby injury....
There's a lad near me and about 3 - 5 years ago when he was in his early 20s broke his neck playing rugby. I don't know how he is doing but at the time they said he was going to be a quadriplegic... So unfortunately for him and many others sports like football and rugby can cause life altering injuries...
It's not really a fair comparison. Sports like rugby and football are mainstream and incredibly popular whereas shooting is very much a niche passtime and heavily restricted.
Let's not forget that accidents while shooting are frequently life ending opposed to life altering. This is why excellent tuition is vital, not just pointing the gun in the right direction but maintaining the equipment. I know a few people who never inspect their brass after the first shot fired, it's something I was always told to do as you can tell a lot about the state of your gun and the quality of the ammunition you're using, especially if, like me, you hand load.
.. So your evidence for the above quote"frequently life ending".. Is from what? When shooting and on a range or on a grouce or vermin shoot the rules and laws are steadfast. Anybody seen to be in the smallest way not following the rules/laws then that person is disarmed (not in a forceful way but politly and respectfuly)immediately and ejected from the live area accidents do happen but hardly ever end in loss of life or even injury...
Thank you
I wasn't referring to organised ranges. Accidents at ranges are incredibly rare. It's at home or out on the land where they tend to happen. Usually down to poor maintenance, lack of experience/technical knowledge or bad practice. Thankfully these events are also very rare but when they do it's often catastrophic.
unfortunately you cant be locked up for being stupid most injuries or worse are by fucktards who, lets face it you wouldn't trust with a nerff gun nevermind a live firing rifle.. This country had a deep paranoia about guns fear drives hysteria. Guns are safe people are dangerous
I couldn't agree more mate.....
I'll second that. Frankly, the majority of gun owners in the uk or the u.s. are responsible ones. '2.5 million gun owners had no accidents today' isn't quite as catchy a headline as 'irresponsible/selfish asshat takes life today'
Or
'357 women avoided rape, 47 women stopped domestic abuse, 78 avoided mugging, and 43 avoided kidnap today because of access to a firearm'
*yeah, i pulled the numbers out of thin air to illustrate a point. They aren't statistics, though there would be stats available if you want to research then badly enough. "
well everyone who wanted a rifle is Michael Ryan.. Oh wait a minute no im not nor are 99.9999% are responsible adults who bring up our kids in a level headed environment. |
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over a year ago
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"I saw the trailer and also wanted to watch it.
I'm the Mr writing this and have kids and exp in firearms.
I couldn't continue to stomach to watch this child abuse any more after 20 mins or so...
The child doesn't shoot for me, it's for herself.
My child will hunt and shoot if she likes it or not.
Aged 4.
This is why America and Americans are fucked up and have the worst gun crime rates and murders going.
A developed nation, yes, civilised? No way....
Utterly disgusting.
Just my tuppence worth x"
Absolutely correct, the mentality if the average American is utterly shocking, and goes a long way to explain the many " friendly fire" incidents over the years, |
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"My eldest shot his first pistol when he was 9 first shotgun at 11 as a member if the army cadets so he was shooting SMGs Browning 9mms SA80s (the rifel) since he was 14 he owns 4 air rifles for competition shooting and vermin...his younger brothers both like shooting from shotgun skeet(clay pigion) to .22 target shooting we all shoot at a gun club in Halifax its safer than football.....
Is it?
I play rugby (have played both codes - seeing where you are from).....I'm pretty sure if something went wrong shooting, it'd be worse than a rugby injury....
There's a lad near me and about 3 - 5 years ago when he was in his early 20s broke his neck playing rugby. I don't know how he is doing but at the time they said he was going to be a quadriplegic... So unfortunately for him and many others sports like football and rugby can cause life altering injuries...
It's not really a fair comparison. Sports like rugby and football are mainstream and incredibly popular whereas shooting is very much a niche passtime and heavily restricted.
Let's not forget that accidents while shooting are frequently life ending opposed to life altering. This is why excellent tuition is vital, not just pointing the gun in the right direction but maintaining the equipment. I know a few people who never inspect their brass after the first shot fired, it's something I was always told to do as you can tell a lot about the state of your gun and the quality of the ammunition you're using, especially if, like me, you hand load.
.. So your evidence for the above quote"frequently life ending".. Is from what? When shooting and on a range or on a grouce or vermin shoot the rules and laws are steadfast. Anybody seen to be in the smallest way not following the rules/laws then that person is disarmed (not in a forceful way but politly and respectfuly)immediately and ejected from the live area accidents do happen but hardly ever end in loss of life or even injury...
Thank you
I wasn't referring to organised ranges. Accidents at ranges are incredibly rare. It's at home or out on the land where they tend to happen. Usually down to poor maintenance, lack of experience/technical knowledge or bad practice. Thankfully these events are also very rare but when they do it's often catastrophic.
unfortunately you cant be locked up for being stupid most injuries or worse are by fucktards who, lets face it you wouldn't trust with a nerff gun nevermind a live firing rifle.. This country had a deep paranoia about guns fear drives hysteria. Guns are safe people are dangerous
I couldn't agree more mate.....
I'll second that. Frankly, the majority of gun owners in the uk or the u.s. are responsible ones. '2.5 million gun owners had no accidents today' isn't quite as catchy a headline as 'irresponsible/selfish asshat takes life today'
Or
'357 women avoided rape, 47 women stopped domestic abuse, 78 avoided mugging, and 43 avoided kidnap today because of access to a firearm'
*yeah, i pulled the numbers out of thin air to illustrate a point. They aren't statistics, though there would be stats available if you want to research then badly enough.
Sadly you're probably not far off the correct figures."
If we were talking u.s. stats, my numbers would be drastically low.
I did read a survey from the uk not long ago, in response to a similar debate on a friends fb, that polled men over the age of 18 and concluded that 1 in 6 men in the uk know how to procure a firearm if they chose to. Now, that's the ones that admitted it. I found that a very interesting thing, for a country where many residents believe firearms aren't common, are strictly strictly controlled, or are illegal. *yes, I've heard british citizens argue that all guns are illegal here. |
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"I saw the trailer and also wanted to watch it.
I'm the Mr writing this and have kids and exp in firearms.
I couldn't continue to stomach to watch this child abuse any more after 20 mins or so...
The child doesn't shoot for me, it's for herself.
My child will hunt and shoot if she likes it or not.
Aged 4.
This is why America and Americans are fucked up and have the worst gun crime rates and murders going.
A developed nation, yes, civilised? No way....
Utterly disgusting.
Just my tuppence worth x
Absolutely correct, the mentality if the average American is utterly shocking, and goes a long way to explain the many " friendly fire" incidents over the years, "
I'd say it's the minority or Americans rather than the majority most are level headed civilised human beings |
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"I saw the trailer and also wanted to watch it.
I'm the Mr writing this and have kids and exp in firearms.
I couldn't continue to stomach to watch this child abuse any more after 20 mins or so...
The child doesn't shoot for me, it's for herself.
My child will hunt and shoot if she likes it or not.
Aged 4.
This is why America and Americans are fucked up and have the worst gun crime rates and murders going.
A developed nation, yes, civilised? No way....
Utterly disgusting.
Just my tuppence worth x
Absolutely correct, the mentality if the average American is utterly shocking, and goes a long way to explain the many " friendly fire" incidents over the years,
I'd say it's the minority or Americans rather than the majority most are level headed civilised human beings "
I'll second that one, too, though i doubt you'll be surprised at that. Lol. |
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"I saw the trailer and also wanted to watch it.
I'm the Mr writing this and have kids and exp in firearms.
I couldn't continue to stomach to watch this child abuse any more after 20 mins or so...
The child doesn't shoot for me, it's for herself.
My child will hunt and shoot if she likes it or not.
Aged 4.
This is why America and Americans are fucked up and have the worst gun crime rates and murders going.
A developed nation, yes, civilised? No way....
Utterly disgusting.
Just my tuppence worth x
Absolutely correct, the mentality if the average American is utterly shocking, and goes a long way to explain the many " friendly fire" incidents over the years,
I'd say it's the minority or Americans rather than the majority most are level headed civilised human beings
I'll second that one, too, though i doubt you'll be surprised at that. Lol. "
There are of course some but they tend to be from the small towns where there is a population of 5 lol... And they are still in the Wild West era however the majority of Americans I have met and I've met quite a few have been civilised normal human beings |
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"I saw the trailer and also wanted to watch it.
I'm the Mr writing this and have kids and exp in firearms.
I couldn't continue to stomach to watch this child abuse any more after 20 mins or so...
The child doesn't shoot for me, it's for herself.
My child will hunt and shoot if she likes it or not.
Aged 4.
This is why America and Americans are fucked up and have the worst gun crime rates and murders going.
A developed nation, yes, civilised? No way....
Utterly disgusting.
Just my tuppence worth x
Absolutely correct, the mentality if the average American is utterly shocking, and goes a long way to explain the many " friendly fire" incidents over the years,
I'd say it's the minority or Americans rather than the majority most are level headed civilised human beings
I'll second that one, too, though i doubt you'll be surprised at that. Lol.
There are of course some but they tend to be from the small towns where there is a population of 5 lol... And they are still in the Wild West era however the majority of Americans I have met and I've met quite a few have been civilised normal human beings "
Oddly enough, the majority that I've met have been civilised normal human beings, as well.  |
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"I saw the trailer and also wanted to watch it.
I'm the Mr writing this and have kids and exp in firearms.
I couldn't continue to stomach to watch this child abuse any more after 20 mins or so...
The child doesn't shoot for me, it's for herself.
My child will hunt and shoot if she likes it or not.
Aged 4.
This is why America and Americans are fucked up and have the worst gun crime rates and murders going.
A developed nation, yes, civilised? No way....
Utterly disgusting.
Just my tuppence worth x
Absolutely correct, the mentality if the average American is utterly shocking, and goes a long way to explain the many " friendly fire" incidents over the years,
I'd say it's the minority or Americans rather than the majority most are level headed civilised human beings
I'll second that one, too, though i doubt you'll be surprised at that. Lol.
There are of course some but they tend to be from the small towns where there is a population of 5 lol... And they are still in the Wild West era however the majority of Americans I have met and I've met quite a few have been civilised normal human beings
Oddly enough, the majority that I've met have been civilised normal human beings, as well. "
Lol I can imagine you have met a few also |
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"I saw the trailer and also wanted to watch it.
I'm the Mr writing this and have kids and exp in firearms.
I couldn't continue to stomach to watch this child abuse any more after 20 mins or so...
The child doesn't shoot for me, it's for herself.
My child will hunt and shoot if she likes it or not.
Aged 4.
This is why America and Americans are fucked up and have the worst gun crime rates and murders going.
A developed nation, yes, civilised? No way....
Utterly disgusting.
Just my tuppence worth x
Absolutely correct, the mentality if the average American is utterly shocking, and goes a long way to explain the many " friendly fire" incidents over the years,
I'd say it's the minority or Americans rather than the majority most are level headed civilised human beings
I'll second that one, too, though i doubt you'll be surprised at that. Lol.
There are of course some but they tend to be from the small towns where there is a population of 5 lol... And they are still in the Wild West era however the majority of Americans I have met and I've met quite a few have been civilised normal human beings
Oddly enough, the majority that I've met have been civilised normal human beings, as well.
Lol I can imagine you have met a few also "
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"I saw the trailer and also wanted to watch it.
I'm the Mr writing this and have kids and exp in firearms.
I couldn't continue to stomach to watch this child abuse any more after 20 mins or so...
The child doesn't shoot for me, it's for herself.
My child will hunt and shoot if she likes it or not.
Aged 4.
This is why America and Americans are fucked up and have the worst gun crime rates and murders going.
A developed nation, yes, civilised? No way....
Utterly disgusting.
Just my tuppence worth x
Absolutely correct, the mentality if the average American is utterly shocking, and goes a long way to explain the many " friendly fire" incidents over the years,
I'd say it's the minority or Americans rather than the majority most are level headed civilised human beings
I'll second that one, too, though i doubt you'll be surprised at that. Lol. "
And I'll third it..
I hold a concealed carry permit for several states in the US and each time I sat the course and took the exam the attitude of everyone there was exemplary. People's opinions over here are based on the tiny minority of incidents and an overly left wing view portrayed by our media. |
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