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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Just been watching the news and apparently the new head of NHS has requested all obese doctors and nurses to slim down to set good example to patients at this time of what they call an obesity crisis
not sure how i feel about this, on one hand i don't feel anyone has the right to tell you to diet but on the other if i was going to the doctors and being told i was over weight and recommend to diet by someone who was over weight themselves id think...bloody check
if i went to a smoking clinic i wouldn't expect the staff to nip out for a fag, or the guy who run the AA meeting to be sat there with a pint of larger, so at a time when the NHS is saying the cost of obesity is at breaking point is it reasonable for them to ask over weight staff to slim to set an example to patients? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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funny I was saying to my hubby there seems to be a lot more fat nurses than there used to be and a few doctors.
doesn't seem fair them telling us to lose weight when they don't bother to.
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Up to them nothing should be forced onto them to lose weight...I couldn't care less if a fat doctor told me I had to lose weight as they are giving medical advice it's up to me if I want to lose weight or not  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I actually think its a total piss take for obese Drs and nurses to promote health and well being
If approached sensibly and with the same support that patients are given then I don't think its a bad thing
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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While I don't agree that it should be forced upon them to loose weight I also feel that leading by example is possibly the best way forward. It's often difficult for doctors to empathise with patients unless they've been through similar experiences, if that is the case then their advice will carry more credibility and therefore have more success. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Up to them nothing should be forced onto them to lose weight...I couldn't care less if a fat doctor told me I had to lose weight as they are giving medical advice it's up to me if I want to lose weight or not "
 They are just giving advice as per guidelines...its not their personal advice. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Up to them nothing should be forced onto them to lose weight...I couldn't care less if a fat doctor told me I had to lose weight as they are giving medical advice it's up to me if I want to lose weight or not
They are just giving advice as per guidelines...its not their personal advice."
Next thing is that they should be able to operate on themselves and not have to seek medical attention. Fine coming from politicians - they shouldn't lie but that's never stopped them.
I guess it will be another decade when we will actually look back fondly on the medical profession (which is in the process of being discredited by politicians) and the NHS when it only exists in name and health care provision in the UK is privatised. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Up to them nothing should be forced onto them to lose weight...I couldn't care less if a fat doctor told me I had to lose weight as they are giving medical advice it's up to me if I want to lose weight or not "
Touché |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's disgusting most nursing staff are obese because of lack of staffing we don't get lunch breaks - we get given choc from patients that's our fuel for the day. After being at work 14 hours we eat crap whatever can be thrown together quickly or picked up on the way home. Reduce our working day and make sure we have breaks with access to healthy food and we would lose weight
Just saying! |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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Part of the reason "the cost of obesity" is at an all-time high is that they're approaching it, mostly, in the wrong way.
At the moment you need to be dangerously obese before any serious help becomes available, and that's often surgical, and comes with serious risks and is outrageously expensive.
For those wanting to lose weight, gym programmes and swimming can now be prescribed by doctors, but these programmes are often very poorly run and don't offer enough support or education.
And virtually no help with psychological issues is available. This, to me, makes no sense at all.
Treat the causes, not the symptom and remember that it's entirely possible that each individual will need a different treatment regime to anyone else. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"I kinda agree and doctors should be fit and set an example for their clients as they give out advice so should be in tip top shape  "
I'd rather my doctors spend their time learning about medicine than busting blood vessels in the gym, tbh.
An experienced doctor, up-to-date with new medical knowledge is going to be more use to me than a fit doctor. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's disgusting most nursing staff are obese because of lack of staffing we don't get lunch breaks - we get given choc from patients that's our fuel for the day. After being at work 14 hours we eat crap whatever can be thrown together quickly or picked up on the way home. Reduce our working day and make sure we have breaks with access to healthy food and we would lose weight
Just saying!"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Treat the causes, not the symptom and remember that it's entirely possible that each individual will need a different treatment regime to anyone else."
So so true.. Fix the problem please... Shame politicians don't seem
To think like that.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Has anyone seen the food available in hospitals lately? Staff on long shifts,especially at night don't have many options. I doubt there is storage or time for them to prepare enough healthy food to cover these shifts. They probably get by on chocolate from vending machines |
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Whether my doctor is fat or slim has no bearing on my weight. Actually having a doctor that knows what it's like to struggle with weight control could help some people talk about it.
Also telling educated adults that they are fat and it's bad for their health is ridiculous, I reckon they know already, they aren't going to be suddenly enlightened and exclaim "oh my goodness, I hadn't even noticed I am 5 stone overweight, I will lose it asap!" |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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I dunno why they don't ask us fatties what we need and then work with us to determine what works, in order to prevent people becoming morbidly obese in the first place, and giving those who are overweight at least half a realistic chance of shifting the weight.
It'd work out a fuck of a lot cheaper, I am certain, than treating rapidly increasing numbers of obesity related conditions and providing bariatric surgery across the board, but only after the issues are deeply ingrained. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"it is appropriate to ask, gives them more credibility when advising others.
and better for them"
True but weight issues aren't always straightforward. And it rarely works if someone tells you to do it x  |
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Anyone in a medical or health profession should be setting the standards for patients.
I would give this a nod of approval, as the OP stated, I wouldn't take advise from someone who can't take their own. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Having worked for the NHS for 20 years I'll give you the shortened version of how this will pan out. A lot of money will be wasted on upper-management meetings with HR to discuss how to best implement the orders from above. Several thousands of pounds per health authority later, pamphlets extolling the virtues of weight-loss will be left in the nurse's staff rooms and that's the last anyone will hear from it again. |
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Just to add, Gym, Swimming and Running or cycling is always fine, find someone to do it with and it makes it more enjoyable.
I hate doing these things on my own, and I take no joy or motivation with it, but having someone there with you, doing the same thing is always motivating. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Whether my doctor is fat or slim has no bearing on my weight. Actually having a doctor that knows what it's like to struggle with weight control could help some people talk about it.
Also telling educated adults that they are fat and it's bad for their health is ridiculous, I reckon they know already, they aren't going to be suddenly enlightened and exclaim "oh my goodness, I hadn't even noticed I am 5 stone overweight, I will lose it asap!""
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"It's disgusting most nursing staff are obese because of lack of staffing we don't get lunch breaks - we get given choc from patients that's our fuel for the day. After being at work 14 hours we eat crap whatever can be thrown together quickly or picked up on the way home. Reduce our working day and make sure we have breaks with access to healthy food and we would lose weight
Just saying!"
Well said.... and i've not had a single patient say "excuse me love but can you lose 6 stone before you take my blood"
Grrrrrrrr
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's disgusting most nursing staff are obese because of lack of staffing we don't get lunch breaks - we get given choc from patients that's our fuel for the day. After being at work 14 hours we eat crap whatever can be thrown together quickly or picked up on the way home. Reduce our working day and make sure we have breaks with access to healthy food and we would lose weight
Just saying!"
Dont forget about dehydration too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Having worked for the NHS for 20 years I'll give you the shortened version of how this will pan out. A lot of money will be wasted on upper-management meetings with HR to discuss how to best implement the orders from above. Several thousands of pounds per health authority later, pamphlets extolling the virtues of weight-loss will be left in the nurse's staff rooms and that's the last anyone will hear from it again."
we dont have a staff room or anywhere to keep food cool or heat up food. |
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I hope that the senior big wigs are going to lead by example and if they need to lose weight they will....no more lavish expenses lunches of rich food...I doubt they will so why expect every other fucker to... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think someone in the NHS has been taking the bible to heart!
Luke 4:23 - And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's disgusting most nursing staff are obese because of lack of staffing we don't get lunch breaks - we get given choc from patients that's our fuel for the day. After being at work 14 hours we eat crap whatever can be thrown together quickly or picked up on the way home. Reduce our working day and make sure we have breaks with access to healthy food and we would lose weight
Just saying!"
That's half the trouble too many people make excuses why they are overweight, easier to blame someone else than themselves. so how come some nurses are skinny then? |
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Staff work under immense pressure in the health service and piling more on so that they appear more perfect is not something to be done. Being overweight is a complex issue, often psychologically rooted and it may not be just about cutting back, nor may it be easy. I prefer to be served by someone who knows their stuff and cares and if they show their human side including weaknesses and quirks then I am perfectly happy. We own our bodies and lives and it is not our employers business, they do not own us. Fair play that staff may voluntarily get help and support, but it should be their choice alone. |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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"Having worked for the NHS for 20 years I'll give you the shortened version of how this will pan out. A lot of money will be wasted on upper-management meetings with HR to discuss how to best implement the orders from above. Several thousands of pounds per health authority later, pamphlets extolling the virtues of weight-loss will be left in the nurse's staff rooms and that's the last anyone will hear from it again."
One would think so, but occipational Health are following thr men in suits guidelines to the letter, a friend if mine has been told its not a choice, she has to lose weight. She is struggling with workload due to being vastly overweight though. Some trusts have been like this for the last couple of years so its nothing new.
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"Having worked for the NHS for 20 years I'll give you the shortened version of how this will pan out. A lot of money will be wasted on upper-management meetings with HR to discuss how to best implement the orders from above. Several thousands of pounds per health authority later, pamphlets extolling the virtues of weight-loss will be left in the nurse's staff rooms and that's the last anyone will hear from it again.One would think so, but occipational Health are following thr men in suits guidelines to the letter, a friend if mine has been told its not a choice, she has to lose weight. She is struggling with workload due to being vastly overweight though. Some trusts have been like this for the last couple of years so its nothing new."
That's across the board if your physical health is affecting your work then employers have to take action...however I hope it would be in a supportive, empathic approach |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Have we lost the way to police our own lives . Yes please tell us the obvious facts around unhealthy eating drinking smoking then let folk make own decisions
if a fat doctor told me to lose weight based upon medical facts then good on them
stop the nanny state, common sense is not dead, ...yet  |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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"Having worked for the NHS for 20 years I'll give you the shortened version of how this will pan out. A lot of money will be wasted on upper-management meetings with HR to discuss how to best implement the orders from above. Several thousands of pounds per health authority later, pamphlets extolling the virtues of weight-loss will be left in the nurse's staff rooms and that's the last anyone will hear from it again.One would think so, but occipational Health are following thr men in suits guidelines to the letter, a friend if mine has been told its not a choice, she has to lose weight. She is struggling with workload due to being vastly overweight though. Some trusts have been like this for the last couple of years so its nothing new.
That's across the board if your physical health is affecting your work then employers have to take action...however I hope it would be in a supportive, empathic approach "
To be fair its helped quite a few in the trust. |
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It's their expertise your accessing,m'not their lifestyle choices...I'd rather be treated by a fat health professional who knows what they are doing and who actually cares about patient care.....unfortunately, they are thin on the ground too |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Thin end of the wedge. Whats next? Stop smoking, drinking, extreme sports, otherwise your out of a job. Tell Nanny to fuck off and look after people who dont know any better. I dont care if my neurologist is 25st and chain smokes. At least he knows how to treat me. And i listen. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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can understand the 'practice what you preach' thing
but id rather have a fat GP with loads of experience. Just because they are over weight to me doesnt mean they cant be amazing at their job. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It's disgusting most nursing staff are obese because of lack of staffing we don't get lunch breaks - we get given choc from patients that's our fuel for the day. After being at work 14 hours we eat crap whatever can be thrown together quickly or picked up on the way home. Reduce our working day and make sure we have breaks with access to healthy food and we would lose weight
Just saying!
That's half the trouble too many people make excuses why they are overweight, easier to blame someone else than themselves. so how come some nurses are skinny then?"
and you can also say that about many jobs, its not just NHS staff that works long hours and eats on the go, your job has nothing to do with your weight in my opinion there are fat and thin in all professions some just choose to use their busy life as an excuse to not eat right some don't |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"I think, by the same reasoning, any MP who tells us to slim should not be overweight. "
And any MP who tells us how austerity measures are essential should be living the same way, not chucking a bottomless expense account around. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"It's disgusting most nursing staff are obese because of lack of staffing we don't get lunch breaks - we get given choc from patients that's our fuel for the day. After being at work 14 hours we eat crap whatever can be thrown together quickly or picked up on the way home. Reduce our working day and make sure we have breaks with access to healthy food and we would lose weight
Just saying!
That's half the trouble too many people make excuses why they are overweight, easier to blame someone else than themselves. so how come some nurses are skinny then?"
What an absolutely ridiculous thing to ask  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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you would think if they are working as hard as they say they are they wouldn't be overweight. unlike someone who is sitting down all day in an office.
surely wouldn't they be able to look after their patients better if they were less overweight as they would have more energy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think it's a piss take
All nhs staff are over worked and underpaid. It's only gonna get worse as this govt makes working conditions, pay, pensions worse
How about we stop paying out silly money onaircraft carriers, war planes etc and stop donating money to every country that asks for it and actually spend some real money on this country rather than peanuts |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think it's a piss take
All nhs staff are over worked and underpaid. It's only gonna get worse as this govt makes working conditions, pay, pensions worse
How about we stop paying out silly money onaircraft carriers, war planes etc and stop donating money to every country that asks for it and actually spend some real money on this country rather than peanuts"
So if they are underpaid or overworked why do they decide to become nurses in the first place? its their choice in the first place and I don't happen to agree with you I don't think they are underpaid and not all of them are overworked either as a lot of them stand around chattering when they should be looking after their patients. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"you would think if they are working as hard as they say they are they wouldn't be overweight. unlike someone who is sitting down all day in an office.
surely wouldn't they be able to look after their patients better if they were less overweight as they would have more energy."
How dare you!! I work bloody hard, I look after my patients well. I have the energy to do my job and my shifts. I do nursing and run a business on my day offs I work in excess if 60 hrs a week. Weight does not effect how people do there job I am more than fit enough to do it and as my employers and patients tell me I do it bloody well!!
The shifts do effect weight I can be on a day shift one day and nights the next. It's a proven fact that shifts affect weight. However there are other factors such as medical issues that also affect my weight (BUT don't affect my ability to do my job)
I assume you will be refusing a fat person to look after you if you ever need medical help as you have such low opinion on fatties doing there job properly!!
I actually like being big, it suits me it's sexy as hell as far as Paul is concerned.
I'm stepping away from this thread - I don't want to entertain troll that have nothing better to do. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"you would think if they are working as hard as they say they are they wouldn't be overweight. unlike someone who is sitting down all day in an office.
surely wouldn't they be able to look after their patients better if they were less overweight as they would have more energy.
How dare you!! I work bloody hard, I look after my patients well. I have the energy to do my job and my shifts. I do nursing and run a business on my day offs I work in excess if 60 hrs a week. Weight does not effect how people do there job I am more than fit enough to do it and as my employers and patients tell me I do it bloody well!!
The shifts do effect weight I can be on a day shift one day and nights the next. It's a proven fact that shifts affect weight. However there are other factors such as medical issues that also affect my weight (BUT don't affect my ability to do my job)
I assume you will be refusing a fat person to look after you if you ever need medical help as you have such low opinion on fatties doing there job properly!!
I actually like being big, it suits me it's sexy as hell as far as Paul is concerned.
I'm stepping away from this thread - I don't want to entertain troll that have nothing better to do."
should have ignored it like the rest of us, you've just made her day |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"you would think if they are working as hard as they say they are they wouldn't be overweight. unlike someone who is sitting down all day in an office.
surely wouldn't they be able to look after their patients better if they were less overweight as they would have more energy.
How dare you!! I work bloody hard, I look after my patients well. I have the energy to do my job and my shifts. I do nursing and run a business on my day offs I work in excess if 60 hrs a week. Weight does not effect how people do there job I am more than fit enough to do it and as my employers and patients tell me I do it bloody well!!
The shifts do effect weight I can be on a day shift one day and nights the next. It's a proven fact that shifts affect weight. However there are other factors such as medical issues that also affect my weight (BUT don't affect my ability to do my job)
I assume you will be refusing a fat person to look after you if you ever need medical help as you have such low opinion on fatties doing there job properly!!
I actually like being big, it suits me it's sexy as hell as far as Paul is concerned.
I'm stepping away from this thread - I don't want to entertain troll that have nothing better to do."
no I wouldn't refuse a fat nurse obviously, I have nothing against them some are very nice, just saying it would be easier for them to do their job if they were carrying less weight it stands to reason and im not sure about shifts affecting weight because lots of people work shifts and they aren't overweight.
just because you don't agree with what I have to say doesn't mean im a troll. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think it's a piss take
All nhs staff are over worked and underpaid. It's only gonna get worse as this govt makes working conditions, pay, pensions worse
How about we stop paying out silly money onaircraft carriers, war planes etc and stop donating money to every country that asks for it and actually spend some real money on this country rather than peanuts
So if they are underpaid or overworked why do they decide to become nurses in the first place? its their choice in the first place and I don't happen to agree with you I don't think they are underpaid and not all of them are overworked either as a lot of them stand around chattering when they should be looking after their patients."
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By (user no longer on site)
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The best advice and discussion I ever got regarding my weight was from a doctor who admitted herself, to me, that she too was clinically obese.
Someone with the medical knowledge, combined with empathy and first hand experience of what's like - psychologically, emotionally and physically - to be overweight and want to do something about it was fundamental in giving me the strength and presence of mind to take positive action.
Any doctor should be able to do this, but many just see overweight people as the enemy of the NHS and are predisposed to diagnose obesity as the root of all ailments as you walk through the door.
Its not about making people scapegoats or treating them like the enemy. Its about giving positive advice to those who want it - like those who want to give up smoking, alcohol or any other addictive substance.
Because its hard work, changing your life. Its effort every day - not just for six weeks, or 12 weeks or every Tuesday at Slimming World. Every. Single. Day. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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''so at a time when the NHS is saying the cost of obesity is at breaking point is it reasonable for them to ask over weight staff to slim to set an example to patients?''
only my two-penny-worth, but yes, it is.
not only are they setting an example- as you pointed out- but it is also fighting what could possible be a problem a few years later. just because you work for the NHS doesn't exclude you from diabetes etc.
no matter if you're a smoker, drinker or eater, if you need treatment for problems caused through these or any other lifestyle, and you refuse a doctors recommendations (i.e stop smoking) then the NHS should be able to refuse treatment.
saying that, if your a regular at the clap-clinic, who'd be happy to pack up rutting for a healthy life?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I can see the point being made and it also applies to other things. We tell our patients to go for screening tests and quit smoking when often we're the worst culprits for neglecting our health. I've often heard my colleagues asking a patient to stop smoking, only to be asked 'do you smoke doc?'. Quite often the answer is 'yes' which completely undermines the advice being given. Health professionals have to lead by example.
However simply telling people to slim down/get fit etc doesn't work if the underlying issues are not addressed and NHS employees will be no different. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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There is no quick fix on any issues around a life style or choice. You cant have a world of super humans that have no flaws ( sure hitler tried it but hey that's another topic )
i have to agree with the majority with an attitude of if my doctor was big and fat but gives me solid strong advice about my weight i would listen....whether or not i do anything with his advice is my choice based upon my desires or weaknesses. We are all old enough,daft enough to make our own life style choices |
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By *nigmatic1Woman
over a year ago
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"It's disgusting most nursing staff are obese because of lack of staffing we don't get lunch breaks - we get given choc from patients that's our fuel for the day. After being at work 14 hours we eat crap whatever can be thrown together quickly or picked up on the way home. Reduce our working day and make sure we have breaks with access to healthy food and we would lose weight
Just saying!"
Well said!!!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just been watching the news and apparently the new head of NHS has requested all obese doctors and nurses to slim down to set good example to patients at this time of what they call an obesity crisis
not sure how i feel about this, on one hand i don't feel anyone has the right to tell you to diet but on the other if i was going to the doctors and being told i was over weight and recommend to diet by someone who was over weight themselves id think...bloody check
if i went to a smoking clinic i wouldn't expect the staff to nip out for a fag, or the guy who run the AA meeting to be sat there with a pint of larger, so at a time when the NHS is saying the cost of obesity is at breaking point is it reasonable for them to ask over weight staff to slim to set an example to patients? "
I don't see the issue its a requirement in many other jobs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The NHS seem to have taken over from the Church in telling us how we should run our lives, according to them. Those saying that they wouldn't take advice on slimming from an over-weight clinician should ask themselves, would they not take advice on cancer care from a clinician who has cancer? It seems a bit self defeating. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"The NHS seem to have taken over from the Church in telling us how we should run our lives, according to them. Those saying that they wouldn't take advice on slimming from an over-weight clinician should ask themselves, would they not take advice on cancer care from a clinician who has cancer? It seems a bit self defeating."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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To be fair to doctors some of the hours and shifts they're required to run when people don't turn up or get sick or an emergency happens it can be a nightmare to keep a proper diet and sleeping schedule
Often they'll grab whatever food they can in the few minutes they get spare.
Saying oh its not right for a fat doctor to tell me i should loose weight is stupid because you know it's true.
It's just an excuse for you not to change.
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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"It's disgusting most nursing staff are obese because of lack of staffing we don't get lunch breaks - we get given choc from patients that's our fuel for the day. After being at work 14 hours we eat crap whatever can be thrown together quickly or picked up on the way home. Reduce our working day and make sure we have breaks with access to healthy food and we would lose weight
Just saying!"
really, is it just that.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The NHS seem to have taken over from the Church in telling us how we should run our lives, according to them. Those saying that they wouldn't take advice on slimming from an over-weight clinician should ask themselves, would they not take advice on cancer care from a clinician who has cancer? It seems a bit self defeating.
Not all cancers are the result of the behaviour of the sufferer."
You're quite right, actually very few are - but how would the patient know that? |
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"It's disgusting most nursing staff are obese because of lack of staffing we don't get lunch breaks - we get given choc from patients that's our fuel for the day. After being at work 14 hours we eat crap whatever can be thrown together quickly or picked up on the way home. Reduce our working day and make sure we have breaks with access to healthy food and we would lose weight
Just saying!
That's half the trouble too many people make excuses why they are overweight, easier to blame someone else than themselves. so how come some nurses are skinny then?
and you can also say that about many jobs, its not just NHS staff that works long hours and eats on the go, your job has nothing to do with your weight in my opinion there are fat and thin in all professions some just choose to use their busy life as an excuse to not eat right some don't "
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My point of _iew is this:-
I go to the gym regularly, and see a PT once a week. I chose him because a) he's friendly and approachable, and b) he's already got the physique that I want, so he knows what it takes to achieve my desires goal.
To this end, I feel like Doctors should practice what they preach.
I wouldn't take nutritional advice from someone obese, as I would question their knowledge.
Also, I don't believe that the whole 'BMI ones size fits all' chart is useful, as it's highly inaccurate and doesn't take muscle mass into account. Most bodybuilders would be classed as obese, even if they had stripped down to less then 10% body fat....
I guess on the flip side, I wouldn't want a doctor with mental issues dealing with mental patients, nor would I expect a surgeon to have a procedure on themselves before they cut into someone.... |
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