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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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A family bakery shop was asked to make a cake with a picture of Sesame Street's Bert and Ernie and the slogan 'Support gay marriage'. They politely refused the order as they felt it was against their religious beliefs. They have also previously refused orders with nudity or swear words.
The Equalities Commission is now threatening to prosecute them for 'discrimination' due to them turning down the 'Support gay marriage' cake order.
What do you think? Should they have to fulfill all customer orders no matter what, or have the right to say what orders they will and won't do? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think they're out of order. Just because homosexuality is a sin in their beliefs, it doesn't mean the people they serve or deal with should be treated any differently at all.
Maybe they shouldn't server adulters, or anyone for that matter that has ever sinned seeing it goes against the commandments |
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"A family bakery shop was asked to make a cake with a picture of Sesame Street's Bert and Ernie and the slogan 'Support gay marriage'. They politely refused the order as they felt it was against their religious beliefs. They have also previously refused orders with nudity or swear words.
The Equalities Commission is now threatening to prosecute them for 'discrimination' due to them turning down the 'Support gay marriage' cake order.
What do you think? Should they have to fulfill all customer orders no matter what, or have the right to say what orders they will and won't do?"
I feel the shop should have the right to decline the order..
I don't see how anyone can logically call it discrimination without appearing hypocritical .....  |
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They believe that they believe and has stuck to their morals I don't believe that they have discriminated as such as they have refused to do other cakes as mentioned..it's their choice and their business I just think they have to take into consideration the loss of business if any to refuse to make the cake... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Is this the N.Irish family cake making firm?
Ridiculous, it's not as though they're the only cake makers around.
Can't the gays just go somewhere else, surely many others would welcome their trade?
Then people wonder why there is a general malaise with the law making body, the Government.
ps does the law in N.Ireland actually allow such refusal. I think maybe it does. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Gotta luv this country..
Freedom if speech, freedom of _xpression and the right to your own beliefs."
Yep and we're about to play host to a Commonwealth gathering where homosexuality is still criminalised in 42 of the 53 member nations......  |
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"Gotta luv this country..
Freedom if speech, freedom of _xpression and the right to your own beliefs."
Freedom of speech just entitles you to an opinion.
If you _xpress your opinion publically you must do so be within the confines of certain laws. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Can't the gays just go somewhere else, surely many others would welcome their trade?
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They SHOULDNT have to go somewhere else.
If I had a shop, and started to refuse to server a certain race, or fat people I'm sure a lot would be said. But hey, why can't the people of colour or fatties just go somewhere else right?
I hate this subject I really do. My sister is a lesbian and I've seen the amount of shit she has had to put up with over the years. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Whilst I'd support their right to refuse to fulfill an order I find that in a business setting its a bit of an own goal. They are after all offering a service and not being asked to compromise their beliefs in my opinion. Once again its about appreciating other people's rights and differences. |
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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago
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I think they are completely right to refuse to compromise their beliefs...homosexuality is a sin to many religions and I respect that although I don't agree with it. I wouldn't ask a Jewish baker to decorate a cake for Bacon Buttie Week for example |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Q...... On what precipice of discriminatory logic does someone's sexuality give them primacy over someone-else's devout religious beliefs .......
A...... It doesn't ..... |
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We had a similar situation in the US - bakery refused to create a wedding cake for a gay couple. There was a big debate, fueled in part by an ongoing religious freedom debate about firms having to provide contraception coverage to employees. It is really murky. I really believe that if you are running a business, you should not be able to discriminate among customers. Today, someone refuses to serve a LGBT couple. Tomorrow, it could be someone who looks different or professes a different faith. Freedom of speech is important, but you get to exercise that in your private capacity, not as a business owner. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think they are completely right to refuse to compromise their beliefs...homosexuality is a sin to many religions and I respect that although I don't agree with it. I wouldn't ask a Jewish baker to decorate a cake for Bacon Buttie Week for example"
I very much doubt that they are against homosexuality per se. Their religion rightly denotes marriage as a union between man and wife. |
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"Sorry to be thick and slightly off subject but what is this contraception coverage a load of my American friends have been fuming about it? "
A privately-owned establishment called Hobby Lobby, whose owners are devout evangelical Christians and vehemently pro-life, took the administration to court over an insurance mandate that said that all employers have to provide prescription drug coverage for contraception. Supreme Court in a divided 5-4 verdict ruled in their favor. |
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"Sorry to be thick and slightly off subject but what is this contraception coverage a load of my American friends have been fuming about it?
A privately-owned establishment called Hobby Lobby, whose owners are devout evangelical Christians and vehemently pro-life, took the administration to court over an insurance mandate that said that all employers have to provide prescription drug coverage for contraception. Supreme Court in a divided 5-4 verdict ruled in their favor."
Bloody hell but in fairness the US are pretty anti abortion etc but that is a complete different thread etc |
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"Sorry to be thick and slightly off subject but what is this contraception coverage a load of my American friends have been fuming about it?
A privately-owned establishment called Hobby Lobby, whose owners are devout evangelical Christians and vehemently pro-life, took the administration to court over an insurance mandate that said that all employers have to provide prescription drug coverage for contraception. Supreme Court in a divided 5-4 verdict ruled in their favor."
Why would an employer be responsible for an employees contraception? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A family bakery shop was asked to make a cake with a picture of Sesame Street's Bert and Ernie and the slogan 'Support gay marriage'. They politely refused the order as they felt it was against their religious beliefs. They have also previously refused orders with nudity or swear words.
The Equalities Commission is now threatening to prosecute them for 'discrimination' due to them turning down the 'Support gay marriage' cake order.
What do you think? Should they have to fulfill all customer orders no matter what, or have the right to say what orders they will and won't do?"
There's no way as a business woman myself I would refuse to serve a gay couple. I am open minded though AND I respect others. I do believe that if they can't be respectful of others then yes they do deserve to be charged with discrimination! |
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I think the Equality Commission need to take their head out of their...
Fact is anyone anywhere has the right to refuse to serve any potential customer. I find it difficult to believe that The Equality and Human Rights Commission would threaten to prosecute anyone for refusing to decorate a cake in any way. However if they have, I suspect it will be all over the news very shortly along with the mass resignations from the commission. Because they are effectively saying that gay rights have precedence over religious rights, and want a court to confirm this by convicting someone for their religious convictions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Sorry to be thick and slightly off subject but what is this contraception coverage a load of my American friends have been fuming about it?
A privately-owned establishment called Hobby Lobby, whose owners are devout evangelical Christians and vehemently pro-life, took the administration to court over an insurance mandate that said that all employers have to provide prescription drug coverage for contraception. Supreme Court in a divided 5-4 verdict ruled in their favor.
Why would an employer be responsible for an employees contraception?"
Obama.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Gotta luv this country..
Freedom if speech, freedom of _xpression and the right to your own beliefs.
Freedom of speech just entitles you to an opinion.
If you _xpress your opinion publically you must do so be within the confines of certain laws."
Totally agree that personal discretion should be exercised... But a law commanding me to act against my faith, and the faith of my country, is a hypocritical attack on the democratic rights which form(ed) the backbone of this nation, when we had one. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think the Equality Commission need to take their head out of their...
Fact is anyone anywhere has the right to refuse to serve any potential customer. I find it difficult to believe that The Equality and Human Rights Commission would threaten to prosecute anyone for refusing to decorate a cake in any way. However if they have, I suspect it will be all over the news very shortly along with the mass resignations from the commission. Because they are effectively saying that gay rights have precedence over religious rights, and want a court to confirm this by convicting someone for their religious convictions."
So a possible God in the sky takes precedence over humanity and kindness and equality?
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By (user no longer on site)
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You have to laugh though don't you. It's not as though there are more important isues about, is it?
When are the US gonna start to respect other people and countries religions without resorting to bombing them back into the 3rd world?
Piece of cake to the first reasonable answer. Or a full cake to the first offer of a blow job. Gay bakers eligible.
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"Sorry to be thick and slightly off subject but what is this contraception coverage a load of my American friends have been fuming about it?
A privately-owned establishment called Hobby Lobby, whose owners are devout evangelical Christians and vehemently pro-life, took the administration to court over an insurance mandate that said that all employers have to provide prescription drug coverage for contraception. Supreme Court in a divided 5-4 verdict ruled in their favor.
Why would an employer be responsible for an employees contraception?"
There is no government provided healthcare in the US, except for the poor and old folks. Employers pay in part for group rates for employees. Prescription drugs are bloody expensive unless you are covered. |
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"Sorry to be thick and slightly off subject but what is this contraception coverage a load of my American friends have been fuming about it?
A privately-owned establishment called Hobby Lobby, whose owners are devout evangelical Christians and vehemently pro-life, took the administration to court over an insurance mandate that said that all employers have to provide prescription drug coverage for contraception. Supreme Court in a divided 5-4 verdict ruled in their favor.
Why would an employer be responsible for an employees contraception?
There is no government provided healthcare in the US, except for the poor and old folks. Employers pay in part for group rates for employees. Prescription drugs are bloody expensive unless you are covered."
I was part of the US health care for a few years I couldn't knock it to be fair |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Gotta luv this country..
Freedom if speech, freedom of _xpression and the right to your own beliefs.
Freedom of speech just entitles you to an opinion.
If you _xpress your opinion publically you must do so be within the confines of certain laws.
Totally agree that personal discretion should be exercised... But a law commanding me to act against my faith, and the faith of my country, is a hypocritical attack on the democratic rights which form(ed) the backbone of this nation, when we had one."
Doesn't having faith mean treating others with kindness?
This is why I cast aside religion many years ago.
You can't claim to be religious and good and then exclude members of the human race who don't fit the mould! |
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"A family bakery shop was asked to make a cake with a picture of Sesame Street's Bert and Ernie and the slogan 'Support gay marriage'. They politely refused the order as they felt it was against their religious beliefs. They have also previously refused orders with nudity or swear words.
The Equalities Commission is now threatening to prosecute them for 'discrimination' due to them turning down the 'Support gay marriage' cake order.
What do you think? Should they have to fulfill all customer orders no matter what, or have the right to say what orders they will and won't do?"
If its on religious beliefs , I think they should have the right to refuse. I used to work in a pharmacy and the pharmacist refused to dispense the morning after pill due to religion. The law was on his side. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A family bakery shop was asked to make a cake with a picture of Sesame Street's Bert and Ernie and the slogan 'Support gay marriage'. They politely refused the order as they felt it was against their religious beliefs. They have also previously refused orders with nudity or swear words.
The Equalities Commission is now threatening to prosecute them for 'discrimination' due to them turning down the 'Support gay marriage' cake order.
What do you think? Should they have to fulfill all customer orders no matter what, or have the right to say what orders they will and won't do? If its on religious beliefs , I think they should have the right to refuse. I used to work in a pharmacy and the pharmacist refused to dispense the morning after pill due to religion. The law was on his side."
Right I am going before my head explodes....  |
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"Gotta luv this country..
Freedom if speech, freedom of _xpression and the right to your own beliefs.
Freedom of speech just entitles you to an opinion.
If you _xpress your opinion publically you must do so be within the confines of certain laws.
Totally agree that personal discretion should be exercised... But a law commanding me to act against my faith, and the faith of my country, is a hypocritical attack on the democratic rights which form(ed) the backbone of this nation, when we had one."
Would you defend the right of a Muslim employee of McDonald's to refuse to serve you a BLT sandwich because it is against his faith? |
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"Gotta luv this country..
Freedom if speech, freedom of _xpression and the right to your own beliefs.
Freedom of speech just entitles you to an opinion.
If you _xpress your opinion publically you must do so be within the confines of certain laws.
Totally agree that personal discretion should be exercised... But a law commanding me to act against my faith, and the faith of my country, is a hypocritical attack on the democratic rights which form(ed) the backbone of this nation, when we had one.
Doesn't having faith mean treating others with kindness?
This is why I cast aside religion many years ago.
You can't claim to be religious and good and then exclude members of the human race who don't fit the mould!"
Well said. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Gotta luv this country..
Freedom if speech, freedom of _xpression and the right to your own beliefs.
Freedom of speech just entitles you to an opinion.
If you _xpress your opinion publically you must do so be within the confines of certain laws.
Totally agree that personal discretion should be exercised... But a law commanding me to act against my faith, and the faith of my country, is a hypocritical attack on the democratic rights which form(ed) the backbone of this nation, when we had one.
Doesn't having faith mean treating others with kindness?
This is why I cast aside religion many years ago.
You can't claim to be religious and good and then exclude members of the human race who don't fit the mould!
Well said."
Really?
So we can expect every single worshipper of any faith to worship such as Jimmy Saville, or far far worse, on their next visit? |
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"Because they are effectively saying that gay rights have precedence over religious rights"
Good. That's as it should be. Being gay is something you are, whereas being religious is an opinion about the world like anything else. You're free to your opinions, but not to use them to limit the freedoms of other people.
We don't let racist people get away with racism. Why does adding religion to homophobia magically make it justifiable? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Gotta luv this country..
Freedom if speech, freedom of _xpression and the right to your own beliefs.
Freedom of speech just entitles you to an opinion.
If you _xpress your opinion publically you must do so be within the confines of certain laws.
Totally agree that personal discretion should be exercised... But a law commanding me to act against my faith, and the faith of my country, is a hypocritical attack on the democratic rights which form(ed) the backbone of this nation, when we had one.
Doesn't having faith mean treating others with kindness?
This is why I cast aside religion many years ago.
You can't claim to be religious and good and then exclude members of the human race who don't fit the mould!
Well said.
Really?
So we can expect every single worshipper of any faith to worship such as Jimmy Saville, or far far worse, on their next visit? "
Are you comparing paedo's to homosexuality? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Gotta luv this country..
Freedom if speech, freedom of _xpression and the right to your own beliefs.
Freedom of speech just entitles you to an opinion.
If you _xpress your opinion publically you must do so be within the confines of certain laws.
Totally agree that personal discretion should be exercised... But a law commanding me to act against my faith, and the faith of my country, is a hypocritical attack on the democratic rights which form(ed) the backbone of this nation, when we had one.
Would you defend the right of a Muslim employee of McDonald's to refuse to serve you a BLT sandwich because it is against his faith?"
No. Other jobs are available.
There was a similar story last week regarding Tesco's where a woman was refused to be served with Wine and Ham.
Had that been me i'd have walked out of the shop with the goods.
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1. Doesn't having faith mean treating others with kindness?
2.This is why I cast aside religion many years ago.
3. You can't claim to be religious and good and then exclude members of the human race who don't fit the mould!"
1: Yes it does.
2: You cast aside religion, because you don't agree with being kind to others...
3: Yes I can... I don't accept, for example, murderous dictators...
Now that we have both exercised our democratic rights to freedom if speech... Which one of us will the department of "equalities" condemn...? |
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They have every right to refuse if it goes against their beliefs.
As much as you or I have the right to refuse people we meet. It is not about 'discrimination', it is about freedom of thought and action. And the freedom of choice.
Ridiculous PC Bollox and the thought police gone mad.
The PC Brigade are fascist beyond belief.
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By (user no longer on site)
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1. Doesn't having faith mean treating others with kindness?
2.This is why I cast aside religion many years ago.
3. You can't claim to be religious and good and then exclude members of the human race who don't fit the mould!
1: Yes it does.
2: You cast aside religion, because you don't agree with being kind to others...
3: Yes I can... I don't accept, for example, murderous dictators...
Now that we have both exercised our democratic rights to freedom if speech... Which one of us will the department of "equalities" condemn...?"
Lol...are you for real?
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"Gotta luv this country..
Freedom if speech, freedom of _xpression and the right to your own beliefs.
Freedom of speech just entitles you to an opinion.
If you _xpress your opinion publically you must do so be within the confines of certain laws.
Totally agree that personal discretion should be exercised... But a law commanding me to act against my faith, and the faith of my country, is a hypocritical attack on the democratic rights which form(ed) the backbone of this nation, when we had one.
Doesn't having faith mean treating others with kindness?
This is why I cast aside religion many years ago.
You can't claim to be religious and good and then exclude members of the human race who don't fit the mould!
Well said.
Really?
So we can expect every single worshipper of any faith to worship such as Jimmy Saville, or far far worse, on their next visit?
Are you comparing paedo's to homosexuality?"
Am i? You think so?
Not at all, though as with Jonathan King there is often an overlap. I'm merely giving one situation where someone will not fit the mo(u)ld.
There are a surprising number of people who do not do so. |
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Doesn't having faith mean treating others with kindness?
This is why I cast aside religion many years ago.
You can't claim to be religious and good and then exclude members of the human race who don't fit the mould!
Well said.
Really?
So we can expect every single worshipper of any faith to worship such as Jimmy Saville, or far far worse, on their next visit?
Are you comparing paedo's to homosexuality?"
Feels like déjà vu. It is the same argument one hears in the US - legalizing gay marriage will mean incest, pedophilia, and even bestiality are okay.
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"They have every right to refuse if it goes against their beliefs.
As much as you or I have the right to refuse people we meet. It is not about 'discrimination', it is about freedom of thought and action. And the freedom of choice.
Ridiculous PC Bollox and the thought police gone mad.
The PC Brigade are fascist beyond belief.
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I've been struggling to think of what to write here and this is exactly what I'd write! How sad and empty are some folks' lives if they report a small familly bakery of discriminating against them by refusing to bake a cake? Z |
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"Gotta luv this country..
Freedom if speech, freedom of _xpression and the right to your own beliefs.
Freedom of speech just entitles you to an opinion.
If you _xpress your opinion publically you must do so be within the confines of certain laws.
Totally agree that personal discretion should be exercised... But a law commanding me to act against my faith, and the faith of my country, is a hypocritical attack on the democratic rights which form(ed) the backbone of this nation, when we had one.
Doesn't having faith mean treating others with kindness?
This is why I cast aside religion many years ago.
You can't claim to be religious and good and then exclude members of the human race who don't fit the mould!
Well said.
Really?
So we can expect every single worshipper of any faith to worship such as Jimmy Saville, or far far worse, on their next visit?
Are you comparing paedo's to homosexuality?
Am i? You think so?
Not at all, though as with Jonathan King there is often an overlap. I'm merely giving one situation where someone will not fit the mo(u)ld.
There are a surprising number of people who do not do so. "
I think there are a surprising number of people who have really shocked me here this evening.
Seriously.
Kindness comes from within.
It isn't spoonfed into you with religion.
Love for one another is a human trait, it's innate.
I don't need to be religious to feel love or empathy or compassion towards others.
I really need to bow out now..
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1. Doesn't having faith mean treating others with kindness?
2.This is why I cast aside religion many years ago.
3. You can't claim to be religious and good and then exclude members of the human race who don't fit the mould!
1: Yes it does.
2: You cast aside religion, because you don't agree with being kind to others...
3: Yes I can... I don't accept, for example, murderous dictators...
Now that we have both exercised our democratic rights to freedom if speech... Which one of us will the department of "equalities" condemn...?
Lol...are you for real?
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Totally... Why do you ask...?
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1. Doesn't having faith mean treating others with kindness?
2.This is why I cast aside religion many years ago.
3. You can't claim to be religious and good and then exclude members of the human race who don't fit the mould!
1: Yes it does.
2: You cast aside religion, because you don't agree with being kind to others...
3: Yes I can... I don't accept, for example, murderous dictators...
Now that we have both exercised our democratic rights to freedom if speech... Which one of us will the department of "equalities" condemn...?
Lol...are you for real?
Totally... Why do you ask...?
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Re-calibration, if i may be so bold. |
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"They have every right to refuse if it goes against their beliefs.
As much as you or I have the right to refuse people we meet. It is not about 'discrimination', it is about freedom of thought and action. And the freedom of choice.
Ridiculous PC Bollox and the thought police gone mad.
The PC Brigade are fascist beyond belief.
I've been struggling to think of what to write here and this is exactly what I'd write! How sad and empty are some folks' lives if they report a small familly bakery of discriminating against them by refusing to bake a cake? Z"
How sad are some folks lives if they're so anti-gay that they'll refuse to treat gay people as they would any other customer? |
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"No. I will never support it, it should be between man and woman as it was from the start 
What a narrow mind you have "
Every one is allowed to have their own opinion, I don't particulary agree with gay mariages myself but have nothing against homosexuals. Z |
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"They have every right to refuse if it goes against their beliefs.
As much as you or I have the right to refuse people we meet. It is not about 'discrimination', it is about freedom of thought and action. And the freedom of choice.
Ridiculous PC Bollox and the thought police gone mad.
The PC Brigade are fascist beyond belief.
I've been struggling to think of what to write here and this is exactly what I'd write! How sad and empty are some folks' lives if they report a small familly bakery of discriminating against them by refusing to bake a cake? Z
How sad are some folks lives if they're so anti-gay that they'll refuse to treat gay people as they would any other customer?"
i'm not 'anti gay' gor gods sake i'm bisexual myself! I feel that they've made a mountain out of a molehill! Z |
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"No. I will never support it, it should be between man and woman as it was from the start
What a narrow mind you have
Every one is allowed to have their own opinion, I don't particulary agree with gay mariages myself but have nothing against homosexuals. Z"
Sure. You have nothing against them, you just don't think they're equal to straight people |
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"They have every right to refuse if it goes against their beliefs.
As much as you or I have the right to refuse people we meet. It is not about 'discrimination', it is about freedom of thought and action. And the freedom of choice.
Ridiculous PC Bollox and the thought police gone mad.
The PC Brigade are fascist beyond belief.
I've been struggling to think of what to write here and this is exactly what I'd write! How sad and empty are some folks' lives if they report a small familly bakery of discriminating against them by refusing to bake a cake? Z
How sad are some folks lives if they're so anti-gay that they'll refuse to treat gay people as they would any other customer?
i'm not 'anti gay' gor gods sake i'm bisexual myself! I feel that they've made a mountain out of a molehill! Z"
What are you on about? I'm very clearly talking about the cake people being anti-gay, not you. |
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"No. I will never support it, it should be between man and woman as it was from the start
What a narrow mind you have
Every one is allowed to have their own opinion, I don't particulary agree with gay mariages myself but have nothing against homosexuals. Z"
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Fact is anyone anywhere has the right to refuse to serve any potential customer. I find it difficult to believe that The Equality and Human Rights Commission would threaten to prosecute anyone for refusing to decorate a cake in any way. However if they have, I suspect it will be all over the news very shortly along with the mass resignations from the commission. Because they are effectively saying that gay rights have precedence over religious rights, and want a court to confirm this by convicting someone for their religious convictions.
So a possible God in the sky takes precedence over humanity and kindness and equality?
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That is not what I said. but if I understand the Gay Marriage Act then when it comes to marrying in church the answer is yes.
Please note at no time have I _xpressed a personal _iew on this subject other than if true the Commission needs to get its head out of its arse. And that _iew is not to do with the rights and wrongs of the situation but to do with the divisiveness of the case as described and the fact that a body that is supposed to promote equality is picking sides in an issue where to do so means discriminating against one section of society in favour of another. |
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"They have every right to refuse if it goes against their beliefs.
As much as you or I have the right to refuse people we meet. It is not about 'discrimination', it is about freedom of thought and action. And the freedom of choice.
Ridiculous PC Bollox and the thought police gone mad.
The PC Brigade are fascist beyond belief.
I've been struggling to think of what to write here and this is exactly what I'd write! How sad and empty are some folks' lives if they report a small familly bakery of discriminating against them by refusing to bake a cake? Z
How sad are some folks lives if they're so anti-gay that they'll refuse to treat gay people as they would any other customer?"
You're not up on the story are you?
The bakers are not anti-gay at all.
They are upholding the Christian belief that marriage is between a man and a woman.
And unless someone confirms otherwise, my reading of the story is that NI law does not, or did not, recognise gay marriage at the time, if even now.
As others have said, they've refused numerous orders on a number of grounds, so, why twist it to be purely anti-gay? |
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"They have every right to refuse if it goes against their beliefs.
As much as you or I have the right to refuse people we meet. It is not about 'discrimination', it is about freedom of thought and action. And the freedom of choice.
Ridiculous PC Bollox and the thought police gone mad.
The PC Brigade are fascist beyond belief.
I've been struggling to think of what to write here and this is exactly what I'd write! How sad and empty are some folks' lives if they report a small familly bakery of discriminating against them by refusing to bake a cake? Z
How sad are some folks lives if they're so anti-gay that they'll refuse to treat gay people as they would any other customer?
You're not up on the story are you?
The bakers are not anti-gay at all.
They are upholding the Christian belief that marriage is between a man and a woman.
And unless someone confirms otherwise, my reading of the story is that NI law does not, or did not, recognise gay marriage at the time, if even now.
As others have said, they've refused numerous orders on a number of grounds, so, why twist it to be purely anti-gay?"
The Christian anti-gay marriage stance is bigotry. Sorry. Just because it comes with religion doesn't make it magically ok. |
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"Gotta luv this country..
Freedom if speech, freedom of _xpression and the right to your own beliefs.
Freedom of speech just entitles you to an opinion.
If you _xpress your opinion publically you must do so be within the confines of certain laws.
Totally agree that personal discretion should be exercised... But a law commanding me to act against my faith, and the faith of my country, is a hypocritical attack on the democratic rights which form(ed) the backbone of this nation, when we had one.
Would you defend the right of a Muslim employee of McDonald's to refuse to serve you a BLT sandwich because it is against his faith?
No. Other jobs are available.
There was a similar story last week regarding Tesco's where a woman was refused to be served with Wine and Ham.
Had that been me i'd have walked out of the shop with the goods.
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"They have every right to refuse if it goes against their beliefs.
As much as you or I have the right to refuse people we meet. It is not about 'discrimination', it is about freedom of thought and action. And the freedom of choice.
Ridiculous PC Bollox and the thought police gone mad.
The PC Brigade are fascist beyond belief.
I've been struggling to think of what to write here and this is exactly what I'd write! How sad and empty are some folks' lives if they report a small familly bakery of discriminating against them by refusing to bake a cake? Z
How sad are some folks lives if they're so anti-gay that they'll refuse to treat gay people as they would any other customer?
You're not up on the story are you?
The bakers are not anti-gay at all.
They are upholding the Christian belief that marriage is between a man and a woman.
And unless someone confirms otherwise, my reading of the story is that NI law does not, or did not, recognise gay marriage at the time, if even now.
As others have said, they've refused numerous orders on a number of grounds, so, why twist it to be purely anti-gay?
The Christian anti-gay marriage stance is bigotry. Sorry. Just because it comes with religion doesn't make it magically ok. "
lol, just lol.
big•ot•ry ('b?g ? tri)
n.
1. extreme intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
yet you yourself seem to be so intolerant of someone else's genuine creed, belief and opinions?
Bigotted much? ha
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"They have every right to refuse if it goes against their beliefs.
As much as you or I have the right to refuse people we meet. It is not about 'discrimination', it is about freedom of thought and action. And the freedom of choice.
Ridiculous PC Bollox and the thought police gone mad.
The PC Brigade are fascist beyond belief.
I've been struggling to think of what to write here and this is exactly what I'd write! How sad and empty are some folks' lives if they report a small familly bakery of discriminating against them by refusing to bake a cake? Z
How sad are some folks lives if they're so anti-gay that they'll refuse to treat gay people as they would any other customer?
You're not up on the story are you?
The bakers are not anti-gay at all.
They are upholding the Christian belief that marriage is between a man and a woman.
And unless someone confirms otherwise, my reading of the story is that NI law does not, or did not, recognise gay marriage at the time, if even now.
As others have said, they've refused numerous orders on a number of grounds, so, why twist it to be purely anti-gay?
The Christian anti-gay marriage stance is bigotry. Sorry. Just because it comes with religion doesn't make it magically ok.
lol, just lol.
big•ot•ry ('b?g ? tri)
n.
1. extreme intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
yet you yourself seem to be so intolerant of someone else's genuine creed, belief and opinions?
Bigotted much? ha
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Good grief. Can you not tell the difference between being against what someone is and being against opinions?
By your logic if I'm anti-racism, then I'm a bigot towards racists. |
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"Gotta luv this country..
Freedom if speech, freedom of _xpression and the right to your own beliefs.
Freedom of speech just entitles you to an opinion.
If you _xpress your opinion publically you must do so be within the confines of certain laws.
Totally agree that personal discretion should be exercised... But a law commanding me to act against my faith, and the faith of my country, is a hypocritical attack on the democratic rights which form(ed) the backbone of this nation, when we had one.
Would you defend the right of a Muslim employee of McDonald's to refuse to serve you a BLT sandwich because it is against his faith?
No. Other jobs are available.
There was a similar story last week regarding Tesco's where a woman was refused to be served with Wine and Ham.
Had that been me i'd have walked out of the shop with the goods.
In other words, you would have got the employee fired for exercising his or right to freedom of religion. Thanks for the clarification."
Where on earth do i say that?
Strange clarification process you have. |
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Can't the gays just go somewhere else, surely many others would welcome their trade?
They SHOULDNT have to go somewhere else.
If I had a shop, and started to refuse to server a certain race, or fat people I'm sure a lot would be said. But hey, why can't the people of colour or fatties just go somewhere else right?
I hate this subject I really do. My sister is a lesbian and I've seen the amount of shit she has had to put up with over the years. "
Would that shit have come from you?
'People of colour or fatties'? Are you fucking serious??? |
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Can't the gays just go somewhere else, surely many others would welcome their trade?
They SHOULDNT have to go somewhere else.
If I had a shop, and started to refuse to server a certain race, or fat people I'm sure a lot would be said. But hey, why can't the people of colour or fatties just go somewhere else right?
I hate this subject I really do. My sister is a lesbian and I've seen the amount of shit she has had to put up with over the years.
Would that shit have come from you?
'People of colour or fatties'? Are you fucking serious???"
The person you're quoting is being sarcastic... |
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Can't the gays just go somewhere else, surely many others would welcome their trade?
They SHOULDNT have to go somewhere else.
If I had a shop, and started to refuse to server a certain race, or fat people I'm sure a lot would be said. But hey, why can't the people of colour or fatties just go somewhere else right?
I hate this subject I really do. My sister is a lesbian and I've seen the amount of shit she has had to put up with over the years.
Would that shit have come from you?
'People of colour or fatties'? Are you fucking serious???
The person you're quoting is being sarcastic..."
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""Because they are effectively saying that gay rights have precedence over religious rights"
Good. That's as it should be. Being gay is something you are, whereas being religious is an opinion about the world like anything else. You're free to your opinions, but not to use them to limit the freedoms of other people.
We don't let racist people get away with racism. Why does adding religion to homophobia magically make it justifiable?"
Firstly, as I understand the OP, the refusal to serve was not on grounds of sexual orientation but on grounds of what was to be put on the cake. Therefore the refusal was hot homophobic.
Secondly, I fully understand that this may be an emotive issue but are you really so short sighted that you can not see that if the mention of the subject could cause such hostility here that should such a case ever reach court that the fallout would be many times worse and in the real world.
Fact is this is such a decisive issue that our lawmakers gave all religious institutions a personal veto on participation in gay marriages so to allow all to follow their consciousnesses. Any other way of dealing with issues like this where one faction is given precedence over another is extremely dangerous. |
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Ahem..... cough-cough,,,,,
Surely no-one would seriously suggest that simply refusing a fuk'in cake order is an act of extreme intolerance..... OMG..... wow..... OMG.... surely not..... pffft........
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1. Doesn't having faith mean treating others with kindness?
2.This is why I cast aside religion many years ago.
3. You can't claim to be religious and good and then exclude members of the human race who don't fit the mould!
1: Yes it does.
2: You cast aside religion, because you don't agree with being kind to others...
3: Yes I can... I don't accept, for example, murderous dictators...
Now that we have both exercised our democratic rights to freedom if speech... Which one of us will the department of "equalities" condemn...?
Lol...are you for real?
Totally... Why do you ask...?
Re-calibration, if i may be so bold. "
Re-calibration of the premis or the responses...???
Nothing wrong with being bold enough to respond with an opinion... It is rather the theme of the thread... |
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"I think the Equality Commission need to take their head out of their...
Fact is anyone anywhere has the right to refuse to serve any potential customer. I find it difficult to believe that The Equality and Human Rights Commission would threaten to prosecute anyone for refusing to decorate a cake in any way. However if they have, I suspect it will be all over the news very shortly along with the mass resignations from the commission. Because they are effectively saying that gay rights have precedence over religious rights, and want a court to confirm this by convicting someone for their religious convictions.
So a possible God in the sky takes precedence over humanity and kindness and equality?
That is not what I said. but if I understand the Gay Marriage Act then when it comes to marrying in church the answer is yes.
Please note at no time have I _xpressed a personal _iew on this subject other than if true the Commission needs to get its head out of its arse. And that _iew is not to do with the rights and wrongs of the situation but to do with the divisiveness of the case as described and the fact that a body that is supposed to promote equality is picking sides in an issue where to do so means discriminating against one section of society in favour of another."
I agree.
I think the bakery's only mistake was being honest. If they'd refused the order and said they were too busy there would have been no issue. |
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""Because they are effectively saying that gay rights have precedence over religious rights"
Good. That's as it should be. Being gay is something you are, whereas being religious is an opinion about the world like anything else. You're free to your opinions, but not to use them to limit the freedoms of other people.
We don't let racist people get away with racism. Why does adding religion to homophobia magically make it justifiable?
Firstly, as I understand the OP, the refusal to serve was not on grounds of sexual orientation but on grounds of what was to be put on the cake. Therefore the refusal was hot homophobic.
Secondly, I fully understand that this may be an emotive issue but are you really so short sighted that you can not see that if the mention of the subject could cause such hostility here that should such a case ever reach court that the fallout would be many times worse and in the real world.
Fact is this is such a decisive issue that our lawmakers gave all religious institutions a personal veto on participation in gay marriages so to allow all to follow their consciousnesses. Any other way of dealing with issues like this where one faction is given precedence over another is extremely dangerous."
Didn't the legislation specifically exclude the Anglican church, certainly in respect to some events? |
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If they had refused to make a cake for a gay couple I think there would be a point to be made. ! But I think this is more about the message on the cake and I suspect they were signalled out and it was deliberate. ! |
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Is this the right time and place to ask if the cake in question was a fruit cake? "
It would be politically incorrect to say it was a fairy cake... so I won't run that risk.....
After-all I wouldn't want to offended the easily offended... or any of my close gay friends... who in reality would probably think that was quite funny..... |
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Is this the right time and place to ask if the cake in question was a fruit cake?
It would be politically incorrect to say it was a fairy cake... so I won't run that risk.....
After-all I wouldn't want to offended the easily offended... or any of my close gay friends... who in reality would probably think that was quite funny..... "
Best not mention the issue with the puff pastries |
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Is this the right time and place to ask if the cake in question was a fruit cake?
It would be politically incorrect to say it was a fairy cake... so I won't run that risk.....
After-all I wouldn't want to offended the easily offended... or any of my close gay friends... who in reality would probably think that was quite funny..... "
I laughed at 'fairy cake'. Does that make me a homophobic bigot? |
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Is this the right time and place to ask if the cake in question was a fruit cake?
It would be politically incorrect to say it was a fairy cake... so I won't run that risk.....
After-all I wouldn't want to offended the easily offended... or any of my close gay friends... who in reality would probably think that was quite funny..... "
Would it be quite safe then to suggest that most gays would be able to bake a rather nice sumptuous cake themselves? Licking the bowl out may be something of a ponderance.
Yes, i know, that isn't the gist of the argument but, well. it's cake. |
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The bakery is right. In law a landlord can refuse to serve anyone in his pub without giving any reason. Should be same for the proprietor of any business. |
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"They have every right to refuse if it goes against their beliefs.
As much as you or I have the right to refuse people we meet. It is not about 'discrimination', it is about freedom of thought and action. And the freedom of choice.
Ridiculous PC Bollox and the thought police gone mad.
The PC Brigade are fascist beyond belief.
I've been struggling to think of what to write here and this is exactly what I'd write! How sad and empty are some folks' lives if they report a small familly bakery of discriminating against them by refusing to bake a cake? Z
How sad are some folks lives if they're so anti-gay that they'll refuse to treat gay people as they would any other customer?
You're not up on the story are you?
The bakers are not anti-gay at all.
They are upholding the Christian belief that marriage is between a man and a woman.
And unless someone confirms otherwise, my reading of the story is that NI law does not, or did not, recognise gay marriage at the time, if even now.
As others have said, they've refused numerous orders on a number of grounds, so, why twist it to be purely anti-gay?
The Christian anti-gay marriage stance is bigotry. Sorry. Just because it comes with religion doesn't make it magically ok. "
The Christian anti-gay marriage stance?
Do all the other major world religions condone it or am I missing something?
People's morals control their opinion of what is or is not acceptable regardless of religion but if religion drives their personal beliefs then that is their choice.
And this is about choice.
Or not been allowed a choice to follow your own moral compass. |
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Worlds gone mad if it offends the shop owners then of course they can should be able to say no. Those who wanted the cake should go to another shop thst will do it now the bakers are under threat of prosecution is ridiculous.
I find fact the people wanting the cake having complained as being pathetic and actually forcing their beliefs onto the bakers. Secondly the cps et are running scared of the folk who jump on babdwagon to in effect put liveliehood of bakers at risk because they declined.
The folk who requested the cake should be done for wasting police time on this and potentially running up court costs and case the public purse pay for.
Folk like in the tragedy in ukraine die and yet these folk moan about a fooking cake makes my blood boil and need to get grip on reality. |
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Businesses should be ablevto make ethical decisions based on their code of ethics. There are types of customers I would refuse to do business with for ethical reasons. |
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"Instead of 'gay' use 'black', 'foreign', or 'disabled', and how does that sound? Clearly this is discrimination and is therefore unlawful. "
Black, foreign or disabled marriage is not a new thing therefore it's unlikely anyone would have requested a cake supporting such a premise...
I realise this isn't what you meant , but that's what happened - someone refused to prepare a product requesting support for an action they didn't support for religious reasons...would a cake saying "Support abortion after 20 weeks" (or whatever the limit is) be classed as discrimination?
I'm with those that think it's been blown up out of all proportion, possibly by someone with their own agenda...if someone refused me a service based on their religious beliefs, I would move onto a non-religious business and hint no more of it |
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A business should be able to decide if it does business or not but if it is openly discriminating I can see why that is something that ought to be challenged. If not how long before 'no gays' signs are on windows? The High Street would soon look like a fab profile search. |
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"Instead of 'gay' use 'black', 'foreign', or 'disabled', and how does that sound? Clearly this is discrimination and is therefore unlawful. "
But discriminating against discrimination is equally unlawful...
Let us therefore not discriminate against anything, which of itself is discrimination... And therefore defeats the object... |
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Ignoring the fact that this is about a cake ... If I am an owner of a company, does my right to have freedom of _xpression mean that I can refuse to employ someone who offends my religious beliefs? While equalities legislation is a minefield, I sincerely hope we have moved on from the bigotry that was prevalent not so long ago. |
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"There will be hundreds of places who would make a cake. Why anyone would want to go to a business that didn't want their business is beyond me.
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How would you know? |
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"There will be hundreds of places who would make a cake. Why anyone would want to go to a business that didn't want their business is beyond me.
How would you know?"
By the use of crystal balls - obviously! Doh! Z |
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"There will be hundreds of places who would make a cake. Why anyone would want to go to a business that didn't want their business is beyond me.
How would you know?
By the use of crystal balls - obviously! Doh! Z"
The baker gaydar would be more effective |
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Nice, spirited debate. Clearly, religion is still a topic that brings out a lot of our deepest beliefs. Some _xpress them overtly, while others have these deeper non-conscious, and implicit attitudes. As a psychologist, I am fascinated. As a liberal who believes in social equity in every facet of life, I am a bit shocked but respectful of the right of others to hold a belief opposite to mine. As a Newbie Fabber from 5000 miles away, and who is leaving the shores of your lovely country tomorrow morning, I think I will focus on my immediate goals - of having a good time at OP4fun tonight! |
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"Nice, spirited debate. Clearly, religion is still a topic that brings out a lot of our deepest beliefs. Some _xpress them overtly, while others have these deeper non-conscious, and implicit attitudes. As a psychologist, I am fascinated. As a liberal who believes in social equity in every facet of life, I am a bit shocked but respectful of the right of others to hold a belief opposite to mine. As a Newbie Fabber from 5000 miles away, and who is leaving the shores of your lovely country tomorrow morning, I think I will focus on my immediate goals - of having a good time at OP4fun tonight!"
Have fun and a safe journey home. |
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"Nice, spirited debate. Clearly, religion is still a topic that brings out a lot of our deepest beliefs. Some _xpress them overtly, while others have these deeper non-conscious, and implicit attitudes. As a psychologist, I am fascinated. As a liberal who believes in social equity in every facet of life, I am a bit shocked but respectful of the right of others to hold a belief opposite to mine. As a Newbie Fabber from 5000 miles away, and who is leaving the shores of your lovely country tomorrow morning, I think I will focus on my immediate goals - of having a good time at OP4fun tonight!"
That's it, have ya cake and eat it huh! |
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"They will have known ! I'm sure it was a set up ! "
The bakery in question is locally well-known to be a Christian owned business - it's even called "Asher's" who is a character from the bible -
"On his deathbed, Jacob blesses Asher by saying that "his bread shall be fat, and he shall yield royal dainties"(Genesis 49:20).
I personally think there's a bit of baiting going on. |
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"Nice, spirited debate. Clearly, religion is still a topic that brings out a lot of our deepest beliefs. Some _xpress them overtly, while others have these deeper non-conscious, and implicit attitudes. As a psychologist, I am fascinated. As a liberal who believes in social equity in every facet of life, I am a bit shocked but respectful of the right of others to hold a belief opposite to mine. As a Newbie Fabber from 5000 miles away, and who is leaving the shores of your lovely country tomorrow morning, I think I will focus on my immediate goals - of having a good time at OP4fun tonight!
That's it, have ya cake and eat it huh! "
No fruit on it please |
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"Nice, spirited debate. Clearly, religion is still a topic that brings out a lot of our deepest beliefs. Some _xpress them overtly, while others have these deeper non-conscious, and implicit attitudes. As a psychologist, I am fascinated. As a liberal who believes in social equity in every facet of life, I am a bit shocked but respectful of the right of others to hold a belief opposite to mine. As a Newbie Fabber from 5000 miles away, and who is leaving the shores of your lovely country tomorrow morning, I think I will focus on my immediate goals - of having a good time at OP4fun tonight!
Have fun and a safe journey home. "
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"There will be hundreds of places who would make a cake. Why anyone would want to go to a business that didn't want their business is beyond me.
How would you know?
By the use of crystal balls - obviously! Doh! Z
The baker gaydar would be more effective"
Baker Gaydar!?!? My boy I think you may have stumbled upon the next multi-million dollar app!!!! Quick get coding before someone else gets there |
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How would you know?
By the use of crystal balls - obviously! Doh! Z"
Hilarious! Usual dim witted response |
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Looking for a gay cake quick and in too much of a hurry to be refused by Christian bigotted cake makers?
Introducing Baker Gaydar! Connecting Gays with Cakes. Using Baker Gaydar you need never have your overly phallic pink sponge iced cock shaped cake with "take me up the back passage big boy" written on it refused...ever again |
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May i suggest a further slogan, and ahem royalty share, for your Baker Gaydar cake business,
"With this cake, do you promise to take the ring of your dearly beloved" |
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How would you know?
By the use of crystal balls - obviously! Doh! Z
Hilarious! Usual dim witted response "
It's called humour - look it up Z |
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"I would've given them a cream-horn and a doughnut placed on a fancy doily.....
Who would you have chosen to be the donut... "
I don't mind either way...... I'd be to busy hunting for Navy cake.... |
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May i suggest a further slogan, and ahem royalty share, for your Baker Gaydar cake business,
"With this cake, do you promise to take the ring of your dearly beloved""
I'll be taking his ring as often as possible your worshipfulness |
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"They will have known ! I'm sure it was a set up !
The bakery in question is locally well-known to be a Christian owned business - it's even called "Asher's" who is a character from the bible -
"On his deathbed, Jacob blesses Asher by saying that "his bread shall be fat, and he shall yield royal dainties"(Genesis 49:20).
I personally think there's a bit of baiting going on."
How does that make it ok? Just stick to your own kind? |
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"They will have known ! I'm sure it was a set up !
The bakery in question is locally well-known to be a Christian owned business - it's even called "Asher's" who is a character from the bible -
"On his deathbed, Jacob blesses Asher by saying that "his bread shall be fat, and he shall yield royal dainties"(Genesis 49:20).
I personally think there's a bit of baiting going on.
How does that make it ok? Just stick to your own kind?"
Often in life, sticking to your own kind is the wisest thing to do. |
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"They will have known ! I'm sure it was a set up !
The bakery in question is locally well-known to be a Christian owned business - it's even called "Asher's" who is a character from the bible -
"On his deathbed, Jacob blesses Asher by saying that "his bread shall be fat, and he shall yield royal dainties"(Genesis 49:20).
I personally think there's a bit of baiting going on.
How does that make it ok? Just stick to your own kind?
Often in life, sticking to your own kind is the wisest thing to do."
Not in my life it ain't. |
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"They will have known ! I'm sure it was a set up !
The bakery in question is locally well-known to be a Christian owned business - it's even called "Asher's" who is a character from the bible -
"On his deathbed, Jacob blesses Asher by saying that "his bread shall be fat, and he shall yield royal dainties"(Genesis 49:20).
I personally think there's a bit of baiting going on.
How does that make it ok? Just stick to your own kind?
Often in life, sticking to your own kind is the wisest thing to do."
There are some very wise people around these parts. |
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Can't the gays just go somewhere else, surely many others would welcome their trade?
They SHOULDNT have to go somewhere else.
If I had a shop, and started to refuse to server a certain race, or fat people I'm sure a lot would be said. But hey, why can't the people of colour or fatties just go somewhere else right?
I hate this subject I really do. My sister is a lesbian and I've seen the amount of shit she has had to put up with over the years.
Would that shit have come from you?
'People of colour or fatties'? Are you fucking serious???
The person you're quoting is being sarcastic...
Are you his lawyer? I understand sarcasm and that wasn't it "
I was being sarcastic. Could you not see the irony of my post? Clearly not |
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I don't care what people choose to do but if I get turned away from a pub for wearing trainers and not shoes even tho they are a lovely pair of trainers and not cheap then surely they don't gave to make the cake if they don't want to ?!?!?!? |
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If I owned a bakery, and somebody wanted me to make a "support gay marriage" cake, I would, because I have no problem with it. If I was asked to make a cake that said "support the BNP" or "support wearing fur", I would refuse. Ethics and morals have a place in this world, but it's up to each of us to decide how and when to use them. |
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"If I owned a bakery, and somebody wanted me to make a "support gay marriage" cake, I would, because I have no problem with it. If I was asked to make a cake that said "support the BNP" or "support wearing fur", I would refuse. Ethics and morals have a place in this world, but it's up to each of us to decide how and when to use them."
The BMP order cakes?  |
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"If I owned a bakery, and somebody wanted me to make a "support gay marriage" cake, I would, because I have no problem with it. If I was asked to make a cake that said "support the BNP" or "support wearing fur", I would refuse. Ethics and morals have a place in this world, but it's up to each of us to decide how and when to use them.
The BMP order cakes? "
If they actually won something they might |
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If they want to serve the public, according to the laws of the land, then they need to abide by them. Otherwise they could devote 100% of their time to religious service. It is the same as the b&b place the refused custom to 2 guys a couple of years back. There is legal precedent that is widely known about discrimination and services. The cake was innocuously designed, not sexual in content, and if acceptable for straights then good enough for gays and bis. |
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"If I owned a bakery, and somebody wanted me to make a "support gay marriage" cake, I would, because I have no problem with it. If I was asked to make a cake that said "support the BNP" or "support wearing fur", I would refuse. Ethics and morals have a place in this world, but it's up to each of us to decide how and when to use them.
The BMP order cakes?
If they actually won something they might "
Am I on the wrong end of a stick is this BMP different if it does competitions is it one of them tour de France cycle teams or similar?  |
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"If I owned a bakery, and somebody wanted me to make a "support gay marriage" cake, I would, because I have no problem with it. If I was asked to make a cake that said "support the BNP" or "support wearing fur", I would refuse. Ethics and morals have a place in this world, but it's up to each of us to decide how and when to use them.
The BMP order cakes?
If they actually won something they might
Am I on the wrong end of a stick is this BMP different if it does competitions is it one of them tour de France cycle teams or similar? "
Personally I thought a BMP was a Russian built MICV so am surprised to hear they've been ordering cakes.
Won't they be too big to fit through the door to collect from the bakers? |
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over a year ago
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IM not Religious in any form. So take religion out of it,we have become to PC. If a person has his/her own shop it is up to that person weather or not the serve them, if it goes against what they think its not for anyone else to preach how to think how to run the shop,
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"I don't care what people choose to do but if I get turned away from a pub for wearing trainers and not shoes even tho they are a lovely pair of trainers and not cheap then surely they don't gave to make the cake if they don't want to ?!?!?!? "
I'm with you! |
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"If I owned a bakery, and somebody wanted me to make a "support gay marriage" cake, I would, because I have no problem with it. If I was asked to make a cake that said "support the BNP" or "support wearing fur", I would refuse. Ethics and morals have a place in this world, but it's up to each of us to decide how and when to use them."
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Reading this has riled me.
I too run a cake business- I have no issues doing gay reference cakes at all
However this cake maker did, he would not of turned the gays away if the cake had not referenced a gay slogan but it did. It's diabolical that they could be charged for it.
My personal choice is to refuse all cake orders with a drug reference on them. However again I wouldn't refuse someone who has a drug addiction but I would refuse to put drug references on my art.
Cake makers are producing edible art, you wouldn't expect a artist to produce a piece of art they are unhappy with.
The same goes for that I won't make graphic cakes such as giving birth cakes - again I wouldn't turn away a pregnant woman but I would turn away her choice of cake |
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"A shop keeper or publican can refuse to serve anyone they choose. They don't have to give a reason.
Sorry to say youre not looking at the big picture....."
What big picture? |
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