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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Should it be legal? I fir one think so! We all should have the right to go when we please. At the age of 70 or whatever I'd like the option whether to go in tact or not!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yeah but let's be honest, if you were that ill, many would only want to die so you not a burden on family etc. Not because you don't actually want to live. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As long as you're deemed sound of mind and are able to take the required medication yourself then I think yes you should have a choice if you have a longstanding and degenerative medical condition
I don't think it should be the job of anyone else to medicate you enough that you die
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yeah but let's be honest, if you were that ill, many would only want to die so you not a burden on family etc. Not because you don't actually want to live. "
If I were really ill I would rather be dead |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I respect all sides of the argument... and can see the potential of situations occurring where someone might feel obliged to prematurely end their life....
I think each case is unique and therefore it's not pertinent to give one answer intended to provide the correct opinion for every scenario .... |
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By *nigmatic1Woman
over a year ago
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"As long as you're deemed sound of mind and are able to take the required medication yourself then I think yes you should have a choice if you have a longstanding and degenerative medical condition
I don't think it should be the job of anyone else to medicate you enough that you die
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I definitely agree with this one...as long as you can make the decision yourself and the illness is degenerative then the choice should be yours |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I respect all sides of the argument... and can see the potential of situations occurring where someone might feel obliged to prematurely end their life....
I think each case is unique and therefore it's not pertinent to give one answer intended to provide the correct opinion for every scenario .... "
Totally agree, I have a friend with ms and on a bad day she would opt to end it all but when things are good... She wouldn't even consider it as an option |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Should it be legal? I fir one think so! We all should have the right to go when we please. At the age of 70 or whatever I'd like the option whether to go in tact or not!
What's your _iews?"
you do have the choice, its called suicide. Euthanasia or assisted suicide is always gonna cause contention. I for one think that with good paliative care you can die with dignity. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I remember the Diane Pretty case where her husband was fighting for immunity from prosecution if he assisted his wife to die. Outside the court of humsn rights he said im glad I didnt win cos I can spend more time with her.
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By (user no longer on site)
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As others have said, it's unique to each case. It would have to be very rigorous legally, to ensure the person had the capacity to make that decision & there was no co-ercion. Also to ensure protection for dependants - you wouldn't want to be in the situation where, for example :- a father of young children was allowed to die sooner than naturally only to find insurers, pension companies etc wouldn't pay out what they usually would upon death. He wouldn't want that. So watertight case is needed in my _iew. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes ! But extreme caution and water tight safeguards needed ! My father died of cancer and when he was in his last 24 hours and in discomfort ! He wasn't allowed water only ice cubes in case it made him vomit !!!! I would have preferred he had a beer laced with whatever necessary and we could have touched glasses and said goodbye !  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I remember the Diane Pretty case where her husband was fighting for immunity from prosecution if he assisted his wife to die. Outside the court of humsn rights he said im glad I didnt win cos I can spend more time with her.
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I have told my husband that if im diagnosed with a certain number of conditions then ill be on my way to Austria before they take complete hold of me,motor neurone disease being one of them,while I understand Diane's husband wanting as much time as possible with her I can also understand why Diane wanted the choice to end her life because if I was in the same position I would too |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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Always amazes me how people are dead against an animal suffering and it is almost a no-brainer to end one that isn't going to get better or is in pain and yet, with humans it seems that immense suffering is justified because.... money. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I remember the Diane Pretty case where her husband was fighting for immunity from prosecution if he assisted his wife to die. Outside the court of humsn rights he said im glad I didnt win cos I can spend more time with her.
I have told my husband that if im diagnosed with a certain number of conditions then ill be on my way to Austria before they take complete hold of me,motor neurone disease being one of them,while I understand Diane's husband wanting as much time as possible with her I can also understand why Diane wanted the choice to end her life because if I was in the same position I would too"
She wanted him to assist her suicide because she couldnt do it herself. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Always amazes me how people are dead against an animal suffering and it is almost a no-brainer to end one that isn't going to get better or is in pain and yet, with humans it seems that immense suffering is justified because.... money."
If you are commenting on my post, I wasn't saying anyone should suffer - I was trying to say that people would choose not to end it early , if they thought it would effect their dependants . Hence needs to be water tight . Having lost both parents to cancer , 1 as a child - I've seen it first hand . I would have eased both of their suffering earlier regardless of money I can assure you ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"yes we should all be able to choose when we want to die."
Cool there are some people I would like to help pass on to the next life, be good if I can switch from murderer to mercy full assistant. 
In all seriousness suicide is legal, do it yourself if you want to, but why expect a doctor / nurse / friend to take the hit and do it for you? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Always amazes me how people are dead against an animal suffering and it is almost a no-brainer to end one that isn't going to get better or is in pain and yet, with humans it seems that immense suffering is justified because.... money."
Would you like to be the one that administers the lethal dose of medicine that kills someone?
There isn't a Dr or a nurse that I know who would be willing to agreeably end someones life like that
The possible ramifications that could come back to you would be horrific,for example a battle after the death whereby it turns out that the patient didn't choose to die but felt it benefited the family of vultures that were physically and mentally abusing her for her inheritance
Its not at easy as saying we wouldn't put an animal through that suffering |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Always amazes me how people are dead against an animal suffering and it is almost a no-brainer to end one that isn't going to get better or is in pain and yet, with humans it seems that immense suffering is justified because.... money.
Would you like to be the one that administers the lethal dose of medicine that kills someone?
There isn't a Dr or a nurse that I know who would be willing to agreeably end someones life like that
The possible ramifications that could come back to you would be horrific,for example a battle after the death whereby it turns out that the patient didn't choose to die but felt it benefited the family of vultures that were physically and mentally abusing her for her inheritance
Its not at easy as saying we wouldn't put an animal through that suffering"
Suffering is suffering. What you have just mentioned are some of the many reasons that humans seem to be prepared to let each other suffer.
I've spent time in hospitals and heaven forbid I should actually wither and die in one of those places. I'd almost rather be left on a hillside, even though I know that would mean that the crows would have my eyes and tongue before I died. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've spent time in hospitals and heaven forbid I should actually wither and die in one of those places. I'd almost rather be left on a hillside, even though I know that would mean that the crows would have my eyes and tongue before I died. "
So nobody is stopping you... cover your face and wander off up a hillside, or drink a bottle of whisky and fall asleep in a bathtub whatever YOU want as long as YOU do it... problem with the euthanasia lobby is they want someone else to do it for them.
This is kind of hitting home as my mother has asked me to do it for her if she ever ends up in a home, I said no chance, you are capable of doing it yourself why should I have to make the decision and carry out the act? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Always amazes me how people are dead against an animal suffering and it is almost a no-brainer to end one that isn't going to get better or is in pain and yet, with humans it seems that immense suffering is justified because.... money.
Would you like to be the one that administers the lethal dose of medicine that kills someone?
There isn't a Dr or a nurse that I know who would be willing to agreeably end someones life like that
The possible ramifications that could come back to you would be horrific,for example a battle after the death whereby it turns out that the patient didn't choose to die but felt it benefited the family of vultures that were physically and mentally abusing her for her inheritance
Its not at easy as saying we wouldn't put an animal through that suffering
Suffering is suffering. What you have just mentioned are some of the many reasons that humans seem to be prepared to let each other suffer.
I've spent time in hospitals and heaven forbid I should actually wither and die in one of those places. I'd almost rather be left on a hillside, even though I know that would mean that the crows would have my eyes and tongue before I died. "
As a nurse I would rather not be charged with murder at a later date for ending a life,would you be prepared to end a life of a stranger to reduce suffering and be happy with the consequences to you?
Im anti euthenasia and pro assisted suicide,I believe in choice but if you make that choice then you should be able to end your life,not rely on someone else to do the dirty work  |
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"Always amazes me how people are dead against an animal suffering and it is almost a no-brainer to end one that isn't going to get better or is in pain and yet, with humans it seems that immense suffering is justified because.... money.
Would you like to be the one that administers the lethal dose of medicine that kills someone?
There isn't a Dr or a nurse that I know who would be willing to agreeably end someones life like that
The possible ramifications that could come back to you would be horrific,for example a battle after the death whereby it turns out that the patient didn't choose to die but felt it benefited the family of vultures that were physically and mentally abusing her for her inheritance
Its not at easy as saying we wouldn't put an animal through that suffering"
exactly this! And reason why when this subject is brought up, I can honestly say I have very mixed feelings. Lets not also forgett there are many many individuals who have chronic, progressive illnesses that they are able to control the symptoms and live rewarding lives still. Is a frightening thought for people to think oh i have that so best i kill myself now then! Scarey infact   ( mrs) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Having personal experience ( described earlier ) I think dealing with the last 24 hours would be a start ( cancer on my dads case ) I defiantly think he shud have been spared that !  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Having personal experience ( described earlier ) I think dealing with the last 24 hours would be a start ( cancer on my dads case ) I defiantly think he shud have been spared that ! "
So why didn't you give him a pint of whisky then? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Always amazes me how people are dead against an animal suffering and it is almost a no-brainer to end one that isn't going to get better or is in pain and yet, with humans it seems that immense suffering is justified because.... money."
agreed! |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Always amazes me how people are dead against an animal suffering and it is almost a no-brainer to end one that isn't going to get better or is in pain and yet, with humans it seems that immense suffering is justified because.... money.
Would you like to be the one that administers the lethal dose of medicine that kills someone?
There isn't a Dr or a nurse that I know who would be willing to agreeably end someones life like that
The possible ramifications that could come back to you would be horrific,for example a battle after the death whereby it turns out that the patient didn't choose to die but felt it benefited the family of vultures that were physically and mentally abusing her for her inheritance
Its not at easy as saying we wouldn't put an animal through that suffering
Suffering is suffering. What you have just mentioned are some of the many reasons that humans seem to be prepared to let each other suffer.
I've spent time in hospitals and heaven forbid I should actually wither and die in one of those places. I'd almost rather be left on a hillside, even though I know that would mean that the crows would have my eyes and tongue before I died.
As a nurse I would rather not be charged with murder at a later date for ending a life,would you be prepared to end a life of a stranger to reduce suffering and be happy with the consequences to you?
Im anti euthenasia and pro assisted suicide,I believe in choice but if you make that choice then you should be able to end your life,not rely on someone else to do the dirty work "
I understand all that - my point was a wider one, really.
For example - we have had in place since...history, legal frameworks and ramifications for the (involuntary) euthenasia of people we have conflicts with. We train thousands of people for this purpose, and yet we have nothing in place for mercy killing.
The notion that you can do it yourself is all well and good, but this makes no allowance for the physically incapacitated. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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We have just found out one of our friends can go at anytime. Diagnosed with bowell cancer few weeks ago inoperable. They are trying to fast track her home. Does she want to die no. She has good paliative care support. Shes 42. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Yes
I have a close family friend that suffers with MS and it has already been discussed, my parents are her carers and will take her to Sweden when the time comes, I fully understand and support this and would do the same for someone I care for and hope someone could do it for me if the situation ever arose as I know for certain I would wish to go on my terms |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I remember the Diane Pretty case where her husband was fighting for immunity from prosecution if he assisted his wife to die. Outside the court of humsn rights he said im glad I didnt win cos I can spend more time with her.
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But that's horribly selfish. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Always amazes me how people are dead against an animal suffering and it is almost a no-brainer to end one that isn't going to get better or is in pain and yet, with humans it seems that immense suffering is justified because.... money.
agreed!"
Yes it should be legal for those that want it. Irrespective of their family's wishes. The person's choice. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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we have been playing god by keeping people alive, through medicines, for decades, if not undreds of years, so why shouldnt we play god by being allowed to end lives prematurely, if the person so wishes it.
i have already stated i will be retiring at the end of a rope (or some other means of which to do myself in) as i dont want to be a useless old man (im already a useless younger man).
the argument that it goes against the hypocratic oath, or is against the teachings of god (from a religious aspect) dont stand up to scrutiny when you look at it closely.
and, of course, we are happy enough to put pets out of their misery, yet force our relatives and loved ones to live through ell until the physically give up.
yeah, we are such a lovely race arent we. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I can only imagine it would work if it was a process overseen by various heavily regulated agencies. It should only be given to people who might as well be dead and not simply people who want to be dead. Therefore it should be based upon a quality of life assessment combined with a wish to die and then squared by an in depth study of what impact this would have upon any relatives and potential benefactors.
A very very complex issue imo |
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It's a difficult one. I think you should have the right to choose to die if you are terminally ill or will have no quality of life but as others have said, it is too open to abuse.
People would need to be considered of sound mind and able to take the medication themselves but I've always told Vince that if I had an accident or illness that left me completely paralysed, I wouldn't want to live. - But I also wouldn't expect anyone else to live with the burden of assisting me, plus, how could it be proved that I wanted to die if I had no way of being able to communicate?
- Amy. x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I should admit that I am religiously against euthanasia. But perhaps it is not so much a religious problem as a humanitarian one? I can see the pros and cons...so getting splinters in my arse sitting on the fence 
Suicide often has a negative impact upon those that are left behind. If euthanasia is simply state assisted suicide then I'm against it. If, however, it's more about putting someone out of their misery...and that misery is something real and permanent. Hmmm that's a difficult one  |
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I have a close family friend that suffers with MS and it has already been discussed, my parents are her carers and will take her to Sweden when the time comes, I fully understand and support this and would do the same for someone I care for and hope someone could do it for me if the situation ever arose as I know for certain I would wish to go on my terms "
is how people perceive things. Having MS is not a death sentence, and does not mean the person with it , will automatically end up in a wheel chair etc. The fear of that can and does effect people who have it... And heard of one lady who did go abroard and kill herself purley on the fear of that happening alone peoples choices and decisions... However can others live with that guilt if actually assisting another to do that? Opens up a huge can of worms |
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There are sone who would say to a degree this is infact already going on... Cancer patients who are given huge doses of morphine to help them on their way... Or elderly refused ressusitation or food/ fluids on the say so of family members... This is happening now! |
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This is an issue full of ethical dilemmas...
But I would say there are 2 conflicting ethical questions that need to be resolved.
Firstly, it is inherently inhumane to force anyone to continue to live because of the 'sanctity of human' life when they are in such pain and distress that if they were any other living creature we would consider it criminal to keep them alive and suffering, and therefore assisted dying should be legal.
However in direct conflict with the above is that no Doctor (or any other medical professional) should ever be allowed to act in a way that is harmful to their patients, and should not be placed in a position where they are asked to participate in any way in the deliberate ending of a human life.
Given that the two above statements are to all intents correct surely the question is: Is there anyone/body who is competent and trustworthy enough to judge who should be allowed to end their lives and to accommodate and assist in the killing?
I don't have an answer to the above, but I do know I don't want medics involved in delibratly taking life. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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i think if you are in sound mind your GP could give you a prescription for something to help you on your way peacefully, you can be in control of your own destiny then. I have quite a few health problems and i dont want to end up being a burden on my family so I am in favour of it providing it is only the actual patient asking for it, not relatives etc., etc., |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Desmond Tutu and Carey are in favour of assisted dying. It's ok for them, they're archbishops. They know where they are going when it happens  "
Wont they be shocked when granted an audience before god due to their status and SHE says hello |
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"yes we should all be able to choose when we want to die.
Cool there are some people I would like to help pass on to the next life, be good if I can switch from murderer to mercy full assistant.
In all seriousness suicide is legal, do it yourself if you want to, but why expect a doctor / nurse / friend to take the hit and do it for you? "
suicide is not legal . If you you commit suicide then all pensions life insurance etc become null and void. So any financial help you could give to your family has gone. Also if you believe in God it is an eternal sin and you cannot be buried on consecrated ground (church yard) |
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We own our bodies and lives if not much more and should have the right to assisted death. I would consider it for myself if I was at the wrong point in health and suffering, and it is silly to have to travel abroad to do this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes
I have a close family friend that suffers with MS and it has already been discussed, my parents are her carers and will take her to Sweden when the time comes, I fully understand and support this and would do the same for someone I care for and hope someone could do it for me if the situation ever arose as I know for certain I would wish to go on my terms is how people perceive things. Having MS is not a death sentence, and does not mean the person with it , will automatically end up in a wheel chair etc. The fear of that can and does effect people who have it... And heard of one lady who did go abroard and kill herself purley on the fear of that happening alone peoples choices and decisions... However can others live with that guilt if actually assisting another to do that? Opens up a huge can of worms "
In this case it is a death sentence, she is in a wheelchair and eventually will lose the ability to swallow so it is incredibly likely she will choke to death, fact told to her by the medical professionals. No guilt here if you love someone then you support them and their choices in my book even if you don't fully agree with them. If my parents can't take her then I will and no guilt will ever be felt by me just a sense of doing the right thing by her |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Ok here's a thought. Should the process of assisted death be mechanised?
I ask this because I think it's too much to ask someone to go round killing innocent people just because at that point they want to die. I know I wouldn't want that on my hands and I certainly wouldn't like to ask it of another. If we let robots kill people it therefore gets rid of that problem...but it raises 2 others...1) by walking away from what we know will be a murder we could stop we are still implicated and 2) the rise of skynet and the terminators aggghhh |
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"Yes
I have a close family friend that suffers with MS and it has already been discussed, my parents are her carers and will take her to Sweden when the time comes, I fully understand and support this and would do the same for someone I care for and hope someone could do it for me if the situation ever arose as I know for certain I would wish to go on my terms is how people perceive things. Having MS is not a death sentence, and does not mean the person with it , will automatically end up in a wheel chair etc. The fear of that can and does effect people who have it... And heard of one lady who did go abroard and kill herself purley on the fear of that happening alone peoples choices and decisions... However can others live with that guilt if actually assisting another to do that? Opens up a huge can of worms
In this case it is a death sentence, she is in a wheelchair and eventually will lose the ability to swallow so it is incredibly likely she will choke to death, fact told to her by the medical professionals. No guilt here if you love someone then you support them and their choices in my book even if you don't fully agree with them. If my parents can't take her then I will and no guilt will ever be felt by me just a sense of doing the right thing by her "
Very sad for all concerned have known personally of several people actually in this severe progression of MS .... And is the complecations that it caused which lead to the end. Can't help but think also, that people newly diagnosed with MS automatically think this is how they will end up... Panic and want to take their lives .,. ( Have known of two such people ) This awfull disease , as well as other long term chronic conditions can in many cases also be controled... Awfull situation to be in and wish your friend all the best |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes
I have a close family friend that suffers with MS and it has already been discussed, my parents are her carers and will take her to Sweden when the time comes, I fully understand and support this and would do the same for someone I care for and hope someone could do it for me if the situation ever arose as I know for certain I would wish to go on my terms is how people perceive things. Having MS is not a death sentence, and does not mean the person with it , will automatically end up in a wheel chair etc. The fear of that can and does effect people who have it... And heard of one lady who did go abroard and kill herself purley on the fear of that happening alone peoples choices and decisions... However can others live with that guilt if actually assisting another to do that? Opens up a huge can of worms
In this case it is a death sentence, she is in a wheelchair and eventually will lose the ability to swallow so it is incredibly likely she will choke to death, fact told to her by the medical professionals. No guilt here if you love someone then you support them and their choices in my book even if you don't fully agree with them. If my parents can't take her then I will and no guilt will ever be felt by me just a sense of doing the right thing by her Very sad for all concerned have known personally of several people actually in this severe progression of MS .... And is the complecations that it caused which lead to the end. Can't help but think also, that people newly diagnosed with MS automatically think this is how they will end up... Panic and want to take their lives .,. ( Have known of two such people ) This awfull disease , as well as other long term chronic conditions can in many cases also be controled... Awfull situation to be in and wish your friend all the best "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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For other people...absolutely; if they want the choice to end their life the way they want, that is their right.
For me...absolutely not under any circumstances. And particularly not if I still have all my cognitive facilties regardless of my physical condition. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
My mum had two terminal illnesses for years. She did not opt to die. She wanted as much life as she could.
Don't assume that if you do become terminally ill you would automatically choose deadeath. The lure of life is extremely powerful.
And my mum had MS which did take away her quality of life. She did suffer yet still chose to hang on as long as she could. She felt the suffering was worth it.
How would I feel in the same situation? I have no idea. Unless it happens to you no one would know. |
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By *wosWoman
over a year ago
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Hubby was "lucky" enough to pass relatively suddenly and quickly . Along the way ,we and the doctors had many "if I was a dog" conversations . I know in my heart how difficult it would have become , if he had had to waste away in a hospital bed . And I also know I have no intention of that ever happening to me , fighting's all well and good , but there needs to be a point to say 'no more '. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
"Hubby was "lucky" enough to pass relatively suddenly and quickly . Along the way ,we and the doctors had many "if I was a dog" conversations . I know in my heart how difficult it would have become , if he had had to waste away in a hospital bed . And I also know I have no intention of that ever happening to me , fighting's all well and good , but there needs to be a point to say 'no more '."
People should have that choice but no one else. There is enough abuse of DNRs as it is. |
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By *wosWoman
over a year ago
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"Hubby was "lucky" enough to pass relatively suddenly and quickly . Along the way ,we and the doctors had many "if I was a dog" conversations . I know in my heart how difficult it would have become , if he had had to waste away in a hospital bed . And I also know I have no intention of that ever happening to me , fighting's all well and good , but there needs to be a point to say 'no more '.
People should have that choice but no one else. There is enough abuse of DNRs as it is."
He begged to get a DNR put on his file but never got one .. being pulled aside and asked his _iews on ventilation at the end , was hardest conversation I ever had |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
"Hubby was "lucky" enough to pass relatively suddenly and quickly . Along the way ,we and the doctors had many "if I was a dog" conversations . I know in my heart how difficult it would have become , if he had had to waste away in a hospital bed . And I also know I have no intention of that ever happening to me , fighting's all well and good , but there needs to be a point to say 'no more '.
People should have that choice but no one else. There is enough abuse of DNRs as it is.
He begged to get a DNR put on his file but never got one .. being pulled aside and asked his _iews on ventilation at the end , was hardest conversation I ever had "
When my dad was dying they put a DNR on his notes without asking. I noticed and collared the doctor. We then had to have a difficult conversation with my mum who chose to leave it on. But it was upsetting to not be consulted in the first place. |
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By *wosWoman
over a year ago
east london |
"Hubby was "lucky" enough to pass relatively suddenly and quickly . Along the way ,we and the doctors had many "if I was a dog" conversations . I know in my heart how difficult it would have become , if he had had to waste away in a hospital bed . And I also know I have no intention of that ever happening to me , fighting's all well and good , but there needs to be a point to say 'no more '.
People should have that choice but no one else. There is enough abuse of DNRs as it is.
He begged to get a DNR put on his file but never got one .. being pulled aside and asked his _iews on ventilation at the end , was hardest conversation I ever had
When my dad was dying they put a DNR on his notes without asking. I noticed and collared the doctor. We then had to have a difficult conversation with my mum who chose to leave it on. But it was upsetting to not be consulted in the first place. "
Hear that a lot the doctors need to know they're not God , ok, so maybe it's the best way to go , but family should be consulted , not go finding it out like that |
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By *itzWoman
over a year ago
south wales |
"There are sone who would say to a degree this is infact already going on... Cancer patients who are given huge doses of morphine to help them on their way... Or elderly refused ressusitation or food/ fluids on the say so of family members... This is happening now! "
I am glad you raised this issue. We already have a form of euthanasia in this country which never seems to be included in any debate on the subject. I have watched 2 family members die after the decision was made to withdraw nutrition and fluids, everything except for drugs and mouthwash. One family member was very old and one in their late fifties. Both times it was a suggestion made by doctors to the family, presented as the best option for the patient who in both cases did not have the capacity to consent (the younger was too medicated to consent, the older had dementia). The family agreed to what option was presented to them as best, and we watched those 2 people starve/dehydrate to death over 4 to 5 days. Once the decision had been made to withdraw everything apart from drugs, this was never re_iewed as far as I am aware.
To me, this needs to be central to the euthanasia debate in this country. The decision was made by a doctor, agreed to by the family and not re_iewed during the course of the 'pathway'. What would have been the difference if when the decision was made, we all said goodbye, and they were given medication to end it there and then. The only difference i can see is that they wouldnt have had to suffer starvation/dehydration to death over several days. Both were medicated for pain and agitation but I would think even then this must be a very painful way to die. |
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"There are sone who would say to a degree this is infact already going on... Cancer patients who are given huge doses of morphine to help them on their way... Or elderly refused ressusitation or food/ fluids on the say so of family members... This is happening now!
I am glad you raised this issue. We already have a form of euthanasia in this country which never seems to be included in any debate on the subject. I have watched 2 family members die after the decision was made to withdraw nutrition and fluids, everything except for drugs and mouthwash. One family member was very old and one in their late fifties. Both times it was a suggestion made by doctors to the family, presented as the best option for the patient who in both cases did not have the capacity to consent (the younger was too medicated to consent, the older had dementia). The family agreed to what option was presented to them as best, and we watched those 2 people starve/dehydrate to death over 4 to 5 days. Once the decision had been made to withdraw everything apart from drugs, this was never re_iewed as far as I am aware.
To me, this needs to be central to the euthanasia debate in this country. The decision was made by a doctor, agreed to by the family and not re_iewed during the course of the 'pathway'. What would have been the difference if when the decision was made, we all said goodbye, and they were given medication to end it there and then. The only difference i can see is that they wouldnt have had to suffer starvation/dehydration to death over several days. Both were medicated for pain and agitation but I would think even then this must be a very painful way to die."
no one in this day and age needs suffer pain. In any way , shape or form. Have had personal experience too ... High doses of morphine when death is near ... No pain and quietly slipping away ... As for the no fluids/ food ... I can't get me head around that at all ... To me that is barbaric.
Clearly something needs to be done in the uk. But it has to be a water tight solution. No good if great aunt mable laying there with her millions in the bank, and the only family member who is there to " assist" is also only there for the money! Extream example, but without safe guards this kinda thing could infact happen . Not every one is a nice person after all . |
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By *itzWoman
over a year ago
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Am I the only one to have seen this? With 2 different people?
I dont think either of them were in agony the whole time, please dont get me wrong. There was certainly some discomfort at times, but if either of them became agitated or tried to leave they were promptly given more drugs, for sedation and pain. I am aware that all sorts of things happen when the body is shutting down - agitation and confusion can be some of them. But it cant really be a pleasant way to die, if there is one, and I wouldnt choose it for myself. Is it possible to know, certainly, if someone is in pain while they are sedated? |
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over a year ago
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"Should it be legal? I fir one think so! We all should have the right to go when we please. At the age of 70 or whatever I'd like the option whether to go in tact or not!
What's your _iews?"
hey if a person chooses to die because they can't function without mechanical aid I think it should ,I would want that |
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"Should it be legal? I fir one think so! We all should have the right to go when we please. At the age of 70 or whatever I'd like the option whether to go in tact or not!
What's your _iews? hey if a person chooses to die because they can't function without mechanical aid I think it should ,I would want that "
I wouldn't; but I respect that others may feel that way |
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over a year ago
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"Am I the only one to have seen this? With 2 different people?
I dont think either of them were in agony the whole time, please dont get me wrong. There was certainly some discomfort at times, but if either of them became agitated or tried to leave they were promptly given more drugs, for sedation and pain. I am aware that all sorts of things happen when the body is shutting down - agitation and confusion can be some of them. But it cant really be a pleasant way to die, if there is one, and I wouldnt choose it for myself. Is it possible to know, certainly, if someone is in pain while they are sedated?"
Likewise have seen close family pass away in similar circumstances & although there was certainly confusion, anxiety and at times, pain I really don't know for sure whether any of them would have chosen to end it or whether in the most part, the drugs were actually keeping the pain at bay.
With suitable legal provisos in place, I think euthanasia should be an available option. Would I take that option? Possibly, but would very much depend upon the circumstances |
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By *itzWoman
over a year ago
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"Am I the only one to have seen this? With 2 different people?
I dont think either of them were in agony the whole time, please dont get me wrong. There was certainly some discomfort at times, but if either of them became agitated or tried to leave they were promptly given more drugs, for sedation and pain. I am aware that all sorts of things happen when the body is shutting down - agitation and confusion can be some of them. But it cant really be a pleasant way to die, if there is one, and I wouldnt choose it for myself. Is it possible to know, certainly, if someone is in pain while they are sedated?
Likewise have seen close family pass away in similar circumstances & although there was certainly confusion, anxiety and at times, pain I really don't know for sure whether any of them would have chosen to end it or whether in the most part, the drugs were actually keeping the pain at bay.
With suitable legal provisos in place, I think euthanasia should be an available option. Would I take that option? Possibly, but would very much depend upon the circumstances"
Thanks for posting Devon. I was beginning to think they were isolated cases. RIP your family members and mine, they are not suffering anymore xxx |
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One thing I've never understood about euthanasia and by extension, suicide (though I am of course not knocking anyone's right to do it)
Given that not a single one of us knows for definite what, if anything lies beyond death, why is death a more preferable alternative to life, however painful, debilitating or mentally diminished? How do you know what lies beyond (if anything) will be any better?
I'm not being insensitive at all and I have nothing but sympathy for people who have had personal experience of these issues, I've just never seen the rationality or logic behind that thinking. Seems a bit of a massive gamble if you ask me. |
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"One thing I've never understood about euthanasia and by extension, suicide (though I am of course not knocking anyone's right to do it)
Given that not a single one of us knows for definite what, if anything lies beyond death, why is death a more preferable alternative to life, however painful, debilitating or mentally diminished? How do you know what lies beyond (if anything) will be any better?
I'm not being insensitive at all and I have nothing but sympathy for people who have had personal experience of these issues, I've just never seen the rationality or logic behind that thinking. Seems a bit of a massive gamble if you ask me."
true .... but if you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much space |
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"One thing I've never understood about euthanasia and by extension, suicide (though I am of course not knocking anyone's right to do it)
Given that not a single one of us knows for definite what, if anything lies beyond death, why is death a more preferable alternative to life, however painful, debilitating or mentally diminished? How do you know what lies beyond (if anything) will be any better?
I'm not being insensitive at all and I have nothing but sympathy for people who have had personal experience of these issues, I've just never seen the rationality or logic behind that thinking. Seems a bit of a massive gamble if you ask me."
very good point! |
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