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"Gove is no longer the education minister. " Think the guy was bullied at school!!  | |||
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"Are they getting longer summer holidays?" No just a day off to celebrate. | |||
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"Are they getting longer summer holidays? No just a day off to celebrate. " And an inset day on how to celebrate | |||
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"Gove is no longer the education minister. " I'm not a teacher or anything like but I'm pleased he's gone. | |||
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"Gove is no longer the education minister. I'm not a teacher or anything like but I'm pleased he's gone. " me too but this lady holds some views that I wonder if they will bode well for a curriculum that in my view should be inclusive and diverse. But as I said I'll hang on and see. | |||
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"Why is everyone pleased? All he did was to try and raise standards in schools. The last government dumbed down everything and employers just laugh at what schools turn out and the supposed qualifications in joke subjects that they come out with." How did they dumb it down? | |||
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"Why is everyone pleased? All he did was to try and raise standards in schools. The last government dumbed down everything and employers just laugh at what schools turn out and the supposed qualifications in joke subjects that they come out with." What supposed qualifications in joke subjects? | |||
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" Education standards have improved dramatically. Unfortunately it makes better press to slate the profession and the perceived jolly they have all the time. Let's not forget that the pupil and guardians carry responsibility for the end product too." I don't think anyone is slating the profession. Teachers on the whole were at loggerheads with Mr Gove. His intentions were I am sure worthy but I do think his methodology was very badly planned. | |||
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"Why is everyone pleased? All he did was to try and raise standards in schools. The last government dumbed down everything and employers just laugh at what schools turn out and the supposed qualifications in joke subjects that they come out with." He was ideologically driven and a meddler who made a very demanding job even harder for those in the profession. The worry is where he will bowl up next,  | |||
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"Do you think these people have any choice in what they do. They are put in their positions to do the prime ministers bidding..." People knew where Gove was headed long before the Government sneaked their way into power | |||
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"Are they getting longer summer holidays? No just a day off to celebrate. And an inset day on how to celebrate " dont forget the teacher training day off so they can tutor the kids on how the inset day works so they can organize the day off | |||
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"Are they getting longer summer holidays? No just a day off to celebrate. And an inset day on how to celebrate dont forget the teacher training day off so they can tutor the kids on how the inset day works so they can organize the day off" Good for them - all deserved. None of us want a knackered teacher teaching our kids do we? | |||
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"Hello all, I think that his ideas were good and that it is long overdue what he was doing to raise standards. For too long we have had the professional teachers having their own way in how schools were run with the very real deterioration in academic standards. I trust the his replacement will carry on in the same vein? Alec" There's a lot of irony in that statement but you wouldn't understand unless you understood the system. | |||
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" He's been made chief whip." Sorry, did you say dick? | |||
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"Why is everyone pleased? All he did was to try and raise standards in schools. The last government dumbed down everything and employers just laugh at what schools turn out and the supposed qualifications in joke subjects that they come out with."  | |||
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"Bad news for the rest of the country as a whole, he is now a "chief whip" Not a bondage whip. Not a walnut whip. But a "Chief Whip" WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK IS A CHIEF WHIP ANYWAY? Sounds ominous. "They tell backbench MPs what to do. | |||
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"Bad news for the rest of the country as a whole, he is now a "chief whip" Not a bondage whip. Not a walnut whip. But a "Chief Whip" WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK IS A CHIEF WHIP ANYWAY? Sounds ominous.
They tell backbench MPs what to do."Heh, that wont last. | |||
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"Hello all, I think that his ideas were good and that it is long overdue what he was doing to raise standards. For too long we have had the professional teachers having their own way in how schools were run with the very real deterioration in academic standards. I trust the his replacement will carry on in the same vein? Alec" I do love a bit of irony... .. you were being ironic, weren't you? | |||
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"Well the new education secretary is keeping her job as minister for women too; nice to know that these areas are considered such a priority that one person can cover both. She also happens to be a career politician who voted against same sex marriage so I'm sure diversity and inclusivity will be top of her agenda. "Typical tory then.(and I know that's a lazy comment but it's still valid) | |||
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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news " Yeah, teaching is pretty much a part time job, | |||
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"Well the new education secretary is keeping her job as minister for women too; nice to know that these areas are considered such a priority that one person can cover both. She also happens to be a career politician who voted against same sex marriage so I'm sure diversity and inclusivity will be top of her agenda. "this is my worry as I said earlier. I'm just going to wait and see. | |||
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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news Yeah, teaching is pretty much a part time job, " .
I wonder who it is who runs all the after school clubs and gets lessons ready, attends parent teacher meetings, keeps up to date in their subject matter, writes reports, marks books etc etc.....it must be that teacher fairy | |||
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"Hello all, I think that his ideas were good and that it is long overdue what he was doing to raise standards. For too long we have had the professional teachers having their own way in how schools were run with the very real deterioration in academic standards. I trust the his replacement will carry on in the same vein? Alec I do love a bit of irony... .. you were being ironic, weren't you? "nowt worse than professionals thinking they know better than an amateur is there? i would gladly allow him to fix the brakes of my car or the electrics in my house. | |||
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"Gove is no longer the education minister. " What a let down they were hoping for another 8 weeks holiday. | |||
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"Gove is no longer the education minister. What a let down they were hoping for another 8 weeks holiday. " were they? That's news to me. | |||
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" Education standards have improved dramatically. Unfortunately it makes better press to slate the profession and the perceived jolly they have all the time. Let's not forget that the pupil and guardians carry responsibility for the end product too." | |||
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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news " I know of no teacher who only works from eight till four. Except possibly your English teacher. | |||
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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news I know of no teacher who only works from eight till four. Except possibly your English teacher. " that made me do a little snorty noise from my nose | |||
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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news I know of no teacher who only works from eight till four. Except possibly your English teacher. " ROFL | |||
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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news I know of no teacher who only works from eight till four. Except possibly your English teacher. that made me do a little snorty noise from my nose "I did too | |||
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"Are they getting longer summer holidays?" they will want more holidays | |||
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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news " I've seen grown men and women cry or turn into gibbering wrecks after their first day of teaching practice. But, yeah - it's a piece of piss to do the job, isn't it. Or perhaps it is easier to make ill informed comments from the sidelines.  | |||
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"Are they getting longer summer holidays? they will want more holidays " are you a teacher? I'm wondering how you know what "they" will want? | |||
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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news I've seen grown men and women cry or turn into gibbering wrecks after their first day of teaching practice. But, yeah - it's a piece of piss to do the job, isn't it. Or perhaps it is easier to make ill informed comments from the sidelines. "One thing's for sure most of us except for the home schooled will have come into contact with a professional teacher for good or ill. I find it astounding that many people imagine that a person can turn up in a classroom at 9 am and teach for example physics, go home at 4 and have made no preparation at all, doesn't need to keep up with advances being made in science or read around their subject, has no need to mark or set homework or write reports etc. The teaching profession must be failing in a big way if people can't think about something intelligently before giving an opinion like that. School holidays are long for the benefit of children and were historically set around the farming calendar so that kids could help out, teachers are paid a salary for the weeks that they do work evened out over twelve months. If anyone would like to have the same holidays they should qualify as a teacher and become entitled to all the benefits on offer. | |||
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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news I know of no teacher who only works from eight till four. Except possibly your English teacher. " Oh I do love genuinely witty people! That comment made my day | |||
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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news " The funniest yet saddest comment I've seen on the forum for a while. Of course teaching is an 8-4 job, none of them have planning to do for an average of between 5-8 or even more lessons a day, marking of an average of 150-300 books/pieces of work daily, attending parents evenings (2/3 times a year and with some parents regularly), open days and evenings, fundraising events, school fairs, production nights, have extracurricular activities over lunchtimes and after school, planning and implementing ILPS for the children in their class, attending regular meetings, writing invidual reports for every child they teach, attending sports events, going on residential trips, researching and planning trips related to the curriculum, getting to terms with the ever changing curriculum and policies put in place, providing an educational environment ie displays all around the classrooms and school...OBVIOUSLY it's not the teachers that do that in their OWN TIME, I mean they only get in 5 minutes before the children do, leave 5 minutes after the children do and are far too busy enjoying all that time they have off and spending their salary after only working school hours! It's the imaginary fairies that do all of them things, teachers just swan in and teach. Give me a break! | |||
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"Are they getting longer summer holidays? they will want more holidays are you a teacher? I'm wondering how you know what "they" will want?" 
they should just shut up and put up . Decent salary, decent holidays , decent working hrs but its still not enough | |||
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"Are they getting longer summer holidays? they will want more holidays are you a teacher? I'm wondering how you know what "they" will want?
they should just shut up and put up . Decent salary, decent holidays , decent working hrs but its still not enough "put up and shut up about what? | |||
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"Are they getting longer summer holidays? they will want more holidays are you a teacher? I'm wondering how you know what "they" will want?
they should just shut up and put up . Decent salary, decent holidays , decent working hrs but its still not enough "You've obviously not read the points above before saying what you've just said. Yep, teachers get a decent salary. So do others. What is actaully wrong with that? Working hours? I used to work approx 55 - 60 hours per week in term time. I now work 37 hours per week(in a different job, less well paid). If I work extra hours I can finsh earlier the next day. Holidays? I used to work at least 30 hours during 1/2 term and one week of the three main holidays- closer to 50 hours in summer 1/2 term when reports and end of year assessments were written. That left me with 7 weeks 'real holiday' - only one more than I get now. Over the whole year I worked many more hours as a teacher than I do now. Teachers do get a decent wage but they work much, much harder with more pressure that many others. Why don't we all pick on a different profession next week. Any suggestions? (Personally I've always resented the fact that milkmen are finsihed by lunch-time....) | |||
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"Are they getting longer summer holidays? they will want more holidays are you a teacher? I'm wondering how you know what "they" will want?
they should just shut up and put up . Decent salary, decent holidays , decent working hrs but its still not enough "Are you suggesting that the people responsible for educating this nation'c children aren;t deserving of that? | |||
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"Are they getting longer summer holidays? they will want more holidays are you a teacher? I'm wondering how you know what "they" will want?
they should just shut up and put up . Decent salary, decent holidays , decent working hrs but its still not enough
Are you suggesting that the people responsible for educating this nation'c children aren;t deserving of that?"Lots of people think that the care and education of our children is a task not worthy of proper remuneration, many of these same people will happily see a footballer paid thousands a week though. | |||
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"Gove is no longer the education minister. Think the guy was bullied at school!! "He would be if he came to our school  | |||
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"Are they getting longer summer holidays? they will want more holidays are you a teacher? I'm wondering how you know what "they" will want?
they should just shut up and put up . Decent salary, decent holidays , decent working hrs but its still not enough
Are you suggesting that the people responsible for educating this nation'c children aren;t deserving of that?"It's only child care. | |||
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"Gove is no longer the education minister. " Good news for teachers, but bad news for those at school. Looks like there will be another generation of people that can not spell, read and punctuate properly. However, at least the teachers are happy. | |||
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"Gove is no longer the education minister. Good news for teachers, but bad news for those at school. Looks like there will be another generation of people that can not spell, read and punctuate properly. However, at least the teachers are happy." cannot (one word) | |||
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"Gove is no longer the education minister. Good news for teachers, but bad news for those at school. Looks like there will be another generation of people that can not spell, read and punctuate properly. However, at least the teachers are happy." Was Gove managing to teach the whole nation single handed? Blimey, we don't need teachers at all then. Gove is claiming success on SATS results in schools he forced to become academies without recognising the teaching and learning that went on before. The predictions for each year tell a different story: those pupils were already on track to do well. | |||
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"Gove is no longer the education minister. Good news for teachers, but bad news for those at school. Looks like there will be another generation of people that can not spell, read and punctuate properly. However, at least the teachers are happy. cannot (one word)" Both cannot and can not are acceptable english. | |||
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"Gove is no longer the education minister. Good news for teachers, but bad news for those at school. Looks like there will be another generation of people that can not spell, read and punctuate properly. However, at least the teachers are happy. Was Gove managing to teach the whole nation single handed? Blimey, we don't need teachers at all then. Gove is claiming success on SATS results in schools he forced to become academies without recognising the teaching and learning that went on before. The predictions for each year tell a different story: those pupils were already on track to do well. " Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification, but the teachers interfered and successfully stopped it from being implemented. | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification" He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job. | |||
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"Gove is no longer the education minister. Good news for teachers, but bad news for those at school. Looks like there will be another generation of people that can not spell, read and punctuate properly. However, at least the teachers are happy. Was Gove managing to teach the whole nation single handed? Blimey, we don't need teachers at all then. Gove is claiming success on SATS results in schools he forced to become academies without recognising the teaching and learning that went on before. The predictions for each year tell a different story: those pupils were already on track to do well. Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification, but the teachers interfered and successfully stopped it from being implemented." If you mean the English Baccalaureate then top streamed pupils are generally entered for it anyway. You can't just change the curriculum and teaching for a whole cohort just before an exam. There are flaws in our education system but the biggest one that I find is not the teaching and learning but the support from families and other interested parties. Parents that don't respect what teachers do undermine the teacher before the child has even entered the classroom. Parents that do nothing to support the system of school (pulling children out when it suits and complaining about the inconvenience of schools being closed for whatever reason) send a message. Parents that don't support homework create problems. More than that though the main problem is parents not even preparing their children to enter school by failing to teach them to use the toilet, to sit still, to listen and to be interested in learning. | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job."Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline. | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job."From what I understand, He wanted a diploma based qualification like the International Baccalaureate. | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
From what I understand, He wanted a diploma based qualification like the International Baccalaureate."As I have mentioned the English Baccalaureate is being used in many schools for top streamed pupils. Schools have always had a choice about examination boards. | |||
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"Gove is no longer the education minister. Good news for teachers, but bad news for those at school. Looks like there will be another generation of people that can not spell, read and punctuate properly. However, at least the teachers are happy. Was Gove managing to teach the whole nation single handed? Blimey, we don't need teachers at all then. Gove is claiming success on SATS results in schools he forced to become academies without recognising the teaching and learning that went on before. The predictions for each year tell a different story: those pupils were already on track to do well. Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification, but the teachers interfered and successfully stopped it from being implemented. If you mean the English Baccalaureate then top streamed pupils are generally entered for it anyway. You can't just change the curriculum and teaching for a whole cohort just before an exam. There are flaws in our education system but the biggest one that I find is not the teaching and learning but the support from families and other interested parties. Parents that don't respect what teachers do undermine the teacher before the child has even entered the classroom. Parents that do nothing to support the system of school (pulling children out when it suits and complaining about the inconvenience of schools being closed for whatever reason) send a message. Parents that don't support homework create problems. More than that though the main problem is parents not even preparing their children to enter school by failing to teach them to use the toilet, to sit still, to listen and to be interested in learning. " I never implied that the educational system is the only problem, but it is a problem. I agree, parents should take some personal responsibility and prepare their kids for school, particularly non-academic things like using the toilet properly. However, when it comes to the academic work, many parents either can't do homework themselves or do not have the time to do it. | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.
"No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc. Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum. | |||
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"Gove is no longer the education minister. Good news for teachers, but bad news for those at school. Looks like there will be another generation of people that can not spell, read and punctuate properly. However, at least the teachers are happy. Was Gove managing to teach the whole nation single handed? Blimey, we don't need teachers at all then. Gove is claiming success on SATS results in schools he forced to become academies without recognising the teaching and learning that went on before. The predictions for each year tell a different story: those pupils were already on track to do well. Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification, but the teachers interfered and successfully stopped it from being implemented. If you mean the English Baccalaureate then top streamed pupils are generally entered for it anyway. You can't just change the curriculum and teaching for a whole cohort just before an exam. There are flaws in our education system but the biggest one that I find is not the teaching and learning but the support from families and other interested parties. Parents that don't respect what teachers do undermine the teacher before the child has even entered the classroom. Parents that do nothing to support the system of school (pulling children out when it suits and complaining about the inconvenience of schools being closed for whatever reason) send a message. Parents that don't support homework create problems. More than that though the main problem is parents not even preparing their children to enter school by failing to teach them to use the toilet, to sit still, to listen and to be interested in learning. " this | |||
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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news " Oh crap, where is this magical school where teachers work 8-4? I am usually at work for 7.30/45am and am lucky if I leave before 6.30pm. That's a 55hr week. If you add it all up, it equals out the holidays. Plus I usually have to spend one day a weekend doing school stuff, go into school during half term and at least the week before the kids come back to get the classroom ready. Like I always tell people with your view on teachers work loads... go volunteer in a school for a few weeks. Then we can talk. | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.
No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.
Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum."I know what he said, I also know what has happened to the curriculum and how this well rounded education was to be constrained to the books he thought were worth reading and the history he thought was worth learning. I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years. The Great British Boarding schools have one advantage over day schools: they have the children for longer in the day. There is room for sport and drama as that forms part of the entertainment and keeping the children busy in the afternoons and evenings. Homework is patrolled so it is done. Class sizes are smaller. You can't replicate that by ignoring the factors that allow it to be so. | |||
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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news Oh crap, where is this magical school where teachers work 8-4? I am usually at work for 7.30/45am and am lucky if I leave before 6.30pm. That's a 55hr week. If you add it all up, it equals out the holidays. Plus I usually have to spend one day a weekend doing school stuff, go into school during half term and at least the week before the kids come back to get the classroom ready. Like I always tell people with your view on teachers work loads... go volunteer in a school for a few weeks. Then we can talk." Absolutely! | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
From what I understand, He wanted a diploma based qualification like the International Baccalaureate.
As I have mentioned the English Baccalaureate is being used in many schools for top streamed pupils. Schools have always had a choice about examination boards.
"Yes and that is a problem he wanted to fix. All what competing examination boards have done is to promote a culture where the schools select the examination board that offers the easiest curriculum and examinations. Over the years, standards have been eroded and now the GCSE is worthless. Lets all thank the schools and teachers for that. | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.
No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.
Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.
I know what he said, I also know what has happened to the curriculum and how this well rounded education was to be constrained to the books he thought were worth reading and the history he thought was worth learning.
I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.
The Great British Boarding schools have one advantage over day schools: they have the children for longer in the day. There is room for sport and drama as that forms part of the entertainment and keeping the children busy in the afternoons and evenings. Homework is patrolled so it is done. Class sizes are smaller. You can't replicate that by ignoring the factors that allow it to be so.
"True. Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited. Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people. | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.
No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.
Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.
I know what he said, I also know what has happened to the curriculum and how this well rounded education was to be constrained to the books he thought were worth reading and the history he thought was worth learning.
I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.
The Great British Boarding schools have one advantage over day schools: they have the children for longer in the day. There is room for sport and drama as that forms part of the entertainment and keeping the children busy in the afternoons and evenings. Homework is patrolled so it is done. Class sizes are smaller. You can't replicate that by ignoring the factors that allow it to be so.
True.
Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited.
Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people."Well, unfortunately its a bit late for the coming year, but send off for a PGCE application pack for next September. Show us all how its done. Please. | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
From what I understand, He wanted a diploma based qualification like the International Baccalaureate.
As I have mentioned the English Baccalaureate is being used in many schools for top streamed pupils. Schools have always had a choice about examination boards.
Yes and that is a problem he wanted to fix. All what competing examination boards have done is to promote a culture where the schools select the examination board that offers the easiest curriculum and examinations. Over the years, standards have been eroded and now the GCSE is worthless.
Lets all thank the schools and teachers for that."Teachers and schools didn't create competing examination boards. Competition is a standard for Conservatives. How about a national curriculum that most schools don't have to follow, how does that tighten up these standards? | |||
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" Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited. Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people." . What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point. | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.
No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.
Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.
I know what he said, I also know what has happened to the curriculum and how this well rounded education was to be constrained to the books he thought were worth reading and the history he thought was worth learning.
I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.
The Great British Boarding schools have one advantage over day schools: they have the children for longer in the day. There is room for sport and drama as that forms part of the entertainment and keeping the children busy in the afternoons and evenings. Homework is patrolled so it is done. Class sizes are smaller. You can't replicate that by ignoring the factors that allow it to be so.
True.
Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited.
Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people."Ah, I see now. We should get rid of the state school system. I'll leave you to it. Circular arguments have a habit of coming back to the same point. | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.
No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.
Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.
I know what he said, I also know what has happened to the curriculum and how this well rounded education was to be constrained to the books he thought were worth reading and the history he thought was worth learning.
I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.
The Great British Boarding schools have one advantage over day schools: they have the children for longer in the day. There is room for sport and drama as that forms part of the entertainment and keeping the children busy in the afternoons and evenings. Homework is patrolled so it is done. Class sizes are smaller. You can't replicate that by ignoring the factors that allow it to be so.
True.
Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited.
Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.
Well, unfortunately its a bit late for the coming year, but send off for a PGCE application pack for next September. Show us all how its done. Please."I believe teaching is challenging, particularly teaching pupils that come from dysfunctional families and communities. However, deliberately pushing them into studying worthless subjects will not help them. | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.
No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.
Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.
I know what he said, I also know what has happened to the curriculum and how this well rounded education was to be constrained to the books he thought were worth reading and the history he thought was worth learning.
I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.
The Great British Boarding schools have one advantage over day schools: they have the children for longer in the day. There is room for sport and drama as that forms part of the entertainment and keeping the children busy in the afternoons and evenings. Homework is patrolled so it is done. Class sizes are smaller. You can't replicate that by ignoring the factors that allow it to be so.
True.
Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited.
Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.
Well, unfortunately its a bit late for the coming year, but send off for a PGCE application pack for next September. Show us all how its done. Please.
I believe teaching is challenging, particularly teaching pupils that come from dysfunctional families and communities. However, deliberately pushing them into studying worthless subjects will not help them."I'm interested to know what worthless subjects our youngsters are being pushed into. | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
From what I understand, He wanted a diploma based qualification like the International Baccalaureate.
As I have mentioned the English Baccalaureate is being used in many schools for top streamed pupils. Schools have always had a choice about examination boards.
Yes and that is a problem he wanted to fix. All what competing examination boards have done is to promote a culture where the schools select the examination board that offers the easiest curriculum and examinations. Over the years, standards have been eroded and now the GCSE is worthless.
Lets all thank the schools and teachers for that.
Teachers and schools didn't create competing examination boards. Competition is a standard for Conservatives.
How about a national curriculum that most schools don't have to follow, how does that tighten up these standards?"True, the teachers and schools did not create the examination board system, but they have taken full advantage of it. | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.
No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.
Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum."Nobody including the teaching unions is against a well rounded curriculum... The rhetoric was empty... Every Secretary of State claims to want to raise standards... It'd be a tad stupid if one said they didn't. The problem was the unions and educationalists were looking at places like Finland for inspiration and Gove preferred Shanghai... Consultation was limited and there was strong evidence that the academy programme wasn't worth the money being invested into it. The English Baccalaureate is just a different league table measure...where schools were provided with an additional incentive to encourage children to take a foreign language...something that was previously an option in some though by by means all, schools. The introduction of computer science was positive but that was as a result of severe lobbying for years by the likes of google, Microsoft and some of the big UK universities. He's changed the grades (a* - g) from letters to numbers (0-9)..... Not sure why....? He wanted to create a qualification called an ebc...which was just a selection of subjects most students are entered for anyway....not an actual qualification. He wanted to have one exam board per subject...but decided it was anti competition. He wants to add 'rigour' to exams yet, grade boundaries are lowered so it doesn't make much of a difference - a c grade in mathematics STILL requires around 25-30%! If he wanted to make a real change, he'd have external invigilators overseeing primary SATS, and all secondary controlled assessments. What did Gove actually do to raise standards...that schools already weren't doing?? | |||
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"my daughter wants to become a teacher after uni - she seems pleased by this news " Good luck to her , it can be a very rewarding profession. | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
From what I understand, He wanted a diploma based qualification like the International Baccalaureate.
As I have mentioned the English Baccalaureate is being used in many schools for top streamed pupils. Schools have always had a choice about examination boards.
Yes and that is a problem he wanted to fix. All what competing examination boards have done is to promote a culture where the schools select the examination board that offers the easiest curriculum and examinations. Over the years, standards have been eroded and now the GCSE is worthless.
Lets all thank the schools and teachers for that.
Teachers and schools didn't create competing examination boards. Competition is a standard for Conservatives.
How about a national curriculum that most schools don't have to follow, how does that tighten up these standards?
True, the teachers and schools did not create the examination board system, but they have taken full advantage of it."It's up to OFQUAL who assesses exam papers and accredits them to have suitable quality controls. Nothing to do with teachers or unions or anyone else. | |||
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" Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited. Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people. . What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point."To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school. | |||
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" I believe teaching is challenging, particularly teaching pupils that come from dysfunctional families and communities. However, deliberately pushing them into studying worthless subjects will not help them. I'm interested to know what worthless subjects our youngsters are being pushed into." I'm curious about this too... | |||
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" Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited. Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people. . What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.
To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school."and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country? | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.
No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.
Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.
I know what he said, I also know what has happened to the curriculum and how this well rounded education was to be constrained to the books he thought were worth reading and the history he thought was worth learning.
I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.
The Great British Boarding schools have one advantage over day schools: they have the children for longer in the day. There is room for sport and drama as that forms part of the entertainment and keeping the children busy in the afternoons and evenings. Homework is patrolled so it is done. Class sizes are smaller. You can't replicate that by ignoring the factors that allow it to be so.
True.
Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited.
Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.
Ah, I see now. We should get rid of the state school system. I'll leave you to it. Circular arguments have a habit of coming back to the same point.
"I did not say that. We need more schools and smaller class sizes. Also, we need a world class qualification, like the old O Level, and we need teachers that have high expectations of their pupils. | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.
No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.
Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.
I know what he said, I also know what has happened to the curriculum and how this well rounded education was to be constrained to the books he thought were worth reading and the history he thought was worth learning.
I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.
The Great British Boarding schools have one advantage over day schools: they have the children for longer in the day. There is room for sport and drama as that forms part of the entertainment and keeping the children busy in the afternoons and evenings. Homework is patrolled so it is done. Class sizes are smaller. You can't replicate that by ignoring the factors that allow it to be so.
True.
Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited.
Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.
Well, unfortunately its a bit late for the coming year, but send off for a PGCE application pack for next September. Show us all how its done. Please.
I believe teaching is challenging, particularly teaching pupils that come from dysfunctional families and communities. However, deliberately pushing them into studying worthless subjects will not help them.
I'm interested to know what worthless subjects our youngsters are being pushed into."The top Universities and employers have come out and stated that they want: mathematics, english, science, geography , history and foreign languages. Everything else is considered second best. | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.
No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.
Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.
I know what he said, I also know what has happened to the curriculum and how this well rounded education was to be constrained to the books he thought were worth reading and the history he thought was worth learning.
I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.
The Great British Boarding schools have one advantage over day schools: they have the children for longer in the day. There is room for sport and drama as that forms part of the entertainment and keeping the children busy in the afternoons and evenings. Homework is patrolled so it is done. Class sizes are smaller. You can't replicate that by ignoring the factors that allow it to be so.
True.
Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited.
Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.
Well, unfortunately its a bit late for the coming year, but send off for a PGCE application pack for next September. Show us all how its done. Please.
I believe teaching is challenging, particularly teaching pupils that come from dysfunctional families and communities. However, deliberately pushing them into studying worthless subjects will not help them."But you clearly have all the answers... so maybe you should put your money where your mouth is. What worthless subjects am I pushing my pupils into studying? Just curious... | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.
No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.
Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.
I know what he said, I also know what has happened to the curriculum and how this well rounded education was to be constrained to the books he thought were worth reading and the history he thought was worth learning.
I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.
The Great British Boarding schools have one advantage over day schools: they have the children for longer in the day. There is room for sport and drama as that forms part of the entertainment and keeping the children busy in the afternoons and evenings. Homework is patrolled so it is done. Class sizes are smaller. You can't replicate that by ignoring the factors that allow it to be so.
True.
Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited.
Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.
Well, unfortunately its a bit late for the coming year, but send off for a PGCE application pack for next September. Show us all how its done. Please.
I believe teaching is challenging, particularly teaching pupils that come from dysfunctional families and communities. However, deliberately pushing them into studying worthless subjects will not help them.
I'm interested to know what worthless subjects our youngsters are being pushed into.
The top Universities and employers have come out and stated that they want: mathematics, english, science, geography , history and foreign languages.
Everything else is considered second best."So much for that rounded education with the arts etc. | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.
No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.
Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.
I know what he said, I also know what has happened to the curriculum and how this well rounded education was to be constrained to the books he thought were worth reading and the history he thought was worth learning.
I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.
The Great British Boarding schools have one advantage over day schools: they have the children for longer in the day. There is room for sport and drama as that forms part of the entertainment and keeping the children busy in the afternoons and evenings. Homework is patrolled so it is done. Class sizes are smaller. You can't replicate that by ignoring the factors that allow it to be so.
True.
Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited.
Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.
Well, unfortunately its a bit late for the coming year, but send off for a PGCE application pack for next September. Show us all how its done. Please.
I believe teaching is challenging, particularly teaching pupils that come from dysfunctional families and communities. However, deliberately pushing them into studying worthless subjects will not help them.
I'm interested to know what worthless subjects our youngsters are being pushed into.
The top Universities and employers have come out and stated that they want: mathematics, english, science, geography , history and foreign languages.
Everything else is considered second best."and did you know that anyone entering further education without a grade C in Maths and English is obliged to study to that end? | |||
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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news I know of no teacher who only works from eight till four. Except possibly your English teacher. " im sure she is dead now, but like most teachers who only work 8-4 she had plenty of free time to have had a great time doing a half assed job like most teachers out in the general public...pay rise my arse they should clock in n out n get paid for the hours they are in school never mind the 12 weeks off a year they get paid for.. its the old saying , those who can't, teach.. | |||
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" Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited. Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people. . What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.
To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school.
and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country?"The other Universities maybe good, but they are not Oxford or Cambridge are they. Typically, not many people that are entitled to a free school meal go to a University that is a member of the prestigious Russell Group | |||
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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news I know of no teacher who only works from eight till four. Except possibly your English teacher. im sure she is dead now, but like most teachers who only work 8-4 she had plenty of free time to have had a great time doing a half assed job like most teachers out in the general public...pay rise my arse they should clock in n out n get paid for the hours they are in school never mind the 12 weeks off a year they get paid for.. its the old saying , those who can't, teach.. " If we got paid by the hour we would get an ALMIGHTY pay rise. Like I already responded to you I work 7.30am - 6.30pm, sometimes later. Your view on teachers workloads is so ridiculously wrong that I cant even be offended, I have to laugh. Like I also said... go volunteer in a school for a couple of weeks. | |||
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" Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited. Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people. . What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.
To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school.
and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country?
The other Universities maybe good, but they are not Oxford or Cambridge are they.
Typically, not many people that are entitled to a free school meal go to a University that is a member of the prestigious Russell Group"Is this whole thing about state versus private education with you? | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.
No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.
Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.
I know what he said, I also know what has happened to the curriculum and how this well rounded education was to be constrained to the books he thought were worth reading and the history he thought was worth learning.
I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.
The Great British Boarding schools have one advantage over day schools: they have the children for longer in the day. There is room for sport and drama as that forms part of the entertainment and keeping the children busy in the afternoons and evenings. Homework is patrolled so it is done. Class sizes are smaller. You can't replicate that by ignoring the factors that allow it to be so.
True.
Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited.
Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.
Well, unfortunately its a bit late for the coming year, but send off for a PGCE application pack for next September. Show us all how its done. Please.
I believe teaching is challenging, particularly teaching pupils that come from dysfunctional families and communities. However, deliberately pushing them into studying worthless subjects will not help them.
I'm interested to know what worthless subjects our youngsters are being pushed into.
The top Universities and employers have come out and stated that they want: mathematics, english, science, geography , history and foreign languages.
Everything else is considered second best.
and did you know that anyone entering further education without a grade C in Maths and English is obliged to study to that end? "Some of the best private schools in the country no longer teach the GCSE. They either go straight to A level, study the international baccalaureate or do the Cambridge Pre-U diploma. | |||
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" Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited. Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people. . What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.
To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school.
and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country?
The other Universities maybe good, but they are not Oxford or Cambridge are they.
Typically, not many people that are entitled to a free school meal go to a University that is a member of the prestigious Russell Group
Is this whole thing about state versus private education with you?"No, the thing is that poor people are having their life opportunities stolen from them and the only man in 20 years, Gove, that has tried to do something about it has lost his job. However, the teachers are all happy. | |||
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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.
Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.
No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.
Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.
I know what he said, I also know what has happened to the curriculum and how this well rounded education was to be constrained to the books he thought were worth reading and the history he thought was worth learning.
I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.
The Great British Boarding schools have one advantage over day schools: they have the children for longer in the day. There is room for sport and drama as that forms part of the entertainment and keeping the children busy in the afternoons and evenings. Homework is patrolled so it is done. Class sizes are smaller. You can't replicate that by ignoring the factors that allow it to be so.
True.
Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited.
Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.
Well, unfortunately its a bit late for the coming year, but send off for a PGCE application pack for next September. Show us all how its done. Please.
I believe teaching is challenging, particularly teaching pupils that come from dysfunctional families and communities. However, deliberately pushing them into studying worthless subjects will not help them.
I'm interested to know what worthless subjects our youngsters are being pushed into.
The top Universities and employers have come out and stated that they want: mathematics, english, science, geography , history and foreign languages.
Everything else is considered second best.
and did you know that anyone entering further education without a grade C in Maths and English is obliged to study to that end?
Some of the best private schools in the country no longer teach the GCSE. They either go straight to A level, study the international baccalaureate or do the Cambridge Pre-U diploma."Good. I'm heaving my sorry, state educated arse up to bed now. | |||
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" Like I also said... go volunteer in a school for a couple of weeks." saints preserve us ...so we have a teacher suggesting random people off the internet go and volunteer as workers in a school ....how did we get in this mess ....arrgghhh ...deep breaths !! | |||
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"Also, we need a world class qualification, like the old O Level, and we need teachers that have high expectations of their pupils." The O Level worked well as it sat alongside the CSE, that gives ALL children a chance to learn. Problem was that it denied access to higher education from children who were not academic at age 11. Actually I don't see a problem with that, the reason some children are more academic than others is often the parents, and usually the children and the social system they fall into. By segregating them early you get the children who will study and do homework in one stream and those who wont out of the way. It runs deeper than that as well, you need to cut the academic entry into employment that doesn't need it and revert to apprentice based further education, bottom line is without big long term changes we can't go back and forward requires planning and time. All education suffers from short term tinkering, I know mine did very badly problem is my children's did too, seems that no government is capable of working long term strategies, possibly through fear that the opposition will be in power when good results flow through. | |||
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" Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited. Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people. . What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.
To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school.
and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country?
The other Universities maybe good, but they are not Oxford or Cambridge are they.
Typically, not many people that are entitled to a free school meal go to a University that is a member of the prestigious Russell Group
Is this whole thing about state versus private education with you?
No, the thing is that poor people are having their life opportunities stolen from them and the only man in 20 years, Gove, that has tried to do something about it has lost his job.
However, the teachers are all happy."Gove was making teachers 'teach for the test'. How on earth does that enable them to work towards the needs of individual children and teach important life skills? It doesn't. It was back to rote learning. That is not the best way for all children to learn and it would be THOSE children who suffered. Teachers are entitled to decent working conditions too you know. Who would actually be absolutely fine with "hey everyone, we're going to steadily increase your work load, make your days longer, shorten your holidays... oh and also change your pay scale so you might not get a rise next year... cool with that?" Teachers work LONG hours, they also take work home evenings and weekends, and still have go in during the holidays. But a lot of teachers hated Gove because he was a moron who had no idea how to teach kids. | |||
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" Like I also said... go volunteer in a school for a couple of weeks. saints preserve us ...so we have a teacher suggesting random people off the internet go and volunteer as workers in a school ....how did we get in this mess ....arrgghhh ...deep breaths !! " What's wrong with that? Everyone has to be DBS checked before they can go into a school. My point was, all these people who are telling me how easy my job is and how I do nothing all day, should really learn wtf they are talking about. I had a volunteer in my class for a few weeks while she was deciding whether she wanted to do a PGCE. She ended up doing a TA course instead as she had no idea what the job was really like. | |||
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" Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited. Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people. . What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.
To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school.
and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country?
The other Universities maybe good, but they are not Oxford or Cambridge are they.
Typically, not many people that are entitled to a free school meal go to a University that is a member of the prestigious Russell Group
Is this whole thing about state versus private education with you?
No, the thing is that poor people are having their life opportunities stolen from them and the only man in 20 years, Gove, that has tried to do something about it has lost his job.
However, the teachers are all happy.
Gove was making teachers 'teach for the test'. How on earth does that enable them to work towards the needs of individual children and teach important life skills? It doesn't. It was back to rote learning. That is not the best way for all children to learn and it would be THOSE children who suffered.
Teachers are entitled to decent working conditions too you know. Who would actually be absolutely fine with "hey everyone, we're going to steadily increase your work load, make your days longer, shorten your holidays... oh and also change your pay scale so you might not get a rise next year... cool with that?" Teachers work LONG hours, they also take work home evenings and weekends, and still have go in during the holidays.
But a lot of teachers hated Gove because he was a moron who had no idea how to teach kids."Coursework only serves to make the teachers job easier. The O level was examination only and rightly so. Also, Give wanted to abandon the modular based system for a linear system, like the old O Level. | |||
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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news Oh crap, where is this magical school where teachers work 8-4? I am usually at work for 7.30/45am and am lucky if I leave before 6.30pm. That's a 55hr week. If you add it all up, it equals out the holidays. Plus I usually have to spend one day a weekend doing school stuff, go into school during half term and at least the week before the kids come back to get the classroom ready. Like I always tell people with your view on teachers work loads... go volunteer in a school for a few weeks. Then we can talk. Absolutely! " Absofuckinglutely! | |||
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" Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited. Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people. . What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.
To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school.
and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country?
The other Universities maybe good, but they are not Oxford or Cambridge are they.
Typically, not many people that are entitled to a free school meal go to a University that is a member of the prestigious Russell Group
Is this whole thing about state versus private education with you?
No, the thing is that poor people are having their life opportunities stolen from them and the only man in 20 years, Gove, that has tried to do something about it has lost his job.
However, the teachers are all happy.
Gove was making teachers 'teach for the test'. How on earth does that enable them to work towards the needs of individual children and teach important life skills? It doesn't. It was back to rote learning. That is not the best way for all children to learn and it would be THOSE children who suffered.
Teachers are entitled to decent working conditions too you know. Who would actually be absolutely fine with "hey everyone, we're going to steadily increase your work load, make your days longer, shorten your holidays... oh and also change your pay scale so you might not get a rise next year... cool with that?" Teachers work LONG hours, they also take work home evenings and weekends, and still have go in during the holidays.
But a lot of teachers hated Gove because he was a moron who had no idea how to teach kids."The teachers want a modular based system so that the pupils can keep on re-taking particular examinations instead of re-sitting an examination that covers the whole curriculum. This makes the teachers job easier. | |||
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" Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited. Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people. . What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.
To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school.
and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country?
The other Universities maybe good, but they are not Oxford or Cambridge are they.
Typically, not many people that are entitled to a free school meal go to a University that is a member of the prestigious Russell Group
Is this whole thing about state versus private education with you?
No, the thing is that poor people are having their life opportunities stolen from them and the only man in 20 years, Gove, that has tried to do something about it has lost his job.
However, the teachers are all happy.
Gove was making teachers 'teach for the test'. How on earth does that enable them to work towards the needs of individual children and teach important life skills? It doesn't. It was back to rote learning. That is not the best way for all children to learn and it would be THOSE children who suffered.
Teachers are entitled to decent working conditions too you know. Who would actually be absolutely fine with "hey everyone, we're going to steadily increase your work load, make your days longer, shorten your holidays... oh and also change your pay scale so you might not get a rise next year... cool with that?" Teachers work LONG hours, they also take work home evenings and weekends, and still have go in during the holidays.
But a lot of teachers hated Gove because he was a moron who had no idea how to teach kids.
Coursework only serves to make the teachers job easier. The O level was examination only and rightly so.
Also, Give wanted to abandon the modular based system for a linear system, like the old O Level."Are you replying to me? Nowhere did I say anything about coursework or O Levels | |||
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"sorry ..who decided he was a moron ?" Myself for one, and many other people in the education field. Go ask some. | |||
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" Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited. Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people. . What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.
To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school.
and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country?
The other Universities maybe good, but they are not Oxford or Cambridge are they.
Typically, not many people that are entitled to a free school meal go to a University that is a member of the prestigious Russell Group
Is this whole thing about state versus private education with you?
No, the thing is that poor people are having their life opportunities stolen from them and the only man in 20 years, Gove, that has tried to do something about it has lost his job.
However, the teachers are all happy.
Gove was making teachers 'teach for the test'. How on earth does that enable them to work towards the needs of individual children and teach important life skills? It doesn't. It was back to rote learning. That is not the best way for all children to learn and it would be THOSE children who suffered.
Teachers are entitled to decent working conditions too you know. Who would actually be absolutely fine with "hey everyone, we're going to steadily increase your work load, make your days longer, shorten your holidays... oh and also change your pay scale so you might not get a rise next year... cool with that?" Teachers work LONG hours, they also take work home evenings and weekends, and still have go in during the holidays.
But a lot of teachers hated Gove because he was a moron who had no idea how to teach kids.
Coursework only serves to make the teachers job easier. The O level was examination only and rightly so.
Also, Give wanted to abandon the modular based system for a linear system, like the old O Level.
Are you replying to me? Nowhere did I say anything about coursework or O Levels"You did say Gove was making teachers 'teach for the test'. You also mentioned rote learning. This is consistent with the old O Level and many people that favour coursework use this sort of argument. | |||
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" Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited. Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people. . What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.
To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school.
and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country?
The other Universities maybe good, but they are not Oxford or Cambridge are they.
Typically, not many people that are entitled to a free school meal go to a University that is a member of the prestigious Russell Group
Is this whole thing about state versus private education with you?
No, the thing is that poor people are having their life opportunities stolen from them and the only man in 20 years, Gove, that has tried to do something about it has lost his job.
However, the teachers are all happy.
Gove was making teachers 'teach for the test'. How on earth does that enable them to work towards the needs of individual children and teach important life skills? It doesn't. It was back to rote learning. That is not the best way for all children to learn and it would be THOSE children who suffered.
Teachers are entitled to decent working conditions too you know. Who would actually be absolutely fine with "hey everyone, we're going to steadily increase your work load, make your days longer, shorten your holidays... oh and also change your pay scale so you might not get a rise next year... cool with that?" Teachers work LONG hours, they also take work home evenings and weekends, and still have go in during the holidays.
But a lot of teachers hated Gove because he was a moron who had no idea how to teach kids.
Coursework only serves to make the teachers job easier. The O level was examination only and rightly so.
Also, Give wanted to abandon the modular based system for a linear system, like the old O Level.
Are you replying to me? Nowhere did I say anything about coursework or O Levels
You did say Gove was making teachers 'teach for the test'. You also mentioned rote learning. This is consistent with the old O Level and many people that favour coursework use this sort of argument."Oh right okay. I was mainly talking about Primary kids and the SATs. | |||
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"sorry ..who decided he was a moron ? " Many more people than think he isn't. | |||
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"sorry ..who decided he was a moron ? Myself for one, and many other people in the education field. Go ask some." Make that two of us in the education field that think he's a moron! | |||
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"because someone disagrees with you does not make them a moron ...there are parts of africa supressessed with such biggotted views !" Saints preserve us how did this become a debate about suppressed Africans. Deep breaths. | |||
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" You did say Gove was making teachers 'teach for the test'. You also mentioned rote learning. This is consistent with the old O Level and many people that favour coursework use this sort of argument." Not everything that teachers want is to do with making their jobs easier. If we wanted an easy job then we wouldn't be doing it in the first place. I would imagine in secondary school, the idea is the same as primary school. Children need to be encouraged to be independent learners... to take some responsibility for their own learning and to continue it outside the classroom. Its also about the application of the skills they have learnt. What good is rote learning and not being able to apply what you've learnt and therefore actually use it? We moved beyond rote learning as there are better and more effective ways for children to learn. Why would we move backwards? | |||
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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news I know of no teacher who only works from eight till four. Except possibly your English teacher. im sure she is dead now, but like most teachers who only work 8-4 she had plenty of free time to have had a great time doing a half assed job like most teachers out in the general public...pay rise my arse they should clock in n out n get paid for the hours they are in school never mind the 12 weeks off a year they get paid for.. its the old saying , those who can't, teach.. If we got paid by the hour we would get an ALMIGHTY pay rise. Like I already responded to you I work 7.30am - 6.30pm, sometimes later. Your view on teachers workloads is so ridiculously wrong that I cant even be offended, I have to laugh. Like I also said... go volunteer in a school for a couple of weeks." sorry but 11 hour days are part time in busy working 15 hour days | |||
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" You did say Gove was making teachers 'teach for the test'. You also mentioned rote learning. This is consistent with the old O Level and many people that favour coursework use this sort of argument. Not everything that teachers want is to do with making their jobs easier. If we wanted an easy job then we wouldn't be doing it in the first place. I would imagine in secondary school, the idea is the same as primary school. Children need to be encouraged to be independent learners... to take some responsibility for their own learning and to continue it outside the classroom. Its also about the application of the skills they have learnt. What good is rote learning and not being able to apply what you've learnt and therefore actually use it? We moved beyond rote learning as there are better and more effective ways for children to learn. Why would we move backwards?" With respect to coursework, pupils copy and paste it from the internet. How is that learning? Only the sciences should have coursework because the pupils have to do practical experiments. | |||
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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news I know of no teacher who only works from eight till four. Except possibly your English teacher. im sure she is dead now, but like most teachers who only work 8-4 she had plenty of free time to have had a great time doing a half assed job like most teachers out in the general public...pay rise my arse they should clock in n out n get paid for the hours they are in school never mind the 12 weeks off a year they get paid for.. its the old saying , those who can't, teach.. If we got paid by the hour we would get an ALMIGHTY pay rise. Like I already responded to you I work 7.30am - 6.30pm, sometimes later. Your view on teachers workloads is so ridiculously wrong that I cant even be offended, I have to laugh. Like I also said... go volunteer in a school for a couple of weeks. sorry but 11 hour days are part time in busy working 15 hour days" So you concede that teachers work a longer working day than you first suggested ? | |||
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"because someone disagrees with you does not make them a moron ...there are parts of africa supressessed with such biggotted views !" Oh that made me laugh. Not the poor suppressed people in Africa before you jump down my throat. But look at it this way... Teachers train to be teachers. They usually then have professional development/ training at least once a week for the rest of their careers. They have specialist knowledge about education in general and in certain areas of education. Michael Gove has none of the above. If most teachers disagree with the majority of what he has to say... chances are he's a moron. | |||
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"Well the new education secretary is keeping her job as minister for women too; nice to know that these areas are considered such a priority that one person can cover both. She also happens to be a career politician who voted against same sex marriage so I'm sure diversity and inclusivity will be top of her agenda. "It's not just minister for women, she was originally made Minister for equality, a role that traditionally carried the minister for women role, too. Glad to know the minister for equality is against same-sex marriage. Goodness only know what sort of shit she'll get up to. Yet another good hand laid by the fabulous Tory party. | |||
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"because someone disagrees with you does not make them a moron ...there are parts of africa supressessed with such biggotted views ! Oh that made me laugh. Not the poor suppressed people in Africa before you jump down my throat. But look at it this way... Teachers train to be teachers. They usually then have professional development/ training at least once a week for the rest of their careers. They have specialist knowledge about education in general and in certain areas of education. Michael Gove has none of the above. If most teachers disagree with the majority of what he has to say... chances are he's a moron. " Typically, At the best and most expensive private schools, the teachers do not have any teaching qualifications. | |||
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"because someone disagrees with you does not make them a moron ...there are parts of africa supressessed with such biggotted views ! Oh that made me laugh. Not the poor suppressed people in Africa before you jump down my throat. But look at it this way... Teachers train to be teachers. They usually then have professional development/ training at least once a week for the rest of their careers. They have specialist knowledge about education in general and in certain areas of education. Michael Gove has none of the above. If most teachers disagree with the majority of what he has to say... chances are he's a moron. Typically, At the best and most expensive private schools, the teachers do not have any teaching qualifications." Well there has been some debate on that too. Those schools have the funds to bring in people with specialist subject knowledge. Most schools do not. But having specialist subject knowledge and knowing how to teach are two very different things. You need to understand how children learn - the different ways and the challenges they may face. You have to make sure what you're teaching is then accessible for every child in their class no matter what their specific learning requirement is. The other thing about private schools is they can let in and keep out whoever they want. It will be a completely different cohort of children to an inner London school where you will have higher than national average SEN and children with English as a second language. There will be huge gaps between the top and bottom of the class. This will not be the case in "the best private schools". | |||
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"because someone disagrees with you does not make them a moron ...there are parts of africa supressessed with such biggotted views ! Oh that made me laugh. Not the poor suppressed people in Africa before you jump down my throat. But look at it this way... Teachers train to be teachers. They usually then have professional development/ training at least once a week for the rest of their careers. They have specialist knowledge about education in general and in certain areas of education. Michael Gove has none of the above. If most teachers disagree with the majority of what he has to say... chances are he's a moron. Typically, At the best and most expensive private schools, the teachers do not have any teaching qualifications. Well there has been some debate on that too. Those schools have the funds to bring in people with specialist subject knowledge. Most schools do not. But having specialist subject knowledge and knowing how to teach are two very different things. You need to understand how children learn - the different ways and the challenges they may face. You have to make sure what you're teaching is then accessible for every child in their class no matter what their specific learning requirement is. The other thing about private schools is they can let in and keep out whoever they want. It will be a completely different cohort of children to an inner London school where you will have higher than national average SEN and children with English as a second language. There will be huge gaps between the top and bottom of the class. This will not be the case in "the best private schools"." Even at the bottom end, typically, private schools will take on teachers that do not have teaching qualifications. However, generally, all the teachers would have gone to a 'red brick' University. Thanks to Gove, some state academies are now accepting people to teach that do not have any teaching qualifications. The teachers at the private school seem to do a good job without any teaching qualifications. To the best of my knowledge, if you want to teach GCSE mathematics at a state school, The only academic qualification you need is a grade C in GCSE mathematics!!! | |||
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"because someone disagrees with you does not make them a moron ...there are parts of africa supressessed with such biggotted views ! Oh that made me laugh. Not the poor suppressed people in Africa before you jump down my throat. But look at it this way... Teachers train to be teachers. They usually then have professional development/ training at least once a week for the rest of their careers. They have specialist knowledge about education in general and in certain areas of education. Michael Gove has none of the above. If most teachers disagree with the majority of what he has to say... chances are he's a moron. Typically, At the best and most expensive private schools, the teachers do not have any teaching qualifications. Well there has been some debate on that too. Those schools have the funds to bring in people with specialist subject knowledge. Most schools do not. But having specialist subject knowledge and knowing how to teach are two very different things. You need to understand how children learn - the different ways and the challenges they may face. You have to make sure what you're teaching is then accessible for every child in their class no matter what their specific learning requirement is. The other thing about private schools is they can let in and keep out whoever they want. It will be a completely different cohort of children to an inner London school where you will have higher than national average SEN and children with English as a second language. There will be huge gaps between the top and bottom of the class. This will not be the case in "the best private schools". Even at the bottom end, typically, private schools will take on teachers that do not have teaching qualifications. However, generally, all the teachers would have gone to a 'red brick' University. Thanks to Gove, some state academies are now accepting people to teach that do not have any teaching qualifications. The teachers at the private school seem to do a good job without any teaching qualifications. To the best of my knowledge, if you want to teach GCSE mathematics at a state school, The only academic qualification you need is a grade C in GCSE mathematics!!!" In addition to a teaching qualification in mathematics with a degree in maths or a mathematics related subject... And even then there is a shortage...one reason why unqualified teachers are being recruited at these academies....who are then paid unqualified teacher wages. These unqualified teachers can't be that amazing if students therein rely on additional private tuition (from qualified subject specialists/teachers) where they pay an extra £30+ hour... Also, regarding coursework.... The government dare not risk getting rid of it, because it helps get results. Under goves rule, it went from 'coursework' to 'controlled assessment'.....a rose by any other name!!! Like I mentioned before, if he really wanted to drive up standards, year 6 SATS would be externally invigilated, coursework would be abandoned, any coursework related tasks would be undertaken in exam conditions, and overseen by external invigilators...but that won't happen. He'd also change/raise the grade boundaries, particularly in mathematics where currently, only 30% is required to achieve a C. OFQUAL would assure that different exam boards met the same strict standards for their exams. Re: Modular exams. They made it easier FOR the students, not the teacher....who has to allocate more teaching time to teach to the test...again and again. Interesting recent experiment - some of the best students (a*-a) at a-level were given an a-level exam a couple of months after their actual exam by their red brick universities... Most flunked, because they'd forgotten their subject - that's what happens when you teach to the test. That's what having league tables does. I'm still wondering...which radical policies, of use, did Gove actually implement - apart from changing lettered grades to numbers - woah!! | |||
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"Gove is no longer the education minister. Good news for teachers, but bad news for those at school. Looks like there will be another generation of people that can not spell, read and punctuate properly. However, at least the teachers are happy." I'm not sure that you needed that comma before the word "but" and I think you meant "can not spell, read OR punctuate properly". Now go and stand in the corner until play time. | |||
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"because someone disagrees with you does not make them a moron ...there are parts of africa supressessed with such biggotted views ! Oh that made me laugh. Not the poor suppressed people in Africa before you jump down my throat. But look at it this way... Teachers train to be teachers. They usually then have professional development/ training at least once a week for the rest of their careers. They have specialist knowledge about education in general and in certain areas of education. Michael Gove has none of the above. If most teachers disagree with the majority of what he has to say... chances are he's a moron. Typically, At the best and most expensive private schools, the teachers do not have any teaching qualifications. Well there has been some debate on that too. Those schools have the funds to bring in people with specialist subject knowledge. Most schools do not. But having specialist subject knowledge and knowing how to teach are two very different things. You need to understand how children learn - the different ways and the challenges they may face. You have to make sure what you're teaching is then accessible for every child in their class no matter what their specific learning requirement is. The other thing about private schools is they can let in and keep out whoever they want. It will be a completely different cohort of children to an inner London school where you will have higher than national average SEN and children with English as a second language. There will be huge gaps between the top and bottom of the class. This will not be the case in "the best private schools". Even at the bottom end, typically, private schools will take on teachers that do not have teaching qualifications. However, generally, all the teachers would have gone to a 'red brick' University. Thanks to Gove, some state academies are now accepting people to teach that do not have any teaching qualifications. The teachers at the private school seem to do a good job without any teaching qualifications. To the best of my knowledge, if you want to teach GCSE mathematics at a state school, The only academic qualification you need is a grade C in GCSE mathematics!!! In addition to a teaching qualification in mathematics with a degree in maths or a mathematics related subject... And even then there is a shortage...one reason why unqualified teachers are being recruited at these academies....who are then paid unqualified teacher wages. These unqualified teachers can't be that amazing if students therein rely on additional private tuition (from qualified subject specialists/teachers) where they pay an extra £30+ hour... Also, regarding coursework.... The government dare not risk getting rid of it, because it helps get results. Under goves rule, it went from 'coursework' to 'controlled assessment'.....a rose by any other name!!! Like I mentioned before, if he really wanted to drive up standards, year 6 SATS would be externally invigilated, coursework would be abandoned, any coursework related tasks would be undertaken in exam conditions, and overseen by external invigilators...but that won't happen. He'd also change/raise the grade boundaries, particularly in mathematics where currently, only 30% is required to achieve a C. OFQUAL would assure that different exam boards met the same strict standards for their exams. Re: Modular exams. They made it easier FOR the students, not the teacher....who has to allocate more teaching time to teach to the test...again and again. Interesting recent experiment - some of the best students (a*-a) at a-level were given an a-level exam a couple of months after their actual exam by their red brick universities... Most flunked, because they'd forgotten their subject - that's what happens when you teach to the test. That's what having league tables does. I'm still wondering...which radical policies, of use, did Gove actually implement - apart from changing lettered grades to numbers - woah!!" With respect to coursework, You claim 'The government dare not risk getting rid of it, because it helps get results'. I agree it does. Also, With respect to modular exams, You claim 'They made it easier FOR the students' I agree they do. However, don't teachers and unions claim, every year, that standards have not fallen. From what I remember the teachers and unions claim that students and teachers are working harder, particularly teachers. Unsurprisingly, unions argue that teachers should be rewarded with more money and better pensions because they are working harder and getting better results!!! The success rates of achieving A-C grade at GCSE are bogus because the coursework, modular exams, and other things have manipulated the results. no wonder teachers and the unions don't want to get rid of coursework and the modular system. | |||
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"Gove is no longer the education minister. Good news for teachers, but bad news for those at school. Looks like there will be another generation of people that can not spell, read and punctuate properly. However, at least the teachers are happy. I'm not sure that you needed that comma before the word "but" and I think you meant "can not spell, read OR punctuate properly". Now go and stand in the corner until play time." You need to learn how to write. If I would have used the word OR then that implies that only one possibility can be realised. For example: you can have cola or lemonade. It is not possible to have both drinks, only one. If I use the word AND then that implies both possibilities can be realised. For example: you can have cola and lemonade. It is possible to have both drinks. I wrote: 'another generation of people that can not spell, read and punctuate properly'. I am implying that people can't spell and people can't read and people can't punctuate. Therefore I use the word AND because I am referring to all the possibilities. Yes I do need the comma before the 'but'. However, I can't be bothered explaining that to you as well. I suggest you learn how to punctuate. I believe it is you that needs to stand in the corner! | |||
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"Gove is no longer the education minister. Good news for teachers, but bad news for those at school. Looks like there will be another generation of people that can not spell, read and punctuate properly. However, at least the teachers are happy. I'm not sure that you needed that comma before the word "but" and I think you meant "can not spell, read OR punctuate properly". Now go and stand in the corner until play time. You need to learn how to write. If I would have used the word OR then that implies that only one possibility can be realised. For example: you can have cola or lemonade. It is not possible to have both drinks, only one. If I use the word AND then that implies both possibilities can be realised. For example: you can have cola and lemonade. It is possible to have both drinks. I wrote: 'another generation of people that can not spell, read and punctuate properly'. I am implying that people can't spell and people can't read and people can't punctuate. Therefore I use the word AND because I am referring to all the possibilities. Yes I do need the comma before the 'but'. However, I can't be bothered explaining that to you as well. I suggest you learn how to punctuate. I believe it is you that needs to stand in the corner!" I suggest you know less than you pretend to. | |||
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"I'm interested to hear the proposals to reverse this supposed decline in standards. Will it be all exams? There was some excellent work underway to begin reforms to the curriculum. The first thing Gove did was throw Jim Roses's work into the shredder and then begin single handedly writing his own new curriculum. Schools that had begun to implement one set of changes had to start all over again only to learn that not everything they need to implement the Word of Gove was even available." That has been and will probably continue to be a major problem in all areas of education from the funding to the delivery...the rules keep changing, so that you just get used to working to one set of criteria then a slightly altered one comes along. | |||
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"I'm interested to hear the proposals to reverse this supposed decline in standards. Will it be all exams? There was some excellent work underway to begin reforms to the curriculum. The first thing Gove did was throw Jim Roses's work into the shredder and then begin single handedly writing his own new curriculum. Schools that had begun to implement one set of changes had to start all over again only to learn that not everything they need to implement the Word of Gove was even available. That has been and will probably continue to be a major problem in all areas of education from the funding to the delivery...the rules keep changing, so that you just get used to working to one set of criteria then a slightly altered one comes along. " Exactly. An ex journalist with no experience of teaching can brush aside years of work (at huge cost) just on a personal whim and to further his career (until Cameron just stamped all over it!). If a committee of teaching experts were formed to develop and manage the curriculum - independent of politicians but allowing for them to set the overall direction neeeded eg. the government directing a greater emphasis in science and the creative industries but then leaving the design of the curriculum to the experts - that would make sense. But instead it's at the mercy of whoever is in power, regardless of how qualified they are. | |||
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"because someone disagrees with you does not make them a moron ...there are parts of africa supressessed with such biggotted views ! Oh that made me laugh. Not the poor suppressed people in Africa before you jump down my throat. But look at it this way... Teachers train to be teachers. They usually then have professional development/ training at least once a week for the rest of their careers. They have specialist knowledge about education in general and in certain areas of education. Michael Gove has none of the above. If most teachers disagree with the majority of what he has to say... chances are he's a moron. Typically, At the best and most expensive private schools, the teachers do not have any teaching qualifications. Well there has been some debate on that too. Those schools have the funds to bring in people with specialist subject knowledge. Most schools do not. But having specialist subject knowledge and knowing how to teach are two very different things. You need to understand how children learn - the different ways and the challenges they may face. You have to make sure what you're teaching is then accessible for every child in their class no matter what their specific learning requirement is. The other thing about private schools is they can let in and keep out whoever they want. It will be a completely different cohort of children to an inner London school where you will have higher than national average SEN and children with English as a second language. There will be huge gaps between the top and bottom of the class. This will not be the case in "the best private schools". Even at the bottom end, typically, private schools will take on teachers that do not have teaching qualifications. However, generally, all the teachers would have gone to a 'red brick' University. Thanks to Gove, some state academies are now accepting people to teach that do not have any teaching qualifications. The teachers at the private school seem to do a good job without any teaching qualifications. To the best of my knowledge, if you want to teach GCSE mathematics at a state school, The only academic qualification you need is a grade C in GCSE mathematics!!!" In this case the best of your knowledge is wrong. You need a degree in maths and then a Maths teaching qualification. | |||
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" With respect to coursework, You claim 'The government dare not risk getting rid of it, because it helps get results'. I agree it does. Also, With respect to modular exams, You claim 'They made it easier FOR the students' I agree they do. However, don't teachers and unions claim, every year, that standards have not fallen. From what I remember the teachers and unions claim that students and teachers are working harder, particularly teachers. Unsurprisingly, unions argue that teachers should be rewarded with more money and better pensions because they are working harder and getting better results!!! The success rates of achieving A-C grade at GCSE are bogus because the coursework, modular exams, and other things have manipulated the results. no wonder teachers and the unions don't want to get rid of coursework and the modular system." Unions and teachers aren't asking for more at all - they are challenging the government reneging on previous agreements (now teachers pay more, for longer and receive less). The state claims that the pension is no longer affordable - the unions has requested independent evidence of these projections....they're still waiting for this valuation. Since the TPS was set up in 1923, over £40bn more in contributions has been paid into the scheme than has been paid out in pensions. It was the retaking of exams that was the problem as opposed to modular exams... You make many false assumptions... Gove kept coursework, called it controlled assessment. I know many teachers who'd prefer such assessments to be externally invigilated and marked. Gove had his chance to raise standards...nobody wants children not to achieve, least of all, teachers... I'm sure Gove didn't either... He just wasn't well informed enough, and his autocratic style didn't go well with the people whose support he needed. Many experts pointed towards the Finnish success story, but it didn't fit with his ideology. It sometimes feels like he simply read the blurb of a book by E.D Hirsch, was sold by the cover and implemented what he thought the author may have written. You keep going on about private schools - but the conditions are completely different in an inner city state school. Class sizes for one. I hope Nicky Morgan is a little more astute than her predecessor. | |||
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" The teachers want a modular based system so that the pupils can keep on re-taking particular examinations instead of re-sitting an examination that covers the whole curriculum. This makes the teachers job easier." How does coursework make teaching easier? You have to look at a lot more material. The interesting thing about coursework is that it is much more like the world of work than doing a rote learned exam process. Unless of course your work requires you to turn up and just repeat what you were taught at the beginning and keep doing the same. We all have different learning styles, condemning people as failures because their learning style doesn't fit with the teaching and exams seems more than a little unfair. As for the Oxbridge comments, well not everyone can go. There are limited places. Private schools set out to ensure as many of theirs can get in, many state schools set that aspiration and work with Russell Group universities to make it a real option for their students. Yes, more from the private schools get in but it's not a straight issue about exam results and by the nature of exclusivity the places are limited anyway. Lets not go back to assuming that everyone who can't get into a Oxbridge is worthless in educational terms. I speak as one of the great uneducated mass from an inner city state school in a deprived area. That reminds me..."I'm depraved on account of I'm deprived..." | |||
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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news I know of no teacher who only works from eight till four. Except possibly your English teacher. im sure she is dead now, but like most teachers who only work 8-4 she had plenty of free time to have had a great time doing a half assed job like most teachers out in the general public...pay rise my arse they should clock in n out n get paid for the hours they are in school never mind the 12 weeks off a year they get paid for.. its the old saying , those who can't, teach.. If we got paid by the hour we would get an ALMIGHTY pay rise. Like I already responded to you I work 7.30am - 6.30pm, sometimes later. Your view on teachers workloads is so ridiculously wrong that I cant even be offended, I have to laugh. Like I also said... go volunteer in a school for a couple of weeks. sorry but 11 hour days are part time in busy working 15 hour days" I love the "I work longer than you, therefore you are part-time" arguments. Working 15 hours a day is not healthy long term. No gravestone will say "he was a great worker - he really put in the hours". We all have to do it sometimes but I know I lost my health doing it and gained my health back by learning to have a life and balancing my workload. Of course we could just chain people to the treadmills and watch the economy fail as no one has the time to spend their earnings, leading to job losses and no one working silly hours. | |||
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"I'm interested to hear the proposals to reverse this supposed decline in standards. Will it be all exams? There was some excellent work underway to begin reforms to the curriculum. The first thing Gove did was throw Jim Roses's work into the shredder and then begin single handedly writing his own new curriculum. Schools that had begun to implement one set of changes had to start all over again only to learn that not everything they need to implement the Word of Gove was even available." There has been a successive declined in standards, since the introduction of the GCSE. I suggest you look at the old O level examination papers and compare them with the modern GCSE. Pupils have always been allowed to use calculators in GCSE mathematics. However, pupils were banned from using them in O level mathematics. Therefore, in the past, teachers had to make sure that pupils were competent at doing arithmetic and remembering their multiplication tables. Unfortunately, today, teachers do not ensure that their pupils can do their arithmetic and multiplication tables to a satisfactory standard because calculators are allowed to be used in the examinations. Is it any wonder that those leaving school today can't do elementary mathematics without a calculator. How can these people compete in the global economy? In my personal opinion, calculators should be banned from being used, but teachers will not like that because they will have to start teaching mathematics properly. | |||
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"I'm interested to hear the proposals to reverse this supposed decline in standards. Will it be all exams? There was some excellent work underway to begin reforms to the curriculum. The first thing Gove did was throw Jim Roses's work into the shredder and then begin single handedly writing his own new curriculum. Schools that had begun to implement one set of changes had to start all over again only to learn that not everything they need to implement the Word of Gove was even available. There has been a successive declined in standards, since the introduction of the GCSE. I suggest you look at the old O level examination papers and compare them with the modern GCSE. Pupils have always been allowed to use calculators in GCSE mathematics. However, pupils were banned from using them in O level mathematics. Therefore, in the past, teachers had to make sure that pupils were competent at doing arithmetic and remembering their multiplication tables. Unfortunately, today, teachers do not ensure that their pupils can do their arithmetic and multiplication tables to a satisfactory standard because calculators are allowed to be used in the examinations. Is it any wonder that those leaving school today can't do elementary mathematics without a calculator. How can these people compete in the global economy? In my personal opinion, calculators should be banned from being used, but teachers will not like that because they will have to start teaching mathematics properly." I don't know how to use a calculator to fully utilise all of the functionality. Education failed me there. I suggest people have a go at the modern examinations before condemning them. There was a programme testing out whether parents could achieve the same grades as their children (I think) by doing the papers and they didn't do that well. As for this statement that they don't do enough on arithmetic and the times tables all I can say is that come and do the homework that is set for the primary school children in my life. They are busy with written and mental maths. The can add, subtract, multiply and do fractions better than I can now. | |||
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"I'm interested to hear the proposals to reverse this supposed decline in standards. Will it be all exams? There was some excellent work underway to begin reforms to the curriculum. The first thing Gove did was throw Jim Roses's work into the shredder and then begin single handedly writing his own new curriculum. Schools that had begun to implement one set of changes had to start all over again only to learn that not everything they need to implement the Word of Gove was even available. That has been and will probably continue to be a major problem in all areas of education from the funding to the delivery...the rules keep changing, so that you just get used to working to one set of criteria then a slightly altered one comes along. Exactly. An ex journalist with no experience of teaching can brush aside years of work (at huge cost) just on a personal whim and to further his career (until Cameron just stamped all over it!). If a committee of teaching experts were formed to develop and manage the curriculum - independent of politicians but allowing for them to set the overall direction neeeded eg. the government directing a greater emphasis in science and the creative industries but then leaving the design of the curriculum to the experts - that would make sense. But instead it's at the mercy of whoever is in power, regardless of how qualified they are." The so called experts have failed. The schools, teachers, politicians and these 'experts' are responsible for stealing the life opportunities of millions of people. Today, the privately educated and the affluent middle classes dominate every sphere of public influence and upper echelons power. | |||
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"I'm interested to hear the proposals to reverse this supposed decline in standards. Will it be all exams? There was some excellent work underway to begin reforms to the curriculum. The first thing Gove did was throw Jim Roses's work into the shredder and then begin single handedly writing his own new curriculum. Schools that had begun to implement one set of changes had to start all over again only to learn that not everything they need to implement the Word of Gove was even available. That has been and will probably continue to be a major problem in all areas of education from the funding to the delivery...the rules keep changing, so that you just get used to working to one set of criteria then a slightly altered one comes along. Exactly. An ex journalist with no experience of teaching can brush aside years of work (at huge cost) just on a personal whim and to further his career (until Cameron just stamped all over it!). If a committee of teaching experts were formed to develop and manage the curriculum - independent of politicians but allowing for them to set the overall direction neeeded eg. the government directing a greater emphasis in science and the creative industries but then leaving the design of the curriculum to the experts - that would make sense. But instead it's at the mercy of whoever is in power, regardless of how qualified they are. The so called experts have failed. The schools, teachers, politicians and these 'experts' are responsible for stealing the life opportunities of millions of people. Today, the privately educated and the affluent middle classes dominate every sphere of public influence and upper echelons power." and that's nothing new is it? | |||
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"I'm interested to hear the proposals to reverse this supposed decline in standards. Will it be all exams? There was some excellent work underway to begin reforms to the curriculum. The first thing Gove did was throw Jim Roses's work into the shredder and then begin single handedly writing his own new curriculum. Schools that had begun to implement one set of changes had to start all over again only to learn that not everything they need to implement the Word of Gove was even available. That has been and will probably continue to be a major problem in all areas of education from the funding to the delivery...the rules keep changing, so that you just get used to working to one set of criteria then a slightly altered one comes along. Exactly. An ex journalist with no experience of teaching can brush aside years of work (at huge cost) just on a personal whim and to further his career (until Cameron just stamped all over it!). If a committee of teaching experts were formed to develop and manage the curriculum - independent of politicians but allowing for them to set the overall direction neeeded eg. the government directing a greater emphasis in science and the creative industries but then leaving the design of the curriculum to the experts - that would make sense. But instead it's at the mercy of whoever is in power, regardless of how qualified they are. The so called experts have failed. The schools, teachers, politicians and these 'experts' are responsible for stealing the life opportunities of millions of people. Today, the privately educated and the affluent middle classes dominate every sphere of public influence and upper echelons power." They always have. The gap was closed but briefly in a golden age of prosperity and change following the wars. When the weightings of pupils from deprived backgrounds who do well in state schools are considered those pupils do better than privately educated pupils. This starts early: having books and exposure to things other than television sets the building blocks for future academic success. Families that talk to each other have children who develop faster and are better able to settle into learning. | |||
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"I'm interested to hear the proposals to reverse this supposed decline in standards. Will it be all exams? There was some excellent work underway to begin reforms to the curriculum. The first thing Gove did was throw Jim Roses's work into the shredder and then begin single handedly writing his own new curriculum. Schools that had begun to implement one set of changes had to start all over again only to learn that not everything they need to implement the Word of Gove was even available. There has been a successive declined in standards, since the introduction of the GCSE. I suggest you look at the old O level examination papers and compare them with the modern GCSE. Pupils have always been allowed to use calculators in GCSE mathematics. However, pupils were banned from using them in O level mathematics. Therefore, in the past, teachers had to make sure that pupils were competent at doing arithmetic and remembering their multiplication tables. Unfortunately, today, teachers do not ensure that their pupils can do their arithmetic and multiplication tables to a satisfactory standard because calculators are allowed to be used in the examinations. Is it any wonder that those leaving school today can't do elementary mathematics without a calculator. How can these people compete in the global economy? In my personal opinion, calculators should be banned from being used, but teachers will not like that because they will have to start teaching mathematics properly. I don't know how to use a calculator to fully utilise all of the functionality. Education failed me there. I suggest people have a go at the modern examinations before condemning them. There was a programme testing out whether parents could achieve the same grades as their children (I think) by doing the papers and they didn't do that well. As for this statement that they don't do enough on arithmetic and the times tables all I can say is that come and do the homework that is set for the primary school children in my life. They are busy with written and mental maths. The can add, subtract, multiply and do fractions better than I can now. " Really? How come Britain is at the bottom of every international league table in mathematics? How come employers and Universities constantly complain about the competence that people have in mathematics? If the pupils are fantastic at arithmetic and multiplication tables, why do they need to use calculators in the examinations? They need to use calculators because they are not good at it, typically. | |||
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"Teachers do not push 'useless' subjects on pupils. The government sets the curriculum. And any of the 'useless' ones can be dropped when the pupil takes their options, a process that has been in place since the o level. this allows them to play to their strengths. By the way, plenty of o level subjects depended on modular coursework to. Geography, art, tech drawing, cdt... even english." Teachers and schools do push 'useless' subjects on pupils! They do it because they want to improve their position in the national league tables. The problem is that the pupils that are pushed into the soft subjects are normally those that come from relatively poorer backgrounds. They then leave school with worthless qualifications and they have to spend the rest of their life as poor as they started it. | |||
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" In my personal opinion, calculators should be banned from being used, but teachers will not like that because they will have to start teaching mathematics properly." By implication, teachers want their children to fail and thus don't want to teach maths properly?? I'm sure one of the mathematics papers is a non calculator test.... Also, it's OFQUAL and the dept of education who decide a) what's on the papers and b) the acceptably standards to which the material is tested.... The teachers don't have much of a say.... They've been screaming that we look at the Finnish model since Finland do rather well on international league tabkes, but the State doesn't want to know.... | |||
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" How come Britain is at the bottom of every international league table in mathematics? How come employers and Universities constantly complain about the competence that people have in mathematics? If the pupils are fantastic at arithmetic and multiplication tables, why do they need to use calculators in the examinations? They need to use calculators because they are not good at it, typically." Your assertion that we're at the bottom of every league table is false (another lie?), in fact in 2012 we were average out of the 34 countries that participated (above average in science) and we perform similarly to France Denmark Iceland Norway and New Zealand. Finland tends to do the best. | |||
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" On the point of "teaching" : How come when yer teenage kid(s) get given a pre-printed page of say 20 questions that : a) some questions are just wrong and have no possible answer. b) some questions just don't make any sense, and c) even when perfectly correct answers are submitted, the teacher returns them marked as wrong? Even more baffling, why aren't such poor teachers dismissed?" Perhaps the parent should raise it with the school - if it's a consistent problem, the school will have procedures in place to deal with the issue.... Also, if a grade B isn't good enough, the state really should change the grade boundaries to reflect what a B should be worth.... | |||
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" How come Britain is at the bottom of every international league table in mathematics? How come employers and Universities constantly complain about the competence that people have in mathematics? If the pupils are fantastic at arithmetic and multiplication tables, why do they need to use calculators in the examinations? They need to use calculators because they are not good at it, typically. Your assertion that we're at the bottom of every league table is false (another lie?), in fact in 2012 we were average out of the 34 countries that participated (above average in science) and we perform similarly to France Denmark Iceland Norway and New Zealand. Finland tends to do the best. " We are currently 6th in the world and 2nd in Europe behind Finland - a country which does not have a culture of continuously assessing children and does not ever do classroom observations of teachers. They trust their professionals. And, yes, that does mean we are ahead of Germany in something. | |||
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"What a depressing view a few people have on pupils and teachers. I can only talk from my point of view but my son is at a Russell group Uni studying maths and statistics and my daughter hopefully will be at one next year. Both attend , attended, the local state school and were taught by excellent teachers. My sins teachers always ask if he is progressing well so it wasn't just a case of get him out of the door and forget about him. I am delighted at the education they have received and I can't thank their teachers enough , many went above and beyond what was required of them. " Just out of curiosity, is the local state school you speak of located in a deprived inner city area or a nice leafy suburban one? The reason why I ask is because, to the best of my knowledge, the challenging inner city schools have teachers that are largely inadequate. I speculate that it is the latter rather than the former. It's interesting to see an example of how 'selection by house prices' benefits those that can afford to live in a particular area. | |||
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" How come Britain is at the bottom of every international league table in mathematics? How come employers and Universities constantly complain about the competence that people have in mathematics? If the pupils are fantastic at arithmetic and multiplication tables, why do they need to use calculators in the examinations? They need to use calculators because they are not good at it, typically. Your assertion that we're at the bottom of every league table is false (another lie?), in fact in 2012 we were average out of the 34 countries that participated (above average in science) and we perform similarly to France Denmark Iceland Norway and New Zealand. Finland tends to do the best. " So at least you admit we are not at the top of the international league tables for performance and results. Considering that we are towards the top of the league table for how much we SPEND, it's a shame that the large amounts of money we spend on education is not reflected in results, shame. Maybe we should just give the teachers more money, but don't we already spend more on education than most countries? | |||
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"What a depressing view a few people have on pupils and teachers. I can only talk from my point of view but my son is at a Russell group Uni studying maths and statistics and my daughter hopefully will be at one next year. Both attend , attended, the local state school and were taught by excellent teachers. My sins teachers always ask if he is progressing well so it wasn't just a case of get him out of the door and forget about him. I am delighted at the education they have received and I can't thank their teachers enough , many went above and beyond what was required of them. Just out of curiosity, is the local state school you speak of located in a deprived inner city area or a nice leafy suburban one? The reason why I ask is because, to the best of my knowledge, the challenging inner city schools have teachers that are largely inadequate. I speculate that it is the latter rather than the former. It's interesting to see an example of how 'selection by house prices' benefits those that can afford to live in a particular area." The best of your knowledge is poor. Having worked, for the last 20 years, in all sorts of schools from those in wealthy areas which were selective and fee-paying institutions to some of the most deprived with kids living below the poverty line, and special schools, I can genuinely and honestly say that the most skilled, hardworking and talented teachers were all, without exception, at the lower end of the education spectrum. I found that in the fee-paying school the teaching methods were almost nonexistent. The children did well because they onky picked the best and most also had private tutoring at home. | |||
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"I love the word onky " Yea but you can only read it because a useless, over paid, under worked teacher taught you  | |||
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"I love the word onky " Lol I shall go and do 500 lines: I must check my writing for fat - fingered mistakes prior to posting. | |||
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"What a depressing view a few people have on pupils and teachers. I can only talk from my point of view but my son is at a Russell group Uni studying maths and statistics and my daughter hopefully will be at one next year. Both attend , attended, the local state school and were taught by excellent teachers. My sins teachers always ask if he is progressing well so it wasn't just a case of get him out of the door and forget about him. I am delighted at the education they have received and I can't thank their teachers enough , many went above and beyond what was required of them. Just out of curiosity, is the local state school you speak of located in a deprived inner city area or a nice leafy suburban one? The reason why I ask is because, to the best of my knowledge, the challenging inner city schools have teachers that are largely inadequate. I speculate that it is the latter rather than the former. It's interesting to see an example of how 'selection by house prices' benefits those that can afford to live in a particular area." East London with a catchment area of Walthamstow ,Leyton & Stratford so your speculation is wrong and your knowledge has failed you yet again. | |||
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"What a depressing view a few people have on pupils and teachers. I can only talk from my point of view but my son is at a Russell group Uni studying maths and statistics and my daughter hopefully will be at one next year. Both attend , attended, the local state school and were taught by excellent teachers. My sins teachers always ask if he is progressing well so it wasn't just a case of get him out of the door and forget about him. I am delighted at the education they have received and I can't thank their teachers enough , many went above and beyond what was required of them. Just out of curiosity, is the local state school you speak of located in a deprived inner city area or a nice leafy suburban one? The reason why I ask is because, to the best of my knowledge, the challenging inner city schools have teachers that are largely inadequate. I speculate that it is the latter rather than the former. It's interesting to see an example of how 'selection by house prices' benefits those that can afford to live in a particular area. The best of your knowledge is poor. Having worked, for the last 20 years, in all sorts of schools from those in wealthy areas which were selective and fee-paying institutions to some of the most deprived with kids living below the poverty line, and special schools, I can genuinely and honestly say that the most skilled, hardworking and talented teachers were all, without exception, at the lower end of the education spectrum. I found that in the fee-paying school the teaching methods were almost nonexistent. The children did well because they onky picked the best and most also had private tutoring at home. " Which country was this in? | |||
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"What a depressing view a few people have on pupils and teachers. I can only talk from my point of view but my son is at a Russell group Uni studying maths and statistics and my daughter hopefully will be at one next year. Both attend , attended, the local state school and were taught by excellent teachers. My sins teachers always ask if he is progressing well so it wasn't just a case of get him out of the door and forget about him. I am delighted at the education they have received and I can't thank their teachers enough , many went above and beyond what was required of them. Just out of curiosity, is the local state school you speak of located in a deprived inner city area or a nice leafy suburban one? The reason why I ask is because, to the best of my knowledge, the challenging inner city schools have teachers that are largely inadequate. I speculate that it is the latter rather than the former. It's interesting to see an example of how 'selection by house prices' benefits those that can afford to live in a particular area. The best of your knowledge is poor. Having worked, for the last 20 years, in all sorts of schools from those in wealthy areas which were selective and fee-paying institutions to some of the most deprived with kids living below the poverty line, and special schools, I can genuinely and honestly say that the most skilled, hardworking and talented teachers were all, without exception, at the lower end of the education spectrum. I found that in the fee-paying school the teaching methods were almost nonexistent. The children did well because they onky picked the best and most also had private tutoring at home. Which country was this in?" England | |||
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"What a depressing view a few people have on pupils and teachers. I can only talk from my point of view but my son is at a Russell group Uni studying maths and statistics and my daughter hopefully will be at one next year. Both attend , attended, the local state school and were taught by excellent teachers. My sins teachers always ask if he is progressing well so it wasn't just a case of get him out of the door and forget about him. I am delighted at the education they have received and I can't thank their teachers enough , many went above and beyond what was required of them. Just out of curiosity, is the local state school you speak of located in a deprived inner city area or a nice leafy suburban one? The reason why I ask is because, to the best of my knowledge, the challenging inner city schools have teachers that are largely inadequate. I speculate that it is the latter rather than the former. It's interesting to see an example of how 'selection by house prices' benefits those that can afford to live in a particular area. East London with a catchment area of Walthamstow ,Leyton & Stratford so your speculation is wrong and your knowledge has failed you yet again. " Really? According to the internet 'Walthamstow' is a village. It does not sound like a challenging inner city area to me. | |||
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"What a depressing view a few people have on pupils and teachers. I can only talk from my point of view but my son is at a Russell group Uni studying maths and statistics and my daughter hopefully will be at one next year. Both attend , attended, the local state school and were taught by excellent teachers. My sins teachers always ask if he is progressing well so it wasn't just a case of get him out of the door and forget about him. I am delighted at the education they have received and I can't thank their teachers enough , many went above and beyond what was required of them. Just out of curiosity, is the local state school you speak of located in a deprived inner city area or a nice leafy suburban one? The reason why I ask is because, to the best of my knowledge, the challenging inner city schools have teachers that are largely inadequate. I speculate that it is the latter rather than the former. It's interesting to see an example of how 'selection by house prices' benefits those that can afford to live in a particular area." The children I have in my life are in the inner city deprived areas. Excellent teachers and doing brilliantly at school. | |||
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