FabSwingers.com > Forums > The Lounge > Protien
Protien
Jump to: Newest in thread
 |
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
All you people working out and eating loads of protein or not working out and eating loads of protein.... I need advice please... I want to eat more healthy but I'm not a gym buddie (I might start couple classes as week)
I keep heating protein is really good for you and diet but always thought you needed it before a work out!
Can you still get healthy and good diet and lose weight with out gym and just protein??
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
You also need clean carbs but not a lot of carbs, limit your carb intake to around 30/40g's a day. And you also need good amounts if healthy days.
Chicken
Fish
Sweet potato
Nuts
Cottage cheese
Broccoli
Spinach
Brown rice
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
People who work out a lot eat protein because it's needed to repair muscle fibres after they've been damaged during training. That's what makes them grow.
You won't gain muscle just by eating protein. You will lose weight but only if you virtually eliminate all carbohydrate and alcohol from your diet and enter a state of ketosis.
Eating a balanced diet, watching portion sizes, restricting sugars and additives is much more beneficial than a high protein diet, for most people.
Exercising, even gently, will boost your metabolism though and will have numerous health benefits.
Now, if only I could follow my own advice! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
There's also a school of though that suggests not eating carbs and fats together will limit the amount of fat stored.
It's to do with the body's reaction to the carbs creating the ideal situation for the body to store the fat.
It's the basis of most food combining eating plans. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Unlike fat and carbs, protein wont store in your body as fat.
high protein diets can assist with weight loss but would be more successful when combined with some kind of exercise."
I walk to work 2-3 times a week that's half hour each way 
And I'm thinking of starting a couple classes at gym (body attack and body pump) I don't want loads of muscle I'd just like to eat the right foods and tone up |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"You also need clean carbs but not a lot of carbs, limit your carb intake to around 30/40g's a day. And you also need good amounts if healthy days.
Chicken
Fish
Sweet potato
Nuts
Cottage cheese
Broccoli
Spinach
Brown rice
"
roughly what would 30/40g a day of good carbs look like?
I like all the foods above
What would a daily diet be likely to be for me, in you're eyes |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"People who work out a lot eat protein because it's needed to repair muscle fibres after they've been damaged during training. That's what makes them grow.
You won't gain muscle just by eating protein. You will lose weight but only if you virtually eliminate all carbohydrate and alcohol from your diet and enter a state of ketosis.
Eating a balanced diet, watching portion sizes, restricting sugars and additives is much more beneficial than a high protein diet, for most people.
Exercising, even gently, will boost your metabolism though and will have numerous health benefits.
Now, if only I could follow my own advice!"
yes Iv heard about the repairing muscle.
Carbs are in practically everything vv even apples!
Are these smoothies of fruit and fat free yog ok to have then?? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"People who work out a lot eat protein because it's needed to repair muscle fibres after they've been damaged during training. That's what makes them grow.
You won't gain muscle just by eating protein. You will lose weight but only if you virtually eliminate all carbohydrate and alcohol from your diet and enter a state of ketosis.
Eating a balanced diet, watching portion sizes, restricting sugars and additives is much more beneficial than a high protein diet, for most people.
Exercising, even gently, will boost your metabolism though and will have numerous health benefits.
Now, if only I could follow my own advice! yes Iv heard about the repairing muscle.
Carbs are in practically everything vv even apples!
Are these smoothies of fruit and fat free yog ok to have then??"
Meat and fish, with the exception of liver and sausages filled with rusk etc, are low carb or no carb.
Most cheese is low carb or no carb as is a lot of dairy.
Green veg has carbs but can be eaten in limited quantities in a low carb diet.
Fruit is full of natural sugars and is generally very high in carbs. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"what would 30/40g a day of good carbs look like?
I like all the foods above
What would a daily diet be likely to be for me, in you're eyes"
Hmm I'm not to sure as I eat around 300/400g of Carbs a day as I eat about 6-8 meals hahah.
The best way is to calorie count which includes a carbs and protein counter as well; my fitness pal is probably the best.
40g of carbs maybe low to be fair. But I'm not that aware as it's completely to opposite end of be diet spectrum for me |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"what would 30/40g a day of good carbs look like?
I like all the foods above
What would a daily diet be likely to be for me, in you're eyes
Hmm I'm not to sure as I eat around 300/400g of Carbs a day as I eat about 6-8 meals hahah.
The best way is to calorie count which includes a carbs and protein counter as well; my fitness pal is probably the best.
40g of carbs maybe low to be fair. But I'm not that aware as it's completely to opposite end of be diet spectrum for me"
For a ketogenic diet I'd say 45-50g of carbs per day is a good starting point.
Further advice:
Ketostix can be used to check if the body is in ketosis and used to work out the effects of increasing or decreasing daily carbs.
Eat the carbs throughout the day, not all in one go.
Always be sure to drink lots of water on a ketogenic diet.
The first week or two of a ketogenic diet, while your body adjusts, is very difficult. Stick with it. It gets a lot easier. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Beware of fat free and low fat products. They often contain added sugar and additives to make them taste nicer."
Very true. Low calories doesn't always equal most healthy.
Be careful with sugar and salt additives. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"what would 30/40g a day of good carbs look like?
I like all the foods above
What would a daily diet be likely to be for me, in you're eyes
Hmm I'm not to sure as I eat around 300/400g of Carbs a day as I eat about 6-8 meals hahah.
The best way is to calorie count which includes a carbs and protein counter as well; my fitness pal is probably the best.
40g of carbs maybe low to be fair. But I'm not that aware as it's completely to opposite end of be diet spectrum for me
For a ketogenic diet I'd say 45-50g of carbs per day is a good starting point.
Further advice:
Ketostix can be used to check if the body is in ketosis and used to work out the effects of increasing or decreasing daily carbs.
Eat the carbs throughout the day, not all in one go.
Always be sure to drink lots of water on a ketogenic diet.
The first week or two of a ketogenic diet, while your body adjusts, is very difficult. Stick with it. It gets a lot easier. "
OMG what is a ketogenic diet vv?
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Beware of fat free and low fat products. They often contain added sugar and additives to make them taste nicer.
Very true. Low calories doesn't always equal most healthy.
Be careful with sugar and salt additives. "
yes I understand this too, I just stick with fat free natural or Greek yoghurt with berries or gronola if I'm being naughty  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"what would 30/40g a day of good carbs look like?
I like all the foods above
What would a daily diet be likely to be for me, in you're eyes
Hmm I'm not to sure as I eat around 300/400g of Carbs a day as I eat about 6-8 meals hahah.
The best way is to calorie count which includes a carbs and protein counter as well; my fitness pal is probably the best.
40g of carbs maybe low to be fair. But I'm not that aware as it's completely to opposite end of be diet spectrum for me"
hmmmm wrong person to ask then E-j |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"People who work out a lot eat protein because it's needed to repair muscle fibres after they've been damaged during training. That's what makes them grow.
You won't gain muscle just by eating protein. You will lose weight but only if you virtually eliminate all carbohydrate and alcohol from your diet and enter a state of ketosis.
Eating a balanced diet, watching portion sizes, restricting sugars and additives is much more beneficial than a high protein diet, for most people.
Exercising, even gently, will boost your metabolism though and will have numerous health benefits.
Now, if only I could follow my own advice! yes Iv heard about the repairing muscle.
Carbs are in practically everything vv even apples!
Are these smoothies of fruit and fat free yog ok to have then??
Meat and fish, with the exception of liver and sausages filled with rusk etc, are low carb or no carb.
Most cheese is low carb or no carb as is a lot of dairy.
Green veg has carbs but can be eaten in limited quantities in a low carb diet.
Fruit is full of natural sugars and is generally very high in carbs."
ok so should I limit my smoothies?  I can't go with no fruit or veg |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"People who work out a lot eat protein because it's needed to repair muscle fibres after they've been damaged during training. That's what makes them grow.
You won't gain muscle just by eating protein. You will lose weight but only if you virtually eliminate all carbohydrate and alcohol from your diet and enter a state of ketosis.
Eating a balanced diet, watching portion sizes, restricting sugars and additives is much more beneficial than a high protein diet, for most people.
Exercising, even gently, will boost your metabolism though and will have numerous health benefits.
Now, if only I could follow my own advice! yes Iv heard about the repairing muscle.
Carbs are in practically everything vv even apples!
Are these smoothies of fruit and fat free yog ok to have then??
Meat and fish, with the exception of liver and sausages filled with rusk etc, are low carb or no carb.
Most cheese is low carb or no carb as is a lot of dairy.
Green veg has carbs but can be eaten in limited quantities in a low carb diet.
Fruit is full of natural sugars and is generally very high in carbs. ok so should I limit my smoothies? I can't go with no fruit or veg "
In which case, go with a balanced diet and sensible portions. Cut sugar intake and limit foods like bread and potatoes. Eat fresh food where possible and check the labels of everything for added sugar (and salt, additives etc.)
A high protein diet is unlikely to help without severely restricting carbs. To do that you'd have to cut out most fruit. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"REduce your calories and carbs but increase protein and ofcourse do about 30min of cardio aday."
I need an idea of breakfast, lunch and dinner for this shag
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"People who work out a lot eat protein because it's needed to repair muscle fibres after they've been damaged during training. That's what makes them grow.
You won't gain muscle just by eating protein. You will lose weight but only if you virtually eliminate all carbohydrate and alcohol from your diet and enter a state of ketosis.
Eating a balanced diet, watching portion sizes, restricting sugars and additives is much more beneficial than a high protein diet, for most people.
Exercising, even gently, will boost your metabolism though and will have numerous health benefits.
Now, if only I could follow my own advice! yes Iv heard about the repairing muscle.
Carbs are in practically everything vv even apples!
Are these smoothies of fruit and fat free yog ok to have then??
Meat and fish, with the exception of liver and sausages filled with rusk etc, are low carb or no carb.
Most cheese is low carb or no carb as is a lot of dairy.
Green veg has carbs but can be eaten in limited quantities in a low carb diet.
Fruit is full of natural sugars and is generally very high in carbs. ok so should I limit my smoothies? I can't go with no fruit or veg
In which case, go with a balanced diet and sensible portions. Cut sugar intake and limit foods like bread and potatoes. Eat fresh food where possible and check the labels of everything for added sugar (and salt, additives etc.)
A high protein diet is unlikely to help without severely restricting carbs. To do that you'd have to cut out most fruit."
So no homemade chips once a week
No smoothies
I have wraps instead of bread (wholemeal ones) |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"REduce your calories and carbs but increase protein and ofcourse do about 30min of cardio aday. I need an idea of breakfast, lunch and dinner for this shag"
It depends on what your target calorie intake is. That depends on a lot of factors, (height, weight, body composition, how much weight you want to lose, how active you are, age...)
There's loads of information available on the Internet, so plenty of research material available. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"People who work out a lot eat protein because it's needed to repair muscle fibres after they've been damaged during training. That's what makes them grow.
You won't gain muscle just by eating protein. You will lose weight but only if you virtually eliminate all carbohydrate and alcohol from your diet and enter a state of ketosis.
Eating a balanced diet, watching portion sizes, restricting sugars and additives is much more beneficial than a high protein diet, for most people.
Exercising, even gently, will boost your metabolism though and will have numerous health benefits.
Now, if only I could follow my own advice! yes Iv heard about the repairing muscle.
Carbs are in practically everything vv even apples!
Are these smoothies of fruit and fat free yog ok to have then??
Meat and fish, with the exception of liver and sausages filled with rusk etc, are low carb or no carb.
Most cheese is low carb or no carb as is a lot of dairy.
Green veg has carbs but can be eaten in limited quantities in a low carb diet.
Fruit is full of natural sugars and is generally very high in carbs. ok so should I limit my smoothies? I can't go with no fruit or veg
In which case, go with a balanced diet and sensible portions. Cut sugar intake and limit foods like bread and potatoes. Eat fresh food where possible and check the labels of everything for added sugar (and salt, additives etc.)
A high protein diet is unlikely to help without severely restricting carbs. To do that you'd have to cut out most fruit.
So no homemade chips once a week
No smoothies
I have wraps instead of bread (wholemeal ones) "
Chips and smoothies could be incorporated into a healthy diet easily enough.
They don't fit into low carb diets though.
Low carb isn't your only option. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Do weight training. Women dont get huge without huge amounts of training, very strict diets and in the extreme women, a bit of testosterone added. It will make you stronger, more flexible, with a sexy ass. And its more fun than cardio. As for diet if it has more than 1 ingredient on the packet its probably not good for you. Try paleo, its easy to folloe and focuses on positive health rather than numbers and powders. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"People who work out a lot eat protein because it's needed to repair muscle fibres after they've been damaged during training. That's what makes them grow.
You won't gain muscle just by eating protein. You will lose weight but only if you virtually eliminate all carbohydrate and alcohol from your diet and enter a state of ketosis.
Eating a balanced diet, watching portion sizes, restricting sugars and additives is much more beneficial than a high protein diet, for most people.
Exercising, even gently, will boost your metabolism though and will have numerous health benefits.
Now, if only I could follow my own advice! yes Iv heard about the repairing muscle.
Carbs are in practically everything vv even apples!
Are these smoothies of fruit and fat free yog ok to have then??
Meat and fish, with the exception of liver and sausages filled with rusk etc, are low carb or no carb.
Most cheese is low carb or no carb as is a lot of dairy.
Green veg has carbs but can be eaten in limited quantities in a low carb diet.
Fruit is full of natural sugars and is generally very high in carbs. ok so should I limit my smoothies? I can't go with no fruit or veg
In which case, go with a balanced diet and sensible portions. Cut sugar intake and limit foods like bread and potatoes. Eat fresh food where possible and check the labels of everything for added sugar (and salt, additives etc.)
A high protein diet is unlikely to help without severely restricting carbs. To do that you'd have to cut out most fruit.
So no homemade chips once a week
No smoothies
I have wraps instead of bread (wholemeal ones)
Chips and smoothies could be incorporated into a healthy diet easily enough.
They don't fit into low carb diets though.
Low carb isn't your only option."
say I was on weight watchers that's 26 points a day, unsure of calories a day?
That includes loads of badies.
Our allowance is what... 2000 calories a day if I state off off and reduce it to 1000 would that help?
And carbs say only 2 times a week? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Do weight training. Women dont get huge without huge amounts of training, very strict diets and in the extreme women, a bit of testosterone added. It will make you stronger, more flexible, with a sexy ass. And its more fun than cardio. As for diet if it has more than 1 ingredient on the packet its probably not good for you. Try paleo, its easy to folloe and focuses on positive health rather than numbers and powders."
I don't want to get huge
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Do weight training. Women dont get huge without huge amounts of training, very strict diets and in the extreme women, a bit of testosterone added. It will make you stronger, more flexible, with a sexy ass. And its more fun than cardio. As for diet if it has more than 1 ingredient on the packet its probably not good for you. Try paleo, its easy to folloe and focuses on positive health rather than numbers and powders. I don't want to get huge "
like i said. Women cannot get huge without ridiculous gym effort, diet and added growth hormones. You dont produce enough HGH to get big like men do. You will, get leaner, stronger, and more flexible. And with enough squats and hip thrusts and reverse hyper extensions the booty of a godess!
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Do weight training. Women dont get huge without huge amounts of training, very strict diets and in the extreme women, a bit of testosterone added. It will make you stronger, more flexible, with a sexy ass. And its more fun than cardio. As for diet if it has more than 1 ingredient on the packet its probably not good for you. Try paleo, its easy to folloe and focuses on positive health rather than numbers and powders. I don't want to get huge like i said. Women cannot get huge without ridiculous gym effort, diet and added growth hormones. You dont produce enough HGH to get big like men do. You will, get leaner, stronger, and more flexible. And with enough squats and hip thrusts and reverse hyper extensions the booty of a godess!"
ah sorry I must of read it wrong.
Reverse hyper extensions?? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Do weight training. Women dont get huge without huge amounts of training, very strict diets and in the extreme women, a bit of testosterone added. It will make you stronger, more flexible, with a sexy ass. And its more fun than cardio. As for diet if it has more than 1 ingredient on the packet its probably not good for you. Try paleo, its easy to folloe and focuses on positive health rather than numbers and powders. I don't want to get huge like i said. Women cannot get huge without ridiculous gym effort, diet and added growth hormones. You dont produce enough HGH to get big like men do. You will, get leaner, stronger, and more flexible. And with enough squats and hip thrusts and reverse hyper extensions the booty of a godess! ah sorry I must of read it wrong.
Reverse hyper extensions?? "
Imagine being bent over the dining room table, then keeping your legs straight bring your ankles parralel with your waist. So your laying horizontal. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"what would 30/40g a day of good carbs look like?
I like all the foods above
What would a daily diet be likely to be for me, in you're eyes
Hmm I'm not to sure as I eat around 300/400g of Carbs a day as I eat about 6-8 meals hahah.
The best way is to calorie count which includes a carbs and protein counter as well; my fitness pal is probably the best.
40g of carbs maybe low to be fair. But I'm not that aware as it's completely to opposite end of be diet spectrum for me"
This. get yourself on MFP - read the boards there, you will learn all you need to know. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Do weight training. Women dont get huge without huge amounts of training, very strict diets and in the extreme women, a bit of testosterone added. It will make you stronger, more flexible, with a sexy ass. And its more fun than cardio. As for diet if it has more than 1 ingredient on the packet its probably not good for you. Try paleo, its easy to folloe and focuses on positive health rather than numbers and powders. I don't want to get huge like i said. Women cannot get huge without ridiculous gym effort, diet and added growth hormones. You dont produce enough HGH to get big like men do. You will, get leaner, stronger, and more flexible. And with enough squats and hip thrusts and reverse hyper extensions the booty of a godess! ah sorry I must of read it wrong.
Reverse hyper extensions??
Imagine being bent over the dining room table, then keeping your legs straight bring your ankles parralel with your waist. So your laying horizontal. "
can I do that lying on my back?? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"what would 30/40g a day of good carbs look like?
I like all the foods above
What would a daily diet be likely to be for me, in you're eyes
Hmm I'm not to sure as I eat around 300/400g of Carbs a day as I eat about 6-8 meals hahah.
The best way is to calorie count which includes a carbs and protein counter as well; my fitness pal is probably the best.
40g of carbs maybe low to be fair. But I'm not that aware as it's completely to opposite end of be diet spectrum for me
This. get yourself on MFP - read the boards there, you will learn all you need to know. "
do I just google mpf?
Iv just googled protein fluff I'm in heaven!!!  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
Google 'myfitnesspal'
There are good fora on Bodybuilding.com too, but I prefer MFP.
re: paleo, I have loads of (mostly intellectual) problems with it - do it if you want to, but there really is no need if you aren't inclined. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Google 'myfitnesspal'
There are good fora on Bodybuilding.com too, but I prefer MFP.
re: paleo, I have loads of (mostly intellectual) problems with it - do it if you want to, but there really is no need if you aren't inclined. "
what is paleo? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Google 'myfitnesspal'
There are good fora on Bodybuilding.com too, but I prefer MFP.
re: paleo, I have loads of (mostly intellectual) problems with it - do it if you want to, but there really is no need if you aren't inclined. what is paleo? "
The 'paleo' diet is a low-carb diet that some loon has decided is closer to what paleolithic man ate and therefore what humanity is more genetically predisposed to eat.
This assumes two things that I have immense problems with:
1) Humanity has not evolved whatsoever since then
2) There is some sort of fixed "diet" that prehistorc man ate.... which shows an astonishing lack of grasp of basic geography or, indeed seasonality. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Google 'myfitnesspal'
There are good fora on Bodybuilding.com too, but I prefer MFP.
re: paleo, I have loads of (mostly intellectual) problems with it - do it if you want to, but there really is no need if you aren't inclined. what is paleo?
The 'paleo' diet is a low-carb diet that some loon has decided is closer to what paleolithic man ate and therefore what humanity is more genetically predisposed to eat.
This assumes two things that I have immense problems with:
1) Humanity has not evolved whatsoever since then
2) There is some sort of fixed "diet" that prehistorc man ate.... which shows an astonishing lack of grasp of basic geography or, indeed seasonality. "
I will just cut out some carbs I won't be doing that diet |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Google 'myfitnesspal'
There are good fora on Bodybuilding.com too, but I prefer MFP.
re: paleo, I have loads of (mostly intellectual) problems with it - do it if you want to, but there really is no need if you aren't inclined. what is paleo?
The 'paleo' diet is a low-carb diet that some loon has decided is closer to what paleolithic man ate and therefore what humanity is more genetically predisposed to eat.
This assumes two things that I have immense problems with:
1) Humanity has not evolved whatsoever since then
2) There is some sort of fixed "diet" that prehistorc man ate.... which shows an astonishing lack of grasp of basic geography or, indeed seasonality. "
I agree with some things paleo. Alot of paleo advocated do over estimate mans hunting ability! And as for the geography, metabolic typing looks closely at that. One thing is common and it is a lack of processed foods in these styles of diets. As man hasnt evolved that much in the last 50 years to deal with the quantities of refined foods, trans fats and sugars. And the sheer volume of food readily available! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Google 'myfitnesspal'
There are good fora on Bodybuilding.com too, but I prefer MFP.
re: paleo, I have loads of (mostly intellectual) problems with it - do it if you want to, but there really is no need if you aren't inclined. what is paleo?
The 'paleo' diet is a low-carb diet that some loon has decided is closer to what paleolithic man ate and therefore what humanity is more genetically predisposed to eat.
This assumes two things that I have immense problems with:
1) Humanity has not evolved whatsoever since then
2) There is some sort of fixed "diet" that prehistorc man ate.... which shows an astonishing lack of grasp of basic geography or, indeed seasonality.
I agree with some things paleo. Alot of paleo advocated do over estimate mans hunting ability! And as for the geography, metabolic typing looks closely at that. One thing is common and it is a lack of processed foods in these styles of diets. As man hasnt evolved that much in the last 50 years to deal with the quantities of refined foods, trans fats and sugars. And the sheer volume of food readily available!"
Not to mention, we have very little idea what carbs man ate then because it was pre-agriculture, so they don't live on in folk memory and they break down very quickly in the gut so are hard to distinguish in the stomach contents of mummified 'bog men' whereas animals leave bones etc.
For example - in northern Europe, the flag iris produces a highly edible, carb rich tuber and is found near almost every slow-moving water source. Do you suppose paleolithic man here did not know that? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
I was going to send you a copy of my diet that I use. I've lost 1.5stone, gained muscle and can easily run 10k now. Aiming for a half marathon in a few weeks. But I can't.
So a basic day for me is breakfast scrambled eggs with salmon and 2 slices of granary bread. A wrap with tuna and a shit load of salad for lunch. Dinner is either turkey chilli and sweet potato wedges or fish and Mediterranean vegetables. I have 1 snack a day which is usually fruit, I'm going through a watermelon stage at the moment.
I do train twice a week with a personal trainer and twice a week without. I also run and do yoga. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"All you people working out and eating loads of protein or not working out and eating loads of protein.... I need advice please... I want to eat more healthy but I'm not a gym buddie (I might start couple classes as week)
I keep heating protein is really good for you and diet but always thought you needed it before a work out!
Can you still get healthy and good diet and lose weight with out gym and just protein??
"
Err if it's not being used to build muscle your body will strip the amino acids down to metabolise them.
Ie adding extra protein to your diet will cause you to gain fat not lose it if you arnt using the protein or burning the excess.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"I was going to send you a copy of my diet that I use. I've lost 1.5stone, gained muscle and can easily run 10k now. Aiming for a half marathon in a few weeks. But I can't.
So a basic day for me is breakfast scrambled eggs with salmon and 2 slices of granary bread. A wrap with tuna and a shit load of salad for lunch. Dinner is either turkey chilli and sweet potato wedges or fish and Mediterranean vegetables. I have 1 snack a day which is usually fruit, I'm going through a watermelon stage at the moment.
I do train twice a week with a personal trainer and twice a week without. I also run and do yoga. "
 that's great Iv been advised to cut out most carbs |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"All you people working out and eating loads of protein or not working out and eating loads of protein.... I need advice please... I want to eat more healthy but I'm not a gym buddie (I might start couple classes as week)
I keep heating protein is really good for you and diet but always thought you needed it before a work out!
Can you still get healthy and good diet and lose weight with out gym and just protein??
Err if it's not being used to build muscle your body will strip the amino acids down to metabolise them.
Ie adding extra protein to your diet will cause you to gain fat not lose it if you arnt using the protein or burning the excess.
"
Exactly - a caloric surplus will cause you to gain weight regardless of its macronutrient composition. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"I was going to send you a copy of my diet that I use. I've lost 1.5stone, gained muscle and can easily run 10k now. Aiming for a half marathon in a few weeks. But I can't.
So a basic day for me is breakfast scrambled eggs with salmon and 2 slices of granary bread. A wrap with tuna and a shit load of salad for lunch. Dinner is either turkey chilli and sweet potato wedges or fish and Mediterranean vegetables. I have 1 snack a day which is usually fruit, I'm going through a watermelon stage at the moment.
I do train twice a week with a personal trainer and twice a week without. I also run and do yoga. that's great Iv been advised to cut out most carbs "
You don't have to do that unless there is some other reason for doing it - ie you are slightly gluten intolerant. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"There's also a school of though that suggests not eating carbs and fats together will limit the amount of fat stored.
It's to do with the body's reaction to the carbs creating the ideal situation for the body to store the fat.
It's the basis of most food combining eating plans."
All these "theories" that get trotted out for each new amazing new discovery are all talking about shaving fractions of a percent off waste or improving efficiency etx.
Nearly all of them are not even statistically relevant deviations and none of them are double blind tested.
They may be of some merit is you are the top of your game athlete with an dedicated and very precise person controlling exactly what you eat but for the normal person they're just there to sell the latest book or magazine.
OP if your weight is stable one of the simplest ways to lose weight is simply lay out your plat like normal then take say 1/5th back off it and only eat the remaining 80 percent. (Do this till you can just guess the new size properly. And take off everything equally don't just dump the bit you don't like)
If you weight was stable before ( so we're in a balance of cals in to cals out) you'll now be running a calorie deficit that will gradually reduce your weight.
Until you reach a point where your in balance again and will need to reduce if your still not where you wish to be.
Remember fat actually takes a fairly considerable amount of energy too keep alive ( it's still cells after all) so as you lose it the amount of calories you need to maintain your weight reduces too. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"There's also a school of though that suggests not eating carbs and fats together will limit the amount of fat stored.
It's to do with the body's reaction to the carbs creating the ideal situation for the body to store the fat.
It's the basis of most food combining eating plans.
All these "theories" that get trotted out for each new amazing new discovery are all talking about shaving fractions of a percent off waste or improving efficiency etx.
Nearly all of them are not even statistically relevant deviations and none of them are double blind tested.
They may be of some merit is you are the top of your game athlete with an dedicated and very precise person controlling exactly what you eat but for the normal person they're just there to sell the latest book or magazine.
OP if your weight is stable one of the simplest ways to lose weight is simply lay out your plat like normal then take say 1/5th back off it and only eat the remaining 80 percent. (Do this till you can just guess the new size properly. And take off everything equally don't just dump the bit you don't like)
If you weight was stable before ( so we're in a balance of cals in to cals out) you'll now be running a calorie deficit that will gradually reduce your weight.
Until you reach a point where your in balance again and will need to reduce if your still not where you wish to be.
Remember fat actually takes a fairly considerable amount of energy too keep alive ( it's still cells after all) so as you lose it the amount of calories you need to maintain your weight reduces too."
Or get on MFP and log your food so you can tweak your calories accordingly. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"There's also a school of though that suggests not eating carbs and fats together will limit the amount of fat stored.
It's to do with the body's reaction to the carbs creating the ideal situation for the body to store the fat.
It's the basis of most food combining eating plans.
All these "theories" that get trotted out for each new amazing new discovery are all talking about shaving fractions of a percent off waste or improving efficiency etx.
Nearly all of them are not even statistically relevant deviations and none of them are double blind tested.
They may be of some merit is you are the top of your game athlete with an dedicated and very precise person controlling exactly what you eat but for the normal person they're just there to sell the latest book or magazine.
OP if your weight is stable one of the simplest ways to lose weight is simply lay out your plat like normal then take say 1/5th back off it and only eat the remaining 80 percent. (Do this till you can just guess the new size properly. And take off everything equally don't just dump the bit you don't like)
If you weight was stable before ( so we're in a balance of cals in to cals out) you'll now be running a calorie deficit that will gradually reduce your weight.
Until you reach a point where your in balance again and will need to reduce if your still not where you wish to be.
Remember fat actually takes a fairly considerable amount of energy too keep alive ( it's still cells after all) so as you lose it the amount of calories you need to maintain your weight reduces too."
it goes between 9 stone 5 which is my lowest in the past year and 9 stone 12  my highest in past year... I want to be below 9 stone like 8 stone 9 |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"There's also a school of though that suggests not eating carbs and fats together will limit the amount of fat stored.
It's to do with the body's reaction to the carbs creating the ideal situation for the body to store the fat.
It's the basis of most food combining eating plans.
All these "theories" that get trotted out for each new amazing new discovery are all talking about shaving fractions of a percent off waste or improving efficiency etx.
Nearly all of them are not even statistically relevant deviations and none of them are double blind tested.
They may be of some merit is you are the top of your game athlete with an dedicated and very precise person controlling exactly what you eat but for the normal person they're just there to sell the latest book or magazine.
OP if your weight is stable one of the simplest ways to lose weight is simply lay out your plat like normal then take say 1/5th back off it and only eat the remaining 80 percent. (Do this till you can just guess the new size properly. And take off everything equally don't just dump the bit you don't like)
If you weight was stable before ( so we're in a balance of cals in to cals out) you'll now be running a calorie deficit that will gradually reduce your weight.
Until you reach a point where your in balance again and will need to reduce if your still not where you wish to be.
Remember fat actually takes a fairly considerable amount of energy too keep alive ( it's still cells after all) so as you lose it the amount of calories you need to maintain your weight reduces too.
Or get on MFP and log your food so you can tweak your calories accordingly. "
That requires significantly more effort than most people will do lol.
spooning some back into the left over box is usualy a good start, then they see improvement and get motivation to make more effort.
Also interestingly when studied people who are over weight when given good dairies or simply questioned on the amount they eat nearly always record significantly below what they are measured to consume. I can't remember what the reasoning was though a lot of it just genuinely seem to be they were just doing it out of habit and it dint really register to them |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"how about increase in my volume. of cum any ideas ???"
Collect it all in an old milk bottle then just as your about to come pull it out from under the bed and throw it in her face.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"
All these "theories" that get trotted out for each new amazing new discovery are all talking about shaving fractions of a percent off waste or improving efficiency etx.
Nearly all of them are not even statistically relevant deviations and none of them are double blind tested.
"
Perhaps. However there is almost certainly merit in some of them.
Think about it in simple terms. There need to be certain conditions in the body for fat storage to occur. Don't provide fat at the same time as putting the body in that state and you're less likely to store fat. That's one school of thought, like I said. Other theories exist.
The OP has been given some different options to consider. This one - food combining - is the basis of the Slimming World eating plan which many find very easy to follow and successful.
I'd say it's the absolute opposite of having to be at the top of your game and control everything you eat. It's a simple guideline that anyone can try.
Personally Slimming World doesn't suit me, and I'm not sold on the "science" but a lot of people do lose weight that way. Some even make long term changes to their lifestyle and keep it off.
The flipside of scientific merit and double blind studies is if you find something that works for you, use it, even if you're not sure why it works. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"There's also a school of though that suggests not eating carbs and fats together will limit the amount of fat stored.
It's to do with the body's reaction to the carbs creating the ideal situation for the body to store the fat.
It's the basis of most food combining eating plans.
All these "theories" that get trotted out for each new amazing new discovery are all talking about shaving fractions of a percent off waste or improving efficiency etx.
Nearly all of them are not even statistically relevant deviations and none of them are double blind tested.
They may be of some merit is you are the top of your game athlete with an dedicated and very precise person controlling exactly what you eat but for the normal person they're just there to sell the latest book or magazine.
OP if your weight is stable one of the simplest ways to lose weight is simply lay out your plat like normal then take say 1/5th back off it and only eat the remaining 80 percent. (Do this till you can just guess the new size properly. And take off everything equally don't just dump the bit you don't like)
If you weight was stable before ( so we're in a balance of cals in to cals out) you'll now be running a calorie deficit that will gradually reduce your weight.
Until you reach a point where your in balance again and will need to reduce if your still not where you wish to be.
Remember fat actually takes a fairly considerable amount of energy too keep alive ( it's still cells after all) so as you lose it the amount of calories you need to maintain your weight reduces too.
Or get on MFP and log your food so you can tweak your calories accordingly. "
And not forgetting, if you're gaining muscle as you lose the fat, that affects overall calorie requirements too. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"
All these "theories" that get trotted out for each new amazing new discovery are all talking about shaving fractions of a percent off waste or improving efficiency etx.
Nearly all of them are not even statistically relevant deviations and none of them are double blind tested.
Perhaps. However there is almost certainly merit in some of them.
Think about it in simple terms. There need to be certain conditions in the body for fat storage to occur. Don't provide fat at the same time as putting the body in that state and you're less likely to store fat. That's one school of thought, like I said. Other theories exist.
The OP has been given some different options to consider. This one - food combining - is the basis of the Slimming World eating plan which many find very easy to follow and successful.
I'd say it's the absolute opposite of having to be at the top of your game and control everything you eat. It's a simple guideline that anyone can try.
Personally Slimming World doesn't suit me, and I'm not sold on the "science" but a lot of people do lose weight that way. Some even make long term changes to their lifestyle and keep it off.
The flipside of scientific merit and double blind studies is if you find something that works for you, use it, even if you're not sure why it works."
That's not how it works dietary fat doesn't equal body fat.
Your body constantly needs fat it's not a case of it just burning it for energy if you need to make a new cell the lipids to form the phospholipid cell wall has to come from somewhere.
In the situation you give depending on your bodies need a t the time you could be using the fat for your bodies function and at the same time actually converting the carbs to glycogen then fat to store.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"That's not how it works dietary fat doesn't equal body fat.
Your body constantly needs fat it's not a case of it just burning it for energy if you need to make a new cell the lipids to form the phospholipid cell wall has to come from somewhere.
In the situation you give depending on your bodies need a t the time you could be using the fat for your bodies function and at the same time actually converting the carbs to glycogen then fat to store.
"
Well duh, obviously dietary fat is different to body fat and I never suggested it was.
I don't think you've understood my point.
But anyway, it's a theory, it's not my theory, I don't use it and have no emotional investment in what others think of it.
It is, however, the basis of an approach that works for a lot of people and is an option available to the OP.
I, personal, am not sold on paleo either but someone has suggested it as another option.
It's up to the OP to work out what suits her. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
To be honest. You're doing the right thing already. You eat clean, healthy and i know you stay away from processed food. Yoy just need to go back to your workouts and start exercising again.
Just remember, because you're working out doesn't mean you're going to end up with bulging muscles - everything has a process. So, does that.
...just do all that after you've had all those fatty smoothies lol
 |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
Just to add: you cannot in any reasonable sense (unless you are new to weight training - see: "newbie gains") gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. Gaining anything requires a caloric surplus, and as you gain muscle, you will likley gain a bit of fat too. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
I'm totally confused by all the science therory bits 
Want to loose a good 9-10 lb slowly
Iv been given some advice of a diet but most days I can't eat cheese, milk or fruit! very little carbs |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I'm totally confused by all the science therory bits
Want to loose a good 9-10 lb slowly
Iv been given some advice of a diet but most days I can't eat cheese, milk or fruit! very little carbs "
No wonder your confused. There's so much on the internet at the moment. And no fruit isn't good! What happened to your 5 a day |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"I'm totally confused by all the science therory bits
Want to loose a good 9-10 lb slowly
Iv been given some advice of a diet but most days I can't eat cheese, milk or fruit! very little carbs
No wonder your confused. There's so much on the internet at the moment. And no fruit isn't good! What happened to your 5 a day "
it's because they have carbs QOT IV BEEN MAKING SMOOTHIES AND REALLY ENJOY THEM ooops didn't mean caps |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"Just to add: you cannot in any reasonable sense (unless you are new to weight training - see: "newbie gains") gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. Gaining anything requires a caloric surplus, and as you gain muscle, you will likley gain a bit of fat too."
Newbie gains and muscle memory are two of my all-time favourite phrases |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"I'm totally confused by all the science therory bits
Want to loose a good 9-10 lb slowly
Iv been given some advice of a diet but most days I can't eat cheese, milk or fruit! very little carbs
No wonder your confused. There's so much on the internet at the moment. And no fruit isn't good! What happened to your 5 a day it's because they have carbs QOT IV BEEN MAKING SMOOTHIES AND REALLY ENJOY THEM ooops didn't mean caps "
No, no... you've been given some suggestions, that's all.
You asked about a high protein diet. You won't lose weight eating a high protein diet unless you have a calorie deficit too. You'll lose it faster if you reduce carbs to 45-50g per day and enter a state of ketosis.
Reducing carbs is an option and the way some on thus thread approach weight loss. Other options, as suggested by other posters, exist.
You can still get 5 a day without fruit too, to answer QoT. Green vegetables are the answer to that one. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"I'm totally confused by all the science therory bits
Want to loose a good 9-10 lb slowly
Iv been given some advice of a diet but most days I can't eat cheese, milk or fruit! very little carbs
No wonder your confused. There's so much on the internet at the moment. And no fruit isn't good! What happened to your 5 a day it's because they have carbs QOT IV BEEN MAKING SMOOTHIES AND REALLY ENJOY THEM ooops didn't mean caps
No, no... you've been given some suggestions, that's all.
You asked about a high protein diet. You won't lose weight eating a high protein diet unless you have a calorie deficit too. You'll lose it faster if you reduce carbs to 45-50g per day and enter a state of ketosis.
Reducing carbs is an option and the way some on thus thread approach weight loss. Other options, as suggested by other posters, exist.
You can still get 5 a day without fruit too, to answer QoT. Green vegetables are the answer to that one."
I need to find out what 45-50g looks like I.e cup full of rice, pasta or 2-3 portions of fruit.
So if I'm doing hight protien diet I have to lower my calorie intake? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
Hit the weights for 45min a day.
& ditch the cardio.
But get your squats n lunges in.
Eat well and take weekends off, eat burgers, drink n party.
I ditched the beer though in favour of straight scotch about 8 years ago though.
Look into the protein when your a couple of months in. By that time you will know what your body needs.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Hit the weights for 45min a day.
& ditch the cardio.
But get your squats n lunges in.
Eat well and take weekends off, eat burgers, drink n party.
I ditched the beer though in favour of straight scotch about 8 years ago though.
Look into the protein when your a couple of months in. By that time you will know what your body needs.
"
eat what ever I like weekends ? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Hit the weights for 45min a day.
& ditch the cardio.
But get your squats n lunges in.
Eat well and take weekends off, eat burgers, drink n party.
I ditched the beer though in favour of straight scotch about 8 years ago though.
Look into the protein when your a couple of months in. By that time you will know what your body needs.
eat what ever I like weekends ?"
It depends what your aim is.
If it is to look like the person that gave you this advice, then yeah weights and no cardio. If you just wamt to lose a bit of weight and tone up, then a mix of cardio and weights is needed. And no, eating what you like every weekend isn't going to help.
Best advice is to ask around, use Facebbok and find a local personal trainer that can give you advice. If you get stuck pm me and I can recomend someone that will help you online.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Hit the weights for 45min a day.
& ditch the cardio.
But get your squats n lunges in.
Eat well and take weekends off, eat burgers, drink n party.
I ditched the beer though in favour of straight scotch about 8 years ago though.
Look into the protein when your a couple of months in. By that time you will know what your body needs.
eat what ever I like weekends ?
It depends what your aim is.
If it is to look like the person that gave you this advice, then yeah weights and no cardio. If you just wamt to lose a bit of weight and tone up, then a mix of cardio and weights is needed. And no, eating what you like every weekend isn't going to help.
Best advice is to ask around, use Facebbok and find a local personal trainer that can give you advice. If you get stuck pm me and I can recomend someone that will help you online.
"
Cardio is the optional bit, I would recommend most people incorporate strength training in some form. You will not look like the poster that gave you that advice, you'll look like you, but smaller.
But, having read what the OPs aims are, I'm tempted to go with the recommendation just to eat a bit less.. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Hit the weights for 45min a day.
& ditch the cardio.
But get your squats n lunges in.
Eat well and take weekends off, eat burgers, drink n party.
I ditched the beer though in favour of straight scotch about 8 years ago though.
Look into the protein when your a couple of months in. By that time you will know what your body needs.
eat what ever I like weekends ?
It depends what your aim is.
If it is to look like the person that gave you this advice, then yeah weights and no cardio. If you just wamt to lose a bit of weight and tone up, then a mix of cardio and weights is needed. And no, eating what you like every weekend isn't going to help.
Best advice is to ask around, use Facebbok and find a local personal trainer that can give you advice. If you get stuck pm me and I can recomend someone that will help you online.
Cardio is the optional bit, I would recommend most people incorporate strength training in some form. You will not look like the poster that gave you that advice, you'll look like you, but smaller.
But, having read what the OPs aims are, I'm tempted to go with the recommendation just to eat a bit less.."
I need a personal trainer and a chef! Ha |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I'm totally confused by all the science therory bits
Want to loose a good 9-10 lb slowly
Iv been given some advice of a diet but most days I can't eat cheese, milk or fruit! very little carbs "
Seriously just reduce portion size.
Job done for that little weight loss. No need to over complicate things. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
» Add a new message to this topic
