FabSwingers.com > Forums > The Lounge > christians

christians

Jump to: Newest in thread

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Do we have any Christian swingers

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

We do, plus Jewish, Muslim and even some Buddhist ones.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We do, plus Jewish, Muslim and even some Buddhist ones.

Probably some Roman Catholic clergy too

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *a-ra-ra-boom-de-ayCouple over a year ago

Wish it was the Algarve! Aberdeenshire

I'm a nun during the day!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ucky1Man over a year ago

a straightjacket

What about Jedi knights?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What about Jedi knights?

What about us?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What about Jedi knights?

Don't forget us from the dark side.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I love the dark side

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How come jedi never come round your house handing out leaflets or have slightly mad believers preaching aggressively in city centers?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i would hate to go to meet a couple to find their heads so screwed up that they had an imaginary friend who looked after them.would run for the door

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i would hate to go to meet a couple to find their heads so screwed up that they had an imaginary friend who looked after them.would run for the door"

Love it x pure logic x

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i would hate to go to meet a couple to find their heads so screwed up that they had an imaginary friend who looked after them.would run for the door"

Oh dear.Shame people feel the need to ridicule others belief's. If you do your research you'll find being Christian and religious aren't the same anyway. Try looking up respect whilst you're at it.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"i would hate to go to meet a couple to find their heads so screwed up that they had an imaginary friend who looked after them.would run for the door"

Peoples gods are very real to them and if they believe that they come from within aren't imaginary at all. Sometimes lack of imagination can be a big problem too.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Believers of religions are always able to twist the tenets of their religions to suit themselves and their lifestyles - it's not as though there's a rule-book. I am a strict Catholic - I don't believe in a god, I've never had mass or even been to a catholic church, but if you disrespect my religion, I'll kill you.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do we have any Christian swingers

Was brought up catlick...

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i would hate to go to meet a couple to find their heads so screwed up that they had an imaginary friend who looked after them.would run for the door

Oh dear.Shame people feel the need to ridicule others belief's. If you do your research you'll find being Christian and religious aren't the same anyway. Try looking up respect whilst you're at it."

believe in the ridiculous ,prepare to be ridiculed.

personally i like to see evidence and study it before coming to a conclusion.

my daughter has a book about a small round blue man,wrapped up in bandages.all he does is bump into things.doesnt mean its true,just because i read about him

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i would hate to go to meet a couple to find their heads so screwed up that they had an imaginary friend who looked after them.would run for the door

Peoples gods are very real to them and if they believe that they come from within aren't imaginary at all. Sometimes lack of imagination can be a big problem too."

or too much imagination is a worry,especially in grown adults

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *dam_TinaCouple over a year ago

Hampshire

personally i like to see evidence and study it before coming to a conclusion.

Except you already seem to have come to a conclusion

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i would hate to go to meet a couple to find their heads so screwed up that they had an imaginary friend who looked after them.would run for the door

Peoples gods are very real to them and if they believe that they come from within aren't imaginary at all. Sometimes lack of imagination can be a big problem too.

or too much imagination is a worry,especially in grown adults"

You see I'd find a lack of imagination more of an issue. I prefer a mind open to the possibility of not always being right.

I'm a Catholic and sometimes a Jedi, depending on my mood.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

because no matter where or for how long i search i or any scientist has yet to find one single piece of evidence to suggest there is a higher power.

pretty conclusive

if you know different,you could be on for the person who changed the direction of mankind.im thinking maybe you have no evidence either

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have friends and relatives of practically every religion. I love them but I detest it when they try to save my soul. I have personal spiritual beliefs and I think everyone should. I don’t think I would be swayed from a meet solely on a persons belief system but would be surely put off if they tried to change mine.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i would hate to go to meet a couple to find their heads so screwed up that they had an imaginary friend who looked after them.would run for the door

Oh dear.Shame people feel the need to ridicule others belief's. If you do your research you'll find being Christian and religious aren't the same anyway. Try looking up respect whilst you're at it.

believe in the ridiculous ,prepare to be ridiculed.

personally i like to see evidence and study it before coming to a conclusion.

my daughter has a book about a small round blue man,wrapped up in bandages.all he does is bump into things.doesnt mean its true,just because i read about him

You miss the point. I'm not debating the issue about the existence or non existence of God. I just find it rather distasteful that people would be so derogatory because they believe otherwise.

Your opening gambit starts off by insulting people. I may be wrong but I haven't seen a Christian thread started insulting you because you're not one. Can you simply not manage your difference in opinion and belief? I disagree with lots of things people believe in or appreciate but it's not my business to tell them.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *dam_TinaCouple over a year ago

Hampshire

pretty conclusive

lols

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *inge 1985Man over a year ago

London

Everyone needs something to believe in, that maybe god, religion, love, currency, civalry, manners ect...

Beliefe is where people gain their strength from, even beliefe in self or persons, if you can not see and feel it surely it takes more strength and faith to believe and follow?

Oh and i am agnostic

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"because no matter where or for how long i search i or any scientist has yet to find one single piece of evidence to suggest there is a higher power.

pretty conclusive

if you know different,you could be on for the person who changed the direction of mankind.im thinking maybe you have no evidence either"

You might want to check that. There are plenty of scientists that retain a belief or openness to a god/god type thing. You could start with Brian Cox.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"because no matter where or for how long i search i or any scientist has yet to find one single piece of evidence to suggest there is a higher power.

pretty conclusive

if you know different,you could be on for the person who changed the direction of mankind.im thinking maybe you have no evidence either"

Lack of evidence is often cited as evidence that God doesn't exist....I struggle to understand how lack of something is proof of something but we all interpret things differently.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hooverville and forgotten town where my favourite Christians songs.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

im not insulting anyone,surely if your belief is so strong,the views of a nobody are irrelavent.

my point is if you want to believe a crazy theory like gods etc,you must expect people to question it.

if there was any proof religion was the way forward,id follow.as it is i cant see anything to benefit my life by thinking a god is watching down on me.

just remember everyone is born an atheist

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By * Busty HotwifeCouple over a year ago

Bradford

The vast majority of you are Christian in your beliefs because your country, your ethics and your laws were, for the many, founded on Christian tenets.

You may or may not believe(although a lot of you will silently pray when your life is upside down or terminal illness threatens your family-but you'll never admit it) but the whole fabric of your upbringing was founded on Christianity and the Bible.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 14/07/14 10:49:22]

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"because no matter where or for how long i search i or any scientist has yet to find one single piece of evidence to suggest there is a higher power.

Sayas the man who has named himself after a Judeo-Christian spiritual entity!!!

Irony perhaps??

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"because no matter where or for how long i search i or any scientist has yet to find one single piece of evidence to suggest there is a higher power.

pretty conclusive

if you know different,you could be on for the person who changed the direction of mankind.im thinking maybe you have no evidence either

Lack of evidence is often cited as evidence that God doesn't exist....I struggle to understand how lack of something is proof of something but we all interpret things differently. "

Look up Bertrands teapot analogy.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i would hate to go to meet a couple to find their heads so screwed up that they had an imaginary friend who looked after them.would run for the door

Oh dear.Shame people feel the need to ridicule others belief's. If you do your research you'll find being Christian and religious aren't the same anyway. Try looking up respect whilst you're at it."

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"because no matter where or for how long i search i or any scientist has yet to find one single piece of evidence to suggest there is a higher power.

pretty conclusive

if you know different,you could be on for the person who changed the direction of mankind.im thinking maybe you have no evidence either

You might want to check that. There are plenty of scientists that retain a belief or openness to a god/god type thing. You could start with Brian Cox."

thats the nature of scientists.what they are saying is if there is proof of a god they will believe,as it is.there is none.so credable scientists dont believe it

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"im not insulting anyone,surely if your belief is so strong,the views of a nobody are irrelavent.

my point is if you want to believe a crazy theory like gods etc,you must expect people to question it.

if there was any proof religion was the way forward,id follow.as it is i cant see anything to benefit my life by thinking a god is watching down on me.

just remember everyone is born an atheist"

Everyone is born an atheist, but they're indoctrinated at a very early age. It's difficult to not to believe in something that your parents or guardians have brought you up to believe is true. I've yet to meet, or even hear about someone who has "discovered god" in later life who hasn't been threatened, coerced or otherwise been forced to believe. Children are very impressionable.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"im not insulting anyone,surely if your belief is so strong,the views of a nobody are irrelavent.

my point is if you want to believe a crazy theory like gods etc,you must expect people to question it.

if there was any proof religion was the way forward,id follow.as it is i cant see anything to benefit my life by thinking a god is watching down on me.

just remember everyone is born an atheist"

Well its difficult for me to juxtapose with no knowledge of you and your beliefs and interests, but making such a comment irrespective of its validity is not exactly needed. Just accept others feel different ?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm curious how you could believe in the bibles teachings though still be on fab? Not being disrespectful but just want to know how people can fit both into their lives?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *inge 1985Man over a year ago

London

Why use the term "Crazy theory"?

"im not insulting anyone,surely if your belief is so strong,the views of a nobody are irrelavent.

my point is if you want to believe a crazy theory like gods etc,you must expect people to question it.

if there was any proof religion was the way forward,id follow.as it is i cant see anything to benefit my life by thinking a god is watching down on me.

just remember everyone is born an atheist"

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The vast majority of you are Christian in your beliefs because your country, your ethics and your laws were, for the many, founded on Christian tenets.

christians often try and hijack this one.

morals and living together has nothing to do with been a christian,it is do with humans been most successful when living in a group and that group getting on as best as possible.thats was going on when we lived in caves.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *emmefataleWoman over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"The vast majority of you are Christian in your beliefs because your country, your ethics and your laws were, for the many, founded on Christian tenets.

christians often try and hijack this one.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *dam_TinaCouple over a year ago

Hampshire

" I've yet to meet, or even hear about someone who has "discovered god" in later life who hasn't been threatened, coerced or otherwise been forced to believe. "

Really ? Don't you get out much ?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"because no matter where or for how long i search i or any scientist has yet to find one single piece of evidence to suggest there is a higher power.

pretty conclusive

if you know different,you could be on for the person who changed the direction of mankind.im thinking maybe you have no evidence either

You might want to check that. There are plenty of scientists that retain a belief or openness to a god/god type thing. You could start with Brian Cox.

thats the nature of scientists.what they are saying is if there is proof of a god they will believe,as it is.there is none.so credable scientists dont believe it"

Credible by what qualification - your opinion?!

Nobody, scientist or otherwise has any known proof of god/s. Anybody that believes they have the answer therefore is pretty stupid.

If you were arguing only about religion there's a very strong argument that that it is entirely a man made construct.

But to assume you can explain the unexplainable... who's the idiot?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i would hate to go to meet a couple to find their heads so screwed up that they had an imaginary friend who looked after them.would run for the door

Oh dear.Shame people feel the need to ridicule others belief's. If you do your research you'll find being Christian and religious aren't the same anyway. Try looking up respect whilst you're at it.

believe in the ridiculous ,prepare to be ridiculed.

personally i like to see evidence and study it before coming to a conclusion.

my daughter has a book about a small round blue man,wrapped up in bandages.all he does is bump into things.doesnt mean its true,just because i read about him

Does said book bring her enyoyment /happiness ?

The principle is the same..ppl wil do / believe whatever works for them.

No one says u have to agree or like it..

But u show ur character by the way you behave towards their choices.

Personally id rather spend time with someone who is happy and open to ridicule in the name of something they believe in.than with ssomeone who feels the need to ridicule others for choices made just because they do not agree with them.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mon the lions!!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm curious how you could believe in the bibles teachings though still be on fab? Not being disrespectful but just want to know how people can fit both into their lives?"

because religious people twist their beliefs to suit them when its best for them.as long as they are alright type attitude

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm curious how you could believe in the bibles teachings though still be on fab? Not being disrespectful but just want to know how people can fit both into their lives?

because religious people twist their beliefs to suit them when its best for them.as long as they are alright type attitude"

Or maybe people have the right to choose how they wish to practise their beliefs?

Speaking of attitude..

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm curious how you could believe in the bibles teachings though still be on fab? Not being disrespectful but just want to know how people can fit both into their lives?

because religious people twist their beliefs to suit them when its best for them.as long as they are alright type attitude"

Yes, surely if you believe in a god you also believe the he can see you swinging. And all your deceased relatives?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"The vast majority of you are Christian in your beliefs because your country, your ethics and your laws were, for the many, founded on Christian tenets.

christians often try and hijack this one.

I do agree with an awful lot of what you're saying. I think discussion around God, gods, religion etc is very useful and we should all challenge our beliefs. The problem is that it is damn nigh impossible to discuss it without falling out.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Is this the correct thread for me to affirm my belief in the tit fairy?

She organises the delivery of boobs from ebay, via the GPO.

She did originally leave them under the pillow at night, as everyone needs a bosom for a pillow, but gave up with mine, as my face was touching the ceiling.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm curious how you could believe in the bibles teachings though still be on fab? Not being disrespectful but just want to know how people can fit both into their lives?

because religious people twist their beliefs to suit them when its best for them.as long as they are alright type attitude

Yes, surely if you believe in a god you also believe the he can see you swinging. And all your deceased relatives?"

Why would you assume to know what others believe?

I've heard many a swinger call out to God at an interesting moment

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Considering your username I am now giggling.........

how many usernames on here go along the lines of sexy...... etc.to click on the profile and sexy is not the first thing i think of

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm curious how you could believe in the bibles teachings though still be on fab? Not being disrespectful but just want to know how people can fit both into their lives?

because religious people twist their beliefs to suit them when its best for them.as long as they are alright type attitude

Yes, surely if you believe in a god you also believe the he can see you swinging. And all your deceased relatives?

Why would you assume to know what others believe?

I've heard many a swinger call out to God at an interesting moment

Well i assume that Christianity is based on the teachings of the bible? I doubt in wrong about that.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm curious how you could believe in the bibles teachings though still be on fab? Not being disrespectful but just want to know how people can fit both into their lives?

because religious people twist their beliefs to suit them when its best for them.as long as they are alright type attitude"

do only religious ppl do this ????

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm curious how you could believe in the bibles teachings though still be on fab? Not being disrespectful but just want to know how people can fit both into their lives?

because religious people twist their beliefs to suit them when its best for them.as long as they are alright type attitude

Yes, surely if you believe in a god you also believe the he can see you swinging. And all your deceased relatives?

Why would you assume to know what others believe?

I've heard many a swinger call out to God at an interesting moment

Well i assume that Christianity is based on the teachings of the bible? I doubt in wrong about that."

What one book, one religion?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is this the correct thread for me to affirm my belief in the tit fairy?

She organises the delivery of boobs from ebay, via the GPO.

She did originally leave them under the pillow at night, as everyone needs a bosom for a pillow, but gave up with mine, as my face was touching the ceiling.

God bless the tit fairy... I mean wait... erm.. tit fairy bless the tit fairy

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm curious how you could believe in the bibles teachings though still be on fab? Not being disrespectful but just want to know how people can fit both into their lives?

because religious people twist their beliefs to suit them when its best for them.as long as they are alright type attitude

Yes, surely if you believe in a god you also believe the he can see you swinging. And all your deceased relatives?

Why would you assume to know what others believe?

I've heard many a swinger call out to God at an interesting moment

Well i assume that Christianity is based on the teachings of the bible? I doubt in wrong about that.

What one book, one religion?

For that particular religion yes

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"I'm curious how you could believe in the bibles teachings though still be on fab? Not being disrespectful but just want to know how people can fit both into their lives?

because religious people twist their beliefs to suit them when its best for them.as long as they are alright type attitude

Yes, surely if you believe in a god you also believe the he can see you swinging. And all your deceased relatives?

Why would you assume to know what others believe?

I've heard many a swinger call out to God at an interesting moment

Well i assume that Christianity is based on the teachings of the bible? I doubt in wrong about that."

it's based on the old and new testaments.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm curious how you could believe in the bibles teachings though still be on fab? Not being disrespectful but just want to know how people can fit both into their lives?

because religious people twist their beliefs to suit them when its best for them.as long as they are alright type attitude"

Everybody twists their beliefs and alters their moral compass when it suits them. As stated earlier I'm not debating the virtues of religion or even if there is a God, I'm just amazed that people have to rely on being offensive in order to debate their position on the subject.

Are there Christian people and other religious followers in here ? Of course....along with the adulterers, criminals, secretly gay,important people hiding identity and a whole myriad of other's. .....so what ? That's their business unless they affect you.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

" Considering your username I am now giggling.........

how many usernames on here go along the lines of sexy...... etc.to click on the profile and sexy is not the first thing i think of"

That's irrelevant - you may or may not be devilish, but you still picked a username from a religion you profess to abhor! Methinks the lady doth protest too much. haha!! Playing devils advocate for sport are we?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't believe in God or religion I think once your dead your dead, but I should imagine having a faith that says your loved ones are somewhere nice and looked after must offer a lot of people some peace over there passing

I would say a lot of Christians don't believe in one all mighty being guiding us through our lives, but more in what been a christian stands for

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm curious how you could believe in the bibles teachings though still be on fab? Not being disrespectful but just want to know how people can fit both into their lives?

because religious people twist their beliefs to suit them when its best for them.as long as they are alright type attitude

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm curious how you could believe in the bibles teachings though still be on fab? Not being disrespectful but just want to know how people can fit both into their lives?

because religious people twist their beliefs to suit them when its best for them.as long as they are alright type attitude

Yes, surely if you believe in a god you also believe the he can see you swinging. And all your deceased relatives?

Why would you assume to know what others believe?

I've heard many a swinger call out to God at an interesting moment

Well i assume that Christianity is based on the teachings of the bible? I doubt in wrong about that.

What one book, one religion?

For that particular religion yes"

That particular religion being an all sweeping Christianity that all Christians are signed up to?!

No I was brought up as a Catholic (which is a very old strand of Christianity) (there are others!).

I don't agree with a great deal of it. I don't believe in a great deal of it. I do see value in shared values with others. I like the idea that I don't have all the answers, and I like the idea there is more to life (and possibly death) than I know about.

Lots of people don't agree with me, but we're all entitled to our views/hopes/beliefs.

The only people I distrust are those that think they have all the answers. I also don't have a huge amount of time for people that assume they can make judgements based on absolute ignorance.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm curious how you could believe in the bibles teachings though still be on fab? Not being disrespectful but just want to know how people can fit both into their lives?

because religious people twist their beliefs to suit them when its best for them.as long as they are alright type attitude

Yes, surely if you believe in a god you also believe the he can see you swinging. And all your deceased relatives?

Why would you assume to know what others believe?

I've heard many a swinger call out to God at an interesting moment

Well i assume that Christianity is based on the teachings of the bible? I doubt in wrong about that.

What one book, one religion?

For that particular religion yes

That particular religion being an all sweeping Christianity that all Christians are signed up to?!

No I was brought up as a Catholic (which is a very old strand of Christianity) (there are others!).

Lots of people don't agree with me, but we're all entitled to our views/hopes/beliefs.

The only people I distrust are those that think they have all the answers. I also don't have a huge amount of time for people that assume they can make judgements based on absolute ignorance.

I don't think anyone has any answers that's why i don't believe in religion, it doesn't bother me what people believe in either i just find it an interesting subject and am curious how people form their life philosophy.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *vsnikkiTV/TS over a year ago

Limavady

Lots of seeking proof. My limited knowledge tells me that its lack is one of the points. Faith is needed.

As to proof, there is no proof of evolution, the theory of relativity or man-made global warming. People are ridiculed for NOT believing in them.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *obbyboomMan over a year ago

Burnley

If you believe in a religious higher powerabd Iit gives you a purpose I an happy for you.

I h ave travelled all over the planet and I have been in some very nasty situations. The man next to me has been the ine who was there to help. He was firing in the same direction as me. The guys who were pointing their guns at us weee prayng to god for help. He didn't help them. I am still here.

Each religion has a book of do's and don'ts which was written by a man. In the book it says that we should love andrrespect one another. Whilst smitting the enemies of which ever god it is. If he is so powerful he doesn't need us to do anything to fight his enemies. Most of the religions are at war or have been in conflict with each other since the religions were set up. How can religions claim to be peaceful when they create so much suffering.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't think anyone has any answers that's why i don't believe in religion, it doesn't bother me what people believe in either i just find it an interesting subject and am curious how people form their life philosophy. "

You are then curiously disinterested.

I wasn't suggesting you have all the answers - that much was clear

The bible has many translations. The Church of England was made up by a fat king to allow him to fuck several women.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lots of seeking proof. My limited knowledge tells me that its lack is one of the points. Faith is needed.

As to proof, there is no proof of evolution, the theory of relativity or man-made global warming. People are ridiculed for NOT believing in them."

Not strictly true, there is visible evidence of micro evolution through bacteria and macro evolution through the fossil record

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How come jedi never come round your house handing out leaflets or have slightly mad believers preaching aggressively in city centers?"

Because they're busy at war with the Imperial Fleet led by a mad fanatical dictator.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You are then curiously disinterested.

I wasn't suggesting you have all the answers - that much was clear

The bible has many translations. The Church of England was made up by a fat king to allow him to fuck several women."

No need for spite, i was being polite

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lots of seeking proof. My limited knowledge tells me that its lack is one of the points. Faith is needed.

As to proof, there is no proof of evolution, the theory of relativity or man-made global warming. People are ridiculed for NOT believing in them."

I don't know who said it but I like the quote - there's no proof of hope, but I still believe in it

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You are then curiously disinterested.

I wasn't suggesting you have all the answers - that much was clear

The bible has many translations. The Church of England was made up by a fat king to allow him to fuck several women.

No need for spite, i was being polite

So was I

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you believe in a religious higher powerabd Iit gives you a purpose I an happy for you.

Thought it was you and you're mate firing the gun's not religion?

I've been shot at plenty of times too but if you think about it, it's mankind's behaviour and intolerance of others belief's that cause the conflict not religion.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You are then curiously disinterested.

I wasn't suggesting you have all the answers - that much was clear

The bible has many translations. The Church of England was made up by a fat king to allow him to fuck several women.

No need for spite, i was being polite

So was I "

That's fine then. Its one of my favorite topics and good that people can discuss it in a respectful and articulate way

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you believe in a religious higher powerabd Iit gives you a purpose I an happy for you.

Thought it was you and you're mate firing the gun's not religion?

I've been shot at plenty of times too but if you think about it, it's mankind's behaviour and intolerance of others belief's that cause the conflict not religion. "

Except if you believe it was man that created religion. And whether it not people blindly follow the beliefs and expectations of others.

It's only very recently that the majority of the population has been literate. For years only religious people could 'preach from the book'.

Now people are more informed, more curious etc. but this is a very recent thing.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you believe in a religious higher powerabd Iit gives you a purpose I an happy for you.

Thought it was you and you're mate firing the gun's not religion?

I've been shot at plenty of times too but if you think about it, it's mankind's behaviour and intolerance of others belief's that cause the conflict not religion.

Except if you believe it was man that created religion. And whether it not people blindly follow the beliefs and expectations of others.

It's only very recently that the majority of the population has been literate. For years only religious people could 'preach from the book'.

Now people are more informed, more curious etc. but this is a very recent thing."

Interesting concept and I agree. I guess I believe it's mankind's interpretations of religion that have always been the problem not the concept itself ?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 14/07/14 11:36:27]

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Agree absolutely

and the more people feel comfortable to debate their beliefs the better.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 14/07/14 11:36:50]

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People who say they are religious & then swing are just sinners then, & can't take their religion seriously.

"Infidelity" is a sin, "Lust" is a sin, "Adultery" is a sin (even if your spouse knows), "Coverting" is a sin, etc, etc. How can people say they are religious, they believe in god, & then freely go against what their god & their religion say is wrong. It hypocrisy.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People who say they are religious & then swing are just sinners then, & can't take their religion seriously.

Why does this bother you?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *bbandflowCouple over a year ago

South Devon

"Lots of seeking proof. My limited knowledge tells me that its lack is one of the points. Faith is needed.

As to proof, there is no proof of evolution, the theory of relativity or man-made global warming. People are ridiculed for NOT believing in them.

Not strictly true, there is visible evidence of micro evolution through bacteria and macro evolution through the fossil record "

And relativity

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *bbandflowCouple over a year ago

South Devon

"If you believe in a religious higher powerabd Iit gives you a purpose I an happy for you.

Thought it was you and you're mate firing the gun's not religion?

I've been shot at plenty of times too but if you think about it, it's mankind's behaviour and intolerance of others belief's that cause the conflict not religion.

Except if you believe it was man that created religion. And whether it not people blindly follow the beliefs and expectations of others.

It's only very recently that the majority of the population has been literate. For years only religious people could 'preach from the book'.

Now people are more informed, more curious etc. but this is a very recent thing.

Interesting concept and I agree. I guess I believe it's mankind's interpretations of religion that have always been the problem not the concept itself ?"

Religions are human constructs, Christianity one of many.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People who say they are religious & then swing are just sinners then, & can't take their religion seriously.

Why does this bother you?"

Who said it bothered me? Did I say that? No. If anything, it makes me laugh to be on a swingers site where people are looking for casual sex saying they believe in god & are religious, then turn to sin as easily as a duck to water. If you look in the dictionary, you will find the word hypocrite/hypocrisy fits this perfectly. I didn't invent the English language, I just speak it.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think

Love thy neighbour

Fits rather well, don't you.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *a-ra-ra-boom-de-ayCouple over a year ago

Wish it was the Algarve! Aberdeenshire

"I think

Love thy neighbour

Fits rather well, don't you. "

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

There is no major religion that would condone swinging, so it's simply incompatible really. As someone I know used to say 'Some religions say you can have one wife, and some say you can have several, but not one says you can have any woman you want!"

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People who say they are religious & then swing are just sinners then, & can't take their religion seriously.

Why does this bother you?

I think it reasonable to assume that it bothered you, given that you have gone to the effort of stating your viewpoint in public.

You sound more medieval in your beliefs than many Christians I know.

Nobody invented the English language. Arguably people did invent religion. It's reasonable to me therefore that people can choose to adapt it according to their own beliefs and practices.

If that bothers you, that's a matter for you to resolve.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh jeez.

Better take cover.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And swinging allows you to have any woman you want? Wishful thinking more like.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

And swinging allows you to have any woman you want? Wishful thinking more like."

Same difference in Christianity.

But no, he obviously meant 'numerous women without commitment' in that context. None of the major world religions condone it.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *bbandflowCouple over a year ago

South Devon

"People who say they are religious & then swing are just sinners then, & can't take their religion seriously.

Why does this bother you?

I think it reasonable to assume that it bothered you, given that you have gone to the effort of stating your viewpoint in public.

You sound more medieval in your beliefs than many Christians I know.

Nobody invented the English language. Arguably people did invent religion. It's reasonable to me therefore that people can choose to adapt it according to their own beliefs and practices.

If that bothers you, that's a matter for you to resolve."

Arguably people invented religion!....What other possible mechanism can be responsible for the myriad of contemporary and historical religions throughout the planet.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People who say they are religious & then swing are just sinners then, & can't take their religion seriously.

Why does this bother you?

I think it reasonable to assume that it bothered you, given that you have gone to the effort of stating your viewpoint in public.

You sound more medieval in your beliefs than many Christians I know.

Nobody invented the English language. Arguably people did invent religion. It's reasonable to me therefore that people can choose to adapt it according to their own beliefs and practices.

If that bothers you, that's a matter for you to resolve."

Someone giving their viewpoint & talking in a forum is doing nothing wrong. That's what forums were invented for. I have nothing to resolve. You are the one "telling me" it bothers me. Do you know me? Who are you to "tell me" what bothers me. I was just joining the thread/debate. People like you "bother" me.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *bbandflowCouple over a year ago

South Devon

"If you believe in a religious higher powerabd Iit gives you a purpose I an happy for you.

Thought it was you and you're mate firing the gun's not religion?

I've been shot at plenty of times too but if you think about it, it's mankind's behaviour and intolerance of others belief's that cause the conflict not religion. "

Think you need to revisit the Old Testament...

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Arguably people invented religion!....What other possible mechanism can be responsible for the myriad of contemporary and historical religions throughout the planet. "

I wouldn't argue the point. I've already made the very same point, several times!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Someone giving their viewpoint & talking in a forum is doing nothing wrong. That's what forums were invented for. I have nothing to resolve. You are the one "telling me" it bothers me. Do you know me? Who are you to "tell me" what bothers me. I was just joining the thread/debate. People like you "bother" me."

Interesting because you don't bother me in the slightest.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *bi HaiveMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Cheeseville, Somerset

"How come jedi never come round your house handing out leaflets or have slightly mad believers preaching aggressively in city centers?

Because they're busy at war with the Imperial Fleet led by a mad fanatical dictator."

No - it's because we use Jedi mind control. Cuts down on resourcing, travel and time commitments.

You just think it was your idea to eat that cake!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *bbandflowCouple over a year ago

South Devon

"Arguably people invented religion!....What other possible mechanism can be responsible for the myriad of contemporary and historical religions throughout the planet.

I wouldn't argue the point. I've already made the very same point, several times!"

No problem, threw me when you stated that it was arguable that people had invented religion.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Arguably people invented religion!....What other possible mechanism can be responsible for the myriad of contemporary and historical religions throughout the planet.

I wouldn't argue the point. I've already made the very same point, several times!

No problem, threw me when you stated that it was arguable that people had invented religion."

Just covering all angles

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I know there are pagan swingers cos I've had sex with them

I like the Jedi idea too. So another for my bucket-fucket list

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By * Busty HotwifeCouple over a year ago

Bradford

And swinging allows you to have any woman you want? Wishful thinking more like.

Same difference in Christianity.

But no, he obviously meant 'numerous women without commitment' in that context. None of the major world religions condone it."

Satanism? And how do you know it's not a major religion? Or perhaps it is, but just masquerading itself as a different one....

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By * Busty HotwifeCouple over a year ago

Bradford

"Do we have any Christian swingers

And do we have any Muslim swingers on here?

I think we do.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Satanism? And how do you know it's not a major religion? "

Statistics.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Just one point to add on the comments made: no one is born atheist, they are born agnostic in just about all things. Atheism comes once you have the faculty to decide you believe there is no God/gods.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i would hate to go to meet a couple to find their heads so screwed up that they had an imaginary friend who looked after them.would run for the door

Oh dear.Shame people feel the need to ridicule others belief's. If you do your research you'll find being Christian and religious aren't the same anyway. Try looking up respect whilst you're at it.

believe in the ridiculous ,prepare to be ridiculed.

personally i like to see evidence and study it before coming to a conclusion.

my daughter has a book about a small round blue man,wrapped up in bandages.all he does is bump into things.doesnt mean its true,just because i read about him

You miss the point. I'm not debating the issue about the existence or non existence of God. I just find it rather distasteful that people would be so derogatory because they believe otherwise.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just one point to add on the comments made: no one is born atheist, they are born agnostic in just about all things. Atheism comes once you have the faculty to decide you believe there is no God/gods.

And arguably is a religion in itself to some.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am an angel

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do any of us have the intelligence or mental capacity to determine what God is ?

We base our judgements and thoughts on what we know and are taught. Because something is beyond our limited comprehension it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Several hundred years ago experts told us the earth was flat....maybe in another few hundred they will laugh at our ignorance on various matters too.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am an angel

Ok I'll give you that one.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"maybe in another few hundred they will laugh at our ignorance on various matters too."

It won't take that long. Have another read through

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

And arguably is a religion in itself to some."

Many appear to treat it as such the sermonizing, the gospels and the commandments seem to be well practiced if not yet codified.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Everybody has to believe in something because sooner or later there's shit we don't know about and we need to make a leap of faith to bridge the gap.

I'm religious but I don't belong to any faith. I believe Christianity is a negative faith.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Do any of us have the intelligence or mental capacity to determine what God is ?

We base our judgements and thoughts on what we know and are taught. Because something is beyond our limited comprehension it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Several hundred years ago experts told us the earth was flat....maybe in another few hundred they will laugh at our ignorance on various matters too."

That might argue that you could be born with faith or that those who have faith lack intelligence. I don't believe either is true.

I'm not arguing for the intelligence to know what God is but to have the capacity to make a decision that you believe or not.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Everybody has to believe in something because sooner or later there's shit we don't know about and we need to make a leap of faith to bridge the gap.

I'm religious but I don't belong to any faith. I believe Christianity is a negative faith."

Explain negative faith please.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *himanMan over a year ago

chichester

"I'm a nun during the day!

"
hmmm

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everybody has to believe in something because sooner or later there's shit we don't know about and we need to make a leap of faith to bridge the gap.

I'm religious but I don't belong to any faith. I believe Christianity is a negative faith.

Explain negative faith please.

It's just my opinion...but I believe Christianity is essentially an extension on old rituals of blood sacrifice to appease wrathful gods. As such I consider it to be a negative faith. I don't expect anyone to agree with me so I'm certainly not trying to proselytize my views...just answering your question

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That is well said!!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We have very good friends that are practicing christians their faith is very strong, they are swingers but have never felt the need to justify their faith or hobbie and why should anyone have to.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That might argue that you could be born with faith or that those who have faith lack intelligence. I don't believe either is true.

I'm not arguing for the intelligence to know what God is but to have the capacity to make a decision that you believe or not.

I agree with your first paragraph. Faith can be defined as a belief that is not based upon proof.

We make decisions based on influences, experiences and hope.

When you leave an aircraft with a parachute you have faith. It's not guaranteed your canopy will deploy. ..so you take a leap of faith based on what others tell you will happen.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That might argue that you could be born with faith or that those who have faith lack intelligence. I don't believe either is true.

I'm not arguing for the intelligence to know what God is but to have the capacity to make a decision that you believe or not.

I agree with your first paragraph. Faith can be defined as a belief that is not based upon proof.

We make decisions based on influences, experiences and hope.

When you leave an aircraft with a parachute you have faith. It's not guaranteed your canopy will deploy. ..so you take a leap of faith based on what others tell you will happen."

Because it's been tested and retested, providing evidence.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"That might argue that you could be born with faith or that those who have faith lack intelligence. I don't believe either is true.

I'm not arguing for the intelligence to know what God is but to have the capacity to make a decision that you believe or not.

I agree with your first paragraph. Faith can be defined as a belief that is not based upon proof.

We make decisions based on influences, experiences and hope.

When you leave an aircraft with a parachute you have faith. It's not guaranteed your canopy will deploy. ..so you take a leap of faith based on what others tell you will happen.

Because it's been tested and retested, providing evidence.

The World Index of Happiness consistently reports happiness in those with faith. Tried and tested?

The happiest countries have more equal societies but that's a different subject.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No. I am a atheist shagger lol

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wonder if this were anti muslim post if it would be shut down? ?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I wonder if this were anti muslim post if it would be shut down? ?"

This hasn't gone anywhere near as bad as the anti-Muslim threads usually get. It's not the subject per se that gets them shut down (unless it's a subject not allowed) but the way that people post.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wonder if this were anti muslim post if it would be shut down? ?"

Probably not.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"I wonder if this were anti muslim post if it would be shut down? ?"

The poster disapproving of religion stated that it was ALL religion they were against. And as said elsewhere, the people on Fab are much more insulting about Muslims than they are about Christians.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

im still not persuaded x

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"im still not persuaded x "

That there are Christians on Fab?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"I wonder if this were anti muslim post if it would be shut down? ?

The poster disapproving of religion stated that it was ALL religion they were against. And as said elsewhere, the people on Fab are much more insulting about Muslims than they are about Christians."

I agree, the Islamophobia is ruddy bizarre to say the least.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *layfull pairingCouple over a year ago

Bristol

Religious swingers... Really??? Im gunna start going to church

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Religious swingers... Really??? Im gunna start going to church

It's all the kneeling.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Spiritual swingers, and I most definitely include myself in that group, are definitely in the minority. It would seem that sexual hedonism suits the "we're all lumps of meat then we die" brigade. What's more many spiritual paths have a conflicting attitude to the physicality of the universe, often connoting our material existence with corruption and sin.

Those of us who are happy to cross our own bridges and accept both the divinity of the flesh as well as the existence of 'more' beyond the flesh are few. But it feels right and I, for one, am happy to be treading that path

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm a sun worshipper.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"I'm a sun worshipper. "

Other newspapers are available.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"If you do your research you'll find being Christian and religious aren't the same anyway."

Er, what?

Ok, there are other religions so being religious does not necessarily mean being Christian.

However, if you consider yourself Christian then you are, by definition, religious.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm a sun worshipper.

Other newspapers are available.

Indeed, which do you recommend which can further bolster my faith in ultraviolet rays?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Religion, faith, belief is not an intellectual exercise. Quality of argument is neither here no there. Spirituality is an energy you feel. Remember Bruce Lee...? "Don't think, feel." (Enter the Dragon)

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is like a finger, pointing away to da moon...Don't concentrate on da finger...or you will miss all the heavenly glory"

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Religion, faith, belief is not an intellectual exercise. Quality of argument is neither here no there. Spirituality is an energy you feel. Remember Bruce Lee...? "Don't think, feel." (Enter the Dragon)"

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

The same applies to sex and horse training too, haha!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wonder if this were anti muslim post if it would be shut down? ?"

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

Well said!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think this is the kind of statement that makes it impossible to have a reasonable debate about spirituality and beliefs.

Quality of argument IS here and there to me - I'm curious about possibilities and enjoy hearing other theories. I wish it was something more people could feel comfortable to debate.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sorry but I cannot let this one go. My ethics are not Christian - I do not believe in some higher power to sort things out, or that I was born in sin,only to be forgiven. My mistakes are up to me to sort out, and I treat my fellow human and other animals with respect - but not because I am afraid of some god or devil which will praise or punish me. I believe in fundamental rights such as freedom and equality - show me where those originate in the 'good' book of any religion except maybe Buddhism (the only religion with no gods

)

Our laws? Which ones? The ones banning adultery and homosexuality? The ones allowing men to beat their wives and slaves? The ones saying I shouldn't covet (ie desire) something else? Or the ones saying I should burn witches and give my daughters away to be violated? Or maybe the ones saying it is illegal to be anything other than a christian? Which of our laws really come from the bible exclusively? Murder (ie killing within your own tribe - the bible condones lots of other killing) and theft are universal laws, not christian ones. That's it for the ten commandments and pretty much the rest of the bible.

So I reject utterly the idea that my ethics and laws are christian - the bible and all the bishops can't even use their hotline to god to sort out if women bishops are allowed! How much use are they going to be advising me on ethics?

As for the suggestion that we'll all secretly pray (the old "no atheist in a foxhole") argument, please do not presume to know what is in my mind and I shall try to do the same for you. I think you'll be very surprised to find just how utterly many of us reject christianity in our own lives - even though we may very well respect the rights of others to hold their own beliefs.

Ken

ps Brian Cox a believer? You have to be kidding me!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is that a contribution to the discussion or just an excuse for a rant?

Nobody said Brian Cox was a believer. He made his views on religion clear. He also said he had to stay open to the possibility of something beyond current understanding.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What you choose to believe for yourself and about yourself is entirely up to you - no person should have the right to impose their views on it or stop you.

They may well wish to enter into debate with you about it - if only to find out more about what makes you 'tick'. How did you come to these beliefs? How do they shape your life, your actions and so on? These are fair things to want to know about a friend, and one should be able to discuss them freely and without any sort of accusatory feeling.

However, there does have to be debate about the role of religion and faith in public life. Once one's beliefs begin to affect others, someone has to make a decision. This is a separate matter - secularism - and it does not go hand in hand with atheism. Indeed, the CofE is already saying we should do away with christian worship in schools (a secular position) because it realises the absurdity of it.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is that a contribution to the discussion or just an excuse for a rant?

Nobody said Brian Cox was a believer. He made his views on religion clear. He also said he had to stay open to the possibility of something beyond current understanding."
You

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No school should have a religious bias, I can agree with that.

But lecturing and sermonising kind of spoils any debate, it assumes you're in a position to dictate.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is a contribution to the discussion - why do you accuse me of ranting? Because it is opposed to your view? I simply take the points made and raise objections to each of them, drawing from standard source material for my evidence.

Ranting is where one argues loudly and incoherently with no basis or evidence, simply in an attempt to drown out others' arguments. It does not mean to disagree strongly with someone and to feel free to express oneself.

A generalisation was made in the original post - if those of us to whom it did not apply didn't challenge it, then the post would appear to be supported. I felt the need to challenge it. That's the nature of debate.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

(and if there was a clap clap icon I'd click that too)

Do away with all 'faith' schools - and any other kind of divisive school.Luckily we never had segregation by colour as America did!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is a contribution to the discussion - why do you accuse me of ranting? Because it is opposed to your view? I simply take the points made and raise objections to each of them, drawing from standard source material for my evidence.

erm all I can see is a simple question asking if there are any Christian swingers?!..

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

(and if there was a clap clap icon I'd click that too)

Do away with all 'faith' schools - and any other kind of divisive school.Luckily we never had segregation by colour as America did!"

It's not going to happen in the foreseable though. If anything current policy is encouraging more.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do we have any Christian swingers

Simple question.

Interesting answers.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"erm all I can see is a simple question asking if there are any Christian swingers?!.."

Ah sorry - I thought that 'reply in forum' actually attached messages to the one replied to in some sort of thread - looks like one needs to use lots of 'reply & quote' to make it clear which strand of this many-threaded discussion I was replying to!

Apologies for not making myself clear.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"erm all I can see is a simple question asking if there are any Christian swingers?!..

Apologies for not making myself clear."

That explains it

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I believe you have identified a whole in the market. I can visualize you as the high priestess of this all encompassing religion . I'm in.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

erm all I can see is a simple question asking if there are any Christian swingers?!.."

I'm not a Christian, but I would not be averse to being crucified by you madam.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Strung up by the balls?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

I believe you have identified a whole in the market. I can visualize you as the high priestess of this all encompassing religion . I'm in. "

Haha, no not me, I'm strictly monogastric!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Strung up by the balls?

I am not familiar with the initiation rituals and protocol, but to be born again, i will capitulate to your wisdom. i was thinking more along the lines of be nailed to your channels of enlightenment.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some can't comprehend how can a Christian or Jew or a muslim be in a swinging site ... From my personal experience and observation, members of fab who beleive in a faithfull monogam relationship are not in the minority at all in here. I leave the conclusion and comparison to the reader just in case I get crucified if I conclude myself.

For the record, Darwin's theory has never been a scientific fact. There is evidence that one species evolve venetically and new physical characterisics appear or disappear. on this basis and from observed resemblance between different species, Darwin and other scientists assumed that species have evolved from others. This theory has become less and less supported as modern genetic science is evolving. There has never been any scientific evidence that one species has evolved into or from another. For long I

t was propagated as well in the scientific community that men and apes DNA are 98% similar. recently it has been proven that they are not even close to 50%.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *lan43sumMan over a year ago

Leicester

This for me ranks as one of the most interesting forum threads that I've read.

Religion and politics seem to get the sparks flying wherever they get discussed!

My thinking is that the sensual joy of people comes from us all being different and the more free thinking we are the more responsive to others needs? (just a theory)

Science is the other S word that is fun to me. When ppl use science to support or otherwise faith they are really using scientific history. The joy of science and sex is that however good it is now the best is yet to be discovered. It doesn't stand still. Open minds seek more distant horizons don;t they?

Be happy!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you do your research you'll find being Christian and religious aren't the same anyway.

Er, what?

Ok, there are other religions so being religious does not necessarily mean being Christian.

However, if you consider yourself Christian then you are, by definition, religious."

I would argue that Christians are not religious...they're superstitious. Most of the world's other faiths are religious in some manner...but religion is somewhat thin on the ground in Christianity.

Having said all of that I'm currently undecided as to who's nearer to God...Christians or Atheists. Christians are seriously misguided, which means even though they might have the right approach they're facing the wrong way. Atheists, on the other hand, are generally pointing the right way...but their attitude is so closed and dogmatic that it kinda suggests they're really unlikely to see God even if it was before their eyes.

Hmmm

(just adding to the color of this thread)

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This for me ranks as one of the most interesting forum threads that I've read.

Religion and politics seem to get the sparks flying wherever they get discussed!

My thinking is that the sensual joy of people comes from us all being different and the more free thinking we are the more responsive to others needs? (just a theory)

Be happy!

I like science too.

I find it interesting that those that seem most convinced by both science and religion seem to understand them the least.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This for me ranks as one of the most interesting forum threads that I've read.

Religion and politics seem to get the sparks flying wherever they get discussed!

My thinking is that the sensual joy of people comes from us all being different and the more free thinking we are the more responsive to others needs? (just a theory)

Be happy!

I like science too.

I find it interesting that those that seem most convinced by both science and religion seem to understand them the least."

Anything constructive to support that?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *bbandflowCouple over a year ago

South Devon

"If you do your research you'll find being Christian and religious aren't the same anyway.

Er, what?

Ok, there are other religions so being religious does not necessarily mean being Christian.

However, if you consider yourself Christian then you are, by definition, religious.

I would argue that Christians are not religious...they're superstitious. Most of the world's other faiths are religious in some manner...but religion is somewhat thin on the ground in Christianity.

Hmmm

(just adding to the color of this thread)"

Closed and Dogmatic?...do you honestly believe because people choose not to accept a Theist explanation for the natural world they are any less 'spiritual' in a secular sense.

Smacks strongly of a particularly elitist smugness peddled by those who see themselves above the perceived materialistic world view of atheists.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Anything constructive to support that? "

Is that a reaction to a perceived slight? If so you can keep your ego intact as I actually agreed with your earlier view.

However if you're genuinely interested in what would lead me to my opinion you could begin by reading through the comments above and many of the previous discussions on the topics before this. Full of very definite assertions by people ignorant to how little we actually know about anything.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *bbandflowCouple over a year ago

South Devon

"Anything constructive to support that?

Is that a reaction to a perceived slight? If so you can keep your ego intact as I actually agreed with your earlier view.

Intrigued by your statement 'how little we know about anything'..not sure what you mean

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do we have any Christian swingers

I think our local vicar is on here. He's Sub and has a large hoop on his dog collar

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Anything constructive to support that?

Is that a reaction to a perceived slight? If so you can keep your ego intact as I actually agreed with your earlier view.

Intrigued by your statement 'how little we know about anything'..not sure what you mean"

If you believe you have all the answers what is there for you to discover?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ce WingerMan over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"Do we have any Christian swingers

Terry Christian always looked like he could fit the bill

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *bbandflowCouple over a year ago

South Devon

"Anything constructive to support that?

Is that a reaction to a perceived slight? If so you can keep your ego intact as I actually agreed with your earlier view.

Intrigued by your statement 'how little we know about anything'..not sure what you mean

If you believe you have all the answers what is there for you to discover? "

Who do you think has all the answers?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *lan43sumMan over a year ago

Leicester

"Anything constructive to support that?

Is that a reaction to a perceived slight? If so you can keep your ego intact as I actually agreed with your earlier view.

Intrigued by your statement 'how little we know about anything'..not sure what you mean

If you believe you have all the answers what is there for you to discover? "

I'm with you on this. Science is about discovery and discovering. It needs imagination and creativity. All the proven theories are still just building blocks. Think of science like sex and surely nobody on here thinks they know everything about sex...do they?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Who do you think has all the answers?"

Nobody - that's the point!

Are you debating or interrogating?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Anything constructive to support that?

Is that a reaction to a perceived slight? If so you can keep your ego intact as I actually agreed with your earlier view.

Intrigued by your statement 'how little we know about anything'..not sure what you mean

If you believe you have all the answers what is there for you to discover?

YES!!!!

phew

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

With religion you always get some nutter thinking they are right and have t argue his way.. thanks god I don't believe lol.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

haha I didn't mean yes I knew everything about sex

But I am a willing student..

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *bbandflowCouple over a year ago

South Devon

"Anything constructive to support that?

Is that a reaction to a perceived slight? If so you can keep your ego intact as I actually agreed with your earlier view.

Intrigued by your statement 'how little we know about anything'..not sure what you mean

If you believe you have all the answers what is there for you to discover?

Know about 99% recurring..lol.

What scientific establishment/research/publication ever claims they know everything there is to know.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)