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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Just found out how much you get screwed over for taking it, looks like I'm gunna have to take a few holidays instead to keep my wages topped up, working parents really do get a raw deal  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"To get some leave paid is better than nothing as a father, why moan your getting something for nothing.  "
i believe I pay my taxes so its not for nothing really is it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"To get some leave paid is better than nothing as a father, why moan your getting something for nothing.
i believe I pay my taxes so its not for nothing really is it "
Well people without children don't get it and your taxes may just about cover the cost of education for your children so its pretty much something for nothing! |
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I have paid taxes since I started work at age 16 and will have to carry on doing until I am 65, a total of 49 years.
I am not sure what a mother is entited to take maternity leave, but, I will get no let off for the fact that I have not taken any maternity leave, does that seem fair too.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I have paid taxes since I started work at age 16 and will have to carry on doing until I am 65, a total of 49 years.
I am not sure what a mother is entited to take maternity leave, but, I will get no let off for the fact that I have not taken any maternity leave, does that seem fair too.
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like you said to me, thats your choice. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It was'nt hat long ago that fathers did'nt get any paternity leave and had to use the annual leave
I think its great that you get anything at all now |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think what Mally is surprised about is the disproportionate loss of earnings whilst you take it, relative to the time you are entitled to take. I know I had to think long and hard before taking it.
A lot of guys won't take it because their partners / spouses are already on mat. leave and unless you have a fair buffer of cash built up, simply can't afford to take it and end up burning up annual leave to do so.
I don't think he's looking for sympathy or a mauling on here. The "man up" and "you have a choice" arguments are overly simplistic and have been trotted out hundreds of times before and are rather old now.
If you're female and have chosen NOT to have children, then that's fine - you're exercising your choice. I am a taxpayer too and I've never grudged my tax £ to that end as I think it's a worthwhile cause.
But hey, that's just my opinion  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think what Mally is surprised about is the disproportionate loss of earnings whilst you take it, relative to the time you are entitled to take. I know I had to think long and hard before taking it.
A lot of guys won't take it because their partners / spouses are already on mat. leave and unless you have a fair buffer of cash built up, simply can't afford to take it and end up burning up annual leave to do so.
I don't think he's looking for sympathy or a mauling on here. The "man up" and "you have a choice" arguments are overly simplistic and have been trotted out hundreds of times before and are rather old now.
If you're female and have chosen NOT to have children, then that's fine - you're exercising your choice. I am a taxpayer too and I've never grudged my tax £ to that end as I think it's a worthwhile cause.
But hey, that's just my opinion "
its the usual attitude to the working family mally !! 
the i pay my taxes mentality but not interested when it doesnt concern me! im not gonna live to see old age or get my pension so why should i pay for them?? different when then ball on the other foot!! workin parents get a raw deal your damned if you do and damned if you dont!! messiah dave has said that the system will change for the better for working parents in regard to flexible working etc so fingers crossed it will! xx |
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"I have paid taxes since I started work at age 16 and will have to carry on doing until I am 65, a total of 49 years.
I am not sure what a mother is entited to take maternity leave, but, I will get no let off for the fact that I have not taken any maternity leave, does that seem fair too.
like you said to me, thats your choice."
Exacty but I'm not moaning about it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Some companies are better than others.
Where I work the men get 13 weeks full pay and 13 weeks half pay. We also have a subsidies nursery £750 a month, local nurseries are £1,500 a month.
Working parents do get a raw deal: fact! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Some companies are better than others.
Where I work the men get 13 weeks full pay and 13 weeks half pay. We also have a subsidies nursery £750 a month, local nurseries are £1,500 a month.
Working parents do get a raw deal: fact! "
Large companies do seem to give better benefits for working families, smaller ones obviously can't afford this type of support. |
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Unfortunately, and this is a fact proven by the Trade Union USDAW in a report written last year, it has driven employers towards employing people out of child bearing age.
Both B&Q and Asda have admitted that one of the leading reasons for employing more people in their 40's and 50's is because they are out of that 'Parenting' phase.
This is impacting on job opportunities for people in their 20's and 30's.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Exacty but I'm not moaning about it
so what? doesn't mean no one else can have a winge "
dont ya know you only allowed to whinge if they agree what you whingin about?? x |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Exacty but I'm not moaning about it
so what? doesn't mean no one else can have a winge
dont ya know you only allowed to whinge if they agree what you whingin about?? x "
so thats where I've been going wrong the past few weeks |
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"Exacty but I'm not moaning about it
so what? doesn't mean no one else can have a winge
dont ya know you only allowed to whinge if they agree what you whingin about?? x "
Does that also mean you can only reply if you agree?  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Exacty but I'm not moaning about it
so what? doesn't mean no one else can have a winge
dont ya know you only allowed to whinge if they agree what you whingin about?? x
Does that also mean you can only reply if you agree? "
no because you've replied and you dont agree |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just found out how much you get screwed over for taking it, looks like I'm gunna have to take a few holidays instead to keep my wages topped up, working parents really do get a raw deal "
the company i work for gets 2 week full pay patenty pay |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i asked a male friend about this and he had 2 wks paid leave but in his words ... was glad to get bloody back to work for some peace!!
its sad really because its the time you need the most money but also need to be at home to give support to the family x |
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My company, a large specialist retailer, allows 10 weeks full pay for paternity, then you can take a further 10 weeks at a wage cut, can't remember what it is offhand though.
The tax argument is a crap one. As a mother, should I choose to become one, I would get 26 weeks full paid leave, and a further 26 weeks additional, at the discretion of my employer. In my employers case, that further 26 weeks is at half pay.
I pay roughly the same tax amount as the possible father of my child, so why should I be entitled to more time off? Usually at a higher wage. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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and we wonder wht this great country is in the state its in
yes i agree try working for your self
so many now want and exspect spmething for nothing
come on mr cameron lets stop it now
cut cut cut |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"and we wonder wht this great country is in the state its in
yes i agree try working for your self
so many now want and exspect spmething for nothing
come on mr cameron lets stop it now
cut cut cut"
Well said xx  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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maybe im wrong here and i have no doubt i will be told if i am...but when self employed you would have someone who could take over from you if you needed to be at home for paternity leave? i know you wouldnt get paid for it obviously, but in the true spirit of capitalism you would have ripped your employees off enough so that you could afford to take the time off without worryin financially? abuse to usual address thanks! x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Makes me laugh these people begging for cuts, cuts, cuts.....like they will be immune
Wait till Osbourne slams VAT on retail food, they will all be crying like babies."
i cant wait til this budget is announced for the first one to moan!! im back to the good life growin own veg the lot! i noticed this wk my shoppin bill has went up already and its not on frivilous items! x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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think some will need to be spent on upping educational services!
yes a lot of people have noticed that we seem to be a bit in the red and that it desperately needs to be sorted out its HOW it gets sorted out that is the problem!
nhs? gonna start moanin when you cant get a doctor or seen at a hospital?
local authorities when you cant get the pothole outside your home repaired?
social services when your dementia reaches a stage where you cant be safe in your own home?
tax when your wage drops ?
vat when your food bill goes up?
i really want to see where all these cuts are gonna be and who is going to be affected the most but got a sneaky feeling im goin to be a lot worse off soon! x |
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"and we wonder wht this great country is in the state its in
yes i agree try working for your self
so many now want and exspect spmething for nothing
come on mr cameron lets stop it now
cut cut cut
Well said xx "
I darn't say anything cos I agree |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Not so long ago fathers took time off and got nowt !
Now you're getting something, that has to be better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, or would you prefer employers to just dole out the money ad hoc and give you as much paid leave as you fancy ?
Some folks are never happy !
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Wanna try working for yaself cause then ya gets fook all xx but ya still has ta pay tax "
Too fucking true my old son ! Not even Jobseekers allowance should you fall on hard times.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"and we wonder wht this great country is in the state its in
yes i agree try working for your self
so many now want and exspect spmething for nothing
come on mr cameron lets stop it now
cut cut cut"
something for nothing!? I've worked all my life cheeky fooker |
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