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"Until you are in that situation you can only guess how you would react. I always thought I would have a go, but from being in that situation I was scared and all I could think of was my wife and children.
Horny x"Well yeah i totally agree with u there ,,,thats a very good point indeed.xx | |||
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" Good post m8 " Thank u mr Mushroom.  | |||
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"Firstly my thougts are very much with all those that have and are suffering from this horrible incident... BUT... I just don't think the police are really geared up for these one off's despite having Armed Officers out there on patrol at all times... To me it seem that the events only stopped (after the guy was running around for over 3 1/2 hours) because he killed himself in the end... There should be some prevision in place that the military get called to help out in an event like this... something like the SAS... amoured vehicles... an attack helicopter... just the proper equipment to go up against someone that is armed and dangerous... As much as I respect the Police and the task that was persented to those Firearm trained Officers that day... but a police car isn't going to afford you much protection... it just highlights you as a target... many are family men or women I'm sure and want to go home at the end of the day... just as you or I would want to? Firing at a paper target is way different to taking out a fellow human being no matter what they are doing! And loose Gunmen always seem to have the upper hand when it come to them verse the police... If I get stuck up a mountain or lost at sea a helicopter can be scrabbled in minutes with the right equipment to rescue me... So why can't the police call the same but have the a special military trained and equiped team swoop into action and just take the guy out... the problem would of been stopped within and hour or so then... possibly? So its only thoughts but I honestly don't think its something our police can deal with at the end of the day... why shouldn't they have access to proper hit back harder equipment and trained personal that come from some form of MOD unit? They where used in Northern Ireland to support the police back in the troubles... The guy that day just need to be taken down as soon as it was clear what he was doing rather than just following him at a safe distance because sadly the police feared for their safety as much as you or I would... and as much as they carry their arms too they're sadly not up to the task... in tragic events like these... " Yeah u know something mate,,,,I really really agree with that that is marvellous fantastic point u have just made,,,i will back u 20,000% on that!! here here!! | |||
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"Id like ta think i would have a go But really hope that it never happens again anyway xx" yeah here here! | |||
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"We do have firearms officers...the problem was in this situation he was driving around for hours...by the time they caught up with him he'd already shot himself. The only way of preventing loss of life as far as I can see would be to have firearms officers more locally. Or in other words, armed police... I do find it odd that the PM talks of "learning the lessons" of this incident. Such as? He had had a gun licence legitimately for years, was known and popular in the community and just snapped one day. I can't even see a stable door there, much less think of how it might be shut...." Innit Just!  | |||
"We do have firearms officers...the problem was in this situation he was driving around for hours...by the time they caught up with him he'd already shot himself." um... the police where following his moves... I was watching the news flashes that morning and the police cheif was asking the public to stay indoors in this area and then it that area... if he hadn't of shot himself he would of still carried on his journey of terror... sadly the police just aren't equiped to deal with this sort of out of the blue incidents... they need a support force (military possibly?) that they can call upon and assist them... and as regards to armed officers... they are out there on patrol at all times anyway... possible just 20 mins away at tops from anywhere they're needed... to you or I they look like normal officers but will carry their weapons secure in in the boot of fairly normal highway patrol car... because we like to see police without visible weapons or rather sidearms in this country... and long may that last too... | |||
"I just don't think the police are really geared up for these one off's despite having Armed Officers out there on patrol at all times... To me it seem that the events only stopped (after the guy was running around for over 3 1/2 hours) because he killed himself in the end... There should be some prevision in place that the military get called to help out in an event like this... something like the SAS... amoured vehicles... an attack helicopter... just the proper equipment to go up against someone that is armed and dangerous... As much as I respect the Police and the task that was persented to those Firearm trained Officers that day... but a police car isn't going to afford you much protection... it just highlights you as a target... many are family men or women I'm sure and want to go home at the end of the day... just as you or I would want to? Firing at a paper target is way different to taking out a fellow human being no matter what they are doing! And loose Gunmen always seem to have the upper hand when it come to them verse the police... So its only thoughts but I honestly don't think its something our police can deal with at the end of the day... why shouldn't they have access to proper hit back harder equipment and trained personal that come from some form of MOD unit? They where used in Northern Ireland to support the police back in the troubles... The guy that day just need to be taken down as soon as it was clear what he was doing rather than just following him at a safe distance because sadly the police feared for their safety as much as you or I would... and as much as they carry their arms too they're sadly not up to the task... in tragic events like these... " Yeah, great idea, perhaps we should arm ALL the police, then they can cruise round like Robocop looking for people who look like they are about to start a massacre. I mean, these type of events happen all the time so it would be well worth the cost of arming and training them, I'm sure they would earn their keep.....sheesh! I've never read such a ridiculous idea, apart from coming from people like Sir Ian Blair, that's exactly the kind of thing he would cum in his pants about - ie. erode any freedom the 99.99% of society that is law abiding enjoys on the off-chance there might possibly be another killer on the loose. Because, anyone with half a brain knows that these kind of paramilitary units you are advocating wouldn't be invisible, they'd soon be swooping on innocent people who happen to come to their attention. For units to be effective to be deployed instantly, there would have to be lots of them, and the only way they keep keen is by constantly deploying on the ground, not on a training field. It must be frightening enough when an ARV slides across your path and a couple of officers command you to get out with your hands up, all because some fuckwit has reported your child's water pistol in the back of your car, let alone a SAS-style hit-squad. Or if you happen to be pissed and carrying a chair leg in a bag and someone thinks it's a sawn-off. Both events have happened already (the guy with the chair leg was filled with so much lead, he had entry wounds in the SOLES of his feet.) If anyone is worried about being a target in a police car, well, tough tits, that comes with the job. They know the risks, they get paid. If their H&S policy means they have to write a Risk Assessment before chasing after a batshit mentalist with a gun, I suggest some re-training needs to be done, not spending more money on turning the police service (notice how they have dropped the word "force", how ironic)into an all-powerful, disproportionately armed paramilitary state-run tool for potentially keeping ALL the population quiet. No, events like the one in Cumbria happen, it's society. If it hadn't been a gun, it might have been a breadknife. Sure, he probably wouldn't have killed 12, but if YOUR brother had been one who got stabbed, you still would be feeling let-down right now and crying that the police didn't act quickly enough. | |||
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"The police already have enough Armed Support Officers in every county in England and Wales without the need to involve the Armed Forces of this country. I think the inevitable public enquiry into this will be asking some very serious questions of the police and why their Armed Support Officers never stopped this gunman a lot earlier. " Yeah 2rite there love 2rite! | |||
" The forums headed "in respect" time to carry on a debate, if at all, on a new thread?" Well, Mr Dimbleby, this is a Swingers' Site, I doubt anyone who had been deeply affected by this undoubted tragedy will be browsing the site looking for a meet, drop into the forums and find this offensive or disrespectful. In fact, I think that people show too much faux-respect these days, to the point of cheapening the word "respect". From 2 minute silences here and there, to black armbands, there's just a little too much "sensitivity" where it isn't deserved or appropriate. That isn't what made this country Great. I mean no DISRESPECT, and of course I acknowledge it is tragic for those affected, and I'm thankful no-one I love was involved, but surely that's the same with everyone here? Or perhaps we should have a black log-in page as a mark of respect? Every member should shave their head in mourning? Just to remind people that some bad things have happened somewhere. No, it's tragic and of course everyone has respect for those involved, which is why I'm not spouting my views on the Cumbria On-Line web-page. | |||
