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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy

Temptation and indulgence loom large in all our lives. We sometimes push the boundaries on how we indulge ourselves. Why do we do so? Is it just because we are all thrill-seekers? But that is a circular argument - I seek thrills because I am a thrill-seeker.

What are we all looking for? A really thoughtful answer gets a bottle of wine, when I visit the UK next month.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Another damned good question. I'll be back when I've given it some thought

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Because we're human. Better answers will follow.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I can resist anything but temptation

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Chasing the dragon I call it, even though I know that's usually a term used for drugs. But a lot is a displacement behaviour in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Because its a pleasurable indulgence

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By *yrdwomanWoman  over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

I rarely get tempted by things because I don't have the money for it. Apart from cheese. I'll always cave when confronted by cheese.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Because as humans, we naturally crave what we cannot have; this leads us into temptation and risk that only our species recognises and for go's.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

because i like cake. when i sees it i eats it

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By *uby0000Woman  over a year ago

hertfordshire

adam and eve? we have no chance

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By *llie RoseWoman  over a year ago

By the seaside


"I rarely get tempted by things because I don't have the money for it. Apart from cheese. I'll always cave when confronted by cheese."

Oh my! A kindred spirit.

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"Because as humans, we naturally crave what we cannot have; this leads us into temptation and risk that only our species recognises and for go's."

Is temptation always about forbidden fruit? Is every act of indulgence a failure of self-control?

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"I rarely get tempted by things because I don't have the money for it. Apart from cheese. I'll always cave when confronted by cheese."

So what happens when you are in a cheese cave?

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"Another damned good question. I'll be back when I've given it some thought "

Waiting to hear your thoughts!!

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By *yrdwomanWoman  over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"I rarely get tempted by things because I don't have the money for it. Apart from cheese. I'll always cave when confronted by cheese.

Oh my! A kindred spirit. "

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By *yrdwomanWoman  over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"I rarely get tempted by things because I don't have the money for it. Apart from cheese. I'll always cave when confronted by cheese.

So what happens when you are in a cheese cave? "

I tunnel out with my teeth and a nice homemade chutney.

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"Because we're human. Better answers will follow."

Ah, but they say the origins of temptation are in the deeper parts of the brain that are distinctly non-human.

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"I rarely get tempted by things because I don't have the money for it. Apart from cheese. I'll always cave when confronted by cheese.

So what happens when you are in a cheese cave?

I tunnel out with my teeth and a nice homemade chutney."

Ha!

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By *igeiaWoman  over a year ago

Bristol

Giving into temptation is weighing up the pros (short term gain) versus the potential cons of a given situation. It totally depends on your genetic makeup, learned responses and/or on any philosophy you choose to espouse. The concept of humanity and religion mostly boils down to 'be good to each other'. If the temptation you face allows you to adhere to that simple parameter then do as you will - within reason and logic.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Because we're human. Better answers will follow."

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By *icecouple561Couple  over a year ago
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"Because we're human. Better answers will follow.

Ah, but they say the origins of temptation are in the deeper parts of the brain that are distinctly non-human."

How can something in the human brain be non human? Are you saying that temptation is instinctive?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think the darker side of human nature has a powerful, alluring magnetic effect. For some it controls them leading to impulsive reckless behaviour. For others it is seen as something they use for their own hedonistic pleasure and the consequences are irrelevant as long as they don't get caught. For others it is something to be repressed and avoided as it is against the rules they have introjected but it creeps up on them and bites them on the bum. For others it does not fit logically and rationally in their world and again when they least expect it, it takes over controlling them. Others may see themselves on the side of right fighting against the dark forces and unawarely continually reinforce it. Others may wish to explore it awarely, understand it and are tempted by the lure of its power. Others may seek to transform it into more spiritual pursuits and others may simply let it be, as it is simply part of our human nature that may at times be transformed into ecstatic experience but feel no need to pursue it and simply are. For all it is a substitute gratification for a higher order good. It's exploration is part of discovering the good life whether we know it or not.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Lust is our most important interface with the universe. When we are young we roll around in soft grass, splash in cool waters, indulge in sweet things, etc. All the time we are following our lusts and, through that process, we learn two vital things...how the universe works and...how wonderful it feels to be alive. As we get older those lusts expand to include music, beautiful sunsets, good food, porn, sex, etc. Again, we are using our lusts to explore the world around us, learning not only vital lessons but also helping us to fall more and more in love with the joys of being alive.

Then, at some point, we are expected to "grow up" and "settle down". Our lusts must be channeled into acceptable things only and not left to go where they want to go, explore what they want to explore. And so we slowly train ourselves to resist life's temptations, ignore the callings of our hearts, to not lust after life. We're either crap at this and eventually give in, having affairs or mid-life breakdowns involving biking across Africa...or, worse still, we succeed and become hollow passionless shells of humans, trapped by our own perverse views, into living out a life without lust.

Meanwhile, in the background, adverts bombard us with lust filled messages, in the quest to divert our natural lusts away from being acted upon and into being commodified and sold instead. In our frustration we buy into this 'accepted' form of lust, maxing out our credit cards and getting into debt. Finally, trapped by societal conventions into working on a treadmill of endless bills and taxes, we lose ourselves and forget what it is we truly love or lust after; we fall out of love with our lives. The society machine has conned us with it's anti-lust propaganda...or as Pink Floyd said it..."welcome to the machine"

We lust because we're alive. We resist our lusts because we are being farmed for our energy and our overlords are brain washing us into being slaves rather than free people who follow their hearts. Lol a long winded and suitably dystopian response from me

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"Because we're human. Better answers will follow.

Ah, but they say the origins of temptation are in the deeper parts of the brain that are distinctly non-human.

How can something in the human brain be non human? Are you saying that temptation is instinctive?"

We share some common features with animals - temptations or desires arise in the reward centers of the brain - these reward centers also exist in all animals. What makes us human is the ability to think about long-term consequences, which happens in the pre-frontal cortex.

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"Lust is our most important interface with the universe. When we are young we roll around in soft grass, splash in cool waters, indulge in sweet things, etc. All the time we are following our lusts and, through that process, we learn two vital things...how the universe works and...how wonderful it feels to be alive. As we get older those lusts expand to include music, beautiful sunsets, good food, porn, sex, etc. Again, we are using our lusts to explore the world around us, learning not only vital lessons but also helping us to fall more and more in love with the joys of being alive.

Then, at some point, we are expected to "grow up" and "settle down". Our lusts must be channeled into acceptable things only and not left to go where they want to go, explore what they want to explore. And so we slowly train ourselves to resist life's temptations, ignore the callings of our hearts, to not lust after life. We're either crap at this and eventually give in, having affairs or mid-life breakdowns involving biking across Africa...or, worse still, we succeed and become hollow passionless shells of humans, trapped by our own perverse views, into living out a life without lust.

Meanwhile, in the background, adverts bombard us with lust filled messages, in the quest to divert our natural lusts away from being acted upon and into being commodified and sold instead. In our frustration we buy into this 'accepted' form of lust, maxing out our credit cards and getting into debt. Finally, trapped by societal conventions into working on a treadmill of endless bills and taxes, we lose ourselves and forget what it is we truly love or lust after; we fall out of love with our lives. The society machine has conned us with it's anti-lust propaganda...or as Pink Floyd said it..."welcome to the machine"

We lust because we're alive. We resist our lusts because we are being farmed for our energy and our overlords are brain washing us into being slaves rather than free people who follow their hearts. Lol a long winded and suitably dystopian response from me "

Wonderful, thoughtful response!!! Thank you for those profound insights!

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"Lust is our most important interface with the universe. When we are young we roll around in soft grass, splash in cool waters, indulge in sweet things, etc. All the time we are following our lusts and, through that process, we learn two vital things...how the universe works and...how wonderful it feels to be alive. As we get older those lusts expand to include music, beautiful sunsets, good food, porn, sex, etc. Again, we are using our lusts to explore the world around us, learning not only vital lessons but also helping us to fall more and more in love with the joys of being alive.

Then, at some point, we are expected to "grow up" and "settle down". Our lusts must be channeled into acceptable things only and not left to go where they want to go, explore what they want to explore. And so we slowly train ourselves to resist life's temptations, ignore the callings of our hearts, to not lust after life. We're either crap at this and eventually give in, having affairs or mid-life breakdowns involving biking across Africa...or, worse still, we succeed and become hollow passionless shells of humans, trapped by our own perverse views, into living out a life without lust.

Meanwhile, in the background, adverts bombard us with lust filled messages, in the quest to divert our natural lusts away from being acted upon and into being commodified and sold instead. In our frustration we buy into this 'accepted' form of lust, maxing out our credit cards and getting into debt. Finally, trapped by societal conventions into working on a treadmill of endless bills and taxes, we lose ourselves and forget what it is we truly love or lust after; we fall out of love with our lives. The society machine has conned us with it's anti-lust propaganda...or as Pink Floyd said it..."welcome to the machine"

We lust because we're alive. We resist our lusts because we are being farmed for our energy and our overlords are brain washing us into being slaves rather than free people who follow their hearts. Lol a long winded and suitably dystopian response from me "

Oh, and bonus points for quoting Pink Floyd, my all-time favorite band!

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"I think the darker side of human nature has a powerful, alluring magnetic effect. For some it controls them leading to impulsive reckless behaviour. For others it is seen as something they use for their own hedonistic pleasure and the consequences are irrelevant as long as they don't get caught. For others it is something to be repressed and avoided as it is against the rules they have introjected but it creeps up on them and bites them on the bum. For others it does not fit logically and rationally in their world and again when they least expect it, it takes over controlling them. Others may see themselves on the side of right fighting against the dark forces and unawarely continually reinforce it. Others may wish to explore it awarely, understand it and are tempted by the lure of its power. Others may seek to transform it into more spiritual pursuits and others may simply let it be, as it is simply part of our human nature that may at times be transformed into ecstatic experience but feel no need to pursue it and simply are. For all it is a substitute gratification for a higher order good. It's exploration is part of discovering the good life whether we know it or not."

As usual, a very thoughtful response! Thanks!!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lust is our most important interface with the universe. When we are young we roll around in soft grass, splash in cool waters, indulge in sweet things, etc. All the time we are following our lusts and, through that process, we learn two vital things...how the universe works and...how wonderful it feels to be alive. As we get older those lusts expand to include music, beautiful sunsets, good food, porn, sex, etc. Again, we are using our lusts to explore the world around us, learning not only vital lessons but also helping us to fall more and more in love with the joys of being alive.

Then, at some point, we are expected to "grow up" and "settle down". Our lusts must be channeled into acceptable things only and not left to go where they want to go, explore what they want to explore. And so we slowly train ourselves to resist life's temptations, ignore the callings of our hearts, to not lust after life. We're either crap at this and eventually give in, having affairs or mid-life breakdowns involving biking across Africa...or, worse still, we succeed and become hollow passionless shells of humans, trapped by our own perverse views, into living out a life without lust.

Meanwhile, in the background, adverts bombard us with lust filled messages, in the quest to divert our natural lusts away from being acted upon and into being commodified and sold instead. In our frustration we buy into this 'accepted' form of lust, maxing out our credit cards and getting into debt. Finally, trapped by societal conventions into working on a treadmill of endless bills and taxes, we lose ourselves and forget what it is we truly love or lust after; we fall out of love with our lives. The society machine has conned us with it's anti-lust propaganda...or as Pink Floyd said it..."welcome to the machine"

We lust because we're alive. We resist our lusts because we are being farmed for our energy and our overlords are brain washing us into being slaves rather than free people who follow their hearts. Lol a long winded and suitably dystopian response from me "

Love it

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"Giving into temptation is weighing up the pros (short term gain) versus the potential cons of a given situation. It totally depends on your genetic makeup, learned responses and/or on any philosophy you choose to espouse. The concept of humanity and religion mostly boils down to 'be good to each other'. If the temptation you face allows you to adhere to that simple parameter then do as you will -

within reason and logic."

So, if there are no real long-term consequences, there is no temptation? In other words, do we call temptations as temptations only if there is a dilemma?

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By *igeiaWoman  over a year ago

Bristol


"Giving into temptation is weighing up the pros (short term gain) versus the potential cons of a given situation. It totally depends on your genetic makeup, learned responses and/or on any philosophy you choose to espouse. The concept of humanity and religion mostly boils down to 'be good to each other'. If the temptation you face allows you to adhere to that simple parameter then do as you will -

within reason and logic.

So, if there are no real long-term consequences, there is no temptation? In other words, do we call temptations as temptations only if there is a dilemma?"

One person's temptation wouldn't always be to others. A cheesecake is a tempting indulgence but too many of them are not a good thing. Getting d*unk may be fun but the hangover won't be. These are simple example dilemmas and yet most of us will occasionally choose to indulge although we know the consequences may hurt us even if only temporarily.

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By *inmaxMan  over a year ago

Aberdeen

Its merely feeding the rat that gnaws inside your head, although have also heard gnaws your balls.

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

It's the daily small battle of control. Giving in to small temptations (a biscuit, an extra 10 minutes in bed) makes it easier to exercise the bigger controls (I won't quit my job today even though I hate it). It's a safety valve.

Giving in to the bigger temptations is all part of the learning. Some we will like and some we know that once was enough.

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By *omMLMan  over a year ago

The Centre of the Universe

There have been lots of great answers on this thread here's a quote from Professor Nick Chater of Warwick University and BBC Radio Four’s The Human Zoo he contends that “having a good character is not a permanent state and we are all in a constant battle against deceitful behaviour"

We are almost in a constant battle as to whether we should reward ourselves or not. Should we be selfish or think of others? We have all faced those moments sometimes we can manage them. Other times we just go for it it's all part of being human.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Giving into temptation is weighing up the pros (short term gain) versus the potential cons of a given situation. It totally depends on your genetic makeup, learned responses and/or on any philosophy you choose to espouse. The concept of humanity and religion mostly boils down to 'be good to each other'. If the temptation you face allows you to adhere to that simple parameter then do as you will -

within reason and logic.

So, if there are no real long-term consequences, there is no temptation? In other words, do we call temptations as temptations only if there is a dilemma?"

I am wondering whether this might be the case too. Each dilemma requires a resolution. Choosing either side of the dilemma has associated consequences, however actively choosing enables the possibility of experiencing the consequences from which lessons could be learned that would effect future choices. However ever each dilemma may also provide the possibility for a higher order resolution when we are no longer caught on the horns of the dilemma. The higher order resolution would possibly be inquiry into a 'better' question.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

If you feel like having your brain peeled open I'd totally recommend watching the first episode of "Century Of The Self". Here's a link to the intro to it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_YLy6yZeaw

It basically catalogs how, post WWII, politicians and psychologists worked together to develop the consumer society as a means of controlling what they saw as the dangerous masses. Basically, after the holocaust, there was massive unease about the idea of democracy i.e. mob rule. So they developed a means by which they could give the illusion of mob rule whilst actually controlling the mob using consumerist diversions to make them 'happy', and therefore safe.

If you ever thought there was something weird or wrong with society but couldn't put your finger on it...this documentary finally shines a powerful light on it

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"Giving into temptation is weighing up the pros (short term gain) versus the potential cons of a given situation. It totally depends on your genetic makeup, learned responses and/or on any philosophy you choose to espouse. The concept of humanity and religion mostly boils down to 'be good to each other'. If the temptation you face allows you to adhere to that simple parameter then do as you will -

within reason and logic.

So, if there are no real long-term consequences, there is no temptation? In other words, do we call temptations as temptations only if there is a dilemma?

I am wondering whether this might be the case too. Each dilemma requires a resolution. Choosing either side of the dilemma has associated consequences, however actively choosing enables the possibility of experiencing the consequences from which lessons could be learned that would effect future choices. However ever each dilemma may also provide the possibility for a higher order resolution when we are no longer caught on the horns of the dilemma. The higher order resolution would possibly be inquiry into a 'better' question. "

Good point - so it opens up the possibility that we resolve dilemmas in favor of more indulgence or other ways to indulge, rather than simply exercising self-control all the time and experiencing regrets of inaction

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"Giving into temptation is weighing up the pros (short term gain) versus the potential cons of a given situation. It totally depends on your genetic makeup, learned responses and/or on any philosophy you choose to espouse. The concept of humanity and religion mostly boils down to 'be good to each other'. If the temptation you face allows you to adhere to that simple parameter then do as you will -

within reason and logic.

So, if there are no real long-term consequences, there is no temptation? In other words, do we call temptations as temptations only if there is a dilemma?

I am wondering whether this might be the case too. Each dilemma requires a resolution. Choosing either side of the dilemma has associated consequences, however actively choosing enables the possibility of experiencing the consequences from which lessons could be learned that would effect future choices. However ever each dilemma may also provide the possibility for a higher order resolution when we are no longer caught on the horns of the dilemma. The higher order resolution would possibly be inquiry into a 'better' question.

Good point - so it opens up the possibility that we resolve dilemmas in favor of more indulgence or

other ways to indulge, rather than simply exercising self-control all the time and experiencing regrets of inaction"

And yet, every major religion proscribed desire

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Giving into temptation is weighing up the pros (short term gain) versus the potential cons of a given situation. It totally depends on your genetic makeup, learned responses and/or on any philosophy you choose to espouse. The concept of humanity and religion mostly boils down to 'be good to each other'. If the temptation you face allows you to adhere to that simple parameter then do as you will -

within reason and logic.

So, if there are no real long-term consequences, there is no temptation? In other words, do we call temptations as temptations only if there is a dilemma?

I am wondering whether this might be the case too. Each dilemma requires a resolution. Choosing either side of the dilemma has associated consequences, however actively choosing enables the possibility of experiencing the consequences from which lessons could be learned that would effect future choices. However ever each dilemma may also provide the possibility for a higher order resolution when we are no longer caught on the horns of the dilemma. The higher order resolution would possibly be inquiry into a 'better' question.

Good point - so it opens up the possibility that we resolve dilemmas in favor of more indulgence or

other ways to indulge, rather than simply exercising self-control all the time and experiencing regrets of inaction

And yet, every major religion proscribed desire "

But we get Purim and Shrove Tuesday (other religions have similar) as a way of allowing for that indulgence.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

because the society we live in demands routine, 9-5 jobs, buy a house, big fucking television on hire purchase, etc when really we are just carnal creatures if thats not to draconian a description, our urges to weild to temptation or indulge in escapism are somehow dulled down or blunted by the routine society we live in, however they are always bubbling under the surface and will always 'come out' in every individual its just some people are better at supressing these than others, (did that make any sense?)

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think the for me its the connection you can have with someone new that brings the thrill of finding out more and indulging in each others company which will pull you back time and time again. Finding the mental and physical connection that leads you to a whole other level of enjoyment.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Temptation and indulgence are normal responses to being denied things we desire. Its a survival trait we evolved through natural selection.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Temptation is a moral concept though, it implies an innate morality, and awareness of 'right and wrong'. Otherwise there are simply choices with consequences:

'Everything is permissible, not everything is beneficial'

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By *opinovMan  over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria

Because some fucker invented chocolate... that's why!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Temptation and indulgence loom large in all our lives. We sometimes push the boundaries on how we indulge ourselves. Why do we do so? Is it just because we are all thrill-seekers? But that is a circular argument - I seek thrills because I am a thrill-seeker.

What are we all looking for? A really thoughtful answer gets a bottle of wine, when I visit the UK next month. "

Its not as good here as it was last week in Texas I wish I was back there.

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By *ngieandMrManCouple  over a year ago

hereford


"Temptation is a moral concept though, it implies an innate morality, and awareness of 'right and wrong'. Otherwise there are simply choices with consequences:

'Everything is permissible, not everything is beneficial'"

I just wrote a whole page trying to express that point, so I really couldn't have said it better

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"Temptation is a moral concept though, it implies an innate morality, and awareness of 'right and wrong'. Otherwise there are simply choices with consequences:

'Everything is permissible, not everything is beneficial'

I just wrote a whole page trying to express that point, so I really couldn't have said it better "

Haha, thanks, I always had a knack for precis.....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

As a wicked man once said.

I do it, because I can!

And wickedness is a human perspective which is always a point of you shared by many but not all. So if temptation is a form of wickedness then again its a point of view usually by those that can't vs those that can, will and DO

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"Temptation and indulgence loom large in all our lives. We sometimes push the boundaries on how we indulge ourselves. Why do we do so? Is it just because we are all thrill-seekers? But that is a circular argument - I seek thrills because I am a thrill-seeker.

What are we all looking for? A really thoughtful answer gets a bottle of wine, when I visit the UK next month.

Its not as good here as it was last week in Texas I wish I was back there. "

What part of Texas did you visit?

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"Because some fucker invented chocolate... that's why! "

That is the most succinct and insightful comment yet bravo!!

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy

So, reading through many of the responses, I get the sense that we view temptation as a dilemma, a conflict between right and wrong, however we choose to define those terms, and something that we feel licensed to do once in a while, but not in excess. We begin with a clean slate with no pre-judgments, but as we grow older, we (or society) imposes limits that become more and more restrictive, till the time we find the restrictions so overwhelming that we try to break free of them.

My question to you all is this: why do we set ourselves up for tainting our pleasure with guilt? And, if we know that every pleasurable experience comes packaged with guilt, why do we keep doing it? There is something that just does not add up for me.

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By *aaLaaWoman  over a year ago

Pontesbury


"So, reading through many of the responses, I get the sense that we view temptation as a dilemma, a conflict between right and wrong, however we choose to define those terms, and something that we feel licensed to do once in a while, but not in excess. We begin with a clean slate with no pre-judgments, but as we grow older, we (or society) imposes limits that become more and more restrictive, till the time we find the restrictions so overwhelming that we try to break free of them.

My question to you all is this: why do we set ourselves up for tainting our pleasure with guilt? And, if we know that every pleasurable experience comes packaged with guilt, why do we keep doing it? There is something that just does not add up for me.

"

I'd certainly argue against every pleasurable experience coming packaged with guilt. But looking only at those that do come packaged with guilt, it is a guilt which changes over time as social and moral conventions change.

If for instance I had been born in a different time or place then the self initiated climax I reached this evening would have been packaged in a lot of moral no-nos and socially inferred feelings of being immoral or dirty. However I feel no guilt about it, does this make it less orgasmic, less fulfilling than other masturbatory experiences? Is this why I'm more likely to feel aroused in a place where I might get caught than whilst I'm in the comfort of my own bed, do I want to get caught, or do I need the guilt of doing something wrong to heighten the experience?

Sorry in the end I rambled rather than giving a coherent answer.

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"So, reading through many of the responses, I get the sense that we view temptation as a dilemma, a conflict between right and wrong, however we choose to define those terms, and something that we feel licensed to do once in a while, but not in excess. We begin with a clean slate with no pre-judgments, but as we grow older, we (or society) imposes limits that become more and more restrictive, till the time we find the restrictions so overwhelming that we try to break free of them.

My question to you all is this: why do we set ourselves up for tainting our pleasure with guilt? And, if we know that every pleasurable experience comes packaged with guilt, why do we keep doing it? There is something that just does not add up for me.

I'd certainly argue against every pleasurable experience coming packaged with guilt. But looking only at those that do come packaged with guilt, it is a guilt which changes over time as social and moral conventions change.

If for instance I had been born in a different time or place then the self initiated climax I reached this evening would have been packaged in a lot of moral no-nos and socially inferred feelings of being immoral or dirty. However I feel no guilt about it, does this make it less orgasmic, less fulfilling than other masturbatory experiences? Is this why I'm more likely to feel aroused in a place where I might get caught than whilst I'm in the comfort of my own bed, do I want to get caught, or do I need the guilt of doing something wrong to heighten the experience?

Sorry in the end I rambled rather than giving a coherent answer."

Ah, yes, the joys of self-initiated climax You raise a very good question - is pure pleasure less pleasurable than guilt-tinged pleasure? Profound. Could be a good research question for me!!!

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By *icecouple561Couple  over a year ago
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East Sussex


"It's the daily small battle of control. Giving in to small temptations (a biscuit, an extra 10 minutes in bed) makes it easier to exercise the bigger controls (I won't quit my job today even though I hate it). It's a safety valve.

Giving in to the bigger temptations is all part of the learning. Some we will like and some we know that once was enough.

"

That's about it. I have in to an extra ten minutes this mornind

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By *icecouple561Couple  over a year ago
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"It's the daily small battle of control. Giving in to small temptations (a biscuit, an extra 10 minutes in bed) makes it easier to exercise the bigger controls (I won't quit my job today even though I hate it). It's a safety valve.

Giving in to the bigger temptations is all part of the learning. Some we will like and some we know that once was enough.

That's about it. I have in to an extra ten minutes this mornind "

And I will shortly be giving in to getting a new phone .....flaming, blimmin, darn autocorrect.....I really should turn it off

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals.. I suspect most of us are just slaves to our limbic system, pounding away in our brains

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"So, reading through many of the responses, I get the sense that we view temptation as a dilemma, a conflict between right and wrong, however we choose to define those terms, and something that we feel licensed to do once in a while, but not in excess. We begin with a clean slate with no pre-judgments, but as we grow older, we (or society) imposes limits that become more and more restrictive, till the time we find the restrictions so overwhelming that we try to break free of them.

My question to you all is this: why do we set ourselves up for tainting our pleasure with guilt? And, if we know that every pleasurable experience comes packaged with guilt, why do we keep doing it? There is something that just does not add up for me.

"

Do you feel guilt?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Temptation and indulgence loom large in all our lives. We sometimes push the boundaries on how we indulge ourselves. Why do we do so? Is it just because we are all thrill-seekers? But that is a circular argument - I seek thrills because I am a thrill-seeker.

What are we all looking for? A really thoughtful answer gets a bottle of wine, when I visit the UK next month. "

For me it's finding someone who will understand my needs as I will his, my curious roving mind and fiery but passionate and fun nature. When it comes to sex (for me personally) it's a thrill to experience that first touch with a man I know I desire completely, not just physically, but intellectually and yes, emotionally, without judgement and then to happily pursue our unspoken fantasies together.

I cannot live without sex, great sex.

Those moments, which, upon reflection give you butterflies and turn you on all over again. Maybe I'm addicted, who knows?! Anyone know a good therapist?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"So, reading through many of the responses, I get the sense that we view temptation as a dilemma, a conflict between right and wrong, however we choose to define those terms, and something that we feel licensed to do once in a while, but not in excess. We begin with a clean slate with no pre-judgments, but as we grow older, we (or society) imposes limits that become more and more restrictive, till the time we find the restrictions so overwhelming that we try to break free of them.

My question to you all is this: why do we set ourselves up for tainting our pleasure with guilt? And, if we know that every pleasurable experience comes packaged with guilt, why do we keep doing it? There is something that just does not add up for me.

"

I'm not sure it is a choice between right and wrong in all dilemmas or that they come packaged with guilt necessarily. However all choices have potential consequences so in effect we are playing the odds of different consequences occurring. I know if I have a chocolate I will enjoy it and get pleasure. My concern is that if I have one, then I'll have more and end up finishing the box in a sitting. So I choose not to buy chocolate thus removing the temptation. On the other hand I could buy the chocolate melt it down, pour it over a lovely woman's body and lick it off. Then work off the calories energetically...a higher order good...I may even share the chocolate so she can do the same

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By *opinovMan  over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria


"Because some fucker invented chocolate... that's why!

That is the most succinct and insightful comment yet bravo!!"

Thank you... I put a lot of thought into it.

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By *extoysareusCouple  over a year ago

kinky heaven


"Lust is our most important interface with the universe. When we are young we roll around in soft grass, splash in cool waters, indulge in sweet things, etc. All the time we are following our lusts and, through that process, we learn two vital things...how the universe works and...how wonderful it feels to be alive. As we get older those lusts expand to include music, beautiful sunsets, good food, porn, sex, etc. Again, we are using our lusts to explore the world around us, learning not only vital lessons but also helping us to fall more and more in love with the joys of being alive.

Then, at some point, we are expected to "grow up" and "settle down". Our lusts must be channeled into acceptable things only and not left to go where they want to go, explore what they want to explore. And so we slowly train ourselves to resist life's temptations, ignore the callings of our hearts, to not lust after life. We're either crap at this and eventually give in, having affairs or mid-life breakdowns involving biking across Africa...or, worse still, we succeed and become hollow passionless shells of humans, trapped by our own perverse views, into living out a life without lust.

Meanwhile, in the background, adverts bombard us with lust filled messages, in the quest to divert our natural lusts away from being acted upon and into being commodified and sold instead. In our frustration we buy into this 'accepted' form of lust, maxing out our credit cards and getting into debt. Finally, trapped by societal conventions into working on a treadmill of endless bills and taxes, we lose ourselves and forget what it is we truly love or lust after; we fall out of love with our lives. The society machine has conned us with it's anti-lust propaganda...or as Pink Floyd said it..."welcome to the machine"

We lust because we're alive. We resist our lusts because we are being farmed for our energy and our overlords are brain washing us into being slaves rather than free people who follow their hearts. Lol a long winded and suitably dystopian response from me "

best answer so far

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals.. I suspect most of us are just slaves to our limbic system, pounding away in our brains"

It's all dopamine! My limbic system feeds directly into my pelvic system

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"So, reading through many of the responses, I get the sense that we view temptation as a dilemma, a conflict between right and wrong, however we choose to define those terms, and something that we feel licensed to do once in a while, but not in excess. We begin with a clean slate with no pre-judgments, but as we grow older, we (or society) imposes limits that become more and more restrictive, till the time we find the restrictions so overwhelming that we try to break free of them.

My question to you all is this: why do we set ourselves up for tainting our pleasure with guilt? And, if we know that every pleasurable experience comes packaged with guilt, why do we keep doing it? There is something that just does not add up for me.

Do you feel guilt?"

No, I don't. But sometimes I feel bad about being excessively hedonistic!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It's the old spice o life ..

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"Temptation and indulgence loom large in all our lives. We sometimes push the boundaries on how we indulge ourselves. Why do we do so? Is it just because we are all thrill-seekers? But that is a circular argument - I seek thrills because I am a thrill-seeker.

What are we all looking for? A really thoughtful answer gets a bottle of wine, when I visit the UK next month.

For me it's finding someone who will understand my needs as I will his, my curious roving mind and fiery but passionate and fun nature. When it comes to sex (for me personally) it's a thrill to experience that first touch with a man I know I desire completely, not just physically, but intellectually and yes, emotionally, without judgement and then to happily pursue our unspoken fantasies together.

I cannot live without sex, great sex.

Those moments, which, upon reflection give you butterflies and turn you on all over again. Maybe I'm addicted, who knows?! Anyone know a good therapist?

"

I hear you. I think the ultimate expression of desire is connection at every level, without judgment or pre-conceived notions. I am still looking for that

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

often tempted - very rarely give in to it though - only really the foody tempts that get it

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"So, reading through many of the responses, I get the sense that we view temptation as a dilemma, a conflict between right and wrong, however we choose to define those terms, and something that we feel licensed to do once in a while, but not in excess. We begin with a clean slate with no pre-judgments, but as we grow older, we (or society) imposes limits that become more and more restrictive, till the time we find the restrictions so overwhelming that we try to break free of them.

My question to you all is this: why do we set ourselves up for tainting our pleasure with guilt? And, if we know that every pleasurable experience comes packaged with guilt, why do we keep doing it? There is something that just does not add up for me.

I'm not sure it is a choice between right and wrong in all dilemmas or that they come packaged with guilt necessarily. However all choices have potential consequences so in effect we are playing the odds of different consequences occurring. I know if I have a chocolate I will enjoy it and get pleasure. My concern is that if I have one, then I'll have more and end up finishing the box in a sitting. So I choose not to buy chocolate thus removing the temptation. On the other hand I could buy the chocolate melt it down, pour it over a lovely woman's body and lick it off. Then work off the calories energetically...a higher order good...I may even share the chocolate so she can do the same "

I love that thought Chocolate is such a versatile hedonic good so many ways to get pleasure from it!

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By *rofaneprof OP   Man  over a year ago

Katy


"Lust is our most important interface with the universe. When we are young we roll around in soft grass, splash in cool waters, indulge in sweet things, etc. All the time we are following our lusts and, through that process, we learn two vital things...how the universe works and...how wonderful it feels to be alive. As we get older those lusts expand to include music, beautiful sunsets, good food, porn, sex, etc. Again, we are using our lusts to explore the world around us, learning not only vital lessons but also helping us to fall more and more in love with the joys of being alive.

Then, at some point, we are expected to "grow up" and "settle down". Our lusts must be channeled into acceptable things only and not left to go where they want to go, explore what they want to explore. And so we slowly train ourselves to resist life's temptations, ignore the callings of our hearts, to not lust after life. We're either crap at this and eventually give in, having affairs or mid-life breakdowns involving biking across Africa...or, worse still, we succeed and become hollow passionless shells of humans, trapped by our own perverse views, into living out a life without lust.

Meanwhile, in the background, adverts bombard us with lust filled messages, in the quest to divert our natural lusts away from being acted upon and into being commodified and sold instead. In our frustration we buy into this 'accepted' form of lust, maxing out our credit cards and getting into debt. Finally, trapped by societal conventions into working on a treadmill of endless bills and taxes, we lose ourselves and forget what it is we truly love or lust after; we fall out of love with our lives. The society machine has conned us with it's anti-lust propaganda...or as Pink Floyd said it..."welcome to the machine"

We lust because we're alive. We resist our lusts because we are being farmed for our energy and our overlords are brain washing us into being slaves rather than free people who follow their hearts. Lol a long winded and suitably dystopian response from me best answer so far"

I agree - that was a very thoughtful and deep answer!

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By *punkloverCouple  over a year ago

hatfield

The forbidden fruit, grass always greener. As i heard somebody say "show me a beautiful woman and i will show you a man tired of fucking her"

Enough said ! lol

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