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"Cannot get 3 days off to go his mom wedding. That is not "exceptional circumstances" 3 day might seam a bit long but a day both side of the ing is not to bad one less thing to have to think about. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-27972651" Poor attendance can lead to a poor command of his own language. I think one day is enough. Why didn't his mother get married on a Saturday ? or during the school holidays ? | |||
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"Why not 3 days sound OK to me pal how old is you son " It's not his son. | |||
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"Try reading the post before you reply people. If you read the post you can see that is say they both work shifts and it is hard to get time off at the same time. The parents did tell the school it was her weddings the school even say it does. The school say her note does not make it very the pupils mother it does not say that the request it does not say it was her wedding. I bet the school did not even read her letter fully. and are trying to make it look like her fault and not the schools. Nothing new there. It does not say where they are getting married so it could a long way from the school and more family live. it would of been nice to know why the 3 days we just have to make our own mind up. Me day of the wedding with family party and a late now would be two days at least I say. As for the short notes again we do not know why. may be where they are having the wedding had a cancellation and they decried to take the opening. we just do not know. Fine used to be one of the last resort now they are the first." Think you need to go back to school, try reading what you have typed before you hit post  | |||
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"It always makes me laugh how teachers can strike in term time, they have a week off for half term then have teacher training the following Monday, they close school to be used as polling stations etc but if you want your kid to have a day off your kids education should be more important, i agree ot should but they should also look for alternative places to use as polling stations and not close schools, seems a bit hypercritical to me"  | |||
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"It always makes me laugh how teachers can strike in term time, they have a week off for half term then have teacher training the following Monday, they close school to be used as polling stations etc but if you want your kid to have a day off your kids education should be more important, i agree ot should but they should also look for alternative places to use as polling stations and not close schools, seems a bit hypercritical to me" If schools choose to allow polling on their premises, they decide whether it is safe to remain open to pupils. If it is unsafe, the school have to use the day as one of their INSET days, and staff will be in school to train | |||
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"It always makes me laugh how teachers can strike in term time..." I think thats an entirely different point - as much as I am unimpressed by the education system, people are not slaves, they exchange their labour for money and withdrawal of ones labour is the only weapon the worker has to negotiate with those in charge - as such if a strike is balloted, it certainly should go ahead at a time that causes maximum disruption, to remind those in control of the power of the workforce. | |||
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"It always makes me laugh how teachers can strike in term time... I think thats an entirely different point - as much as I am unimpressed by the education system, people are not slaves, they exchange their labour for money and withdrawal of ones labour is the only weapon the worker has to negotiate with those in charge - as such if a strike is balloted, it certainly should go ahead at a time that causes maximum disruption, to remind those in control of the power of the workforce. " | |||
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"i really dont understand why the wedding couldnt have been organised on one of the numerous holidays they have " Who has...??? | |||
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"Try reading the post before you reply people. If you read the post you can see that is say they both work shifts and it is hard to get time off at the same time. The parents did tell the school it was her weddings the school even say it does. The school say her note does not make it very the pupils mother it does not say that the request it does not say it was her wedding. I bet the school did not even read her letter fully. and are trying to make it look like her fault and not the schools. Nothing new there. It does not say where they are getting married so it could a long way from the school and more family live. it would of been nice to know why the 3 days we just have to make our own mind up. Me day of the wedding with family party and a late now would be two days at least I say. As for the short notes again we do not know why. may be where they are having the wedding had a cancellation and they decried to take the opening. we just do not know. Fine used to be one of the last resort now they are the first." And again in English please? That post makes very little sense. I couldn't follow it. | |||
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"why does a child need a day either side of a wedding? the child doesnt need to be as groomed as those that are getting wed. and its not like they are nursing a hangover the day after. 1 day, possibly, but not 3" they getting married in Cornwall or somewhere like that but they come from up near derby i think so a day either side to travel aint excessive | |||
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"Cannot get 3 days off to go his mom wedding. That is not "exceptional circumstances" 3 day might seam a bit long but a day both side of the ing is not to bad one less thing to have to think about. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-27972651" Who got a fine...? And how much was it...?? | |||
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"Can't really see the problem to be honest, the school commented they have an open door policy and probably would have authorised the absence had they been made fully aware of all the circumstances. " The school was made fully aware of the circumstances. | |||
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"Can't really see the problem to be honest, the school commented they have an open door policy and probably would have authorised the absence had they been made fully aware of all the circumstances. The school was made fully aware of the circumstances." I don't think they were on the original request tho reading thru that article. Regardless as to whether they did or didn't all parents should really know that requesting leave from school during term times is frowned upon, discouraged & rarely granted. | |||
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"Can't really see the problem to be honest, the school commented they have an open door policy and probably would have authorised the absence had they been made fully aware of all the circumstances. The school was made fully aware of the circumstances. I don't think they were on the original request tho reading thru that article. Regardless as to whether they did or didn't all parents should really know that requesting leave from school during term times is frowned upon, discouraged & rarely granted. " The school was made fully aware why the time of was request in the original request. The school even says this is so. It is okay to cut the hours the kids spend in school I use to be in school 8.45 to 4 The second school up the road from kick the kids out at 3.15 every day. It is okay to give the kids days of in term time to train the teacher a job that can be easily in the school holidays. Some schools close for polling day as well. | |||
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"It always makes me laugh how teachers can strike in term time, they have a week off for half term then have teacher training the following Monday, they close school to be used as polling stations etc but if you want your kid to have a day off your kids education should be more important, i agree ot should but they should also look for alternative places to use as polling stations and not close schools, seems a bit hypercritical to me" It's a pain in the arse but in all fairness TEACHERS do not decide that schools will be used for polling stations...... the council do. | |||
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"Try reading the post before you reply people. If you read the post you can see that is say they both work shifts and it is hard to get time off at the same time. The parents did tell the school it was her weddings the school even say it does. The school say her note does not make it very the pupils mother it does not say that the request it does not say it was her wedding. I bet the school did not even read her letter fully. and are trying to make it look like her fault and not the schools. Nothing new there. It does not say where they are getting married so it could a long way from the school and more family live. it would of been nice to know why the 3 days we just have to make our own mind up. Me day of the wedding with family party and a late now would be two days at least I say. As for the short notes again we do not know why. may be where they are having the wedding had a cancellation and they decried to take the opening. we just do not know. Fine used to be one of the last resort now they are the first." Jesus Kenny , Read it yourself. Then stop going to so many weddings. It's fucking up your syntax. | |||
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"Can't really see the problem to be honest, the school commented they have an open door policy and probably would have authorised the absence had they been made fully aware of all the circumstances. The school was made fully aware of the circumstances. I don't think they were on the original request tho reading thru that article. Regardless as to whether they did or didn't all parents should really know that requesting leave from school during term times is frowned upon, discouraged & rarely granted. The school was made fully aware why the time of was request in the original request. The school even says this is so. It is okay to cut the hours the kids spend in school I use to be in school 8.45 to 4 The second school up the road from kick the kids out at 3.15 every day. It is okay to give the kids days of in term time to train the teacher a job that can be easily in the school holidays. Some schools close for polling day as well. " Please for the love of god read the link you posted. You seem to assume a lot of facts that are not present in the article. At the end of the day my child does not miss school unless she is seriously ill. Even police get to book holiday in advance so I find it hard to believe they couldn't get leave at a time convenient for family | |||
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"Can't really see the problem to be honest, the school commented they have an open door policy and probably would have authorised the absence had they been made fully aware of all the circumstances. The school was made fully aware of the circumstances. I don't think they were on the original request tho reading thru that article. Regardless as to whether they did or didn't all parents should really know that requesting leave from school during term times is frowned upon, discouraged & rarely granted. The school was made fully aware why the time of was request in the original request. The school even says this is so. It is okay to cut the hours the kids spend in school I use to be in school 8.45 to 4 The second school up the road from kick the kids out at 3.15 every day. It is okay to give the kids days of in term time to train the teacher a job that can be easily in the school holidays. Some schools close for polling day as well. " Okay maybe it's me being a bit durr but it quite clearly states here that they didn't know when the request was made..... In a second statement, she said the school had received a "brief request" five working days before the proposed absence "which did not even make clear that it was the pupil's mother's wedding".  | |||
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"it is unfair when the schools shut for voting and teachers training.the kids miss out on school time then but that is fine. why not have teachers training in the six weeks they have off or any half term " The training days DO come from the holidays. The summer hols have only been five weeks for years now. About five and half sometimes. FIVE days were given to training. Again ...... TEACHERS dont have any power over shutting or keeping a school open. The schools are COUNCIL buildings and the COUNCIL say which will be used for polling... Fuck me people will say that teachers choose the colour of the tarmac yards next. They are only TEACHERS. They have NO POWERS. | |||
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"it is unfair when the schools shut for voting and teachers training.the kids miss out on school time then but that is fine. why not have teachers training in the six weeks they have off or any half term The training days DO come from the holidays. The summer hols have only been five weeks for years now. About five and half sometimes. FIVE days were given to training. Again ...... TEACHERS dont have any power over shutting or keeping a school open. The schools are COUNCIL buildings and the COUNCIL say which will be used for polling... Fuck me people will say that teachers choose the colour of the tarmac yards next. They are only TEACHERS. They have NO POWERS. " They get over 6 weeks summer holiday in our local authority. | |||
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"I think it is the responsibility of parents to decide what is in the best interests of their child, however they should be held to account if they fail to do that. That the state can dictate what a parent must do with their child to this extent is wrong. Unfortunately it's the failure to tackle really shit parents that has caused it to get to this situation - but it's still a situation that's wrong. I'm sure the head regrets having acted like a muppet now though." We are on holiday at the moment. Told each childs teacher that they wouldnt be in school this week...all said no problem have a great time | |||
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"Try reading the post before you reply people. If you read the post you can see that is say they both work shifts and it is hard to get time off at the same time. The parents did tell the school it was her weddings the school even say it does. The school say her note does not make it very the pupils mother it does not say that the request it does not say it was her wedding. I bet the school did not even read her letter fully. and are trying to make it look like her fault and not the schools. Nothing new there. It does not say where they are getting married so it could a long way from the school and more family live. it would of been nice to know why the 3 days we just have to make our own mind up. Me day of the wedding with family party and a late now would be two days at least I say. As for the short notes again we do not know why. may be where they are having the wedding had a cancellation and they decried to take the opening. we just do not know. Fine used to be one of the last resort now they are the first." Translation anyone? | |||
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"I think it is the responsibility of parents to decide what is in the best interests of their child, however they should be held to account if they fail to do that. That the state can dictate what a parent must do with their child to this extent is wrong. Unfortunately it's the failure to tackle really shit parents that has caused it to get to this situation - but it's still a situation that's wrong. I'm sure the head regrets having acted like a muppet now though." | |||
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"It's a load of bollox school teachers boil my piss no you carnt take your kid out sorry sir but they are going to have a day of next week cos we are over paid and under worked and are going on strike and if fine for them to take there holiday in school holiday time but to them having subsidised holiday gggggggggg boils my piss" Did you have a hard time at school ? | |||
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"It always makes me laugh how teachers can strike in term time, they have a week off for half term then have teacher training the following Monday, they close school to be used as polling stations etc but if you want your kid to have a day off your kids education should be more important, i agree ot should but they should also look for alternative places to use as polling stations and not close schools, seems a bit hypercritical to me If schools choose to allow polling on their premises, they decide whether it is safe to remain open to pupils. If it is unsafe, the school have to use the day as one of their INSET days, and staff will be in school to train "One of the schools I work for closes for polling day but they use the assembly hall for voting which is not near any classrooms so in my opinion do not need to close the school. There are plenty of people about to prevent wandering off but they have done it this way for years so doubt they will change now | |||
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"Maybe I'm slow but what's it got to do with the school where yer kid IS...???
Your child...your rules! Simple "If your child is enrolled in a school it is your duty to make sure that their attendance is maintained. Otherwise don't enrol them in the school and their place will go to someone who wants to attend. | |||
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"Try reading the post before you reply people. If you read the post you can see that is say they both work shifts and it is hard to get time off at the same time. The parents did tell the school it was her weddings the school even say it does. The school say her note does not make it very the pupils mother it does not say that the request it does not say it was her wedding. I bet the school did not even read her letter fully. and are trying to make it look like her fault and not the schools. Nothing new there. It does not say where they are getting married so it could a long way from the school and more family live. it would of been nice to know why the 3 days we just have to make our own mind up. Me day of the wedding with family party and a late now would be two days at least I say. As for the short notes again we do not know why. may be where they are having the wedding had a cancellation and they decried to take the opening. we just do not know. Fine used to be one of the last resort now they are the first." Seriously, I think the six months you took off each side of that wedding was too much. | |||
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"It's a load of bollox school teachers boil my piss no you carnt take your kid out sorry sir but they are going to have a day of next week cos we are over paid and under worked and are going on strike and if fine for them to take there holiday in school holiday time but to them having subsidised holiday gggggggggg boils my piss" Yeah, it's a piss easy job and they get loads of time off and way more money than they deserve. You should definitely go into teaching. It's low pressure, easy work. Bankers deserve their money, they're providing a valuable service. Teachers are only responsible for kids and they get paid so much for doing so little it's unreal. We should all drop what we're doing and become teachers. Ether that or maybe this guy doesn't know quite as much about this subject as he thinks. | |||
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"It always makes me laugh how teachers can strike in term time, they have a week off for half term then have teacher training the following Monday, they close school to be used as polling stations etc but if you want your kid to have a day off your kids education should be more important, i agree ot should but they should also look for alternative places to use as polling stations and not close schools, seems a bit hypercritical to me If schools choose to allow polling on their premises, they decide whether it is safe to remain open to pupils. If it is unsafe, the school have to use the day as one of their INSET days, and staff will be in school to train "sorry felt the need to put my 50p in can I add that not all schools train during term time we don't as a secondary school our pupils come first all our training days are split off into evening training so from 3 onwards and only half of the staff were striking so the school remained open. When people are taking their children out of school that's there choice but when they don't progress or do badly in tests parents shouldn't complain my children have to holiday in the school holidays parents are going to whine until the end of time about this.  | |||
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"It always makes me laugh how teachers can strike in term time... I think thats an entirely different point - as much as I am unimpressed by the education system, people are not slaves, they exchange their labour for money and withdrawal of ones labour is the only weapon the worker has to negotiate with those in charge - as such if a strike is balloted, it certainly should go ahead at a time that causes maximum disruption, to remind those in control of the power of the workforce. " | |||
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" Think you need to go back to school, try reading what you have typed before you hit post "Let him take the whole week off....his command of the English language may then end up as good as the OP? | |||
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"As an ex caretaker of a primary school I do not agree with 8. The average hours worked by teachers are 55per week at secondary and up to 60per week for primary. this is not in the classroom. 0845 roll call a tea break class lunch up to 1.5 hours class tea break finish 3.15 stampede out of the door. Yes there are one or two who do that little bit extra. but based on the old 40 hour week they do 3 months work a year in class. As for pay a few years ago a teacher straight out of college was on £33k per annum working 6 week terms. Its not surprising how little the majority of kids know. Contracted for 1265 hours per annum based on the average 37 hour week = 34.1891 weeks per annum, that equals 17.82 weeks holiday to spend all that income, not bad so if we divide £33K by 34 = £965 PW divided by 37 = £260 per hour not bad at all. Excuses do not educate our children 37 hours a week in class and 5 weeks holiday like the rest of the country then 3 days out for a child would be acceptable" Clearly you had very poor maths teacher...if £965 divided by 37 = £260 per hour. £260 x 1265 hours = £328 900 per year! | |||
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"1 . Teachers are contracted for 1265 hours per annum 'directed time'. 2. This is all they are paid for. 3. They are paid in 12 monthly installments. 4. Therefore, are not paid for holidays despite the constant misconceptions. 5. They have no choice over absence policy. 6. The right to strike is a constitutional right of all workers in this democracy. 7. Teachers do not strike because they hate children or are lazy. 8. The average hours worked by teachers are 55per week at secondary and up to 60per week for primary. 9. Britain is second in Europe for education behind Finland. 10. It is 6th in the world behind countries like Singapore and Japan. Just a few facts for those who like to constantly criticise teachers and schools. " | |||
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"1 . Teachers are contracted for 1265 hours per annum 'directed time'. 2. This is all they are paid for. 3. They are paid in 12 monthly installments. 4. Therefore, are not paid for holidays despite the constant misconceptions. 5. They have no choice over absence policy. 6. The right to strike is a constitutional right of all workers in this democracy. 7. Teachers do not strike because they hate children or are lazy. 8. The average hours worked by teachers are 55per week at secondary and up to 60per week for primary. 9. Britain is second in Europe for education behind Finland. 10. It is 6th in the world behind countries like Singapore and Japan. Just a few facts for those who like to constantly criticise teachers and schools. " Where can I find the source of what's stated in point 9? Very interested. | |||
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"Some of the posts criticising schools/teachers don't appear to be that well written Just saying "You noticed too huh?  | |||
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"Maybe I'm slow but what's it got to do with the school where yer kid IS...???
Your child...your rules! Simple "If you're being serious with this post then to answer your question ~ yes, you are. You as a parent are responsible for making sure that your child attends school, all day every day during the school term. Whether you like it or not that is the 'rule'.....!!!!! | |||
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"It always makes me laugh how teachers can strike in term time, they have a week off for half term then have teacher training the following Monday, they close school to be used as polling stations etc but if you want your kid to have a day off your kids education should be more important, i agree ot should but they should also look for alternative places to use as polling stations and not close schools, seems a bit hypercritical to me If schools choose to allow polling on their premises, they decide whether it is safe to remain open to pupils. If it is unsafe, the school have to use the day as one of their INSET days, and staff will be in school to train
sorry felt the need to put my 50p in can I add that not all schools train during term time we don't as a secondary school our pupils come first all our training days are split off into evening training so from 3 onwards and only half of the staff were striking so the school remained open. When people are taking their children out of school that's there choice but when they don't progress or do badly in tests parents shouldn't complain my children have to holiday in the school holidays parents are going to whine until the end of time about this. " | |||
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Children being off through the term is disruptive to the teaching of the class, when these absent children return they need to catch up with the others ! For any of u that think all they do is play all day are wrong (primary level)... they have a very structured day and teachers are constantly under pressure to help the children meet targets... With the policy of "inclusion" these days they are having to deal with children with major behavioural issues, which are becoming more frequent every year, children with acute learning difficulties and disabled children in amongst your class of 30 pupils...Most teachers are very caring and to some children the only decent role model in their lives.... They have to endure being hit, spat on and verbally abused on a daily basis !! I worked in a primary school for 12 years and every year gets worse !! You have certain parents complain if u raise ur voice to their child never mind the fact that the child had just told you to f**k off !! Soooooo, you think teaching is easy ? Go on, i dare you to give it a try even for one day ! | |||
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"Try reading the post before you reply people. If you read the post you can see that is say they both work shifts and it is hard to get time off at the same time. The parents did tell the school it was her weddings the school even say it does. The school say her note does not make it very the pupils mother it does not say that the request it does not say it was her wedding. I bet the school did not even read her letter fully. and are trying to make it look like her fault and not the schools. Nothing new there. It does not say where they are getting married so it could a long way from the school and more family live. it would of been nice to know why the 3 days we just have to make our own mind up. Me day of the wedding with family party and a late now would be two days at least I say. As for the short notes again we do not know why. may be where they are having the wedding had a cancellation and they decried to take the opening. we just do not know. Fine used to be one of the last resort now they are the first. Translation anyone? "Maybe he was at a wedding when they did English. | |||
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"Cannot get 3 days off to go his mom wedding. That is not "exceptional circumstances" 3 day might seam a bit long but a day both side of the ing is not to bad one less thing to have to think about. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-27972651 Poor attendance can lead to a poor command of his own language. "  | |||
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"Try reading the post before you reply people. If you read the post you can see that is say they both work shifts and it is hard to get time off at the same time. The parents did tell the school it was her weddings the school even say it does. The school say her note does not make it very the pupils mother it does not say that the request it does not say it was her wedding. I bet the school did not even read her letter fully. and are trying to make it look like her fault and not the schools. Nothing new there. It does not say where they are getting married so it could a long way from the school and more family live. it would of been nice to know why the 3 days we just have to make our own mind up. Me day of the wedding with family party and a late now would be two days at least I say. As for the short notes again we do not know why. may be where they are having the wedding had a cancellation and they decried to take the opening. we just do not know. Fine used to be one of the last resort now they are the first." so you are taking their side, even though the school has stated their position, and the facts as they see them, and they arent disputed by the parents? its difficult to get time off together due to shifts???? so what, police dont get holiday days? pull the other one, its got sirens on it. | |||
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"Why are people bitching about the OP's language? It's irrelevant. For all anyone knows, English might be his second language. Good grief. "agreed. i would say assumption was his first lol | |||
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"Correction teacher! 1265 contracted hours divide by 37 the national average =34.1891 weeks. 18 weeks off not a national average. Pay £33000 (8 years ago) divided by contracted hours 1265 per annum = £26.08 per hour × 37 national average = £965.21 per week. Yes Miss I have seen teacher marking homework while the TA takes over. Teacher training nice lunch laid on or to the pub and an early finish. The staff that cannot dispose of their rubbish from class activities in case they break a nail. You would have thought With that sort of income the teaching staff might smarten themselves up instead of all the politics in the staff room." Were you asked to leave your job, or was it the huge chip on your shoulder that prevented you continuing? For somebody supposedly having worked in a school environment you're surprisingly clueless about what's involved with teaching. | |||
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"Try reading the post before you reply people. If you read the post you can see that is say they both work shifts and it is hard to get time off at the same time. The parents did tell the school it was her weddings the school even say it does. The school say her note does not make it very the pupils mother it does not say that the request it does not say it was her wedding. I bet the school did not even read her letter fully. and are trying to make it look like her fault and not the schools. Nothing new there. It does not say where they are getting married so it could a long way from the school and more family live. it would of been nice to know why the 3 days we just have to make our own mind up. Me day of the wedding with family party and a late now would be two days at least I say. As for the short notes again we do not know why. may be where they are having the wedding had a cancellation and they decried to take the opening. we just do not know. Fine used to be one of the last resort now they are the first. Jesus Kenny , Read it yourself. Then stop going to so many weddings. It's fucking up your syntax. " This! | |||
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"1 . Teachers are contracted for 1265 hours per annum 'directed time'. 2. This is all they are paid for. 3. They are paid in 12 monthly installments. 4. Therefore, are not paid for holidays despite the constant misconceptions. 5. They have no choice over absence policy. 6. The right to strike is a constitutional right of all workers in this democracy. 7. Teachers do not strike because they hate children or are lazy. 8. The average hours worked by teachers are 55per week at secondary and up to 60per week for primary. 9. Britain is second in Europe for education behind Finland. 10. It is 6th in the world behind countries like Singapore and Japan. Just a few facts for those who like to constantly criticise teachers and schools. " The right to paid annal leave is enshrined in British law. The legal minimum is 5.6 weeks including public holidays  | |||
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"Correction teacher! 1265 contracted hours divide by 37 the national average =34.1891 weeks. 18 weeks off not a national average. Pay £33000 (8 years ago) divided by contracted hours 1265 per annum = £26.08 per hour × 37 national average = £965.21 per week. Yes Miss I have seen teacher marking homework while the TA takes over. Teacher training nice lunch laid on or to the pub and an early finish. The staff that cannot dispose of their rubbish from class activities in case they break a nail. You would have thought With that sort of income the teaching staff might smarten themselves up instead of all the politics in the staff room. " I would like to see the latest ofsted and the place in the league table of the school you worked at. If the teachers did as you say I suspect this school may be failing. | |||
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"And for anyone who thinks teachers are overpaid. A child minder gets paid minimum wage £7.25 ph per child. A teacher will have 30 children. So if they were paid accordingly they would be on £217.50 ph. And they teach your children to read and write. A bargain if you ask me. " | |||
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"As an ex caretaker of a primary school I do not agree with 8. The average hours worked by teachers are 55per week at secondary and up to 60per week for primary. this is not in the classroom. 0845 roll call a tea break class lunch up to 1.5 hours class tea break finish 3.15 stampede out of the door. Yes there are one or two who do that little bit extra. but based on the old 40 hour week they do 3 months work a year in class. As for pay a few years ago a teacher straight out of college was on £33k per annum working 6 week terms. Its not surprising how little the majority of kids know. Contracted for 1265 hours per annum based on the average 37 hour week = 34.1891 weeks per annum, that equals 17.82 weeks holiday to spend all that income, not bad so if we divide £33K by 34 = £965 PW divided by 37 = £260 per hour not bad at all. Excuses do not educate our children 37 hours a week in class and 5 weeks holiday like the rest of the country then 3 days out for a child would be acceptable" So you have seen what happens in a school's day. And? Do you see the work done in the evenings at home or weekend? How the hell are lessons planned? Who creates the diferentiated worksheets which cater for the individual child's ability. When do you think marking is done? How long do you think it takes? Who writes reports on individual children or inputs class data? Teachers spend as much time preparing and assessing as they do in front of a class teaching. | |||
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"Also after 20 years teaching I don't get 33k after tax and NI.I get barely above that gross. Get your facts right. Ps teachers STILL do not get paid for holidays. No matter how you try to spin it. They just don't. Fact." All the teachers I know receive a wage payment in July and August despite the fact they've been on holiday. | |||
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"When the teachers went on strike, parents in one school clubbed together and sent the teachers a fine! " I don't understand this | |||
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"Also after 20 years teaching I don't get 33k after tax and NI.I get barely above that gross. Get your facts right. Ps teachers STILL do not get paid for holidays. No matter how you try to spin it. They just don't. Fact. All the teachers I know receive a wage payment in July and August despite the fact they've been on holiday." just because you dont get paid for 2 months of the year, doesnt mean you dont get a wage for those 2 months. i thought you were a little cleverer than that, fella im not the biggest fan of how SOME teachers tend to go about things (rather the unions than the teachers themselves) but having lived for 8 years with someone that did early years care, on minimum wage, i can only imagine how much more work there is involved with teaching. her working week started sunday evening, when she got everything ready for a monday morning, AT HOME, UNPAID. her day started at 7, more often than not, setting up the room, and she never finished at 6 when she came home, cuz she was still doing plans for the next day, or writing reports on each kid, well into the evening. used to piss me right off. would i do it? would i FUCK!!! | |||
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"Cannot get 3 days off to go his mom wedding. That is not "exceptional circumstances" 3 day might seam a bit long but a day both side of the ing is not to bad one less thing to have to think about. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-27972651 Poor attendance can lead to a poor command of his own language. I think one day is enough. Why didn't his mother get married on a Saturday ? or during the school holidays ?" ironic comment about poor command of language when you read the o p. | |||
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"It always makes me laugh how teachers can strike in term time... " Now let's just think about this.... would there really be any point going on strike during the holidays? Maybe they should strike at weekends too..... that'll get the point across. | |||
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"It's time people in this country took back command of their lives......school is school, work is work, nobody works or goes to school to live! There is far more to education than sitting in a classroom " its that attitude which means people grow up stupid and on the fekkin dole. god i hope you arent a parent! | |||
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"It always makes me laugh how teachers can strike in term time... Now let's just think about this.... would there really be any point going on strike during the holidays? Maybe they should strike at weekends too..... that'll get the point across. "They should strike between midnight and 4am on a weekend in august. That would certainly raise awareness of the issues they face. | |||
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"It's time people in this country took back command of their lives......school is school, work is work, nobody works or goes to school to live! There is far more to education than sitting in a classroom " I agree there ought to be a greater degree of personal responsibility. I can't make any sense of your second statement though 'nobody works or goes to school to live'?? | |||
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"It's time people in this country took back command of their lives......school is school, work is work, nobody works or goes to school to live! There is far more to education than sitting in a classroom I agree there ought to be a greater degree of personal responsibility. I can't make any sense of your second statement though 'nobody works or goes to school to live'??" i think she is saying there is a better work/life, school/life balance to be struck, however, 6/7 hours a day, 5 days a week for 40 weeks of the year, doesnt, to me anyway, sound overtly excessive. | |||
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"It's time people in this country took back command of their lives......school is school, work is work, nobody works or goes to school to live! There is far more to education than sitting in a classroom " I think many people have taken command of their lives. That's why children are starting secondary school unable to read or write. Pupils are leaving school with no basic knowledge of arithmetic. Do you think this is a good thing ? | |||
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" Interestingly private schools generally have more holidays." I think this is because of the staff to pupil ratio. Having fewer children to teach means they can cover the curriculum quicker. More stress is put upon the teacher though and they are expected to be available at weekends and evenings to assist with homework online. | |||
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" Interestingly private schools generally have more holidays. I think this is because of the staff to pupil ratio. Having fewer children to teach means they can cover the curriculum quicker. More stress is put upon the teacher though and they are expected to be available at weekends and evenings to assist with homework online. " I don't think the reasoning is based on anything as logical as that. As somebody I know put it 'the more expensive the school, the less time they spend at it' | |||
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"Also after 20 years teaching I don't get 33k after tax and NI.I get barely above that gross. Get your facts right. Ps teachers STILL do not get paid for holidays. No matter how you try to spin it. They just don't. Fact. All the teachers I know receive a wage payment in July and August despite the fact they've been on holiday." Ffs I will repeat. Teachers are paid a flat rate (depending on where they are on the pay scale) for 1265hrs per year. This is divided up into 12 monthly installments. Therefore, THEY ARE NOT PAID FOR HOLIDAYS. Even if they receive any of those payments whilst not working during school holidays. It's not rocket science. | |||
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"For those confused, look up 'salary' that should help explain the method of payment. For those jealous, look up 'career choice' that should help put your own choices in context. For those confused, pop along to your local school and offer to help out and work in a classroom. Once you've gained a real insight into what is involved with teaching and the actual hours of work you'll be able to give a more balanced opinion. (Angrily emptying bins doesn't count)" | |||
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"It always makes me laugh how teachers can strike in term time, they have a week off for half term then have teacher training the following Monday, they close school to be used as polling stations etc but if you want your kid to have a day off your kids education should be more important, i agree ot should but they should also look for alternative places to use as polling stations and not close schools, seems a bit hypercritical to me If schools choose to allow polling on their premises, they decide whether it is safe to remain open to pupils. If it is unsafe, the school have to use the day as one of their INSET days, and staff will be in school to train "The Returning Officer has the right by law to make use of any school premises for the purpose of an election. Schools cannot refuse such a request. A school has no choice but to close if a room isn't available to be used for polling that would have it's own access - how staff use that time would be up to them although (given enough notice) schools tend to use this as INSET, so it's no additional closure time to pupils anyway. It's usually only primary schools used as polling stations I believe. The owners of others premises do not *have* to agree to their site (eg: community centre, village hall, church hall) being used as such - unlike schools. | |||
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Children being off through the term is disruptive to the teaching of the class, when these absent children return they need to catch up with the others ! For any of u that think all they do is play all day are wrong (primary level)... they have a very structured day and teachers are constantly under pressure to help the children meet targets... With the policy of "inclusion" these days they are having to deal with children with major behavioural issues, which are becoming more frequent every year, children with acute learning difficulties and disabled children in amongst your class of 30 pupils...Most teachers are very caring and to some children the only decent role model in their lives.... They have to endure being hit, spat on and verbally abused on a daily basis !! I worked in a primary school for 12 years and every year gets worse !! You have certain parents complain if u raise ur voice to their child never mind the fact that the child had just told you to f**k off !! Soooooo, you think teaching is easy ? Go on, i dare you to give it a try even for one day !"Well said.....not a teacher myself but have been in that environment now for over 8 years and have seen it with my own eyes. When parents are called in they don't give a dam and say its your problem deal with it.  | |||
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"Also after 20 years teaching I don't get 33k after tax and NI.I get barely above that gross. Get your facts right. Ps teachers STILL do not get paid for holidays. No matter how you try to spin it. They just don't. Fact. All the teachers I know receive a wage payment in July and August despite the fact they've been on holiday. just because you dont get paid for 2 months of the year, doesnt mean you dont get a wage for those 2 months. i thought you were a little cleverer than that, fella im not the biggest fan of how SOME teachers tend to go about things (rather the unions than the teachers themselves) but having lived for 8 years with someone that did early years care, on minimum wage, i can only imagine how much more work there is involved with teaching. her working week started sunday evening, when she got everything ready for a monday morning, AT HOME, UNPAID. her day started at 7, more often than not, setting up the room, and she never finished at 6 when she came home, cuz she was still doing plans for the next day, or writing reports on each kid, well into the evening. used to piss me right off. would i do it? would i FUCK!!!" . I have seen teachers at work well pass 9 at night after starting at 7 and still take home work that needs to be done the next day for no extra money. Would love to see someone how the ones that moan cope with what they have to. | |||
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"1 . Teachers are contracted for 1265 hours per annum 'directed time'. 2. This is all they are paid for. 3. They are paid in 12 monthly installments. 4. Therefore, are not paid for holidays despite the constant misconceptions. 5. They have no choice over absence policy. 6. The right to strike is a constitutional right of all workers in this democracy. 7. Teachers do not strike because they hate children or are lazy. 8. The average hours worked by teachers are 55per week at secondary and up to 60per week for primary. 9. Britain is second in Europe for education behind Finland. 10. It is 6th in the world behind countries like Singapore and Japan. Just a few facts for those who like to constantly criticise teachers and schools. The right to paid annal leave is enshrined in British law. The legal minimum is 5.6 weeks including public holidays "The right to paid holidays is not written in teachers' pay and conditions. They are expected to fulfil their duties within 1265hrs over the school year of 195 days term time. That is all they are paid for. Teachers actually work in excess of that. | |||
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"Some of the posts criticising schools/teachers don't appear to be that well written Just saying
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" Ffs I will repeat. Teachers are paid a flat rate (depending on where they are on the pay scale) for 1265hrs per year. This is divided up into 12 monthly installments. Therefore, THEY ARE NOT PAID FOR HOLIDAYS. Even if they receive any of those payments whilst not working during school holidays. It's not rocket science. " I'm sorry but I just don't buy that. Six weeks off work with full pay not a holiday? By that reasoning how about I approach my employer and tell him I will work extra hours throughout the rest of the year but then take six weeks off during the summer. Annually I'm still working the same amount of hours but tell him this is not a holiday. Any guesses what his response would be? I have a friend who works in a university, term time only. She works 31 weeks of the years and in her contract it states that she will get 4 weeks HOLIDAY at Christmas and Easter and 13 weeks HOLIDAY during the summer. | |||
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"Some of the posts criticising schools/teachers don't appear to be that well written Just saying
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"To the person who asked about point 9 (can't remember who) I got the info from an article in the Guardian a few weeks ago. " "The rankings include higher education as well as international school tests - which boosted the UK's position". The following finding may be a bit more relevant: "The UK is falling behind global rivals in international tests taken by 15-year-olds, failing to make the top 20 in maths, reading and science". | |||
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" Ffs I will repeat. Teachers are paid a flat rate (depending on where they are on the pay scale) for 1265hrs per year. This is divided up into 12 monthly installments. Therefore, THEY ARE NOT PAID FOR HOLIDAYS. Even if they receive any of those payments whilst not working during school holidays. It's not rocket science. I'm sorry but I just don't buy that. Six weeks off work with full pay not a holiday? By that reasoning how about I approach my employer and tell him I will work extra hours throughout the rest of the year but then take six weeks off during the summer. Annually I'm still working the same amount of hours but tell him this is not a holiday. Any guesses what his response would be? I have a friend who works in a university, term time only. She works 31 weeks of the years and in her contract it states that she will get 4 weeks HOLIDAY at Christmas and Easter and 13 weeks HOLIDAY during the summer." How about if you'd like a job that offers those terms and conditions you get yourself trained up and go get yourself one? | |||
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"Some of the posts criticising schools/teachers don't appear to be that well written Just saying
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"Also after 20 years teaching I don't get 33k after tax and NI.I get barely above that gross. Get your facts right. Ps teachers STILL do not get paid for holidays. No matter how you try to spin it. They just don't. Fact. All the teachers I know receive a wage payment in July and August despite the fact they've been on holiday. Ffs I will repeat. Teachers are paid a flat rate (depending on where they are on the pay scale) for 1265hrs per year. This is divided up into 12 monthly installments. Therefore, THEY ARE NOT PAID FOR HOLIDAYS. Even if they receive any of those payments whilst not working during school holidays. It's not rocket science. " Seemingly it is for some people | |||
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"Some of the posts criticising schools/teachers don't appear to be that well written Just saying
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I guess they're not all English teachers, perhaps......
No matter what subject you teach I think it would be quite important to have a basic grasp of the English language. For example, knowing the difference between too and to etc "Personally I'd like everyone to use too/to/ two and they're/ their/ there correctly (not to mention have/ of and many others) Sadly this is not a prerequisite for doctors, lawyers, bank managers, CEOs of Blue Chip companies etc - nor teachers of (for example) physics, IT, PE, drama, business studies, biology.... (not having a go at any teachers here, nor any other occupations, merely trying to make a point (and doing it badly lol!) | |||
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"How about if you'd like a job that offers those terms and conditions you get yourself trained up and go get yourself one?" Thank you for the careers advice
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"Some of the posts criticising schools/teachers don't appear to be that well written Just saying
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I guess they're not all English teachers, perhaps......
No matter what subject you teach I think it would be quite important to have a basic grasp of the English language. For example, knowing the difference between too and to etc
Personally I'd like everyone to use too/to/ two and they're/ their/ there correctly (not to mention have/ of and many others) Sadly this is not a prerequisite for doctors, lawyers, bank managers, CEOs of Blue Chip companies etc - nor teachers of (for example) physics, IT, PE, drama, business studies, biology....
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"How about if you'd like a job that offers those terms and conditions you get yourself trained up and go get yourself one? Thank you for the careers advice
Incidentally I met my friend when I was employed at the same university full time for two years as her manager so I think that if I chose to do that job I would be more than adequately qualified to do so "Of course you would. Therefore you can feel satisfied with the choices you've made and stop moaning about those that have benefited from their own choices. | |||
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"Some of the posts criticising schools/teachers don't appear to be that well written Just saying
You noticed too huh?
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I guess they're not all English teachers, perhaps......
No matter what subject you teach I think it would be quite important to have a basic grasp of the English language. For example, knowing the difference between too and to etc
Personally I'd like everyone to use too/to/ two and they're/ their/ there correctly (not to mention have/ of and many others) Sadly this is not a prerequisite for doctors, lawyers, bank managers, CEOs of Blue Chip companies etc - nor teachers of (for example) physics, IT, PE, drama, business studies, biology....
(not having a go at any teachers here, nor any other occupations, merely trying to make a point (and doing it badly lol!)"Maybe it's just me but I think people who are educating youngsters should be educated themselves, this is basic grammar I learned when I was 12 | |||
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"How about if you'd like a job that offers those terms and conditions you get yourself trained up and go get yourself one? Thank you for the careers advice
Incidentally I met my friend when I was employed at the same university full time for two years as her manager so I think that if I chose to do that job I would be more than adequately qualified to do so
Of course you would. Therefore you can feel satisfied with the choices you've made and stop moaning about those that have benefited from their own choices."I'm very satisfied with the career choices I've made
If you can point me to where in this post I have moaned about other people's choices I will happily bow out of this thread gracefully. I think you will find that I have, in fact, merely pointed out that a paid break from work is called a holiday.
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"How about if you'd like a job that offers those terms and conditions you get yourself trained up and go get yourself one? Thank you for the careers advice
Incidentally I met my friend when I was employed at the same university full time for two years as her manager so I think that if I chose to do that job I would be more than adequately qualified to do so
Of course you would. Therefore you can feel satisfied with the choices you've made and stop moaning about those that have benefited from their own choices.
I'm very satisfied with the career choices I've made
If you can point me to where in this post I have moaned about other people's choices I will happily bow out of this thread gracefully. I think you will find that I have, in fact, merely pointed out that a paid break from work is called a holiday.
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"1 . Teachers are contracted for 1265 hours per annum 'directed time'. 2. This is all they are paid for. 3. They are paid in 12 monthly installments. 4. Therefore, are not paid for holidays despite the constant misconceptions. 5. They have no choice over absence policy. 6. The right to strike is a constitutional right of all workers in this democracy. 7. Teachers do not strike because they hate children or are lazy. 8. The average hours worked by teachers are 55per week at secondary and up to 60per week for primary. 9. Britain is second in Europe for education behind Finland. 10. It is 6th in the world behind countries like Singapore and Japan. Just a few facts for those who like to constantly criticise teachers and schools. The right to paid annal leave is enshrined in British law. The legal minimum is 5.6 weeks including public holidays
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They are expected to fulfil their duties within 1265hrs over the school year of 195 days term time. That is all they are paid for. Teachers actually work in excess of that."It's not about terms and conditions, its the law of the land. Your holiday pay is incorporated into your hourly rate, the same is often done for casual bar workers etc. they get paid their hourly rate plus the extra 10% or so to provide for their entitlement to 5.6 weeks pro rata of paid leave . A salaried position isn't usually broken down into hourly rates, its usually paid in twelve equal monthly instalments whether the worker has had leave in that month or not, annual salary divided by 12 | |||
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" Ffs I will repeat. Teachers are paid a flat rate (depending on where they are on the pay scale) for 1265hrs per year. This is divided up into 12 monthly installments. Therefore, THEY ARE NOT PAID FOR HOLIDAYS. Even if they receive any of those payments whilst not working during school holidays. It's not rocket science. I'm sorry but I just don't buy that. Six weeks off work with full pay not a holiday? By that reasoning how about I approach my employer and tell him I will work extra hours throughout the rest of the year but then take six weeks off during the summer. Annually I'm still working the same amount of hours but tell him this is not a holiday. Any guesses what his response would be? I have a friend who works in a university, term time only. She works 31 weeks of the years and in her contract it states that she will get 4 weeks HOLIDAY at Christmas and Easter and 13 weeks HOLIDAY during the summer." You really need to read my entire post. Like I said, it's not rocket science. Pffft. | |||
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" Ffs I will repeat. Teachers are paid a flat rate (depending on where they are on the pay scale) for 1265hrs per year. This is divided up into 12 monthly installments. Therefore, THEY ARE NOT PAID FOR HOLIDAYS. Even if they receive any of those payments whilst not working during school holidays. It's not rocket science. I'm sorry but I just don't buy that. Six weeks off work with full pay not a holiday? By that reasoning how about I approach my employer and tell him I will work extra hours throughout the rest of the year but then take six weeks off during the summer. Annually I'm still working the same amount of hours but tell him this is not a holiday. Any guesses what his response would be? I have a friend who works in a university, term time only. She works 31 weeks of the years and in her contract it states that she will get 4 weeks HOLIDAY at Christmas and Easter and 13 weeks HOLIDAY during the summer. You really need to read my entire post. Like I said, it's not rocket science. Pffft." I haven't read the whole thread but would add to this post... Teachers can't decide the weeks that are taught. Their time is entirely directed. | |||
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" Ffs I will repeat. Teachers are paid a flat rate (depending on where they are on the pay scale) for 1265hrs per year. This is divided up into 12 monthly installments. Therefore, THEY ARE NOT PAID FOR HOLIDAYS. Even if they receive any of those payments whilst not working during school holidays. It's not rocket science. I'm sorry but I just don't buy that. Six weeks off work with full pay not a holiday? By that reasoning how about I approach my employer and tell him I will work extra hours throughout the rest of the year but then take six weeks off during the summer. Annually I'm still working the same amount of hours but tell him this is not a holiday. Any guesses what his response would be? I have a friend who works in a university, term time only. She works 31 weeks of the years and in her contract it states that she will get 4 weeks HOLIDAY at Christmas and Easter and 13 weeks HOLIDAY during the summer. You really need to read my entire post. Like I said, it's not rocket science. Pffft. I haven't read the whole thread but would add to this post... Teachers can't decide the weeks that are taught. Their time is entirely directed. " I think many people have complete misconceptions about teachers' pay and conditions, even though this information is freely available. And they continue with those misconceptions even when evidence to the contrary is laid out before them. It's the stick your fingers in your ears and shout lalala approach so the prejudices can be maintained without the convenience of the truth. I can add no more without boringly repeating myself ad nauseum. | |||
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"Some of the posts criticising schools/teachers don't appear to be that well written Just saying
You noticed too huh?
Some written by teachers don't seem to be too well written either
I guess they're not all English teachers, perhaps......
No matter what subject you teach I think it would be quite important to have a basic grasp of the English language. For example, knowing the difference between too and to etc
Personally I'd like everyone to use too/to/ two and they're/ their/ there correctly (not to mention have/ of and many others) Sadly this is not a prerequisite for doctors, lawyers, bank managers, CEOs of Blue Chip companies etc - nor teachers of (for example) physics, IT, PE, drama, business studies, biology....
(not having a go at any teachers here, nor any other occupations, merely trying to make a point (and doing it badly lol!)
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"My Primary School Child was Sick in School the other day.. Got the Phone-Call - Come and Collect !! Then got told - DONT BRING BACK FOR 3 DAYS...!!! Kid was fine - had just run about a bit too much in the sunshine.. Because the kid puked = 3 days off !!! Take them out of school for a Day-Out and they giving you warnings !! This countrys fu#ked "So if they were contagious (puking often goes with diarrhoea and children are not known for scrupulous washing of hands) and made the rest of the class ill that would be ok because they were bouncing around again after puking? | |||
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I realised that just as I pressed 'post message' Oh, how I sometimes wish that this site had an 'edit posts' facility!!! "Inevitable | |||
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"My Primary School Child was Sick in School the other day.. Got the Phone-Call - Come and Collect !! Then got told - DONT BRING BACK FOR 3 DAYS...!!! Kid was fine - had just run about a bit too much in the sunshine.. Because the kid puked = 3 days off !!! Take them out of school for a Day-Out and they giving you warnings !! This countrys fu#ked "You mean being expected to care for your own child when sick is representative of the country being fucked? | |||
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"My Primary School Child was Sick in School the other day.. Got the Phone-Call - Come and Collect !! Then got told - DONT BRING BACK FOR 3 DAYS...!!! Kid was fine - had just run about a bit too much in the sunshine.. Because the kid puked = 3 days off !!! Take them out of school for a Day-Out and they giving you warnings !! This countrys fu#ked "OMG can you not understand why your child is not allowed in school if this happens.....?!?! That's why sickness & diarrhoea is rife in schools because parents don't follow the guidelines ~ vicious circle ensues | |||
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"Why are people bitching about the OP's language? It's irrelevant. For all anyone knows, English might be his second language. Good grief. "The form of text and overt parlance easily point toward an individual who is trying to use English as their first language. But failing. | |||
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"Some of the posts criticising schools/teachers don't appear to be that well written Just saying
You noticed too huh?
Some written by teachers don't seem to be too well written either "I noticed that too! | |||
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"School threads always get interesting and generally miss the point about education as they concentrate on the "unfairness" that teachers get so much holiday or the "unfairness" that schools dump the kids back on the parents when they want to (polling stations, strike days, illness of the child). Ho hum... I'm so glad I am no longer a school governor. " Its the blinkers that they wear. Only see the benefits of the job (the holidays) rather than the actual work teachers put in | |||
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"School threads always get interesting and generally miss the point about education as they concentrate on the "unfairness" that teachers get so much holiday or the "unfairness" that schools dump the kids back on the parents when they want to (polling stations, strike days, illness of the child). Ho hum... I'm so glad I am no longer a school governor. Its the blinkers that they wear. Only see the benefits of the job (the holidays) rather than the actual work teachers put in" To be fair I think the school system may not have benefited a significant number of people too much. | |||
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"School threads always get interesting and generally miss the point about education as they concentrate on the "unfairness" that teachers get so much holiday or the "unfairness" that schools dump the kids back on the parents when they want to (polling stations, strike days, illness of the child). Ho hum... I'm so glad I am no longer a school governor. " some people dont care about the break in their child's education...they are just pised off that the free babysitters arent there and scared they will ave to look after their little darlings for the day! | |||
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"Some of the posts criticising schools/teachers don't appear to be that well written Just saying
You noticed too huh? "And they aren't well written because their authors were failed by the school system, presumably. | |||
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"Free babysitting?? Not really free is it? If I wasn't provided with schooling for my children (forgetting for the moment the value of the education it gives them) I would not be able to work. Therefore the £10k or so I pay into the exchequer via PAYE and NI would disappear and I would have to claim benefits instead, probably costing the exchequer another £8k. Therefore the exchequer is £18k better off a year because I use their "free" babysitters "Why wouldn't you be able to work if your child wasn't at school? Because you couldn't afford childcare?? If schools weren't there you'd still have to pay tax for other stuff so essentially that money was never yours in the first place | |||
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"Free babysitting?? Not really free is it? If I wasn't provided with schooling for my children (forgetting for the moment the value of the education it gives them) I would not be able to work. Therefore the £10k or so I pay into the exchequer via PAYE and NI would disappear and I would have to claim benefits instead, probably costing the exchequer another £8k. Therefore the exchequer is £18k better off a year because I use their "free" babysitters "It's not free. It also isn't babysitting and it isn't provided to allow you to work, albeit that seems to have been increasingly the agenda. | |||
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"It always makes me laugh how teachers can strike in term time, they have a week off for half term then have teacher training the following Monday, they close school to be used as polling stations etc but if you want your kid to have a day off your kids education should be more important, i agree ot should but they should also look for alternative places to use as polling stations and not close schools, seems a bit hypercritical to me" | |||
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"Free babysitting?? Not really free is it? If I wasn't provided with schooling for my children (forgetting for the moment the value of the education it gives them) I would not be able to work. Therefore the £10k or so I pay into the exchequer via PAYE and NI would disappear and I would have to claim benefits instead, probably costing the exchequer another £8k. Therefore the exchequer is £18k better off a year because I use their "free" babysitters
It's not free. It also isn't babysitting and it isn't provided to allow you to work, albeit that seems to have been increasingly the agenda."Teachers pay tax and NI too, so by that argument they are paying to be 'free baby sitters'. | |||
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"Free babysitting?? Not really free is it? If I wasn't provided with schooling for my children (forgetting for the moment the value of the education it gives them) I would not be able to work. Therefore the £10k or so I pay into the exchequer via PAYE and NI would disappear and I would have to claim benefits instead, probably costing the exchequer another £8k. Therefore the exchequer is £18k better off a year because I use their "free" babysitters
Why wouldn't you be able to work if your child wasn't at school? Because you couldn't afford childcare??
If schools weren't there you'd still have to pay tax for other stuff so essentially that money was never yours in the first place "Missed the point. I'm not complaining about the tax I pay I'm saying that I couldn't afford to work if I had to pay for full time child care for my five children. I believe the cost of that would be about £150 per week, per child, 750 per week. Yes I cannot afford to work if I had to pay that every week rather than just the school holidays when I cannot take leave from work. So if no schools, I don't work, I claim benefits, ergo the exchequer would be about £18 grand a year short because I wouldn't be paying tax or NI and I would claim income support. I would join the "not worth me working" brigade and buy some jogging trousers and start smoking. But instead I work my arse off and provide people with free arse wiping, etc etc for their elderly and poorly relatives. | |||
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"Free babysitting?? Not really free is it? If I wasn't provided with schooling for my children (forgetting for the moment the value of the education it gives them) I would not be able to work. Therefore the £10k or so I pay into the exchequer via PAYE and NI would disappear and I would have to claim benefits instead, probably costing the exchequer another £8k. Therefore the exchequer is £18k better off a year because I use their "free" babysitters
Why wouldn't you be able to work if your child wasn't at school? Because you couldn't afford childcare??
If schools weren't there you'd still have to pay tax for other stuff so essentially that money was never yours in the first place
Missed the point. I'm not complaining about the tax I pay I'm saying that I couldn't afford to work if I had to pay for full time child care for my five children. I believe the cost of that would be about £150 per week, per child, 750 per week. Yes I cannot afford to work if I had to pay that every week rather than just the school holidays when I cannot take leave from work. So if no schools, I don't work, I claim benefits, ergo the exchequer would be about £18 grand a year short because I wouldn't be paying tax or NI and I would claim income support. I would join the "not worth me working" brigade and buy some jogging trousers and start smoking. But instead I work my arse off and provide people with free arse wiping, etc etc for their elderly and poorly relatives."So you are proving my point then. Schools are free or for arguments sake....cheaper child care for some. | |||
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"Well actually is the law of the land that children over five attend school. There isn't a choice unless you want to pay twenty grand a year for private education or home school. Didn't really see what point Evie was trying to make or that it was an opinion contrary to mine......." The law is that children be correctly educated to a national standard. Not that they have to attend school. | |||
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"Well actually is the law of the land that children over five attend school. There isn't a choice unless you want to pay twenty grand a year for private education or home school. Didn't really see what point Evie was trying to make or that it was an opinion contrary to mine....... The law is that children be correctly educated to a national standard. Not that they have to attend school. " Which is what I said, I talked about home teaching and private education. Maybe I should have mentioned learning by ESP or social conditioning via cult educational programmes a la Scientology or the Moonies | |||
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"Free babysitting?? Not really free is it? If I wasn't provided with schooling for my children (forgetting for the moment the value of the education it gives them) I would not be able to work. Therefore the £10k or so I pay into the exchequer via PAYE and NI would disappear and I would have to claim benefits instead, probably costing the exchequer another £8k. Therefore the exchequer is £18k better off a year because I use their "free" babysitters
Why wouldn't you be able to work if your child wasn't at school? Because you couldn't afford childcare??
If schools weren't there you'd still have to pay tax for other stuff so essentially that money was never yours in the first place
Missed the point. I'm not complaining about the tax I pay I'm saying that I couldn't afford to work if I had to pay for full time child care for my five children. I believe the cost of that would be about £150 per week, per child, 750 per week. Yes I cannot afford to work if I had to pay that every week rather than just the school holidays when I cannot take leave from work. So if no schools, I don't work, I claim benefits, ergo the exchequer would be about £18 grand a year short because I wouldn't be paying tax or NI and I would claim income support. I would join the "not worth me working" brigade and buy some jogging trousers and start smoking. But instead I work my arse off and provide people with free arse wiping, etc etc for their elderly and poorly relatives.
So you are proving my point then. Schools are free or for arguments sake....cheaper child care for some."Schools are not free. We pay for schools from our taxes. | |||
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"Free babysitting?? Not really free is it? If I wasn't provided with schooling for my children (forgetting for the moment the value of the education it gives them) I would not be able to work. Therefore the £10k or so I pay into the exchequer via PAYE and NI would disappear and I would have to claim benefits instead, probably costing the exchequer another £8k. Therefore the exchequer is £18k better off a year because I use their "free" babysitters
Why wouldn't you be able to work if your child wasn't at school? Because you couldn't afford childcare??
If schools weren't there you'd still have to pay tax for other stuff so essentially that money was never yours in the first place
Missed the point. I'm not complaining about the tax I pay I'm saying that I couldn't afford to work if I had to pay for full time child care for my five children. I believe the cost of that would be about £150 per week, per child, 750 per week. Yes I cannot afford to work if I had to pay that every week rather than just the school holidays when I cannot take leave from work. So if no schools, I don't work, I claim benefits, ergo the exchequer would be about £18 grand a year short because I wouldn't be paying tax or NI and I would claim income support. I would join the "not worth me working" brigade and buy some jogging trousers and start smoking. But instead I work my arse off and provide people with free arse wiping, etc etc for their elderly and poorly relatives.
So you are proving my point then. Schools are free or for arguments sake....cheaper child care for some.
Schools are not free. We pay for schools from our taxes."yes, i get that lol thanks anyway. | |||
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"£10k tax for wiping bums is pretty good going!" Yep and for the glory of paying that I was in education for four years living on an educational loan and now I am at the top of my band, are you offended by that? | |||
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"£10k tax for wiping bums is pretty good going! Yep and for the glory of paying that I was in education for four years living on an educational loan and now I am at the top of my band, are you offended by that?" Having spent 5 years to train as a nurse, nursing for several and then retraining for 2 years as a teacher - both of which involved a fair share of bottom cleaning...no not really. I am surprised however that it can be so lucrative. | |||
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"It's a load of bollox school teachers boil my piss no you carnt take your kid out sorry sir but they are going to have a day of next week cos we are over paid and under worked and are going on strike and if fine for them to take there holiday in school holiday time but to them having subsidised holiday gggggggggg boils my piss" Well your teachers were terrible I admit, they could not get basic spelling or grammar into your head. | |||
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