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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"wow this sounds really awful looks like another nutter has been able to get hold of a gun"
Yep the warm weather brings em out
Its a sad reflection of things unfortunately
My heart goes out to those involved xx  |
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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago
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Absolutely shocking. Common place in the USA but for Britain this is a true rarity.
Can't imagine that the Cumbrian police are truely prepared for this scenario. Let's just hope the guy is brought in safely for his sake and everyone elses.
T & L |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Only just seen this. My deepest sympathies to those affected.
There will be two outcomes to this. He'll be stopped by a police marksman, or he'll end up on a psychiatric wing.
Personally, I'd like to see him caught, tried (if only to give answers to the families of those involved), and executed.
Of course, it will be society to blame, or he was taken off his mothers breast too early, or other such guff.
Sad, sad day |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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He's now on foot.... running blog from Cumbrian Police here. Here's hoping they get him before he takes out any more innocents.
http://www.cumbria.police.uk/news/latest-news/urgent-public-message-shots-fired-in-whitehaven |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There will be two outcomes to this. He'll be stopped by a police marksman, or he'll end up on a psychiatric wing?
That gunman mite think to himself--mmmm Which is better???
Only 1 way to find out---NO!!!! dont. 
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There will be two outcomes to this. He'll be stopped by a police marksman, or he'll end up on a psychiatric wing?
That gunman mite think to himself--mmmm Which is better???
Only 1 way to find out---NO!!!! dont.
sorweeee. "
sorry but that has to be the most tasteless comment to date from you  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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sounds very much like the hungerford killings many yrs ago.terrible day for all the ppl caught up in this and we can only hope this person is caught before he kills any more ppl |
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
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"Absolutely shocking. Common place in the USA but for Britain this is a true rarity.
Can't imagine that the Cumbrian police are truely prepared for this scenario. Let's just hope the guy is brought in safely for his sake and everyone elses.
T & L"
I worked as a volunteer at the University of Alaska one summer a couple of years back after I'd finished my post-grad,
The USA has always been a deeply paranoid nation anyway, but things have gotten so bad there now that every entrance door to the unversity had a reminder notice that firearms and explosives were not permitted on the premises (only in America would people need to be reminded about this), and every notice board had a list of instructions for what to do if there was an "Active Shooter Incident" - if it wasnt scarey it would almost be funny. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yeah its very sad n terrible that people have to resort to stuff like that n wot goes on in their heads ? dont think they got any brain ,,,,How can u just go round killing folk? how can u??
I couldnt no way!!!
u say u hate folk n wanna punch um up etc etc but u never do n NEVER get a gun to help u either!!
BAD peeps want banging up 4ever!!!   |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"2rite i said sorry so there u go!
sorry ,,x
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you said sorry afterwards, in my opinion and i'm betting a few others think the same, you shouldn't have even posted it, what's happened is a tragedy to those effected, joking about it just shows your true colours to others. |
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Ive only just seen this ...how terrible that someone feels driven tothis and how much more terrible for the innocent victims in his path
hoping for a speedy and safe resolution and thinking of anyone affected by this xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"2rite i said sorry so there u go!
sorry ,,x
you said sorry afterwards, in my opinion and i'm betting a few others think the same, you shouldn't have even posted it, what's happened is a tragedy to those effected, joking about it just shows your true colours to others. "
Ok i wont joke bout anything ne more unless it is funny,,,,from now on serious comments stay serious!!
So i agree------Why cant summat be done bout all these horrific gun crime stuff the pm should step up the beat a few hundred or two! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Derrick Bird has now topped himself, according to reports. Commited a cowardly act, then took the cowards way out. I doubt the poor families will ever find out the real reason why they've lost their loved ones now.
A sad day indeed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"report just in that a body believed to be that of the suspect has been found in a wooded area close to where suspects car was found abandoned"
good greif ,,,,shocker shocker,,,,unreal. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Derrick Bird has now topped himself, according to reports. Commited a cowardly act, then took the cowards way out. I doubt the poor families will ever find out the real reason why they've lost their loved ones now.
A sad day indeed. "
Getting bad from worse i cant believe this -----truely a sad day------un real shocking! evil evil coward. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"2rite i said sorry so there u go!
sorry ,,x
you said sorry afterwards, in my opinion and i'm betting a few others think the same, you shouldn't have even posted it, what's happened is a tragedy to those effected, joking about it just shows your true colours to others.
Ok i wont joke bout anything ne more unless it is funny,,,,from now on serious comments stay serious!!
So i agree------Why cant summat be done bout all these horrific gun crime stuff the pm should step up the beat a few hundred or two! "
guns get smuggled in from other countries, bobbies on the beat wont solve the gun crimes, its a war that wont be won, it will always be there I'm afraid, unfortunately not many people are happy to go with the "live and let live" life.
Yes if there was a way to stop it I'm sure they would have by now but you have to accept that guns are readily available, you just need to know where to look to get one. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Derrick Bird has now topped himself, according to reports. Commited a cowardly act, then took the cowards way out. I doubt the poor families will ever find out the real reason why they've lost their loved ones now.
A sad day indeed. "
that just makes it worse, not even knowing the motives and not paying for the crime committed |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The problem now will be a knee jerk reaction by the government of the day. People legally holding firearms will be placed under further restrictions. This does absolutely nothing to curb gun crime.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I wonder what drives a man to do such a thing, to take the lives of many and take his own life?
I wonder if he was mentally ill, or bore a grudge against who knows what?
I do feel so sorry for those who's lives have been taken and those also in/directly affected by him.
A sad day indeed. xxxxx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Notts, you are not allowed to post peoples mails on the forums....you will end up not being able to post.
Block the person if you don't like his mails and report if they are abusive.
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Ok rugby sorry n thanks.xxx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The news is saying poss 11 people dead.
Now my problem with this is as always how the hell does a "nice quiet unassuming" man go from being a normal man going about his daily life to shooting people and ruining families??
Shona
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By *uss PussWoman
over a year ago
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"The news is saying poss 11 people dead.
Now my problem with this is as always how the hell does a "nice quiet unassuming" man go from being a normal man going about his daily life to shooting people and ruining families??
Shona
x x x "
If that question was answerable, it wouldnt happen |
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By (user no longer on site)
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duuno why but I'm suddenly reminded of the Dunblane Massacre, a reminder, not that any of us need it "The Dunblane massacre was a multiple murder-suicide which occurred at Dunblane Primary School in the Scottish town of Dunblane on 13 March 1996. Sixteen children and one adult were killed by Thomas Watt Hamilton, before he committed suicide. It remains the deadliest mass murder of children in the United Kingdom" |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The news is saying poss 11 people dead.
Now my problem with this is as always how the hell does a "nice quiet unassuming" man go from being a normal man going about his daily life to shooting people and ruining families??
Shona
x x x
If that question was answerable, it wouldnt happen "
Thats whats so worrying Fuss it happens everywhere these days.
I remember being horrified when I heard about what happened at Dunblane primary school, sadly todays news didnt horrify me nearly as much - and thats what is SO worrying, no longer being sickened and horrified the way I used to be.
Maybe Im a product of the 24 hour news channels (being a news junkie) or maybe it is happening more often??
Not sure which tbh but either way it is very sad for all involved from witnesses to families torn apart by what happened today.
Shona
x x x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"duuno why but I'm suddenly reminded of the Dunblane Massacre, a reminder, not that any of us need it "The Dunblane massacre was a multiple murder-suicide which occurred at Dunblane Primary School in the Scottish town of Dunblane on 13 March 1996. Sixteen children and one adult were killed by Thomas Watt Hamilton, before he committed suicide. It remains the deadliest mass murder of children in the United Kingdom""
Dunblane and Hungerford, both incidents shocked and appalled. And will now no doubt be replayed out in the media due to this latest atrocity. In fact, they've already had a mention on many news sites. Both incidents produced clammor for tighter gun control, laws were passed, and still this tragedy happened.
It's not knee jerk reactions we need now, but greater detection of illegal firearms brought into the country. Easier than it sounds. |
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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago
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looks like he's taken the cowards way out. news flash this minute is that they have found his body, again another senseless group of killings for which will never know the reason's behind them.
my sympathies to those who have lost members of their family in this event, but again it shows the gun laws in this country can't protect someone from anyone who flips for what ever reason.
At least it's over and people can go about their business again safely for now |
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"Seems that this is a shotgun that has been used so probably less likely to be an illegal firearm."
i think in britain this type of shooting tends to be with legal firearms. They changed the law after hungerford but Thomas hamilton ( dunblane ) still had 6 licenced guns..though the law was changed again after that terrible event.
i think for me thats what makes this so scary ..its totally unpredictable and probably unpreventable. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"it took me straight back to hungerford ..similar situation with people being randomly shot in the street. terrifying"
Just the other week there was a programme on the Crime and Investigation channel about Hungerford, I didnt remember it so watched (well that and being a weirdo who likes to read about crime, and watch how real life criminals are caught) and I watched thinking how did so many survive with the killer barging into peoples houses?? Luckily for them they did but with what horror being relived everyday of their lives??
I also lived in the countryside as a child and saw farmers with shotguns (might have been something else but had a long barrel) he used it for shooting vermin (foxes mostly) and animals that had been mauled by other animals therefore putting them out their misery.
Also after speaking to people who own guns MOST are very responsable (Ok spelling not great today sorry but you know what I mean) and wouldnt need knee jerk reactions like the ones we have seen before and will see again.
Shona
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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago
clacton on sea |
it wont matter what laws you pass, if a person applies for a firearms licence and is seen to be responsible at the time of the application, he will be granted it if it is deemed not dangerous to do so, this has to be stored in a "gun safe" at his property, and should he/she become unstable it is there at hand.
i think there should be gun store's where they are kept and you have to produce your firearms licence and sign it in and out, this might then stop random act's like this |
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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago
clacton on sea |
"How the hell could a farmer be expected to go to his local gun store everytime he needs to kill a fox?"
i was bought up on a farm and the farmer there never ever took a firearms to deal with a fox, his attitude was live and let live, though it was an arable farm with little live stock other than a few farmyard hens(free range). pest control can be done in many ways without the use of firearms. and i personally was bought up to understand that fox's weren't a pest, we use to feed the fox's on our farm thus not having the problem of them trying to steal to survive |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How the hell could a farmer be expected to go to his local gun store everytime he needs to kill a fox?
i was bought up on a farm and the farmer there never ever took a firearms to deal with a fox, his attitude was live and let live, though it was an arable farm with little live stock other than a few farmyard hens(free range). pest control can be done in many ways without the use of firearms. and i personally was bought up to understand that fox's weren't a pest, we use to feed the fox's on our farm thus not having the problem of them trying to steal to survive "
With all due respect though, that was suitable for your individual circumstances. I think you'd find many livestock farmers who have differing opinions to yourself. |
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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago
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"How the hell could a farmer be expected to go to his local gun store everytime he needs to kill a fox?
i was bought up on a farm and the farmer there never ever took a firearms to deal with a fox, his attitude was live and let live, though it was an arable farm with little live stock other than a few farmyard hens(free range). pest control can be done in many ways without the use of firearms. and i personally was bought up to understand that fox's weren't a pest, we use to feed the fox's on our farm thus not having the problem of them trying to steal to survive
With all due respect though, that was suitable for your individual circumstances. I think you'd find many livestock farmers who have differing opinions to yourself."
i don't doubt it but in our area there were " pest control officer's" people who were licensed by the local authority, who had the tools and the means to control all manor of pest's. this could be the case again for that kind of pest control,shooting parties could still operate if guns were stored because they are planned weeks in advance.
if we truly want to stop this kind of thing from happening then we have to accept that stronger enforcement of firearms control has to be introduced |
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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago
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"The average farmer with a livestock/poultry farm will always find a need to have a shotgun handy.
Even crop farmers use shotguns to scare birds from seedlings"
farmers use what are known as " bird scarer's" which is a machine using compressed gas fired though a trumpet like device thus making the sound of a gun going off and have done for the past 3 years, and a new way of controlling the rabbit population has been to introduce weasels, and stouts into the hedgerows, farmers have actively looked at more humane ways in pest control for many years now |
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"The average farmer with a livestock/poultry farm will always find a need to have a shotgun handy.
Even crop farmers use shotguns to scare birds from seedlings
farmers use what are known as " bird scarer's" which is a machine using compressed gas fired though a trumpet like device thus making the sound of a gun going off and have done for the past 3 years, and a new way of controlling the rabbit population has been to introduce weasels, and stouts into the hedgerows, farmers have actively looked at more humane ways in pest control for many years now "
So the farmer down the road from me who regularly shoots rabbits.....is he using a catapult? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"if we truly want to stop this kind of thing from happening then we have to accept that stronger enforcement of firearms control has to be introduced "
I'm sorry, but I just don't accept your reasoning. Taking to one side whether or not the weapons used were legally held or not in all three atrocities; Supposing I felt inclined to go on a rampage, and I had no access to firearms. How long do you think it would take me to get hold of something illegal? I reckon I could be tooled up with the hour. In fact, I know I could. As could just about anybody with that sort of inclination.
Would imposing greater sanctions on those who legally own firearms stop this kind of thing happening again? Not a chance. Laws have been passed previously, they haven't prevented this.
Is the solution to have a blanket ban on firearms? I've no doubt that will be discussed in the press, maybe even heralded in some quarters. However, it is far too easy to get hold of illegal weapons. All a blanket ban would do, in my opinion, is increase the number of illegally held weapons.
Just my opinion, feel free to tell me I'm talking bollocks. |
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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago
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"The average farmer with a livestock/poultry farm will always find a need to have a shotgun handy.
Even crop farmers use shotguns to scare birds from seedlings
farmers use what are known as " bird scarer's" which is a machine using compressed gas fired though a trumpet like device thus making the sound of a gun going off and have done for the past 3 years, and a new way of controlling the rabbit population has been to introduce weasels, and stouts into the hedgerows, farmers have actively looked at more humane ways in pest control for many years now
So the farmer down the road from me who regularly shoots rabbits.....is he using a catapult? "
I never said all farmer were actively using more humane ways to control pest's just making the point that firearms aren't the only way to control pest's.
Remember it's not the gun it self that kills but the person behind it.
control the access to firearms and you control their use too. And hopefully this kind of thing will diminish too |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The average farmer with a livestock/poultry farm will always find a need to have a shotgun handy.
Even crop farmers use shotguns to scare birds from seedlings
farmers use what are known as " bird scarer's" which is a machine using compressed gas fired though a trumpet like device thus making the sound of a gun going off and have done for the past 3 years, and a new way of controlling the rabbit population has been to introduce weasels, and stouts into the hedgerows, farmers have actively looked at more humane ways in pest control for many years now
So the farmer down the road from me who regularly shoots rabbits.....is he using a catapult?
I never said all farmer were actively using more humane ways to control pest's just making the point that firearms aren't the only way to control pest's.
Remember it's not the gun it self that kills but the person behind it.
control the access to firearms and you control their use too. And hopefully this kind of thing will diminish too "
But how do you control access when so many guns are being smuggled round the world illegally. Its a lot easier said than done. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just a point to note here, whilst we are on about farmers and controlling their access to weapons, here's the killers occupations......
Dunblane - Thomas Watt Hamilton - Unemployed shopkeeper
Hungerford - Michael ryan - Unemployed Labourer and Antiques Dealer
Cumbria - Derrick Bird - Taxi Driver.
Not a farmer amongst them
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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago
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I'll lay odds that the gun used was legally held by the person who used it, and a firearms certificate issued in accordance with the law relevant to that particular gun too.
At the time the issue was made the normal checks would have been made,and later this person snapped ( the reason for which may never be known as he appears to have shot himself), you'll never impose legislation that can prevent that happening, but IF joe public wants to hold a gun then i think there should be more restriction's on the storage of the said firearm |
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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago
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"Is the solution to have a blanket ban on firearms? I've no doubt that will be discussed in the press, maybe even heralded in some quarters. However, it is far too easy to get hold of illegal weapons. All a blanket ban would do, in my opinion, is increase the number of illegally held weapons.
Just my opinion, feel free to tell me I'm talking bollocks."
No, you're not talking bollocks, my guns are now safely housed in Belgium after the last retarded knee-jerk reaction deprived a swathe of responsible, legitimate shooters of our sport, yet gun crime (Section 1 FA, rather than shotgun) has increased massively. Maybe if guns weren't such mystical objects of desire, less people would be so keen to get their hands on them, to play the big-time criminal with the glamour of a "gat" in their waistband?
You can't teach responsible gun ownership and safety to anyone if the only guns they handle are illegally held, yet they see movie stars on the big screen taking multiple gunshot wounds and still crawling on to win the day, like they have just stubbed their toe.
Show people what a stray slug will do when it hits an elbow and ends up coming out of the hip on the other side, with all the associated tissue damage, let alone a close-up aimed shot. Show real-life footage of people screaming for their mother absolutely insensible with pain after taking the kind of shot Mel Gibson winces at and limps away. Guns aren't toys, they need respect and people need to be educated about them. The genie can't be put back in the bottle, so we have to be realistic about gun ownership.
In any case, the classic definition of a Police State is one where the citizens have no guns but the police do, and I can't see Robocop and Co giving up their weaponry.
Um, strayed a bit from the issues today, from 1 man with a shotgun, but all the cuckoos will be coming out of the woodwork any minute now calling for more stringent controls! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This Is Incredible news really really shocking!!
This has brought it home to me ,,,the bloody nutter he is!!
My brother was only in the village of boot last weekend with his wife n kid.
This nutter wants stopping n others to. |
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"This Is Incredible news really really shocking!!
This has brought it home to me ,,,the bloody nutter he is!!
My brother was only in the village of boot last weekend with his wife n kid.
This nutter wants stopping n others to. "
errrrr....he was stopped, he shot himself. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yeah i think thats why Corrie isnt on tonite or next few days because of todays events!
Yeah wot a waste of life ,,pointless.
my thoughts are with the people involved.
R I P xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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what i find incredible as is, despite what he's done, no-one has a bad word to say about him.
it's almost like the sympathy of the locals is with derrick bird |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"what i find incredible as is, despite what he's done, no-one has a bad word to say about him.
it's almost like the sympathy of the locals is with derrick bird"
no one had a bad word to say about him before.... no I am sure his name will be synonymous with this...
actually.... this might seem chilling because I have been thru this time after time in the states.... but i am surprised it doesn't happen more often... |
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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago
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"what i find incredible as is, despite what he's done, no-one has a bad word to say about him.
it's almost like the sympathy of the locals is with derrick bird"
The reports are that he was well known and well liked
I doubt they like the man now though |
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"what i find incredible as is, despite what he's done, no-one has a bad word to say about him.
it's almost like the sympathy of the locals is with derrick bird"
i dont think its purely sympathy...more disbelief and shock that its really someone in their community that would never have been deemed capable of such a thing. |
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If this was a legally held weapon even if it were in your hypathetical store he still could have accessed the weapon with his license.Then there is the cost of providing such a store and manning it 24/7 to give law abiding citizens access to their property. We already have some of the strictest licensing laws in the world we certainly dont need any more.It is always so sad to hear these news articles but as a taxi driver he had unfettered access to a killing machine the car. |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
Rushden |
"duuno why but I'm suddenly reminded of the Dunblane Massacre, a reminder, not that any of us need it "The Dunblane massacre was a multiple murder-suicide which occurred at Dunblane Primary School in the Scottish town of Dunblane on 13 March 1996. Sixteen children and one adult were killed by Thomas Watt Hamilton, before he committed suicide. It remains the deadliest mass murder of children in the United Kingdom"
Dunblane and Hungerford, both incidents shocked and appalled. And will now no doubt be replayed out in the media due to this latest atrocity. In fact, they've already had a mention on many news sites. Both incidents produced clammor for tighter gun control, laws were passed, and still this tragedy happened.
It's not knee jerk reactions we need now, but greater detection of illegal firearms brought into the country. Easier than it sounds. "
Sorry, I bit my lip the first time, but do you really have to plead for the gun owners of the country on a post about the most horrific tragedy for years, brought about by gun ownership?
This is truly a sad day for those families and friends directly affected by this and also for the rest of us when we realise what sort of society we have spawned! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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such tragic news and i really feel for all the people involved and also the gunmans family.
illegal firearms are a major problem in this country and gettin bigger by the day. with enough money you can get a gun and within hours if you know the right people.
we had guns in the house when i was younger in a locked cupboard in the loft licenced etc and disposed of at the local police station when papa died as we didnt want them gettin into the wrong hands.
but its a sad but true fact of society today that access to guns can be arranged. do you honestly think after the northern ireland troubles they melted them down? or that inner city gun crime doesnt happen?? it does we just dont hear about it as much or dont pay any great attention as its not near us or broadcast by the media.
my heart tells me guns of any form should be banned but if you ban somethin it makes it harder to contril and more in demand for them that think they need them for whatever reason x |
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"duuno why but I'm suddenly reminded of the Dunblane Massacre, a reminder, not that any of us need it "The Dunblane massacre was a multiple murder-suicide which occurred at Dunblane Primary School in the Scottish town of Dunblane on 13 March 1996. Sixteen children and one adult were killed by Thomas Watt Hamilton, before he committed suicide. It remains the deadliest mass murder of children in the United Kingdom"
Dunblane and Hungerford, both incidents shocked and appalled. And will now no doubt be replayed out in the media due to this latest atrocity. In fact, they've already had a mention on many news sites. Both incidents produced clammor for tighter gun control, laws were passed, and still this tragedy happened.
It's not knee jerk reactions we need now, but greater detection of illegal firearms brought into the country. Easier than it sounds.
Sorry, I bit my lip the first time, but do you really have to plead for the gun owners of the country on a post about the most horrific tragedy for years, brought about by gun ownership?
This is truly a sad day for those families and friends directly affected by this and also for the rest of us when we realise what sort of society we have spawned! "
How dare you imply that I am being flippant about yesterdays events and I am 'pleading' for the rights of gun owners.
I did no such thing. My comments were merely stating that knee jerk reactions do not tend to produce the right results.
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