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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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When the smoking ban was being talked about (cause all us adults that smoke should be shot for our disgusting habit)
I predicted (in our local pub)that when the do-gooders had finished and broken us
Then they would start on alcohol
And bugger me (yes please lol  )
They have started on it
On the news this morning the group NICE
(why the hell they are called that when they are not)
Want minimum prices on alcohol and a ban on advertising
What exactly do these people want us to do?
Give up all things that are bad for us so we can live longer??
Why the hell do some people think that they have the right to tell me how i should live just because their life is boring
I drink and smoke but not excessively and cannot for the life of me see why i and many more should suffer just because a minority cant handle life's vices
Deal with them and leave the rest of us alone xx  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Ooooo don't get me started on this topic
Prevention is what they are trying to do, i do agree though live and let live, we all are adult enough to make out own decisions.
However it is the impact of alcohol related illness that they are trying to reduce and the impact on NHS for treating these. I personally believe if i drink/smoke/crap diet myself to oblivion then i should waive the right to NHS care.
It is only when you work in the NHS that you see the impact of these things and the lives of the people and what it does. For example,there nothing worse than seeing a 22 yr old woman needing a liver transplant because of alcohol. Why should she get it rather than someone who's illness is not related to alcohol.
I do like to have a drink and know how to drink responsibly and try to advocate that to my 14yr old.
I think we do have to take some responsibility for our actions however sometimes the minority make it worse for the majority.
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the people that drink responsibly are again being deprived of a little bit of enjoyment!,in this country at the moment we have very little to feel happy or crow about and that is why so many people are flying flags in support of the world cup!,we have little chance of actualy winning but for few weeks we can be happy!.
with so many on the dole as unemployed they cannot afford the ridiculous price per unit of alcohol that has been suggested so the innocent suffer yet again!.
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over a year ago
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Thin end of the wedge...and a very slippery slope...
Prevention is cheaper than cure...simple...
The arguement for not treating peeps in the N.H.S who have "self Inflicted" health conditions...worries me... who decides the criteria of what defines self in flicted..???
Dont treat smokers..
Dont treat drinkers..
Dont treat drug users..
Dont treat eating disorders..overeaters..or bulimics..or anorexics..
Dont treat peeps with Sports injuries..and omg...peeps with S.T.Is..
Dont treat ....the list can go on...
Really dont know where I stand on this subject...I smoke...and unhappily continue to pay a fortune for my vice.
I dont really drink...but I am guessing peeps that do will...moan about price increases...but continue to drink...
Fed up with "the nanny state"...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What will they tax to the hilt if we do give up smoking, drinking and driving? all of which are bad for us and others around us. "
they will just find something else for us all to get screwed with. |
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Psychologist will tell you that the human species/society must have a witch-hunt. There are hundreds if not thousands of groups trying to get something or the other banned. Some of these ‘good causes’ gather momentum but most do not. For those that do increase mass, ultimately they will see to the suppression of a minority and this is all part of the joys and ‘rightness’ of democracy!
Democracy has a major fault, although it may represent the voice of the majority that DOESN’T make it RIGHT. Your government is also not interested in what is right, its only interested in trying to LOOK right to the majority.
The smoking ban is just another bullshit approach to the government trying to make it ‘look like’ they are doing good. When the ban was put in place smoking was already down from 80% of the population smoking to 25%, so it wasn’t broken so it didn’t need fixing… it was fixing itself already. No smoking in workplace has been standard practice for almost 20 years in the majority of workplaces, no smoking in shops goes back more than 30 years and so on. For the government it was an easy target.
Consider the recreational drugs issue… the media jump on the bandwagon every time there is an incident such as a youngster dying from an overdose. But now look at it logically… the illegal drugs industry is worth billions upon billions, does anyone actually think that this is being supported by a few school kids and homeless junkies? NO… its being supported by millions and millions normal working and affluent members of society. Friday they start their weekend and have a great time on drugs, and then Monday they go back to work to earn the money to pay for the next weekend.
Medically alcohol is just as addictive as heroin! Now I’m not trying to ‘sell’ recreational drugs but the fact is currently alcohol is a much bigger problem!
I totally agree with ‘live and let live’ or should that be ‘live and let die’ but also EDUCATE, give people the tools to make informed decisions about what they do.
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By (user no longer on site)
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im afraid its because statistics clearly show that there is an increase in people drinking irresponsibly. young people are drinking at earlier ages and with excessive drinking comes persistent offending, gang fights, teenage pregnancy, non attendance at school............its a vicious circle at present with young people having the same issues that social services tried to help their parents with!! Im all for people having their bit of fun but in my honest opinion its not perhaps the price of drink that needs looked at but rather the availability of it. Take sweden for example.....their government operates the shops that sell booze and the opening hours are strictly regulated. You dont have any corner shops who sell booze for 12 hours a day and from memory they are closed from 7pm. Too many young people in the UK now have fewer opportunities re employment and their is a larger percentage of the next generation heading towards a career of the state providing for them......and sitting about all day getting blasted on cheap cider aint helping their prospects!! they will be taxing swingers next.....ha ha |
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i hate the nanny state ,people should be allowed to make choices about there body as long as it doesnt effect anyone else .
I thought they were doing this to target and deter the youth market,who have been systematically targetted by ad agencies that drinking is having a good time.
Its interesting that in France we were always told french kids have a responsible attitude to drinking,since the ad men got in over there with alcopops the binge drinking is off the scale and the French now face the same problems.
Target the kids ...but let adults decide for themselves..and give the pubs a chance to survive. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i hate the nanny state ,people should be allowed to make choices about there body as long as it doesnt effect anyone else .
I thought they were doing this to target and deter the youth market,who have been systematically targetted by ad agencies that drinking is having a good time.
Its interesting that in France we were always told french kids have a responsible attitude to drinking,since the ad men got in over there with alcopops the binge drinking is off the scale and the French now face the same problems.
Target the kids ...but let adults decide for themselves..and give the pubs a chance to survive."
Why target any group if you hate the nanny state! Looks like you like double standards |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Thin end of the wedge...and a very slippery slope...
Prevention is cheaper than cure...simple...
The arguement for not treating peeps in the N.H.S who have "self Inflicted" health conditions...worries me... who decides the criteria of what defines self in flicted..???
Dont treat smokers..
Dont treat drinkers..
Dont treat drug users..
Dont treat eating disorders..overeaters..or bulimics..or anorexics..
Dont treat peeps with Sports injuries..and omg...peeps with S.T.Is..
Dont treat ....the list can go on...
Really dont know where I stand on this subject...I smoke...and unhappily continue to pay a fortune for my vice.
I dont really drink...but I am guessing peeps that do will...moan about price increases...but continue to drink...
Fed up with "the nanny state"...
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I agree with you 100% - the list of exclusions would be endless...
don't treat premature babies under 3lb birth weight;
don't treat any one over three score years and then...they've had a good innings;
don't treat single women coming in for the second child;
don't treat anyone who's been hit with the ugly stick...you could go on forever!!!
DO allow adults to make their own mind up, STOP nannying us...life is meant to involve some risks and vices...who wants to live to be a hundred on cabbage, fresh air, Sanatogen (thimble full) and 12 hours sleep a night?!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Thin end of the wedge...and a very slippery slope...
Prevention is cheaper than cure...simple...
The arguement for not treating peeps in the N.H.S who have "self Inflicted" health conditions...worries me... who decides the criteria of what defines self in flicted..???
Dont treat smokers..
Dont treat drinkers..
Dont treat drug users..
Dont treat eating disorders..overeaters..or bulimics..or anorexics..
Dont treat peeps with Sports injuries..and omg...peeps with S.T.Is..
Dont treat ....the list can go on...
Really dont know where I stand on this subject...I smoke...and unhappily continue to pay a fortune for my vice.
I dont really drink...but I am guessing peeps that do will...moan about price increases...but continue to drink...
Fed up with "the nanny state"...
I agree with you 100% - the list of exclusions would be endless...
don't treat premature babies under 3lb birth weight;
don't treat any one over three score years and then...they've had a good innings;
don't treat single women coming in for the second child;
don't treat anyone who's been hit with the ugly stick...you could go on forever!!!
DO allow adults to make their own mind up, STOP nannying us...life is meant to involve some risks and vices...who wants to live to be a hundred on cabbage, fresh air, Sanatogen (thimble full) and 12 hours sleep a night?!! "
Agreed life would be so much better if we had more of a choice. If people want help then let them ask for it and then help should be given not rammed down your throat when you don't want it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It is only when you work in the NHS that you see the impact of these things and the lives of the people and what it does. For example,there nothing worse than seeing a 22 yr old woman needing a liver transplant because of alcohol. Why should she get it rather than someone who's illness is not related to alcohol."
We live in a country that provides free health care for all and we shouldn't be setting conditions for that treatment. It is not for Doctors to decide who should live and who should die. Their job is to treat the sick and let the politicans worry about the social causes of it.
As for OP: I also predicted that once the anti-smoking brigade had got their way that the anti-drinking puritans would want their turn too.
Some people just can't help interfering in other people's lives, which is probably a reflection on just how drab their own little worlds are. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I work for the NHS and the majority of problems that I see come from obesity not from alcohol,leading to heart disease,diabetes,stroke,immobilty,high blood pressure,sleep apnoea,oh the list goes on and on
Youngish people unable to even wash and dress themselves? needing carers for their basic hygiene needs? unable to walk as their knees and hips are under so much strain? Now I think thats an issue that really needs addressing
sorry I sort of went off on a tangent there 
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By (user no longer on site)
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"When the smoking ban was being talked about (cause all us adults that smoke should be shot for our disgusting habit)
I predicted (in our local pub)that when the do-gooders had finished and broken us
Then they would start on alcohol
And bugger me (yes please lol )
They have started on it
On the news this morning the group NICE
(why the hell they are called that when they are not)
Want minimum prices on alcohol and a ban on advertising
What exactly do these people want us to do?
Give up all things that are bad for us so we can live longer??
Why the hell do some people think that they have the right to tell me how i should live just because their life is boring
I drink and smoke but not excessively and cannot for the life of me see why i and many more should suffer just because a minority cant handle life's vices
Deal with them and leave the rest of us alone xx "
Here! Here! well said. Billy |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Sure some folks think we would all be better off as nuns and bloody monks
Well without sounding selfish it's my life
And I will do with it what I wish and would not dream of telling anyone how to live theirs xx  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't drink....... yes a Glaswegian who doesn't touch the stuff... nor do I smoke.
I see kids as young as 9yrs old drinking in the street.
When your large supermarkets are selling a 4 pack of Stella cheaper than a 4 pack of Volvic, something is not working.
I am with the live and let live brigade, if you wish to eat, drink smoke yourself into oblivion then fine that should be your choice, but when it costs the tax payers to treat you then a line has to be drawn somewhere.
FREE HEALTH service........where. The Taxpayers pay for it or am I in the wrong UK
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By *ruitWoman
over a year ago
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I have read some of this thread and agree with some of what has been said.
I think that with smoking an issue that I dislike but understand people are addicted to it, as thats what it is, an addiction. But the families of those who smoke dont necessarily choose to smoke but if the smoker smokes in the house then the other people in the family are also breathing in the smoke tho not actually putting it to their own mouths. The person smoking in the house/car/restaurant(as it used to be) are effecting other peoples lungs etc by breathing in their smoke.
Drinking can also be an addiction. I am well aware that I can have a couple of malibus and then not be addicted to it that I need a couple more later in the day or before bed or first thing in the morning as smokers do. (I have never date a man who smokes-personal choice). I drink then can easily not have to have another one. I can go for weeks without a drink and not be clawing the walls as a smoker can do when giving up.
So I do see smoking and drinking very different is smoking is choice and not choice to those around the person but by standing next to someone for hours who drinks I dont think it damamges my liover at all.
Its choice.
But yes you can go on endless to rediculous amounts.
Drugs I know zero about but am aware it is also an addiction. Then anorexia or bullemia is also a medical illness and is addiction again. But those around the anorexic person are not gonna end up making themselves sick or not eating just because they are standing next to the person who is.
So apologies to those who choose to smoke as its your choice but to me in my opinion and my opinion alone smoking is a different degree that does effect others medically.
Yes those people around anyone with an addiction are effected but with smoking it is medically effecting others.
If you have a preggie lady that smokes,drinks,does drugs.... then its medically effecting the baby of course.
Yes if you have gathered I dislike smoking but appreciate others like it. Just wanted to point out I choose to not smoke and dont want others smoking in a restaurant(before bans came in) meant I had to breathe it in too.
Choice. Apologies to anyone not liking what I have put. Not meaning to offend anyone but its choice xx |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I don't drink....... yes a Glaswegian who doesn't touch the stuff... nor do I smoke.
I see kids as young as 9yrs old drinking in the street.
When your large supermarkets are selling a 4 pack of Stella cheaper than a 4 pack of Volvic, something is not working.
I am with the live and let live brigade, if you wish to eat, drink smoke yourself into oblivion then fine that should be your choice, but when it costs the tax payers to treat you then a line has to be drawn somewhere.
FREE HEALTH service........where. The Taxpayers pay for it or am I in the wrong UK
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Totally agree but what about the ones who dont do things to excess???
Obtw i dont bungee jump,rally car,drive fast,or go clay pigeon shooting either
I smokei drink and i pay my taxes xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't drink....... yes a Glaswegian who doesn't touch the stuff... nor do I smoke.
I see kids as young as 9yrs old drinking in the street.
When your large supermarkets are selling a 4 pack of Stella cheaper than a 4 pack of Volvic, something is not working.
I am with the live and let live brigade, if you wish to eat, drink smoke yourself into oblivion then fine that should be your choice, but when it costs the tax payers to treat you then a line has to be drawn somewhere.
FREE HEALTH service........where. The Taxpayers pay for it or am I in the wrong UK
Totally agree but what about the ones who dont do things to excess???
Obtw i dont bungee jump,rally car,drive fast,or go clay pigeon shooting either
I smokei drink and i pay my taxes xx"
Here here!! 100% i totally agree with that!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I have read some of this thread and agree with some of what has been said.
I think that with smoking an issue that I dislike but understand people are addicted to it, as thats what it is, an addiction. But the families of those who smoke dont necessarily choose to smoke but if the smoker smokes in the house then the other people in the family are also breathing in the smoke tho not actually putting it to their own mouths. The person smoking in the house/car/restaurant(as it used to be) are effecting other peoples lungs etc by breathing in their smoke.
Drinking can also be an addiction. I am well aware that I can have a couple of malibus and then not be addicted to it that I need a couple more later in the day or before bed or first thing in the morning as smokers do. (I have never date a man who smokes-personal choice). I drink then can easily not have to have another one. I can go for weeks without a drink and not be clawing the walls as a smoker can do when giving up.
So I do see smoking and drinking very different is smoking is choice and not choice to those around the person but by standing next to someone for hours who drinks I dont think it damamges my liover at all.
Its choice.
But yes you can go on endless to rediculous amounts.
Drugs I know zero about but am aware it is also an addiction. Then anorexia or bullemia is also a medical illness and is addiction again. But those around the anorexic person are not gonna end up making themselves sick or not eating just because they are standing next to the person who is.
So apologies to those who choose to smoke as its your choice but to me in my opinion and my opinion alone smoking is a different degree that does effect others medically.
Yes those people around anyone with an addiction are effected but with smoking it is medically effecting others.
If you have a preggie lady that smokes,drinks,does drugs.... then its medically effecting the baby of course.
Yes if you have gathered I dislike smoking but appreciate others like it. Just wanted to point out I choose to not smoke and dont want others smoking in a restaurant(before bans came in) meant I had to breathe it in too.
Choice. Apologies to anyone not liking what I have put. Not meaning to offend anyone but its choice xx "
I agree with the smoking around people who dont its wrong
However you give the impression that people who drink only have an effect on themselves
Have you seen a and e on a friday night??
Also if i have 20 fags i am very unlikely to want ta start a fight or knock the wife about unlike some who do that on 20 pints xx |
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"I don't drink....... yes a Glaswegian who doesn't touch the stuff... nor do I smoke.
I see kids as young as 9yrs old drinking in the street.
When your large supermarkets are selling a 4 pack of Stella cheaper than a 4 pack of Volvic, something is not working.
I am with the live and let live brigade, if you wish to eat, drink smoke yourself into oblivion then fine that should be your choice, but when it costs the tax payers to treat you then a line has to be drawn somewhere.
FREE HEALTH service........where. The Taxpayers pay for it or am I in the wrong UK
Totally agree but what about the ones who dont do things to excess???
Obtw i dont bungee jump,rally car,drive fast,or go clay pigeon shooting either
I smokei drink and i pay my taxes xx"
nothing wrong with bungee jumping....I pay my taxes too so If I wanna go splat when the bungee rope snaps I expect a new body thanks  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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And I will do with it what I wish and would not dream of telling anyone how to live theirs xx
HERE HERE, totally agree with you, knew it wouldnt end with smokers, whats next after alcohol. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I smoke drink and pay the heavy taxes added onto those. The government would be rooked if we all gave up! "
pssst...giggles.. you forgot tax on sex ! that would be a new one helen xx |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I smoke drink and pay the heavy taxes added onto those. The government would be rooked if we all gave up!
pssst...giggles.. you forgot tax on sex ! that would be a new one helen xx"
Well actually the last government was about to introduce a licence on swingers and sex clubs of between £15000 and £50000 a year i for one am hoping its not been implemented xx  |
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Almost 80% of the cost of a packet of cigarettes goes to the government.
£9bn is raised on smoking and almost £9bn raised on drinking in taxes.
The NHS spends about £2.25 bn in total on alcohol related illness, A&E and ambulances through alcohol related incidents. |
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"i hate the nanny state ,people should be allowed to make choices about there body as long as it doesnt effect anyone else .
I thought they were doing this to target and deter the youth market,who have been systematically targetted by ad agencies that drinking is having a good time.
Its interesting that in France we were always told french kids have a responsible attitude to drinking,since the ad men got in over there with alcopops the binge drinking is off the scale and the French now face the same problems.
Target the kids ...but let adults decide for themselves..and give the pubs a chance to survive.
Why target any group if you hate the nanny state! Looks like you like double standards "
Ohhhh i see so you say ... dont protect the kids from excess drinking brought on by slick advertising policies and cheap booze packaged and designed to appeal to there age group, just let em go for it....
Great world you would have us living in,why not let em get hooked on smack while you are at it.
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"i hate the nanny state ,people should be allowed to make choices about there body as long as it doesnt effect anyone else .
I thought they were doing this to target and deter the youth market,who have been systematically targetted by ad agencies that drinking is having a good time.
Its interesting that in France we were always told french kids have a responsible attitude to drinking,since the ad men got in over there with alcopops the binge drinking is off the scale and the French now face the same problems.
Target the kids ...but let adults decide for themselves..and give the pubs a chance to survive.
Why target any group if you hate the nanny state! Looks like you like double standards
Ohhhh i see so you say ... dont protect the kids from excess drinking brought on by slick advertising policies and cheap booze packaged and designed to appeal to there age group, just let em go for it....
Great world you would have us living in,why not let em get hooked on smack while you are at it.
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Talk about a dramatist! No mention of drugs by me, no mention of kids by me. I mentioned why target any group and pointed out double standards. Don’t use sudo B/S to try and put words into my mouth thank you. |
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"i hate the nanny state ,people should be allowed to make choices about there body as long as it doesnt effect anyone else .
I thought they were doing this to target and deter the youth market,who have been systematically targetted by ad agencies that drinking is having a good time.
Its interesting that in France we were always told french kids have a responsible attitude to drinking,since the ad men got in over there with alcopops the binge drinking is off the scale and the French now face the same problems.
Target the kids ...but let adults decide for themselves..and give the pubs a chance to survive.
Why target any group if you hate the nanny state! Looks like you like double standards
Ohhhh i see so you say ... dont protect the kids from excess drinking brought on by slick advertising policies and cheap booze packaged and designed to appeal to there age group, just let em go for it....
Great world you would have us living in,why not let em get hooked on smack while you are at it.
Talk about a dramatist! No mention of drugs by me, no mention of kids by me. I mentioned why target any group and pointed out double standards. Don’t use sudo B/S to try and put words into my mouth thank you."
well hang on if you look at my post i only advocated protecting children,adults its up to them ...you then say
....."Why target any group if you hate the nanny state! Looks like you like double standards ..."
no drama here or pseudo b/s ,just querying if you advocate not protecting kids from slick advertising ? |
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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago
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lets ban manufacture's of hoddies from making them and baseball caps, in fact anything that some do gooder see's as being against the normal, pull down the prison's too seeing how it's the last place they seem to send criminal's anyway |
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"lets ban manufacture's of hoddies from making them and baseball caps, in fact anything that some do gooder see's as being against the normal, pull down the prison's too seeing how it's the last place they seem to send criminal's anyway "
lmao ,now thats the sort of thinking that could get you elected ........ |
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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago
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"lets ban manufacture's of hoddies from making them and baseball caps, in fact anything that some do gooder see's as being against the normal, pull down the prison's too seeing how it's the last place they seem to send criminal's anyway
lmao ,now thats the sort of thinking that could get you elected ........"
sorry but i don't have a political stand point just some outrageous view's on how we could improve society in general |
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"i hate the nanny state ,people should be allowed to make choices about there body as long as it doesnt effect anyone else .
I thought they were doing this to target and deter the youth market,who have been systematically targetted by ad agencies that drinking is having a good time.
Its interesting that in France we were always told french kids have a responsible attitude to drinking,since the ad men got in over there with alcopops the binge drinking is off the scale and the French now face the same problems.
Target the kids ...but let adults decide for themselves..and give the pubs a chance to survive.
Why target any group if you hate the nanny state! Looks like you like double standards
Ohhhh i see so you say ... dont protect the kids from excess drinking brought on by slick advertising policies and cheap booze packaged and designed to appeal to there age group, just let em go for it....
Great world you would have us living in,why not let em get hooked on smack while you are at it.
Talk about a dramatist! No mention of drugs by me, no mention of kids by me. I mentioned why target any group and pointed out double standards. Don’t use sudo B/S to try and put words into my mouth thank you.
well hang on if you look at my post i only advocated protecting children,adults its up to them ...you then say
....."Why target any group if you hate the nanny state! Looks like you like double standards ..."
no drama here or pseudo b/s ,just querying if you advocate not protecting kids from slick advertising ?"
I have Yet to see adverts promoting drugs to kids or do you watch magic tv. Also adverts for alcohol are strictly regulated. Show me one that targets kids! |
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"i hate the nanny state ,people should be allowed to make choices about there body as long as it doesnt effect anyone else .
I thought they were doing this to target and deter the youth market,who have been systematically targetted by ad agencies that drinking is having a good time.
Its interesting that in France we were always told french kids have a responsible attitude to drinking,since the ad men got in over there with alcopops the binge drinking is off the scale and the French now face the same problems.
Target the kids ...but let adults decide for themselves..and give the pubs a chance to survive.
Why target any group if you hate the nanny state! Looks like you like double standards
Ohhhh i see so you say ... dont protect the kids from excess drinking brought on by slick advertising policies and cheap booze packaged and designed to appeal to there age group, just let em go for it....
Great world you would have us living in,why not let em get hooked on smack while you are at it.
Talk about a dramatist! No mention of drugs by me, no mention of kids by me. I mentioned why target any group and pointed out double standards. Don’t use sudo B/S to try and put words into my mouth thank you.
well hang on if you look at my post i only advocated protecting children,adults its up to them ...you then say
....."Why target any group if you hate the nanny state! Looks like you like double standards ..."
no drama here or pseudo b/s ,just querying if you advocate not protecting kids from slick advertising ?
I have Yet to see adverts promoting drugs to kids or do you watch magic tv. Also adverts for alcohol are strictly regulated. Show me one that targets kids!"
Well its not just advertising its marketing full stop ,Take bacardi who are sponsoring many of the festivals this year where underage drinkers will be present or go take a look at how many specials there are on Alcopops at big supermarkets compared to other drinks never mind "healthier alternatives".
In fact go take a look at their website where any kid who wants to see who's on at a gig will sidestep the rudimentary are you old enough front page and hit the sexy imagery and cool lifestyle footage.Ask why some companies changed the colour of the drinks after market researching a youth market.
The BMA warns...
Children as young as 11 years old who are so d*unk that they have to be kept in hospital overnight are now a common sight on paediatric wards.
Delegates to the British Medical Association annual meeting condemned alcopops and demanded that it be made illegal to market alcopops at children. They also called for the alcohol content to be reduced.
Dr Robin Davies, a paediatrician in Gwyneth, said that the "average"general hospital at which he worked now saw "one or two children a week absolutely comatose", to the point where they needed to be put on a drip overnight to rehydrate them. "This is only the tip of the iceberg. This is a very, very widespread problem in every paediatric unit in the country," he said. "In a 30-bed unit you will get a child in every weekend who is absolutely blotto."
"When you get the blood alcohol level results back it's enough to make your hair stand on end," Dr Davies told the meeting in Edinburgh. "What I am objecting to is the deliberate targeting of children by the drinks companies. There is no doubt that they are trying to target children".
"Alcopops are sweet; they are flavoured with lemonade, cherry and milk, all childish tastes. No one would seriously target adults with tastes like these," he said. He added that doctors were worried about the long-term effects of alcohol on children and about how alcoholic binges affected young bodies, because there had been little research.
There were also concerns that children apparently did not suffer hangovers. Hangovers, Dr Davies said, were a very effective way of deterring adults from drinking too much too often.
Dr Tim Webb, a GP from Clwyd, attacked the cynical attitude of the drinks industry. "The tobacco and alcohol barons have worked out that if you get them young and get them addicted you've got them for years to come."
Dr Sandy Macara, chairman of the BMA, told the meeting that the association was involved with the government investigation of alcopops and the way they were sold. "The breathtaking hypocrisy of the industry in pretending that they are not targeting our young people is absolutely incredible."
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A true story.
A respectable 43 yr old mother to 15 year old daughter checking in at an all inclusive resort.
"Bloody hell, why did you tell them you were 15. If you'd said 18 you'd have got an adult wrist band and could have got a voddie whenever you wanted one".
It's not just clever marketing.
As someone said at the weekend, society has stolen childhood from the children.
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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A true story.
A respectable 43 yr old mother to 15 year old daughter checking in at an all inclusive resort.
"Bloody hell, why did you tell them you were 15. If you'd said 18 you'd have got an adult wrist band and could have got a voddie whenever you wanted one".
It's not just clever marketing.
As someone said at the weekend, society has stolen childhood from the children.
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Its not new kids in Dafor drink, smoke and kill and no advertising there.
Lets face it as a 16 yr old i could go into a pub or offie and buy alcohol many tears ago. Now they ask for id in both.
There are far too many dual standards in life these days and uninformed using google to preach what they manipulate it to.
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By *ruitWoman
over a year ago
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swingmates, I agree that smoking isnt gonna want you to pick a fight with everyone as people who drink to excess often do. My point was that when a person drinks to excess they kill of their livers but not those living with the person as smoking does. It may kill them in other ways if the person d*unk becomes violent.
I think smokers often forget that we all have a right to clean air, if they want to polute the air they have thats fine but I dont want to be forced into it to.
Thos that smoke choose to and are generally aware of the consequences. Those that drink do the same or any other medical addiction as many have been mentioned about.
Kis want to smoke as they think its cool and same for drinking and as i dont know much about drugs I will pass on that one.
I like people to smell nice and those smelling of ciggarettes or heavily of alcohol isnt very attractive to me but just my opinion.
There are times when I am slightly piddled so cant complain lol |
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im actually glad of the non-smoking ban.
never did enjoy going home with holes in my clothes from some irresponsible person waving their fags in the air and waking up with the stench of nicotine in my hair and on my clothes.
its not like you cant smoke, its just that its requested you're all together in an outside area. looks like quite a good social network thing to me too! |
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By *empnbunkCouple
over a year ago
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the nhs couldnt survive without smokers n drinkers its the enormous taxes placed on them that pays for our nhs , there is nothing else taxable enuff to make up the difference hence why cigarettes havent been banned altogether |
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"the nhs couldnt survive without smokers n drinkers its the enormous taxes placed on them that pays for our nhs , there is nothing else taxable enuff to make up the difference hence why cigarettes havent been banned altogether "
i may be totally ignorant here but is it clearly indicated by the treasury that the tax raised from the sale of alcohol and tobacco is wholly used and directly linked to the funding of the NHS??? When the NHS was created in 1948 i wouldnt have imagined that there was enough tax raised from alcohol and tobacco sales that could fund such an instituition |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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We are glad the smoking ban is in place because we love to go out and now don't have to have rooms fumegated the next morning from the clothes we took off! It also makes a difference to our health, as we now don't wake up with sore throats any more and I don't feel chesty for the next few days!
Drinking is different as someone said earlier. Standing next to a drinker doesn't give me any drinking related disease, although I accept that he could turn round and punch/kick/stab me. (well, I am an annoying fucker!)
But I really don't see what all the problem is. This is N.I.C.E! it is their job to make this kind of recommendation to the Government, but it won't be implemented in their form. Problem is, everyone blames the government for things like this...
Lets take a look at what is happening in the drinks market. Threshers, the last of the large chains, went out of business a while ago. Hung out to dry by the big supermarkets. Tesco in particular have agressively priced drink to make this happen and now they are gone?
Tesco announced a couple of weeks ago that it agrees with the measures similar to what N.I.C.E have proposed! They now want to raise the price because supermarkets are all that is left! So shame on all you who buy your drink from supermarkets
But as someone who hardly drinks and doesn't smoke, the drink thing wouldn't affect me. The smoking thing has in a positive way. On balance... |
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