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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
and the other half of the thread that was locked....
"what or who do you consider to be a hero?"
for example... would you call a soldier/policeman/fireman/nurses heroes just for doing there everyday jobs? or does someone need to do something "out of the ordinary" to be considered?
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over a year ago
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Putting yourself in harms way? Hero.
Saving lives? Hero
Keeping the streets safe? Hero
Doing a job mere mortals can't do? Hero.
I have nothing further to add. |
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My lovely dad was a hero. A fireman for over thirty years. I wouldn't say he was a hero just because of his job, but every once in a while he really did risk his own life to rescue other people and twice received commendations for acting above and beyond the call of duty.
Personally I don't think someone who's in the armed forces/police/fire brigade/doctors/nurses/mountain rescue/lifeboat service ..etc..etc..should be called heros purely because they have chosen to do a dangerous or demanding job. Yes they deserve respect for the job they do as does everyone who works in services which underpin the quality of life for all(binmen, streetsweepers, crematorium staff...just too many to list). In my opinion heroism is something which is above and beyond the call of duty. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"and the other half of the thread that was locked....
"what or who do you consider to be a hero?"
for example... would you call a soldier/policeman/fireman/nurses heroes just for doing there everyday jobs? or does someone need to do something "out of the ordinary" to be considered?
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I think doing something out of the ordinary would make a hero....but I admire anyone doing a job in the army right now if they are in a place many come back from in boxes....the same as I admire those in the fire service who save lifes or put their own lives in danger while doing their job. |
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We have many close friends and several family members who are currently serving in Helmand Province or have served there in recent years....
They do not see themselves as heroes, however there are many true heroes amongst them.
Men who throw themselves on live grenades or rush back under heavy fire to the scene of an IED to carry out wounded or dead comrades, they do this above the call of duty and for me they are the real heroes. |
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over a year ago
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I too believe that a hero is someone that goes above and beyond the call of duty in any situation
It could be someone that touches one person or a 1000 people,heros come in many guises
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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A hero can be anyone from any walk of life who performs a selfless act of gallantry or self sacrifice. I see a hero is someone who puts others well being in a certain situation before there own. |
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"and the other half of the thread that was locked....
"what or who do you consider to be a hero?"
for example... would you call a soldier/policeman/fireman/nurses heroes just for doing there everyday jobs? or does someone need to do something "out of the ordinary" to be considered?
.............. away ya go!!!!!
I think doing something out of the ordinary would make a hero....but I admire anyone doing a job in the army right now if they are in a place many come back from in boxes....the same as I admire those in the fire service who save lifes or put their own lives in danger while doing their job."
Are they just dam good at their job, or are they actually hero's, after all, everyone knows the risks when taking on a particular role, a hero to me are the people that work endless unpaid hours with a community making it better, or those volunteers going the extra mile just to make life easier for a few, all done without expecting financial gain / recognition etc., etc., |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"We have many close friends and several family members who are currently serving in Helmand Province or have served there in recent years....
They do not see themselves as heroes, however there are many true heroes amongst them.
Men who throw themselves on live grenades or rush back under heavy fire to the scene of an IED to carry out wounded or dead comrades, they do this above the call of duty and for me they are the real heroes."
You are right there and one of the stories that always gets me when I think about it was the one where one of the soldiers had been left behind while underfire....read it for yourself. I bet not a lot of people will have a dry eye after reading it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jan/21/afghanistan.world |
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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"We have many close friends and several family members who are currently serving in Helmand Province or have served there in recent years....
They do not see themselves as heroes, however there are many true heroes amongst them.
Men who throw themselves on live grenades or rush back under heavy fire to the scene of an IED to carry out wounded or dead comrades, they do this above the call of duty and for me they are the real heroes.
You are right there and one of the stories that always gets me when I think about it was the one where one of the soldiers had been left behind while underfire....read it for yourself. I bet not a lot of people will have a dry eye after reading it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jan/21/afghanistan.world"
Its not good reading and its not an isolated case if truth be told. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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No I know bad.......so I think I am going to change my mind now....yes, I would say anyone out there, looking out for their comrades , because they would no doubt all do all they can to help each other......and dodging whatever is thrown at them are heroes in my eyes. |
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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"No I know bad.......so I think I am going to change my mind now....yes, I would say anyone out there, looking out for their comrades , because they would no doubt all do all they can to help each other......and dodging whatever is thrown at them are heroes in my eyes."
Once you have been in 6 months or more you feel that the other men are part of an extended family. The responsibility towards each other can carry on for decades if you have seen active service together. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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People who risk (and sometimes lose) their lives for others.
Sugeons who perform miracles in the operating theatre to save lives
People who put their needs above others, for the good of others
People who I don't class as heros who are often, wrongly in my eyes, classed as heros ............
Sportsmen / women - in particular footballers
There is nothing heroic about what they do - nothing whatsoever |
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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Yep there are lots of unsung hero's about. We often forget about volunteers who give up their time to go work giving aid in troubled countries. Often putting them self at risk to ensure underprivileged people have a chance in life. |
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Just wondering - are heros not often defined as heroes retrospectively, I mean AFTER a crisis, a dangerous event?
So what constitutes a hero is perhaps not so much about their job, role etc but about their brave behaviour ina certain situation where they put others before their own safety?
Just a thought. |
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"People who risk (and sometimes lose) their lives for others.
Sugeons who perform miracles in the operating theatre to save lives
People who put their needs above others, for the good of others
People who I don't class as heros who are often, wrongly in my eyes, classed as heros ............
Sportsmen / women - in particular footballers
There is nothing heroic about what they do - nothing whatsoever"
I blame the pathetic British tabloids for pumping up these sportsmen/women into 'Hero' status. |
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"Oh don't get me started Redhot on the sportsmen that people put on a pedestal just because they can kick a ball or run a mile.....I would be here all night !!"
 Me too |
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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"Funnily enough you get a great deal of bomb disposal ex servicemen going out to places like Angola working for charities after they have left the army.
They save countless lives by doing this."
Yep i know a few who have. I just think the govt should pay wages for people to do this. After all i am sure they taxed the arms manufacturers in the first place  |
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"nelson mandela.stood by his principles,and beliefs."
Sorry but can't agree on Mandela being classed as a hero, terrorist turned peacemaker yes....but to me heroes don't plan cowardly terrorist attacks on civilians....even if they do turn their back on these habits later in life. |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"nelson mandela.stood by his principles,and beliefs.
Sorry but can't agree on Mandela being classed as a hero, terrorist turned peacemaker yes....but to me heroes don't plan cowardly terrorist attacks on civilians....even if they do turn their back on these habits later in life."
well jane, that breaks my heart. |
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
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funny enough there is a saying that one mans "terrorist" is another mans "freedom fighter"...... so I can see where the likes of "nelson mandela" or "Che Guevara" or even "Evita Peron" would be polarising to many........
then we have the Likes of Martin Luther King, and Gandhi, who were loved by loads, but you also have to remember dispised by many at the time..... |
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Unlike Mandela Martin Luther King promoted peaceful opposition, he would have nothing to do with violence by his followers....unlike Mandela who was the leader of the armed wing of the ANC (Umkhonto we Sizwe) or MK. |
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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"funny enough there is a saying that one mans "terrorist" is another mans "freedom fighter"...... so I can see where the likes of "nelson mandela" or "Che Guevara" or even "Evita Peron" would be polarising to many........
then we have the Likes of Martin Luther King, and Gandhi, who were loved by loads, but you also have to remember dispised by many at the time..... "
Yep and unfortunately there isn't an army that hasn't inflicted collateral damage, well excluding the salvation army.
The thing with Nelson was he didn't try to reap vengeance once in power and he had some reason after his treatment in prison. |
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"funny enough there is a saying that one mans "terrorist" is another mans "freedom fighter"...... so I can see where the likes of "nelson mandela" or "Che Guevara" or even "Evita Peron" would be polarising to many........
then we have the Likes of Martin Luther King, and Gandhi, who were loved by loads, but you also have to remember dispised by many at the time.....
Yep and unfortunately there isn't an army that hasn't inflicted collateral damage, well excluding the salvation army.
The thing with Nelson was he didn't try to reap vengeance once in power and he had some reason after his treatment in prison."
Mandela was only ever captured in the first place because the United States CIA tracked him down and confirmed his hideaway to the South African Intelligence Agency, they did so because Mandela and his sidekicks were not only launching terrorist attacks in South Africa but also in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) and Angola. During their activities in Rhodesia and Angola dozens were killed.
Any treatment Mandela received in prison would be as a direct result of his co leadership of an armed terrorist group trained and supplied by Russian and Cuban armed forces.
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"Unlike Mandela Martin Luther King promoted peaceful opposition, he would have nothing to do with violence by his followers....unlike Mandela who was the leader of the armed wing of the ANC (Umkhonto we Sizwe) or MK."
how did the people in power,in south africa.attain,and retain,that position. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Father Christmas... 
Well he's a brave fekker slipping down them chimney's
And he is up on them roofs in the dark...  "
He's no hero - he knocked my fecking aerial dow  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Father Christmas...
Well he's a brave fekker slipping down them chimney's
And he is up on them roofs in the dark...
Naa that bits piss easy with the right footwear "
But what if the slate is loose and he falls on his sack... |
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"Unlike Mandela Martin Luther King promoted peaceful opposition, he would have nothing to do with violence by his followers....unlike Mandela who was the leader of the armed wing of the ANC (Umkhonto we Sizwe) or MK.
how did the people in power,in south africa.attain,and retain,that position."
By building a Nation over a period of Two hundred years, it has taken the ANC less than Two decades to tear that building apart..... |
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We,ve been reading the Flashman books of late.
There's a line in one of them where he states that a heroic act is half lunacy,half bravery and we think that about sums it up.
Of course there is heroism by force of circumstance,as in being in the wrong place at the right/wrong time with nowhere else to go,backs to the wall type of thing.
Rorke's Drift was a prime example of that.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We,ve been reading the Flashman books of late.
There's a line in one of them where he states that a heroic act is half lunacy,half bravery and we think that about sums it up.
Of course there is heroism by force of circumstance,as in being in the wrong place at the right/wrong time with nowhere else to go,backs to the wall type of thing.
Rorke's Drift was a prime example of that.
XXXX"
Charge of the light brigade was a great film... |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"Unlike Mandela Martin Luther King promoted peaceful opposition, he would have nothing to do with violence by his followers....unlike Mandela who was the leader of the armed wing of the ANC (Umkhonto we Sizwe) or MK.
how did the people in power,in south africa.attain,and retain,that position.
By building a Nation over a period of Two hundred years, it has taken the ANC less than Two decades to tear that building apart....."
it didnt need building.nobody asked them in.it was won through violence.you seem to think,violence is ok for some,but not for others.that cant be right. |
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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"We,ve been reading the Flashman books of late.
There's a line in one of them where he states that a heroic act is half lunacy,half bravery and we think that about sums it up.
Of course there is heroism by force of circumstance,as in being in the wrong place at the right/wrong time with nowhere else to go,backs to the wall type of thing.
Rorke's Drift was a prime example of that.
XXXX
Charge of the light brigade was a great film... "
Hero's maybe? The men who ordered it though more like criminals in my book  |
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"We,ve been reading the Flashman books of late.
There's a line in one of them where he states that a heroic act is half lunacy,half bravery and we think that about sums it up.
Of course there is heroism by force of circumstance,as in being in the wrong place at the right/wrong time with nowhere else to go,backs to the wall type of thing.
Rorke's Drift was a prime example of that.
XXXX
Charge of the light brigade was a great film...
Hero's maybe? The men who ordered it though more like criminals in my book "
Love the bit when they asked if they should go again... |
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The wealth of South Africa, the infrastructure of South Africa, the commerce of South Africa, the Diamond mines of South Africa, the Gold Mines of South Africa.......Built up over 200 years of hard work, that was what the ANC saw as their prize....not the rights of tribes to go back living as they did pre colonisation. It wasn't the right to live in tribal lands in traditional mud and straw houses....it was the desire to boot out the White minority and share out the wealth of the nation, not to the Black majority but to the small band of 'elitists' amongst that Black majority.
You see the ANC were not fighting to move the nation back in history, they wanted to benefit from the investment and hard work of others by snatching it away at gunpoint.
In the 50's and 60's the ANC were not seeking peaceful intergration and fair share of the wealth of the nation, they were not in the least bit interested in a nation of equals.....it wasn't until Mandela was arrested, tried and imprisoned that the ANC moved on over the space of a decade and a half, then they realised that the world would not allow an armed overthrow of the South African government so they took the road to peace and reconciliation. |
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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"We,ve been reading the Flashman books of late.
There's a line in one of them where he states that a heroic act is half lunacy,half bravery and we think that about sums it up.
Of course there is heroism by force of circumstance,as in being in the wrong place at the right/wrong time with nowhere else to go,backs to the wall type of thing.
Rorke's Drift was a prime example of that.
XXXX
Charge of the light brigade was a great film...
Hero's maybe? The men who ordered it though more like criminals in my book
Love the bit when they asked if they should go again... "
Brave lads although you wonder if they should have questioned their orders |
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"We,ve been reading the Flashman books of late.
There's a line in one of them where he states that a heroic act is half lunacy,half bravery and we think that about sums it up.
Of course there is heroism by force of circumstance,as in being in the wrong place at the right/wrong time with nowhere else to go,backs to the wall type of thing.
Rorke's Drift was a prime example of that.
XXXX
Charge of the light brigade was a great film...
Hero's maybe? The men who ordered it though more like criminals in my book
Love the bit when they asked if they should go again...
Brave lads although you wonder if they should have questioned their orders "
Would you have...?... |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"The wealth of South Africa, the infrastructure of South Africa, the commerce of South Africa, the Diamond mines of South Africa, the Gold Mines of South Africa.......Built up over 200 years of hard work, that was what the ANC saw as their prize....not the rights of tribes to go back living as they did pre colonisation. It wasn't the right to live in tribal lands in traditional mud and straw houses....it was the desire to boot out the White minority and share out the wealth of the nation, not to the Black majority but to the small band of 'elitists' amongst that Black majority.
You see the ANC were not fighting to move the nation back in history, they wanted to benefit from the investment and hard work of others by snatching it away at gunpoint.
In the 50's and 60's the ANC were not seeking peaceful intergration and fair share of the wealth of the nation, they were not in the least bit interested in a nation of equals.....it wasn't until Mandela was arrested, tried and imprisoned that the ANC moved on over the space of a decade and a half, then they realised that the world would not allow an armed overthrow of the South African government so they took the road to peace and reconciliation."
they should not have had to snatch it back.it was already thiers.the diamonds,and gold,was thiers, to do with as they wished.the country was built on what should have been thiers.stealing a nations wealth,denying them any rights in thier own country. now your saying,they were doing them a favour.get real. |
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"The wealth of South Africa, the infrastructure of South Africa, the commerce of South Africa, the Diamond mines of South Africa, the Gold Mines of South Africa.......Built up over 200 years of hard work, that was what the ANC saw as their prize....not the rights of tribes to go back living as they did pre colonisation. It wasn't the right to live in tribal lands in traditional mud and straw houses....it was the desire to boot out the White minority and share out the wealth of the nation, not to the Black majority but to the small band of 'elitists' amongst that Black majority.
You see the ANC were not fighting to move the nation back in history, they wanted to benefit from the investment and hard work of others by snatching it away at gunpoint.
In the 50's and 60's the ANC were not seeking peaceful intergration and fair share of the wealth of the nation, they were not in the least bit interested in a nation of equals.....it wasn't until Mandela was arrested, tried and imprisoned that the ANC moved on over the space of a decade and a half, then they realised that the world would not allow an armed overthrow of the South African government so they took the road to peace and reconciliation.
they should not have had to snatch it back.it was already thiers.the diamonds,and gold,was thiers, to do with as they wished.the country was built on what should have been thiers.stealing a nations wealth,denying them any rights in thier own country. now your saying,they were doing them a favour.get real."
On that basis North America and all it's wealth is the sole property and right of the North American Indians....
Who are original peoples of the British Isles?, should we track them down and have the Queen give them all her jewels and property?
The gold and diamonds of South Africa would still be in the ground and the indiginous population would still be hunting antelope....modern South Africa was built by the Afrikanas/Dutch/Germans/British, when the ANC took control did they give the wealth of tha nation back to the Zulus and other tribes?, no they carved it up between the hierarchy of the ANC.
Take a look at Zimbabwe, built up over the years into Africas bread basket, the biggest exporter of foodstuffs in Africa, it fed most of the rest of Africa for decades.....now it has been taken back by the indiginous population and they can't even feed their own population.
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Whilst I admire those in the armed forces I don't necessarily class them as heros for doing a job, however many have performed heroic acts, giving their lives in the process.
To me a hero is the man who rescued people when the Zeebruger sank, an ordinary Joe; the teacher who stood in front of her students when an armed gun man broke into her school, the people who ran to help the wounded during the London bombings; the tourist who risked his life grabbing a child from the tracks after he fell in front of a London underground train, the pilot who landed his plane on the Potomac and walked the length of the plane to ensure all his passengers were off.
Ordinary people doing extraordinary things: heros in my book.
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"Whilst I admire those in the armed forces I don't necessarily class them as heros for doing a job, however many have performed heroic acts, giving their lives in the process.
To me a hero is the man who rescued people when the Zeebruger sank, an ordinary Joe; the teacher who stood in front of her students when an armed gun man broke into her school, the people who ran to help the wounded during the London bombings; the tourist who risked his life grabbing a child from the tracks after he fell in front of a London underground train, the pilot who landed his plane on the Potomac and walked the length of the plane to ensure all his passengers were off.
Ordinary people doing extraordinary things: heros in my book.
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I guess that was kind of what I meant earlier - the spontaneous action of somebody who is afraid but puts his fear to one side and takes danger on the chin for the benefit of others, in teh face of an uncertain outcome. |
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my dad is my hero. not my dad by birthright, but an incredible man who has been through much, seen far to much and has been the absolute rock that has held our family together. aways in the background, just quietly going about his business but there as soon as we need him, no questions asked.
My mom had a violent ex and we all suffered. he's taught us all what a real man is and would cut of his hand before raising a finger to my mom
he has cancer and though he dosnt want cheo, he's having it because we asked him to fight...not for himself.
words are inadequate to explain the hero he is to me. |
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I like the Bounty ones, or are they in the Celebrations, i get confused easily."
you are just so bad but so so funny - where on earth did they teach you that dark humour |
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"my dad is my hero. not my dad by birthright, but an incredible man who has been through much, seen far to much and has been the absolute rock that has held our family together. aways in the background, just quietly going about his business but there as soon as we need him, no questions asked.
My mom had a violent ex and we all suffered. he's taught us all what a real man is and would cut of his hand before raising a finger to my mom
he has cancer and though he dosnt want cheo, he's having it because we asked him to fight...not for himself.
words are inadequate to explain the hero he is to me."
I can so empathise with that also - and does it not just show that "hero" can mean different things to different people, all definitions can be valid and co-exist IMHO |
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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"my dad is my hero. not my dad by birthright, but an incredible man who has been through much, seen far to much and has been the absolute rock that has held our family together. aways in the background, just quietly going about his business but there as soon as we need him, no questions asked.
My mom had a violent ex and we all suffered. he's taught us all what a real man is and would cut of his hand before raising a finger to my mom
he has cancer and though he dosnt want cheo, he's having it because we asked him to fight...not for himself.
words are inadequate to explain the hero he is to me."
Yep sounds like he is one for sure. |
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"Father Christmas...
Well he's a brave fekker slipping down them chimney's
And he is up on them roofs in the dark... "
Slightly off topic but Father Christmas will not slip. He has a summer job as a plasterer. He was working over the road on a building site and was stripped off to the waist with his long flowing hair and beard. My friend told her little boys he could see into their bedroom. They went straight away to tidy it up!! |
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"Father Christmas...
Well he's a brave fekker slipping down them chimney's
And he is up on them roofs in the dark...
Slightly off topic but Father Christmas will not slip. He has a summer job as a plasterer. He was working over the road on a building site and was stripped off to the waist with his long flowing hair and beard. My friend told her little boys he could see into their bedroom. They went straight away to tidy it up!!"
For a brief moment I thought I was on the wrong thread lol... |
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"my dad is my hero. not my dad by birthright, but an incredible man who has been through much, seen far to much and has been the absolute rock that has held our family together. aways in the background, just quietly going about his business but there as soon as we need him, no questions asked.
My mom had a violent ex and we all suffered. he's taught us all what a real man is and would cut of his hand before raising a finger to my mom
he has cancer and though he dosnt want cheo, he's having it because we asked him to fight...not for himself.
words are inadequate to explain the hero he is to me."
sounds a top guy and he obviously is your hero . xx |
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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"Father Christmas...
Well he's a brave fekker slipping down them chimney's
And he is up on them roofs in the dark...
Slightly off topic but Father Christmas will not slip. He has a summer job as a plasterer. He was working over the road on a building site and was stripped off to the waist with his long flowing hair and beard. My friend told her little boys he could see into their bedroom. They went straight away to tidy it up!!"
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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"Father Christmas...
Well he's a brave fekker slipping down them chimney's
And he is up on them roofs in the dark...
Slightly off topic but Father Christmas will not slip. He has a summer job as a plasterer. He was working over the road on a building site and was stripped off to the waist with his long flowing hair and beard. My friend told her little boys he could see into their bedroom. They went straight away to tidy it up!!"
hope father christmas doesnt get stuck........ample tummikins |
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"We,ve been reading the Flashman books of late.
There's a line in one of them where he states that a heroic act is half lunacy,half bravery and we think that about sums it up.
Of course there is heroism by force of circumstance,as in being in the wrong place at the right/wrong time with nowhere else to go,backs to the wall type of thing.
Rorke's Drift was a prime example of that.
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Charge of the light brigade was a great film...
Hero's maybe? The men who ordered it though more like criminals in my book
Love the bit when they asked if they should go again...
Brave lads although you wonder if they should have questioned their orders "
That's just the thing though,lots must have thought "fuck this" but where could they escape to without getting cut down?
Therefore they became unwitting and in many cases reluctant hero's.
It must have been the same on the Somme before they went "over the top",each man hoping that the one next to him would say "NO" but no one wanting to be the first dissenter.........then it was too late.
It's most likely happened that way throughout history and the survivors become hero's.
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"as ex army serving in NI i wouldnt call myself a hero and now just sent off my papers to re enter the army i wont see myself as a hero.. but i will miss coming on the site when im away "
Good luck with the app. I know a couple of crabs who got out, and now can't get back in. Fingers crossed for you. |
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"as ex army serving in NI i wouldnt call myself a hero and now just sent off my papers to re enter the army i wont see myself as a hero.. but i will miss coming on the site when im away
Good luck with the app. I know a couple of crabs who got out, and now can't get back in. Fingers crossed for you."
yeah a mate of mine got turned down but im giving it 200% to make sure i get in again. and thank you x |
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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"as ex army serving in NI i wouldnt call myself a hero and now just sent off my papers to re enter the army i wont see myself as a hero.. but i will miss coming on the site when im away "
Good luck in rejoining. I wouldn't ho back now but loved my time in service. |
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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"i have been in a few jobs 9-5 all that stuff mon-friday work and just isnt for me i get bored to quick army is the job for me "
Spent a fair length of time in the marines and loved it. Got to see lots of places and made friends who i still see to this day. A little past going back in but i still see a few who are still in when they are home. |
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"i have been in a few jobs 9-5 all that stuff mon-friday work and just isnt for me i get bored to quick army is the job for me
Spent a fair length of time in the marines and loved it. Got to see lots of places and made friends who i still see to this day. A little past going back in but i still see a few who are still in when they are home. "
They are no doubt the rather large lads stood starkers in the pub like it's the most natural thing in the world what is it with booties and getting naked??? |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"The wealth of South Africa, the infrastructure of South Africa, the commerce of South Africa, the Diamond mines of South Africa, the Gold Mines of South Africa.......Built up over 200 years of hard work, that was what the ANC saw as their prize....not the rights of tribes to go back living as they did pre colonisation. It wasn't the right to live in tribal lands in traditional mud and straw houses....it was the desire to boot out the White minority and share out the wealth of the nation, not to the Black majority but to the small band of 'elitists' amongst that Black majority.
You see the ANC were not fighting to move the nation back in history, they wanted to benefit from the investment and hard work of others by snatching it away at gunpoint.
In the 50's and 60's the ANC were not seeking peaceful intergration and fair share of the wealth of the nation, they were not in the least bit interested in a nation of equals.....it wasn't until Mandela was arrested, tried and imprisoned that the ANC moved on over the space of a decade and a half, then they realised that the world would not allow an armed overthrow of the South African government so they took the road to peace and reconciliation.
they should not have had to snatch it back.it was already thiers.the diamonds,and gold,was thiers, to do with as they wished.the country was built on what should have been thiers.stealing a nations wealth,denying them any rights in thier own country. now your saying,they were doing them a favour.get real.
On that basis North America and all it's wealth is the sole property and right of the North American Indians....
Who are original peoples of the British Isles?, should we track them down and have the Queen give them all her jewels and property?
The gold and diamonds of South Africa would still be in the ground and the indiginous population would still be hunting antelope....modern South Africa was built by the Afrikanas/Dutch/Germans/British, when the ANC took control did they give the wealth of tha nation back to the Zulus and other tribes?, no they carved it up between the hierarchy of the ANC.
Take a look at Zimbabwe, built up over the years into Africas bread basket, the biggest exporter of foodstuffs in Africa, it fed most of the rest of Africa for decades.....now it has been taken back by the indiginous population and they can't even feed their own population.
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one man,one vote.its not hard.its called democracy.or are you against that as well. |
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One man one vote, the vote is all the vast majority of Black South Africans have gained from the abolition of Apartheid...
Their standard of living has not improved that is for sure, Aids has spiralled out of control under an ANC leadership, poverty is greater now than it ever was.
The GDP of South Africa has fallen by over 70% since the ANC took power.
There never was equality amongst the black population before the ANC took power, and now there is even less equality than before Mandela won the election.
When Winnie Mandela was prosecuted in 2005 she had a recorded wealth of $9m US......Before Nelson Mandela was released from prison she never had two bob to scratch her arse with!
All the ANC have done is divide the wealth of the nation amongst a close knit group of corrupt ANC party members, just the same as happened in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe).
Before the ANC won power there were approx. 80 murders a month in South Africa, now there are a recorded average of 60 murders a day in South Africa...with the true figure thought to be well over 100 a day as many go unreported under the ANC regime.
So please don't tell me about one man one vote and equality for all....the place is as corrupt as any nation on earth. |
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"One man one vote, the vote is all the vast majority of Black South Africans have gained from the abolition of Apartheid...
Their standard of living has not improved that is for sure, Aids has spiralled out of control under an ANC leadership, poverty is greater now than it ever was.
The GDP of South Africa has fallen by over 70% since the ANC took power.
There never was equality amongst the black population before the ANC took power, and now there is even less equality than before Mandela won the election.
When Winnie Mandela was prosecuted in 2005 she had a recorded wealth of $9m US......Before Nelson Mandela was released from prison she never had two bob to scratch her arse with!
All the ANC have done is divide the wealth of the nation amongst a close knit group of corrupt ANC party members, just the same as happened in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe).
Before the ANC won power there were approx. 80 murders a month in South Africa, now there are a recorded average of 60 murders a day in South Africa...with the true figure thought to be well over 100 a day as many go unreported under the ANC regime.
So please don't tell me about one man one vote and equality for all....the place is as corrupt as any nation on earth."
the only important part of your statement jane.was,when the anc won the election.every person, should have a right to vote,for better,or worse.you seem to think its ok,for people like yourself,to have a vote,and then decide,who else should have a vote.quite an unfair outlook. |
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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"One man one vote, the vote is all the vast majority of Black South Africans have gained from the abolition of Apartheid...
Their standard of living has not improved that is for sure, Aids has spiralled out of control under an ANC leadership, poverty is greater now than it ever was.
The GDP of South Africa has fallen by over 70% since the ANC took power.
There never was equality amongst the black population before the ANC took power, and now there is even less equality than before Mandela won the election.
When Winnie Mandela was prosecuted in 2005 she had a recorded wealth of $9m US......Before Nelson Mandela was released from prison she never had two bob to scratch her arse with!
All the ANC have done is divide the wealth of the nation amongst a close knit group of corrupt ANC party members, just the same as happened in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe).
Before the ANC won power there were approx. 80 murders a month in South Africa, now there are a recorded average of 60 murders a day in South Africa...with the true figure thought to be well over 100 a day as many go unreported under the ANC regime.
So please don't tell me about one man one vote and equality for all....the place is as corrupt as any nation on earth."
Now what they have really gained is freedom to go as they please with no signs excluding them from entry. Maybe they have gained some pride and that's worth more than materiel goods. |
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"One man one vote, the vote is all the vast majority of Black South Africans have gained from the abolition of Apartheid...
Their standard of living has not improved that is for sure, Aids has spiralled out of control under an ANC leadership, poverty is greater now than it ever was.
The GDP of South Africa has fallen by over 70% since the ANC took power.
There never was equality amongst the black population before the ANC took power, and now there is even less equality than before Mandela won the election.
When Winnie Mandela was prosecuted in 2005 she had a recorded wealth of $9m US......Before Nelson Mandela was released from prison she never had two bob to scratch her arse with!
All the ANC have done is divide the wealth of the nation amongst a close knit group of corrupt ANC party members, just the same as happened in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe).
Before the ANC won power there were approx. 80 murders a month in South Africa, now there are a recorded average of 60 murders a day in South Africa...with the true figure thought to be well over 100 a day as many go unreported under the ANC regime.
So please don't tell me about one man one vote and equality for all....the place is as corrupt as any nation on earth.
the only important part of your statement jane.was,when the anc won the election.every person, should have a right to vote,for better,or worse.you seem to think its ok,for people like yourself,to have a vote,and then decide,who else should have a vote.quite an unfair outlook."
I am guessing you have no connection with South Africa yourself then?
Maybe if you did you would understand why many people with connections feel the once proud and hard built nation has been dragged back 300 years, and the wealth has been divied up between a handful of 'freedom fighters' who's real intention was not to free the Black population but to dip their hands in the coffers.
Very easy to have personal ideals about South Africa when you probably don't have or ever have had a stake in it's building. |
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"One man one vote, the vote is all the vast majority of Black South Africans have gained from the abolition of Apartheid...
Their standard of living has not improved that is for sure, Aids has spiralled out of control under an ANC leadership, poverty is greater now than it ever was.
The GDP of South Africa has fallen by over 70% since the ANC took power.
There never was equality amongst the black population before the ANC took power, and now there is even less equality than before Mandela won the election.
When Winnie Mandela was prosecuted in 2005 she had a recorded wealth of $9m US......Before Nelson Mandela was released from prison she never had two bob to scratch her arse with!
All the ANC have done is divide the wealth of the nation amongst a close knit group of corrupt ANC party members, just the same as happened in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe).
Before the ANC won power there were approx. 80 murders a month in South Africa, now there are a recorded average of 60 murders a day in South Africa...with the true figure thought to be well over 100 a day as many go unreported under the ANC regime.
So please don't tell me about one man one vote and equality for all....the place is as corrupt as any nation on earth."
Fuck me, im not going to Luxembourg if its that corrupt. |
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"One man one vote, the vote is all the vast majority of Black South Africans have gained from the abolition of Apartheid...
Their standard of living has not improved that is for sure, Aids has spiralled out of control under an ANC leadership, poverty is greater now than it ever was.
The GDP of South Africa has fallen by over 70% since the ANC took power.
There never was equality amongst the black population before the ANC took power, and now there is even less equality than before Mandela won the election.
When Winnie Mandela was prosecuted in 2005 she had a recorded wealth of $9m US......Before Nelson Mandela was released from prison she never had two bob to scratch her arse with!
All the ANC have done is divide the wealth of the nation amongst a close knit group of corrupt ANC party members, just the same as happened in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe).
Before the ANC won power there were approx. 80 murders a month in South Africa, now there are a recorded average of 60 murders a day in South Africa...with the true figure thought to be well over 100 a day as many go unreported under the ANC regime.
So please don't tell me about one man one vote and equality for all....the place is as corrupt as any nation on earth.
Now what they have really gained is freedom to go as they please with no signs excluding them from entry. Maybe they have gained some pride and that's worth more than materiel goods. "
The only problem with that is that most of the jobs that the Black population had in South Africa don't exist anymore because the investment that put bread on their tables has been pulled out of the country.
It's all very well giving people 'freedom' and making a big deal of Nelson Mandela leading the nation out of shackles, but as in Rhodesia there are no longer the jobs to feed the same people you have freed.
Unemployment in South Africa amongst the Black population has gone up from 39% to 85% since Mandela and his cronies 'freed' the people.
One of the first things the ANC did when they won the election was to go into the VW factory and demand tens of Millions of Dollars as a 'sweetner' to allow production to continue, VW and the German government closed the factory with the loss of 45,000 jobs within the factory and supplying companies.
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By *ig badMan
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"One man one vote, the vote is all the vast majority of Black South Africans have gained from the abolition of Apartheid...
Their standard of living has not improved that is for sure, Aids has spiralled out of control under an ANC leadership, poverty is greater now than it ever was.
The GDP of South Africa has fallen by over 70% since the ANC took power.
There never was equality amongst the black population before the ANC took power, and now there is even less equality than before Mandela won the election.
When Winnie Mandela was prosecuted in 2005 she had a recorded wealth of $9m US......Before Nelson Mandela was released from prison she never had two bob to scratch her arse with!
All the ANC have done is divide the wealth of the nation amongst a close knit group of corrupt ANC party members, just the same as happened in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe).
Before the ANC won power there were approx. 80 murders a month in South Africa, now there are a recorded average of 60 murders a day in South Africa...with the true figure thought to be well over 100 a day as many go unreported under the ANC regime.
So please don't tell me about one man one vote and equality for all....the place is as corrupt as any nation on earth.
Now what they have really gained is freedom to go as they please with no signs excluding them from entry. Maybe they have gained some pride and that's worth more than materiel goods.
The only problem with that is that most of the jobs that the Black population had in South Africa don't exist anymore because the investment that put bread on their tables has been pulled out of the country.
It's all very well giving people 'freedom' and making a big deal of Nelson Mandela leading the nation out of shackles, but as in Rhodesia there are no longer the jobs to feed the same people you have freed.
Unemployment in South Africa amongst the Black population has gone up from 39% to 85% since Mandela and his cronies 'freed' the people.
One of the first things the ANC did when they won the election was to go into the VW factory and demand tens of Millions of Dollars as a 'sweetner' to allow production to continue, VW and the German government closed the factory with the loss of 45,000 jobs within the factory and supplying companies.
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If the black population are so happy then there wouldn't be between 60 and 100 murders a day in the country, political ideals are all well and good but they don't feed hungry mouths.
The ANC is in such a mess that they are in danger not from the white minority but from extremists within their own ranks.
There is the rebirth of Mandela in the form of a nasty piece of work named Julius Malema, he is already advocating the armed overthrow of the corrupt members of ANC, the country is about to be dragged into Communist rule with Malema being bankrolled by China.
Black Trade Union leaders are now calling for white political intervention in an attempt to protect the few jobs that are still left in the country.
It's alright for people in the UK to sit in their ivory towers and proclaim how wonderful post apartheid South Africa is....another thing to be an average black South African living in the depths of poverty with a crumbling society. |
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And didn't FIFA do well.
All Revenue from the World Cup in South Africa is tax free. Taking from the poor doesn't make them less poor.
Poor black traders harried and prosecuted for trading on their normal patch because FIFA and their global sponsors don't want that.
Yes, self esteem is worth something, eve |
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over a year ago
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"If the black population are so happy then there wouldn't be between 60 and 100 murders a day in the country, political ideals are all well and good but they don't feed hungry mouths.
The ANC is in such a mess that they are in danger not from the white minority but from extremists within their own ranks.
There is the rebirth of Mandela in the form of a nasty piece of work named Julius Malema, he is already advocating the armed overthrow of the corrupt members of ANC, the country is about to be dragged into Communist rule with Malema being bankrolled by China.
Black Trade Union leaders are now calling for white political intervention in an attempt to protect the few jobs that are still left in the country.
It's alright for people in the UK to sit in their ivory towers and proclaim how wonderful post apartheid South Africa is....another thing to be an average black South African living in the depths of poverty with a crumbling society."
you may say what you wish but under no circumstances can you justify an apartheid regime. It was totally wrong and tret parts of the population abominably. To put people in slums and ban them from entry to certain areas can never be justified.
I spent 7 months training the South African Recces and the way they treat the black troops was unpalatable. Good enough to die for the whites but not good enough to go in the same swimming baths! How ever the current regime struggles it is better than the last one. |
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As I said, it's easy to sit in a comfortable chair in the UK and champion the benefits of being a modern day average black South African.
Nothing has changed, there are still many no go areas for everyday blacks in the country, difference being the no go areas are large residential areas and shopping malls for black middle class and white middle class South Africans, it's no longer about colour....it's about class.
The new ruling class in South Africa is a mix of black and white wealthy people, the white wealthy people earned their wealth from years of building and managing industry and businesses, the black wealthy simply snatched their money when the ANC took control.
There are many new walled and gated housing estates in Jo'Berg with armed guards....filled not by white middle class but by black middle class.
The average black South African is not welcomed in either.
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"As I said, it's easy to sit in a comfortable chair in the UK and champion the benefits of being a modern day average black South African.
Nothing has changed, there are still many no go areas for everyday blacks in the country, difference being the no go areas are large residential areas and shopping malls for black middle class and white middle class South Africans, it's no longer about colour....it's about class.
The new ruling class in South Africa is a mix of black and white wealthy people, the white wealthy people earned their wealth from years of building and managing industry and businesses, the black wealthy simply snatched their money when the ANC took control.
There are many new walled and gated housing estates in Jo'Berg with armed guards....filled not by white middle class but by black middle class.
The average black South African is not welcomed in either.
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Well having been in South Africa in the Apartheid days and back only 2 years ago there is one big difference. Personally i prefer South Africa these days as before i felt ashamed to be white while i was in the country.
We shall agree to differ on this matter as you have different views on values to my self. |
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Nothing to do with my personal values, what the ANC promised was an interventionist Reconstruction and Development Programme, based on Communist values....which I backed 100%.
The abolition of the slums and townships, equal pay for blacks and whites doing the same job, a massive social housing building programme, the biggest school building programme Africa has ever seen......The money was given by many wealthy nations, including £600 million from the UK, $3.2 Billion from the US, $2.1 Billion from the EU, plus mega bucks from Communist nations like China and Russia.
In reality since the ANC took control social house building has reduced by half and school building by 70%, the money was used to build hotels, football stadiums, Marinas, Golf Courses.....all to tend to the social needs of the new black middle class.
What they have delivered is a new form of apartheid, where ordinary blacks are not equal to politically connected middle class blacks.
Apartheid needed dismantling, but not to be replaced by something that over the next few years will prove to be far worse for the average black South African. |
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