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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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wear lycra a lot for over 30yrs
i couldnt care a jot what some tart thinks ..
i wear it because i ride a bike ..have done for a long time ..
assume you are "new cycling" ?? |
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over a year ago
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I cycle on average 1000 miles a month all year round and would be lost without lycra
Unless the industry can come up with something that works as well im sticking with it  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Age is not the defining factor of why people don't always look good in lycra!
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very true
If one has a rotund engine like mine (Mr) then that's not conducive to a great look 
They are very comfy though |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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A bloke just walked into the pub where I was and it distinctly looked like he had forgotten to put his trousers on ... not a good look when one is trying to eat one's lunch  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A bloke just walked into the pub where I was and it distinctly looked like he had forgotten to put his trousers on ... not a good look when one is trying to eat one's lunch "
sausage ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'd like to know the argument for Lycra on normal guys, I understand why athletes would wear it speed/time/wind But I used to ride bmx to a high level and we wore normal normal shorts and t-shirts for the summer and tighter fitting jeans and crewnecks/hoodies for the winter, we were always comfy and we used to go on long rides as well.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'd like to know the argument for Lycra on normal guys, I understand why athletes would wear it speed/time/wind But I used to ride bmx to a high level and we wore normal normal shorts and t-shirts for the summer and tighter fitting jeans and crewnecks/hoodies for the winter, we were always comfy and we used to go on long rides as well. "
I ride upwards of 100 miles+ for a long ride out and quite simply, the Lycra shorts are so well fitting, it avoids saddle sores and chafing. They're lightweight which on a long day every ounce helps when you're tired. Not interested in how it looks or how peoples perceptions of its looks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Can't u just get a better saddle? Isn't the point of cycling as a sport to do exercise? So every ounce may help you build muscle and endurance? I'm not saying it looks great either but it does look bad, unless you are a hardcore cyclist that always dreamt of being in le tour of France then my congrats to you on never giving up on your dreams I accept your love for lycra . |
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By *azNdavCouple
over a year ago
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"do men over 40 on bikes look good to you ladies in lycra ???
Mid life crisis written all over that!!  "
Mid life cyclists I call them. Country roads full of em round here due to the Tour de France shouldn't be allowed all that Lycra. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm over 40, a cyclist, I'm fit and I look good in Lycra shorts, so bollocks to the lot of ya.
The day I take fashion criticism from a straight man is the day Satan ice skates to work. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can't u just get a better saddle? Isn't the point of cycling as a sport to do exercise? So every ounce may help you build muscle and endurance? I'm not saying it looks great either but it does look bad, unless you are a hardcore cyclist that always dreamt of being in le tour of France then my congrats to you on never giving up on your dreams I accept your love for lycra ."
I have no love for it, I know it looks shit on me. Also, a saddle is only a small contact point on the bike so a better one doesn't solve the problem of your moving parts which the figure hugging clothing keeps in place. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm over 40, a cyclist, I'm fit and I look good in Lycra shorts, so bollocks to the lot of ya.
The day I take fashion criticism from a straight man is the day Satan ice skates to work. "
i'm studied in design/fashion/products, you can trust me |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can't u just get a better saddle? Isn't the point of cycling as a sport to do exercise? So every ounce may help you build muscle and endurance? "
I'm really struggling to see the logic of this statement?
Wearing less functional kit makes you fitter? How's that then?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can't u just get a better saddle? Isn't the point of cycling as a sport to do exercise? So every ounce may help you build muscle and endurance?
I'm really struggling to see the logic of this statement?
Wearing less functional kit makes you fitter? How's that then? "
like wearing ankle weights, or weighted vests/belts or sticking rocks in a backpack helps you train, none of those are functional, they help you train harder by providing resistance. functional things make things easier. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I love seeing a great butt clothed in Lycra & yes I'll slow down to have a good look! When I go to watch the Tour de France I'll be enjoying the view of all that Lycra !
Age is irrelevant ! Some guys & ladies look fantastic !
Much better than wearing see through leggings which I've often seen.
Long live Lycra !
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I love seeing a great butt clothed in Lycra & yes I'll slow down to have a good look! When I go to watch the Tour de France I'll be enjoying the view of all that Lycra !
Age is irrelevant ! Some guys & ladies look fantastic !
Much better than wearing see through leggings which I've often seen.
Long live Lycra !
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ladies can wear anything !!!!!!! long live ladies  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can't u just get a better saddle? Isn't the point of cycling as a sport to do exercise? So every ounce may help you build muscle and endurance?
I'm really struggling to see the logic of this statement?
Wearing less functional kit makes you fitter? How's that then?
like wearing ankle weights, or weighted vests/belts or sticking rocks in a backpack helps you train, none of those are functional, they help you train harder by providing resistance. functional things make things easier. "
Seriously? Inappropriate kit is nothing like resistance training... By that logic maybe i should start running in my jeans as well? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm over 40, a cyclist, I'm fit and I look good in Lycra shorts, so bollocks to the lot of ya.
The day I take fashion criticism from a straight man is the day Satan ice skates to work.
i'm studied in design/fashion/products, you can trust me "
I've studied my ass in lycra shorts, in a mirror. Trust me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can't u just get a better saddle? Isn't the point of cycling as a sport to do exercise? So every ounce may help you build muscle and endurance?
I'm really struggling to see the logic of this statement?
Wearing less functional kit makes you fitter? How's that then?
like wearing ankle weights, or weighted vests/belts or sticking rocks in a backpack helps you train, none of those are functional, they help you train harder by providing resistance. functional things make things easier.
Seriously? Inappropriate kit is nothing like resistance training... By that logic maybe i should start running in my jeans as well?"
you can run injorts , or for running do you have an aerodynamic suit? |
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"I'd like to know the argument for Lycra on normal guys, I understand why athletes would wear it speed/time/wind But I used to ride bmx to a high level and we wore normal normal shorts and t-shirts for the summer and tighter fitting jeans and crewnecks/hoodies for the winter, we were always comfy and we used to go on long rides as well. "
because Lycra is the best clothing for the job. It dries quickly, keeps you warm in cold weather, keeps you cool in warm weather, doesn't rub, doesn't flap in the wind & its lightweight.
Try riding 100+ miles in bad weather in jeans & see how sore you are.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'd like to know the argument for Lycra on normal guys, I understand why athletes would wear it speed/time/wind But I used to ride bmx to a high level and we wore normal normal shorts and t-shirts for the summer and tighter fitting jeans and crewnecks/hoodies for the winter, we were always comfy and we used to go on long rides as well.
because Lycra is the best clothing for the job. It dries quickly, keeps you warm in cold weather, keeps you cool in warm weather, doesn't rub, doesn't flap in the wind & its lightweight.
Try riding 100+ miles in bad weather in jeans & see how sore you are.
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thank you, at least someone explained it. |
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By *xpresMan
over a year ago
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"wear lycra a lot for over 30yrs
i couldnt care a jot what some tart thinks ..
i wear it because i ride a bike ..have done for a long time ..
assume you are "new cycling" ??"
but why.. You don't NEED to wear it n lets face it if your over 30 lycra is a massive huge gigantic NO!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"wear lycra a lot for over 30yrs
i couldnt care a jot what some tart thinks ..
i wear it because i ride a bike ..have done for a long time ..
assume you are "new cycling" ??
but why.. You don't NEED to wear it n lets face it if your over 30 lycra is a massive huge gigantic NO!!"
Speak for yourself matey it's comfortable to cycle long distances in as it's purpose made....simples. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm over 40, a cyclist, I'm fit and I look good in Lycra shorts, so bollocks to the lot of ya.
The day I take fashion criticism from a straight man is the day Satan ice skates to work. "
Had you walked in the pub then .......... lets just say my jaw would have been on the floor |
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By (user no longer on site)
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but why.. You don't NEED to wear it n lets face it if your over 30 lycra is a massive huge gigantic NO!!"
But there's those with the bodies to carry it off, and those who'd look like a condom full of custard. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just started out on bike again after many years away from it a few to mant pies later made me think its time to drag it back out and get on it but sorry wont be wearing the tight fitting gear even though i know how comfy it was and how much it helped on those long runs |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You roadies are a strange bunch.... I understand the functionality of padded shorts, have some decency and put something over the top. It looks much better on the whole. Plus the whole matching top thing? Really.... Dressing like Cav or Frome doesn't make you faster. Just push harder.
There are way me comfy riding tops than Lycra.
Come away from the dark side, relax have more fun away from cars.
All that said, a nice female bum is certainly enhanced by cycling gear and being perched on a saddle. Same as wetsuits too. |
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"next question then .....what about lycra with seat padding ?????? its a bit like a nappy  "
As a female cyclist who does a fair few miles and wears padded bib tights, it is most necessary if one does not want a fanny like road kill afterwards.
By the way, I'm sure I don't look amazing in my Lycra, but I couldn't give a shit about whatever anyone thought I looked like; I am dressed for excercise, not to bag a man.Lycra is comfy, stretches with my movements and wicks sweat away from my skin. I wouldn't wear anything else when riding. |
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"next question then .....what about lycra with seat padding ?????? its a bit like a nappy
As a female cyclist who does a fair few miles and wears padded bib tights, it is most necessary if one does not want a fanny like road kill afterwards.
By the way, I'm sure I don't look amazing in my Lycra, but I couldn't give a shit about whatever anyone thought I looked like; I am dressed for excercise, not to bag a man.Lycra is comfy, stretches with my movements and wicks sweat away from my skin. I wouldn't wear anything else when riding."
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"You roadies are a strange bunch.... I understand the functionality of padded shorts, have some decency and put something over the top. It looks much better on the whole. Plus the whole matching top thing? Really.... Dressing like Cav or Frome doesn't make you faster. Just push harder.
There are way me comfy riding tops than Lycra.
Come away from the dark side, relax have more fun away from cars.
All that said, a nice female bum is certainly enhanced by cycling gear and being perched on a saddle. Same as wetsuits too. "
I have two MTB's, an XC & an All-Mountain version. Off road I'll wear baggies, knee/elbow pads & loose tops. None of that is appropriate or even works on a road bike. You wear the right kit for the job. I enjoy spotting MTB'ers on road bikes, they are usually overweight, slow, inappropriately dressed and blowing like dying whales! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As i said earlier i do wear lycra because nothing else works as well on a road bike (Wilier Cento Uno SLR) But i do draw the line at full matching Pro team kit.
There are a lot of wealthy, slightly... er? overweight guys around this part of the world, and i often pass them out on their 7k Dogmas wearing their full Sky or Movistar skin suits eeeeeeeeew!! |
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Cycling shorts I can see the point of. But stupid dayglo skin tight lycra cycling tops just make you look like a twat and serve no purpose that a normal training top you'd wear to the gym would serve. Don't pretend those tops (and the stupid wraparound shades) are about anything other than posing for the average cyclist.
As for riding two abreast... |
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The reason for two a breast is to leave traffic with no option but to slow and give a wide berth as most traffic don't give enough room a bike needs the same space a car given drag factor, pot holes etc the shades don't need to be wraparound but u need them do to volume if wildlife that hits u in the face and for down hills, u can reach 35-50 mph going down a hill causing your yes to stream and blind u! The Lycra? Well that's what they sell lol I'm off on my bike shortly!
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"do men over 40 on bikes look good to you ladies in lycra ???"
Depends of they have the body to pull it off. Even then they only look good on the bike. When they get off the look like they are wearing nappies with at the padding between the legs lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Guilty as charged ! ...Im 46, very rotund and have just ridden the devon coast to coast over 2 days in lycra !  "
nice one, a rather picturesque ride I imagine? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Love it, I have couriers deliver documents to me via bike and motor bikes, best treat is a dirty blond aussie guy who delivers every now and then in his tight lycra shorts and top, always got a semi hard on (must be because he knows whats in store when he delivers,boy does he deliver) |
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"Guilty as charged ! ...Im 46, very rotund and have just ridden the devon coast to coast over 2 days in lycra ! "
I like you. That's far better than six pack young lad who knows he's all "it" and doesn't have much between the ears. I never know whether to burp or blow those types. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The reason for two a breast is to leave traffic with no option but to slow and give a wide berth as most traffic don't give enough room a bike needs the same space a car given drag factor, pot holes etc the shades don't need to be wraparound but u need them do to volume if wildlife that hits u in the face and for down hills, u can reach 35-50 mph going down a hill causing your yes to stream and blind u! The Lycra? Well that's what they sell lol I'm off on my bike shortly!
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My gym tops don't have pockets in them which is why they are useflessfor cycling. They also don't wick as well
Shades are used in countless sports. The reasons why are obvious.
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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago
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"Two abreast is bad practice and against the Highway Code. You'll give the rest of us a bad rep doing that.
Errr no it isn't"
Nothing to add on bad practise or about the Highway code......
Just imagining wheels in lycra, followed by a kilt.
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Do cyclists contribute to the upkeep of the nations roads? Do they pay insurance premiums so others can claim when their poor cycling causes death or injury? I think the answer is no, so until they do they are just another hazard like d*unken pedestrians and stray sheep....best avoided |
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"Two abreast is bad practice and against the Highway Code. You'll give the rest of us a bad rep doing that.
Errr no it isn't
Nothing to add on bad practise or about the Highway code......
Just imagining wheels in lycra, followed by a kilt.
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Welcome back
There's a picture of me not in lycra on the bike at the weekend that is possibly better even than the image you just described! |
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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago
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"Two abreast is bad practice and against the Highway Code. You'll give the rest of us a bad rep doing that.
Errr no it isn't
Nothing to add on bad practise or about the Highway code......
Just imagining wheels in lycra, followed by a kilt.
Welcome back
There's a picture of me not in lycra on the bike at the weekend that is possibly better even than the image you just described!"
Thank you x
What I imagined what rather good but if you want to share this image with me, please feel free.  |
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"Do cyclists contribute to the upkeep of the nations roads? Do they pay insurance premiums so others can claim when their poor cycling causes death or injury? I think the answer is no, so until they do they are just another hazard like d*unken pedestrians and stray sheep....best avoided "
Agree, if cyclists want to ride two a breat then they should start paying road tax, get in single file or don't ride on the road, simple. |
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"Do cyclists contribute to the upkeep of the nations roads? Do they pay insurance premiums so others can claim when their poor cycling causes death or injury? I think the answer is no, so until they do they are just another hazard like d*unken pedestrians and stray sheep....best avoided
Agree, if cyclists want to ride two a breat then they should start paying road tax, get in single file or don't ride on the road, simple. "
*two a breast |
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"Do cyclists contribute to the upkeep of the nations roads? Do they pay insurance premiums so others can claim when their poor cycling causes death or injury? I think the answer is no, so until they do they are just another hazard like d*unken pedestrians and stray sheep....best avoided "
If they pay taxes then yes they contribute to roads. Do they have insurance ? Some do but they are liable just the same as any other person for anything they cause through carelessness etc.
No one owns the road we all share it.
Now back onto the original subject....what about badly dressed car drivers ? White trakkie bottoms, crocs ,naff shirts with emblems on that they have no idea or concept about...tut tut tut |
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"Do cyclists contribute to the upkeep of the nations roads? Do they pay insurance premiums so others can claim when their poor cycling causes death or injury? I think the answer is no, so until they do they are just another hazard like d*unken pedestrians and stray sheep....best avoided
Agree, if cyclists want to ride two a breat then they should start paying road tax, get in single file or don't ride on the road, simple. "
Do cars pay road tax? |
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"Do cyclists contribute to the upkeep of the nations roads? Do they pay insurance premiums so others can claim when their poor cycling causes death or injury? I think the answer is no, so until they do they are just another hazard like d*unken pedestrians and stray sheep....best avoided
If they pay taxes then yes they contribute to roads. Do they have insurance ? Some do but they are liable just the same as any other person for anything they cause through carelessness etc.
No one owns the road we all share it.
Now back onto the original subject....what about badly dressed car drivers ? White trakkie bottoms, crocs ,naff shirts with emblems on that they have no idea or concept about...tut tut tut "
Cyclist don't pay road tax. |
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"Do cyclists contribute to the upkeep of the nations roads? Do they pay insurance premiums so others can claim when their poor cycling causes death or injury? I think the answer is no, so until they do they are just another hazard like d*unken pedestrians and stray sheep....best avoided
Agree, if cyclists want to ride two a breat then they should start paying road tax, get in single file or don't ride on the road, simple.
Do cars pay road tax? "
Yes they do same as lorries/hgv's and motorcyclists. Next time you see a car have a look in the windscreen at the little coloured disc with an expiry date on it.....thats called road tax. |
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I never realised how annoying cyclists were until i recently got my own car, they obviously know they are hogging the road, why not signal and wait on the side of the road so the cars waiting for your slow ass can pass and then safely continue your journey again, I'd appreciate that more and you'll be less likely to get ran over, or cause a collision.
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"Do cyclists contribute to the upkeep of the nations roads? Do they pay insurance premiums so others can claim when their poor cycling causes death or injury? I think the answer is no, so until they do they are just another hazard like d*unken pedestrians and stray sheep....best avoided
If they pay taxes then yes they contribute to roads. Do they have insurance ? Some do but they are liable just the same as any other person for anything they cause through carelessness etc.
No one owns the road we all share it.
Now back onto the original subject....what about badly dressed car drivers ? White trakkie bottoms, crocs ,naff shirts with emblems on that they have no idea or concept about...tut tut tut
Cyclist don't pay road tax."
They pay tax if they earn which goes towards roads. Your tax disc or vehicle excise licence does not contrary to popular belief pay for roads.
Many cycling paths in the UK are paid for by European grants. |
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"I never realised how annoying cyclists were until i recently got my own car, they obviously know they are hogging the road, why not signal and wait on the side of the road so the cars waiting for your slow ass can pass and then safely continue your journey again, I'd appreciate that more and you'll be less likely to get ran over, or cause a collision.
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"Do cyclists contribute to the upkeep of the nations roads? Do they pay insurance premiums so others can claim when their poor cycling causes death or injury? I think the answer is no, so until they do they are just another hazard like d*unken pedestrians and stray sheep....best avoided
If they pay taxes then yes they contribute to roads. Do they have insurance ? Some do but they are liable just the same as any other person for anything they cause through carelessness etc.
No one owns the road we all share it.
Now back onto the original subject....what about badly dressed car drivers ? White trakkie bottoms, crocs ,naff shirts with emblems on that they have no idea or concept about...tut tut tut
Cyclist don't pay road tax.
They pay tax if they earn which goes towards roads. Your tax disc or vehicle excise licence does not contrary to popular belief pay for roads.
Many cycling paths in the UK are paid for by European grants."
Ok then if cyclists want to ride two a breast they should pay a tax disc or vehicle excise licence fee. Different name same principle. |
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"Do cyclists contribute to the upkeep of the nations roads? Do they pay insurance premiums so others can claim when their poor cycling causes death or injury? I think the answer is no, so until they do they are just another hazard like d*unken pedestrians and stray sheep....best avoided
If they pay taxes then yes they contribute to roads. Do they have insurance ? Some do but they are liable just the same as any other person for anything they cause through carelessness etc.
No one owns the road we all share it.
Now back onto the original subject....what about badly dressed car drivers ? White trakkie bottoms, crocs ,naff shirts with emblems on that they have no idea or concept about...tut tut tut
Cyclist don't pay road tax.
They pay tax if they earn which goes towards roads. Your tax disc or vehicle excise licence does not contrary to popular belief pay for roads.
Many cycling paths in the UK are paid for by European grants.
Ok then if cyclists want to ride two a breast they should pay a tax disc or vehicle excise licence fee. Different name same principle."
Mute point seeing as tax discs have nothing to do with road maintenance or use...Google it.
I cycle and yes I agree two abreast isn't such a great idea. I also drive. I see far more idiots in motor vehicles than on bikes to be honest and whilst I don't have the facts in front of me I'm confident that car drivers cause more accidents and deaths.
Next time you're behind cyclists riding abreast, controlling your anger at this ten second delay and slowing before safely overtaking without tutting or shouting abuse is a viable option. |
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"Do cyclists contribute to the upkeep of the nations roads? Do they pay insurance premiums so others can claim when their poor cycling causes death or injury? I think the answer is no, so until they do they are just another hazard like d*unken pedestrians and stray sheep....best avoided
Agree, if cyclists want to ride two a breat then they should start paying road tax, get in single file or don't ride on the road, simple.
Do cars pay road tax?
Yes they do same as lorries/hgv's and motorcyclists. Next time you see a car have a look in the windscreen at the little coloured disc with an expiry date on it.....thats called road tax."
Well no it isn't...
But ignoring tgat vehicke excise duty is not road tax what about zero emmission vehicles? |
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"I never realised how annoying cyclists were until i recently got my own car, they obviously know they are hogging the road, why not signal and wait on the side of the road so the cars waiting for your slow ass can pass and then safely continue your journey again, I'd appreciate that more and you'll be less likely to get ran over, or cause a collision.
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Or you could show mote consideration towards vulnerable road users?
This post says more about your driving than the behaviour of cyclists |
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"Do cyclists contribute to the upkeep of the nations roads? Do they pay insurance premiums so others can claim when their poor cycling causes death or injury? I think the answer is no, so until they do they are just another hazard like d*unken pedestrians and stray sheep....best avoided
Agree, if cyclists want to ride two a breat then they should start paying road tax, get in single file or don't ride on the road, simple.
Do cars pay road tax?
Yes they do same as lorries/hgv's and motorcyclists. Next time you see a car have a look in the windscreen at the little coloured disc with an expiry date on it.....thats called road tax.
Well no it isn't...
But ignoring tgat vehicke excise duty is not road tax what about zero emmission vehicles?"
zero emmission vehicles same as vehicles over 25 years old (classic cars). Point is cyclists don't do themselves any favours when they ride two a breast it just annoys the fuck out of all other road users who pay a vehicle excise tax disc fee (i call it road tax and i'd guess 90% of the normal thinking population also call it that). When i go in the post office with my documents i hand them over and say 6 months raod tax please and believe it or not the cashier/assistant knows exactly what i mean. How would you feel if you were riding in a cycle lane and two idiot pedestrians were walking two a breast in front of you in the cycle lane?
I may start doing that just to see how the cyclists will react? |
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"Do cyclists contribute to the upkeep of the nations roads? Do they pay insurance premiums so others can claim when their poor cycling causes death or injury? I think the answer is no, so until they do they are just another hazard like d*unken pedestrians and stray sheep....best avoided
Agree, if cyclists want to ride two a breat then they should start paying road tax, get in single file or don't ride on the road, simple.
Do cars pay road tax?
Yes they do same as lorries/hgv's and motorcyclists. Next time you see a car have a look in the windscreen at the little coloured disc with an expiry date on it.....thats called road tax.
Well no it isn't...
But ignoring tgat vehicke excise duty is not road tax what about zero emmission vehicles?
zero emmission vehicles same as vehicles over 25 years old (classic cars). Point is cyclists don't do themselves any favours when they ride two a breast it just annoys the fuck out of all other road users who pay a vehicle excise tax disc fee (i call it road tax and i'd guess 90% of the normal thinking population also call it that). When i go in the post office with my documents i hand them over and say 6 months raod tax please and believe it or not the cashier/assistant knows exactly what i mean. How would you feel if you were riding in a cycle lane and two idiot pedestrians were walking two a breast in front of you in the cycle lane?
I may start doing that just to see how the cyclists will react?"
Google road tax ...its got nothing to do with roads and the right to use them !!@@ |
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"Thats for sure a nice body and a pert ass just make fer luvily viewing on ur car journey ha
Unless there are two of them riding two a breast...then they are idiots."
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Oh dear,it never takes long does it?
Road Tax doesn't exist, it hasn't existed since 1937 & VED is a tax on emmissions not to pay for road maintenance. In fact, VED contributes about 2.4% of the total cost of UK roads, it doesn't even cover the pollution/healthcare costs associated with emissions.
UK roads are funded via Council Tax & general taxation.
There are over 2 million vehicles on the roads that legally do not pay VED.
Cycles have Statutory Right to the roads after a court case in 1879 ruled cycles were legally carriages and could use the full width of the highway. This was enshrined in the Road Traffic Act of 1888 & every update since, the UK also ratified the Vienna Convention on Road Access in 1968 that gives the same rights.
Two abreast is legal & is often the safest and correct posture to take. If you cannot overtake using the opposite lane as per The Highway Code rule 163 then you wait til your way is clear, its quite simple.
It is a taught posture along with the Primary (middle of lane) and Secondary (first 3rd of lane) and is often called vehicular cycling - i.e. protecting yourself by using the lane as a car would.
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"Oh dear,it never takes long does it?
Road Tax doesn't exist, it hasn't existed since 1937 & VED is a tax on emmissions not to pay for road maintenance. In fact, VED contributes about 2.4% of the total cost of UK roads, it doesn't even cover the pollution/healthcare costs associated with emissions.
UK roads are funded via Council Tax & general taxation.
There are over 2 million vehicles on the roads that legally do not pay VED.
Cycles have Statutory Right to the roads after a court case in 1879 ruled cycles were legally carriages and could use the full width of the highway. This was enshrined in the Road Traffic Act of 1888 & every update since, the UK also ratified the Vienna Convention on Road Access in 1968 that gives the same rights.
Two abreast is legal & is often the safest and correct posture to take. If you cannot overtake using the opposite lane as per The Highway Code rule 163 then you wait til your way is clear, its quite simple.
It is a taught posture along with the Primary (middle of lane) and Secondary (first 3rd of lane) and is often called vehicular cycling - i.e. protecting yourself by using the lane as a car would.
Right, back to the Lycra!"
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"Oh dear,it never takes long does it?
Road Tax doesn't exist, it hasn't existed since 1937 & VED is a tax on emmissions not to pay for road maintenance. In fact, VED contributes about 2.4% of the total cost of UK roads, it doesn't even cover the pollution/healthcare costs associated with emissions.
UK roads are funded via Council Tax & general taxation.
There are over 2 million vehicles on the roads that legally do not pay VED.
Cycles have Statutory Right to the roads after a court case in 1879 ruled cycles were legally carriages and could use the full width of the highway. This was enshrined in the Road Traffic Act of 1888 & every update since, the UK also ratified the Vienna Convention on Road Access in 1968 that gives the same rights.
Two abreast is legal & is often the safest and correct posture to take. If you cannot overtake using the opposite lane as per The Highway Code rule 163 then you wait til your way is clear, its quite simple.
It is a taught posture along with the Primary (middle of lane) and Secondary (first 3rd of lane) and is often called vehicular cycling - i.e. protecting yourself by using the lane as a car would.
Right, back to the Lycra!
I wear my Lycra without shame "
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"I never realised how annoying cyclists were until i recently got my own car, they obviously know they are hogging the road, why not signal and wait on the side of the road so the cars waiting for your slow ass can pass and then safely continue your journey again, I'd appreciate that more and you'll be less likely to get ran over, or cause a collision.
Or you could show mote consideration towards vulnerable road users?
This post says more about your driving than the behaviour of cyclists "
I was a cyclist myself and I let vehicles pass me by thus feeling much safer, I'm more considerate to a vehicle that can kill me and rather trust my judgement than the driver's to be honest. Cyclist get on this 'look after me I'm defenceless' high horse and don't see other road user's points. I'm a considerate and safe driver after all a car is a loaded gun. I guess you get idiots on both the car and bikes. No offence. |
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"I started the post as I have just bought lycra but cant bring myself to wear it .......lol
any ladies want to persuade me"
Just do it (though I'm not a lady), believe me starting shaving your legs is a far bigger leap than starting to wear lycra! |
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Padded cycling diets are great if you sirens much more than an hour in the saddle at any one time. Also if you are just starting to ride they are great. I just west shirts over the top as I don't find them flattering....
Full on winter bib tights are also amazing, when you are late at night when snow half way up your shins you can stay toasties and warm. |
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Even the pro's - who spend most of their time in the saddle - wear padded shorts & chamois cream, if its good enough for them its good enough for everyone else i reckon. It all depends on what your aim is, a leisurely pootle along the canal bank? Get some padded undershorts & wear casual clothing.
100 fast miles on a carbon road rocket? Get the Lycra & chamois cream out! |
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"Even the pro's - who spend most of their time in the saddle - wear padded shorts & chamois cream, if its good enough for them its good enough for everyone else i reckon. It all depends on what your aim is, a leisurely pootle along the canal bank? Get some padded undershorts & wear casual clothing.
100 fast miles on a carbon road rocket? Get the Lycra & chamois cream out!"
Exactly the situation I'm in, although my carbon rocket ain't got that good a motor yet. But after 50-60 miles I'm hugely thankful for the pad and the cream. |
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"Even the pro's - who spend most of their time in the saddle - wear padded shorts & chamois cream, if its good enough for them its good enough for everyone else i reckon. It all depends on what your aim is, a leisurely pootle along the canal bank? Get some padded undershorts & wear casual clothing.
100 fast miles on a carbon road rocket? Get the Lycra & chamois cream out!
Exactly the situation I'm in, although my carbon rocket ain't got that good a motor yet. But after 50-60 miles I'm hugely thankful for the pad and the cream. "
You need to be able to function the next day! Recently rode the Walney to Whitby C2C route in bad weather, after 109 miles of rain i was thankful for chamois cream! |
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"Do cyclists contribute to the upkeep of the nations roads? Do they pay insurance premiums so others can claim when their poor cycling causes death or injury? I think the answer is no, so until they do they are just another hazard like d*unken pedestrians and stray sheep....best avoided
Agree, if cyclists want to ride two a breat then they should start paying road tax, get in single file or don't ride on the road, simple. "
I'm not a cyclist but you don't pay road tax either neither do i or anyone.
roads are maintained out of general taxation your vehicle tax is "vehicle emissions duty" and it's done on how much co2 your vehicle puts out hence why a electric car pays none and a sports bike pays hardly any compared to a car.
I do think it should be though under 16 you ride on pavement over 16 you ride on road and should have a liecene plate and need insurance.
the main thing that pisses me off is cyclist hears the bike engine so decides to do a "shoulder check" (more an awkward body twist tbh) and in doing so swerves about three foot directly into my path.
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"Do cyclists contribute to the upkeep of the nations roads? Do they pay insurance premiums so others can claim when their poor cycling causes death or injury? I think the answer is no, so until they do they are just another hazard like d*unken pedestrians and stray sheep....best avoided
Agree, if cyclists want to ride two a breat then they should start paying road tax, get in single file or don't ride on the road, simple.
I'm not a cyclist but you don't pay road tax either neither do i or anyone.
roads are maintained out of general taxation your vehicle tax is "vehicle emissions duty" and it's done on how much co2 your vehicle puts out hence why a electric car pays none and a sports bike pays hardly any compared to a car.
I do think it should be though under 16 you ride on pavement over 16 you ride on road and should have a liecene plate and need insurance.
the main thing that pisses me off is cyclist hears the bike engine so decides to do a "shoulder check" (more an awkward body twist tbh) and in doing so swerves about three foot directly into my path.
they should have bar end mirrors."
Its been said many times the law is an ass and it certainly applies to this. Vehicles 25 years or older (classic vintage cars built before Jan 1975) must have a valid tax disc but don't have to pay a fee for it so its free same as low emissions cars (electric cars, etc). Now generally cars 25 years or older are gas guzzeling and produce high emissions so its stupid that they should be exempt?
As for the term "road tax" look it up on wikipedia, it is commonly used when referring to Vehicle excise duty. The term "Road tax" is also in the Oxford english dictionary. |
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"I'd like to know the argument for Lycra on normal guys, I understand why athletes would wear it speed/time/wind But I used to ride bmx to a high level and we wore normal normal shorts and t-shirts for the summer and tighter fitting jeans and crewnecks/hoodies for the winter, we were always comfy and we used to go on long rides as well.
because Lycra is the best clothing for the job. It dries quickly, keeps you warm in cold weather, keeps you cool in warm weather, doesn't rub, doesn't flap in the wind & its lightweight.
Try riding 100+ miles in bad weather in jeans & see how sore you are.
thank you, at least someone explained it."
i didnt realise there was a need to explain it, you can were whatever you like as long as its not obscene, how it looks to others is irrelevant its praticalilty that counts |
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"Do cyclists contribute to the upkeep of the nations roads? Do they pay insurance premiums so others can claim when their poor cycling causes death or injury? I think the answer is no, so until they do they are just another hazard like d*unken pedestrians and stray sheep....best avoided "
thank you for those few ill informed words and hijacking the thread, your excellent contribution as been duly noted and filed in the spherical receptical at the side of my desk. |
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"I never realised how annoying cyclists were until i recently got my own car, they obviously know they are hogging the road, why not signal and wait on the side of the road so the cars waiting for your slow ass can pass and then safely continue your journey again, I'd appreciate that more and you'll be less likely to get ran over, or cause a collision.
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so everytime a bike spots a car, van or lorry etc they must pull over to let them pass before carrying on with their journey, mork calling orson come in orson what planet are you on  what about horses on the road should they do the same or these invadility carts |
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"Oh dear,it never takes long does it?
Road Tax doesn't exist, it hasn't existed since 1937 & VED is a tax on emmissions not to pay for road maintenance. In fact, VED contributes about 2.4% of the total cost of UK roads, it doesn't even cover the pollution/healthcare costs associated with emissions.
UK roads are funded via Council Tax & general taxation.
There are over 2 million vehicles on the roads that legally do not pay VED.
Cycles have Statutory Right to the roads after a court case in 1879 ruled cycles were legally carriages and could use the full width of the highway. This was enshrined in the Road Traffic Act of 1888 & every update since, the UK also ratified the Vienna Convention on Road Access in 1968 that gives the same rights.
Two abreast is legal & is often the safest and correct posture to take. If you cannot overtake using the opposite lane as per The Highway Code rule 163 then you wait til your way is clear, its quite simple.
It is a taught posture along with the Primary (middle of lane) and Secondary (first 3rd of lane) and is often called vehicular cycling - i.e. protecting yourself by using the lane as a car would.
Right, back to the Lycra!"
correct on every level
amen, praise the lord
thank you and good night
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I have to disagree about number plates and licencing for bicycles. Other than being completely unenforceable is way to complicated as to how it will work. You can't most them, what makes it road legal etc. I build all my bikes from scratch, they are put together way better than the likes of Halfords can usually do, I'm not paying for the privilege of someone to confirm that. While a bike is potentially dangerous is usually the rider so is at most risk, cars have a lot more threat to others. Plus if I'm riding on the road in going to make dam well sure my brakes and steering work, it's going to save my life.
I think that the world would be a better place if motorists were forced to actually ride a bike on the road for a minimum period as part of gaining their licence, it's so impracticable though to bring in it's a joke.
Instead of putting more obstacles in the way of getting people cycling which will put more people off cycling (which in the long term will cost the country more in increased NHS care costs and public transport subsidies.). What needs to happen is positive measures such as better segregation of bikes and motor vehicles. A dedicated cycle network for instance solves the cross user group friction and will cut down the number of accidents as well as increasing the number of cyclists (and hopefully decreasing the number of motorists.). This will pay for itself in reduced NHS costs etc over time.
The shoulder check thing I can see as annoying, seeing as you are supposed to give a cyclist the same suppose as a small car then it's a bit moot. To me it implies you may not provide cyclists enough room when passing them. According to the highway code, you should really be pretty much fully in the next lane over (around 2m space iirc) .
I'm not completely militant about this, I'm comfortable with less (I appreciate it when I get it), lots of people are not though. It's rare that I couldn't rare the roof of a car that is passing, which to me is way too close.
Oh and the bit earlier about riding two abreast, it's advised to do so in certain situations in the highway code too. Usually for safety iirc. |
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"I never realised how annoying cyclists were until i recently got my own car, they obviously know they are hogging the road, why not signal and wait on the side of the road so the cars waiting for your slow ass can pass and then safely continue your journey again, I'd appreciate that more and you'll be less likely to get ran over, or cause a collision.
so everytime a bike spots a car, van or lorry etc they must pull over to let them pass before carrying on with their journey, mork calling orson come in orson what planet are you on what about horses on the road should they do the same or these invadility carts "
See this is what I mean by cyclists being on that high horse, if it's one car then don't bother but if you are actually holding up 3-4 cars and then yes, get to the side. Horses I don't mind, they can't help it, they are animals.... You are not. |
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How long do you get held up for by a cyclist, a minute? Two minutes? It's not as if you're held up for hours. Just exercise some patience and go about your journey once you're past. I recently came upon a team of 16 riding abreast in the road. It took all of an extra three or four minutes to wait for a suitable passing place. Hardly earth shattering delays. Chill out! |
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"How long do you get held up for by a cyclist, a minute? Two minutes? It's not as if you're held up for hours. Just exercise some patience and go about your journey once you're past. I recently came upon a team of 16 riding abreast in the road. It took all of an extra three or four minutes to wait for a suitable passing place. Hardly earth shattering delays. Chill out!"
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"See this is what I mean by cyclists being on that high horse, if it's one car then don't bother but if you are actually holding up 3-4 cars and then yes, get to the side. Horses I don't mind, they can't help it, they are animals.... You are not."
A cyclist had as much right to use the road as any other user. If it's a slow car ahead then you don't expect it to pull over to let you pass do you? I know I don't, I just wait for a passing point and spin like fury....
Cyclists usually adopt primary position (middle of the road) as a measure to counter percieved threat. Such as they don't think it's safe to let someone past - maybe the road is narrowing and there will not be enough room to pass safely, or that a dodgy junction is approaching.
You may also wish to check your definition of animal too. I think it's different to the widely accepted version. |
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I agree with cheekyvimto on everything he's said so far, although I'd also like to add... even though my bike is my main transport for getting too and from work, this is a choice. I own two cars and two motorbikes... All of which I pay "Road Tax" on. I suspect that there are not many cyclists who don't own a car and therefore pay the taxes |
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"How long do you get held up for by a cyclist, a minute? Two minutes? It's not as if you're held up for hours. Just exercise some patience and go about your journey once you're past. I recently came upon a team of 16 riding abreast in the road. It took all of an extra three or four minutes to wait for a suitable passing place. Hardly earth shattering delays. Chill out!
Got shit to do! "
Think that probably says more about your attitude behind the wheel than it does the cyclist who might be holding you up for mere moments. |
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Cyclists usually adopt primary position (middle of the road) as a measure to counter percieved threat. Such as they don't think it's safe to let someone past - maybe the road is narrowing and there will not be enough room to pass safely, or that a dodgy junction is approaching.
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This is actually what the government is advising cyclists to do.
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I might also upset the apple cart here a little. I also have no issue with riding on the pavement or footpaths.
Again is a safety thing, in busy traffic is often impossible to ride up the inside of traffic (plus you are asking for someone to open a car door on you) and often riding down the outside is also quite hazardous. I will choose the pavement then, I am also give way to pedestrians though.
I also find it odd that a lot of pedestrians walking on cycle paths get upset at them having to share with cyclists... But that's a whole different issue.
One thing that really gets me upset though is the nazi cyclists that get aggressive and smug about their 'zero emission' or 'one less car' option. Don't get me wrong, more cyclists is good. It's a fantastically fun transport method, but being self-righteous about it puts more people of it than on to cycling. |
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"I might also upset the apple cart here a little. I also have no issue with riding on the pavement or footpaths.
Again is a safety thing, in busy traffic is often impossible to ride up the inside of traffic (plus you are asking for someone to open a car door on you) and often riding down the outside is also quite hazardous. I will choose the pavement then, I am also give way to pedestrians though.
I also find it odd that a lot of pedestrians walking on cycle paths get upset at them having to share with cyclists... But that's a whole different issue.
One thing that really gets me upset though is the nazi cyclists that get aggressive and smug about their 'zero emission' or 'one less car' option. Don't get me wrong, more cyclists is good. It's a fantastically fun transport method, but being self-righteous about it puts more people of it than on to cycling. "
I always rode on the footpath, and gave way to pedestrians if there were any, I don't see why people don't do that more often, it's much safer, people don't mind you doing it either as long as you smile and be polite about it. |
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"How long do you get held up for by a cyclist, a minute? Two minutes? It's not as if you're held up for hours. Just exercise some patience and go about your journey once you're past. I recently came upon a team of 16 riding abreast in the road. It took all of an extra three or four minutes to wait for a suitable passing place. Hardly earth shattering delays. Chill out!
Got shit to do!
Think that probably says more about your attitude behind the wheel than it does the cyclist who might be holding you up for mere moments.
You said that already... And I replied.  ... Like writing to a wall anyway, have fun in your future of cycling, hope you don't get in much trouble if you do, remember what I said....it's mainly your fault. "
Not according to DoT figures, drivers at sole fault in 72% of cycle/vehicle collisions, shared fault in 20% of collisions & cyclists at sole fault in the remaining 8% of incidents. |
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I don't like using the pavement even when its allowed - unless very early in the morning when its deserted.
Cycles & pedestrians don't mix IMO and as cycles have a legal, Statutory Right to use the roads that's where i prefer to be. An average speed of 18-22mph is much too fast for shared use paths plus they hardly ever take you where you want to go. |
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Personally, I think that riding on the path is fine if you're tootling along at 5 or 6 mph, I wouldn't want to be doing it at over 20mph and don't think that the pedestrians will like it either.
Also, riding on the path is not conducive with a flowing ride, having to stop at junctions and cross the road. Plus my skinny wheels don't take kindly to bumping up and down curbs. |
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"How long do you get held up for by a cyclist, a minute? Two minutes? It's not as if you're held up for hours. Just exercise some patience and go about your journey once you're past. I recently came upon a team of 16 riding abreast in the road. It took all of an extra three or four minutes to wait for a suitable passing place. Hardly earth shattering delays. Chill out!
Got shit to do!
Think that probably says more about your attitude behind the wheel than it does the cyclist who might be holding you up for mere moments.
You said that already... And I replied. ... Like writing to a wall anyway, have fun in your future of cycling, hope you don't get in much trouble if you do, remember what I said....it's mainly your fault.
Not according to DoT figures, drivers at sole fault in 72% of cycle/vehicle collisions, shared fault in 20% of collisions & cyclists at sole fault in the remaining 8% of incidents."
I think people who ride bicycles cannot RIDE a bike, don't have the skills to think fast enough to avoid danger. A bit like some people driving you can drive but you can't DRIVE drive.
If you are gonna be on the road next to vehicles you should learn to properly ride a bike and anticipate hazards, you can't just pick a bike and ride it on the road, I been riding bmx for 7 years semi pro, and been in so many falls due to it, I know how and when to stop quickly and safely...mind you I don't even have brakes but it's taught me how to control what I do on the bike, a lot of cyclists don't have those skills. This country isn't built for cycling, it's a shame but because of this everyone should look out for themselves, after all you are on your own on the road... Now I'm done.
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"Personally, I think that riding on the path is fine if you're tootling along at 5 or 6 mph, I wouldn't want to be doing it at over 20mph and don't think that the pedestrians will like it either.
Also, riding on the path is not conducive with a flowing ride, having to stop at junctions and cross the road. Plus my skinny wheels don't take kindly to bumping up and down curbs. "
I don't think I have ever seen a bike going at 20mph in town...let alone in city peak time traffic. I get it out and about in the country, I don't have a problem with that |
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I don't think I have ever seen a bike going at 20mph in town...let alone in city peak time traffic. I get it out and about in the country, I don't have a problem with that "
Most of my town riding is done at about 20.. I suspect that you're right about the city though, I don't have to deal with city riding. The small town I live in though, traffic isn't too bad most if the time. |
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I don't think I have ever seen a bike going at 20mph in town...let alone in city peak time traffic. I get it out and about in the country, I don't have a problem with that
Most of my town riding is done at about 20.. I suspect that you're right about the city though, I don't have to deal with city riding. The small town I live in though, traffic isn't too bad most if the time."
Yea that's what I meant when i was arguing my point I was picturing heavy flow of traffic and city traffic. Not cyclists riding on normal to no traffic. |
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"I never realised how annoying cyclists were until i recently got my own car, they obviously know they are hogging the road, why not signal and wait on the side of the road so the cars waiting for your slow ass can pass and then safely continue your journey again, I'd appreciate that more and you'll be less likely to get ran over, or cause a collision.
so everytime a bike spots a car, van or lorry etc they must pull over to let them pass before carrying on with their journey, mork calling orson come in orson what planet are you on what about horses on the road should they do the same or these invadility carts
See this is what I mean by cyclists being on that high horse, if it's one car then don't bother but if you are actually holding up 3-4 cars and then yes, get to the side. Horses I don't mind, they can't help it, they are animals.... You are not."
we are all animals my friend yet some have the capacity to learn better than others, its not the fault of the cyclists that certain drivers are unable to circumvent them safely, the issue lies fairly and squarely at the feet of the car, bus, van driver etc.
As for being on a high horse i am able to comment as i have been driving a car for over 25 years and on top of that i have been riding a bike far longer on highways, i think drivers will become more considerate to cyclists when they try cycling first instead spouting jeremy clarkson type drivel and perhaps then it may be a safer place to be whether your in a car or on a bike.
And now back to the original.question i do wear lycra and its not a pretty site |
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"I don't like using the pavement even when its allowed - unless very early in the morning when its deserted.
Cycles & pedestrians don't mix IMO and as cycles have a legal, Statutory Right to use the roads that's where i prefer to be. An average speed of 18-22mph is much too fast for shared use paths plus they hardly ever take you where you want to go."
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"What happened to the original question? Lol
It got hijacked by people who don't like cyclists. .."
As always happens. It's a shame that a decent thread is derailed by tgectired ild road tax and shouldn't be on the road arguments.
Anyway OP lycra up, it's cool! |
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"I never realised how annoying cyclists were until i recently got my own car, they obviously know they are hogging the road, why not signal and wait on the side of the road so the cars waiting for your slow ass can pass and then safely continue your journey again, I'd appreciate that more and you'll be less likely to get ran over, or cause a collision.
so everytime a bike spots a car, van or lorry etc they must pull over to let them pass before carrying on with their journey, mork calling orson come in orson what planet are you on what about horses on the road should they do the same or these invadility carts
See this is what I mean by cyclists being on that high horse, if it's one car then don't bother but if you are actually holding up 3-4 cars and then yes, get to the side. Horses I don't mind, they can't help it, they are animals.... You are not."
In my experience horse riders do usually stop and get over to the side of the road when there is a que of traffic behind them, cyclists on the other hand usually just carry on pedalling away oblivious to the hold up they are causing. |
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"I doubt very much that they are oblivious...
I'm usually very aware of traffic behind me. "
If you are aware then why not move over and let the que of traffic past?
If you are saying that you deliberately hold up ques of traffic that would annoy car and lorry drivers even more. |
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"I doubt very much that they are oblivious...
I'm usually very aware of traffic behind me.
If you are aware then why not move over and let the que of traffic past?
If you are saying that you deliberately hold up ques of traffic that would annoy car and lorry drivers even more."
Because its often not safe to do so. If there is oncoming traffic, if there is a traffic island ahead, if there are parked cars ahead then its unsafe to pass.
Ive just had a complete idiot in a land rover & towing a horse box come close to wiping me out tonight, he overtook into the face of an oncoming bus, causing the bus to slam to a halt & just missing me. This was on a flat, straight bit of road with good sight lines, instead of driving to the rules he put everyone around him in danger because of his frantic 'need' to get past me.
THAT is why we take the lane. |
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"I dont ride a bike much but I wouldm be seen dead in lycra but each to there own
Why do men wear it jogging though ? "
Think it keeps them warmer by trapping the air |
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"I dont ride a bike much but I wouldm be seen dead in lycra but each to there own
Why do men wear it jogging though ? Think it keeps them warmer by trapping the air "
Same reason why women wear it for running, it moves with the body, doesn't chafe and wicks sweat away quickly.
There is a reason why track athletes etc all use it. |
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"If you are aware then why not move over and let the que of traffic past?
If you are saying that you deliberately hold up ques of traffic that would annoy car and lorry drivers even more."
Playing Devils advocate a bit; I have the same rights to be on the road as another user so why should I stop? There are after all overtaking procedures that take into account slower road users. If you have Ferrari sitting on your rear bumper while driving in town, so you pull over and stop to let him past or do you just drive normally knowing that he will overtake when he had a safe opportunity? After all be can probably accelerate past you in a second or two.
I equally get slowed down by cyclists regularly (both on my bike and when driving). I wait for a safe opportunity to pass on either situation.
As I highlighted above in an earlier post is usually a response to a perceived threat. Such as a dodgy junction that cars are likely to cause issues for cyclists. A common one for me is traffic in the next lane that reduces the space for overtaking, rather than leave a space that is just about wide enough to get a car through and potentially clip me when pushing past, I'll effectively close the door by riding out further in the road. It's safe for everyone, would you rather be delayed for a minute or have manslaughter on your hands?
It's a skill taught in advanced motorcycle skills and also listed in the highway code as a legitimate tactic/practise. |
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"If you are aware then why not move over and let the que of traffic past?
If you are saying that you deliberately hold up ques of traffic that would annoy car and lorry drivers even more.
Playing Devils advocate a bit; I have the same rights to be on the road as another user so why should I stop? There are after all overtaking procedures that take into account slower road users. If you have Ferrari sitting on your rear bumper while driving in town, so you pull over and stop to let him past or do you just drive normally knowing that he will overtake when he had a safe opportunity? After all be can probably accelerate past you in a second or two.
I equally get slowed down by cyclists regularly (both on my bike and when driving). I wait for a safe opportunity to pass on either situation.
As I highlighted above in an earlier post is usually a response to a perceived threat. Such as a dodgy junction that cars are likely to cause issues for cyclists. A common one for me is traffic in the next lane that reduces the space for overtaking, rather than leave a space that is just about wide enough to get a car through and potentially clip me when pushing past, I'll effectively close the door by riding out further in the road. It's safe for everyone, would you rather be delayed for a minute or have manslaughter on your hands?
It's a skill taught in advanced motorcycle skills and also listed in the highway code as a legitimate tactic/practise."
I did say in my post "que of traffic" which would suggest more than one car. I would consider a que of traffic to mean 3 or 4 or even more cars and not the one ferrari you used as an example in your post. As i said horse riders from my experience move over to the side of the road to let ques of traffic past if they are causing a tailback, but cyclists for the most part carry on regardless. I'm not talking about approaching roundabouts, junctions or in difficult conditions either as some have suggested, but as with horse riders on open country roads where it is perfectly safe for a cyclist to move over to the side of the road they often refuse to do it. It's as if they enjoy frustrating other road users and get some kind of weird kick out of it? |
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I have never ever seen a horse rider pull over for anyone, and they ride there horses 2 a breast round these parts,
If everyone just helped each other out the world would be so much better, I was out cycling the other day up a quite county road which was quite narrow, car behind me, he slowed down because it was a bad road as I went round a blind bend I could see there was nothing coming so I waived him by me he gave me a toot and a waive, the world working as one simple |
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OK so my Ferrari example is not quite the same but I think it illustrates my point so let's make it a luxury sorts car club on a Sunday drive. How about now?
Also round town, there are usually several cars behind me and yes they will reach the lights ahead of me. I will reach the lights before they turn green. Should I pull over then. Using your logic then I'd never get to move anywhere. What I do is ride down the middle of the road to stop people trying to push past. Else if i pull over, normally what happens is that several cars push past nearly clipping me in the process, then the 20th yards ahead of me they come to a stop and pull right over to the kerb blocking my path. I'm then forced into some awkward maneuvering to go round the outside of some and up the inside of others. The net effect is that I'm the one who is slowed down.
What I think you must accept is that cyclists have as much right to ride on the road as any other road user. Two abreast and middle of the road riding are endorsed by the highway code as safe practises. They don't actually have to pull over and make space, motorists have to wait for a safe opportunity to pass (as they would a normal car).
I agree, there will always be tool that really didn't yield and space when is safe to do so, but then tools are found in all walks of life, not just on bikes.
I think that you will find that most cyclists are considerate and will act like liddy28, waving people past when clear. I do consider other road and trail users and do my best to help everyone get along.
There is a good short article on my cyclists ride like they do on a motoring site. Search for- why do cyclists ride in the middle of the road - and it should be your first hit.
If you are that upset at being slowed down a little by the odd cycle then maybe you should get a bike or travel by train. |
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"OK so my Ferrari example is not quite the same but I think it illustrates my point so let's make it a luxury sorts car club on a Sunday drive. How about now?
Also round town, there are usually several cars behind me and yes they will reach the lights ahead of me. I will reach the lights before they turn green. Should I pull over then. Using your logic then I'd never get to move anywhere. What I do is ride down the middle of the road to stop people trying to push past. Else if i pull over, normally what happens is that several cars push past nearly clipping me in the process, then the 20th yards ahead of me they come to a stop and pull right over to the kerb blocking my path. I'm then forced into some awkward maneuvering to go round the outside of some and up the inside of others. The net effect is that I'm the one who is slowed down.
What I think you must accept is that cyclists have as much right to ride on the road as any other road user. Two abreast and middle of the road riding are endorsed by the highway code as safe practises. They don't actually have to pull over and make space, motorists have to wait for a safe opportunity to pass (as they would a normal car).
I agree, there will always be tool that really didn't yield and space when is safe to do so, but then tools are found in all walks of life, not just on bikes.
I think that you will find that most cyclists are considerate and will act like liddy28, waving people past when clear. I do consider other road and trail users and do my best to help everyone get along.
There is a good short article on my cyclists ride like they do on a motoring site. Search for- why do cyclists ride in the middle of the road - and it should be your first hit.
If you are that upset at being slowed down a little by the odd cycle then maybe you should get a bike or travel by train. "
I do have a bike,.....a mountain bike and i ride it on the pavement so not to cause an obstruction to cars, lorries and motorcycles. When there is a pedestrian i stop until they walk past or if pavement is wide enough give them plenty of space. I have passed my cycling proficiency test so i know how to ride a cycle on the road, but i personally choose not to do it, and no i have never worn Lycra on a bike either, lol. |
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"OK so my Ferrari example is not quite the same but I think it illustrates my point so let's make it a luxury sorts car club on a Sunday drive. How about now?
Also round town, there are usually several cars behind me and yes they will reach the lights ahead of me. I will reach the lights before they turn green. Should I pull over then. Using your logic then I'd never get to move anywhere. What I do is ride down the middle of the road to stop people trying to push past. Else if i pull over, normally what happens is that several cars push past nearly clipping me in the process, then the 20th yards ahead of me they come to a stop and pull right over to the kerb blocking my path. I'm then forced into some awkward maneuvering to go round the outside of some and up the inside of others. The net effect is that I'm the one who is slowed down.
What I think you must accept is that cyclists have as much right to ride on the road as any other road user. Two abreast and middle of the road riding are endorsed by the highway code as safe practises. They don't actually have to pull over and make space, motorists have to wait for a safe opportunity to pass (as they would a normal car).
I agree, there will always be tool that really didn't yield and space when is safe to do so, but then tools are found in all walks of life, not just on bikes.
I think that you will find that most cyclists are considerate and will act like liddy28, waving people past when clear. I do consider other road and trail users and do my best to help everyone get along.
There is a good short article on my cyclists ride like they do on a motoring site. Search for- why do cyclists ride in the middle of the road - and it should be your first hit.
If you are that upset at being slowed down a little by the odd cycle then maybe you should get a bike or travel by train.
I do have a bike,.....a mountain bike and i ride it on the pavement so not to cause an obstruction to cars, lorries and motorcycles. When there is a pedestrian i stop until they walk past or if pavement is wide enough give them plenty of space. I have passed my cycling proficiency test so i know how to ride a cycle on the road, but i personally choose not to do it, and no i have never worn Lycra on a bike either, lol."
Why do you feel tgat it is ok to disregard the law and ride on the pavement? |
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Plus, the cycling proficiency test is extremely outmoded & is now considered dangerous. It has been superceded by the Bikeability programme, approved by govt & delivered by local authority approved organisations.
A lot of what the proficiency test taught is now completely at odds with current training.
I have helped deliver Bikeability in a volunteer programme. |
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"OK so my Ferrari example is not quite the same but I think it illustrates my point so let's make it a luxury sorts car club on a Sunday drive. How about now?
Also round town, there are usually several cars behind me and yes they will reach the lights ahead of me. I will reach the lights before they turn green. Should I pull over then. Using your logic then I'd never get to move anywhere. What I do is ride down the middle of the road to stop people trying to push past. Else if i pull over, normally what happens is that several cars push past nearly clipping me in the process, then the 20th yards ahead of me they come to a stop and pull right over to the kerb blocking my path. I'm then forced into some awkward maneuvering to go round the outside of some and up the inside of others. The net effect is that I'm the one who is slowed down.
What I think you must accept is that cyclists have as much right to ride on the road as any other road user. Two abreast and middle of the road riding are endorsed by the highway code as safe practises. They don't actually have to pull over and make space, motorists have to wait for a safe opportunity to pass (as they would a normal car).
I agree, there will always be tool that really didn't yield and space when is safe to do so, but then tools are found in all walks of life, not just on bikes.
I think that you will find that most cyclists are considerate and will act like liddy28, waving people past when clear. I do consider other road and trail users and do my best to help everyone get along.
There is a good short article on my cyclists ride like they do on a motoring site. Search for- why do cyclists ride in the middle of the road - and it should be your first hit.
If you are that upset at being slowed down a little by the odd cycle then maybe you should get a bike or travel by train.
I do have a bike,.....a mountain bike and i ride it on the pavement so not to cause an obstruction to cars, lorries and motorcycles. When there is a pedestrian i stop until they walk past or if pavement is wide enough give them plenty of space. I have passed my cycling proficiency test so i know how to ride a cycle on the road, but i personally choose not to do it, and no i have never worn Lycra on a bike either, lol.
Why do you feel that it is ok to disregard the law and ride on the pavement? "
This already came up earlier in the thread, someone else already said they ride their BMX on the pavement i find it funny you never asked the question to them when they made the point?
Anyhow, been riding on the pavement plenty of times when police cars have driven past, not once did any of them stop and arrest me, did'nt even get so much as a warning or a telling off, if you ride a bike on the pavement you may as well be invisible to the police because it is something they don't enforce. Most police won't even bat an eyelid at someone riding a bike on the pavement. If you think everyone on a cycle should ride on the road as opposed to pavement, there would be a lot more accidents and deaths (its safer to ride on the pavement, maybe thats why the police don't object to anyone doing it). Would you also have all these young kids riding their bmx's and such on the road instead of the pavement when they are less aware of road safety?
But if you had your way i guess there would be a lot more maimed and badly injured kids if they were forced to ride bike on the road instead of the pavement?
Do you also think everyone sticks to the speed limits on the motorways and obeys the law to the letter?
You must be pretty naive if you think that. |
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Cycles and pedestrian don't mix - unless you are the sort of cyclist who is unable to ride at more than 5mph. Ask pedestrians if they are happy to share the footway (clue is in the name) with cyclists, bet you get a different response.
The simple fact is that cycles belong on the road, they are legally vehicles with a Statutory Right to the public highway.
I love how people want cyclists to obey the rules (even when people don't know those rules) but are then happy to see them break the rules so long as they are on the pavement.
In reality this translates as "I'm too lazy/ignorant/stupid/poor a driver/busy with my phone/impatient/self important/arrogant (pick one or more) to bother overtaking in a safe and legal manner so I'll demand cyclists obey spurious BS 'laws' whilst ignoring laws designed to keep people safe".
News flash - unless you have blue lights and sirens your journey is NOT more important than another persons safety.
A cyclist employing his legal right to use the roads doesn't 'force' you to make a dangerous manoeuvre, that's down to you. |
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"Cycles and pedestrian don't mix - unless you are the sort of cyclist who is unable to ride at more than 5mph. Ask pedestrians if they are happy to share the footway (clue is in the name) with cyclists, bet you get a different response.
The simple fact is that cycles belong on the road, they are legally vehicles with a Statutory Right to the public highway.
I love how people want cyclists to obey the rules (even when people don't know those rules) but are then happy to see them break the rules so long as they are on the pavement.
In reality this translates as "I'm too lazy/ignorant/stupid/poor a driver/busy with my phone/impatient/self important/arrogant (pick one or more) to bother overtaking in a safe and legal manner so I'll demand cyclists obey spurious BS 'laws' whilst ignoring laws designed to keep people safe".
News flash - unless you have blue lights and sirens your journey is NOT more important than another persons safety.
A cyclist employing his legal right to use the roads doesn't 'force' you to make a dangerous manoeuvre, that's down to you."
Correction....all cycles do NOT belong on the road. BMX's and mountain bikes are classed as cycles and they do not belong on the road. Road racers with thin tyres yes, but BMX's and mountain bikes no. I find your argument that it is somehow safer to ride on the road than on the pavement laughable really. Fact is its safer for a cyclist to be on the pavement than it is for them to be on the road. A cyclist collision with a car or lorry on the road is likely to result in serious injury or even death. A cyclist collision with a pedestrian on the pavement (or footway as you call it) is more likely to result in minor injury and the chances of death would be extremely remote to say the least. |
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"OK so my Ferrari example is not quite the same but I think it illustrates my point so let's make it a luxury sorts car club on a Sunday drive. How about now?
Also round town, there are usually several cars behind me and yes they will reach the lights ahead of me. I will reach the lights before they turn green. Should I pull over then. Using your logic then I'd never get to move anywhere. What I do is ride down the middle of the road to stop people trying to push past. Else if i pull over, normally what happens is that several cars push past nearly clipping me in the process, then the 20th yards ahead of me they come to a stop and pull right over to the kerb blocking my path. I'm then forced into some awkward maneuvering to go round the outside of some and up the inside of others. The net effect is that I'm the one who is slowed down.
What I think you must accept is that cyclists have as much right to ride on the road as any other road user. Two abreast and middle of the road riding are endorsed by the highway code as safe practises. They don't actually have to pull over and make space, motorists have to wait for a safe opportunity to pass (as they would a normal car).
I agree, there will always be tool that really didn't yield and space when is safe to do so, but then tools are found in all walks of life, not just on bikes.
I think that you will find that most cyclists are considerate and will act like liddy28, waving people past when clear. I do consider other road and trail users and do my best to help everyone get along.
There is a good short article on my cyclists ride like they do on a motoring site. Search for- why do cyclists ride in the middle of the road - and it should be your first hit.
If you are that upset at being slowed down a little by the odd cycle then maybe you should get a bike or travel by train.
I do have a bike,.....a mountain bike and i ride it on the pavement so not to cause an obstruction to cars, lorries and motorcycles. When there is a pedestrian i stop until they walk past or if pavement is wide enough give them plenty of space. I have passed my cycling proficiency test so i know how to ride a cycle on the road, but i personally choose not to do it, and no i have never worn Lycra on a bike either, lol.
Why do you feel tgat it is ok to disregard the law and ride on the pavement? "
Wished i had told that community support officer who i saw riding his mountain bike on the pavement the other day while on duty that he really should have arrested himself for breaking the law. |
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Correction....all cycles do NOT belong on the road. BMX's and mountain bikes are classed as cycles and they do not belong on the road. Road racers with thin tyres yes, but BMX's and mountain bikes no. I find your argument that it is somehow safer to ride on the road than on the pavement laughable really. Fact is its safer for a cyclist to be on the pavement than it is for them to be on the road. A cyclist collision with a car or lorry on the road is likely to result in serious injury or even death. A cyclist collision with a pedestrian on the pavement (or footway as you call it) is more likely to result in minor injury and the chances of death would be extremely remote to say the least."
The highway code simply states do not cycle on the pavement. That will include bmx's and mountain bikes. Regardless of where they apparently belong.
While I agree to some degree that it may be safer (for the cyclist - not for a pedestrian, you'd be surprised how much damage 100kg of point bits traveling at 10mph can do) at times to ride on the pavement (I do this when I feel the road is pretty dangerous)..... It's really all about risk assessment. Most of the time the risk is perfectly acceptable.
If you are that averse to risk, maybe you should stop swinging, you never know what you might catch.
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